FOR SALE: Apple 14” Monitor

[Barry Cross]

Apple 14” Monitor a solid CRT traditional model that is in good working 
nick.

I can not deliver so buyers must collect from the UK only

I won’t mention a price as you can work out that for yourself, let's do it 
the old fashioned way and haggle.

I am finally getting shot of all of my old Macs hardware and software to 
good homes, which is why I am still persisting with this Group, though as I 
haven’t seen any posts of late I wonder if its still extant. I make no 
apologies for listing items that I have already mentioned especially as 
that was some time past.


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Re: Apple 14" Monitor for sale

['george hill II' via Vintage Macs]

Ha ha but I do hope you sell it good luck

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 02:33, Josh Juran  wrote:
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> On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:34 PM, 'george hill II' via Vintage Macs 
>  wrote:
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>> Bit of a trip for me can we meet halfway? 
>> Butch in Florence Texas
> 
> By "halfway", are you thinking St. John's, or somewhere right in the Atlantic?
> 
> Cheers,
> Josh
> 
>>>> On Oct 27, 2021, at 13:54, Barry Cross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple 14” Colour Monitor for sale, good working order. 
>>> 
>>> £100 or near offer, anyone want to barter? 
>>> 
>>> I am afraid buyer must collect, Postcode is LL34 6NG, that is Conwy county, 
>>> North Wales, UK. 
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Re: Apple 14" Monitor for sale

[Josh Juran]

On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:34 PM, 'george hill II' via Vintage Macs 
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> Bit of a trip for me can we meet halfway? 
> Butch in Florence Texas

By "halfway", are you thinking St. John's, or somewhere right in the Atlantic?

Cheers,
Josh

>> On Oct 27, 2021, at 13:54, Barry Cross  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Apple 14” Colour Monitor for sale, good working order. 
>> 
>> £100 or near offer, anyone want to barter? 
>> 
>> I am afraid buyer must collect, Postcode is LL34 6NG, that is Conwy county, 
>> North Wales, UK. 


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Re: Apple 14" Monitor for sale

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Bit of a trip for me can we meet halfway? 
Butch in Florence Texas

> On Oct 27, 2021, at 13:54, Barry Cross  wrote:
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> Apple 14” Colour Monitor for sale, good working order. 
> 
> £100 or near offer, anyone want to barter? 
> 
> I am afraid buyer must collect, Postcode is LL34 6NG, that is Conwy county, 
> North Wales, UK. 
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Apple 14" Monitor for sale

[Barry Cross]

Apple 14” Colour Monitor for sale, good working order. 

£100 or near offer, anyone want to barter? 

I am afraid buyer must collect, Postcode is LL34 6NG, that is Conwy county, 
North Wales, UK. 

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FS: Apple ///, 10MB Profile, Drive ///, Monitor /// Package

[Dylan McDermond]

I thought this might get more interest here than it did on the lem-swap list.

I have a working Apple /// setup I’m finally ready to part with. It includes a 
256k Apple ///, Monitor ///, 10MB ProFile and external Drive ///.  Everything 
is working 100%. You can see some older photos on my site at 
http://applefool.com/applefool/Apple.html and a more recent image at 
https:/www.mcdermond.net/dylan/images/apple3.jpeg

More information or photos can be provided on request, of course.

I’m looking for about $1000 + shipping for everything (the last time I was 
quoted shipping, it was ~$200 from USA coast-to-coast, ground service, 
professionally packaged). Shipping is from Corvallis, OR 97330

Thanks!

Dylan McDermond
Corvallis, OR 97330

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

 So glad to hear everything is working! You have the patience of a saint and 
perseverance to boot!
Cheers,
Keith 
On Monday, 26 November 2018, 21:18:11 GMT, dlewis1...@gmail.com 
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 The external scsi is working and the machine is operational again.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions.

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Re: Looking for Performa 631cd, monitor w/speakers, and more

[James Kelly]

Welcome to Google!

Hi

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The external scsi is working and the machine is operational again.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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External SCSI is working.

The video and rest of the system are working again.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Update:

I installed the video card and the machine boots with a working display now.

The keyboard and sound work.

I will try connecting an external SCSI drive next.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Okay, similar my experiences building other computers.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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They're just (marginally) more expensive LEGO really. Plugs in one way,
just make sure the computer is powered down and you've grounded yourself
before playing with it.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:49 AM  wrote:

> My “new” video card arrived.  Any precautions or tricks to installing?
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 16 Nov, 2018, at 11:49 am, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> My “new” video card arrived.  Any precautions or tricks to installing?

No more than for your average PCI card.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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My “new” video card arrived.  Any precautions or tricks to installing?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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On Nov 12, 2018, at 11:45 AM, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Found a Mac II high resolution card on Ebay, without onboard video, I could 
> not see any driver install.

No NuBus video card requires a driver; it should have everything the operating 
system needs at boot in ROM. A driver may be required for acceleration or other 
such features, but basic display should always work.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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On Nov 12, 2018, at 11:14 AM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs 
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> Yes. Installing it should disable the onboard graphics, routing graphics 
> through the NuBus card.

Not quite; not having a monitor plugged in to the port is what disables onboard 
video. Just adding a NuBus video card lets you add an additional monitor.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Can the NuBua card be installed if the onboard video is out?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I just heard a loud pop after shut down.  Sounded like a cap failing on the 
main board again.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I want to be a part of this group, but I don't want messages for this same
thing everyday for weeks. Okay. I will unsubscribe then. But best of luck
to the no display on monitor.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Why am I getting messages for this for weeks now? Almost everyday!

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 9:56 PM  Tried the VGA adapter with a Sony LCD with a 67HZ refresh rate and don’t
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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If the Sony LCD supports 640x480 @ 66.67Hz, and the VGA adapter had the
sense pins configured properly for that resolution, and the VGA adapter was
plugged in prior to turning on the IIci, then there's almost definitely
something wrong with your video subsystem. I would recommend a NuBus
graphics card, which can allow for greater resolution(s) and color depth
than 640x480x256 colors.

http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/macmons.txt

  ID3 ID2 ID1Monitor Type
  

  110Mac II 12" B, 13" Hi-Res RGB (640x480)


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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Tried the VGA adapter with a Sony LCD with a 67HZ refresh rate and don’t see 
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Thanks for posting this list.  I see several SDM series displays that work.  

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The Sony monitor I have is a SDM-X93 from 2004, if that helps.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I have the 13” Apple Color Monitor, with Sony Trinitron CRT.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I didn't reread the whole thread, but I checked the first few posts.  What 
kind of Apple monitor are you using?

The Apple Basic Color Monitor will not work with the IIci.   It is 
contemporary with it, but was a cheap .39" pitch rebadged Goldstar (IIRC) 
monitor and didn't support the signals on the IIci.

The Apple Color Plus or the Apple 14" Color Monitor should work.

I also had good luck with (using an adapter) the Viewsonic 4e and 5e of the 
time.  The Viewsonic monitors offered the UniMacFly adapter for Macs, which 
has the virtue of including a key to the switch settings printed on the 
adapter itself.


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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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http://ps-2.kev009.com/sog/
This list is a little dated but a pretty comprehensive list of Sync On
Green compatible CRT and LCD displays.

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:09 AM Clark Martin  wrote:

> The problem is that the early Macs put out the sync ONLY on the green
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The problem is that the early Macs put out the sync ONLY on the green video 
line.  There were some adapters that extracted the sync and put it out on the 
discrete sync lines but those would be quite rare now I expect.


