Re: Wrong List (Mac Classic)

[Marten van de Kraats]

>Hmm, I thought this list dealt with 68020 Macs as well as the 030's
>so wouldn't the questions on the Mac Classic fit here.  You have to
>pull the power supply and the hard drive cable from the motherboard,
>and, of course, you sure cannot miss the memory expansion board.
>Dale
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Re: My List

[Marten van de Kraats]

?

>Go figure... buy 'em books and all they do is eat the pages
>
>Jeff Garrison wrote:
>>
>>  My favorite?
>>
>>  The Plus..
>>
>  > Jeff
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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Marten van de Kraats]

>
>I figure it should be possible for some enterprising
>little @$#%nut to infect PC Exchange or File
>Exchange with a double virus, one PC boot sector
>virus code and one to make Exchange write the PC
>virus to any PC floppy you use in the Mac.
>
>
Considering the fact that even people that do posses macs old enough 
to run Apple File Exchange, never use it, unless they are nutcases 
themselves, and considering the fact it was used for file exchange 
with Apple II computers, which are even less common nowadays than old 
macs, you'd be indeed a nutcase to write a virus for it, since there 
would be little chance of it ever spreading.
If a DOS/WIN/NT virus would turn up on a mac, by floppy drive or 
e-mail, it wouldn't do any harm. Macs are immune to those viruses.
BTW I don't think these virus makers are nuts. They just create 
organisms that hunt down the weak and sick. It's all part of 
evolution: survival of the fittest and all that stuff. PC's are for 
the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and intellectual elite. 
Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)

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Re: My List, Mea Culpa

[Jeff Garrison]

-Original Message-
From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: My List


>Go figure... buy 'em books and all they do is eat the pages
>
>Jeff Garrison wrote:
>> 
>> My favorite?
>> 
>> The Plus..
>> 
>> Jeff


Appreciations notwithstanding, my favorite will ALWAYS be the Plus.

Again, like the bumblebee, it ain't supposed to do what it does.
BUT IT DOES.

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StarMax

[Terry Earnest]

>  Anybody out there know anything about
> a Motorola StarMax 6000/160 (Motorola
> ain`t saying nuttin without cash).It`s
> got a PowerePC 603ev processor running
> at 160mhz and it came loaded with OS
> 8.1.
> Can I hook it to my Performa 6320? If
> so,how?If not, can I steal it's memory
> (it's got 96mb ram ) ?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>


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Re: StarMax

[Marten van de Kraats]

>  >  Anybody out there know anything about
>>  a Motorola StarMax 6000/160 (Motorola
>>  ain`t saying nuttin without cash).It`s
>>  got a PowerePC 603ev processor running
>>  at 160mhz and it came loaded with OS
>>  8.1.
>>  Can I hook it to my Performa 6320? If
>>  so,how?If not, can I steal it's memory
>>  (it's got 96mb ram ) ?
>  > Any help would be appreciated.
>>
Talking about off topic, anyway...

You can connect them (just like any other mac) through the 
printerports (localtalk) and wwith ethernet (both of them don't have 
a standard ethernet card, os you'd have to get those first).

The StarMax used standard pc edo ram, the performa 6320 used the same 
simms as most quadra's and the very early powermacs. Ergo, the simms 
are incompatible.

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The Old Gray Mac

[Dan Knight]

One of the reasons I created the LowEndMac email list is to discuss the 
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The first series of articles looks at the 1 MB, 8 MHz compact Macs -- the 
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articles will delve into applications that work on 4 MB 8 MHz 68000-based 
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I hope to do further series' on the 16 MHz Portable and PowerBook 100, 
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Re: Wrong List (Mac Classic)

[Steve Moody]

At 12:45 AM -0500 7/28/2001, dhill wrote:
>Hmm, I thought this list dealt with 68020 Macs as well as the 030's
>so wouldn't the questions on the Mac Classic fit here.  You have to
>pull the power supply and the hard drive cable from the motherboard,
>and, of course, you sure cannot miss the memory expansion board.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Steve Moody]

At 11:43 AM +0200 7/28/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>evolution: survival of the fittest and all that stuff. PC's are for
>the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and intellectual elite.
>Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)

