Re: [Videolib] Looking for a Legal Copy of Hide-Out (1934)
It is not in WB Archive collection and it is unlikely there was ever a VHS or DVD produced. Warner ( which controls MGM titles of that period) has released far more titles than any other studio but as usual the vast majority of studio films have never been released, regardless of what the idiot head of Netfix says. FYI your programmers have very obscure taste. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Lerman, Linda P ller...@ncc.commnet.edu wrote: As a last effort before giving up on show the film Hide-Out (1934) Directed by W.S. Van Syke, with Robert Montgomery, Maureen O'Sullivan, Edward Arnold, and Mickey Rooney) as part of a campus film series, I'm turning to this list to see if anyone knows of a legal copy. I know Swank sells the PPR for this film, but they don't know that any VHS or DVD version was ever produced. Here's hoping there's something out there. Thanks, Linda Linda P. Lerman Director of Library Services Everett I.L. Baker Library Norwalk Community College 188 Richards Avenue Norwalk, CT 06854-1655 Voice: 203-857-7211 Fax: 203-857-7380 Email: ller...@ncc.commnet.edu Website: www.ncc.commnet.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Here's the deal: one of the things that probably would not fly when invoking 108 is keeping both the replacement copy (in your case the vhs tape) and the original (the 16mm) in the collection as circulating copies. In other words, you don't want to end up with more circulating copies of a work than you started out with. (I think that the 16mm could be kept as a non-circulating copy of record) The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
This probably doesn't apply to the case at hand but might be defensible. Section 108 permits preservation copies made of items that have been lost but from where does one get a copy to make a replacement copy. It would have to be borrowed from someone else with that out of release title. Over time many of those OP titles will be only available as preservation copies and though dicey might be acceptable to loan if only for the purpose of replacing a lost copy. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:03 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Here's the deal: one of the things that probably would not fly when invoking 108 is keeping both the replacement copy (in your case the vhs tape) and the original (the 16mm) in the collection as circulating copies. In other words, you don't want to end up with more circulating copies of a work than you started out with. (I think that the 16mm could be kept as a non-circulating copy of record) The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Chris Lewis Media Librarian American University Library 202.885.3257 For latest Media Services News visit our blog at http://aulibmedia.blogspot.com or on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/American-University-Library-Media-Services/132559226823103 even Twitter http://twitter.com/aulibmedia Please think twice before printing this e-mail. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
With all due respect the entire transfer was ILLEGAL. 16mm is NOT a dead format. Films are in fact still being shot in 16mm. I can give you 20 places where you can buy or service a projector You transferred something for convenience not because it was in either a dead or degrading format. I know 16mm is a bitch. I know lots of schools have transferred to VHS or DVD from perfectly good 16mm copies because they did not want to be bothered. Gary if you want to know why this angers me so much let me tell you a little story. An independent filmmaker was startled when a friend told him he saw one of his films on a campus streaming system. This film had never been released on DVD or even VHS. He had sold a 16mm copy to this institution. It is widely known that this institution which is VERY active in your Carnegie project and other library media works has in fact transferred a HUGE 16mm collection and routinely streams the titles for classes. Don't tell me they promise to buy a DVD when they are released? Of course the filmmaker in question was never even contacted. This one does not even get to the can't loan it off premise question. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.edu wrote: Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we’ve transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don’t immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I’d pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
The issue isn't dead formats, Jessica, it's whether the item is available is currently distributed in the same or other formats and available for purchase at fair market. I agree that simply copying because it's more convenient doesn't really fly. g With all due respect the entire transfer was ILLEGAL. 16mm is NOT a dead format. Films are in fact still being shot in 16mm. I can give you 20 places where you can buy or service a projector You transferred something for convenience not because it was in either a dead or degrading format. I know 16mm is a bitch. I know lots of schools have transferred to VHS or DVD from perfectly good 16mm copies because they did not want to be bothered. Gary if you want to know why this angers me so much let me tell you a little story. An independent filmmaker was startled when a friend told him he saw one of his films on a campus streaming system. This film had never been released on DVD or even VHS. He had sold a 16mm copy to this institution. It is widely known that this institution which is VERY active in your Carnegie project and other library media works has in fact transferred a HUGE 16mm collection and routinely streams the titles for classes. Don't tell me they promise to buy a DVD when they are released? Of course the filmmaker in question was never even contacted. This one does not even get to the can't loan it off premise question. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.edu wrote: Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we’ve transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don’t immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I’d pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