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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Okay, I ordered an an adapter with the dip switches which, according to the 
comments will work LCD vga monitors like an NEC Multisync.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 5 Nov, 2018, at 10:27 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Can’t find the Griffin adapter although cables online has a HD15 to DB15 
> adapter. So, all is needed is to switched the lines around? No signal 
> conversion?

Yes, the electronics inside the monitor are basically the same anyway.  Mac 
monitors of this type pre-dated multisync SVGA, but were contemporary with 
basic CGA/EGA/VGA on the PC side.

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Can’t find the Griffin adapter although cables online has a HD15 to DB15 
adapter. So, all is needed is to switched the lines around? No signal 
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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There are many companies that make them. I know that Griffin makes ones for
modern Macs. You need one that is DB-15 to VGA (HD-15). You don't need a
fancy one with manual sense pin configuring, as you only need 640x480.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 5 Nov, 2018, at 9:03 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Are you referring to a Griffin Mac to VGA adapter?

That's one option, yes.  There are others out there.  Most of them just connect 
the signals through to the monitor, and have dip-switches to tell the Mac what 
kind of monitor to expect (because old Macs don't know about EDID).

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Are you referring to a Griffin Mac to VGA adapter?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The VGA LCD is worth a shot - mac to VGA adapters are fairly cheap if you
haven't got one already.

There might also be someone near you that would be willing to help test if
you are comfortable posting what state or county you're in.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I have small LCD VGA display I use for my Linux server...

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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try poping all the ram out,  and installing just 4 matched smmms in
RAM BANK A,  also take a tooth brush and some 91% IPA alcohol and
scrub the ram slots of bank a as well. i have seen flux residue cause
issues many times. if there is any issue with ram in bank A you will
get NO video.
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 5 Nov, 2018, at 7:06 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I don’t have another Mac available, although I could get another Apple 
> display from eBay and try that.

If you have a VGA monitor or something with a composite-video input, it should 
be possible to jury-rig something with wires to see whether the right signals 
are coming through.

Even a multimeter should help, on in the AC voltage or frequency settings.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I don’t have another Mac available, although I could get another Apple display 
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Hi

I’m wondering if the problem lies with the monitor. Can you connect to another 
mac and see if there is any action. I had a similar problem, you’d get is a 
monitor power supply starting up. but if there is an issue with the horizontal 
sweep circuit (the part that usually goes wrong) then there will not be any 
video.

Cheers
David

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> connector.  I will have to pull the main board out and look underneath.
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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I will scrutinize the mainboard around the video circuitry and look for damage 
or soldier bridges. The board was cleaned before the recapping service sent the 
board back.

To test the video I will look for another monitor or a vga adapter.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 30 Oct, 2018, at 10:59 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> From the photo I took, the bank nearest the hard drive bracket. I can’t see 
> the board markings.

That appears to be Bank A, from squinting at board photos online - which is the 
correct one for internal video to work.  Time to look at different possible 
problems.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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>From the photo I took, the bank nearest the hard drive bracket. I can’t see 
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 30 Oct, 2018, at 10:31 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> The SIMMS are in one bank, although the system booted fine in this 
> configuration.

Okay, but WHICH bank?  A or B?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The SIMMS are in one bank, although the system booted fine in this 
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> Hello, 
>
> I’m rebuilding a Mac IIci, starting with a recapped mainboard.  The boots 
> with a normal chime and the 13” 
> RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM 
> battery is new as well. 
>


Is there RAM in the four SIMM slots of Bank A?I can't remember if the 
IIci will boot without RAM in Bank A, but in any case, the on-board video 
circuitry draws the RAM it uses from Bank A.If there is only RAM in 
Bank B, then the onboard video cannot work.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Good suggestions all.

Prior to sending the board in for recapping, the video worked perfectly with no 
artifacts.

I will have to scrutinize the board around the video section to look solder 
joint bridging or contamination.

As far as testing the monitor, what could I plug into it?

Derek

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

[Jerri Kohl]

Great list Keith! I second Keith's suggestion of cleaning boards after
recapping. This always needs to be done since you can't always see the
electrolyte residue. This ends up being a hidden problem fairly often.

Best,
Jerri

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> Hi D,
>
> At the risk of sounding patronising (not intended, honest) have you
> eliminated all the other possibilities?
>
> - Was the Iici working before it was recapped?
>
> - If yes, were there any particular symptoms such as odd images on screen?
> Checkerboard? vertical lines?
>
> - Have you checked there are no dry solder joints? Magnifying glass is
> good (personal experience)
>
> - Check ALL joints, not just the ones you did.
>
> - Have you checked there are no bridged solder joints? Again magnifying
> glass is good (personal experience)
>
> - Are the brightness and contrast controls turned up on the monitor? (I
> swear this is a thing, personal experience)
>
> - Are you getting all the correct voltages from the PSU rails?
>
> - When you recapped the mainboard, did you recap the power supply as well?
> I do this as a matter of course. All those heat up cool down cycles will
> eventually throw the voltages off.
>
> - After recapping the mainboard, the board was cleaned to remove any
> residue of battery and old cap electrolyte? Electrolyte will causes shorts.
> I use isopropanol/isopropyl alcohol but I have run a dishwasher cycle or
> six on Analog/PSU boards as well as mainboards (remove chips from sockets
> before washing).
>
> - Can you check the monitor works with something else?
>
> I know it sounds like I'm covering the obvious but it's all meant in good
> faith.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On Monday, 29 October 2018, 18:35:04 GMT, dlewis1...@gmail.com <
> dlewis1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Hello,
>
> I’m rebuilding a Mac IIci, starting with a recapped mainboard.  The boots
> with a normal chime and the 13”
> RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM
> battery is new as well.
>
> I have read through some posts on similar problems and I’m looking for
> suggestions on isolating the problem; could this be a problem with the
> onboard video or has the monitor finally died?
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

[Hardware Mack]

with the Mac IIci you NEED to make sure RAM is installed in Bank A...
if you have ram in bank B, you will get no video.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:35 PM  wrote:
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> Hello,
>
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> RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM battery 
> is new as well.
>
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> suggestions on isolating the problem; could this be a problem with the 
> onboard video or has the monitor finally died?
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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

 Hi D,
At the risk of sounding patronising (not intended, honest) have you eliminated 
all the other possibilities?
- Was the Iici working before it was recapped?
- If yes, were there any particular symptoms such as odd images on screen? 
Checkerboard? vertical lines?
- Have you checked there are no dry solder joints? Magnifying glass is good 
(personal experience)
- Check ALL joints, not just the ones you did.
- Have you checked there are no bridged solder joints? Again magnifying glass 
is good (personal experience)
- Are the brightness and contrast controls turned up on the monitor? (I swear 
this is a thing, personal experience)
- Are you getting all the correct voltages from the PSU rails?
- When you recapped the mainboard, did you recap the power supply as well? I do 
this as a matter of course. All those heat up cool down cycles will eventually 
throw the voltages off.
- After recapping the mainboard, the board was cleaned to remove any residue of 
battery and old cap electrolyte? Electrolyte will causes shorts. I use 
isopropanol/isopropyl alcohol but I have run a dishwasher cycle or six on 
Analog/PSU boards as well as mainboards (remove chips from sockets before 
washing).
- Can you check the monitor works with something else?
I know it sounds like I'm covering the obvious but it's all meant in good faith.
Cheers,
Keith


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 Hello,

I’m rebuilding a Mac IIci, starting with a recapped mainboard.  The boots with 
a normal chime and the 13”
RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM battery is 
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I have read through some posts on similar problems and I’m looking for 
suggestions on isolating the problem; could this be a problem with the onboard 
video or has the monitor finally died?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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> On 29 Oct, 2018, at 11:05 pm, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Would there a chime at boot if the onboard video was fried?