   I disagree.  I was a PC-head (I still play one at work), so I know 
the main reason most people won't go to the Mac.  It's not stupidity. 
It fear.  Most people are sheep.  The follow the leader no matter 
what.  Most people use Windows, therefore the sheep do too.
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Re: Internet in Spain

[Noël Van Damme]

>"Jay Jay Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hello Marten!
>
>I have the best  modem you can buy for connect to internet by the phoneline,
>and my provider is one of the best conexion providers in Spain. You can´t
>understand our situation because you live in Holland. Don´t fuck me, excuse
>me for the expresion,; the spanish phonelines are one of the worst in
>Europe, and I don´t want to pay a lot of money by a conexion, that in my
>country, works when a monopolistic company wants to work. Spanish acces to
>internet is not a service it´s an adventure. Spain in 2001 doesn´t have the
>same tecnology for the people that Holland or other democratic and advenced
>country. I´m angry when someone out of Spain says that bullshit; we don´t
>have t1, t3, cable or good adsl for everybody at reasonable prices.
>
>This text Marten is not an attack to you, but you have to understand that
>Spain , and his government, is different.
>
>Dagarso ç;)

Ola, Dagarso,

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Gregg Eshelman]

Not Apple File Exchange, File Exchange.
Apple File Exchange was from the System 6 era.
PC Exhange was the System/Mac OS 7 era.
File Exchange is the Mac OS 8-9 era.
Don't ask me why Apple chose to change the
newer version's name to cause confusion with
the first version. :P

And once again a person who thinks all computers
except Macs are "spawn of evil" misses the point.
I did not say a PC virus would do anything to the
Mac via File Exchange or PC Exchange. I said it
should be possible to use a Mac virus to infect
those control panels, converting the Mac into a
carrier or vector for a PC virus. 

--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I figure it should be possible for some
> enterprising
> >little @$#%nut to infect PC Exchange or File
> >Exchange with a double virus, one PC boot sector
> >virus code and one to make Exchange write the PC
> >virus to any PC floppy you use in the Mac.
> >
> >
> Considering the fact that even people that do posses
> macs old enough 
> to run Apple File Exchange, never use it, unless
> they are nutcases 
> themselves, and considering the fact it was used for
> file exchange 
> with Apple II computers, which are even less common
> nowadays than old 
> macs, you'd be indeed a nutcase to write a virus for
> it, since there 
> would be little chance of it ever spreading.
> If a DOS/WIN/NT virus would turn up on a mac, by
> floppy drive or 
> e-mail, it wouldn't do any harm. Macs are immune to
> those viruses.
> BTW I don't think these virus makers are nuts. They
> just create 
> organisms that hunt down the weak and sick. It's all
> part of 
> evolution: survival of the fittest and all that
> stuff. PC's are for 
> the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and
> intellectual elite. 
> Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)


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Re: The Old Gray Mac

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Dan Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The cutoff for this 
> series is ten years, so I can add Quadras in
> October. ;-)

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Marten van de Kraats]

>At 11:43 AM +0200 7/28/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>>evolution: survival of the fittest and all that stuff. PC's are for
>>the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and intellectual elite.
>>Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)
>
>I disagree.  I was a PC-head (I still play one at work), so I know
>the main reason most people won't go to the Mac.  It's not stupidity.
>It fear.  Most people are sheep.  The follow the leader no matter
>what.  Most people use Windows, therefore the sheep do too.
>--
You do not disagree. Everything in your reaction supports my 
'theory'. PC people are sheep, Mac people belong to an elite. It's 
just as crystal clear as the difference between nobility and 
peasants, illiterates and academics, etc.
BTW Stupidity and fear are basically the same thing.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

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At 9:53 PM +0200 7/28/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>Stupidity and fear are basically the same thing.

   On the battlefield, they are opposite.
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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[RomRider]

I am currently a so called PC user as well as a mac user but at least from
my perspective or opinion both hardware platforms are nice, it's the
operating system "the other guy" made that ain't so nice...  I'm not here to
debate just to say that I love my mac hardware just as much as my PC
hardware.. and it's nice that I can run linux on both platforms and use
those programs on both hardware...  Please lets not get into how much muscle
each or the other has... or a huge debate just nice to express opinions...




