Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
FWIW, my video FINALLY finished processing and now shows up at http://profile.myspace.com/dstraughan ...but I can't find a way to embed it in my test page. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, my video FINALLY finished processing and now shows up at http://profile.myspace.com/dstraughan ...but I can't find a way to embed it in my test page. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) Yes, I figured out two formats that worked to upload: 1) Sorenson for quicktime movie and 2) Flash 7 flv. 3ivx encoding failed. I'll try more formats later. I have one film up that was loaded as Flash 7 flv . And * figured out how to change the color scheme. I'm at: http://www.myspace.com/cinegage . :), Enric -===- http://www.cirne.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Myspace won't go away tomorrow, but the site is still aprimarily a social means of keeping in touch and identity...as the main users of this site (16-24)grow out of this stage I can't see themsticking with it. All my group of friends are on it - we're about 26-32 - about 20 of us. Most of us are filmmakers, musicians, or some sort of artists. The musicians swear by it, the filmmakers are either fascinated or disgusted by it, and the rest of the people like to collect friends like pogs and talk trash about each other. We all used friendster for a while and then got bored of it - this is slightly different because it has such a critical mass of users and is now a cultural phenomenon. If you aren't on it, you are seen as missing an opportunity. Like I said, we're all professional artists so are used to selling ourselves and aren't concerned about issues of personal celebrity and all that. ---Brett Gaylorhttp://www.etherworks.cahttp://www.homelessnation.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
On 3/3/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/errortypes. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff isimportant to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere. Let us know what finally succeeds. I'll see if I have any luck with some other format.Personally, I want to get some traffic out of MySpace as payback for all the MySpace kiddies who hotlink photos from my site so I get lots of spurious traffic from them. I've had to add image from beginningwithi.com to a bunch of my photos, though I doubt any of the kiddies will ever go look at the originating site. Some of the photos have been used in very strange ways - one took a photo of my daughter and her horse and claimed (seriously or not?) that it was his horse that had died. ??? -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
maybe i'll create a myspace profile and its purpose is strictly to be a teasera lead-in to where I transmit. With either a single video, a single audio, a single picture or flash animation 1 media element, cryptic, luring suck them in to see what I am up to. Riptide that myspace style USE IT and BENEFIT on YOUR TERMS! hmm, big bold font'n is fun, daddyo. :)sull On 3/3/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/3/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/errortypes. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff isimportant to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere. Let us know what finally succeeds. I'll see if I have any luck with some other format.Personally, I want to get some traffic out of MySpace as payback for all the MySpace kiddies who hotlink photos from my site so I get lots of spurious traffic from them. I've had to add image from beginningwithi.com to a bunch of my photos, though I doubt any of the kiddies will ever go look at the originating site. Some of the photos have been used in very strange ways - one took a photo of my daughter and her horse and claimed (seriously or not?) that it was his horse that had died. ??? -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Peter Van Dijck wrote: is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years ago. (Well, when I'm not working for the man.) Which is either something to be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Which was kinda my point from my orginal post that was somewhat taken out of contextit is young now but will it still be in 5 years...I keep saying this but it seems to get drowned out.I mean bands, comedians, and now filmmakers are putting there stuff out in myspace to build buzz, promote feedback and to try thinngs out.wouldn't vlogging just be an extension of that? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Van Dijck wrote: is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years ago. (Well, when I'm not working for the man.) Which is either something to be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I actually have been sitting this convo out... but because there have
been so many emails with myspace in the subject dropped in my inbox
over the past few days, I thought i'd contribute...
I can't think of one example that has had this type of integrated
environment and lasted... geocities, aol? Being recent college grad
('03) I saw the fall of Friendster. I saw people stop using AIM when
they moved out of college, I saw a ton of people use Skype last year,
and not so much anymore. I see now people in college using Facebook
instead of Friendster and Myspace... these things inevitably get
replaced. Myspace won't go away tomorrow, but the site is still a
primarily a social means of keeping in touch and identity...as the
main users of this site (16-24)grow out of this stage I can't see them
sticking with it.
I don't think it matters what type of environment Myspace is. What
the experience is, what the upload process is, what the content
ownership terms are. The fact remains that today Myspace has a
ridiculous amount of traffic, and for bloggers seeking visibility,
from the sounds of it, tools, user experiences, peer environment and
content rights are willing to be exchanged for visibility and traffic.
