Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

[billy inglis]

hi again Sieghard, As you mentioned in your post.
Would Kodi be accessible with voice over?, Billy



On 04/11/2016 23:04, gs wrote:

Sieghard -
I am going to look into this because I do have a third generation that's going 
to go to waste if I upgrade. I have experimented with Cody under Windows but 
the speech was clunky and did not work for everything at the time. I do not 
know if there have been improvements since then. There was no way to use it 
under OS X with Voiceover at the time I was looking at it. Having it on an 
Apple TV would be great!

On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

There is no official Kodi app you can simply download, if there were of course 
there would be no reason why companies would sell an Apple TV with Kodi 
installed for an upcharge. It would appear that you can sideload Kodi using 
Xcode, of course this is probably something a lot of people can't do because I 
believe you definitely need a Mac for this so if you are a PC user as far as I 
know this is not possible.
Apparently all of us with an old Apple TV 2 could jailbreak it and install Kodi 
on it and hence have an accessible box with Kodi. Something I may look into.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
billy inglis
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 3:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

HI Chris, I have found a company here in the UK, where the new apple 4 tv can 
be purchased with Kodi already installed, or Kodi can be installed for you on 
an existent apple tv. The apple tv with Kodi is costed at £185 and for an 
existent apple tv £25 for Kodi to be installed, Billy



 On 02/11/2016 20:44, christopher hallsworth wrote:

I got mine from Apple directly but am sure that's not the only place you can 
get it from. There is one certain exception and that is Amazon who claims it is 
for competitive reasons they are not allowing the sale of Apple TV.



On 1 Nov 2016, at 14:10, Billy Inglis  wrote:

hi guys, Just wondering, if Apple is the only place I can purchase an
Apple tv here in the UK?, bBilly

On 31/10/2016 19:54, Terri Stimmel wrote:

Hello Mary, and mama peach, I appreciate both of your thoughts on the subject. 
I appreciate what you had to say, and that you supported what you had to say. 
It really made me think, and it's making this process just a bit more easier 
for me. So that makes me happy. This isn't an easy thing for me, because I 
don't like change, or upgrades, or updates. Although, I am starting to like 
more updates, as that usually makes things better. Even if you have to wait for 
another update, to get some bugs fixed sometimes.

But what I don't really understand is, why they are offering these newer Apple 
TVs with all this space. I mean, if you want everything to stream from your TV, 
set of books, and games, and the like, then that makes sense. But I don't, as I 
have said before. So I guess this must put me in the minority.

If I get a 32 gig model, I don't know what to put on it. I don't know how to 
make it useful. I'm really confused here. Maybe I am overthinking it, but that 
is just how I am, and who I am. That's not an easy thing to change about one's 
self.

Thank you for understanding, and reading this message. And again, thank you so 
very much for the advice.

Terri

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM -0500, "MamaPeach" 
mailto:mamape...@charter.net>> wrote:

That is what I would go with since you don't want music, games, or books, the 
32 gig would be the way to go for $149.

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

Well, I wouldn't do it. That's not that much cheaper than the new one. And if 
money is a problem, you could get the 32 GB one new for cheaper, and probably 
cheaper than that refurbished. You probably will not need the 64 GB model. Just 
don't download screen savers that you can't look at. Apps are not large. We 
have the 32 GB model, and we are nowhere near running out of space. Just my 
opinion.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I found a deal on Best Buy for a 64 gig Apple TV. I was wondering if this was 
really a good deal, or not. The unit is refurbished, but this does not bother 
me.

They are asking $470.

What do you all think? I'm sorry, that was supposed to be, they are asking for 
$170.
What do you all think? Is this deal worth it?
I unfortunately got installed the Best Buy app, because I find it to be a bit 
of a pain to use.
However, it had all of my information. Now that I have reinstalled it, of 
course all of that is gone. So now I have to do that part all over again, which 
is rather irritating!

I would like

Re: Pluto TV

[Ryan Mann]

I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on Enter two 
or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move between the 
channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it out 
> with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.
> 
> 
> Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this, 
> because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I would 
> give it another chance.
> 
> 
> However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and 
> when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any 
> feedback.
> 
> 
> Is this App no longer accessible?
> 
> Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't reading 
> this information?
> 
> 
> I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce 
> anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I 
> would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.
> 
> 
> So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up 
> when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I will 
> of course remove it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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RE: Pluto TV

[pattigj1206]

What kind of app is this, what kind of content do you get from it?
Patti

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Ryan Mann
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pluto TV

I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on Enter two 
or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move between the 
channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it 
> out with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.
> 
> 
> Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this, 
> because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I 
> would give it another chance.
> 
> 
> However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and 
> when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any 
> feedback.
> 
> 
> Is this App no longer accessible?
> 
> Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't 
> reading this information?
> 
> 
> I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce 
> anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I 
> would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.
> 
> 
> So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up 
> when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I will 
> of course remove it.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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How do I turn off invitation emails in Calendar app? Need help, please!

[Sherrie]

How do I stop the native calendar app from sending "invitation" emails to 
persons I happen to include in a calendar event?  This is very bothersome. For 
example I had an event I called "Dinner with Sue and George".  It sent an email 
to the email address I had for them and sent another to another Sue who doesn't 
even live in my state! It has even cost me a friendship since I entered "Go to 
court with Terry" when I was to testify in a civil suit and then I deleted it 
later when it was cancelled. But somehow an email was sent to the person and 
she thinks I put her business on the Internet. . 
Well, I want to turn off this extremely annoying feature. I went to the Mail 
app in settings and made sure that all my Google calendars were not connected.  
I might have the calendar connected to Outlook through iCloud but don't know if 
this would be a problem since I rarely open Outlook.
I want to stop all invitations, period. It is a breach of my privacy and 
totally unnecessary.
I hope someone can help.