There are several reasons why the video might not work, and not all of them are 
detectable by software.  The chime mainly means we can eliminate faulty memory 
or interrupt handling as a potential cause.  A completely detached video cable 
would simply cause the Mac to default to producing a low-resolution, monochrome 
video signal.

The fault may lie in the CRT unit.  Powering up simply means that it's 
receiving power - there is a mains-voltage switch in the IIci's PSU which 
handles that.  If possible, we should verify that correct signals are coming 
out of the Mac before opening the CRT, but if there is a test mode or an 
alternative source of compatible video signals, we can use that to isolate 
whether any faults exist in the CRT.

Likewise, there may be a fault in the video signal generator circuitry, more 
technically known as the RAMDAC.  It's possible for the RGB signals to be 
correctly produced but the sync signals to be missing, and vice versa, and both 
would result in a blank screen.  This mostly consists of a relatively large 
chip which should be near the video output.  Look for circuit board damage or 
contamination in this area, as well as any faulty capacitors which may 
previously have been missed.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Would there a chime at boot if the onboard video was fried?

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Try removing the PRAM battery and resetting the PRAM.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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The board is clean and there is no corrosion on the battery.

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Re: Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Hi 
Any green battery corrosion or leaky cap residue ?

Rgb monitor should have a test mode , most crts do- pull the service manual 

Kind Regards

Raj
Sent from my wireless device

> On 29 Oct 2018, at 18:35, dlewis1...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I’m rebuilding a Mac IIci, starting with a recapped mainboard.  The boots 
> with a normal chime and the 13”
> RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM battery 
> is new as well.
> 
> I have read through some posts on similar problems and I’m looking for 
> suggestions on isolating the problem; could this be a problem with the 
> onboard video or has the monitor finally died?
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Mac IIci with blank monitor

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Hello,

I’m rebuilding a Mac IIci, starting with a recapped mainboard.  The boots with 
a normal chime and the 13”
RBG monitor powers up, although the display remains blank.  The PRAM battery is 
new as well.

I have read through some posts on similar problems and I’m looking for 
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video or has the monitor finally died?

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Looking for Performa 631cd, monitor w/speakers, and more

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Hello,
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it that had speakers, keyboard and mouse and an ethernet card for the comm 
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to replace the lc one.  Preferably one that hasn't discolored.  I've looked 
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Re: Mac II LC monitor options

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Hi James,
I thought I had a bad monitor for my LC475.
Turns out the monitor socket had broken through fatigue and it wasn't supplying 
a good ground - the pins were soldered to the board but somewhere between the 
socket and the board, there were dry joints. Also, the two tabs that connect to 
ground were sheared.
Only solution was to source and replace the monitor socket - now there's a 
great picture.
Do you have access to another Mac on which you can test the monitor? Maybe a 
buddy or local Mac User Group? Try googling mac user group in your local area.
Regards,

 Keith

On Saturday, 19 November 2016, 16:03, Justin Teague 
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 Here's an example, after a quick search. Good way to troubleshoot that it is 
in fact the monitor, and not the LCII that is not working.
 
 On November 19, 2016 at 09:53:01, Ken Daggett (kadagg...@gmail.com) wrote: 

On 19 Nov 2016, at 06:35:56 AM PST, James Webb wrote:


I have a Mac II LC (M1700) with a bad monitor. Is there an adapter I 
can use to hook up a more modern monitor? Thanks.

-
There are a ton of adapters that allow you to connect VGA type 
monitors to the Mac monitor port. Most have "DIP" switches to 
configure the video to match. I used to have a drawer full but got rid 
of most of my old Mac stuff a couple of years ago.

Ken

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Re: Mac II LC monitor options

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Here's an example, after a quick search. Good way to troubleshoot that it
is in fact the monitor, and not the LCII that is not working.

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> On 19 Nov 2016, at 06:35:56 AM PST, James Webb wrote:
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> I have a Mac II LC (M1700) with a bad monitor. Is there an adapter I
> can use to hook up a more modern monitor? Thanks.
>
> -
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> monitors to the Mac monitor port. Most have "DIP" switches to
> configure the video to match. I used to have a drawer full but got rid
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Re: Mac II LC monitor options

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On 19 Nov 2016, at 06:35:56 AM PST, James Webb wrote:

I have a Mac II LC (M1700) with a bad monitor. Is there an adapter I  
can use to hook up a more modern monitor? Thanks.

-
There are a ton of adapters that allow you to connect VGA type  
monitors to the Mac monitor port. Most have "DIP" switches to  
configure the video to match. I used to have a drawer full but got rid  
of most of my old Mac stuff a couple of years ago.


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Mac II LC monitor options

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I have a Mac II LC (M1700) with a bad monitor. Is there an adapter I can 
use to hook up a more modern monitor? Thanks.

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Re: Tilt/Swivel Base for 13" AppleColor Monitor?

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Nice pics - classic machine - I still have my working Quadra 800 (with
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> Yep. Here’s mine:
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> http://applefool.com/applefool/Quadra_840av.html#3
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Re: Tilt/Swivel Base for 13" AppleColor Monitor?

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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Justin Teague  wrote:
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Yep. Here’s mine:

http://applefool.com/applefool/Quadra_840av.html#3 


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Re: Tilt/Swivel Base for 13" AppleColor Monitor?

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Perfect — thank you!

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 22:39, Brendan Shanks <bren...@bslabs.net> wrote:
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> Yes they do exist, this thread has some more info/pictures: 
> https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/26452-stand-for-applecolor-13-high-resolution-rgb-monitor/
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> I have one, got it a year ago from 'oldappleguy' on 68kmla. He had a few he 
> was trying to get rid of, might still have some. Send him a PM if you're 
> interested.
> 
> It's a perfect match for putting a 13" AppleColor on top of a IIci
> 
> Brendan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Justin Teague <justintea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings. I'm looking for a monitor stand for my 13" AppleColor High 
>> resolution monitor. I could've sworn seeing one years ago. Sure enough, LEM 
>> mentions that they were released as an accessory:
>> 
>> http://lowendmac.com/displays/applecolor-monitor.html
>> 
>> I've looked but haven't found a model number or anything. Do these actually 
>> exist? Has anyone seen one out there, eBay, etc?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> JT
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Re: Tilt/Swivel Base for 13" AppleColor Monitor?

[Brendan Shanks]

Yes they do exist, this thread has some more info/pictures: 
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/26452-stand-for-applecolor-13-high-resolution-rgb-monitor/

I have one, got it a year ago from 'oldappleguy' on 68kmla. He had a few he was 
trying to get rid of, might still have some. Send him a PM if you're interested.

