Re: [videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
You are a genius! I have a stereo sony mic and tried that. I think it's gonna work (better at least). I'll also try to pick up a 2 mono imputs-to-stereo plug converter, too. THANK YOU On 2/18/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From that video you made, it looks like you're using a mono mic. The specs of the camera say that it has a stereo input. If that's the case, the number of rings on the end of your mic is going to be different from the number of rings on the plug that goes into the camera. Basically, you want both to be the same, one way or the other. Try going to Radio Shack and getting a really cheap (or actually, maybe just asking them to use it to see if it works with your camera, like Jan suggested) mixer that accepts mono inputs but outputs stereo. Plug the adapter plug all the way in and have that connect to the stereo mixer and have that attach to your mic. That solves two problems. 1) Going from mono to stereo and 2) if it's still too loud, you can use the mixer to lower the volume to an acceptable level. This might not be practical on the go, but if you're staying in one place or using a tripod, this could work for you. An added benefit of using a mixer is that you would be able to plug in as many mics as the mixer allows. You could mic yoursef and someone else and have your input go left and their input go right, so while you're taping, you have two clean signals instead of having to pass a mic back and forth. Another application could be to have one side attached to a mic set up to pick up natural sound from the background and the other side pick up your mic. That way, you could mix the sound however you want when you get to editing. My miniDV camera has a stereo input also. The difference is that it also has a headphone jack. When I plug a mono mic into my camera, I only hear the audio on one channel. The other channel is just static, because it's not receiving any input. That doesn't matter, because coming through a mono mic, I'm only going to receive a mono signal, so I only need one channel to come through. I can tell on the headphones that I'm getting what I need, so it's a wrap. They DO sell stereo mics, though, so either try your camera with the adapter all the way in and connected to a stereo mic, or use a mixer to convert the mono signal into a dual-mono signal that the camera can pick up properly on both channels. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting. The included adaptor has 2 bandsmaybe I can find a mono adapter and see if that works. the included 2.5mm - 3.5mm adaptor cable: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/394257604_63f4841808.jpg and short video of me talking with the plug pulled out a little: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v252405ZxWjZ6RJ -halcyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
You're welcome. :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are a genius! I have a stereo sony mic and tried that. I think it's gonna work (better at least). I'll also try to pick up a 2 mono imputs-to-stereo plug converter, too. THANK YOU On 2/18/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From that video you made, it looks like you're using a mono mic. The specs of the camera say that it has a stereo input. If that's the case, the number of rings on the end of your mic is going to be different from the number of rings on the plug that goes into the camera. Basically, you want both to be the same, one way or the other. Try going to Radio Shack and getting a really cheap (or actually, maybe just asking them to use it to see if it works with your camera, like Jan suggested) mixer that accepts mono inputs but outputs stereo. Plug the adapter plug all the way in and have that connect to the stereo mixer and have that attach to your mic. That solves two problems. 1) Going from mono to stereo and 2) if it's still too loud, you can use the mixer to lower the volume to an acceptable level. This might not be practical on the go, but if you're staying in one place or using a tripod, this could work for you. An added benefit of using a mixer is that you would be able to plug in as many mics as the mixer allows. You could mic yoursef and someone else and have your input go left and their input go right, so while you're taping, you have two clean signals instead of having to pass a mic back and forth. Another application could be to have one side attached to a mic set up to pick up natural sound from the background and the other side pick up your mic. That way, you could mix the sound however you want when you get to editing. My miniDV camera has a stereo input also. The difference is that it also has a headphone jack. When I plug a mono mic into my camera, I only hear the audio on one channel. The other channel is just static, because it's not receiving any input. That doesn't matter, because coming through a mono mic, I'm only going to receive a mono signal, so I only need one channel to come through. I can tell on the headphones that I'm getting what I need, so it's a wrap. They DO sell stereo mics, though, so either try your camera with the adapter all the way in and connected to a stereo mic, or use a mixer to convert the mono signal into a dual-mono signal that the camera can pick up properly on both channels. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Halcyon halcyon@ wrote: interesting. The included adaptor has 2 bandsmaybe I can find a mono adapter and see if that works. the included 2.5mm - 3.5mm adaptor cable: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/394257604_63f4841808.jpg and short video of me talking with the plug pulled out a little: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v252405ZxWjZ6RJ -halcyon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