No Gary, there was nothing wrong with this copy and nothing wrong with thousands of 16m copies that many institutions are transferring. I am sure a few of them might be in danger but in general 16mm is very sturdy format and lets not be naive that many institutions are wholesale transferring them and many wholesale streaming them as well as VHS DVD copies. Unless a copy is deteriorating OR in dead format you have no legal right to make a copy. This film and the one copied and streamed by the name redacted to protect the guilty did not have that issue. It is absolutely about convenience and money ( it certainly costs more to deal with 16mm), neither of which passes the smell test for 108. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:41 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: The issue isn't dead formats, Jessica, it's whether the item is available is currently distributed in the same or other formats and available for purchase at fair market. I agree that simply copying because it's more convenient doesn't really fly. g With all due respect the entire transfer was ILLEGAL. 16mm is NOT a dead format. Films are in fact still being shot in 16mm. I can give you 20 places where you can buy or service a projector You transferred something for convenience not because it was in either a dead or degrading format. I know 16mm is a bitch. I know lots of schools have transferred to VHS or DVD from perfectly good 16mm copies because they did not want to be bothered. Gary if you want to know why this angers me so much let me tell you a little story. An independent filmmaker was startled when a friend told him he saw one of his films on a campus streaming system. This film had never been released on DVD or even VHS. He had sold a 16mm copy to this institution. It is widely known that this institution which is VERY active in your Carnegie project and other library media works has in fact transferred a HUGE 16mm collection and routinely streams the titles for classes. Don't tell me they promise to buy a DVD when they are released? Of course the filmmaker in question was never even contacted. This one does not even get to the can't loan it off premise question. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.edu wrote: Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we’ve transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don’t immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I’d pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
OK...I think I stand corrected. But, yipes, there are an awful lot of ifs and buts in this affair. So, to recap: you make a vhs copy from a 16mm print that is physically at risk and determined to be out of distribution and un-gettable in any format, and you loan the vhs copy via ILL. OK...108 yeah, I guess. g I'd wager that Kim's 16mm-to-vhs copy was made purely as a matter of convenience...but Kim knows best. I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning. The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies to * digital * copies. 108 Section (a) (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if ‹ 108 Section (c) (2) any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in * digital format * is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives in lawful possession of such copy. Emphasis added Since Kim asked about loaning VHS copies of 16mm titles, it is my opinion that Section 108 allows an ILL -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Laserdisc
Greetings, group; At this point can laserdisc be considered a dead format? Not looking to convert any of our LD's at the moment, but just in case our players start dying... Thanks, Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
and what about transferring a perfectly healthy 16mm to VHS in the first place? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning. The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies to * digital * copies. 108 Section (a) (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if ‹ 108 Section (c) (2) any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in * digital format * is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives in lawful possession of such copy. Emphasis added Since Kim asked about loaning VHS copies of 16mm titles, it is my opinion that Section 108 allows an ILL -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Laserdisc
I beat you by a minute On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Yeah...dearly departed. I don't think even Jessica would argue (well, then again...we'll see) We've converted a number of ours (e.g. the spectacular Eadweard Muybridge disc from Voyage...unfortunately not as cool without the defunct hypercard interface software for Mac that it was born with). gary Greetings, group; At this point can laserdisc be considered a dead format? Not looking to convert any of our LD's at the moment, but just in case our players start dying... Thanks, Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing 16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one? VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
The irony is that I would consider 16mm the least likely to have physical problems format. Yes very old prints can get vinegar syndrome, warp and shrink but on average they last far, far longer than VHS, DVD etc and despite rumors to the contrary it is still being used. I think we need to be honest and admit that institutions have in fact illegally transferred tens of thousands of 16mm films to VHS or DVD. It was just too tempting and inconvenient not to. The attempt to justify it under 108 ( and trust me Kim I am not picking on you, I know major universities that have done it wholesale for 20 years or more) and pretend it has no impact on rights holders and that if those silly rights holders would only put it on VHS, DVD , Streaming ( that one has changed of course) they would have spent at least $30 to buy it ( if however the price was $250 they might just keep the one they transferred). There was a fascinating discussion on the google/hathitrust/ Univ. of Michigan fiasco on orphan books that reminded me of some of this. After admitting they completely messed up and that many of the works were not orphans at all, Michigan and other academic libraries started justifying it by saying but no one was getting to see those books anyway so they were basically doing the rights holders a favor by making them available even if it was illegal. Trust me rights holders don't really want to be told what is good for their market , let alone works many of them made themselves and this is why I get so upset with some of these discussions. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: OK...I think I stand corrected. But, yipes, there are an awful lot of ifs and buts in this affair. So, to recap: you make a vhs copy from a 16mm print that is physically at risk and determined to be out of distribution and un-gettable in any format, and you loan the vhs copy via ILL. OK...108 yeah, I guess. g I'd wager that Kim's 16mm-to-vhs copy was made purely as a matter of convenience...but Kim knows best. I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning. The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies to * digital * copies. 108 Section (a) (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if ‹ 108 Section (c) (2) any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in * digital format * is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives in lawful possession of such copy. Emphasis added Since Kim asked about loaning VHS copies of 16mm titles, it is my opinion that Section 108 allows an ILL -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
They are made new in Japan ( though I think pricey) and dozens of places in the US sell them used. The law says no longer reasonably available in commercial market place, not exclusively new. It is very easy and relatively cheap to get a very good 16mm projector. There are dozens of places in the US that sell and repair them and you are free to order off the web or over the phone. Films themselves are being made in 16mm and many, many venues still show in 16mm some or in a few rare cases all of the time. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Chris Lewis cle...@american.edu wrote: If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing 16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one? VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Laserdisc
Gary and Jessica: Here's a question for you: In a hypothetical U.S. situation where an institution has, say, Hollywood: A Celebration of the American Silent Film on laserdisc, must they look for and purchase a used set on VHS, since this will likely never be released in a digital format, or can that step be skipped and 108 applied. Just curious in Montreal on a beautiful sunny day. Oksana Concordia University At 02:28 PM 21/09/2011, you wrote: Yeah...dearly departed. I don't think even Jessica would argue (well, then again...we'll see) We've converted a number of ours (e.g. the spectacular Eadweard Muybridge disc from Voyage...unfortunately not as cool without the defunct hypercard interface software for Mac that it was born with). gary Greetings, group; At this point can laserdisc be considered a dead format? Not looking to convert any of our LD's at the moment, but just in case our players start dying... Thanks, Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Ok...this'll really get Jessica going. I suspect (but, hey, I ain't no lawyer) that a fairly strong case could/would be made for transferring 16mm to another format in an academic setting if: 1) the title were legally acquired in the first place and 2) thorough and well-documented due diligence regarding purchase of a replacement in a more usable format could be demonstrated. 3) the institution could demonstrate the general lack of access to 16mm projection equipment in the venues in which the material was generally shown (e.g., classrooms) Just a suspicion (based on on-going work with Mellon) gary and what about transferring a perfectly healthy 16mm to VHS in the first place? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning. The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies to * digital * copies. 108 Section (a) (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if ‹ 108 Section (c) (2) any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in * digital format * is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives in lawful possession of such copy. Emphasis added Since Kim asked about loaning VHS copies of 16mm titles, it is my opinion that Section 108 allows an ILL -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Laserdisc
108 does not require the purchase of used copies. Quoting: the library or archives has, after a reasonable effort, determined that an unused replacement cannot be obtained at a fair price I'd say that if it is on laser and you can't find a new DVD replacement, 108 applies g Gary and Jessica: Here's a question for you: In a hypothetical U.S. situation where an institution has, say, Hollywood: A Celebration of the American Silent Film on laserdisc, must they look for and purchase a used set on VHS, since this will likely never be released in a digital format, or can that step be skipped and 108 applied. Just curious in Montreal on a beautiful sunny day. Oksana Concordia University At 02:28 PM 21/09/2011, you wrote: Yeah...dearly departed. I don't think even Jessica would argue (well, then again...we'll see) We've converted a number of ours (e.g. the spectacular Eadweard Muybridge disc from Voyage...unfortunately not as cool without the defunct hypercard interface software for Mac that it was born with). gary Greetings, group; At this point can laserdisc be considered a dead format? Not looking to convert any of our LD's at the moment, but just in case our players start dying... Thanks, Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