Sherrie Gosling

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Go Cubs Go RingTone

[Richard Turner]

In honor of the Chicago Cubs winning the 2016 World Series, I clipped out part 
of the Steve Goodman song, "Go Cubs Go" and saved it as a Ringtone for iOS.  I 
know there are other versions out there, but I decided to do one for myself and 
thought I'd share it.
Go to my web site:
www.turner42.com
And go down to the third heading level 2 and right click on the zip file to 
save it on your computer, then unzip it and add it to iTunes:

Richard

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Re: Go Cubs Go RingTone

[Paul Richard McGann]

hello, 

congratuylations to cubs. it is wonderful as cubs are in same division as 
pirates. wink!

anyway, years ago when I had visions, I saw movie “bakvc to future” as it noted 
that cubs would win world series. last year was the due that cubs would win, 
but ouch, the wrong year and now this year. wink1

sincerely, 
rich 


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:55 AM
To: 'ViPone list' 
Subject: Go Cubs Go RingTone

In honor of the Chicago Cubs winning the 2016 World Series, I clipped out part 
of the Steve Goodman song, "Go Cubs Go" and saved it as a Ringtone for iOS.  I 
know there are other versions out there, but I decided to do one for myself and 
thought I’d share it.

Go to my web site: 

www.turner42.com

And go down to the third heading level 2 and right click on the zip file to 
save it on your computer, then unzip it and add it to iTunes:

 

Richard

 

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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[ROBERT CARTER]

Hi,

When Voice Dream Reader first introduced the iCloud syncing option, I had some 
problems. I deleted everything in my Voice Dream library and re downloaded the 
stuff I really wanted using iCloud sync. I have had no problems with the 
feature since then. It was especially nice when I switched from the iPhone 6s 
plus to the 7 plus. Voice Dream Reader automatically downloaded all of my books 
from iCloud. Unfortunately, sometimes you just have to start fresh when working 
with cloud syncing.

Robert Carter


> On Nov 4, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I'm awfully sorry you've had all the problems with Voice Dream Reader. Your 
> experience has cautioned me against turning on iCloud sync in Voice Dream and 
> I just want to thank you for that. I've not had any problems with the app but 
> I only use it on one device so iCloud sync is not something I need.
>  
> I really hope you get it sorted and working to your satisfaction.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense
>  
> Hi Ari, 
> No, I haven't tried turning off iCloud sink yet. I almost did it last night, 
> then got cold feet and figured I would wait to hear from Winston. I have also 
> had that problem that you talked about where the speech goes away and text 
> continues to scroll. Mostly, it's on my iPad. In fact, I can't remember a 
> single instance since I got my 7+ of having it happen there. I thought it 
> might have to do with a slower iPad plus less memory and the iPad. But of 
> course I don't know. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:23 AM, englishride...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Mary,
>>  
>>  
>> You've probably tried all this before, but I thought I might put it out 
>> there anyhow. Have you tried turning off iCloud sync off for both devices, 
>> then enabling it on your iPhone, for a day or two while keeping it off on 
>> your iPad for that time, then turning it back on after those two days? Just 
>> a thought. It might just joggle things in to place. I'm so sorry you've been 
>> having so many issues with VDR. I have some issues with it stopping reading, 
>> but the text continuing to scroll, and then the voice starting up again 
>> seconds later. I wrote Winston about this, and he recommended deleting and 
>> reinstalling the library. I haven't done this so far, because I have a big 
>> library, like you. I hardly ever delete anything, and I have most things in 
>> folders. I'm kind of nervous to find out what will happen to my library 
>> after deleting it and bringing it back with iCloud sync.
>>  
>> Anyhow, I really hope you get things sorted.
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Good idea. Since we got the new text selection and copy features back in 
>>> iOS 9, I have really not thought about that clipboard copy feature. I never 
>>> really used it much anyway. But this would be a good time for it. If 
>>> Winston doesn't understand what I'm talking about with my approximation, I 
>>> will definitely send him the exact message. It's easy to duplicate, since I 
>>> have a lot of books and they are all displaying this problem. I can not 
>>> understand why bunches of books that all look just fine all have the same 
>>> problem. I can't believe I have that bad of a connection over that much 
>>> time.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mary,
  
 If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the 
 entire thing and then use a 3-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken 
 message to your clipboard. You could, of course, use one of your iDevices 
 to record the message as Voiceover reads it on the other one.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
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 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:39 PM
 To:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense
  
 Hi Richard,
 I wasn't able to send the exact error message to Winston, because they 
 select text feature didn't work there, much to my great sorrow. So all I 
 could do was send him an approximation. I guess I just don't have a voice 
 dream reader luck. This app has been so much trouble ever since the big 
 update. I just kind of wish I'd never gone there.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone

Re: Pluto TV

[Terri Stimmel]

Hi there,


It has differing things from what I can tell. I just got it to work, by 
doing what was suggested.

But then when scrolling around the channels, it got to a channel, then 
had an error. I don't know if I will keep the app or not. I don't think 
it's interesting enough for me.


