Re: [Videolib] best time of year to contact

[gfedak]

  Print marketing ends up in the trash can. Emails I
  can and do send to faculty to ascertain interest.
   
  Emails should contain a thorough description (not a
  thesis), a link to a 3- to 5-minute preview clip, a
  list of versions (home, PPR, no PPR, streamed,
  etc.), length(s), copyright/publication date,
  price(s) in all their permutations, item/order #,
  awards, vendor's contact information, a link to each
  title's webpage that contains the above, plus a
  means of ordering or placing the item in a cart from
  the title's main page.
   
  The less digging around I have to do to find
  customer-essential information, the better. It's
  nice to have additional information about the
  producer, production process, back stories,
  educational resources, etc., on the website,
  but none of that should obstruct the purchasing
  process.
   
  This is probably more than you wanted, but thanks
  for asking.
  Gail

Gail B. Fedak
Director, Media Resources
Middle Tennessee State University
Murfreesboro, TN  37132
Phone 615-898-2899
Fax  615-898-2530
email gfe...@mtsu.edu


   Original message 

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:18:46 -0700
From: scott petersen 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] best time of year to
contact
To: 

Thanks for the info, everyone.

Are you more likely to buy based upon on postcard
or an email? Is it worth it for me to spend the
extra time and money sending out postcards?

Best,
Scott Petersen

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Bergman, Barbara
J  wrote:

  Pretty much the same.

  During the academic year.  July 1 fiscal year
  start.

  Primarily faculty requests, but I sign off on
  all video purchases so that I know what’s
  getting requested before we end up purchasing 3
  films on the same hot topic.

   

  Emails good. Postcards good. Catalogs okay.

  If you send me info that requires opening an
  envelope, it goes in a box that I’ll get
  around to reading. Eventually.

   

  Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary
  Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University,
  Mankato | (507) 389-5945 |
  barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

   

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  serve as an effective working tool for video
  librarians, as well as a channel of
  communication between libraries,educational
  institutions, and video producers and
  distributors.

> >VIDEOLIB is intended to
encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation,
and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped
that the list will serve as an effective working
tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational
institutions, and video producers and
distributors.
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] best time of year to contact

[scott petersen]

Thanks for the info, everyone.

Are you more likely to buy based upon on postcard or an email? Is it worth
it for me to spend the extra time and money sending out postcards?

Best,
Scott Petersen



On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Bergman, Barbara J <
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu> wrote:

>  Pretty much the same.
>
> During the academic year.  July 1 fiscal year start. 
>
> Primarily faculty requests, but I sign off on all video purchases so that I
> know what’s getting requested before we end up purchasing 3 films on the
> same hot topic.
>
> ** **
>
> Emails good. Postcards good. Catalogs okay.
>
> If you send me info that requires opening an envelope, it goes in a box
> that I’ll get around to reading. Eventually.
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota
> State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu
>
> ** **
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Shoaf,Judith P]

Thanks for the suggestions. I think she already thought about what to 
substitute (a problem because it's the first week of class) but some students 
were still interested in viewing L'Inhumaine, which they can do on their own 
using the instructor's copy.
Prix de Beauté sounds perfect-that may be what she picked.
I am learning a lot by helping out on this one.
Judy

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:12 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

The designer on l'Argent is not an internationally  known name even though her 
dresses are indeed beautiful.  What about Prix de Beauté  (1930) where the 
clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou?

Oksana

At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:

One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that 
fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of 
Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte 
Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. 
You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos 
suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519

--
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
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Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 45, Issue 127

[Deg Farrelly]

There are some segments on the Puritans and the Plymouth in "The Hidden History 
of Boston" from the History Channel.  This is one of the titles in American 
History in Video from Alexander Street Press.

It's also listed on Amazon.

FMG's Films on Demand has "Desperate Crossing:  Untold Story of the Mayflower" 
- another History Channel title, also available on Amazon.

Tho others did not like it for some inaccuracies, I like PBS' "Colonial House" 
which explores the conditions of 1600's living in a "New World" colony.  Worth 
investigating .