It's a perfect match for putting a 13" AppleColor on top of a IIci

Brendan

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> Greetings. I'm looking for a monitor stand for my 13" AppleColor High 
> resolution monitor. I could've sworn seeing one years ago. Sure enough, LEM 
> mentions that they were released as an accessory:
> 
> http://lowendmac.com/displays/applecolor-monitor.html
> 
> I've looked but haven't found a model number or anything. Do these actually 
> exist? Has anyone seen one out there, eBay, etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> JT
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Re: CPU usage monitor

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>
>
>> Thanks for the great explanation! So there is no good way to follow CPU 
> usage when playing different MP3 files with MpegDec?
>
>
> Try Memory Mapper.
>
>
Memory Mapper does not have any kind of CPU usage monitor. It can not show 
CPU load %. From its settings I could not find CPU meter either.

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Re: CPU usage monitor

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> On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Dan C  wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 09:36 AM, Simo Koivukoski  
>> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 14:53:21 UTC+3, Jonathan Morton wrote:
>> It’s tricky, because Classic MacOS is a *cooperatively* multitasking OS, and 
>> continually offers idle CPU time to applications in case they want to do 
>> something with it.  It’s a very different model than a modern pre-emptive 
>> system. 
> 
> System 7, 8, and 9 used a clean time slicing method of scheduling.  Apps gave 
> up the CPU and an idle task took up the excess.

If memory serves, programs were supposed to release their tight fisted hold on 
the processor, but were not required to do so…  wait_next_event was the system 
call which was multi-tasking friendly while the System 6 carry-over 
get_next_event was not.  The real problem with wait_next_event was you (the 
programmer) never knew when you would get control back again (because another 
program might be using get_next_event).  Again, if memory serves…  It has been 
a year or 2 (or 20) since I have thought about it.

You could probably change the .trap address for get_next_event to point to 
wait_next_event, but I would not want to guess at the possible implications.

Derek

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Re: CPU usage monitor

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> On 24 Aug, 2016, at 16:36, Simo Koivukoski  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the great explanation! So there is no good way to follow CPU usage 
> when playing different MP3 files with MpegDec?

For a start, you could try a newer version of Peekaboo - apparently v1.6 still 
supports Classic MacOS.  It’s probably the best tool for the job.  Reading 
through its docs, I am reminded that applications are able to tell MacOS how 
often they want the “idle” events, from “immediately” all the way through to 
“never”.  Some applications say “immediately” when they don’t actually need 
that, and they’ll show up as 100% on Peekaboo - but later versions of Peekaboo 
are apparently able to override it.

Audio applications are a special case; they tend to do a lot of things at 
interrupt time, since the response time of the standard event system is not 
guaranteed in the slightest (again, *cooperative* multitasking).  I don’t know 
whether Peekaboo handles interrupt-time stuff at all.  However, it should be 
possible to *specifically* measure interrupt time using a program which 
measures how often idle events are received, or which repeatedly runs a short 
benchmark.

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Re: CPU usage monitor

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On Wednesday, 24 August 2016 14:53:21 UTC+3, Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
>
> > On 24 Aug, 2016, at 11:22, Simo Koivukoski  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Is there any CPU load meter for OS 7 - 8.1? If find a 
> "peek-a-boo-12.hqx" but it is not very accurate. Usually it shows always 
> 100% for selected task. 
>
> It’s tricky, because Classic MacOS is a *cooperatively* multitasking OS, 
> and continually offers idle CPU time to applications in case they want to 
> do something with it.  It’s a very different model than a modern 
> pre-emptive system. 
>
> That said, BasiliskII is able to avoid using 100% of the host CPU when the 
> emulated Mac isn’t doing anything.  I’m not sure precisely how it detects 
> an idle condition, though.  The 68K instruction set does include a STOP 
> instruction, but I have no idea whether the Mac uses it as standard. 
>
>  - Jonathan Morton 
>
>  
Thanks for the great explanation! So there is no good way to follow CPU 
usage when playing different MP3 files with MpegDec?

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Re: CPU usage monitor

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> On 24 Aug, 2016, at 11:22, Simo Koivukoski  wrote:
> 
> Is there any CPU load meter for OS 7 - 8.1? If find a "peek-a-boo-12.hqx" but 
> it is not very accurate. Usually it shows always 100% for selected task.

It’s tricky, because Classic MacOS is a *cooperatively* multitasking OS, and 
continually offers idle CPU time to applications in case they want to do 
something with it.  It’s a very different model than a modern pre-emptive 
system.

That said, BasiliskII is able to avoid using 100% of the host CPU when the 
emulated Mac isn’t doing anything.  I’m not sure precisely how it detects an 
idle condition, though.  The 68K instruction set does include a STOP 
instruction, but I have no idea whether the Mac uses it as standard.

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CPU usage monitor

[Simo Koivukoski]

Is there any CPU load meter for OS 7 - 8.1? If find a "peek-a-boo-12.hqx" 
but it is not very accurate. Usually it shows always 100% for selected task.

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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[Scott Brant]

I bought it all on the cheap last year and actually tried all those settings.  
I gave up because I had bigger priorities.  I just thought about this again the 
other day so sent the question.



> On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Morton  wrote:
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> 
>> On 21 Feb, 2016, at 19:11, Scott Brant  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure it just needs the dip switches configured
> 
> The switch settings might vary by type of adapter, but here’s a manual for a 
> popular one which looks like yours:
> 
>http://www.belkin.com/support/dl/mac-vga_9_dipswitches.pdf
> 
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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[m black]

Contact me offline. I have an old color monitor that I am willing to part with.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Scott Brant 
<sbr...@scottbrant.com<mailto:sbr...@scottbrant.com>> wrote:

Sorry guys... I don't have much time between the family and day job, just need 
to feed some nostalgia.

The computer functions and monitor functions, I'm pretty sure it just needs the 
dip switches configured for the 15 year old Sony 15" PC monitor.  I don't know 
the settings.

I've gotten the adapters to plug it in including this...
[MAC PNP ADAPTER DB15M/HD15F (8 DIP SWITCH)]
MAC PNP ADAPTER DB15M/HD15F (8 DIP SWITCH)
( 140898218605 )
Add note
ITEM PRICE:
US $3.99

<http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=MAC+PNP+ADAPTER+DB15M%2FHD15F+%288+DIP+SWITCH%29&_id=140898218605&&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2658>
 
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/bigjohn6875/m.html?ssPageName=&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2654>
<http://www.ebay.com/myb/PurchaseHistory?_trksid=p2057872.m2034.l3391#>




At the end, I'll also buy an old Mac color monitor that will just plug in for 
$25 shipped to 64068 if you have one.

Thanks


On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Keith Jamison 
<keithjamison...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:keithjamison...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

When asking for help to diagnose a fault, please try to be as descriptive as 
possible.

What may seem like a minor thing, could be the very item that needs looked at 
first.

When any computer starts up, certain things are expected, a chime or ding, the 
sound of a fan, or a hard drive spinning, beeps, lights flashing, etc.

When you plug in your LC475 and connect it to the power, please describe 
exactly what happens when you flip the power switch at the back.

As a guide, the following should happen on a normal LC475.

1: The fan starts up
2: The speaker sounds a chime
3: The hard drive will spin up. There may be a loud pitched whine on an old one 
or there may be a 'chattering' noise.
4: The monitor will become bright.
5: An icon of a happy Mac will appear if the hard drive has a proper system 
folder installed.
6: More icons will appear along the bottom of the screen as extensions load 
into the system.
7: The desktop will appear.

If you flick that power switch and there is nothing, not even the sound of a 
fan, the first thing you check and double check is the fuse in the plug. Use a 
known working power cord if you cannot test the fuse.