Until Myspace goes out of style if it ever does, people will be
attracted to it for the sheer page views that they drive. They don't
have to do any of the aforementioned things because they are the big
dogs.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, hpbatman7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which was kinda my point from my orginal post that was somewhat taken
out of contextit is young now but will it still be in 5
years...I keep saying this but it seems to get drowned out.I
mean bands, comedians, and now filmmakers are putting there stuff out
in myspace to build buzz, promote feedback and to try thinngs
out.wouldn't vlogging just be an extension of that?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl raster@
wrote:
Peter Van Dijck wrote:
is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue
to
use it after High School and College?
I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
wearing those clothes in 10 years.
I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years
ago.
(Well, when I'm not working for the man.) Which is either
something to
be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which.
Pete
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities? dOn 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different thanuploading to the filmmaker section.i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I use Firefox on Windows, so I don't think it's a Mac thing. On 3/2/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities? -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
this doesnt sound very productive. you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though. i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get. their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere. sullOn 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Firefox on Windows, so I don't think it's a Mac thing. On 3/2/06, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities? -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
On 3/2/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this doesnt sound very productive. you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though. i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get. their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere. I'm trying, in the interests of fairness, to add it to my test page, but have pretty much lost patience - if it's this hard, the average beginning videoblogger isn't going to do it.That's also true of Ourmedia, BTW - I have yet to successfully upload a video there, either. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I just jumped in! The water is fine. I uploaded a short video and now it is processing. Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just jumped in! The water is fine. I uploaded a short video and now it is processing. Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Really? This Britney Spears music video from MTV presented by britneyspearsnow.com looks pretty good to me, not great, but good: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=537376237n=2 http://tinyurl.com/emnky On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
That's also true of Ourmedia, BTW - I have yet to successfully upload a video there, either. Indeed. New efforts have begun (for what its worth ;-)On 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this doesnt sound very productive. you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though. i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get. their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere. I'm trying, in the interests of fairness, to add it to my test page, but have pretty much lost patience - if it's this hard, the average beginning videoblogger isn't going to do it. That's also true of Ourmedia, BTW - I have yet to successfully upload a video there, either. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
It's slow. Some videos took 12 minutes, others took hours to transcode Thank GOODNESS our transcoders are fast! ;-) ER ericrice.com | audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just jumped in! The water is fine. I uploaded a short video and now it is processing. Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Yes, I've had the same problem. I sent webmail to customer service on this two days ago, and haven't received a response yet. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still processing. On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps something like this would help ;-o http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382 seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on http://vids.myspace.com there is a huge audience there, yes? On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote: I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that number I got 6 hits to my site. Go figure. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r robert.videoblogging@ wrote: was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for vloggers: http://vids.myspace.com -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
please please eric.. tell us what format you uploaded in? my 1 min video had been 'processing' for about 2 days now on the filmmakers site, and another 1min film has been processing for about 7 hrs, i'm guessing there is a problem.. i uploaded as quicktime with Mpeg 4 video and mpeg4 audio? be welld-- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Naw, I'm on a PC and have the same problem. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities? d On 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different than uploading to the filmmaker section. i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile. The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Then again, who knows how much video they're trying to process. If they're literally getting millions of video uploads per day, then i'd imagine their encoding queue is pretty backed up. Not to mention they may have to screen uploads to make sure the content isn't infringing. That takes a lot of time too. -josh On 3/2/06, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's slow. Some videos took 12 minutes, others took hours to transcode Thank GOODNESS our transcoders are fast! ;-) ER ericrice.com | audioblog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just jumped in! The water is fine. I uploaded a short video and now it is processing. Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com My most recent post: VLOG SOUP: Episode 12 http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/2006/03/vlog_soup_episo.html You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Alternative reply address: stephen.garfield [AT] comcast.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
and mp3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good a vinyl on a linn. but guess what. On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
