Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Andrea Del Bene]

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Tonhäuser 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just started using Wicket recently and I quite like what I've seen so
> far. To me, it is superior to JSF because it let's you spend more time
> writing nice Java code instead of scratching your head whether the correct
> hmtl attribute is "render" or "reRender".
>
> I do think Wicket has a marketing issue, too. When I asked 20 software
> developers on a local software conference, only one had heard about Wicket.
> And he thought, it was defunct.
>
> Are there any introductory presentations (Englisch / German) one can use to
> help spread the word about Wicket?
>

Few years ago I did a presentation (in English) for a crash course. You can
download it here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e41qr6mwsnsabkh/Presentazione%20Wicket.odp?dl=0

It shows just the minimal concepts of the framework and it doesn't cover
the AJAX support, but it might help as a starting point for a more rich
presentation.


>
> Best
>
> Matthias
>

RE: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Chris Colman]

Recently I mentioned Wicket to a product manager - and his reply indicated that 
he thought Wicket was for UI's but was actually a different programming 
language! I quickly pointed out that it's the SAME language as they've used 
forever - Java! And that's the point! You can build your domain model, business 
layer and UI - all in the same, awesome, typesafe, high performance language 
yet still make your UI rock as much as any Angular JS UI (without the 
productivity and maintenance hits that come with using JavaScript)
 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthias Tonhäuser [mailto:scaronthe...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 5:42 AM
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket 8 GA for production
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just started using Wicket recently and I quite like what I've seen so
> far. To me, it is superior to JSF because it let's you spend more time
> writing nice Java code instead of scratching your head whether the correct
> hmtl attribute is "render" or "reRender".
> 
> I do think Wicket has a marketing issue, too. When I asked 20 software
> developers on a local software conference, only one had heard about
> Wicket.
> And he thought, it was defunct.
> 
> Are there any introductory presentations (Englisch / German) one can use
> to
> help spread the word about Wicket?
> 
> Best
> 
> Matthias

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Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Matthias Tonhäuser]

Hi,

I just started using Wicket recently and I quite like what I've seen so
far. To me, it is superior to JSF because it let's you spend more time
writing nice Java code instead of scratching your head whether the correct
hmtl attribute is "render" or "reRender".

I do think Wicket has a marketing issue, too. When I asked 20 software
developers on a local software conference, only one had heard about Wicket.
And he thought, it was defunct.

Are there any introductory presentations (Englisch / German) one can use to
help spread the word about Wicket?

Best

Matthias

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Lon Varscsak]

I agree with this wholeheartedly…I was just having this discussion with my
boss yesterday.  I do not understand (mostly) this drive to push stateless
frameworks (client or server).  Obviously your framework needs to support
stateless as to not waste resources, but almost every application I write
is complex enough that without servers side state, I’d spend more time
trying to figure out how to store state.

It’s one of the things I loved about Apple’s WebObjects and one of the
reasons I’ve moved to Wicket over other more “popular” java frameworks.

-Lon

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Andrea Del Bene 
wrote:

> Obviously I 101% agree :-). In addition to security issue I usually have to
> struggle against the "big lie" of modern front-end libs which is "if you
> follow us your application can be stateless". Non-trivial applications are
> never stateless. If you have some sort of login mechanism you application
> must handle a state somewhere! I've always seen these "modern" js
> applications suffering of performance issues because they have
> unconsciously  moved state to database and they end up over-stressing it
> because they want the application level to be "stateless". That's pure
> madness to me!

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Andrea Del Bene]

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:

> Andrea,
>
> We would be happy to help with:
> 1) Translation of any articles/slides to russian and posting that on famous
> russian IT resources. If you have any articles even right now which worst
> to be translated: please send them to me.
>
2) A long with articles about Orienteer we can after switch to Wicket 8
> write some "lesson learned" about Wicket
>

It would be great! If you have some time to spare, you can pick one of my
published article to translate it: https://dzone.com/users/
748823/bitstorm.html


3) Performance: OMG, wickets performance is unbelievable. One company tried
> to test performance of our application (which powered by Wicket): finally
> they encountered into application server connection pool size, but response
> time was almost the same (around 15% less). Test was on 350 concurrent
> users with requests every second. That was amazing:)  30-70ms per page. So,
> I deviated: we have in mind to write article just about wicket performance.
>
>
Me and Martin (and maybe someone else?) have contributed to TechEmpower
Framework Benchmarks (http://frameworkbenchmarks.readthedocs.io/en/latest/)
to improve Wicket code and performance. They have recently closed my PR (
https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/pull/2929) which should
bring a notable improvement.