I would distinguish the production of moving images on 16mm from the distribution/ dissemination of those films. Even our students who still make 16mm films have them subsequently telecineed for the practicality of having them seen. It's clear that very few institutions still purchase 16mm. Even distributors like CFMDC sell DVDs of many films they distribute. We recently bought Joyce Wieland's films on DVD from CFMDC (Canadian Filmmakers' Distribution Center). That's one way of keeping her work alive and available for study. I only wish Bruce Conner's family would understand that. Oksana Concordia University At 02:52 PM 21/09/2011, you wrote: They are made new in Japan ( though I think pricey) and dozens of places in the US sell them used. The law says no longer reasonably available in commercial market place, not exclusively new. It is very easy and relatively cheap to get a very good 16mm projector. There are dozens of places in the US that sell and repair them and you are free to order off the web or over the phone. Films themselves are being made in 16mm and many, many venues still show in 16mm some or in a few rare cases all of the time. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Chris Lewis cle...@american.edu wrote: If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing 16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one? VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
16mm is a bitch, but it ain't a dead format. According to the law if the equipment is reasonably available ( and just google and you will find plenty of places to buy 16mm projectors new and used) you can't make a copy UNLESS the original is deteriorating. The issue is can you just transfer an entire 16mm collection to DVD because you don't want to buy and use projectors? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Oksana Dykyj oks...@alcor.concordia.ca wrote: I would distinguish the production of moving images on 16mm from the distribution/ dissemination of those films. Even our students who still make 16mm films have them subsequently telecineed for the practicality of having them seen. It's clear that very few institutions still purchase 16mm. Even distributors like CFMDC sell DVDs of many films they distribute. We recently bought Joyce Wieland's films on DVD from CFMDC (Canadian Filmmakers' Distribution Center). That's one way of keeping her work alive and available for study. I only wish Bruce Conner's family would understand that. Oksana Concordia University At 02:52 PM 21/09/2011, you wrote: They are made new in Japan ( though I think pricey) and dozens of places in the US sell them used. The law says no longer reasonably available in commercial market place, not exclusively new. It is very easy and relatively cheap to get a very good 16mm projector. There are dozens of places in the US that sell and repair them and you are free to order off the web or over the phone. Films themselves are being made in 16mm and many, many venues still show in 16mm some or in a few rare cases all of the time. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Chris Lewis cle...@american.edu wrote: If we could step back for a minute to the question of whether 16mm film is obsolete. It's news to me that someone's still manufacturing 16 mm projectors. What company and where can I get one? VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Nope. 16mm projectors are widely available . There a dozen NEW ones on eBay now. You are saying it is INCONVENIENT for the school to buy them and use them in the classroom. Where in 108 does it say that if the format is a pain in the ass to put in the classroom you can just make it into one that is easier to use? The cace of access is based purely on financial and convenience issues and has no basis in the law itself. I really wish you would look at the LOC study report on 108. It is suggesting a far clearer set up in which it is explicit that to take advantage of the provisions an institution must actually have the ability to do archive/ preservation work and is NOT simply making a copy for convenience. 108 does not use terms like preservation research premise for fun. It was intended to allow the preservation and research access to rare materials not as free upgrade to an inconvenient or expensive format. Some of it was written in a sloppy matter so institutions try to take advantage of it. However enough of it is specific enough to prevent an institution from legally using it for transferring huge collections of 16mm or VHS for sake of convenience or to stream whole works for any reason ( that is more 107 of course). The only real issue is that most institutions do it in secret because they know it is illegal and the rights holders losing the most (independent filmmakers and distributors) have the fewest resources. Do you in fact agree that the unnamed institution ( which I am betting you can figure out) that is heavily involved in the Carnagie project was right to transfer and stream a filmmakers 16mm copy? Those are the people you work with. It might be a better project if you included a greedy indie filmmaker or distributor. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:13 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Ok...this'll really get Jessica going. I suspect (but, hey, I ain't no lawyer) that a fairly strong case could/would be made for transferring 16mm to another format in an academic setting if: 1) the title were legally acquired in the first place and 2) thorough and well-documented due diligence regarding purchase of a replacement in a more usable format could be demonstrated. 3) the institution could demonstrate the general lack of access to 16mm projection equipment in the venues in which the material was generally shown (e.g., classrooms) Just a suspicion (based on on-going work with Mellon) gary and what about transferring a perfectly healthy 16mm to VHS in the first place? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: I disagree with Gary's comment about loaning. The provisions of Section 108 limiting use to within the library applies to * digital * copies. 