LOL, Sull. As I'm sure you realise, the question is an intellectual one. Think as an economists for a minute, there may be behaviour to be understood over at myspace. The question is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit a videoblogger / videoblogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: this doesnt sound very productive. you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-) good luck though. i'll still be interested in your results. robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get. their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. Depends what you want. For a lot of things that may not matter... for me as a viewer I'm not really all that hung up on quality -- I'm always more interested in immediacy (content almost always trumps image quality for me). Especially if you're talking about user created content. You're not likely going to get high quality footage on the input, so why try for it on the ouptut... compress the hell out of it too. If you are going to serve to a large audience then heavy duty compression is probably necessary. But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers through an experience that is entirely their own. They have great image quality (and getting better), and have always produced their content in a way that promotes their brand without being forced to promote other brands in the process. That is creative control even if they are syndicating the video, allowing free downloads with no DRM. When I look through the eyes of a creator, the most important thing to me is freedom and I'm not sure how much of that I see in MySpace, YouTube, or many other similar sites... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and mp3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good a vinyl on a linn. but guess what. On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the host is encoding my video into Flash. And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible. -josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Also, its strange that you took out most of the relevant lines of my previous message in your response. Maybe you should backtrack and read it again... the parts specifically about creative control. -josh On 3/2/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
creative control. how so? On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Also, its strange that you took out most of the relevant lines of my previous message in your response. Maybe you should backtrack and read it again... the parts specifically about creative control. -josh On 3/2/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Let's see if we can begin to figure it out. I thinks there are several questions. 1) What do videobloggers want most? 2) What does videoblogging need most? The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest. Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes? Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually examine, alternative arenas. Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers? On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ *> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say: Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers? The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace who probably don't care about such things. -josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see if we can begin to figure it out. I thinks there are several questions. 1) What do videobloggers want most? 2) What does videoblogging need most? The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest. Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes? Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually examine, alternative arenas. Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers? On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Yes, this is not an easy question Josh ;-) The focus on benefits to vloggers / vlogging is deliberate, here, let's maintain focus and see if there is something to be gained. Nailing down a specific or two would be ideal. These video hosting services becoming communities (i.e., youtube) and communities becoming video hosting services (i.e., myspace) and service behemoths becoming video hosts and brokers (i.e., google) perhaps should be part of videobloggers' strategy. Of course, not all videobloggers want a strategy and I respect that and they'll have no interest in this thread. However those who would like to expand their audience or earn from their efforts might benefit from any of your good ideas. On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say: Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers? The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace who probably don't care about such things. -josh
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
i talked a bit about myspace in a previous thread herei used a metaphor that myspace was like NYC and the blogosphere was like the rest of NY. if you dont venture into the city, you wont have as many connections to the connected to the culture, to the noise and chaos. If you hang out outside the city, more likely people will discover you based on your persistant efforts and quality but you can do much less of that and JUST be found by accidental persusings... people may check you out, move on. maybe someone interesting will connect with you. maybe not. is it good for vloggers/vlogging?think of it as casting a worm on a hook out into the water. maybe you'll catch something good. maybe nothing, maybe an old boot. the nice thing is, you can sit back and relax while that hook and worm is out their. you dont need to be active on myspace to potentially benefit from the user base. that is, if your looking for the people connection side of it. what about technically... the service. is that good and beneficial to vloggers? e. minimally, it is. but since i think their are better services from a technical perspective, i would not recommend myspace for its tech services. sullOn 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.I thinks there are several questions.1) What do videobloggers want most?2) What does videoblogging need most?The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest.Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over atmyspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as videoproduction / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easierto meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes?Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged theservice providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectuallyexamine, alternative arenas.Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool tohear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer anybenefit to vlogging / vloggers?On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links-- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
