question about earbuds

[Jordan Norregaard]

Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm
radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from
Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my
head...so they stay in my head?  My new earpods broke, but luckily I
found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little
science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask
the same  question about the  new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any
tips?  Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears?

Jordan

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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[David Chittenden]

Jonathan,

I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like 
print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so 
it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille.

Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching 
computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. 
This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need 
to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much 
complications with computer interfaces.

A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were 
taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or 
information retention between those children and children who are taught using 
contracted literary braille.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my 
> view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input 
> Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these 
> things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and 
> technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it 
> appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without 
> appropriately robust Braille input being available.
> As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and 
> work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then 
> sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it 
> also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but 
> they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't 
> believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen 
> reader company.
> They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It 
> is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the 
> spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be 
> counted.
> There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
> phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of 
> the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better 
> bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their 
> Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input.
> What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe 
> notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it 
> comes to Braille input.
> I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called "The 
> Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids". While some minor 
> changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is.
> People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
> partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
> unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
> simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
> criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
> As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
> Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
> in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
> solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as 
> productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
> To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
> game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
> concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
> regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. 
> With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative 
> forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. 
> So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has 
> earned enormous praise and respect.
> Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for 
> a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out 
> where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk 
> killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is 
> threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask 
> Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue.
> The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly 
> concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will 
> come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massiv

Re: question about earbuds

[Ann Smith]

As much as I love Apple products, I'm not really keen on their earbuds. My very 
first iPhone, the air buds broke after eight weeks. And they wanted $30 for 
those stupid earphones. Currently, I'm using the JVC marshmallow earbuds. I 
bought them from eBay for only 1999 with shipping and no tax.
I've had these your buds for going on a year now. They come in all different 
colors to match your phone, too. They also come with two spare cushions to put 
over the ends of the earbuds. Please don't go inside of your ear canal very far 
either.
Sorry about that, please don't go in your ears very far. They have a little 
microphone inside of them too so you can make phone calls or do dictation. As 
far as any other earbuds, I always put the flat side against the flat part of 
my ear and inserted them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:02 AM, Jordan Norregaard  wrote:
> 
> Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm
> radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from
> Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my
> head...so they stay in my head?  My new earpods broke, but luckily I
> found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little
> science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask
> the same  question about the  new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any
> tips?  Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears?
> 
> Jordan
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RE: Hearing-Aids

[Donald Moore]

I signed up yesterday using the instructions further down in this message, and, 
believe me, it’s not low traffic.  Good luck Ed.
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pinky
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hearing-Aids
 
I sent an email to join this group and got a second email and tried to do what 
it said to join the group. I could not get it to work. Very poor instructions 
on how to deal with the second email. I think that is why they have a very low 
traffic list. Can someone send me the email address of the moderator of this 
list?
 
Ed
 
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juan mojena
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hearing-Aids
 
Thanks for this.  I'll subscribe also bnecause I'm interested in hearing aid 
information for my son.
 
Juan 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
Jeff,
I have not seen a response to your message. I can’t help either but you might 
like to join a list specifically
 for hearing aid users who are VIPS. it is a low traffic list so it does not 
add much to our traffic.
Send an email to bhi-l-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the subject 
field.
Max.
 
On 18 Jun 2015, at 10:42 am, Jeff Bishop  wrote:
 
Hello Everyone,
 
I have been given two choices for hearing-aids, the Starkey Halo and the 
Resound product line. I have Googled and read a number of posts on this subject 
from the list but thought I would start up this conversation again to see what 
people are thinking? Here are my questions:
 
· Do all features work (triple-click-home for hearing-aid functionality 
along with VoiceOver).
· * How is the sound quality (phone, music, stereo, etc.)?
· * Any major bugs in either product at this point?
Thanks so much for any help you can provide.
 
Jeff
 
 
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IOS foreign languange entry

[Jeff Clark]

Hello,

Is there a way to correctly enter foreign language accented letters using a
Focus 40 and and a IPad mini running 7.0?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

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RE: question about earbuds

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Jordan,

Put a small amount of crazy glue around the edge of your ear pods, then insert 
and leave in permanenly *smile*. OK, joking aside, it appears that some people 
really like thhe Apple Earpods and others don't like them at all. I assume that 
anatomically some ears just are not holding them in, I personally find they 
stay in really good for me, I can tilt my head to the side and shake it and 
they still won't fall out. The new ear pods definitely are a lot nicer than the 
original ones. I find it works best for me if I put them in with the cable 
pointing forward sort of horizontally and then I give them a sort of quarter 
turn down so the cable is pointing down. For me it almost seems that more or 
less "screws" them into my ear.

I have had ear pods break on me, but I also do use them a lot and what I would 
call "hard". I often wear them when I am doing things and sometimes I get the 
cable hooked on something and pull out the ear pods either from my ears or the 
plug out of the phone, but if you have Apple Care and they don't work any more 
I either go to an Apple Store if I happen to be near one or I call Apple and 
get a free replacement. I believe with Apple Care you get 2 free replacements 
and that just about pays for most of what the Apple Car plan costs..


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jordan Norregaard
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:03 AM
To: viphone
Subject: question about earbuds

Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm
radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from
Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my
head...so they stay in my head?  My new earpods broke, but luckily I
found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little
science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask
the same  question about the  new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any
tips?  Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears?

Jordan

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RE: IOS foreign languange entry

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Jeff,

 

I am not a braille user, but I assume this would be the same as with the 
on-screen keyboard. I speak german and do write emails to friends and family 
where sometimes I want the german Umlaut characters and I can get these simply 
b adding the german keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards. If you add an 
additional keyboard there will be an icon to switch keyboards at the bottom 
left of the on-screen keyboard, just to the left of the spacebar. The beauty 
here is that as soon as I switch to the german keyboard I can also use 
dictation and dictate in German.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Jeff Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS foreign languange entry

 

Hello,

Is there a way to correctly enter foreign language accented letters using a 
Focus 40 and and a IPad mini running 7.0?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

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Re: question about earbuds

[Destene Noller]

Hi Jordan,

I don't know if this will help you, but did you realize that there is a proper 
way to put in your Earbuds?  By this I mean that there is a right and a left 
Earbud.  The bud on the side with the volume control part goes in your right 
ear.  I didn't know this for a long time, but one day my husband and I were 
discussing why I could never seem to keep my Earbuds from falling out.  He 
watched how I put them in, and said that he thought he saw my problem.  
Apparently at least the newer ones are marked for sighted people.  Anyway, hope 
this helps!

Desi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:02 AM, Jordan Norregaard  wrote:
> 
> Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm
> radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from
> Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my
> head...so they stay in my head?  My new earpods broke, but luckily I
> found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little
> science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask
> the same  question about the  new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any
> tips?  Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears?
> 
> Jordan
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RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Joe]

Jonathan,

 

Excellent blog post as always. Only, while I agree children are crucial, adult 
professionals should receive equal consideration. I was beginning to lean 
toward using a Braille display with an iDevice as a viable solution, but your 
points give me pause. I need to be able to be as productive as I can be using 
Braille on a dedicated notetaker. The apps on the more sophisticated Braille 
Sense are great but still limited. That means I could go for a compromise, 
purchasing one of the awkward hybrids like the Braille Edge or VarioUltra, but 
it doesn’t seem as though I could fully harness the horse power of the iDevice 
if the interaction between display and iOS is efficient. Any further thoughts 
welcomed. My point here isn’t to stir up a debate of notetakers versus 
displays. I need to be productive on the move. A full notetaker can be 
cost-prohibitive. A display doesn’t seem to be the most efficient option. LOL I 
thought we’d made a little more progress.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

 

Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view 
it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple 
doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things 
aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and 
technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it 
appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately 
robust Braille input being available.

As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and 
work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then 
sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it 
also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but 
they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't 
believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader 
company.

They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is 
well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of 
Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted.

There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of 
the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better 
bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their 
Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input.

What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe 
notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it 
comes to Braille input.

I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called "The Apple 
Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids". While some minor changes 
were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is.

People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.

As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be in 
the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all solutions, 
and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as productive, 
functional and self-reliant as we can.

To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the game 
in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was concerned 
that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back regarding the 
inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. With every 
release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative forms of 
input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. So Apple’s 
commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has earned enormous 
praise and respect.

Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for a 
product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out 
where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk 
killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is threatened, 
we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask Apple to engage 
with us as a community

RE: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

In Blind Square you can adjust how early you want to hear an intersection.  You 
can set it to short medium or long.  The default is medium.