108 Section (a) (c), or to distribute such copy or phonorecord, under the conditions specified by this section, if ‹ 108 Section (c) (2) any such copy or phonorecord that is reproduced in * digital format * is not made available to the public in that format outside the premises of the library or archives in lawful possession of such copy. Emphasis added Since Kim asked about loaning VHS copies of 16mm titles, it is my opinion that Section 108 allows an ILL -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu The other requirement is that the replacement be used within the library building (depending on whom you talk to--which lawyer--this stricture may (MAY)be interpreted as allowing loan for use elsewhere on campus (BE QUIET, JESSICA)). Loaning the replacement would, I think, be skating and falling thru very thin ice, however. gary handman Hi all, Our collections contains a small number of VHS tapes we've transferred from 16mm films, using Section 108. We received an Interlibrary Loan request today for one of these 16mm films, but I want to send out the VHS copy. I don't immediately see anything in 108 that would prevent us from ILLing the VHS copy, but though I'd pose this as a question for the list. Thanks! Kim Stanton VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the
[Videolib] Icarus Films Announces acquisition of Program Development Associates
For Immediate Release: September 21, 2011 Contact: Anthony Sweeney, 1-718-488-8900 mailto:anth...@icarusfilms.com anth...@icarusfilms.com ICARUS FILMS Announces acquisition of PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES Jonathan Miller, President of the film distribution company Icarus Films http://www.icarusfilms.com/ www.IcarusFilms.com announced today that Icarus Films has acquired Program Development Associates http://www.DisabilityTraining.com www.DisabilityTraining.com a leading distributor of DVDs, multimedia training and educational resources on disability related topics. Following Icarus Films acquisition two years ago of the FANLIGHT PRODUCTIONS COLLECTION http://www.fanlight.com/ www.Fanlight.com of 400 health care-related films and DVDs, the addition of the Program Development Associates collection of over 600 DVD titles and other resources, will enable the customers of both companies to access the best and most suitable films and DVDs to meet their different (and often specific) needs, while also helping the titles distributed by both companies to reach wider audiences. Miller said, Even as we continue and expand our commitment to the distribution of classic, auteur and major creative documentaries to theatrical and home entertainment markets with the release of Patricio Guzmáns NOSTALGIA FOR THE LIGHT this year, Icarus Films remains dedicated to the nontheatrical markets. I believe that the ability we have to cross promote the films we represent to different, but complementary audiences and communities, and up and down the different media markets, gives us the flexibility and reach to ensure that every film we release reaches as wide and engaged an audience as possible. About the companies: Founded in 1978, Icarus Films is a leading distributor of documentary and art films in North America, with a library of 800 titles and releasing approximately 50 new films each year. The collection, mostly independent productions, features innovative and provocative films about our changing world. Recent releases include NOSTALGIA FOR THE LIGHT (Patricio Guzmán) and 2010 Academy Award-nominated RABBIT À LA BERLIN (Bartek Konopka Piotr Roslowski). Current new releases include the 2011 Sundance selection THE NINE MUSES (John Akomfrah) opening at The Museum of Modern Art in New York City on October 6, 2011 and EL SICARIO, ROOM 164 (Gianfranco Rossi and Charles Bowden) opening at Film Forum in New York City on December 28, 2011. In 2009, Icarus Films acquired the Fanlight Productions Collection of 350 titles educational media with a special focus on health care, mental health, aging, disabilities, and related issues. Program Development Associates, founded in 1985, supplies disability professionals in social service agencies, k-12 special education teachers in public and private schools, Human Resource trainers in business, and instructors in college classrooms with well researched program content that has been developed and tested by disability experts. The collection includes 700 videos, DVDs, CDs, printed workbooks and reference guides, gaming software and interactive board games on topics ranging from disability awareness, inclusion, professional development, advocacy and assistive technology, to physical, developmental, learning disabilities and vocational rehab. Program Development Associates, combined with Fanlight Productions award-winning documentaries on disabilities, allows Icarus Films to now offer the most comprehensive collection of multimedia resources in the field of disability awareness. For further information contact Anthony Sweeney: anth...@icarusfilms.com (800) 876-1710 http://www.IcarusFilms.com http://www.DisabilityTraining.com http://www.Fanlight.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Hi, Our collection has almost 2000 16mm prints, approximately 75% of which have never been issued on VHS or DVD. Our AV services no longer support 16mm machines to classes or even have them in back storage (junked long ago), so there are no facilities campus-wide to show these in classrooms. For all practical purposes these titles (if not the format itself) are dead. They will never circulate and are sitting in storage. By 108 standards should these be considered in danger? No reasonable effort can get these shown in a classroom in their current format. And as mentioned by others on the list many of these prints were well-used and poorly treated, being scratched and faded as well as suffering occasional fatal tears and rips. If an instructor or researcher requests one of these titles, does 108 allow us to make an access copy (VHS) to go to class to be viewed (on a VHS player)? (Once AV Services start pulling out VHS machines (sooner rather than later) we'll be in another pickle.) - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Well I regularly attend festivals where 16mm is the predominant format. Bad things can happen but overall they are far sturdier than any other format I can think of. The decision to dump a repair machine for