Lift the lid off the LC475 and check that the battery is new or at least the 
old one is removed. There is always a date code on the battery. It's usually a 
month and last two digits of the year of manufacture. For example 10-94 would 
indicate October 1994, 02-02 would indicate February 2002.

Look for signs of corrosion (rust coloured deposits or a grey/white dust) that 
might indicate a deeper problem.The capacitors on the logic board are small 
silvery metal cylinders usually with a black mark to one side and some numbers 
printed on the top. Beneath these devices, check for a discolouration on the 
logic board. If you angle the board a little, the light will not reflect much. 
That indicates the caps have leaked. That's also corrosive. The way to proceed 
here is to give the logicboard a wash with 99% isopropyl alcohol. Work it in 
with a toothbrush. Wear gloves to protect your hands from the corrosive leaks 
and the effect of the isopropyl alcohol.

If you have a known working power cord and there is still no fan, suspect the 
Power Supply is faulty. This may be a blown fuse or a more serious issue with 
old capacitors. The power supply will have to be repaired or replaced.

Charles at www.maccaps.com<http://www.maccaps.com/> can advise you on what you 
need to do. He offers a capacitor replacement service. He can send you the caps 
you need if you are confident to do the work yourself or he can do the work if 
you send the power supply to him.

It's also a good idea to send him the main logic board and have it recapped at 
the same time. Even if fixing the Power Supply starts up the LC475, it's only a 
matter of time before the logic board caps give up and cause problems there 
also.

I have two LC475s and I have replaced the caps in the Power Supply and Logic 
boards on both. But I happen to be a graduate in Electronics and Communications 
Engineering so this is very straightforward for me.

If you ever decide to sell the LC475, Make sure that you indicate if the 
computer has been overhauled and new components fitted. That will interest 
genuine buyers. It should also make you a little extra over a broken or faulty 
computer or one that has never been recapped.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Keith



On Saturday, 20 February 2016, 14:40, Louis Ciotti 
<lciot...@gmail.com<mailto:lciot...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Can you he no descriptive than this?   Which adapters did you buy,  what 
monitor are you hooking it up to? Can you hear the startup tone?   Hard t

Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[Scott Brant]

Sorry guys... I don't have much time between the family and day job, just need 
to feed some nostalgia.

The computer functions and monitor functions, I'm pretty sure it just needs the 
dip switches configured for the 15 year old Sony 15" PC monitor.  I don't know 
the settings.

I've gotten the adapters to plug it in including this...  

MAC PNP ADAPTER DB15M/HD15F (8 DIP SWITCH)
( 140898218605 )
Add note
ITEM PRICE:
US $3.99



At the end, I'll also buy an old Mac color monitor that will just plug in for 
$25 shipped to 64068 if you have one.

Thanks


> On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Keith Jamison <keithjamison...@yahoo.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> When asking for help to diagnose a fault, please try to be as descriptive as 
> possible.
> 
> What may seem like a minor thing, could be the very item that needs looked at 
> first.
> 
> When any computer starts up, certain things are expected, a chime or ding, 
> the sound of a fan, or a hard drive spinning, beeps, lights flashing, etc.
> 
> When you plug in your LC475 and connect it to the power, please describe 
> exactly what happens when you flip the power switch at the back.
> 
> As a guide, the following should happen on a normal LC475.
> 
> 1: The fan starts up
> 2: The speaker sounds a chime
> 3: The hard drive will spin up. There may be a loud pitched whine on an old 
> one or there may be a 'chattering' noise.
> 4: The monitor will become bright.
> 5: An icon of a happy Mac will appear if the hard drive has a proper system 
> folder installed.
> 6: More icons will appear along the bottom of the screen as extensions load 
> into the system.
> 7: The desktop will appear.
> 
> If you flick that power switch and there is nothing, not even the sound of a 
> fan, the first thing you check and double check is the fuse in the plug. Use 
> a known working power cord if you cannot test the fuse.
> 
> Lift the lid off the LC475 and check that the battery is new or at least the 
> old one is removed. There is always a date code on the battery. It's usually 
> a month and last two digits of the year of manufacture. For example 10-94 
> would indicate October 1994, 02-02 would indicate February 2002.
> 
> Look for signs of corrosion (rust coloured deposits or a grey/white dust) 
> that might indicate a deeper problem.The capacitors on the logic board are 
> small silvery metal cylinders usually with a black mark to one side and some 
> numbers printed on the top. Beneath these devices, check for a discolouration 
> on the logic board. If you angle the board a little, the light will not 
> reflect much. That indicates the caps have leaked. That's also corrosive. The 
> way to proceed here is to give the logicboard a wash with 99% isopropyl 
> alcohol. Work it in with a toothbrush. Wear gloves to protect your hands from 
> the corrosive leaks and the effect of the isopropyl alcohol.
> 
> If you have a known working power cord and there is still no fan, suspect the 
> Power Supply is faulty. This may be a blown fuse or a more serious issue with 
> old capacitors. The power supply will have to be repaired or replaced.
> 
> Charles at www.maccaps.com can advise you on what you need to do. He offers a 
> capacitor replacement service. He can send you the caps you need if you are 
> confident to do the work yourself or he can do the work if you send the power 
> supply to him.
> 
> It's also a good idea to send him the main logic board and have it recapped 
> at the same time. Even if fixing the Power Supply starts up the LC475, it's 
> only a matter of time before the logic board caps give up and cause problems 
> there also.
> 
> I have two LC475s and I have replaced the caps in the Power Supply and Logic 
> boards on both. But I happen to be a graduate in Electronics and 
> Communications Engineering so this is very straightforward for me.
> 
> If you ever decide to sell the LC475, Make sure that you indicate if the 
> computer has been overhauled and new components fitted. That will interest 
> genuine buyers. It should also make you a little extra over a broken or 
> faulty computer or one that has never been recapped.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 20 February 2016, 14:40, Louis Ciotti <lciot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Can you he no descriptive than this?   Which adapters did you buy,  what 
> monitor are you hooking it up to? Can you hear the startup tone?   Hard to 
> diagnose via email what all we have it it doesn't work. 
> Sent from my Galaxy S6.
> On Feb 20, 2016 8:55 AM, "Scott Brant" <sbr...@scottbrant.com> wrote:
> I've bought 2-3 of them, but can't get it to work.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 1:07 AM,

Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[Keith Jamison]