Ron & Danvers
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

I much prefer blind square. It provides more information without you having to 
touch your screen. The seeing ehe app will announce streets, but only when you 
arrive at them, where as blindsquare will announce approaching streets from a 
distance. Also, blindsquare will frequently announce your current address and 
how far you have traveled. It doesn't have turn by turn directions the way the 
seeing eye app does but you can use other apps for that. H, maybe I should 
do a pod cast comparing those 2 apps.
Original message:
> Hello,

> Can anyone currently using BlindSquare and Seeing Eye GPS draw any 
> comparisons in the current versions? I tried BlindSquare over a year 
> ago, didn't care for it and got a refund. Now that I'm finding myself 
> looking for more points of interest, I'm revisiting the possibility of 
> purchasing one or the other. It seems BlindSquare talks to map apps 
> for turn by turn directions, so what would the compelling reason be to 
> take out a subscription with the GPS app? I do like that the Seeing 
> Eye app can rely on Google Places. I trust that more than FourSquare, 
> but that in of itself is not a deal breaker. Any thoughts on the 
> current products would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

> Joe

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RE: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Sieghard,

Your problem with Blind Square is probably in the fact that you were shaking 
your phone.  Either you had it around your neck and it your phone was bouncing 
around or you were making quick moves with the phone in your hands.  I had a 
friend who had that problem and I turned off her shake phone commands and her 
problem is gone.

Ron & Danvers

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

I find how Blindsquare announces stuff very unreliable. Sometimes I walk and it 
suddenly starts to constantly announce how far I travelled as in every few 
seconds and since I have a Seeing-Eye subscription for 3 years at this point I 
have taken Blindsquare off my device. I don't need GPS that often and prefer 
how the Seeing Eye app gives me information. I guess that goes to show how 
subjective this is, just like TTS voices and bluetooth headsets.

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Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

Is there a way to request Blind Square to announce how far you have traveled?  
When I use it, it is a bit whimsical about when this announcement is made.
At 08:48 AM 6/19/2015, you wrote:
>I much prefer blind square. It provides more information without you 
>having to touch your screen. The seeing ehe app will announce streets, 
>but only when you arrive at them, where as blindsquare will announce 
>approaching streets from a distance. Also, blindsquare will frequently 
>announce your current address and how far you have traveled. It doesn't 
>have turn by turn directions the way the seeing eye app does but you 
>can use other apps for that. H, maybe I should do a pod cast 
>comparing those 2 apps.
>Original message:
>>Hello,
>
>>Can anyone currently using BlindSquare and Seeing Eye GPS draw any 
>>comparisons in the current versions? I tried BlindSquare over a year 
>>ago, didn't care for it and got a refund. Now that I'm finding myself 
>>looking for more points of interest, I'm revisiting the possibility of 
>>purchasing one or the other. It seems BlindSquare talks to map apps 
>>for turn by turn directions, so what would the compelling reason be to 
>>take out a subscription with the GPS app? I do like that the Seeing 
>>Eye app can rely on Google Places. I trust that more than FourSquare, 
>>but that in of itself is not a deal breaker. Any thoughts on the 
>>current products would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
>>Joe
>
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>
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RE: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

You can change the shake phone command to get that information when needed

Ron & Danvers


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Alexander Masic/Surgubben
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

Blindsquare anounse something like this, you have walked 500 meters five 
minutes or something like that. However i'm not shure if there is an oportunity 
to manualy check how far you have walked. ok. there is an step accounter wich 
tell you how many step you have tooken, but as i understand you would like to 
know the distans .


Anne Robertson skrev den 15-06-19 17:19:
> Hello Ann,
>
> If you look at the settings, you should find a button to open another screen 
> where you select what happens when you shake your iPhone. Shake to read 
> pedometer is what you want.
>
> I’m a bit vague about how everything else is labelled as I run BlindSquare in 
> French, but they failed to localise that particular button.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 19 Jun 2015, at 15:52, Ann Byrne  wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to request Blind Square to announce how far you have 
>> traveled?  When I use it, it is a bit whimsical about when this announcement 
>> is made.

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RE: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

Do you have version 3.0? It works in that case

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Subject: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

Hello List, 

I haven’t used my AfterShocz Bluz (1st gen.) for quite a while. I did not have 
any difficulty pairing them with my iPhone6. However, after launching Blind 
Square, I attempted to use it to access the menus without taking my phone out 
of my pocket, but all the left ear button did was to activate my music on the 
phone. I was able to use Siri, but that was it in regards to the function for 
the headsets. I know it is suppose to work with Blind Square, but I couldn’t 
get it to work. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Eileen  

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RE: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

[Ron Pelletier]

Eileen,

I told you it works with version 3.0 but I have the model 2.  I'm not shure 
either if it works with the older model.

Ron & Danvers


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Andy Baracco
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

I am not sure that those functions work with the older Aftershokz headsets.

Andy


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

Hello List,

I haven’t used my AfterShocz Bluz (1st gen.) for quite a while. I did not have 
any difficulty pairing them with my iPhone6. However, after launching Blind 
Square, I attempted to use it to access the menus without taking my phone out 
of my pocket, but all the left ear button did was to activate my music on the 
phone. I was able to use Siri, but that was it in regards to the function for 
the headsets. I know it is suppose to work with Blind Square, but I couldn’t 
get it to work. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Eileen

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RE: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Terry-Ann,

Try using SIRI.  I haven't done it lately but it did work when you asked it: 
"What song is playing".

Ron & Danvers


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Terry-Ann Saurmann
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Yes, I believe that it is now called Shazam.  Terry
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:47 PM
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Isn't that Shazam.

Andy


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Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing

Hi,

Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that
tell wich song and artis playing on radio?

Take care

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Re: Hearing-Aids

[Jonathan Mosen]

Lol it usually is, weeks can go by without any messages being sent. it just 
seems to have sprung into life.
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> On 20/06/2015, at 11:46 pm, Donald Moore  wrote:
> 
> I signed up yesterday using the instructions further down in this message, 
> and, believe me, it’s not low traffic.  Good luck Ed.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Pinky
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Hearing-Aids
>  
> I sent an email to join this group and got a second email and tried to do 
> what it said to join the group. I could not get it to work. Very poor 
> instructions on how to deal with the second email. I think that is why they 
> have a very low traffic list. Can someone send me the email address of the 
> moderator of this list?
>  
> Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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> ] On Behalf Of juan mojena
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 7:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Hearing-Aids
>  
> Thanks for this.  I'll subscribe also bnecause I'm interested in hearing aid 
> information for my son.
>  
> Juan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  > wrote:
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> Jeff,
> I have not seen a response to your message. I can’t help either but you might 
> like to join a list specifically
>  for hearing aid users who are VIPS. it is a low traffic list so it does not 
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> Send an email to bhi-l-requ...@freelists.org 
>  with subscribe in the subject field.
> Max.
>  
>> On 18 Jun 2015, at 10:42 am, Jeff Bishop > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Everyone,
>>  
>> I have been given two choices for hearing-aids, the Starkey Halo and the 
>> Resound product line. I have Googled and read a number of posts on this 
>> subject from the list but thought I would start up this conversation again 
>> to see what people are thinking? Here are my questions:
>>  
>> · Do all features work (triple-click-home for hearing-aid 
>> functionality along with VoiceOver).
>> · * How is the sound quality (phone, music, stereo, etc.)?
>> · * Any major bugs in either product at this point?
>> Thanks so much for any help you can provide.
>>  
>> Jeff
>>  
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Re: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

[Andy Baracco]

I wonder if immediate conditions determine when you get these announcements. 
Yesterday these announcements either came when we were at the intersection, 
or shortly after.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Pelletier

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

Hi,

In Blind Square you can adjust how early you want to hear an intersection. 
You can set it to short medium or long.  The default is medium.


Ron & Danvers


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Square vs. Seeing Eye GPS

I much prefer blind square. It provides more information without you having 
to touch your screen. The seeing ehe app will announce streets, but only 
when you arrive at them, where as blindsquare will announce approaching 
streets from a distance. Also, blindsquare will frequently announce your 
current address and how far you have traveled. It doesn't have turn by turn 
directions the way the seeing eye app does but you can use other apps for 
that. H, maybe I should do a pod cast comparing those 2 apps.

Original message:

Hello,



Can anyone currently using BlindSquare and Seeing Eye GPS draw any
comparisons in the current versions? I tried BlindSquare over a year
ago, didn't care for it and got a refund. Now that I'm finding myself
looking for more points of interest, I'm revisiting the possibility of
purchasing one or the other. It seems BlindSquare talks to map apps
for turn by turn directions, so what would the compelling reason be to
take out a subscription with the GPS app? I do like that the Seeing
Eye app can rely on Google Places. I trust that more than FourSquare,
but that in of itself is not a deal breaker. Any thoughts on the
current products would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.