But it seems to have some different news offerings, different sports 
offerings, movies, and possibly some cartoons. There may be more. But 
this is what I found.


I hope this helps?


Terri


On 11/5/2016 7:11 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> What kind of app is this, what kind of content do you get from it?
> Patti
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ryan Mann
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>
> I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on Enter 
> two or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move between the 
> channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it
>> out with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.
>>
>>
>> Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this,
>> because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I
>> would give it another chance.
>>
>>
>> However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and
>> when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any
>> feedback.
>>
>>
>> Is this App no longer accessible?
>>
>> Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't
>> reading this information?
>>
>>
>> I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce
>> anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I
>> would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.
>>
>>
>> So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up
>> when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I will
>> of course remove it.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Terri
>>
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RE: Pluto TV

[pattigj1206]

Thanks, Terri, I may check it out, is it free, I am assuming?
Patti


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pluto TV

Hi there,


It has differing things from what I can tell. I just got it to work, by doing 
what was suggested.

But then when scrolling around the channels, it got to a channel, then had an 
error. I don't know if I will keep the app or not. I don't think it's 
interesting enough for me.


But it seems to have some different news offerings, different sports offerings, 
movies, and possibly some cartoons. There may be more. But this is what I found.


I hope this helps?


Terri


On 11/5/2016 7:11 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> What kind of app is this, what kind of content do you get from it?
> Patti
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>
> I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on Enter 
> two or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move between the 
> channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it 
>> out with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.
>>
>>
>> Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this, 
>> because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I 
>> would give it another chance.
>>
>>
>> However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and 
>> when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any 
>> feedback.
>>
>>
>> Is this App no longer accessible?
>>
>> Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't 
>> reading this information?
>>
>>
>> I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce 
>> anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I 
>> would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.
>>
>>
>> So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up 
>> when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I 
>> will of course remove it.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Terri
>>
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removing an App from Apple tv

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have tried to figure this out on my own. But couldn't for some reason.


The other day I put the NBC App on my Apple tv. But then I realized that 
I needed to have a cable subscription to work. I should have known this.


Anyway, there is no point in me having this App there.

So how can I remove it?


Any help would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


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Re: Pluto TV

[Terri Stimmel]

Hi Patti,


Yes, it is free.

It will give you an idea as to what channel you are at, once you are on 
the channel. Sometimes it will even tell you what is playing.


Terri


On 11/5/2016 11:05 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, Terri, I may check it out, is it free, I am assuming?
> Patti
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>
> Hi there,
>
>
> It has differing things from what I can tell. I just got it to work, by doing 
> what was suggested.
>
> But then when scrolling around the channels, it got to a channel, then had an 
> error. I don't know if I will keep the app or not. I don't think it's 
> interesting enough for me.
>
>
> But it seems to have some different news offerings, different sports 
> offerings, movies, and possibly some cartoons. There may be more. But this is 
> what I found.
>
>
> I hope this helps?
>
>
> Terri
>
>
> On 11/5/2016 7:11 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What kind of app is this, what kind of content do you get from it?
>> Patti
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
>> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>>
>> I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on Enter 
>> two or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move between the 
>> channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it
>>> out with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this,
>>> because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I
>>> would give it another chance.
>>>
>>>
>>> However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and
>>> when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this App no longer accessible?
>>>
>>> Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't
>>> reading this information?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce
>>> anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I
>>> would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.
>>>
>>>
>>> So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up
>>> when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I
>>> will of course remove it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>> Terri
>>>
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Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense

[Mary Otten]

Hi Robert, I did that once, started fresh after the big update messed stuff up. 
And I was pleased when I switched from my 6S to 7+, because, like you, all of 
my books just moved over nice and smoothly. But with this most recent update, 
it would appear that everything that I had from book share that was downloaded 
prior to the most recent update is now unusable, despite the fact that the 
books look OK when you look in the book list. I got a sort of response 
yesterday from the voice dream reader folks, apparently from whoever Winston 
has looking at the inbox, thanking me for my message, saying they were sorry I 
was having problems and that my concern would be forwarded to the developer. 
All very nice, but not exactly the sort of response we had been used to getting 
in the past. I know there's a much bigger audience for this app now. I am going 
to look into alternatives. It's just not stable enough. This was a minor 
update. To have almost my entire library trashed  for a second time is just not 
OK.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:41 AM, ROBERT CARTER  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When Voice Dream Reader first introduced the iCloud syncing option, I had 
> some problems. I deleted everything in my Voice Dream library and re 
> downloaded the stuff I really wanted using iCloud sync. I have had no 
> problems with the feature since then. It was especially nice when I switched 
> from the iPhone 6s plus to the 7 plus. Voice Dream Reader automatically 
> downloaded all of my books from iCloud. Unfortunately, sometimes you just 
> have to start fresh when working with cloud syncing.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> I'm awfully sorry you've had all the problems with Voice Dream Reader. Your 
>> experience has cautioned me against turning on iCloud sync in Voice Dream 
>> and I just want to thank you for that. I've not had any problems with the 
>> app but I only use it on one device so iCloud sync is not something I need.
>>  
>> I really hope you get it sorted and working to your satisfaction.
>>  
>> Alan Lemly
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Moore voice dream reader nonsense
>>  
>> Hi Ari, 
>> No, I haven't tried turning off iCloud sink yet. I almost did it last night, 
>> then got cold feet and figured I would wait to hear from Winston. I have 
>> also had that problem that you talked about where the speech goes away and 
>> text continues to scroll. Mostly, it's on my iPad. In fact, I can't remember 
>> a single instance since I got my 7+ of having it happen there. I thought it 
>> might have to do with a slower iPad plus less memory and the iPad. But of 
>> course I don't know. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:23 AM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi, Mary,
>>>  
>>>  
>>> You've probably tried all this before, but I thought I might put it out 
>>> there anyhow. Have you tried turning off iCloud sync off for both devices, 
>>> then enabling it on your iPhone, for a day or two while keeping it off on 
>>> your iPad for that time, then turning it back on after those two days? Just 
>>> a thought. It might just joggle things in to place. I'm so sorry you've 
>>> been having so many issues with VDR. I have some issues with it stopping 
>>> reading, but the text continuing to scroll, and then the voice starting up 
>>> again seconds later. I wrote Winston about this, and he recommended 
>>> deleting and reinstalling the library. I haven't done this so far, because 
>>> I have a big library, like you. I hardly ever delete anything, and I have 
>>> most things in folders. I'm kind of nervous to find out what will happen to 
>>> my library after deleting it and bringing it back with iCloud sync.
>>>  
>>> Anyhow, I really hope you get things sorted.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ari
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 Good idea. Since we got the new text selection and copy features back in 
 iOS 9, I have really not thought about that clipboard copy feature. I 
 never really used it much anyway. But this would be a good time for it. If 
 Winston doesn't understand what I'm talking about with my approximation, I 
 will definitely send him the exact message. It's easy to duplicate, since 
 I have a lot of books and they are all displaying this problem. I can not 
 understand why bunches of books that all look just fine all have the same 
 problem. I can't believe I have that bad of a connection over that much 
 time.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Mary,
>  
> If you can reproduce the error message try letting Voiceover read the 
> entire thing and then use a 3-finger quadrup