--
deg farrelly
Arizona State University
PO Box 871006
Tempe, Arizona  85287-1006
Phone:  480.965.1403
Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu

**



Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony?

Many thanks,

Pat McGee

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Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article

[Gail Fedak]

A library that offers duplication service for faculty can exercise some 
control over how much of the title they own is clipped and used for the 
stated purpose. They can also refuse to provide the service for titles 
brought in by the requestor if legality of the requestor's copy cannot 
be documented.

Gail

On 8/23/2011 12:53 PM, jwoo wrote:

so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use,
that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is
actually doing the research or scholarship?

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:


I agree with the researcher

gary handman




Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common
Sense
of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of
Higher
Education, August 21, 2011.

Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use?  Not
rhetorical, I'm actually wondering.  Thanks - Janice

"A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her
with a
clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's
presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When
the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to
show the work."

http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756



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Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
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and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
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libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



--

Gail B. Fedak

Director, Media Resources

Middle Tennessee State University

Murfreesboro, TN37132

Phone: 615-898-2899

Fax: 615-898-2530

Email: gfe...@mtsu.edu 

Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imr 

"Education is a progressive study of your own ignorance." -- Will Durant

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Re: [Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony

[Mandel, Debra]

Hi-

This may be too elementary:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv&field-keywords=puritan+experience&x=0&y=0

This was a PBS  American Experience, first episode is program on Puritans in 
Mass, as told from Native American perspective.
http://www.amazon.com/We-Shall-Remain-Benjamin-Bratt/dp/B001UW59JO/ref=sr_1_9?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1314129826&sr=1-9


Thee's also the Scarlet letter, different versions. (avoid the Demi Moore one).

Debra

Debra H. Mandel,
Head, Digital Media Design Studio
Northeastern University Libraries
360 Huntington Ave.
200 SL
Boston,  MA 02115
617-373-4902;  617-373-5409-Fax

From: Pat Mcgee mailto:pmc...@tntech.edu>>
Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:40:33 -0400
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: [Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony

Hello all,
Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the 
Massachusetts Bay Colony?
Many thanks,

Pat McGee

Coordinator of Media Services
Volpe Library and Media Center
Tennessee Technological University
Campus Box 5066
Cookeville, TN 38505
931-372-3544

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[Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony

[Pat Mcgee]

Hello all,

Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony?

Many thanks,

 

Pat McGee

 

Coordinator of Media Services

Volpe Library and Media Center

Tennessee Technological University

Campus Box 5066

Cookeville, TN 38505

931-372-3544

 

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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[Dennis Doros]

Gary,

I'm just saying that there have been some outlandishly over-the-top
statements. And I'm willing to back it up... For example,
here
:

10) As a principle of “fair access”, FIAF affiliates declare their right to
engage in the following archive-related activities, without the payment of
fees to outside organizations:

• exhibition on their premises
• loans to other affiliates
• use in their own publications and promotional activities

of the motion pictures and related promotional and other historical
materials in their collections.
Before that, I was there right with them! Note that "fair use" is not an
international term and that other countries are struggling with even the
terminology.

And of course, in real practice, FIAF archives are now even charging *each
other* for the loan of prints, which for seventy years was a sacred no-no
for the organizational members.
-- 
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[ghandman]

"have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the
law allows"

Well, Denis, I was with you until the above statement.  What the law
allows in regard to fair use is, as you know, largely untested in the
courts (and largely not precisely articulated in the law itself).

I know it sounds very Berkelyish, but I've also thought about FU in terms
of common sense and fairness.  FU claims made in support of screening (or
digitizing) whole copyrighted works without permission have always been
perplexing (at least to me).

While I'll go down fighting for broad interpretations and applications of
FU (I DO think media concerns continue to bully the marketplace), I've
also continued to keep in mind the original constitutional intent of the
copyright law, which was to "To promote the Progress of Science and useful
Arts."  Which means that if the content providers we esteem get screwed
over, there may be a hell of a lot less decent content in the future.