When asking for help to diagnose a fault, please try to be as descriptive as 
possible.
What may seem like a minor thing, could be the very item that needs looked at 
first.
When any computer starts up, certain things are expected, a chime or ding, the 
sound of a fan, or a hard drive spinning, beeps, lights flashing, etc.
When you plug in your LC475 and connect it to the power, please describe 
exactly what happens when you flip the power switch at the back.
As a guide, the following should happen on a normal LC475.
1: The fan starts up2: The speaker sounds a chime3: The hard drive will spin 
up. There may be a loud pitched whine on an old one or there may be a 
'chattering' noise.4: The monitor will become bright.5: An icon of a happy Mac 
will appear if the hard drive has a proper system folder installed.6: More 
icons will appear along the bottom of the screen as extensions load into the 
system.7: The desktop will appear.
If you flick that power switch and there is nothing, not even the sound of a 
fan, the first thing you check and double check is the fuse in the plug. Use a 
known working power cord if you cannot test the fuse.
Lift the lid off the LC475 and check that the battery is new or at least the 
old one is removed. There is always a date code on the battery. It's usually a 
month and last two digits of the year of manufacture. For example 10-94 would 
indicate October 1994, 02-02 would indicate February 2002.
Look for signs of corrosion (rust coloured deposits or a grey/white dust) that 
might indicate a deeper problem.The capacitors on the logic board are small 
silvery metal cylinders usually with a black mark to one side and some numbers 
printed on the top. Beneath these devices, check for a discolouration on the 
logic board. If you angle the board a little, the light will not reflect much. 
That indicates the caps have leaked. That's also corrosive. The way to proceed 
here is to give the logicboard a wash with 99% isopropyl alcohol. Work it in 
with a toothbrush. Wear gloves to protect your hands from the corrosive leaks 
and the effect of the isopropyl alcohol.
If you have a known working power cord and there is still no fan, suspect the 
Power Supply is faulty. This may be a blown fuse or a more serious issue with 
old capacitors. The power supply will have to be repaired or replaced.
Charles at www.maccaps.com can advise you on what you need to do. He offers a 
capacitor replacement service. He can send you the caps you need if you are 
confident to do the work yourself or he can do the work if you send the power 
supply to him.
It's also a good idea to send him the main logic board and have it recapped at 
the same time. Even if fixing the Power Supply starts up the LC475, it's only a 
matter of time before the logic board caps give up and cause problems there 
also.
I have two LC475s and I have replaced the caps in the Power Supply and Logic 
boards on both. But I happen to be a graduate in Electronics and Communications 
Engineering so this is very straightforward for me.
If you ever decide to sell the LC475, Make sure that you indicate if the 
computer has been overhauled and new components fitted. That will interest 
genuine buyers. It should also make you a little extra over a broken or faulty 
computer or one that has never been recapped.
I hope this helps,
Regards,
Keith

 

On Saturday, 20 February 2016, 14:40, Louis Ciotti <lciot...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 

 Can you he no descriptive than this?   Which adapters did you buy,  what 
monitor are you hooking it up to? Can you hear the startup tone?   Hard to 
diagnose via email what all we have it it doesn't work. Sent from my Galaxy 
S6.On Feb 20, 2016 8:55 AM, "Scott Brant" <sbr...@scottbrant.com> wrote:

I've bought 2-3 of them, but can't get it to work.



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You'll need a Mac to VGA adapter. - Jonathan Morton
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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[Louis Ciotti]

Can you he no descriptive than this?   Which adapters did you buy,  what
monitor are you hooking it up to? Can you hear the startup tone?   Hard to
diagnose via email what all we have it it doesn't work.

Sent from my Galaxy S6.
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> I've bought 2-3 of them, but can't get it to work.
>
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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

[Charles]

LC’s are known for needing caps in the power supplies and caps on the main 
boards.

Charles
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> I've bought 2-3 of them, but can't get it to work.
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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

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I've bought 2-3 of them, but can't get it to work.



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Re: Lc 475 and over monitor

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You'll need a Mac to VGA adapter.

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Lc 475 and over monitor

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How do I get my lc 475 to work with my pc monitor?


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Re: Mac Classic Monitor Display Issue

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> On Sep 13, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Erica Titkemeyer <ekeme...@gmail.com> wrote:
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You seem to have a vertical collapse issue there

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Re: Mac Classic Monitor Display Issue

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the caps on the main board and the analog board are toast.
the volts are way down, not enough for proper virt deflection.


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Re: Macintosh SE FDHD Monitor not Working

[Doug McNutt]

After you get the case opened and before you start monkeying with the
flyback transformer and its high voltages have a look at the low voltage
power connectors associated with the vertical analog board.

I have found dozens of cracked solder joints and crimp joints where the 
wires fit into pins on the connectors. Often just wiggling them around a 
bit is sufficient. The pins at the back end of the picture tube use a 
multi pin socket that can come loose too.


It's possible to check for high voltage by turning the opened computer 
off and checking for a spark when you poke an insulated and grounded 
wire so that it slides under the rubber-like cover of the high voltage 
pin on the tube. It should make a spark that you can hear.  DON'T DO IT 
UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. It's a few thousand volts but not as bad 
as the 25000 volts in a big color monitor. You might well have a 
neighbor who has done things like that or even has a voltmeter for the 
purpose.



On 07/28/2015 08:47 AM, coverturtle wrote, and I snipped a bit:

Hi Carol, Well, the Laserwriter is a beast!  Quite a few are still
working in businesses, but you won't hear about it.

To determine the problem with the SE, you would need to remove the
case cover and that requires a Torx screwdriver or bit (T-20, I
think) that has a about an 8 shaft so it will reach all the way to
the two screws at the top of the case.  If, by chance, you should
have such a tool then you could remove the case top and, without
touching anything else (could be high voltage like a TV), turn off
any lights and determine if there is a red glow in the rear end of
the picture tube - that's near the connector.  If there's a red
glow, it probably means that the picture tube is OK.  If the tube is
OK, then probably you would need to replace the high voltage
transformer (called a flyback transformer) and the component board on
which it is mounted.  The flyback is the one that has the thick wire
attached to the middle of the picture tube.


On 07/27/2015 10:13 AM, Carol Mcgill wrote:

Hi, this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes I make.  I
have a Mac SE which I used to use regularly up until 15 years or so
ago.  It was put in the attic and has moved house twice with us,
until today when I decided to give it a go.  It has Claris Works
installed and I also have SoundMaster so I can tell it's working.
There is a beep on startup, you can hear the hard drive working
and then when it's ready it announces, courtesy I think of Leslie
Nielsen, Nice Beaver!.  After a while Clint Eastwood says to me
Hi there, everybody so it's still working at that point.  The
problem is I can't see anything as the monitor is not lighting up.
Are there any tips for attaching a monitor or am I wasting my
time? Is there anybody who would be interested in buying it without
the monitor working?  I have the original mouse, keyboard,
microphone and also and imagewriter printer that stopped working
(dot matrix) as well as a Laser Writer which is in my garden shed
so unlikely to be working but it's possible.  I have all the
original cables, operating system disks and booklet for Claris
Works.  I would really like to get it going though.  I also have an
old Opus computer with 5.25 winchester hard drive that I'm trying
to get to work but that's another story.  Thanks in advance for any
help you can give. -- -- -


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Re: Macintosh SE FDHD Monitor not Working

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Hi Carol,
Well, the Laserwriter is a beast!  Quite a few are still working in 
businesses, but you won't hear about it.


To determine the problem with the SE, you would need to remove the case 
cover and that requires a Torx screwdriver or bit (T-20, I think) that 
has a about an 8 shaft so it will reach all the way to the two screws 
at the top of the case.  If, by chance, you should have such a tool then 
you could remove the case top and, without touching anything else (could 
be high voltage like a TV), turn off any lights and determine if there 
is a red glow in the rear end of the picture tube - that's near the 
connector.  If there's a red glow, it probably means that the picture 
tube is OK.  If the tube is OK, then probably you would need to replace 
the high voltage transformer (called a flyback transformer) and the 
component board on which it is mounted.  The flyback is the one that has 
the thick wire attached to the middle of the picture tube.