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RE: IOS foreign languange entry

[Cristóbal]

You know, I used to switch back and forth among keyboards when writing in 
differnet languages, but now, I just double tap and hold on the letter that I 
wish to accent and wait for the little three chime sound and drag my finger and 
all the various alternative characters show up. Umlauts, accents, inverted 
questionmarks and exclamationmarks and so on. Saves me the time of switching 
keyboards. I do still have the other foreign language keyboards for dictation, 
but don’t use them any moare for typing.

The one thing that does bug me is that even though I’ve got Spanish Mexico 
selected as one of my languages with Voiceover, when I switch to the Spanish 
language keyboard, Spanish Spain is used. 

But that’s not here nor there for Braille I suppose.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS foreign languange entry

 

Jeff,

 

I am not a braille user, but I assume this would be the same as with the 
on-screen keyboard. I speak german and do write emails to friends and family 
where sometimes I want the german Umlaut characters and I can get these simply 
b adding the german keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards. If you add an 
additional keyboard there will be an icon to switch keyboards at the bottom 
left of the on-screen keyboard, just to the left of the spacebar. The beauty 
here is that as soon as I switch to the german keyboard I can also use 
dictation and dictate in German.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Jeff Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS foreign languange entry

 

Hello,

Is there a way to correctly enter foreign language accented letters using a 
Focus 40 and and a IPad mini running 7.0?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

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Re: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All, 

Thanks for the responses. If that’s the case, I’ll stick to my Voyager Plus 
where I have some function of the Blind Square app. I’ll wait to see if there 
is anything better to use with the app to get full access to the app. 

Thanks. 

Eileen 
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> Eileen,
> 
> I told you it works with version 3.0 but I have the model 2.  I'm not shure 
> either if it works with the older model.
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Andy Baracco
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 8:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square
> 
> I am not sure that those functions work with the older Aftershokz headsets.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: AfterShocz Bluz First Generation With Blind Square
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I haven’t used my AfterShocz Bluz (1st gen.) for quite a while. I did not 
> have any difficulty pairing them with my iPhone6. However, after launching 
> Blind Square, I attempted to use it to access the menus without taking my 
> phone out of my pocket, but all the left ear button did was to activate my 
> music on the phone. I was able to use Siri, but that was it in regards to the 
> function for the headsets. I know it is suppose to work with Blind Square, 
> but I couldn’t get it to work. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Eileen
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Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

 

I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my 
question.  From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille keyboard 
isn’t the best.  This leads me to my question.  Are there any Blue Tooth 
displays that use a QWERTY keyboard?  If so, this may solve some of the issues. 
 If not, it may be something to consider.  There may be good reasons why this 
isn’t available, assuming it isn’t.  As I said, I don’t use Braille with my 
iPhone, so I’m just throwing this out there as a thought.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Alex Hall]

What I've found is that I don't need braille output at all. Please understand 
this is *my* opinion and situation, and I kknow everyone's is different. I'm 
not telling you what you should do, just offering my observations, for what 
they're worth.

I used a notetaker in school and college, but slowly used it less and less. 
Today, I use a Macbook Air and iPhone for everything. Sure, sometimes it's not 
quite as efficient at certain things, but it more than makes up for that in the 
app selection and raw horsepower. Plus, the efficiency offered by Dropbox, 
iCloud, Handoff, and other cloud services can't be forgotten; sure, typing your 
notes into a notetaker might be a few seconds faster, but you'll have to spend 
more time syncing up those notes to your computer later. With my setup, I can 
type notes on either device and have them appear instantly on the other, and 
with braille screen input or Mbraille on iOS, I can do it in braille.

A lot of it comes down to what you'll need and how you operate. As you said, 
the central problem is that a display plus an iOS device is cheaper, more 
modular, more powerful, and more versatile. However, a dedicated notetaker is 
more efficient, for certain tasks, and can more easily be used on the go or in 
noisy situations. Unfortunately, there's no perfect solution to the problem 
right now.
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Joe  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
>  
> Excellent blog post as always. Only, while I agree children are crucial, 
> adult professionals should receive equal consideration. I was beginning to 
> lean toward using a Braille display with an iDevice as a viable solution, but 
> your points give me pause. I need to be able to be as productive as I can be 
> using Braille on a dedicated notetaker. The apps on the more sophisticated 
> Braille Sense are great but still limited. That means I could go for a 
> compromise, purchasing one of the awkward hybrids like the Braille Edge or 
> VarioUltra, but it doesn’t seem as though I could fully harness the horse 
> power of the iDevice if the interaction between display and iOS is efficient. 
> Any further thoughts welcomed. My point here isn’t to stir up a debate of 
> notetakers versus displays. I need to be productive on the move. A full 
> notetaker can be cost-prohibitive. A display doesn’t seem to be the most 
> efficient option. LOL I thought we’d made a little more progress.
>  
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
>  
> Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my 
> view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input 
> Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these 
> things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and 
> technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it 
> appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without 
> appropriately robust Braille input being available.
> As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and 
> work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then 
> sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it 
> also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but 
> they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't 
> believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen 
> reader company.
> They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It 
> is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the 
> spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be 
> counted.
> There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
> phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of 
> the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better 
> bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their 
> Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input.
> What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe 
> notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it 
> comes to Braille input.
> I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called "The 
> Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids". While some minor 
> changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is.
> People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
> partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
> unquestionably wonderful, while anything another

ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus

['carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone]

\HI ALL,

Of course I want you all to see and respond to this ... but would welcome 
Jonathan's input specifically after I think I saw a message a little while back 
about his wanting to use mail without the split screen.

I see from a recent tip (subject of this message) that this can be done but, in 
reading the full text of the tip, it looks like you do lose the use of some 
buttons and the landscape Home screen.

My questions are:

1)Can you easily still get into the landscape screen when using something 
like mBraille?
and 2What buttons (and in which programmes and context) do you lose by 
altering the above?

Jonathan, why didn't you want to use this method so that you could read your 
mail that way?

Oh, apologies if I have remembered your post incorrectly, by the way.  If so, 
please just let me know that this was the case!

I'm definitely changing my phone soon and, if there's not a newer model which 
is the size of the 5 or 4S, I want to be sure about the 6 as an option.  I 
don't like such a big phone and, like Jonathan, wouldn't really want to have 
the two columns available in reading mail.

Thanks for any clarification and/or further comments on this.

Carol P

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

The only Braille displays that I am aware of with a qwerty keyboard are those 
that come with the note takers that provide for this option.  Terry

  - Original Message - 
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:08 PM
  Subject: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing 
Braille Notetaker with iDevice


  Hi.

   

  I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my 
question.  From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille keyboard 
isn’t the best.  This leads me to my question.  Are there any Blue Tooth 
displays that use a QWERTY keyboard?  If so, this may solve some of the issues. 
 If not, it may be something to consider.  There may be good reasons why this 
isn’t available, assuming it isn’t.  As I said, I don’t use Braille with my 
iPhone, so I’m just throwing this out there as a thought.

   

  Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY


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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Yes, you use it the same as Siri, but I believe it is now called Shazam. 
Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.  Thank you.  Terry


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Pelletier" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Hi Terry-Ann,

Try using SIRI.  I haven't done it lately but it did work when you asked it: 
"What song is playing".


Ron & Danvers


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Of Terry-Ann Saurmann

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

Yes, I believe that it is now called Shazam.  Terry
- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Baracco" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Isn't that Shazam.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Terje Strømberg

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:34 PM
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com Strømberg"
Cc: Terje Strømberg
Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing

Hi,

Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that
tell wich song and artis playing on radio?

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RE: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

In truth, Siri and Shazam work in tandum.  When you use Siri to name a ong, it 
accesses Shazam to do its thing.  You then have the option of launching Shazam, 
or buy the song in iTunes.

Kevin

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Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus

[Matthew Bullis]

Funny you should mention this, because the newsletter I get, the iPhone tip of 
the day, has this tip today. Here's what they say. Their web site is
www.iPhoneLife.com

Tip of the Day:  
 
  
 
  How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus 

The iPhone 6 Plus with its 5.5-inch display gives you a lot more viewing space. 
And Apple engineered iOS 8 to take advantage of that extra space by giving the 
device a split-screen feature in apps such as Messages, Mail, and Calendar. In 
Mail, for example, when you're in landscape mode, you'll see the list of 
messages on the left and the text of a selected message in the space at right. 
However, you may prefer not to have this feature enabled, especially if you'd 
like to use the extra screen space to make the text larger.