Gary



> Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so
> memorable ;-) However, I jest.
>
> The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive
> fair
> use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is
> far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far
> more
> availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So
> I
> always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so
> this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim
> that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and
> even
> that, is something that can be ALMOST  quantified and a report is coming
> out
> this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced
> and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what
> archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the
> good
> ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's
> just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal
> screenings
> of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was
> already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at
> least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat
> Films
> solely on films with borrowed footage.
>
> THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the
> ALA, Society for Cinema & Media Studies and the International Federation
> of
> Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen
> their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out
> statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows.
> The
> fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that
> democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see
> http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same
> with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able
> to
> judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to
> cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed.
> In
> fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library
> needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey
> ,
> but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library
> this
> year.)
>
> So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the
> boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as
> gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
> email: milefi...@gmail.com
> www.milestonefilms.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> www.arayafilm.com
> www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com
> www.killerofsheep.com
> 
> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org
> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
>
> Follow Milestone on Twitter! 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

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--Francois Truffaut


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Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[ghandman]

"have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the
law allows"

Well, Denis, I was with you until the above statement.  What the law
allows in regard to fair use is, as you know, largely untested in the
courts (and largely not precisely articulated in the law itself).

I know it sounds very Berkelyish, but I've also thought about FU in terms
of common sense and fairness.  FU claims made in support of screening (or
digitizing) whole copyrighted works without permission have always been
perplexing (at least to me).

While I'll go down fighting for broad interpretations and  of FU (I DO
think media concerns continue to bully the marketplace), I've also
continued to keep in mind the original constitutional intent of the
copyright law, which was to "To promote the Progress of Science and useful
Arts."  Which means that if the content providers we esteem get screwed
over, there may be a hell of a lot less decent content in the future.

Gary



> Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so
> memorable ;-) However, I jest.
>
> The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive
> fair
> use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is
> far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far
> more
> availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So
> I
> always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so
> this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim
> that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and
> even
> that, is something that can be ALMOST  quantified and a report is coming
> out
> this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced
> and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what
> archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the
> good
> ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's
> just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal
> screenings
> of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was
> already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at
> least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat
> Films
> solely on films with borrowed footage.
>
> THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the
> ALA, Society for Cinema & Media Studies and the International Federation
> of
> Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen
> their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out
> statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows.
> The
> fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that
> democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see
> http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same
> with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able
> to
> judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to
> cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed.
> In
> fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library
> needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey
> ,
> but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library
> this
> year.)
>
> So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the
> boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as
> gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
> email: milefi...@gmail.com
> www.milestonefilms.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> www.arayafilm.com
> www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com
> www.killerofsheep.com
> 
> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org
> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
>
> Follow Milestone on Twitter! 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

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Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article

[Jessica Rosner]

I don't see why not.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, jwoo  wrote:

> so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use,
> that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is
> actually doing the research or scholarship?
>
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
> > I agree with the researcher
> >
> > gary handman
> >
> >
> >
> >> Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common
> >> Sense
> >> of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of
> >> Higher
> >> Education, August 21, 2011.
> >>
> >> Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use?  Not
> >> rhetorical, I'm actually wondering.  Thanks - Janice
> >>
> >> "A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her
> >> with a
> >> clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's
> >> presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When
> >> the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to
> >> show the work."
> >>
> >> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >> acquisition,bibliographic
> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
> >> formats in
> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
> >> serve
> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
> >> channel of
> >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> >> producers and distributors.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Gary Handman
> > Director
> > Media Resources Center
> > Moffitt Library
> > UC Berkeley
> >
> > 510-643-8566
> > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >
> > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> > --Francois Truffaut
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> > distributors.
> >
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Re: [Videolib] Creation of Clips

[Stanton, Kim]

In the example below, the researcher asks the library to provide the clip. To 
do this, the library becomes directly involved with the research's personal 
Fair Use assessment. So, a few questions for the group - 

* Does your library provide a clip creation service? If so, does library staff 
create the clip or is the researcher given access to a multimedia editing 
station to create the clip for themself?  