> More ideas:
> 1) T-Shirts. Just make design and allow people to order from printing
> company. Key point here: quality of the T-shirt.
> 2) Hackathons. If it will be nearby: will be happy to participate and help
> with sponsors.
> 3) More "Try-Me" demo sites. In era of Docker you can build even gallery of
> different open source apps which use wicket and make it available
> on-demand.
>
4) More articles with comparison: Wicket vs Vaadin, Backend or
> Frontend/Wicket vs Angular JS, vs JSF, Tapestry, Spring, etc.
>
> Guys, wicket has one extremely cool feature, which nobody else have: for
> 80% of needed technical features you can use either Wicket OOB or some
> library from the ecosystem, but (!!!) if you need something from the
> remaining 20% - wicket allow to do that for you! You can go as deep as you
> want/need: need to rearrange dynamically HTML elements? - no problem! Need
> to replace your textarea by some cool IDE on JavaScript? - easy! Need to
> receive client side errors and log them on server side? -  Just a little
> bit more of code:)
>
> One more observation: modern front-end libs are repeating some parts of
> wicket architecture/concept. You can find it in Angular, Vue, React and
> etc. But all frontend libs has big disadvantage which can not be fixed:
> security. It's impossible to enforce security just be frontend lib, you
> have to go to backend for that.
>

Obviously I 101% agree :-). In addition to security issue I usually have to
struggle against the "big lie" of modern front-end libs which is "if you
follow us your application can be stateless". Non-trivial applications are
never stateless. If you have some sort of login mechanism you application
must handle a state somewhere! I've always seen these "modern" js
applications suffering of performance issues because they have
unconsciously  moved state to database and they end up over-stressing it
because they want the application level to be "stateless". That's pure
madness to me!


>
> Thanks,
> Ilia
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Andrea Del Bene 
> wrote:
>
> > > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that.
> I'm
> > > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > > marketing difficulties?
> > > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> >
> > Unfortunately we have no marketing department :-). At the moment there's
> no
> > "Wicket company" that can do some kind of advertising. What I will
> > certainly do for Wicket 8 is publishing an article at dzone.com. I try
> to
> > write as many Wicket-related articles as possible on this site.
> > If you have any suggestion or advice they are warmly welcome!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all for your answers!
> > > >
> > > > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
> > > source
> > > > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for
> resolving
> > > of
> > > > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> > > > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> > > > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing
> in
> > > > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> > > > Maxim, you wrote about using of 

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Илья Нарыжный]

Andrea,

We would be happy to help with:
1) Translation of any articles/slides to russian and posting that on famous
russian IT resources. If you have any articles even right now which worst
to be translated: please send them to me.
2) A long with articles about Orienteer we can after switch to Wicket 8
write some "lesson learned" about Wicket
3) Performance: OMG, wickets performance is unbelievable. One company tried
to test performance of our application (which powered by Wicket): finally
they encountered into application server connection pool size, but response
time was almost the same (around 15% less). Test was on 350 concurrent
users with requests every second. That was amazing:)  30-70ms per page. So,
I deviated: we have in mind to write article just about wicket performance.

More ideas:
1) T-Shirts. Just make design and allow people to order from printing
company. Key point here: quality of the T-shirt.
2) Hackathons. If it will be nearby: will be happy to participate and help
with sponsors.
3) More "Try-Me" demo sites. In era of Docker you can build even gallery of
different open source apps which use wicket and make it available on-demand.
4) More articles with comparison: Wicket vs Vaadin, Backend or
Frontend/Wicket vs Angular JS, vs JSF, Tapestry, Spring, etc.

Guys, wicket has one extremely cool feature, which nobody else have: for
80% of needed technical features you can use either Wicket OOB or some
library from the ecosystem, but (!!!) if you need something from the
remaining 20% - wicket allow to do that for you! You can go as deep as you
want/need: need to rearrange dynamically HTML elements? - no problem! Need
to replace your textarea by some cool IDE on JavaScript? - easy! Need to
receive client side errors and log them on server side? -  Just a little
bit more of code:)

One more observation: modern front-end libs are repeating some parts of
wicket architecture/concept. You can find it in Angular, Vue, React and
etc. But all frontend libs has big disadvantage which can not be fixed:
security. It's impossible to enforce security just be frontend lib, you
have to go to backend for that.