DVD storage is perhaps understandable but you don't get to sort of work your way to making a format obsolete by refusing to care for it. The point is I don't want to burn or destroy ANYTHING. I love 16mm and think it should be cherished and used. 16mm had been dumped or duped in the vast majority of cases not because it was damaged or impossible to show but because it does take TLC , time money and it is so much easier just to copy on to what is without question a visually inferior format. As I mentioned I know several major institutions who chained (copied) everything they got and that goes back well over 20 years. That included prints they bought and prints they rented. So yes I kind of lack faith in institutions doing the right thing in terms of copyright law, oh heck in terms of what is just right thing. I know most folks on THIS list try to do the right thing, alas fewer and fewer libraries do. There is just too much pressure both financial and from professors demanding every film ever made be available to them in the format they want. I just continue to find it disturbing that everyone from Carnagie to major academic institutions feel the need to screw rights holders because it is easier and cheaper than dealing with bigger issues of rights access. Everyone from someone who made a single doc 25 years ago to Universal gets lumped together as greedy and uncooperative. As Dennis pointed out it would be nice if a little more effort were spent trying to contact rights holders and see if something can be worked out, before arbitrarily deciding it is OK do dupe and stream their work. Also copyright is not voted on by the majority. It is there to protect rights holders with flexibility for both fair use and preservation. It is not there so that an institution can get free upgrades when a format is no longer convenient. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: In my brief tenure as a media librarian I also saw the damage done to 16 mm by routine play, the need for trained and patient repair, and (after I left) the decision to get rid of the repair machine because it took up space that could be used for DVD storage. There was also a significant odor of vinegar in the 16mm storage room (I have no idea where the films are stored now). I should add that that library had given away tons of film to be junked for the minerals, including a collection of Soviet films that apparently were of insufficient interest to justify the storage room. I understand that Jessica would rather burn all copies of a film rather than allow someone to see it without paying somebody for the privilege, but does she realize how many people share that view? I keep thinking of Henri Langlois… Judy Shoaf From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that still have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to keep them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair them. What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so heavily spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion of a 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders (we've done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity of keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided excellent leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm collection, I would be concentrating my efforts on replacing and converting as fast as possible. Gail On 9/21/2011 1:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: The irony is that I would consider 16mm the least likely to have physical problems format. Yes
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
I am sure if UCLA wanted to spend a few bucks it would have no trouble getting some lovely 16mm projectors it could take into classes. It is really rather easy. I know the archive has editing machines the films can be viewed on by individual users. These titles are not remotely dead . You and other institutions choose to kill them by not having easily available equipment to use them. I understand it would be expensive and a pain in the ass to do that but is not particularly hard. Unless an individual print is in fact deteriorating you have no right at all to copy it though I know from personal experience that has never stopped UCLA. It was regularly done when I was as student there over 25 years ago ( that was of course a different dept,) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Brown, Roger rbr...@oid.ucla.edu wrote: Hi, Our collection has almost 2000 16mm prints, approximately 75% of which have never been issued on VHS or DVD. Our AV services no longer support 16mm machines to classes or even have them in back storage (junked long ago), so there are no facilities campus-wide to show these in classrooms. For all practical purposes these titles (if not the format itself) are dead. They will never circulate and are sitting in storage. By 108 standards should these be considered in danger? No reasonable effort can get these shown in a classroom in their current format. And as mentioned by others on the list many of these prints were well-used and poorly treated, being scratched and faded as well as suffering occasional fatal tears and rips. If an instructor or researcher requests one of these titles, does 108 allow us to make an access copy (VHS) to go to class to be viewed (on a VHS player)? (Once AV Services start pulling out VHS machines (sooner rather than later) we'll be in another pickle.) - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Thanks everyone for your feedback. Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to classrooms broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning machines left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare occasion a faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and the skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still available and used in other areas. Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never come up before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital being a factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an access copy at all. Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that still have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to keep them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair them. What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so heavily spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion of a 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders (we've done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity of keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided excellent leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm collection, I would be concentrating my efforts on replacing and converting as fast as possible. Gail Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edumailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imrhttp://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr “Education is a progressive study of your own ignorance.” – Will Durant VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to case law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding case could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can find online. Legal opinion I've received so far seems to concur. Gary Thanks everyone for your feedback. Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to classrooms broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning machines left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare occasion a faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and the skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still available and used in other areas. Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never come up before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital being a factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an access copy at all. Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that still have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to keep them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair them. What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so heavily spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion of a 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders (we've done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity of keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided excellent leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm collection, I would be concentrating my efforts on replacing and converting as fast as possible. Gail Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edumailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imrhttp://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr “Education is a progressive study of your own ignorance.” – Will Durant VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies
Standard wear and tear has always been an issue, even with books. I understand the frustration but there is no free upgrade to easiest to use formats. Even though a few libraries have tried you don't get to scan books and put them on line which would also save on wear and tear and make them much more accessible. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Grant, Tyra tgr...@ku.edu wrote: And then what about the fact that playback equipment itself will cause wear and can easily damage film or tape---especially since we're now more frequently forced to employ used and worn equipment when new technology is no longer available. We find ourselves in a situation where it sometimes seems we are forced to use up some of our collections before we can transfer them to newer (more robust) access formats. Tyra Grant Digital and electronic media preservation officer University of Kansas Libraries tgr...@ku.edu 785-864-8951 On 9/21/11 4:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to case law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding case could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can find online. Legal opinion I've received so far seems to concur. Gary Thanks everyone for your feedback. Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to classrooms broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning machines left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare occasion a faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and the skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still available and used in other areas. Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never come up before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital being a factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an access copy at all. Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that still have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to keep them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair them. What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so heavily spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion of a 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders (we've done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity of keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided excellent leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm collection, I would be concentrating my efforts on replacing and converting as fast as possible. Gail Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edumailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imrhttp://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr ³Education is a progressive study of your