The Imagewriter is probably good for parts or even fixable.  The 
Laserwriter - I'm assuming it's the big heavy one - may work if none of 
the parts are corroded (moisture is not good for electronics and cable 
connections.)  It's best to use a new cartridge.  The laser should get 
cleaning and maintenance which is replacing a few old parts but if it 
does not turn on, then it may need a new power supply and those could be 
hard to get. Maintenance kits - should be able to get from the 
theprinterworks (google).  When working, the big Laserwriter will draw 
about 900-1000Watts, so it's power hungry.  The laser could be very 
dirty, so protect yourself and your clothing from the cartridge dust.  
If on your clothes, DO A COLD WATER WASH first.  Heat sets the dust and 
would require many hot washes to remove, and could still have a stain.


Good luck.  Shipping will be a pain unless you can get a local sale.  
Sell the software separately if you must - it's probably more valuable 
than the hardware - possibly except the laser.  When working and in good 
condition, the laser is pure workhorse, more robust than any new laser 
on the market today and easier to repair.  The weakest point is the 
power supply, not because it is weak, but they do break and it's hard to 
find a replacement (which has been cheap and easy) and possibly more 
difficult to fix. Beware of aftermarket parts, use OEM wherever 
possible. Maintenance kits usually did come with instructions; some 
careful work is required, but simple and easy (however messy) for those 
so inclined.


Hope that helps.
Jon


On 07/27/2015 10:13 AM, Carol Mcgill wrote:
Hi, this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes I make.  I 
have a Mac SE which I used to use regularly up until 15 years or so 
ago.  It was put in the attic and has moved house twice with us, until 
today when I decided to give it a go.  It has Claris Works installed 
and I also have SoundMaster so I can tell it's working.  There is a 
beep on startup, you can hear the hard drive working and then when 
it's ready it announces, courtesy I think of Leslie Nielsen, Nice 
Beaver!.  After a while Clint Eastwood says to me Hi there, 
everybody so it's still working at that point.  The problem is I 
can't see anything as the monitor is not lighting up.  Are there any 
tips for attaching a monitor or am I wasting my time?  Is there 
anybody who would be interested in buying it without the monitor 
working?  I have the original mouse, keyboard, microphone and also and 
imagewriter printer that stopped working (dot matrix) as well as a 
Laser Writer which is in my garden shed so unlikely to be working but 
it's possible.  I have all the original cables, operating system disks 
and booklet for Claris Works.  I would really like to get it going 
though.  I also have an old Opus computer with 5.25 winchester hard 
drive that I'm trying to get to work but that's another story.  Thanks 
in advance for any help you can give.

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Re: Macintosh SE FDHD Monitor not Working

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

On 7/27/15 10:13 AM, Carol Mcgill wrote:

The problem is I can't see anything as the monitor is not lighting up.


Try turning the brightness up.  The control is just under the CRT.

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Macintosh SE FDHD Monitor not Working

[Carol Mcgill]

Hi, this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes I make.  I have a 
Mac SE which I used to use regularly up until 15 years or so ago.  It was 
put in the attic and has moved house twice with us, until today when I 
decided to give it a go.  It has Claris Works installed and I also have 
SoundMaster so I can tell it's working.  There is a beep on startup, you 
can hear the hard drive working and then when it's ready it announces, 
courtesy I think of Leslie Nielsen, Nice Beaver!.  After a while Clint 
Eastwood says to me Hi there, everybody so it's still working at that 
point.  The problem is I can't see anything as the monitor is not lighting 
up.  Are there any tips for attaching a monitor or am I wasting my time? 
 Is there anybody who would be interested in buying it without the monitor 
working?  I have the original mouse, keyboard, microphone and also and 
imagewriter printer that stopped working (dot matrix) as well as a Laser 
Writer which is in my garden shed so unlikely to be working but it's 
possible.  I have all the original cables, operating system disks and 
booklet for Claris Works.  I would really like to get it going though.  I 
also have an old Opus computer with 5.25 winchester hard drive that I'm 
trying to get to work but that's another story.  Thanks in advance for any 
help you can give.

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Re: Monitor

[J Harton]

I have a 15 Dell lcd monitor I use with my LC II, but I use an short 
adapter with dip switches that goes between the monitors VGA cable and the 
Mac. The screen is probably of a similar vintage to those mentioned below 
(early - mid 2000s).

The adapter I have is one of these - 
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-DB15-Male-HD15-Female/dp/B0016OC1J2/ although 
I don't remember it costing $13. Mine came with a foldout sheet describing 
the various settings and I had to play around with them a bit to find the 
right one.

Dell 1907FP
http://eiera.mo.gov/files/Item_Number_00359.pdf
under 'Electrical' on page 7:
Synchronization input signals  Separate horizontal and vertical 
synchronizations, polarity-free TTL level, SOG (Composite SYNC on green)
* perhaps this is a standard feature for Dell monitors?

On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 8:56:08 AM UTC-4, Scott Brant wrote:

 I've got a Performa 450 I just bought off eBay.  It had a functioning 
 photo with a 13 vintage Mac monitor. 

 I've bought the appropriate cables to physically plug it into my 15-20 
 year old Sony 15 monitor.  I can't get it to work. 

 Any ideas? 




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Re: Monitor

['Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs]

I have only ever had trouble with a single Macintosh regarding this, a IIsi, 
and I had tried several dongles shutting down and flipping DIP switches and 
restarting until the PSU finally blew on the IIsi. I still need to source three 
small capacitors. I had even bought a replacement video card and plugged that 
in with no effect.
As for my LCII, LC475 and some Performa 6XX's, I used an original unbranded 
DA15 to VGA adaptor from 1996 - no DIP switches - and an old 14 no-name VGA 
monitor I picked up in PCWorld on sale about 12 years ago. It's rated for 
1024x768 (but also works on 800x600) and works nicely on 640x480 as I have 
upgraded the VRAM to the full amount on each Mac. I have a 12 Mac monitor 
(came with the LCII) but it's in pieces awaiting a full recap.
Obviously this 14 monitor is special, maybe because of the lower resolution, 
or its age.
I did use a Griffin dongle (dView maybe) on a friend's LCIII but I don't 
remember the DIP settings. She was connecting it to a massive 19 WS monitor 
and it took about 40 minutes going through all of the settings on three dongles 
before we found one that worked.
I may make my own adaptors for other Macs based on what Cameron mentioned.
Sorry, I'm of no help to you.
Keith 


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switch settings are?  Thanks!  From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J Harton
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:25 PM
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitor  I have a 15 Dell lcd monitor I use with my LC II, but I 
use an short adapter with dip switches that goes between the monitors VGA cable 
and the Mac. The screen is probably of a similar vintage to those mentioned 
below (early - mid 2000s).

The adapter I have is one of these - 
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-DB15-Male-HD15-Female/dp/B0016OC1J2/ although I 
don't remember it costing $13. Mine came with a foldout sheet describing the 
various settings and I had to play around with them a bit to find the right one.

Dell 1907FP
http://eiera.mo.gov/files/Item_Number_00359.pdf
under 'Electrical' on page 7:
Synchronization input signals  Separate horizontal and vertical 
synchronizations, polarity-free TTL level, SOG (Composite SYNC on green)
* perhaps this is a standard feature for Dell monitors?

On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 8:56:08 AM UTC-4, Scott Brant wrote:
I've got a Performa 450 I just bought off eBay.  It had a functioning photo 
with a 13 vintage Mac monitor. 

I've bought the appropriate cables to physically plug it into my 15-20 year old 
Sony 15 monitor.  I can't get it to work. 

Any ideas? 


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RE: Monitor

[sbrant]

Can you tell me what your dip switch settings are?

 

Thanks!