Thanks,
Ilia

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Andrea Del Bene 
wrote:

> > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > marketing difficulties?
> > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > spreading this web-framework across the World.
>
> Unfortunately we have no marketing department :-). At the moment there's no
> "Wicket company" that can do some kind of advertising. What I will
> certainly do for Wicket 8 is publishing an article at dzone.com. I try to
> write as many Wicket-related articles as possible on this site.
> If you have any suggestion or advice they are warmly welcome!
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> >
> > > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your answers!
> > >
> > > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
> > source
> > > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving
> > of
> > > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> > > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> > > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> > > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> > > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some
> open
> > > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
> > >
> > > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that.
> I'm
> > > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > > marketing difficulties?
> > >
> >
> > There was more marketing in the early years of Wicket.
> > Lately web developers prefer to use REST server with JS frontend. Some
> devs
> > love Wicket so much so they use WicketStuff-Rest-Annotations project [1]
> > for the backend :-)
> > But actually Wicket is used by many companies! Maybe 80% of the tweets by
> > https://twitter.com/apache_wicket are "Company XYZ use Apache Wicket for
> > ..."
> >
> >
> > > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> > >
> > >
> > 1.
> > https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/tree/master/
> > wicketstuff-restannotations-parent
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ilia
> > >
> > > -
> > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > > Platform
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> 

RE: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Chris Colman]

I also believe Wicket could really benefit from marketing.

Some real world experiences/comparisons could be useful to add to any marketing 
efforts:

After working on Wicket projects since 2008 in a recent contract I had to use 
Angular JS in a project - OMG!!! It was as painful as pulling teeth and whereas 
with Wicket I can drive all the fancy Web 2, partial updates in pure Java in 
Angular JS I had to continually switch between elegant, compilable, typesafe 
Java and the web's version of "machine language" - JavaScript.

Angular JS is 'model/view' based. Listening to any Angular JS evangelist you 
would think they've single handedly discovered the concept of a 'model/view' 
approach to UI architecture - i.e. the approach Wicket has had since 2004!

So in most Angular JS projects with a Java back end you end up duplicating your 
model - once in Java (required so you can persist in an ORM) and then again in 
JavaScript so your model objects can be viewed/edited in the UI - an 
frustrating duplication exercise which is always a total waste of effort and a 
massive productivity and maintenance hit compared to Wicket where you only need 
to create a single POJO model in Java and use simply wrap those in IModel impls 
to have them work with your UI code.

A lot of developers act like "sheeple" and just use new technologies because 
they think that it must be good because it's "new".

I don't think it would be that hard to explain to intelligent developers the 
benefits of Wicket over other frameworks.

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Del Bene [mailto:an.delb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 8:57 PM
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket 8 GA for production
> 
> > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that.
> I'm
> > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > marketing difficulties?
> > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> 
> Unfortunately we have no marketing department :-). At the moment there's
> no
> "Wicket company" that can do some kind of advertising. What I will
> certainly do for Wicket 8 is publishing an article at dzone.com. I try to
> write as many Wicket-related articles as possible on this site.
> If you have any suggestion or advice they are warmly welcome!
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Martin Grigorov <mgrigo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный <phan...@ydn.ru> wrote:
> >
> > > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your answers!
> > >
> > > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
> > source
> > > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for
> resolving
> > of
> > > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> > > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> > > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> > > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> > > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some
> open
> > > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
> > >
> > > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that.
> I'm
> > > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > > marketing difficulties?
> > >
> >
> > There was more marketing in the early years of Wicket.
> > Lately web developers prefer to use REST server with JS frontend. Some
> devs
> > love Wicket so much so they use WicketStuff-Rest-Annotations project [1]
> > for the backend :-)
> > But actually Wicket is used by many companies! Maybe 80% of the tweets
> by
> > https://twitter.com/apache_wicket are "Company XYZ use Apache Wicket for
> > ..."
> >
> >
> > > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> > >
> > >
> > 1.
> > https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/tree/master/
> > wicketstuff-restannotations-parent
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ilia
> > >
> > > -
> > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > > Platform
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 A

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Andrea Del Bene]

> And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> marketing difficulties?
> I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> spreading this web-framework across the World.

Unfortunately we have no marketing department :-). At the moment there's no
"Wicket company" that can do some kind of advertising. What I will
certainly do for Wicket 8 is publishing an article at dzone.com. I try to
write as many Wicket-related articles as possible on this site.
If you have any suggestion or advice they are warmly welcome!