Re: Pluto TV

[Patti Johnson]

Thanks, Terri.  I couldn't get my apple tv running the other night,
maybe it was due to our power glitch, hopefully it's okay now.
Patti

On 11/5/16, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hi Patti,
>
>
> Yes, it is free.
>
> It will give you an idea as to what channel you are at, once you are on
> the channel. Sometimes it will even tell you what is playing.
>
>
> Terri
>
>
> On 11/5/2016 11:05 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, Terri, I may check it out, is it free, I am assuming?
>> Patti
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>>
>> It has differing things from what I can tell. I just got it to work, by
>> doing what was suggested.
>>
>> But then when scrolling around the channels, it got to a channel, then had
>> an error. I don't know if I will keep the app or not. I don't think it's
>> interesting enough for me.
>>
>>
>> But it seems to have some different news offerings, different sports
>> offerings, movies, and possibly some cartoons. There may be more. But this
>> is what I found.
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps?
>>
>>
>> Terri
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/2016 7:11 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> What kind of app is this, what kind of content do you get from it?
>>> Patti
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:29 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pluto TV
>>>
>>> I use it on my Apple TV.  When I first installed it, I had to tap on
>>> Enter two or three times.  Now I am able to flick up or down to move
>>> between the channels.  Press Enter on one you want.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:37 AM, Terri Stimmel 
 wrote:

 Hello everyone,


 A while back, someone on this list, mentioned Pluto TV. I checked it
 out with my Iphone, and thought it was ok. But I didn't keep the App.


 Well when I got my new Apple tv, I decided to install it. I did this,
 because it was under the purchased apps section. I just thought I
 would give it another chance.


 However, when I open it, nothing happens. Voiceover says nothing, and
 when I move around, or try to move around the screen, I don't get any
 feedback.


 Is this App no longer accessible?

 Or do I have to sign up, or something, and voiceover just isn't
 reading this information?


 I know when I went to sign in with Youtube, Voiceover didn't annouce
 anything. Luckily I had a sighted friend helping me, because I knew I
 would need her to read me that code. All is well with Youtube now.


 So if I don't hear from anyone on this. Maybe I will bring the App up
 when she is here on Monday. If it doesn't seem accessible, then I
 will of course remove it.


 Thank you,


 Terri

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RE: purpose of apple tv

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Christopher,

"Can't be" is an impossible statement. I can tell you with 100% certainty that 
Apple is indeed working on a new Apple TV and they probably were working on it 
before the 4th Generation Apple TV was even released just as they have teams 
which are probably already working on the 2018 iPhone. In large corporations 
like that where so much is at stake it is not like they say "OK, now the iPhone 
7 and 7 Plus are released, let's all take a few weeks off and then we'll start 
brain storming what we should do next year".
However, whether a new Apple TV will be released next year or in 2018 is 
anybody's guess and just because the rumourmill in cyberspace hasn't started 
cranking out guesses as to what it will be doesn't mean there won't be one. 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the current model is 
capable of 4K streaming and just as certain as I know they are working on a new 
version I can tell you that said new version will support 4K, a lot of people 
were disappointed that the 4th Gen didn't since the iPhones which were released 
at the same time (the 6S and 6S Plus) can record video in 4K. I think this was 
very much a marketing decision by Apple, the current version could have easily 
been capable of streaming 4K content, but Apple probably thought after not 
having released a new Apple TV for so long and with the new app store, the new 
TVOS and SIRI they could get away with it and benefit from a few million people 
who have bought the 4th Generation Apple TV also buying the 5th Generation when 
it comes out with 4K support.
I know you are quite an Apple fan boy and I am somewhat guilty of that myself 
at least when it comes to iPhones, the Apple TV and, recently, my new Apple 
Watch series 2, but I still look at the larger picture and that picture tells 
me that Apple is no different when it comes to making profits, they are just as 
greedy as everybody else and have no scruples to squeeze the consumer for as 
many Dollars, Pounds, Euros or whatever other currency as possible while at the 
same time trying to avoid paying taxes as much as possible. In fact I would go 
as far as to say that some other companies and current or former CEO's such as 
Bill Gates are a lot more philanthropic as Steve Jobbs ever was.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: purpose of apple tv