* If library staff is creating the clip, do you require the researcher to 
somehow "prove" they've done a Fair Use assessment? Do you hang on to any 
documentation? At what point, if any, would you question a researcher's Fair 
Use assessment and reconsider providing the clip creation service? 

* If the researcher is given access to a multimedia editing station to create 
the clip themself, does the library provide a generic copyright guideline 
(similar to those used with photocopy machines) or is library staff more 
directly involved in the copyright aspects of each individual project? 

Thanks,

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article

I agree with the researcher

gary handman


> Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense
> of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher
> Education, August 21, 2011.
>
> Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use?  Not
> rhetorical, I'm actually wondering.  Thanks - Janice
>
> "A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a
> clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's
> presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When
> the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to
> show the work."
>
> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756

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Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article

[jwoo]

so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use,  
that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is  
actually doing the research or scholarship?

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

> I agree with the researcher
>
> gary handman
>
>
>
>> Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common  
>> Sense
>> of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of  
>> Higher
>> Education, August 21, 2011.
>>
>> Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use?  Not
>> rhetorical, I'm actually wondering.  Thanks - Janice
>>
>> "A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her  
>> with a
>> clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's
>> presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When
>> the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to
>> show the work."
>>
>> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756
>>
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,  
>> acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video  
>> formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will  
>> serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a  
>> channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of  
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,  
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current  
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It  
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for  
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between  
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and  
> distributors.
>


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Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[Dennis Doros]

Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so
memorable ;-) However, I jest.

The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive fair
use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is
far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far more
availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So I
always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so
this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim
that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and even
that, is something that can be ALMOST  quantified and a report is coming out
this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced
and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what
archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the good
ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's
just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal screenings
of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was
already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at
least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat Films
solely on films with borrowed footage.

THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the
ALA, Society for Cinema & Media Studies and the International Federation of
Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen
their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out
statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows. The
fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that
democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see
http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same
with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able to
judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to
cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed. In
fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library
needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey ,
but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library this
year.)

So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the
boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as
gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble.

-- 
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
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Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[Jessica Rosner]

Society for Cinema & Media Studies so basically film & media professors.
Ironically many of their wilder claims re "fair use" appear to be gone from
their "best practices" document which previously claimed you could again
tape anything off air and use it forever and you could get a copy from your
friend of shall we say undefined origin. It is now very cleaned up. I do
wonder a bit if that is for public consumption though. Dennis will
undoubtedly remember when I got into a shouting match with well known
academic media person (who is VERY active in various projects media "access"
issues some related to ALA), who did indeed insist one could use anything
off air and copies of films wherever you could find them. Same person who I
have also referred to who told a ALA meeting that one should NOT contact the
rights holder when determining the status of  a work.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Grant, Tyra  wrote:

>  What is ‘SCMS’?
>
> ** **
>
> Tyra Grant
>
> ** **
>
> Digital and electronic media preservation officer
>
> University of Kansas Libraries
>
> tgr...@ku.edu
>
> Phone: 785-864-8951
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:27 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun
> subjects
>
> ** **
>
> I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws
> etc, but the discussion of *L'Inhumaine*
> brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the
> Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without
> any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were
> never registered for  copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not
> properly renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR
> HORSEMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that
> simple. There are many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number
> are cases where a previously PD film is protected by another element of the
> film ( story, music) thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The
> FAR bigger number of previously PD films that are now under copyright are
> tens of thousands of films made outside the US which became covered in 1994
> when the US signed the GATT treaty. I don't want to go over all the details
> but pretty much all those European films from the 20s through the 60s that
> had never been copyright protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now
> are. There are many thousands of VHS copies of  these films out there, some
> produced before GATT went into effect, many produced after. The result of
> GATT has been that many great films are now available in stunning versions
> that no distributor would have invested in had the film been PD, though it
> also has meant many more obscure titles that were around in VHS days are
> probably not coming out here any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95
> years but the date does not start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922
> is PD in the US, no matter where it was made with the exception explained
> below of specific copies.
>
> There is one more fun bit to the above which is a "special contents"
> copyright. This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under
> copyright because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is
> almost always silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker
> Alley etc. copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one
> rather brazen case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are
> by law PD, but added titles to  two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted
> it and sold it.
>
> I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been
> legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of
> libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was
> there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard
> for me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood
> studio is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I
> made that up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and
> some proponents of what I will "free access" are very loose on the
> responsibility of an institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most
> everyone here is careful, but that is not always the case in the academic
> world and claiming "gee I had no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China
> on eBay wasn't legal " is not in my mind remotely plausible.
>
> OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some
> films (must put some stuff on videonews)?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapro

Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[Grant, Tyra]

What is 'SCMS'?