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Martin Grigorov 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
>
> > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
> >
> > Thank you all for your answers!
> >
> > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
> source
> > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving
> of
> > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
> > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
> >
> > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > marketing difficulties?
> >
>
> There was more marketing in the early years of Wicket.
> Lately web developers prefer to use REST server with JS frontend. Some devs
> love Wicket so much so they use WicketStuff-Rest-Annotations project [1]
> for the backend :-)
> But actually Wicket is used by many companies! Maybe 80% of the tweets by
> https://twitter.com/apache_wicket are "Company XYZ use Apache Wicket for
> ..."
>
>
> > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> >
> >
> 1.
> https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/tree/master/
> wicketstuff-restannotations-parent
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Ilia
> >
> > -
> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > Platform
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Wicket developers,
> > > >
> > > > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> > > > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> > > > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> > > > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from
> > version
> > > 7?
> > > > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> > > > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
> > > >
> > > > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> > > > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more
> > convenient
> > > > to
> > > > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our
> platform
> > to
> > > > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
> > > (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ilia
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > > > Platform
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Martin Grigorov]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:

> Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
>
> Thank you all for your answers!
>
> GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8 source
> level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving of
> which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
> source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
>
> And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> marketing difficulties?
>

There was more marketing in the early years of Wicket.
Lately web developers prefer to use REST server with JS frontend. Some devs
love Wicket so much so they use WicketStuff-Rest-Annotations project [1]
for the backend :-)
But actually Wicket is used by many companies! Maybe 80% of the tweets by
https://twitter.com/apache_wicket are "Company XYZ use Apache Wicket for
..."


> I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> spreading this web-framework across the World.
>
>
1.
https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/tree/master/wicketstuff-restannotations-parent


> Thanks,
> Ilia
>
> -
> Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> Platform
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Wicket developers,
> > >
> > > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> > > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> > > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> > > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from
> version
> > 7?
> > > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> > > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
> > >
> > > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> > > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more
> convenient
> > > to
> > > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform
> to
> > > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
> > >
> >
> > You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
> > (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ilia
> > >
> > > -
> > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > > Platform
> > >
> >
>

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Maxim Solodovnik]

Thanks a lot for reporting this!
I have no idea why ".." was used will investigate and fix ASAP :(
(this code was recently rewritten to bypass RedirectToUrl limitations
...)

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Peter Henderson
 wrote:
> FYI
>
> I've just clicked on the demo link. (https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
> )
>
> Using the Google button to sign on produced an error.
>
> *400.* That’s an error.
>
> *Error: invalid_request*
>
> Invalid parameter value for redirect_uri: Directory backtracking is not
> allowed: https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/../signin?oauthid=2
>
>
>
> On 10 October 2017 at 03:44, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:
>
>> Hello Ilia,
>>
>> I believe wicket 7 and 8 are fully feature compatible, my migration
>> from 7 to 8 was flawless :)
>> WICKET-6105 introducing API break (wicket-datetime module is dropped),
>> wicket-datetime in its current state is available at wicketstuff
>>
>> Our project is opensource :) openmeetings.apache.org :)))
>> demo is available here: https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
>> It has free registration you can check it :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
>> > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
>> >
>> > Thank you all for your answers!
>> >
>> > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
>> source
>> > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving
>> of
>> > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
>> > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
>> > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
>> > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
>> > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
>> > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
>> >
>> > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
>> > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
>> > marketing difficulties?
>> > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
>> > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
>> > spreading this web-framework across the World.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ilia
>> >
>> > -
>> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
>> Platform
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Wicket developers,
>> >> >
>> >> > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
>> >> > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
>> >> > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
>> >> > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from
>> version
>> >> 7?
>> >> > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
>> >> > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
>> >> >
>> >> > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
>> >> > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more
>> convenient
>> >> > to
>> >> > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our
>> platform to
>> >> > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
>> >> (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Ilia
>> >> >
>> >> > -
>> >> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
>> >> > Platform
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Peter Henderson]

FYI

I've just clicked on the demo link. (https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
)

Using the Google button to sign on produced an error.

*400.* That’s an error.