> >At 11:43 AM +0200 7/28/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
> >>evolution: survival of the fittest and all that stuff. PC's are for
> >>the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and intellectual elite.
> >>Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)
> >
> >I disagree.  I was a PC-head (I still play one at work), so I know
> >the main reason most people won't go to the Mac.  It's not stupidity.
> >It fear.  Most people are sheep.  The follow the leader no matter
> >what.  Most people use Windows, therefore the sheep do too.
> >--
> You do not disagree. Everything in your reaction supports my
> 'theory'. PC people are sheep, Mac people belong to an elite. It's
> just as crystal clear as the difference between nobility and
> peasants, illiterates and academics, etc.
> BTW Stupidity and fear are basically the same thing.
>
> Marten



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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Jay Jay Johansson]

I ´m agree with RomRider,

the mac hardware is best than pc hardware by only one cause, the mac
hardware is controlled by an  unique company and there are not troubles with
the configurations, because each configuration has the best components than
the Steve company can offer to the user by a reasonable price. Reasonable
price now,
because the pc prices has decreased, in Spain apple always is more expensive
than clonic pc, but on the other hand yo know that the components are of
good quality and you have a good service.

Macos and Windows are operating systems for users, but windows crashes a lot
of times more than macos, and macos is more useful than windows an more
helpful for do the job, macos is a very good operating system for users; in
my personal opinion the best, but also are operating systems for people who
does not want to know how the machine works. I my macintosh LC II, that I
bought to understand how mac machines works, I have the macos 7.1 and Debian
Linux, in my other pc machines also I have debian linux, I think that Linux
is the best operating system for any computer, but linux is not userfriendly
yet. So pc users are not sheep, only have to work with the most extended
system. I have to work in a wintel machine, this fucks me , but in the words
of Monty Python`s " Life is a piece of shit when you look at it" or
something like that.

Dagarso ç;)


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Re: my stash of Macs

[Alex Allee]

on 7/25/01 12:25 PM, RomRider at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... &
> system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has
> open transport built right in.

Whoa there. 7.5.3 on that poor 16MHz '020? I've got a LC with 10MB and an
ethernet card also. Do yourself a favor and go with 6.0.8. If you need the
capabilities of 7, go with 7.1, tops. Your LC will thank you.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

[Marten van de Kraats]

What you really want is an operating system that has unix
underpinnings and a mac os interface. Well, you don't have to wait
anymore for that industry's first to happen. It's already there: it's
called mac os x.

I told you so, apple produces both the nicest hardware and the best
operating system.

Marten

>
>Macos and Windows are operating systems for users, but windows crashes a lot
>of times more than macos, and macos is more useful than windows an more
>helpful for do the job, macos is a very good operating system for users; in
>my personal opinion the best, but also are operating systems for people who
>does not want to know how the machine works. I my macintosh LC II, that I
>bought to understand how mac machines works, I have the macos 7.1 and Debian
>Linux, in my other pc machines also I have debian linux, I think that Linux
>is the best operating system for any computer, but linux is not userfriendly
>yet. So pc users are not sheep, only have to work with the most extended
>system. I have to work in a wintel machine, this fucks me , but in the words
>of Monty Python`s " Life is a piece of shit when you look at it" or
>something like that.
>
>Dagarso ç;)
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Re: stash of macs pt 2

[Alex Allee]

on 7/25/01 5:26 PM, Nick Canterucci at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a original Lisa...with the twin 'twiggy'
> floppy drivesLast year, I was hanging around
> an apple dealer, talking about Lisa's..when one of the
> techs asked me if I really liked em..I said, heck YEAH!
> 
> He had me bring my car around to the back, and help me load three
> LISAS into my car..a first generation LISA and two Lisa 2's..

You've got quite an Apple dealer! That is an awesome find. I have always
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Re: Most stable OS

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on 7/25/01 5:29 PM, Steve Moody at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1) Where can I find a list of error codes and what they mean?

Macinstein.com has a error code search engine, you might want to check that.

> 2) One thing I'll never understand is why the Macintosh, with it's
> ease of use, has always had error codes that are so user unfriendly.
> Even DOS has no error message as unfriendly and Macintosh Error
> codes.  Windows 95 comes close, however.