Tyra Grant

Digital and electronic media preservation officer
University of Kansas Libraries
tgr...@ku.edu
Phone: 785-864-8951

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:27 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws 
etc, but the discussion of L'Inhumaine
brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the 
Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without 
any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were never 
registered for  copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not properly 
renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE 
APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that simple. There are 
many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number are cases where a 
previously PD film is protected by another element of the film ( story, music) 
thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The FAR bigger number of 
previously PD films that are now under copyright are tens of thousands of films 
made outside the US which became covered in 1994 when the US signed the GATT 
treaty. I don't want to go over all the details but pretty much all those 
European films from the 20s through the 60s that had never been copyright 
protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now are. There are many 
thousands of VHS copies of  these films out there, some produced before GATT 
went into effect, many produced after. The result of GATT has been that many 
great films are now available in stunning versions that no distributor would 
have invested in had the film been PD, though it also has meant many more 
obscure titles that were around in VHS days are probably not coming out here 
any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95 years but the date does not 
start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922 is PD in the US, no matter 
where it was made with the exception explained below of specific copies.

There is one more fun bit to the above which is a "special contents" copyright. 
This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under copyright 
because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is almost always 
silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker Alley etc. 
copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one rather brazen 
case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are by law PD, but 
added titles to  two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted it and sold it.

I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been 
legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of 
libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was 
there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard for 
me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood studio 
is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I made that 
up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and some proponents 
of what I will "free access" are very loose on the responsibility of an 
institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most everyone here is careful, 
but that is not always the case in the academic world and claiming "gee I had 
no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China on eBay wasn't legal " is not in 
my mind remotely plausible.

OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some films 
(must put some stuff on videonews)?

--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects

[Jessica Rosner]

I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws
etc, but the discussion of *L'Inhumaine*
brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the
Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without
any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were
never registered for  copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not
properly renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR
HORSEMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that
simple. There are many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number
are cases where a previously PD film is protected by another element of the
film ( story, music) thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The
FAR bigger number of previously PD films that are now under copyright are
tens of thousands of films made outside the US which became covered in 1994
when the US signed the GATT treaty. I don't want to go over all the details
but pretty much all those European films from the 20s through the 60s that
had never been copyright protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now
are. There are many thousands of VHS copies of  these films out there, some
produced before GATT went into effect, many produced after. The result of
GATT has been that many great films are now available in stunning versions
that no distributor would have invested in had the film been PD, though it
also has meant many more obscure titles that were around in VHS days are
probably not coming out here any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95
years but the date does not start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922
is PD in the US, no matter where it was made with the exception explained
below of specific copies.

There is one more fun bit to the above which is a "special contents"
copyright. This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under
copyright because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is
almost always silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker
Alley etc. copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one
rather brazen case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are
by law PD, but added titles to  two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted
it and sold it.

I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been
legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of
libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was
there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard
for me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood
studio is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I
made that up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and
some proponents of what I will "free access" are very loose on the
responsibility of an institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most
everyone here is careful, but that is not always the case in the academic
world and claiming "gee I had no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China
on eBay wasn't legal " is not in my mind remotely plausible.

OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some
films (must put some stuff on videonews)?

-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Oksana Dykyj]

The designer on l'Argent is not an 
internationally  known name even though her 
dresses are indeed beautiful.  What about Prix de 
Beauté  (1930) where the clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou?