*Error: invalid_request*

Invalid parameter value for redirect_uri: Directory backtracking is not
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On 10 October 2017 at 03:44, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello Ilia,
>
> I believe wicket 7 and 8 are fully feature compatible, my migration
> from 7 to 8 was flawless :)
> WICKET-6105 introducing API break (wicket-datetime module is dropped),
> wicket-datetime in its current state is available at wicketstuff
>
> Our project is opensource :) openmeetings.apache.org :)))
> demo is available here: https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
> It has free registration you can check it :)
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> > Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
> >
> > Thank you all for your answers!
> >
> > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8
> source
> > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving
> of
> > which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> > Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
> > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
> >
> > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> > quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> > marketing difficulties?
> > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> > spreading this web-framework across the World.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ilia
> >
> > -
> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> Platform
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Wicket developers,
> >> >
> >> > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> >> > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> >> > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> >> > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from
> version
> >> 7?
> >> > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> >> > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
> >> >
> >> > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> >> > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more
> convenient
> >> > to
> >> > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our
> platform to
> >> > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
> >> >
> >>
> >> You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
> >>
> >> I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
> >> (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Ilia
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> >> > Platform
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Maxim Solodovnik]

Hello Ilia,

I believe wicket 7 and 8 are fully feature compatible, my migration
from 7 to 8 was flawless :)
WICKET-6105 introducing API break (wicket-datetime module is dropped),
wicket-datetime in its current state is available at wicketstuff

Our project is opensource :) openmeetings.apache.org :)))
demo is available here: https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
It has free registration you can check it :)


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> Martin, Andrea, Maxim,
>
> Thank you all for your answers!
>
> GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8 source
> level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving of
> which we need to invest some good amount of time.
> Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
> features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
> Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
> Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
> source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)
>
> And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
> quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
> marketing difficulties?
> I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
> marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
> spreading this web-framework across the World.
>
> Thanks,
> Ilia
>
> -
> Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application Platform
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Wicket developers,
>> >
>> > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
>> > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
>> > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
>> > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version
>> 7?
>> > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
>> > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
>> >
>> > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
>> > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient
>> > to
>> > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
>> > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
>> >
>>
>> You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
>> (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ilia
>> >
>> > -
>> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
>> > Platform
>> >
>>



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Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Илья Нарыжный]

Martin, Andrea, Maxim,

Thank you all for your answers!

GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8 source
level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for resolving of
which we need to invest some good amount of time.
Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by
features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in
Wicket  which is present in Wicket 7?
Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some open
source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:)

And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. I'm
quite surprised  that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some
marketing difficulties?
I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some
marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in
spreading this web-framework across the World.

Thanks,
Ilia

-
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On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
>
> > Dear Wicket developers,
> >
> > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> > release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version
> 7?
> > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
> >
> > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient
> > to
> > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
> > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
> >
>
> You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.
>
> I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
> (RxJava2 + Wicket)!
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ilia
> >
> > -
> > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> > Platform
> >
>

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Martin Grigorov]

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:

> Dear Wicket developers,
>
> Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version 7?
> 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
>
> A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient
> to
> use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
> Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
>

You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this.

I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous rendering
(RxJava2 + Wicket)!


>
> Thanks,
> Ilia
>
> -
> Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application
> Platform
>

Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Andrea Del Bene]

Hello Ilia,

You can find some more information on the current Wicket 8 status here: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46340987/how-stable-is-wicket-8-what-is-supposed-timeline
We have been focused on solving a quite big task about removing Joda time from 
Wicket 8. The issue is in its review stage, so we might be able to produce M8 
this week. As Maxim said this should be the last milestone before GA version, 
at least we don't plan to do any other notable change to the current 8.x API.


2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version 7?

I'm afraid I didn't completely get this question. Could you elaborate it?

On 09/10/2017 09:09, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:

Hello Ilia,

we are using 8.0M* releases in production, everything seems to work as
expected :))
8.0.0 seems to be stable. I don't mind to update code base according
to API changes.
In case this is blocker for you you have to wait until 8.0.0 will be
released and API will be finalized.

Hopefully M8 will be the last "M" release :)

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:

Dear Wicket developers,

Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
release which is not a candidate and etc.)
2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version 7?
3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?

A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient to
use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)

Thanks,
Ilia

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Re: Wicket 8 GA for production

[Maxim Solodovnik]

Hello Ilia,

we are using 8.0M* releases in production, everything seems to work as
expected :))
8.0.0 seems to be stable. I don't mind to update code base according
to API changes.
In case this is blocker for you you have to wait until 8.0.0 will be
released and API will be finalized.

Hopefully M8 will be the last "M" release :)

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный  wrote:
> Dear Wicket developers,
>
> Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
> 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
> release which is not a candidate and etc.)
> 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version 7?
> 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
> production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?
>
> A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
> application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient to
> use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
> Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)
>
> Thanks,
> Ilia
>
> -
> Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application Platform



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Wicket 8 GA for production

[Илья Нарыжный]

Dear Wicket developers,

Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status?
1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first official
release which is not a candidate and etc.)
2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from version 7?
3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on
production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait?

A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our
application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more convenient to
use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our platform to
Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:)

Thanks,
Ilia

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