no dont use tape use a string.tape will leave sticky stuff every wehre . put a small peice of sting on the jack to do the same thing. wehn you get sick of the micky mouse stuff go and get a propeer addaptor. randy On 2/17/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's actually the solution, which I can't believe that it is... You have to A) wrap an amount of tape around the end of the connector so that you can push the plug all the way in and the tape will restrict the plug from going so far that it becomes a problem, and B) use headphones to check whether you have sound or not and whether it's sratchy. I'm assuming that that camera has a headphone jack. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, so I just went out and tried to record a segment using my new pull out the cord a little technique. And I guess I pulled it out a little too much, making the mic not connected at all (so only the camera mic recorded). An external mic is totally useless if I am never sue if it is connected or not. I'm going to have to send it to Sanyo or return it. Which sucks, because I was enjoying it. meh -h On 2/17/07, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Now if I'm on location I have to dangle the mic connection and hope that it's working!? ugh. Anyway, thanks for all the help and suggestions!! from dvinfo.net: I've discovered what the problem is with the external mike input on my HD1. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
I can go for Randy's solution, since I would personally never do either one (tape or string). Whatever you can use that causes the least mess and gets the job done. The bottom line is that that can't be the solution, or else there should be recalls and free shipping for every single person who bought one to receive a newly created adapter lead supplied with the camera. It makes sense for 3rd-party stuff not to work, but NOT accessories supplied WITH the camera. :/ -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, RANDY MANN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no dont use tape use a string.tape will leave sticky stuff every wehre . put a small peice of sting on the jack to do the same thing. wehn you get sick of the micky mouse stuff go and get a propeer addaptor. randy On 2/17/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's actually the solution, which I can't believe that it is... You have to A) wrap an amount of tape around the end of the connector so that you can push the plug all the way in and the tape will restrict the plug from going so far that it becomes a problem, and B) use headphones to check whether you have sound or not and whether it's sratchy. I'm assuming that that camera has a headphone jack. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Halcyon halcyon@ wrote: okay, so I just went out and tried to record a segment using my new pull out the cord a little technique. And I guess I pulled it out a little too much, making the mic not connected at all (so only the camera mic recorded). An external mic is totally useless if I am never sue if it is connected or not. I'm going to have to send it to Sanyo or return it. Which sucks, because I was enjoying it. meh -h On 2/17/07, Halcyon cockybastard@ wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Now if I'm on location I have to dangle the mic connection and hope that it's working!? ugh. Anyway, thanks for all the help and suggestions!! from dvinfo.net: I've discovered what the problem is with the external mike input on my HD1. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
Hal Take a look at the plug. Is there one or two Bands below the tip? Post the link and any details/links to your mics, cables, and the plug you are using. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Photo-audiojacks.jpg What might be happening is that your camera is stereo but the mini plug is mono. The sleeve is shorting the two channels until you pull it out just past that first section of the sleeve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jack_plug.png Simple solution hopefully is using correct stereo plug. If that doesn't do it, I'd contact Xacti. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
interesting. The included adaptor has 2 bandsmaybe I can find a mono adapter and see if that works. the included 2.5mm - 3.5mm adaptor cable: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/394257604_63f4841808.jpg and short video of me talking with the plug pulled out a little: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v252405ZxWjZ6RJ -halcyon On 2/18/07, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hal Take a look at the plug. Is there one or two Bands below the tip? Post the link and any details/links to your mics, cables, and the plug you are using. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Photo-audiojacks.jpg What might be happening is that your camera is stereo but the mini plug is mono. The sleeve is shorting the two channels until you pull it out just past that first section of the sleeve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jack_plug.png Simple solution hopefully is using correct stereo plug. If that doesn't do it, I'd contact Xacti. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
From that video you made, it looks like you're using a mono mic. The specs of the camera say that it has a stereo input. If that's the case, the number of rings on the end of your mic is going to be different from the number of rings on the plug that goes into the camera. Basically, you want both to be the same, one way or the other. Try going to Radio Shack and getting a really cheap (or actually, maybe just asking them to use it to see if it works with your camera, like Jan suggested) mixer that accepts mono inputs but outputs stereo. Plug the adapter plug all the way in and have that connect to the stereo mixer and have that attach to your mic. That solves two problems. 1) Going from mono to stereo and 2) if it's still too loud, you can use the mixer to lower the volume to an acceptable level. This might not be practical on the go, but if you're staying in one place or using a tripod, this could work for you. An added benefit of using a mixer is that you would be able to plug in as many mics as the mixer allows. You could mic yoursef and someone else and have your input go left and their input go right, so while you're taping, you have two clean signals instead of having to pass a mic back and forth. Another application could be to have one side attached to a mic set up to pick up natural sound from the background and the other side pick up your mic. That way, you could mix the sound however you want when you get to editing. My miniDV camera has a stereo input also. The difference is that it also has a headphone jack. When I plug a mono mic into my camera, I only hear the audio on one channel. The other channel is just static, because it's not receiving any input. That doesn't matter, because coming through a mono mic, I'm only going to receive a mono signal, so I only need one channel to come through. I can tell on the headphones that I'm getting what I need, so it's a wrap. They DO sell stereo mics, though, so either try your camera with the adapter all the way in and connected to a stereo mic, or use a mixer to convert the mono signal into a dual-mono signal that the camera can pick up properly on both channels. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interesting. The included adaptor has 2 bandsmaybe I can find a mono adapter and see if that works. the included 2.5mm - 3.5mm adaptor cable: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/394257604_63f4841808.jpg and short video of me talking with the plug pulled out a little: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v252405ZxWjZ6RJ -halcyon
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
If that is the case and your mic's connectors/plugs are mono http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/Die_Hard_Adapter_Mono_Mini_Klinkenbuchsen_Stereo_Mini_Klinkenstecker.jpg Radio Shack used to have these. I think Mono was Black moulded plastic (stereo mini - 2 mono mini L-R) and the stereo was a red molded plastic. http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=16966 http://secure.netsolhost.com/517570.528225/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODStore_Code=NAOFVProduct_Code=ST35PY2LR35JCategory_Code=CAMSND The adapter does not weigh a pound, more like a ounce. No real added weight to camera. I think you are in LA... http://www.equipmentemporium.com/videoaudio.htm Second to the last: st mini plug to L/R mini jacks $7.50 Y-cable separates stereo mini into left mono mini jack and right mono mini jack. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From that video you made, it looks like you're using a mono mic. The specs of the camera say that it has a stereo input. If that's the case, the number of rings on the end of your mic is going to be different from the number of rings on the plug that goes into the camera. Basically, you want both to be the same, one way or the other. Try going to Radio Shack and getting a really cheap (or actually, maybe just asking them to use it to see if it works with your camera, like Jan suggested) mixer that accepts mono inputs but outputs stereo. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon halcyon@ wrote: interesting. The included adaptor has 2 bandsmaybe I can find a mono adapter and see if that works. the included 2.5mm - 3.5mm adaptor cable: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/394257604_63f4841808.jpg and short video of me talking with the plug pulled out a little: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v252405ZxWjZ6RJ -halcyon
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
My mistake, I left a link out: http://secure.netsolhost.com/517570.528225/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYStore_Code=NAOFVCategory_Code=CAMSND For the future and pre planning for audio on location. A little late when trying to correct problems. Hope it will be of help. http://www.equipmentemporium.com/pre-prod.htm http://secure.netsolhost.com/517570.528225/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODStore_Code=NAOFVProduct_Code=ST35PY2LR35JCategory_Code=CAMSND The adapter does not weigh a pound, more like a ounce. No real added weight to camera. I think you are in LA... http://www.equipmentemporium.com/videoaudio.htm Second to the last: st mini plug to L/R mini jacks $7.50 Y-cable separates stereo mini into left mono mini jack and right mono mini jack.
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
Maybe you could wind some sewing thread around it and/or find s rubber washer that would keep it sitting right in the plug. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Now if I'm on location I have to dangle the mic connection and hope that it's working!? ugh. Anyway, thanks for all the help and suggestions!! from dvinfo.net: I've discovered what the problem is with the external mike input on my HD1. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: sound/mic help? (SOLUTION!)
If that's actually the solution, which I can't believe that it is... You have to A) wrap an amount of tape around the end of the connector so that you can push the plug all the way in and the tape will restrict the plug from going so far that it becomes a problem, and B) use headphones to check whether you have sound or not and whether it's sratchy. I'm assuming that that camera has a headphone jack. -- Bill C. http://ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, so I just went out and tried to record a segment using my new pull out the cord a little technique. And I guess I pulled it out a little too much, making the mic not connected at all (so only the camera mic recorded). An external mic is totally useless if I am never sue if it is connected or not. I'm going to have to send it to Sanyo or return it. Which sucks, because I was enjoying it. meh -h On 2/17/07, Halcyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ohmygoodnesss I found something on dvinfo.net. (below) The hot scratchy sound goes away if I pull the plug out 1/16 of an inch. WTF!? What a crappy solution. Now if I'm on location I have to dangle the mic connection and hope that it's working!? ugh. Anyway, thanks for all the help and suggestions!! from dvinfo.net: I've discovered what the problem is with the external mike input on my HD1. Both the adaptor lead supplied with the camera, and the plastic 2.5/3.5 adaptor I've tried can be pushed too far into the jack socket! If they are plugged fully in, then you get lots of electrical noise: if you pull the jack out about 1/16th inch, where there's a natural, but small detent position, then all the mikes work fine. So it's simply a mechanical design problem with the jack socket used on HD1, certainly on the camera I have and from what others have said, on at least some others as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