Oksana

At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:
One suggestion I may have is to find another 
French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. 
One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available 
from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't 
remember the fashions at all, but it stars 
Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must 
have dressed her in the latest fashions. You 
don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. 
And the review photos suggest this: 
http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519


--
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!

Follow Milestone on Twitter!

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lively discussion of issues relating to the 
selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and 
evolving video formats in libraries and related 
institutions. It is hoped that the list will 
serve as an effective working tool for video 
librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational 
institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Shoaf,Judith P]

Thanks for the details, Oksana. This is probably what we had in the library. 
The prof's copy (which I haven't viewed) would be even better since it would be 
French standard (SECAM). It's also kind of reassuring to know that, while this 
is a rare item, there are a few copies around.

Judy

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:25 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has excellent 
visuals and sound (for a VHS).  The NTSC copy I have came from a PD 
distributor.  The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we get a 
chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the costume 
design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was 
responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, 
Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude 
Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. 
It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period right 
before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather significant historically 
for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The credits on the restoration 
indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was 
subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its original musical 
score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of the 1986 restoration is  La 
Boite a images, and director Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and 
toning in the restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the 
eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools 
around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure.

Oksana

At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:

Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking 
effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be 
surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted 
scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that 
literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD 
title. Perhaps the funniest one was  a major chain that bought a ripped off 
version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting 
in a crappy box).

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P 
mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>> wrote:
I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain 
though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a 
library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched 
about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with 
the "torn and dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific 
performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar 
recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange 
rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the 
tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either.

Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that 
probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who 
has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see 
whether it's a US release with English subs.

The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is 
based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, 
but it would be better visual quality.

I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being 
boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it 
for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My 
impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half 
hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has 
the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film 
"important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!)

Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about 
a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has 
anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it 
"reads" in terms of the visuals...?

Judy

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Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article

[ghandman]

I agree with the researcher

gary handman



> Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense
> of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher
> Education, August 21, 2011.
>
> Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use?  Not
> rhetorical, I'm actually wondering.  Thanks - Janice
>
> "A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a
> clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's
> presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When
> the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to
> show the work."
>
> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756
>
>
>
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> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Oksana Dykyj]

I bought the tape for my personal research from a guy near the Kino 
booth at Cinefest, in 1996, I think.


O.

At 10:36 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:
I thought French films were never PD in Canada or I suppose you just 
mean you got it from a company releasing PD films in the US? FYI if 
the VHS came from 86 restoration with a new score ( or even an old 
one) I don't think it could ever have been PD as opposed to a 
bootleg of the restoration.


Any idea why it is not released even in France?

I know  you love it and maybe I should give it another try if it 
plays in NYC ( which it did again recently), but the one time I 
tried to watch I was so bored I left, which is rare for me.


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Oksana Dykyj 
<oks...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has 
excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS).  The NTSC copy I have came 
from a PD distributor.  The film is indeed very long but then again 
how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as 
this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did 
the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of 
the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger 
designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara 
and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. 
It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco 
period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather 
significant historically for this purpose rather than for its 
narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius 
Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was 
subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its 
original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of 
the 1986 restoration is  La Boite a images, and director Jean 
Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the 
restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the 
eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque 
Catelain tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure.


Oksana


At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:
Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT 
(1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under 
copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that 
might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a 
decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino 
version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps 
the funniest one was  a major chain that bought a ripped off 
version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD 
(while putting in a crappy box).


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P 
<jsh...@ufl.edu> wrote:
I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as 
public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just 
a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact 
available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and 
found that viewing it in a small window helps with the "torn and 
dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific 
performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a 
postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to 
juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could 
make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM 
VHS is not likely to be much good either.


Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think 
that probably means it was released in the US at some point. 
Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on 
its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs.


The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I 
assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used 
to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality.


I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about 
the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole 
thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject 
matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the 
reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 
1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has 
the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film 
"important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!)


Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said 
anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been 
picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be 
interesting to know how well it "reads" in terms of the visuals...?