 

From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of J Harton
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:25 PM
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitor

 

I have a 15 Dell lcd monitor I use with my LC II, but I use an short adapter 
with dip switches that goes between the monitors VGA cable and the Mac. The 
screen is probably of a similar vintage to those mentioned below (early - mid 
2000s).

The adapter I have is one of these - 
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-DB15-Male-HD15-Female/dp/B0016OC1J2/ although I 
don't remember it costing $13. Mine came with a foldout sheet describing the 
various settings and I had to play around with them a bit to find the right one.

Dell 1907FP
http://eiera.mo.gov/files/Item_Number_00359.pdf
under 'Electrical' on page 7:
Synchronization input signals  Separate horizontal and vertical 
synchronizations, polarity-free TTL level, SOG (Composite SYNC on green)
* perhaps this is a standard feature for Dell monitors?

On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 8:56:08 AM UTC-4, Scott Brant wrote:

I've got a Performa 450 I just bought off eBay.  It had a functioning photo 
with a 13 vintage Mac monitor. 

I've bought the appropriate cables to physically plug it into my 15-20 year old 
Sony 15 monitor.  I can't get it to work. 

Any ideas? 



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Re: Monitor

[Scott Brant]

It's all good, I only bought this for nostalgia, and only have about $100 in 
the full setup of keyboard, mouse, performa 475, 2 video adapters, video cable, 
Ethernet card, and vga switch box.

I have two flat panel monitors plugged into my dell, and am trying with the 
smaller monitor that is vga, the other is dvi.

I know the 475 works because of an eBay pic from the seller, but don't want 
another monitor, especially a crt if I can avoid it... both due to weight, 
size, and cost of shipping and purchase.

I'll get it working some day, I just have bigger and better priorities now.

Thanks!



 On May 8, 2015, at 4:32 PM, 'Keith Jamison' via Vintage Macs 
 vintage-macs@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 I have only ever had trouble with a single Macintosh regarding this, a IIsi, 
 and I had tried several dongles shutting down and flipping DIP switches and 
 restarting until the PSU finally blew on the IIsi. I still need to source 
 three small capacitors. I had even bought a replacement video card and 
 plugged that in with no effect.
 
 As for my LCII, LC475 and some Performa 6XX's, I used an original unbranded 
 DA15 to VGA adaptor from 1996 - no DIP switches - and an old 14 no-name VGA 
 monitor I picked up in PCWorld on sale about 12 years ago. It's rated for 
 1024x768 (but also works on 800x600) and works nicely on 640x480 as I have 
 upgraded the VRAM to the full amount on each Mac. I have a 12 Mac monitor 
 (came with the LCII) but it's in pieces awaiting a full recap.
 
 Obviously this 14 monitor is special, maybe because of the lower resolution, 
 or its age.
 
 I did use a Griffin dongle (dView maybe) on a friend's LCIII but I don't 
 remember the DIP settings. She was connecting it to a massive 19 WS monitor 
 and it took about 40 minutes going through all of the settings on three 
 dongles before we found one that worked.
 
 I may make my own adaptors for other Macs based on what Cameron mentioned.
 
 Sorry, I'm of no help to you.
 
 Keith
 
 
 
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 wrote:
 
 
 Can you tell me what your dip switch settings are?
  
 Thanks!
  
 From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of J Harton
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:25 PM
 To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Monitor
  
 I have a 15 Dell lcd monitor I use with my LC II, but I use an short adapter 
 with dip switches that goes between the monitors VGA cable and the Mac. The 
 screen is probably of a similar vintage to those mentioned below (early - mid 
 2000s).
 
 The adapter I have is one of these - 
 http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-DB15-Male-HD15-Female/dp/B0016OC1J2/ although I 
 don't remember it costing $13. Mine came with a foldout sheet describing the 
 various settings and I had to play around with them a bit to find the right 
 one.
 
 Dell 1907FP
 http://eiera.mo.gov/files/Item_Number_00359.pdf
 under 'Electrical' on page 7:
 Synchronization input signals  Separate horizontal and vertical 
 synchronizations, polarity-free TTL level, SOG (Composite SYNC on green)
 * perhaps this is a standard feature for Dell monitors?
 
 On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 at 8:56:08 AM UTC-4, Scott Brant wrote:
 I've got a Performa 450 I just bought off eBay.  It had a functioning photo 
 with a 13 vintage Mac monitor. 
 
 I've bought the appropriate cables to physically plug it into my 15-20 year 
 old Sony 15 monitor.  I can't get it to work. 
 
 Any ideas? 
 
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Re: Monitor

[Cameron MacLachlan]

I have and currently use an LC III with a more modern LCD monitor (a Dell 
from around 2005 or so).  I made my own adapter following this document 
from Apple: 
https://support.apple.com/kb/TA28939?locale=en_USviewlocale=en_US

Works well at 640x480 resolution.

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RE: Monitor

[sbrant]

Thanks!

 

From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintage-macs@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Cameron MacLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:53 PM
To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitor

 

I have and currently use an LC III with a more modern LCD monitor (a Dell from 
around 2005 or so).  I made my own adapter following this document from Apple: 
https://support.apple.com/kb/TA28939?locale=en_US 
https://support.apple.com/kb/TA28939?locale=en_USviewlocale=en_US 
viewlocale=en_US

Works well at 640x480 resolution.

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Mac monitor

[Scott Brant]

Anybody got a 20+ year old monitor they want to sell CHEAP?

Shoot me your offer


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Re: Monitor

[Scott Brant]

Near Kansas City MO



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 On Apr 8, 2015, at 1:50 PM, sbr...@scottbrant.com sbr...@scottbrant.com 
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 Thanks!
 
 Does anyone out there have a 68K era monitor they want to sell?
 
 Where are you located?
 
 - Dylan
 
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Re: Monitor

[Scott Brant]

Can you tell me more about the Sony dongle?



 On Apr 8, 2015, at 5:17 PM, 'Chris Tofu' via Vintage Macs 
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 It's not about the size of the monitor, it's about resolution. Many macs can 
 support different resolution, from 640 x 480 up. I do not have any more of 
 this data handy unfortunately. You need to, iirc, short certain pins together 
 for it to boot into a certain resolution. There should be a diagram or data 
 somewhere. I routinely used to make these, in the mid 90s, to support single 
 resolution fixed frequency monitors that I would find on the surplus market 
 and sell them to Mac users. I still have a couple HP/Sony units tucked away. 
  Don't just start experimenting. You need to either buy a dongle or a cable 
 (that has the pins already configured). I have a few Sony dongles in storage, 
 but on one side they plug into a 15 pin Apple card/connector, a VGA cable on 
 the other side. Probably not what the op is looking for.
  
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Re: Monitor

['Chris Tofu' via Vintage Macs]

It's not about the size of the monitor, it's about resolution. Many macs can 
support different resolution, from 640 x 480 up. I do not have any more of this 
data handy unfortunately. You need to, iirc, short certain pins together for it 
to boot into a certain resolution. There should be a diagram or data somewhere. 
I routinely used to make these, in the mid 90s, to support single resolution 
fixed frequency monitors that I would find on the surplus market and sell them 
to Mac users. I still have a couple HP/Sony units tucked away. 
 Don't just start experimenting. You need to either buy a dongle or a cable 
(that has the pins already configured). I have a few Sony dongles in storage, 
but on one side they plug into a 15 pin Apple card/connector, a VGA cable on 
the other side. Probably not what the op is looking for.
 

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