You can disable the spilt screen by enabling Display Zoom. Go to Settings > 
Display & Brightness > View.


   
 

Next, select Zoomed, and then tap Set.


   
You'll see a message informing you that changing display zoom will restart your 
iPhone. Press Use Zoomed. 

Once your iPhone has restarted you should no longer see the split screen in 
your apps. Instead you will see one big window when you hold your 6 Plus 
horizontally in apps which have a special view in landscape mode, such as Mail, 
Messages, and Notes.


 
Keep in mind that you will also lose other features like the landscape-oriented 
home screen and the extra buttons on your keyboards.

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[TaraPrakash]

correct me if I am wrong. When using a note taker as a braille display, you 
can't use it as qwerty keyboard. the entry is always braille type even if you 
have a qwerty keyboard.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Terry-Ann Saurmann  
> wrote:
> 
> The only Braille displays that I am aware of with a  qwerty keyboard are 
> those that come with the note takers that provide for this option.  Terry
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Kevin Minor
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:08 PM
> Subject: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing 
> Braille Notetaker with iDevice
> 
> Hi.
>  
> I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my 
> question.  From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille 
> keyboard isn’t the best.  This leads me to my question.  Are there any Blue 
> Tooth displays that use a QWERTY keyboard?  If so, this may solve some of the 
> issues.  If not, it may be something to consider.  There may be good reasons 
> why this isn’t available, assuming it isn’t.  As I said, I don’t use Braille 
> with my iPhone, so I’m just throwing this out there as a thought.
>  
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[TaraPrakash]

Yet, this is the majority opinion. Some people may be more worried about 
braille which is a good thing to have as an option. and blind children must 
have the option to learn braille. but somehow it's apple's responsibility to 
keep the braille alive, is disingenuous in my opinion. your 6,500 device is not 
fast or durable or efficient enough even for the blind as apple devices have 
become.  those who work in the field of assistive devices have their vvested 
interest in bringing in the braille issue with some emotions about survival and 
identity. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> What I've found is that I don't need braille output at all. Please understand 
> this is *my* opinion and situation, and I kknow everyone's is different. I'm 
> not telling you what you should do, just offering my observations, for what 
> they're worth.
> 
> I used a notetaker in school and college, but slowly used it less and less. 
> Today, I use a Macbook Air and iPhone for everything. Sure, sometimes it's 
> not quite as efficient at certain things, but it more than makes up for that 
> in the app selection and raw horsepower. Plus, the efficiency offered by 
> Dropbox, iCloud, Handoff, and other cloud services can't be forgotten; sure, 
> typing your notes into a notetaker might be a few seconds faster, but you'll 
> have to spend more time syncing up those notes to your computer later. With 
> my setup, I can type notes on either device and have them appear instantly on 
> the other, and with braille screen input or Mbraille on iOS, I can do it in 
> braille.
> 
> A lot of it comes down to what you'll need and how you operate. As you said, 
> the central problem is that a display plus an iOS device is cheaper, more 
> modular, more powerful, and more versatile. However, a dedicated notetaker is 
> more efficient, for certain tasks, and can more easily be used on the go or 
> in noisy situations. Unfortunately, there's no perfect solution to the 
> problem right now.
>> On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Joe  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>>  
>> Excellent blog post as always. Only, while I agree children are crucial, 
>> adult professionals should receive equal consideration. I was beginning to 
>> lean toward using a Braille display with an iDevice as a viable solution, 
>> but your points give me pause. I need to be able to be as productive as I 
>> can be using Braille on a dedicated notetaker. The apps on the more 
>> sophisticated Braille Sense are great but still limited. That means I could 
>> go for a compromise, purchasing one of the awkward hybrids like the Braille 
>> Edge or VarioUltra, but it doesn’t seem as though I could fully harness the 
>> horse power of the iDevice if the interaction between display and iOS is 
>> efficient. Any further thoughts welcomed. My point here isn’t to stir up a 
>> debate of notetakers versus displays. I need to be productive on the move. A 
>> full notetaker can be cost-prohibitive. A display doesn’t seem to be the 
>> most efficient option. LOL I thought we’d made a little more progress.
>>  
>> Joe
>>  
>> --
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>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>  
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
>>  
>> Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my 
>> view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input 
>> Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these 
>> things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial 
>> and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but 
>> sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without 
>> appropriately robust Braille input being available.
>> As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and 
>> work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, 
>> then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, 
>> but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology 
>> company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, 
>> and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any 
>> other screen reader company.
>> They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It 
>> is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the 
>> spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be 
>> counted.
>> There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
>> phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of 
>> the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better 
>> bet than a notetaker. And

Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[kg7fa2]

Hi all, I have never tried Siri to do this, but I have used Sound Hound,
though it seems that every time they update the app, it seems harder to
find the stupid Identify music button!

Have a good one:
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RE: question about earbuds

[Rose Combs]

I started with an iPhone 4 and those ear buds were mostly okay, however, I 
accidently left them in a pocket and washed them, definitely not recommended as 
they never worked again.  I took the ones my husband had with his 5 and am 
still using them, however, they do fall out easily.  I really don't like ear 
buds but they fit in my purse, are easy to wear if one is not moving around and 
have served me will this past year when I have been away from home or in the 
hospital.  I preferred the older style but ... 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann Smith
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about earbuds

As much as I love Apple products, I'm not really keen on their earbuds. My very 
first iPhone, the air buds broke after eight weeks. And they wanted $30 for 
those stupid earphones. Currently, I'm using the JVC marshmallow earbuds. I 
bought them from eBay for only 1999 with shipping and no tax.
I've had these your buds for going on a year now. They come in all different 
colors to match your phone, too. They also come with two spare cushions to put 
over the ends of the earbuds. Please don't go inside of your ear canal very far 
either.
Sorry about that, please don't go in your ears very far. They have a little 
microphone inside of them too so you can make phone calls or do dictation. As 
far as any other earbuds, I always put the flat side against the flat part of 
my ear and inserted them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:02 AM, Jordan Norregaard  wrote:
> 
> Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm 
> radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from 
> Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my 
> head...so they stay in my head?  My new earpods broke, but luckily I 
> found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little 
> science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask 
> the same  question about the  new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any 
> tips?  Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears?
> 
> Jordan
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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I 
disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public 
presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me 
process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's 
important for fluency.
But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation 
ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. 
Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a 
single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation 
right.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like 
> print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, 
> so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille.
> 
> Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching 
> computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. 
> This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need 
> to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much 
> complications with computer interfaces.
> 
> A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were 
> taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or 
> information retention between those children and children who are taught 
> using contracted literary braille.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my 
>> view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input 
>> Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these 
>> things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial 
>> and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but 
>> sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without 
>> appropriately robust Braille input being available.
>> As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and 
>> work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, 
>> then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, 
>> but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology 
>> company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, 
>> and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any 
>> other screen reader company.
>> They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It 
>> is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the 
>> spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be 
>> counted.
>> There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
>> phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of 
>> the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better 
>> bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their 
>> Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input.
>> What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe 
>> notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it 
>> comes to Braille input.
>> I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called "The 
>> Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids". While some minor 
>> changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is.
>> People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
>> partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
>> unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
>> simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
>> criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy.
>> As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. 
>> Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be 
>> in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all 
>> solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be 
>> as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can.
>> To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the 
>> game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was 
>> concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back 
>> regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But th

Re: IOS foreign languange entry

[Flor Lynch]

Hi,

Use eight-dot Braille Input (and 8-dot output if you like) on your Focus. This 
gives you a much greater range of characters to choose from, accented, et al. 
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: IOS foreign languange entry
Jeff,

 

I am not a braille user, but I assume this would be the same as with the 
on-screen keyboard. I speak german and do write emails to friends and family 
where sometimes I want the german Umlaut characters and I can get these simply 
b adding the german keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards. If you add an 
additional keyboard there will be an icon to switch keyboards at the bottom 
left of the on-screen keyboard, just to the left of the spacebar. The beauty 
here is that as soon as I switch to the german keyboard I can also use 
dictation and dictate in German.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeff Clark
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS foreign languange entry

 

Hello,

Is there a way to correctly enter foreign language accented letters using a 
Focus 40 and and a IPad mini running 7.0?