That's because DOS has no error codes, it just crashed and required a
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Re: my stash of Macs

[Alex Allee]

Oh no, not another one of these! No wonder I'm wading through 300+ messages
on this list. :)

SE
SE/30
Classic
LC
LCIII
Performa 475
Performa 637CD
Centris 610
Power Mac 6100
Power Mac 7500
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(Probably forgot one or two, but you get the idea...)

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Re: Where to get RAM?

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on 7/27/01 5:36 AM, Jeff Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, and I'll make it brief, too. ;^)
> 
> Be careful going after 16MB 30pin SIMMS. I've rooted out two deceptions
> on this matter.  4's are a little easier. This list and Ebay or
> Timco-computers.com,  Jeffrey Garbaciewski, (forgot the site addy. )

Assuming you mean Jeffrey Garbacz, it's  :)

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Re: my stash of Macs

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on 7/25/01 3:45 PM, Kyle Hansen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It's the XL version of the LISA 2.  I have 4 G3 MT's and I want a LISA.
> Hmm.
> I am wondering if the Lisa2 XL version is worth it.  What do you think pickle?
> Others?

If I had that many G3's laying around, I'd do it. Without thinking twice.
Not even taking into account the value of any of the Lisa family. Just
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Re: Mac SE no boot disk

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on 7/26/01 12:16 AM, Tom Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Help a friend just dropped a MAC SE on me and when I

Ouch! That must've hurt!

> turn it on it ask for a floppy.  Where might I find OS
> disks for this system? Do I have to purchase from
> apple or are older versions released to the public?

What does the front say? If it just says "SE", You'll need another beige
Mac. If it says SE FDHD or SE SuperDrive, you can use any other Mac or PC.
In this case, see the pickle's FAQ for a rundown of all the steps required.
And yes, older verions of the Mac OS are free.

> Any suggestions for an ethernet connection for this thing?

Find an SE ethernet card (But NOT an SE/30 ethernet card!). Failing that,
some sort of ethernet to SCSI adapter.

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Re: Mac SE no boot disk

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on 7/26/01 6:03 AM, Jeff Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> contents to a better one. In one extreme case, I took the top off a  drive
> and spun it by hand, with an external connected, to save the data.

OK, that *is* nuts. :) But if it worked, I guess it's kinda cool too.

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Re: Hi there!

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on 7/26/01 3:33 PM, The Hypocrite at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi there! My name is Dan Knight and I run the Vintage Mac mailing list. It's
> no secret that I'm drunk on my own ego, and the false sense of power I get
> from running this mailing list makes me get all tingly at night. But I'm
> really just a big ol' hypocrite and none of the rules that I make up --
> sometimes on-the-fly, whenever I feel like it! -- apply to anyone else. It's
> just another way for me to feel better about myself.


Dude, you've put way too much effort into this. You were banned, deal with
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Re: I AM A FUCKNUT!

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on 7/27/01 1:10 AM, Andrew W. Hill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> FAT32 still has a limit though.  A 10gig partition will have smaller
> blocks than a 30gig.  Not so with HFS+.  Everything over 2gig (iirc -
> could be 0.5gig) has 4k.   Presumably FAT32 has 2^32 clusters?


FAT32 just seemed like a bridge to me. Better than FAT16, but can't hold a
candle to NTFS.
I don't know all the technical details, but a Win2k installation on NTFS
seemed quicker and more stable than it was on FAT32.


BTW, does OS X still use HFS+?

Wait, this is vintage.macs, that's OT also...