Can't be. I've not seen anything to support Apple working on a new Apple TV. I 
do use blogs like IDB, but totally rely on Apple's words in order to believe 
it. Until then, I believe it when i see it.
> On 4 Nov 2016, at 09:43, billy inglis  wrote:
> 
> hi Sieghard and all, I have been told a new apple tv will be on the 
> market next year sometime. Is this right?, Billy
> 
> On 04/11/2016 08:33, Fanus wrote:
>> Hello Kliphton and Sieghard
>> Thank you very much for the explanation. This is very interesting. I shall 
>> investigate what is available in South Africa.
>> Regards
>> Fanus
>> 
>> 
>> From: Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 11:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: purpose of apple tv
>> 
>> Well, it does more than stream music an movies.  You can log in to most 
>> channels offered buy a service provider like time warner, comcast, or 
>> direct.  Of course you must pay for these subscriptions, or get someone to 
>> share there info with you.  The appleTV also has some games to be played on 
>> it.  My favorite app is infuse, this allows me to stream my entire movie 
>> collection to my appleTV4 without using iTunes, or having to leave my mac on 
>> for Plex or some other third party.  And the best part about it, I don’t 
>> have to convert my movie files in to mp4, they can be any format and infuse 
>> will stream them.  The most important thing for most of us, is we don’t need 
>> sited help to control the appleTV, voiceover reads everything on the screen 
>> so we can control HBO, netflix, Hulu, or whatever service you are using, 
>> including the network TV apps at that have on demand content.
>> 
>>  On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Sieghard and list
>>  Please pardon my stupid question but can anyone in a few sentences explain 
>> the purpose of the apple tv. Is it only for downloading and playing music 
>> and movies on the tv or can one control the tv set to a certain extent i.e. 
>> can one hear the menu and shedule normal tv programs etc.?
>>  I am not a movie fan so I ask this question on behalf of a blind friend who 
>> wants to access the tv.
>>  Regards
>>  Fanus
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>  Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 5:54 PM
>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  Subject: RE: Loving Apple tv, have more questions
>> 
>>  Keep in mind that you can dictate anywhere including spelling passwords and 
>> user names. Also, if you have a blu

RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Grace,

Have you figured it out? If not send me an email privately at siegh...@live.ca, 
if you have a landline you can call me or I can call you and walk you through 
the few set up steps you need to go through before you are back to normal.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S update problem question

Is there any way to return to the hello? Now I find choose wifi network, 
something about location, and the edit field to type password.




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-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

Just ddouble tap anywhere, the language doesn't matter, it simply displays 
the Hello message in a number of languages which cycle around, this has 
nothing to do with the language your iPhone uses. If you doble tap on the 
messagee when it's in German it will still come  up in English or at least 
go to a screen where you can select your country and language.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Afik Sofir
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

Hi,

You have to double tap on hello in english.


-Original Message-
From: evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 6S update problem question

Hello,

I just installed the latest update in my iPhone 6s, and now it says hello in 
different languages. I don't use any password. I don't find any button to 
agree or accept the update, or return the phone to normal.
Any help, please? Thank you,
Rena


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RE: Withings Thermo body thermometer - another great Apple Store experience

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The thermometer can't automatically associate readings with users, this has to 
be done manually on the thermometer, but it also can be done in the app and is 
accessible. The problem with body temperature is that there can be no auto 
recognition, every human being has more or less the same body temp ande of 
course there are natural fluctuations during the day and when you are sick.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gs
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Withings Thermo body thermometer - another great Apple Store 
experience

I just bought the scale and it seems to work well. However, I would caution 
that the app is not as accessible as some might like. True, the measurements 
can be shared with Apple Health and the app can be used with some labeling and 
experimentation. It's not a deal breaker for me since I can access the 
information I need. I am probably going to buy the thermometer as well now that 
I've had success with the scale.

The only thing that concerns me about the thermometer is how it works with 
multiple users. The scale does a good job of associating measurements with the 
proper user since my weight differs significantly from the other member of my 
household. How does the thermometer handle this? I can probably get that 
information from the site but it's really my only concern at this point.