Judy

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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Jessica Rosner]

I thought French films were never PD in Canada or I suppose you just mean
you got it from a company releasing PD films in the US? FYI if the VHS came
from 86 restoration with a new score ( or even an old one) I don't think it
could ever have been PD as opposed to a bootleg of the restoration.

Any idea why it is not released even in France?

I know  you love it and maybe I should give it another try if it plays in
NYC ( which it did again recently), but the one time I tried to watch I was
so bored I left, which is rare for me.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Oksana Dykyj wrote:

>  The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has
> excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS).  The NTSC copy I have came from a
> PD distributor.  The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we
> get a chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the
> costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre
> Chareau was responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of
> the objects, Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences.
> Claude Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design
> elements. It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco
> period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather
> significant historically for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The
> credits on the restoration indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for
> the film in 1925 but that it was subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy
> restoration credits its original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux.
> The producer of the 1986 restoration is  La Boite a images, and director
> Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the restoration.
> I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating area is on a kind
> of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools around in a beautiful
> Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure.
>
> Oksana
>
>
> At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:
>
> Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking
> effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be
> surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted
> scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that
> literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a
> PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was  a major chain that bought a ripped
> off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while
> putting in a crappy box).
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P  wrote: I
> have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain
> though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a
> library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I
> watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window
> helps with the "torn and dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has
> a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from
> a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up
> the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital
> copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much
> good either.
>
> Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that
> probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof
> who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look
> to see whether it's a US release with English subs.
>
> The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is
> based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online
> video, but it would be better visual quality.
>
> I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film
> being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted
> to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the
> movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents
> the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is
> the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make
> the film "important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror
> themes!)
>
> Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything
> about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release?
> Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it
> "reads" in terms of the visuals...?
>
> Judy
>
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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Dennis Doros]

One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that
fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters
of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars
Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the
latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And
the review photos suggest this:
http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519

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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Oksana Dykyj]

The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has 
excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS).  The NTSC copy I have came 
from a PD distributor.  The film is indeed very long but then again 
how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as 
this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did 
the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of 
the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger 
designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara 
and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. It's 
a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period 
right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather 
significant historically for this purpose rather than for its 
narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius 
Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was 
subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its 
original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of 
the 1986 restoration is  La Boite a images, and director Jean 
Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the 
restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating 
area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain 
tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure.


Oksana

At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote:
Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) 
taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You 
would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then 
use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement 
with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of 
STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest 
one was  a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN 
KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box).


On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P 
<jsh...@ufl.edu> wrote:
I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public 
domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a 
language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available 
online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that 
viewing it in a small window helps with the "torn and dirty pages" 
quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the 
score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar 
recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the 
strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better 
digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not 
likely to be much good either.


Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think 
that probably means it was released in the US at some point. 
Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on 
its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs.


The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I 
assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to 
make the online video, but it would be better visual quality.


I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the 
film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing 
but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter 
(Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the 
online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the 
whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne 
costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film "important." 
(The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!)


Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said 
anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked 
up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be 
interesting to know how well it "reads" in terms of the visuals...?


Judy

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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Jessica Rosner]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

> Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking
> effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be
> surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted
> scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that
> literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a
> PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was  a major chain that bought a ripped
> off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while
> putting in a crappy box).
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P  wrote:
>
>>  I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public
>> domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab,
>> not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I
>> watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window
>> helps with the "torn and dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has
>> a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from
>> a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up
>> the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital
>> copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much
>> good either.
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that
>> probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof
>> who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look
>> to see whether it's a US release with English subs.
>>
>>
>>
>> The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it
>> is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online
>> video, but it would be better visual quality.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film
>> being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted
>> to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the
>> movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents
>> the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is
>> the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make
>> the film "important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror
>> themes!)
>>
>>
>>
>> Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything
>> about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release?
>> Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it
>> "reads" in terms of the visuals...?
>>
>>
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
>


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212-627-1785 (land line)
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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Jessica Rosner]