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

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--- Marten van de Kraats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You do not disagree. Everything in your reaction
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> an elite. It's 
> just as crystal clear as the difference between
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> BTW Stupidity and fear are basically the same thing.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

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on 7/27/01 11:59 AM, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The subject line is apparently randomly
> created but the text of the message always starts
> with
> 
> I send you this file
> 

Wow, I just checked my Junk folder, and Pacific Bell sent out a warning
about it. It must be REALLY bad, I've never recieved a virus alert from
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Re: Most stable OS

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At 5:21 PM -0700 7/28/2001, Alex Allee wrote:
>  > 2) One thing I'll never understand is why the Macintosh, with it's
>>  ease of use, has always had error codes that are so user unfriendly.
>>  Even DOS has no error message as unfriendly and Macintosh Error
>>  codes.  Windows 95 comes close, however.
>
>That's because DOS has no error codes, it just crashed and required a
>reboot. :)


   MS-DOS rarely crashed when I used it.  The only OS I've used that 
crashed less that MS-DOS is TRS-DOS.   TRS-DOS never crashed on me. 
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Re: Most stable OS

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>   MS-DOS rarely crashed when I used it.  The only OS I've used that
>crashed less that MS-DOS is TRS-DOS.   TRS-DOS never crashed on me.
>But who wants to use those?


Those folks who collect older computers want as many differing TRS models
as they can find. Trust me on this, I know folks who crow very loudly when
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Re: my stash of Macs

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> on 7/25/01 12:25 PM, RomRider at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... &
> > system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it
has
> > open transport built right in.
>
> Whoa there. 7.5.3 on that poor 16MHz '020? I've got a LC with 10MB and an
> ethernet card also. Do yourself a favor and go with 6.0.8. If you need the
> capabilities of 7, go with 7.1, tops. Your LC will thank you.
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Re: my stash of Macs

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I vaguely remember this has already been discussed this week and some 
wise person advised you to install 7.1 and open tranport.

Marten

>  > on 7/25/01 12:25 PM, RomRider at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>  > I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... &
>>  > system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it
>has
>>  > open transport built right in.
>>
>>  Whoa there. 7.5.3 on that poor 16MHz '020? I've got a LC with 10MB and an
>>  ethernet card also. Do yourself a favor and go with 6.0.8. If you need the
>>  capabilities of 7, go with 7.1, tops. Your LC will thank you.
>>
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>can't or just don't understand how to get a connection to a cablemodem using
>DHCP...
>
>Is there a better way than mactcp?  seems to only support IP numbers you
>enter manually...
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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

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on 7/28/01 12:53 PM, Marten van de Kraats at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You do not disagree. Everything in your reaction supports my
> 'theory'. PC people are sheep, Mac people belong to an elite. It's
> just as crystal clear as the difference between nobility and
> peasants, illiterates and academics, etc.
> BTW Stupidity and fear are basically the same thing.

I think that I would go so far as to say that most people (not just PC
users) are sheep, and hence use PCs. I did. I always thought it would be
cool to have a Mac (I remember surfing apple.com years ago, reading up on
the 7200 with a PC card in it, thinking how awesome two computers in one
case would be...), but could never afford one. Also, the very few people
that I knew that used computers all used PCs, so the hand-me-downs I got
were PCs.

I still like PCs, I just like Macs better. I use this 7500/132 (thanks Aqua)
as my main computer now, instead of my P3/533.

A vast majority of people use PCs, so when first time users ask for a
recommendation, a PC is their answer. Mac users tend to be people willing to
venture into new territory. They like what they find, and in turn, recommend
Macs to their friends.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

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> A vast majority of people use PCs, so when first time users ask for a
> recommendation, a PC is their answer. Mac users tend to be people willing
to
> venture into new territory. They like what they find, and in turn,
recommend
> Macs to their friends.
>
> Just my cent and a half.
>
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I couldn't agree with the above statement more...  Certainly building and
selling as many 80x86's as I do I am now starting to consider making
recomendations to people who are somewhat new to the world of computers to
purchase a macintosh...  One of the HUGE pitfalls of selling new users a
pentium type machine is that the damn things crash so much... <--- this
statement from a long time Pentium user...  On the other hand they are cheap
to build, I can build a basic pentium box for a few hundred dollars...  want
all the bells and whistles and it costs more but for basic tasks it may be
all you need...

What would be nice would be to have some type of supply of older macs like a
powerbook 1400cs with loads of ram in it.  They would sell as decent little
student laptops...  I don't know enough about macs to know which mac is
which but I will be spending a lot of time and a little bit of money buying
up used macs when and where I can... I passed up the chance to get a
powerbook 100 I think it was for 35 bucks... I didin't think it would be of
any use, now I'm thinking it would have been a fun little toy at least...




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