On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I just wanted to briefly post about a new gadget I purchased from the Apple 
Store while I was here in Calgary. The item is the Withings Thermo Smart 
Thermometer meant to measure body temperature. It is rather on the expensive 
side at $109 Canadian (it is $99 US on the Withings website and from what I saw 
it’s the same on Amazon). Of course this actually means we are getting a good 
deal here in Canada since $99 US at the current exchange rate is about $135 
Canadian.
Anyhow, it does seem to be a very nice device, the app is mostly accessible 
although a few times during the setup I had to find a “Next” button by touch 
since I couldn’t swipe to it and it can be integrated with the Health app so 
that your body temperature measurements appear there. I was hoping I could also 
take a look at another thermometer from “Kinsa”, it is an in-ear thermometer 
which is only $69 Canadian, but they didn’t have it in stock and I like the 
fact that with the Withings you just swipe it across your forehead and you can 
be about half an inch away from the skin not even touching and it still works.
The girl who helped me at first showed me the box, I asked if there were any 
way for me to actually feel it and she had no problem opening the box. I then 
mentioned that given the relatively high price there was still the risk that 
the app may not be accessible and she promptly said why don’t we pair it with 
your phone and try it out. You can pair this via Bluetooth or WiFi and since I 
didn’t want to try to do this over the open Apple wireless network at the store 
we did bluetooth. At first we had a heck of a time to get it to work. She then 
went in the back and said she wanted to talk to one fo their guys who might 
know a lot more about it. They came back 5 minutes later and he told me he 
owned the product himself and then showed me how to use it successfully. The 
thermometer does have a display and you can assign measurements to different 
family members, but you can also do this in the app and it all is quite 
accessible. We wre also able to enable this in the Health app, but in order to 
do so we had to use the search feature in the Health app and search for “body 
temperature” and add this to the favourites screen so it’s there and easy to 
find.
The results definitely seem to be accurate and you can of course set the Thermo 
to display in Celsius or Fahrenheit and it’s pretty cool how fast it does this. 
You basically start about in the middle of your forehead and swipe either to 
the left or right to about your tempel, do it nice and slow and by the time you 
get there the Thermo vibrates which means the measurement was taken.
All in all the experience at the Apple Store was fantastic, the service 
outstanding and I ended up buying two of them since the manager of my retail 
store and his girl-friend just had a baby and I thought this would make a good 
present. They received tons of clothing from friends and babies do after all 
get sick and it’s a good thing to have a good thermometer to check their 
temperature. Of course if any of you guys are out on a date you can always 
bring it and swipe it across your dates forehead to see how “hot” she is *bad 
joke*.
Finally, below is a link for the product on the Withings website:
http://www.withings.com/us/en/products/thermo
If anybody owns one of the Kinsa in-ear thermometers maybe they can post their 
experience and feedback since it is a less expensive option.

RE: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Billy,

I have no idea. I still have my old second generation Apple TV and maybe I have 
time at some point to try and jailbreak it and give it a try.
Maybe others wo still have a second and third generation Apple TV but also 
upgraded to the new one will do the same, if anybody does this successfully let 
the list know.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
billy inglis
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

hi again Sieghard, As you mentioned in your post.
Would Kodi be accessible with voice over?, Billy



On 04/11/2016 23:04, gs wrote:
> Sieghard -
> I am going to look into this because I do have a third generation that's 
> going to go to waste if I upgrade. I have experimented with Cody under 
> Windows but the speech was clunky and did not work for everything at the 
> time. I do not know if there have been improvements since then. There was no 
> way to use it under OS X with Voiceover at the time I was looking at it. 
> Having it on an Apple TV would be great!
>
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> There is no official Kodi app you can simply download, if there were of 
> course there would be no reason why companies would sell an Apple TV with 
> Kodi installed for an upcharge. It would appear that you can sideload Kodi 
> using Xcode, of course this is probably something a lot of people can't do 
> because I believe you definitely need a Mac for this so if you are a PC user 
> as far as I know this is not possible.
> Apparently all of us with an old Apple TV 2 could jailbreak it and install 
> Kodi on it and hence have an accessible box with Kodi. Something I may look 
> into.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of billy inglis
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 3:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?
>
> HI Chris, I have found a company here in the UK, where the new apple 4 
> tv can be purchased with Kodi already installed, or Kodi can be 
> installed for you on an existent apple tv. The apple tv with Kodi is 
> costed at £185 and for an existent apple tv £25 for Kodi to be 
> installed, Billy
>
>
>
>  On 02/11/2016 20:44, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> I got mine from Apple directly but am sure that's not the only place you can 
>> get it from. There is one certain exception and that is Amazon who claims it 
>> is for competitive reasons they are not allowing the sale of Apple TV.
>>
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2016, at 14:10, Billy Inglis  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi guys, Just wondering, if Apple is the only place I can purchase 
>>> an Apple tv here in the UK?, bBilly
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2016 19:54, Terri Stimmel wrote:
 Hello Mary, and mama peach, I appreciate both of your thoughts on the 
 subject. I appreciate what you had to say, and that you supported what you 
 had to say. It really made me think, and it's making this process just a 
 bit more easier for me. So that makes me happy. This isn't an easy thing 
 for me, because I don't like change, or upgrades, or updates. Although, I 
 am starting to like more updates, as that usually makes things better. 
 Even if you have to wait for another update, to get some bugs fixed 
 sometimes.

 But what I don't really understand is, why they are offering these newer 
 Apple TVs with all this space. I mean, if you want everything to stream 
 from your TV, set of books, and games, and the like, then that makes 
 sense. But I don't, as I have said before. So I guess this must put me in 
 the minority.

 If I get a 32 gig model, I don't know what to put on it. I don't know how 
 to make it useful. I'm really confused here. Maybe I am overthinking it, 
 but that is just how I am, and who I am. That's not an easy thing to 
 change about one's self.

 Thank you for understanding, and reading this message. And again, thank 
 you so very much for the advice.

 Terri

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 On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM -0500, "MamaPeach" 
 mailto:mamape...@charter.net>> wrote:

 That is what I would go with since you don't want music, games, or books, 
 the 32 gig would be the way to go for $149.