Thanks,

Jeff

 

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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Tara, if you're referring to my comments in this thread, you are 
misrepresenting them.
I didn't say that it was Apple's responsibility to keep Braille alive. However 
I did say that just as in every other product category, it is Apple's 
responsibility to provide a product that is fit for purpose and we should 
accept nothing less. It's no different from, say, Apple entering the Chinese 
market without properly understanding how Chinese characters need to be written 
optimally. When they don't provide a product that is fit for purpose, those of 
us who know it isn't mustn't remain silent.
Let's be absolutely clear what's at steak here. Employment, opportunity, and 
literacy. In the United States, it's estimated that around 70% of working-aged 
blind people don't have a job. Yet 90% of Braille readers who want a job, have 
a job. Why? Because Braille is the only true full literacy tool we have. It's 
the only way we can write something down, and read back what we've written. By 
that, I mean that we can interact with symbols and have our brain decode them 
as a sighted person does, as opposed to having a machine read back to us what 
we've written.
Without Braille, I may not have held, or would certainly have been far less 
effective in every job I've done. I wouldn't have been able to read all seven 
Harry Potter books, and many others, to my kids with a fluency that kept them 
interested. And I would have a far lesser appreciation of how things should be 
physically laid out and formatted, which is important if one's work is to be 
taken seriously.
The Braille crisis is also acknowledged by the National Federation of the Blind 
in the United States, the Royal national Institute of Blind People in the 
United Kingdom, and the World Blind Union as a whole, none of whom have any 
particular assistive technology axe to grind.
Perhaps some blind people who get into assistive technology do so because they 
want to get off the sidelines and make a positive difference, One of the 
reasons why I moved from technology journalism and accepted an offer to get 
involved in the production of assistive technology in the first place was to 
put Braille in the hands of more people. As someone who has chaired New 
Zealand's blindness agency, and consumer movement, it's something about which I 
feel absolutely passionate. I've been proud to have played a part in 
drastically reducing the cost of refreshable Braille. When I entered the 
industry in 2003, a 40 cell Braille display, with no note taking functions, was 
well over 5,000 2003 dollars. Now you can get one for 2700 2015 dollars and the 
price needs to go lower still.
So yes, I am passionate to my very core about Braille and the employment, 
dignity, independence and opportunity it affords. And we as blind people have a 
responsibility to let purchasers, who may not have to live with the 
consequences of their decisions, know that Apple are not yet delivering in the 
area of contracted Braille input, for all the good they have done elsewhere.
And rather than defend the notetaker paradigm, as I indicated in my blog post, 
a PC with a Braille display is an absolutely viable option, far more so than an 
Apple product is at present.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 21/06/2015, at 7:35 am, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Yet, this is the majority opinion. Some people may be more worried about 
> braille which is a good thing to have as an option. and blind children must 
> have the option to learn braille. but somehow it's apple's responsibility to 
> keep the braille alive, is disingenuous in my opinion. your 6,500 device is 
> not fast or durable or efficient enough even for the blind as apple devices 
> have become.  those who work in the field of assistive devices have their 
> vvested interest in bringing in the braille issue with some emotions about 
> survival and identity. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> What I've found is that I don't need braille output at all. Please 
>> understand this is *my* opinion and situation, and I kknow everyone's is 
>> different. I'm not telling you what you should do, just offering my 
>> observations, for what they're worth.
>> 
>> I used a notetaker in school and college, but slowly used it less and less. 
>> Today, I use a Macbook Air and iPhone for everything. Sure, sometimes it's 
>> not quite as efficient at certain things, but it more than makes up for that 
>> in the app selection and raw horsepower. Plus, the efficiency offered by 
>> Dropbox, iCloud, Handoff, and other cloud services can't be forgotten; sure, 
>> typing your notes into a notetaker might be a few seconds faster, but you'll 
>> have to spend more time syncing up those notes to your computer later. With 
>> my setup, I can type notes on either device and have them appear instantly 
>> on the other, and with

Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Carol, when i raised this, it related to the iPad, not the 6 Plus, which I 
use in portrait mode and thus without the split screen. There is no way to do 
this on the iPad.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 21/06/2015, at 6:30 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> \HI ALL,
>  
> Of course I want you all to see and respond to this ... but would welcome 
> Jonathan's input specifically after I think I saw a message a little while 
> back about his wanting to use mail without the split screen.
>  
> I see from a recent tip (subject of this message) that this can be done but, 
> in reading the full text of the tip, it looks like you do lose the use of 
> some buttons and the landscape Home screen.
>  
> My questions are:
>  
> 1)Can you easily still get into the landscape screen when using something 
> like mBraille?
> and 2What buttons (and in which programmes and context) do you lose by 
> altering the above?
>  
> Jonathan, why didn't you want to use this method so that you could read your 
> mail that way?
>  
> Oh, apologies if I have remembered your post incorrectly, by the way.  If so, 
> please just let me know that this was the case!
>  
> I'm definitely changing my phone soon and, if there's not a newer model which 
> is the size of the 5 or 4S, I want to be sure about the 6 as an option.  I 
> don't like such a big phone and, like Jonathan, wouldn't really want to have 
> the two columns available in reading mail.
>  
> Thanks for any clarification and/or further comments on this.
>  
> Carol P
>  
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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Flor Lynch]

Hi,
I don’t think problems having to do with inputting Braille via the braille 
display keyboard are intrinsic to Braille or the display itself, but rather 
with the conversion to and from contracted braille. For QWERTY, there may be a 
Humanware Apex model. (It will cost a lot more. May do much better to just get 
a Bluetooth keyboard and have that, alongside braille display – if necessary.) 

From: Kevin Minor 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing 
Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi.

 

I currently don’t have a Braille display, so I don’t know the answer to my 
question.  From what I’m hearing the input of Braille with the Braille keyboard 
isn’t the best.  This leads me to my question.  Are there any Blue Tooth 
displays that use a QWERTY keyboard?  If so, this may solve some of the issues. 
 If not, it may be something to consider.  There may be good reasons why this 
isn’t available, assuming it isn’t.  As I said, I don’t use Braille with my 
iPhone, so I’m just throwing this out there as a thought.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Alex Hall]

Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. 
It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on 
one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about 
it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an 
iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the 
ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you 
start using it for math or science.
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I 
> disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public 
> presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me 
> process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's 
> important for fluency.
> But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation 
> ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. 
> Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to 
> a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille 
> implementation right.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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>> On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like 
>> print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, 
>> so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille.
>> 
>> Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching 
>> computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. 
>> This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not 
>> need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much 
>> complications with computer interfaces.
>> 
>> A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were 
>> taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or 
>> information retention between those children and children who are taught 
>> using contracted literary braille.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my 
>>> view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input 
>>> Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these 
>>> things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial 
>>> and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but 
>>> sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without 
>>> appropriately robust Braille input being available.
>>> As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, 
>>> and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a 
>>> buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic 
>>> response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream 
>>> technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen 
>>> reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser 
>>> standard than any other screen reader company.
>>> They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. 
>>> It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the 
>>> spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and 
>>> be counted.
>>> There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the 
>>> phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms 
>>> of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a 
>>> better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough 
>>> in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille 
>>> input.
>>> What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe 
>>> notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it 
>>> comes to Braille input.
>>> I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called "The 
>>> Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids". While some minor 
>>> changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is.
>>> People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely 
>>> partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is 
>>> unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, 
>>> simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you 
>>> cr

Link to FAQs regarding Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 over LTE on iPhone 6 and 6+

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I just ran across this and thought I'd post the link here, for folks who may 
wish to learn more about phone over LTE with Verizon on iPhone 6 and 6+. It's a 
pretty thorough intro to Voice calling over LTE. The main benefits appear to be 
simultaneous use of voice and data, and 6-way calling.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/apple-advanced-calling-faqs/

Keith

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Actually, with such note takers as those from Humanware, Hims and Freedom 
Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on 
the keyboards using the standard typing mode, or you can convert the qwerty 
keyboards to Braille writer style keyboards, which then use letters f, d and s 
to represent the keys for dots 1, 2 and 3, and keys j, k and l to represent the 
keys for dots 4,5 and 6.  When using the keyboard in this way, you press the 
keys simultaneously, to make your characters, just as you would, if you were 
writing, using a Perkins style keyboard.  Terry

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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Thank you for clarifying this.  Terry

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Minor" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Hi.

In truth, Siri and Shazam work in tandum.  When you use Siri to name a ong, 
it accesses Shazam to do its thing.  You then have the option of launching 
Shazam, or buy the song in iTunes.


