Re: Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
Thanks for the recent information, Jeff W and Gregg. I've just purchased a maxed out IIvx -- 68MB RAM, Turbo 601 card at 100MHz, uprated hard disk, uprated VRAM (don't know how much yet). The only disappointment is the mediocre Radius 8XJ video card but you can't have everything... So far I've had little chance to play but I'll check whether the Turbo 601 has been tweeked to fix the colour depth problem and whether the card will work in my IIci. Is there anything else to look out for? Oops, I've temporarily broken the IIvx by enabling the 68030 processor with Mac OS 8 on the system disk. Phil -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
On Friday, December 5, 2003, at 09:42 AM, Phil Beesley wrote: The only disappointment is the mediocre Radius 8XJ video card but you can't have everything... I like this one. This is a card that only does 256 colors, but it will do a bundle of different resolutions up to 1152x870. Have you got the Radius Quick Color extension installed (get it from Gambas site)? If not then it might seem slow, but with it I think it works really well. The big thing (for me) is the drivers work fine with OS 6. I have two in my OS 6.0.8 Mac IIci. I have used them to drive twin 21 Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 VGA monitors (via adaptors) for fun at work for a while. Loads of space to six in :-) Back at home I normally use one to drive a Apple mono portrait. Then I get 256 grey shades - and it looks good. For mono monitors that's all you need. John -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
--- Phil Beesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip So far I've had little chance to play but I'll check whether the Turbo 601 has been tweeked to fix the colour depth problem and whether the card will work in my IIci. Is there anything else to look out for? Oops, I've temporarily broken the IIvx by enabling the 68030 processor with Mac OS 8 on the system disk. Get Info (Command I) on the Turbo 601 control panel to see what version it is. Hopefully it's a later version than the one here http://www.lowendmac.com/daystar/download/software/upgrades_powerpc601/ You can use a 7.5 or 7.6 boot disk with the Turbo 601 Control Panel to reactivate the upgrade. 7.5 is the minimum System for the Turbo 601. 7.5.x always requires the enabler. 7.6.x only requires the enabler on the PPC boot disk. 8.0/8.1 never requires the enabler. 8.5/8.6 can be hacked to run on the Turbo 601 and other DayStar 601 upgrades. AFAIK, nobody has hacked 9.0 or 9.1 to run on them. = You never have to repair or replace what you leave out of the design. William Bill Powell Lear, inventor of the 8-Track tape and the Lear Jet. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi vs No Cofee etc.
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Re: Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Turbo 601 for the IIci was also sold for the IIvi and IIvx, but there was a bug in it that limited their onboard video to a max of 256 colors. Since the T601 was designed before the release of the vi/vx, DayStar never considered anything about onboard video that would do 16 or 24 bit color. After shipping off the Turbo 601 to Daystar, it would come back with a different version of the control panel, along with allowing the IIvi/vx onboard video to work properly. I've yet to find a copy of that version of the control panel. I think there's some detailed info about this at the Unofficial Turbo601 Site assuming that it is still up. I haven't been there in a long time. There's also info on getting the T601 to work or not work with later OS versions. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Turbo 601 and the IIvi/vx Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
--- Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip so unless they were installing different firmware between the two models and somehow hacking the flash updater to know the difference, a Turbo601 is a Turbo601...And the adapters *might* be the same as well. The Turbo 601 for the IIci was also sold for the IIvi and IIvx, but there was a bug in it that limited their onboard video to a max of 256 colors. Since the T601 was designed before the release of the vi/vx, DayStar never considered anything about onboard video that would do 16 or 24 bit color. After shipping off the Turbo 601 to Daystar, it would come back with a different version of the control panel, along with allowing the IIvi/vx onboard video to work properly. I've yet to find a copy of that version of the control panel. When I picked up my Power IIci with a 66Mhz T601, 32megs RAM and a 500 meg hard drive (for a whopping $10) I only had a 12 Apple color monitor. The T601 control panel window was designed for a minimum of 640x480, so I poked around in it with ResEdit and found a couple window resources with text about flash RAM. I bet the fix for the IIvi/vx was a simple matter of plugging the Turbo 601 into one of those Macs with the special version of the control panel, enabling it then rebooting and watching the control panel flash the ROM. What I've not been able to find out is how the Turbo 601 will work (if at all) in a IIci after being flashed with the fix for the IIvi/vx. At any rate, the built in SCSI Manager 4.3 in the Turbo 601's ROM seems to be useless. When enabled and Mac OS 7.6 installed, no software that requires SCSI Manager 4.3 will run, claiming it's not present. System 7.5.0 is supposed to install the SCSI Manager 4.3 Extention on Macs that do not have it in ROM, but apparently that only applies to 040 Macs prior to the Centris 610, which was the first to have it in ROM. System 7.5.1 and up integrate SCSI Manager 4.3 into the