 From: Mary Otten
 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:13 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

 Well, I wouldn't do it. That's not that much cheaper than the new one. And 
 if money is a problem, you could get the 32 GB one new for cheaper, and 
 probably cheaper than that refurbished. You probably will not need the 64 
 GB model. J

RE: removing an App from Apple tv

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Push and hold for a moment on the track pad, this is equivalent to a double tap 
and hold on the iphone.
I believe Voiceover announces something about pressing the Play/Pause button 
for options, that is the bottom button of the 3 buttons on the left side.
Once you press Play/Pause you are asked if you want to delete the app, press 
the track pad again and it will be deleted.
I'm not in front of my Apple TV right now, but that is more or less how it 
works.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: removing an App from Apple tv

Hello everyone,


I have tried to figure this out on my own. But couldn't for some reason.


The other day I put the NBC App on my Apple tv. But then I realized that I 
needed to have a cable subscription to work. I should have known this.


Anyway, there is no point in me having this App there.

So how can I remove it?


Any help would be much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: iPhone 6S update problem question

[evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone]

Thanks a lot. I had to call Apple and they helped me.
Rena



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-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

Hi Grace,

Have you figured it out? If not send me an email privately at 
siegh...@live.ca, if you have a landline you can call me or I can call you 
and walk you through the few set up steps you need to go through before you 
are back to normal.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S update problem question

Is there any way to return to the hello? Now I find choose wifi network, 
something about location, and the edit field to type password.





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Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

Just ddouble tap anywhere, the language doesn't matter, it simply displays
the Hello message in a number of languages which cycle around, this has
nothing to do with the language your iPhone uses. If you doble tap on the
messagee when it's in German it will still come  up in English or at least
go to a screen where you can select your country and language.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Afik Sofir
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 6S update problem question

Hi,

You have to double tap on hello in english.


-Original Message-
From: evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 6S update problem question

Hello,

I just installed the latest update in my iPhone 6s, and now it says hello in
different languages. I don't use any password. I don't find any button to
agree or accept the update, or return the phone to normal.
Any help, please? Thank you,
Rena


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Dictate Instead of Pause

[kelby carlson]

All,

This seems like an iOS bug to me. When I'm in a non-text field
context, doing a double-tap with two fingers to pause music or
VoiceDream still brings up dictation. Does anyone know a place to stop
this?

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Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

[billy inglis]

hi guys, as Sieghard
mentioned. If anyone on list has jail broken an old either 2 or 3 gen 
apple tv, please let the list know, Billy




On 05/11/2016 17:57, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Billy,

I have no idea. I still have my old second generation Apple TV and maybe I have 
time at some point to try and jailbreak it and give it a try.
Maybe others wo still have a second and third generation Apple TV but also 
upgraded to the new one will do the same, if anybody does this successfully let 
the list know.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
billy inglis
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

hi again Sieghard, As you mentioned in your post.
Would Kodi be accessible with voice over?, Billy



On 04/11/2016 23:04, gs wrote:

Sieghard -
I am going to look into this because I do have a third generation that's going 
to go to waste if I upgrade. I have experimented with Cody under Windows but 
the speech was clunky and did not work for everything at the time. I do not 
know if there have been improvements since then. There was no way to use it 
under OS X with Voiceover at the time I was looking at it. Having it on an 
Apple TV would be great!

On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

There is no official Kodi app you can simply download, if there were of course 
there would be no reason why companies would sell an Apple TV with Kodi 
installed for an upcharge. It would appear that you can sideload Kodi using 
Xcode, of course this is probably something a lot of people can't do because I 
believe you definitely need a Mac for this so if you are a PC user as far as I 
know this is not possible.
Apparently all of us with an old Apple TV 2 could jailbreak it and install Kodi 
on it and hence have an accessible box with Kodi. Something I may look into.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of billy inglis
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 3:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

HI Chris, I have found a company here in the UK, where the new apple 4
tv can be purchased with Kodi already installed, or Kodi can be
installed for you on an existent apple tv. The apple tv with Kodi is
costed at £185 and for an existent apple tv £25 for Kodi to be
installed, Billy



 On 02/11/2016 20:44, christopher hallsworth wrote:

I got mine from Apple directly but am sure that's not the only place you can 
get it from. There is one certain exception and that is Amazon who claims it is 
for competitive reasons they are not allowing the sale of Apple TV.



On 1 Nov 2016, at 14:10, Billy Inglis  wrote:

hi guys, Just wondering, if Apple is the only place I can purchase
an Apple tv here in the UK?, bBilly

On 31/10/2016 19:54, Terri Stimmel wrote:

Hello Mary, and mama peach, I appreciate both of your thoughts on the subject. 
I appreciate what you had to say, and that you supported what you had to say. 
It really made me think, and it's making this process just a bit more easier 
for me. So that makes me happy. This isn't an easy thing for me, because I 
don't like change, or upgrades, or updates. Although, I am starting to like 
more updates, as that usually makes things better. Even if you have to wait for 
another update, to get some bugs fixed sometimes.

But what I don't really understand is, why they are offering these newer Apple 
TVs with all this space. I mean, if you want everything to stream from your TV, 
set of books, and games, and the like, then that makes sense. But I don't, as I 
have said before. So I guess this must put me in the minority.

If I get a 32 gig model, I don't know what to put on it. I don't know how to 
make it useful. I'm really confused here. Maybe I am overthinking it, but that 
is just how I am, and who I am. That's not an easy thing to change about one's 
self.

Thank you for understanding, and reading this message. And again, thank you so 
very much for the advice.