Kevin

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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[goshawk on horseback]

there are several such apps.
shazam, which has already been mentioned here. there is also soundhound, 
music id, and music DNA id, to name a few.

Simon


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From: "Terje Strømberg" 
To: 
Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:34 AM
Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Hi,

Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that 
tell wich song and artis playing on radio?

Take care

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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

But are they all VO accessible?  Terry

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:38 PM
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there are several such apps.
shazam, which has already been mentioned here. there is also soundhound,
music id, and music DNA id, to name a few.

Simon


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From: "Terje Strømberg" 

To: 
Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:34 AM
Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Hi,

Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that
tell wich song and artis playing on radio?

Take care

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Typing with a brilliant VI 32 on Mac and iOS

[Kim Crawford]

Is it possible to type with the brilliant VI 32 on the Mac and iOS as well  I 
did try on the iOS device but my didn't work when I tried entering with 
contracted braille or 8 dot Braille so some assistance would definitely be 
appreciated thank you for all your help

independent consultant for Nyr Organic 
www.us.nyrorganic.com/shop/nyrokim
Sent from Kim's iPhone

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Andy Baracco]

It would be much cheaper to get a small bluetooth Braille display and a 
bluetooth keyboard for your QWERTY input.

Andy

From: Terry-Ann Saurmann 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Actually, with such note takers as those from Humanware, Hims and Freedom 
Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on 
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[no subject]

[Alan Lemly]

Hello List,

 

Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15.
Since I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the
latest version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I
thought I'd share my experience.

 

I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short
time getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO
swipes, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with
VoiceOver. The only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed
with the Fleksy keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be
turned off I believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy
Keyboard. The other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS
keyboard but when I found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy
keyboard to one showing the spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by
doing a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved.

 

I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to
function as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my
experience with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard.

 

I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes
apps and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone
6 running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also
did a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that
the upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of
my phone post installation.

 

However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the
event that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after
resetting my phone. Trying to do a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy
keyboard to switch between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and
the one with it stopped working. In fact, trying to type anything with
Fleksy Keyboard stopped working and I would hear the word "keypad" announced
when attempting to type with the keyboard. Removing and reloading the Fleksy
keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards had no effect in correcting the
problem. Then, I tried using the Fleksy VO app and it was totally messed up
too. This is what I've experienced with past upgrades of the Fleksy Keyboard
app but at least the problems took longer to appear.

 

I ended up restoring my iTunes encrypted backup I had made before testing
the Fleksy Keyboard upgrade in order to return to a functioning Fleksy VO
app upon which I depend mightily for iPhone input.

 

I guess I'll be hopeful that they'll eventually get Fleksy Keyboard to
function well for VoiceOver users but I'm more than a little discouraged and
a lot pessimistic.

 

Alan Lemly

 

 

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Flor Lynch]

Succinctly put, and in context. 

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
It would be much cheaper to get a small bluetooth Braille display and a 
bluetooth keyboard for your QWERTY input.

Andy

From: Terry-Ann Saurmann 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
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Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on 
the keyboards using the standard typing mode, or you can convert the qwerty 
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to represent the keys for dots 1, 2 and 3, and keys j, k and l to represent the 
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keys simultaneously, to make your characters, just as you would, if you were 
writing, using a Perkins style keyboard.  Terry
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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[goshawk on horseback]

haven't really used soundhound, but have heard that it is, the others I have 
used, and found them all perfectly usable.

Simon


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From: "Terry-Ann Saurmann" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing


But are they all VO accessible?  Terry

- Original Message - 
From: "goshawk on horseback" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing


there are several such apps.
shazam, which has already been mentioned here. there is also soundhound,
music id, and music DNA id, to name a few.

Simon


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From: "Terje Strømberg" 
To: 
Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:34 AM
Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing


Hi,

Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that
tell wich song and artis playing on radio?

Take care

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Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Terry-Ann Saurmann]

Yes, from a cost point of view, I would agree.  In addition, you would still 
have excellent portability, though you are now dealing with three devices.  
Terry

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  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice


  Succinctly put, and in context. 

  From: Andy Baracco 
  Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:49 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
  It would be much cheaper to get a small bluetooth Braille display and a 
bluetooth keyboard for your QWERTY input.

  Andy

  From: Terry-Ann Saurmann 
  Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:08 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Do any of the Braille displays use a QWERTY keyboard? RE: 
Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
  Actually, with such note takers as those from Humanware, Hims and Freedom 
Scientific, that use a Braille display and a qwerty keyboard, you can type on 
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raising volumes on the iPhone

[Kristeen Hughes]

Hello,
I have somehow managed to get my volumes for Siri and for voicemail to be so 
low that I cannot hear them. I don’t know this happened. All other volumes seem 
to be fine. Is there a way to fix this? I have looked in settings under Siri 
and sounds, but have found nothing and don’t know where to look.

Thanks.

Kristeen

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RE: Link to FAQs regarding Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 over LTE on iPhone 6 and 6+

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, Thanks for this. The quality of the call is also better. It is not as clear 
as Skype or Face Time. It's more like a very good land line call, but it sure 
beats normal cell phone quality.

Neal


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Subject: Link to FAQs regarding Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 over LTE on 
iPhone 6 and 6+

Hi,

I just ran across this and thought I'd post the link here, for folks who may 
wish to learn more about phone over LTE with Verizon on iPhone 6 and 6+. It's a 
pretty thorough intro to Voice calling over LTE. The main benefits appear to be 
simultaneous use of voice and data, and 6-way calling.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/apple-advanced-calling-faqs/

Keith

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Re: Link to FAQs regarding Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 over LTE on iPhone 6 and 6+

[Brent Harding]

Is this related to the wifi calling Sprint and TMobile have? I would imagine 
this is Sprint's first step towards doing it this way over LTE as well.


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To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:07 PM
Subject: Link to FAQs regarding Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 over LTE on 
iPhone 6 and 6+



Hi,

I just ran across this and thought I'd post the link here, for folks who may 
wish to learn more about phone over LTE with Verizon on iPhone 6 and 6+. 
It's a pretty thorough intro to Voice calling over LTE. The main benefits 
appear to be simultaneous use of voice and data, and 6-way calling.


http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/apple-advanced-calling-faqs/

Keith

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Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience

[Alan Lemly]

Sending this again but this time with a subject.

Hello List,
 
Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15. Since 
I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the latest 
version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I thought I'd 
share my experience.
 
I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short time 
getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO swipes, I 
was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with VoiceOver. The 
only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed with the Fleksy 
keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be turned off I 
believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy Keyboard. The 
other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS keyboard but when I 
found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy keyboard to one showing the 
spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by doing a two-finger swipe up on 
the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved.
 
I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to function 
as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my experience 
with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard.
 
I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes apps 
and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone 6 
running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also did 
a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that the 
upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of my 
phone post installation.
 
However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the event 
that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after resetting my 
phone. Trying to do a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard to switch 
between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and the one with it stopped 
working. In fact, trying to type anything with Fleksy Keyboard stopped working 
and I would hear the word "keypad" announced when attempting to type with the 
keyboard. Removing and reloading the Fleksy keyboard in Settings, General, 
Keyboards had no effect in correcting the problem. Then, I tried using the 
Fleksy VO app and it was totally messed up too. This is what I've experienced 
with past upgrades of the Fleksy Keyboard app but at least the problems took 
longer to appear.
 
I ended up restoring my iTunes encrypted backup I had made before testing the 
Fleksy Keyboard upgrade in order to return to a functioning Fleksy VO app upon 
which I depend mightily for iPhone input.
 
I guess I'll be hopeful that they'll eventually get Fleksy Keyboard to function 
well for VoiceOver users but I'm more than a little discouraged and a lot 
pessimistic.
 
Alan Lemly
 
 

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Typing in 8 dot or contracted braille on the iOS with a brilliant bi 32

[Kim Crawford]

I looked at the manual for the brilliant and it said you had to use the 8 dot 
Braille or you could also use contracted braille The manual also explained that 
the space bar  needed to be used as well you needed to use your space bar is 
supposed to be used with the letters or 8.mode you wanted to type I did try 
this and nothing happened
I would appreciate some assistance from anybody that knows how to use the 
brilliant with the iOS device thank you i'm using the braille keyboard 

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Re: Typing with a brilliant VI 32 on Mac and iOS

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,

I used to have a Brailliant 32. I am not sure what kind of problems you are 
having. When typing, you have to enter a space before it will enter it on the 
device. Please contact me if you need more help. I realy am not sure what kind 
of help you need. 