System file if it's not in ROM, but again apparently only on 040 Macs. Installing the SCSI Manager 4.3 Extention from 7.5 does not work, with or without the ROM version on the Turbo 601 enabled. Apps that require it still insit SM4.3 is not present. Apparently they can detect the base machine is an 030, not an 040 and from that refuse to acknowledge SCSI Manager 4.3. Also, Apple's 601 Upgrade Control Panel will only _disable_ the Turbo 601. When attempting to _enable_ it, it returns an error that it only works on Macs with a 68040 CPU. Thus the Daystar control panel is the only thing that can enable the Turbo 601. The Apple or Daystar control panel will work on the Power Pro or Power Card, which were made for 040 Macs. Unlike the 030 Universal Powercache, the Turbo 601 does NOT need the control panel once it's been enabled. The PRAM is patched so that the 601 is activated immediately upon power up. Zapping the PRAM kicks the Mac back to the 030 CPU. Mac OS up to 8.6 has been hacked to install onto a IIci with a Turbo 601. Attemps to hack OS 9.x onto the Turbo 601, Power Pro and Power Card appear to have been abandoned. = You never have to repair or replace what you leave out of the design. William Bill Powell Lear, inventor of the 8-Track tape and the Learjet. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
on 11/30/03 9:34 AM, Mark Benson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2003, at 04:45 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: Because of the lack of memory-chip room, and the absence of easily found acceleration, the LC III, although a little faster, tops out way too easily without enough room for enhancement. (IT WAS, asfter all a Low Cost Mac). The IIci snip Jeff I think you have picked up someone else's reading glasses ;-) I agree the IIci is a great machine and way better than an LCIII, but he asked about the IIsi, which really isn't all that much better than the LCIII. No, it's the just-got-up-no-coffee problem. :^P OK, I just gave the IIci a shot in the arm, now I can say, after two 40 oz. cups of coffee, =^) The IIsi has my vote, only slightly edging out the LC III. Why? More RAM. The LC III tops at ten, the IIsi goes to 33 megs with two 16's, one meg on board. And, with that spiffy angle adapter, you put in the Daystars I mentioned for the IIci. 68040/40 or 68030/50. Makes a fat pizza. And runs pretty well. Fully Coffee'd and Ready to Read JEff -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
On Nov 30, 2003, at 06:17 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: No, it's the just-got-up-no-coffee problem. :^P OK, I just gave the IIci a shot in the arm, now I can say, after two 40 oz. cups of coffee, =^) You need 2 more by the sounds of it OK maybe it just didn't sink in yet :-D The IIsi has my vote, only slightly edging out the LC III. Why? More RAM. How many 8MB/16MB 30-pin SIMMs have you got? I want some :-) The LC III tops at ten Naahh. The LC and LCII top out at 10MB, the LCIII and LCIII+ top out at 36MB. They also hold up to 768k of Video RAM. If you fit an LC475 board in the case you can have 132MB. the IIsi goes to 33 megs with two 16's, one meg on board. I didn't know it had a whole *1MB* on the board ;-). Of course you lose 320k of that to the video controller anyway. A Nubus Graphics card looks like a prospect that could be quite realistic if you want anything approaching (and probably exceeding - it's not hard!!) the video on an LCIII. And, with that spiffy angle adapter, you put in the Daystars I mentioned for the IIci. 68040/40 or 68030/50. Can you get a Turbo601 on that adapter? If so it has the LCIII drawn for CPU upgrades. Makes a fat pizza. And runs pretty well. Just don't try picking it up wit 1 hand... Fully Coffee'd and Ready to Read presses Jeff's 'Re-Fire' button a few times CONTACT hears spluttering I think we've got a start I'm just kidding around :-D -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi vs No Cofee
From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IIsi vs No Cofee Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:11:35 + On Nov 30, 2003, at 06:17 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: the IIsi goes to 33 megs with two 16's, one meg on board. I didn't know it had a whole *1MB* on the board ;-). You both probably know this, but the IIsi goes to 65 MB with four 16 MB SIMMs. There was a guy with the user name Sun guk or Sun_yuk or some such selling what appeared to be hundreds of them on Ebay. I don't know if he's still around. I think he was pricing them at $15 per set of four. And, with that spiffy angle adapter, you put in the Daystars I mentioned for the IIci. 68040/40 or 68030/50. Can you get a Turbo601 on that adapter? If so it has the LCIII drawn for CPU upgrades. When Daystar was selling the Turbo601 there was a model for the IIsi. Daystar claimed that the right angle adapter for the Turbo601 was different from the right angle adapter for the Turbo040. However, they also claimed that the Turbo601 card for the IIci was different from the Turbo601 for the IIsi and I've examined them right down to the placement of the resistors, and they're the same, so unless they were installing different firmware between the two models and somehow hacking the flash updater to know the difference, a Turbo601 is a Turbo601...And the adapters *might* be the same as well. Anyway, the short answer is that there are indeed Turbo601s sold for the IIsi in existence. Finding one might be challengin. Finding one where the right angle adapter hasn't been lost along the way even more so. The Turbo601 was an expensive upgrade for a IIsi with its limited expansion. It made much more sense for the IIci. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