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Jessica, I think we all understand by now that, within the law, there's no free upgrade to much of anything, right? That wasn't my point---I merely was commenting that, no matter what technology's available for viewing film or tape, that technology, itself may likely contribute to loss. No frustration, just fact. On 9/21/11 5:25 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Standard wear and tear has always been an issue, even with books. I understand the frustration but there is no free upgrade to easiest to use formats. Even though a few libraries have tried you don't get to scan books and put them on line which would also save on wear and tear and make them much more accessible. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Grant, Tyra tgr...@ku.edu wrote: And then what about the fact that playback equipment itself will cause wear and can easily damage film or tape---especially since we're now more frequently forced to employ used and worn equipment when new technology is no longer available. We find ourselves in a situation where it sometimes seems we are forced to use up some of our collections before we can transfer them to newer (more robust) access formats. Tyra Grant Digital and electronic media preservation officer University of Kansas Libraries tgr...@ku.edu 785-864-8951 On 9/21/11 4:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to case law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding case could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can find online. Legal opinion I've received so far seems to concur. Gary Thanks everyone for your feedback. Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to classrooms broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning machines left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare occasion a faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and the skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still available and used in other areas. Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never come up before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital being a factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an access copy at all. Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that still have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to keep them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair them. What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so heavily spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion of a 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders (we've done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity of keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided excellent leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm
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Alas Tyra I wish everyone did understand there were no free upgrades under copyright law. The irony is that any transfer of format will in fact degrade the image and result in an inferior product, I do understand that believe it or not everyone shares the same goal of making as many films possible in the best possible copy, however I think too many institutions are engaging in activities that will insure fewer films are made available and increasingly the ones used will be of inferior quality having been self transferred. I also happen to have a real fondness for 16mm which I fully understand is not practical for institutions but it is honestly a beautiful and much longer lasting format. No one is ever going to find the only surviving copy of feature film on an old VHS, but more than a few have been found in 16mm, including ones that were over 70 years old. 2011/9/21 Grant, Tyra tgr...@ku.edu: Jessica, I think we all understand by now that, within the law, there's no free upgrade to much of anything, right? That wasn't my point---I merely was commenting that, no matter what technology's available for viewing film or tape, that technology, itself may likely contribute to loss. No frustration, just fact. On 9/21/11 5:25 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Standard wear and tear has always been an issue, even with books. I understand the frustration but there is no free upgrade to easiest to use formats. Even though a few libraries have tried you don't get to scan books and put them on line which would also save on wear and tear and make them much more accessible. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Grant, Tyra tgr...@ku.edu wrote: And then what about the fact that playback equipment itself will cause wear and can easily damage film or tape---especially since we're now more frequently forced to employ used and worn equipment when new technology is no longer available. We find ourselves in a situation where it sometimes seems we are forced to use up some of our collections before we can transfer them to newer (more robust) access formats. Tyra Grant Digital and electronic media preservation officer University of Kansas Libraries tgr...@ku.edu 785-864-8951 On 9/21/11 4:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to case law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding case could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can find online. Legal opinion I've received so far seems to concur. Gary Thanks everyone for your feedback. Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and others have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as The Dennis' ) are gone. Last year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to classrooms broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning machines left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare occasion a faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and the skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still available and used in other areas. Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never come up before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital being a factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any 16mm films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not an access copy at all. Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to have a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools located within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While 16mm is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped sprocket holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced a nice burn. I
[Videolib] Check out the very last line of the actual article (including the list of 'alternatives)
http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/691/5-netflix-and-qwikster-alternatives/ Well better at the bottom than nowhere. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