Jenn

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> On Jun 20, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Kim Crawford  wrote:
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> Is it possible to type with the brilliant VI 32 on the Mac and iOS as well  I 
> did try on the iOS device but my didn't work when I tried entering with 
> contracted braille or 8 dot Braille so some assistance would definitely be 
> appreciated thank you for all your help
> 
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Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing

[Jennie Facer]

Yes. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Terry-Ann Saurmann  
> wrote:
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> But are they all VO accessible?  Terry
> 
> - Original Message - From: "goshawk on horseback" 
> 
> To: 
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> 
> 
> there are several such apps.
> shazam, which has already been mentioned here. there is also soundhound,
> music id, and music DNA id, to name a few.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Terje Strømberg" 
> To: 
> Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:34 AM
> Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that
> tell wich song and artis playing on radio?
> 
> Take care
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Re: raising volumes on the iPhone

[Alex Hall]

I'm not sure about voicemail, but Siri is easy. While Siri is active, just hit 
the 'volume up' button until you're happy with the setting. I've heard that 
holding the Home button while hitting 'volume up' can also change Siri's volume 
without Siri being open.
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I have somehow managed to get my volumes for Siri and for voicemail to be so 
> low that I cannot hear them. I don’t know this happened. All other volumes 
> seem to be fine. Is there a way to fix this? I have looked in settings under 
> Siri and sounds, but have found nothing and don’t know where to look.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kristeen
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good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[Casey]

hi I only need a single ear piece.
For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans 
elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to 
use it in.
Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so 
witch ones and how well do you like them?

That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.


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RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[Jim Portillo]

I've recently begun playing with the Motorola Whisper, and I am very happy with 
its sound quality.  You can also use the microphone boom for better quality.

Jim


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hi I only need a single ear piece.
For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation 
and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in.
Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones 
and how well do you like them?
That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.


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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[denise avant]

Hello all,
Sometimes I wonder if just because we ask Apple to provide better Braille 
display  support, people think we are unnecessarily critical  of Apple. I am 
forever grateful to Apple for building in accessibility to all of its products. 
What Apple has done over the last six years is positively wonderful. I never 
thought I’d be able to do so many things with a visual device, and pay the same 
price as everyone else.  But that does not mean that blind people cannot and 
should not point out a flaw and demand better in a product. I listen to other 
podcasts having nothing to do with accessibility and Apple, and the sighted 
community is not hesitant to say when something needs to work better. 
If one of the screen reader companies fails to provide proper Braille display 
support in Windows, those of us, who use Windows are all over the company. 
Requesting good Braille input and output on an Apple device is not a ridiculous 
one. apple is the only one who can make the braille display support better. I 
don’t know if Apple cannot or will not make the Braille experience better. But 
voiceover belongs to apple, and I applaude those who are willing to stand up 
and ask for better.
Jonathan talks about the children all of the time. But blind adults need to be 
literate as well. 
 Perhaps people have their own reasons for wanting to simply rely on speech 
output. but I know there are times when people who cannot see well enough to 
read the screen need to use Braille.
If someone has a hearing impairment in addition to blindness, then a Braille 
display with an Apple device may be essential to using the device.
Also, there may be times when you need to read and write Braille without 
disturbing others or having the constant feedback of the speech.

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:35 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Yet, this is the majority opinion. Some people may be more worried about 
> braille which is a good thing to have as an option. and blind children must 
> have the option to learn braille. but somehow it's apple's responsibility to 
> keep the braille alive, is disingenuous in my opinion. your 6,500 device is 
> not fast or durable or efficient enough even for the blind as apple devices 
> have become.  those who work in the field of assistive devices have their 
> vvested interest in bringing in the braille issue with some emotions about 
> survival and identity. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> What I've found is that I don't need braille output at all. Please 
>> understand this is *my* opinion and situation, and I kknow everyone's is 
>> different. I'm not telling you what you should do, just offering my 
>> observations, for what they're worth.
>> 
>> I used a notetaker in school and college, but slowly used it less and less. 
>> Today, I use a Macbook Air and iPhone for everything. Sure, sometimes it's 
>> not quite as efficient at certain things, but it more than makes up for that 
>> in the app selection and raw horsepower. Plus, the efficiency offered by 
>> Dropbox, iCloud, Handoff, and other cloud services can't be forgotten; sure, 
>> typing your notes into a notetaker might be a few seconds faster, but you'll 
>> have to spend more time syncing up those notes to your computer later. With 
>> my setup, I can type notes on either device and have them appear instantly 
>> on the other, and with braille screen input or Mbraille on iOS, I can do it 
>> in braille.
>> 
>> A lot of it comes down to what you'll need and how you operate. As you said, 
>> the central problem is that a display plus an iOS device is cheaper, more 
>> modular, more powerful, and more versatile. However, a dedicated notetaker 
>> is more efficient, for certain tasks, and can more easily be used on the go 
>> or in noisy situations. Unfortunately, there's no perfect solution to the 
>> problem right now.
>>> On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Joe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>>  
>>> Excellent blog post as always. Only, while I agree children are crucial, 
>>> adult professionals should receive equal consideration. I was beginning to 
>>> lean toward using a Braille display with an iDevice as a viable solution, 
>>> but your points give me pause. I need to be able to be as productive as I 
>>> can be using Braille on a dedicated notetaker. The apps on the more 
>>> sophisticated Braille Sense are great but still limited. That means I could 
>>> go for a compromise, purchasing one of the awkward hybrids like the Braille 
>>> Edge or VarioUltra, but it doesn’t seem as though I could fully harness the 
>>> horse power of the iDevice if the interaction between display and iOS is 
>>> efficient. Any further thoughts welcomed. My point here isn’t to stir up a 
>>> debate of notetakers versus displays. I need to be productive on the move. 
>>> A full notetaker can be cost-prohibitive. A display doesn’t seem to be the 
>>> most 

Re: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[Andy Baracco]

I have and enjoy the Plantronics Voyager legend. It does all you say and can 
be worn on either ear. The newer model is the Voyager Edge, and some prefer 
it to the legend because it can be charged by Micro USB as opposed to the 
proprietary magnetic charging system that the Legend uses.


Andy


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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

hi I only need a single ear piece.
For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans
elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to
use it in.
Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so
witch ones and how well do you like them?
That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.


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My speaker phone and speaker quality

[princessterri76]

Hello everyone,

I have some questions about my phones speaker. I am hoping someone can help me. 

First of all why does my phone go to the speaker so much? Is there anything I 
can do to prevent this from happening? It really drives me crazy!

By the way I have a 4s. 

Also when my phone does go to speaker, I am told that the sound is muffled. I 
am told that I sound like I am in a hole. 
Is there a way to fix this?

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri

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Calendar events in different timezones

[Wayne Merritt]

All,
I asked this question a few months ago, but want to make sure I
understand everything once again. I am going to Orlando for the NFB
national convention in a couple of weeks. I live in the Central
timezone. However, since I am scheduling a few appointments using
Fantastical 2 which happen in Florida, I want to make sure my times
and appointments will not get all messed up when I get to Florida. I
have timezone support on my phone turned on, so does that mean that
when I go from Central to Eastern that my appointments will
automatically adjust the time or will they stay at the same time? I
find this whole issue of changing timezones very confusing so could
someone please explain simply and put me at ease.

Thanks,
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Re: Calendar events in different timezones

[David Chittenden]

This is one of the benefits of using the native calendar in iOS. When I select 
the timezone I desire for an appointment, calendar automatically makes the 
appropriate adjustments based on my location.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 21 Jun 2015, at 15:49, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> All,
> I asked this question a few months ago, but want to make sure I
> understand everything once again. I am going to Orlando for the NFB
> national convention in a couple of weeks. I live in the Central
> timezone. However, since I am scheduling a few appointments using
> Fantastical 2 which happen in Florida, I want to make sure my times
> and appointments will not get all messed up when I get to Florida. I
> have timezone support on my phone turned on, so does that mean that
> when I go from Central to Eastern that my appointments will
> automatically adjust the time or will they stay at the same time? I
> find this whole issue of changing timezones very confusing so could
> someone please explain simply and put me at ease.
> 
> Thanks,
> Wayne
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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[TaraPrakash]