sure, if a vlogger wants the audience of many opposed to few then they should actively list in all directories, setup profiles all over, regularly ping blog trackers and so on and so on. On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is not an easy question Josh ;-)The focus on benefits to vloggers / vlogging is deliberate, here, let'smaintain focus and see if there is something to be gained.Nailing down a specific or two would be ideal. These video hosting services becoming communities (i.e., youtube) andcommunities becoming video hosting services (i.e., myspace) and servicebehemoths becoming video hosts and brokers (i.e., google) perhaps should be part of videobloggers' strategy.Of course, not all videobloggers want a strategy and I respect that andthey'll have no interest in this thread. However those who would liketo expand their audience or earn from their efforts might benefit from any of your good ideas.On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say: Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers? The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace who probably don't care about such things. -josh-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I went on and tried it weeks ago, with a iPod style h.264/aac mp4. It sat processing for about a week, and then said processing failed. please try again.' An exhaustive search for help/technical info was fruitless. I gave up. But perhaps regular mp4 works. joly The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I think by the very nature of how big myspace is would help vlogging I mean I think vlogging is about expressing yourself, and who is to say what is right or wrong about your expression (within reason of course)some of my vlogs are just about my everyday life and some are creative outlets. So am I a vlogger or an artist promoting his work? And could myspace allow me to do both? Honestly, I don't know but just based on the amount of conversation this has been generating I would have to say yes. But who really knows? Myspace may be forgetten in a year by the next big thing. It's an interesting question and debate and one I suspect that will be ongoing for a while --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
Just for the record, I have tried myspace and I find it all very cringeworthy. There i no way to add video to your blogs there, its just text and pics and as for the film thing, you have to log in right so I do, then it takes me to my home page and hey where is the films.I think I prefer Blogger for my blog, Blip for my Videos and Dailymotion for the flash. Call me an old stick in the mud, but if we really have to turn to this side of internet to market our wears and to get to an audience, I would rather stay with a more mature audience. It is 80% teens and early twenties, the olds that frequent this site may be interesting but it's not worth searching thru the all of the members to find a needle in a haystack.No, I don't think I'll be using this, unless someone else can prove to me how worthwhile it is.PaulOn 2 Mar 2006, at 23:31, hpbatman7 wrote: I think by the very nature of how "big" myspace is would help vlogging I mean I think vlogging is about expressing yourself, and who is to say what is right or wrong about your _expression_ (within reason of course)some of my vlogs are just about my everyday life and some are creative outlets. So am I a vlogger or an "artist" promoting his work? And "could" myspace allow me to do both? Honestly, I don't know but just based on the amount of conversation this has been generating I would have to say yes. But who really knows? Myspace may be forgetten in a year by the next big thing. It's an interesting question and debate and one I suspect that will be ongoing for a while --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging.What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.:-)-Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets asubstantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and returnvisits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much aboutcreative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I like your metaphor here and I do think it has merit, vlogging is still pretty new as well and who knows where it will lead but as others have said if you are looking at increasing your audience Myspace can not be ignored. However, I do think that the age group is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? Don't forget that this service is still pretty new in the big scheme of things, it could evlove into something vastly different than it is today. But again who knows and I do think we need to be open to various ideas and ways to blog,vlog or whatever. http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i talked a bit about myspace in a previous thread here i used a metaphor that myspace was like NYC and the blogosphere was like the rest of NY. if you dont venture into the city, you wont have as many connections to the connected to the culture, to the noise and chaos. If you hang out outside the city, more likely people will discover you based on your persistant efforts and quality but you can do much less of that and JUST be found by accidental persusings... people may check you out, move on. maybe someone interesting will connect with you. maybe not. is it good for vloggers/vlogging? think of it as casting a worm on a hook out into the water. maybe you'll catch something good. maybe nothing, maybe an old boot. the nice thing is, you can sit back and relax while that hook and worm is out their. you dont need to be active on myspace to potentially benefit from the user base. that is, if your looking for the people connection side of it. what about technically... the service. is that good and beneficial to vloggers? e. minimally, it is. but since i think their are better services from a technical perspective, i would not recommend myspace for its tech services. sull On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see if we can begin to figure it out. I thinks there are several questions. 1) What do videobloggers want most? 2) What does videoblogging need most? The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest. Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes? Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually examine, alternative arenas. Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers? On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging? Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. :-) -Josh On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit vloggers / vlogging. On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. ... But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... ... Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about creative control or their own freedom. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity. That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 years, but today's teens won't. Unless the site radically changes... Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. Now Facebook on the other hand I can really see that having longevity because your highschool/university classmates end up becoming your professional network too. Facebook may not be as loud as MySpace, but I feel like there's so much more potential there of course there is not yet an emphasis on video and most of the network is closed off if you don't have a .edu email address. Someone recently told me that the difference between MySpace and Facebook (many users have accounts in both social networks) is that MySpace is the avatar me and Facebook is the real me. Identities on MySpace are flexible and ever changing. Identities on Facebook are more tangible and persistent. As graduates move on from college, I'm sure they will be connected to their alumni network through Facebook. MySpace, I'm not so sure about. -Josh On 3/2/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity. That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 years, but today's teens won't. Unless the site radically changes... Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I agree to some degree, I think it depends on if Myspace evloves or not, in it's current form you will outgrow it...but if grows and becomes a true social networking site then who knows..personaly I doubt it will evlove but.. I can't speak to Facebook but personaly I would like to have a site where you feel apart of a bigger community. I have a cirle of friends here where I live but when I go to shows (Comic Conventions, Wizard World, Dragon Con) I connect with a whole other sect of people who are into the same things I am and it's fun. I mean heck that is one of the reasons I am vlogging, to hopefully meet other people who like the same things I do.. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. Now Facebook on the other hand I can really see that having longevity because your highschool/university classmates end up becoming your professional network too. Facebook may not be as loud as MySpace, but I feel like there's so much more potential there of course there is not yet an emphasis on video and most of the network is closed off if you don't have a .edu email address. Someone recently told me that the difference between MySpace and Facebook (many users have accounts in both social networks) is that MySpace is the avatar me and Facebook is the real me. Identities on MySpace are flexible and ever changing. Identities on Facebook are more tangible and persistent. As graduates move on from college, I'm sure they will be connected to their alumni network through Facebook. MySpace, I'm not so sure about. -Josh On 3/2/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to use it after High School and College? I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still wearing those clothes in 10 years. Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity. That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 years, but today's teens won't. Unless the site radically changes... Peter -- http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
The format was an export from Quicktime Pro from a regular .mov to MPEG-4... now to be fair, there was no audio track, but I'd think it might take mpeg4 since AAC seemed to fail. There are two other videos that I posted at the same time (like nearly 36 hours ago) that are stuck on 'processing...' Audioblog.com it ain't. ;-) /shameless and snide plug In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/error types. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff is important to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere. ER Feel free to add me: myspace.com/ericrice ericrice.com :: audioblog.com (new name son!) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please please eric.. tell us what format you uploaded in? my 1 min video had been 'processing' for about 2 days now on the filmmakers site, and another 1min film has been processing for about 7 hrs, i'm guessing there is a problem.. i uploaded as quicktime with Mpeg 4 video and mpeg4 audio? be well d -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers? I'm not a vlogfather but I'll wax the awesome science anyway. :-P MySpace has a huge place for our podcast and part of it's video + live + on the streets efforts... Three podcasts are populated from our communities on MySpace and with a signup of some 200,000 users a day (Head of Fox Online spoke at a conference tonight), it's really an untapped audience that is growing up with new media--- we hope to entertain and we hope to teach people. On the other hand, my circle of friends are on ericrice.com, but that's prolly cuz I'm 9 years above the top end of the MySpace demographic. But my personal stuff lives where my personal side lives. For the MySpace crowd, it IS their personal space, and I'm wondering if ultimately if nomenclature or technology matters. Cuz they are posting and watching. Kinda like what we do with videoblogs. Kinda like what we do with video podcasts. Funny, it's not 'videoblogging' but golly, it's certainly 'making media' of the longest tail'd variety. ER ericrice.com :: audioblog.com :: myspace.com/ericrice :: spinmartin.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that number I got 6 hits to my site. Go figure. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for vloggers: http://vids.myspace.com -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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6/1000 ...that's about the avg click thru rate on a 468x60 banner...!On 3/1/06, Conrad Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that number I got 6 hits to my site. Go figure. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for vloggers: http://vids.myspace.com -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
perhaps something like this would help ;-o http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382 seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on http://vids.myspace.com there is a huge audience there, yes? On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote: I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that number I got 6 hits to my site. Go figure. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for vloggers: http://vids.myspace.com -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still processing.On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps something like this would help;-ohttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on http://vids.myspace.comthere is a huge audience there, yes?On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote: I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that number I got 6 hits to my site. Go figure. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for vloggers: http://vids.myspace.com -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different than uploading to the filmmaker section. i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile. On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still processing. On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382> seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on http://vids.myspace.com> there is a huge audience there, yes? On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote: > I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. > I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section. > Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of > trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer > my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile. > > Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that > number I got 6 hits to my site. > > Go figure. > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for >> vloggers: >> >> http://vids.myspace.com > >> >> >> -- >> cheers >> r >> >> Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively >> >> mon vlog: http://r.24x7.com >> hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links *> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ *> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different thanuploading to the filmmaker section.i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a processing message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video processing twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing... -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