One final note. The film is not in fact released in France either,
indicating either a difficult rights holder, work on restoration or both.
Under other circumstances I would recommend getting a good PAL copy from
France sans titles and using that with perhaps some written or simultaneous
plot summery since the screening is related to visuals and not plot. This is
a case where I would just skip it and wait for high quality legal version to
be released.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Karsten, Eileen wrote:

> Jessica:
>
> There appears to be cataloging for two versions of the movie released in
> the U.S.  in OCLC.  One has [S.l.] : Foreign Film Classics [?, 199-?, 1924]
>  for publication/distribution information.   The other has [Alamogordo,
> N.M.] : Silent Screen Movie Classics [199-] It alss has a note saying that
> Foreign Film Classics is on container.  So, both are probably from the same
> company.  There is a note in both  records "Restauration: C.N.C. Archives du
> Film. 78390 Bois d'Arcy"--Film frame.  They are color tinted and have a
> running time of 128 min.
>
> Eileen Karsten
> Head of Technical Services
> Donnelley and Lee Library
> Lake Forest College
> 555 N. Sheridan Road
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
> kars...@lakeforest.edu
>
>
> _
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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Jessica Rosner]

Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking
effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be
surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted
scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that
literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a
PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was  a major chain that bought a ripped
off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while
putting in a crappy box).

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P  wrote:

>  I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public
> domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab,
> not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I
> watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window
> helps with the "torn and dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has
> a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from
> a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up
> the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital
> copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much
> good either.
>
>
>
> Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that
> probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof
> who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look
> to see whether it's a US release with English subs.
>
>
>
> The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is
> based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online
> video, but it would be better visual quality.
>
>
>
> I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film
> being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted
> to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the
> movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents
> the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is
> the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make
> the film "important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror
> themes!)
>
>
>
> Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything
> about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release?
> Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it
> "reads" in terms of the visuals...?
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Jessica Rosner]

I have never heard of the company but there were so many bootlegges or prior
to GATT distributors of mostly crappy material on what where then PD titles
that it is hard to keep track. I am going to post something else about
libraries with clearly illegal DVDs later.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Karsten, Eileen wrote:

> Jessica:
>
> There appears to be cataloging for two versions of the movie released in
> the U.S.  in OCLC.  One has [S.l.] : Foreign Film Classics [?, 199-?, 1924]
>  for publication/distribution information.   The other has [Alamogordo,
> N.M.] : Silent Screen Movie Classics [199-] It alss has a note saying that
> Foreign Film Classics is on container.  So, both are probably from the same
> company.  There is a note in both  records "Restauration: C.N.C. Archives du
> Film. 78390 Bois d'Arcy"--Film frame.  They are color tinted and have a
> running time of 128 min.
>
> Eileen Karsten
> Head of Technical Services
> Donnelley and Lee Library
> Lake Forest College
> 555 N. Sheridan Road
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
> kars...@lakeforest.edu
>
>
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> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
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> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Karsten, Eileen]

Jessica:

There appears to be cataloging for two versions of the movie released in the 
U.S.  in OCLC.  One has [S.l.] : Foreign Film Classics [?, 199-?, 1924]  for 
publication/distribution information.   The other has [Alamogordo, N.M.] : 
Silent Screen Movie Classics [199-] It alss has a note saying that Foreign Film 
Classics is on container.  So, both are probably from the same company.  There 
is a note in both  records "Restauration: C.N.C. Archives du Film. 78390 Bois 
d'Arcy"--Film frame.  They are color tinted and have a running time of 128 min.

Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley and Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
kars...@lakeforest.edu


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Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine

[Shoaf,Judith P]

I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain 
though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a 
library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched 
about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with 
the "torn and dirty pages" quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific 
performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar 
recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange 
rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the 
tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either.



Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that 
probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who 
has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see 
whether it's a US release with English subs.



The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is 
based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, 
but it would be better visual quality.



I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being 
boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it 
for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My 
impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half 
hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has 
the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film 
"important." (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!)



Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about 
a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has 
anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it 
"reads" in terms of the visuals...?



Judy


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