All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern 
about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are  more 
successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure 
the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to 
me..)
The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen 
reader company etc  What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple 
shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are specialists 
for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist companies 
are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my 
suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to 
Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these 
companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of 
blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and 
Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of their 
note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate without 
Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell close to 
6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to have these 
devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the blind and it 
has been established that blind are more successful if they learn braille? Even 
if they well their devices without Braille, is it acceptable that they charge 
so much extra for their Braille note takers? I would like some comments on that.
Now, you may say that it's okay charge me extra but give me a better braille 
support but I am not sure if that will be acceptable to those who seem to speak 
for all of us with regard to braille. 
I am sorry I do not want to cause any debate about this issue on this list, but 
when someone linked with blindness "speciality" devices and software suggest 
that if apple has come in to screen reading support , it has to be perfect, I 
find myself very skeptical about the added justiification about survival of 
braille and literacy etc. True apple's braille support is not perfect, but it 
will be wrong to assume that a dedicated note taker is going to perform any 
better for you than an I device with a braille display. braille note takers are 
improving but they are not still the paragons of perfection. the makers of 
those devices claim that they are fully functional computers, those who have 
those note takers know that they are anything but. They are still slow, clunky 
and love to hang from time to time. I would suggest to schedule a meeting with 
an organization that sells these note takers, and work on them for an hour or 
so. make sure to try their web browser, and their capacity to play large books. 
and then decide about purchasing a dedicated note taker.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:29 PM, denise avant  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> Sometimes I wonder if just because we ask Apple to provide better Braille 
> display  support, people think we are unnecessarily critical  of Apple. I am 
> forever grateful to Apple for building in accessibility to all of its 
> products. What Apple has done over the last six years is positively 
> wonderful. I never thought I’d be able to do so many things with a visual 
> device, and pay the same price as everyone else.  But that does not mean that 
> blind people cannot and should not point out a flaw and demand better in a 
> product. I listen to other podcasts having nothing to do with accessibility 
> and Apple, and the sighted community is not hesitant to say when something 
> needs to work better. 
> If one of the screen reader companies fails to provide proper Braille display 
> support in Windows, those of us, who use Windows are all over the company. 
> Requesting good Braille input and output on an Apple device is not a 
> ridiculous one. apple is the only one who can make the braille display 
> support better. I don’t know if Apple cannot or will not make the Braille 
> experience better. But voiceover belongs to apple, and I applaude those who 
> are willing to stand up and ask for better.
> Jonathan talks about the children all of the time. But blind adults need to 
> be literate as well. 
>  Perhaps people have their own reasons for wanting to simply rely on speech 
> output. but I know there are times when people who cannot see well enough to 
> read the screen need to use Braille.
> If someone has a hearing impairment in addition to blindness, then a Braille 
> display with an Apple device may be essential to using the device.
> Also, there may be times when you need to read and write Braille without 
> disturbing others or having the constant feedback of the speech.
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2015, at 2:35 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
>> 
>> Yet, this is the majority opinion. Some people may be more worried about 
>> braille which is a good thing t

RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[Cristóbal]

I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I 
really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just 
flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models 
through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so 
good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch 
instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the 
M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. 
Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager 
Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. 
Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial.
Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts.

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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

hi I only need a single ear piece.
For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation 
and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in.
Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones 
and how well do you like them?
That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.


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Re: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[TaraPrakash]

II bought something called BT glasses. you wear it like glasses and you have 
two earbuds attached on both sides which can be adjusted according to the size 
of you ears. has four bottons on the right side of the glasses. does my job 
fine. but not sure how good it is for music buffs. I primarily listen to 
podcasts on it. voiceover sounds fine too. call quality is not amazing when you 
talk using it, but for short calls works fine. I am happy with it, but as I 
said I don't do a lot of listening on bluetooth headsets, only when it is 
charging, My iphone I mean.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What 
> I really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could 
> just flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few 
> models through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So 
> far, so good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the 
> power switch instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn 
> on. I tried the M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just 
> was not convinced. Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my 
> hand. The Voyager Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the 
> $80.00 price tag. Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being 
> anything sepcial.
> Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Casey
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted
> 
> hi I only need a single ear piece.
> For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation 
> and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
> I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it 
> in.
> Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch 
> ones and how well do you like them?
> That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.
> 
> 
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Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice

[Jonathan Mosen]

Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments.
In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying 
they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on 
this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to 
be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've 
written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point.
I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any 
other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, 
this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers 
objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, 
consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps providers.
Let me reiterate that I don't beleive a notetaker is the best choice in all 
situations. A good PC or Windows tablet will be far cheaper, and in some cases, 
far better, for many people.

Jonathan Mosen,
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology information, eBooks and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 21/06/2015, at 4:19 pm, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's 
> concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are  
> more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not 
> sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response 
> addressed to me..)
> The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen 
> reader company etc  What I read in that comment is a suggestion that 
> Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are 
> specialists for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist 
> companies 
> are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my 
> suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to 
> Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these 
> companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of 
> blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and 
> Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of 
> their note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate 
> without Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell 
> close to 6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to 
> have these devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the 
> blind and it has been established that blind are more successful if they 
> learn braille? Even if they well their devices without Braille, is it 
> acceptable that they charge so much extra for their Braille note takers? I 
> would like some comments on that.
> Now, you may say that it's okay charge me extra but give me a better braille 
> support but I am not sure if that will be acceptable to those who seem to 
> speak for all of us with regard to braille. 
> I am sorry I do not want to cause any debate about this issue on this list, 
> but when someone linked with blindness "speciality" devices and software 
> suggest that if apple has come in to screen reading support , it has to be 
> perfect, I find myself very skeptical about the added justiification about 
> survival of braille and literacy etc. True apple's braille support is not 
> perfect, but it will be wrong to assume that a dedicated note taker is going 
> to perform any better for you than an I device with a braille display. 
> braille note takers are improving but they are not still the paragons of 
> perfection. the makers of those devices claim that they are fully functional 
> computers, those who have those note takers know that they are anything but. 
> They are still slow, clunky and love to hang from time to time. I would 
> suggest to schedule a meeting with an organization that sells these note 
> takers, and work on them for an hour or so. make sure to try their web 
> browser, and their capacity to play large books. and then decide about 
> purchasing a dedicated note taker.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:29 PM, denise avant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Sometimes I wonder if just because we ask Apple to provide better Braille 
>> display  support, people think we are unnecessarily critical  of Apple. I am 
>> forever grateful to Apple for building in accessibility to all of its 
>> products. What Apple has done over the last six years is positively 
>> wonderful. I never thought I’d be able to do so many things with a visual 
>> device, and pay the same price as everyone else.  But that does not mean 
>> that blind people cannot and should not point out a flaw and demand better 
>> in a product. I listen to other podcasts having nothing to do with 
>> accessibility and Apple, and the sighted community is not hesitant to say 
>> when something needs to work

RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

I strongly recommend against purchasing a Plantronics Legend Bluetooth headset. 
 A friend of mine just purchased one and I can honestly say, in my opinion, it 
does not hold up to the standard I have come to expect from Plantronics.  Add 
to that the fact that the Legend uses a proprietary charging connector.  

The following is an excerpt from a post I sent to the list a while ago 
regarding my current and, might I add, favorite Bluetooth headset:

[begin excerpt]:
But to be quite honest, my absolute favorite model, at this point in time, for 
GPS navigation, podcasts, phone discussions, SMS replies etc, is my tiny little 
Plantronics Edge Bluetooth device.  It is a one-ear headset.  To me, it does 
not impede any ambient noise and is so light that I often forget I am wearing 
it.  It has all of the advanced features common to all high end Bluetooth 
devices including the ability to pause playback of music/podcasts.

It is so small that it sits in the ear but does not go into the ear canal.
It does not require the use of an over-the-ear hook.

It is a fabulous piece of technology.  
[END EXCERPT]

Mark

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Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I 
really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just 
flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models 
through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so 
good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch 
instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the 
M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. 
Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager 
Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. 
Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial.
Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Casey
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted

hi I only need a single ear piece.
For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation 
and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them.
I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in.
Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones 
and how well do you like them?
That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get.


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RE: My speaker phone and speaker quality

[M. Taylor]

Hello Teri,

Is your 4 S in a phone case?  If so, I strongly suggest that you remove it from 
the case and see what happens.  

Many of the cases made for the 4 / 4 S were not designed correctly and, 
consequently, caused the problems that you described.  

Also, make sure that you restart the phone at least once a day.

Good Luck,

Mark

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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My speaker phone and speaker quality

Hello everyone,

I have some questions about my phones speaker. I am hoping someone can help me. 

First of all why does my phone go to the speaker so much? Is there anything I 
can do to prevent this from happening? It really drives me crazy!

By the way I have a 4s. 

Also when my phone does go to speaker, I am told that the sound is muffled. I 
am told that I sound like I am in a hole. 
Is there a way to fix this?

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri

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