Terri

Get Outlook for iOS




On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM -0500, "MamaPeach" 
mailto:mamape...@charter.net>> wrote:

That is what I would go with since you don't want music, games, or books, the 
32 gig would be the way to go for $149.

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 2:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a good price for an Apple TV?

Well, I wouldn't do it. That's not that much cheaper than the new one. And if 
money is a problem, you could get the 32 GB one new for cheaper, and probably 
cheaper than that refurbished. You probably will not need the 64 GB model. Just 
don't download screen savers that you can't look at. Apps are not large. We 
have the 32 GB model, and we are nowhere near running out

Re: voicedream reader and problems with reading books in braille

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Anouk,

When I updated to the latest version of Voice Dream Reader, I had a problem 
with my Braille display repeating lines once it sniffed pages. I had to go into 
visual settings, set the lines visible option to all, then close that. Now 
close VDR and open it again. It worked perfectly now. Maybe that would help? 
Not sure as I use a Focus 40 and a Braille Sens u2. 

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have done some more testing with my brailliant and have noticed that 
> bluetooth braille works mostly fine in general ios and ibook sfor example but 
> it does not work well at all within voicedream reader. I am not sure how that 
> was before but I am talking about the current version. Braille is very 
> sluggish and unresponsive and the display also loses its bluetooth connection 
> on occasion. I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing problems with 
> voicedream in combination with a braille display?
> Thanks in advance for any info,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everybody,

I have a question regarding when adding contacts, and using a label for that 
contact. Such as, mobile.
I don't understand why some of these options are in here has choices. I know 
maybe it's not really a big deal. But is something that bothers me.
Wire for instants do we have a choice of radio?
I have course can understand choices like home, and mobile. But I don't really 
get home fax as an option, because it's not as though you can send a fax from 
your phone. Or maybe you can now days, and I just don't know that. I also don't 
get the car option, because nobody I know has had a car phone for years!
There might be some other options that are puzzling to me. But these are the 
ones I can think of at the moment.

What the thing I really don't like, is this. Why don't they have the option for 
iPhone as a choice, anymore?
They took that option away a couple of versions back. Then they returned it, I 
think when we got version 10. But I don't remember exactly. Now it is gone 
again. I don't like this at all!

I like my contacts to be organized properly. I'm very picky about this, and I 
know it!
But if somebody has an iPhone, I want their number listed as an iPhone. If they 
have an android, that's fine if it is mobile.

But I do not like listing someone who I know has an iPhone, with the mobile 
label. I know this sounds silly. But this is just my choice, and the way I want 
to be able to do things.

Does anyone know when this option might return? Or if it will return at all?
Thank you,

Terri

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Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Richard Turner]

Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels 
from whatever ancient template they are using.
I hope to be a part of a conversation with a senior Apple engineer in a couple 
of weeks. I'll see if I can get an answer from him.
Just be assured that you are not the only one scratching their head over these 
strange labels in contacts.
Later,
Richard


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(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I have a question regarding when adding contacts, and using a label for that 
contact. Such as, mobile.
I don't understand why some of these options are in here has choices. I know 
maybe it's not really a big deal. But is something that bothers me.
Wire for instants do we have a choice of radio?
I have course can understand choices like home, and mobile. But I don't really 
get home fax as an option, because it's not as though you can send a fax from 
your phone. Or maybe you can now days, and I just don't know that. I also don't 
get the car option, because nobody I know has had a car phone for years!
There might be some other options that are puzzling to me. But these are the 
ones I can think of at the moment.

What the thing I really don't like, is this. Why don't they have the option for 
iPhone as a choice, anymore?
They took that option away a couple of versions back. Then they returned it, I 
think when we got version 10. But I don't remember exactly. Now it is gone 
again. I don't like this at all!

I like my contacts to be organized properly. I'm very picky about this, and I 
know it!
But if somebody has an iPhone, I want their number listed as an iPhone. If they 
have an android, that's fine if it is mobile.

But I do not like listing someone who I know has an iPhone, with the mobile 
label. I know this sounds silly. But this is just my choice, and the way I want 
to be able to do things.

Does anyone know when this option might return? Or if it will return at all?
Thank you,

Terri

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Apple brings AirPod-style streaming, Live Listen accessibility to MFi hearing aids

[Mary Otten]

Since I myself do not use a hearing aid, I am not in a good position to know 
how useful this would be. But it sounds good. And I know we do have some folks 
on these lists who are both visually and hearing impaired. So, in the hope that 
this could be of use, here you are.
Mary
Apple brings AirPod-style streaming, Live Listen accessibility to MFi hearing 
aids
AppleInsider

 Apple has enhanced its iOS accessibility features for users with hearing 
impairments, adapting its enhanced Bluetooth-based streaming to Made For iPhone 
hearing aids while introducing Live Listen, a feature that uses an iPhone's mic 
to focus on conversations in loud environments.

 

Apple first introduced MFi support for Bluetooth hearing aids in iOS 7 and 
iPhone 4s. Its latest software expands support for direct streaming of phone 
calls, FaceTime conversations, movies and other audio to supported hearing 
aids, without the need for a middleman device known as a "streamer."

Apple has worked with a series of hearing aid manufacturers to enable advanced 
Bluetooth streaming support, as detailed in a support page.

New iOS 10 hearing aid features integrate device battery life and independent 
base, treble, right and left volume controls, and supports audiologist-designed 
presets for handling sound from concerts or restaurants. Using geolocation, 
devices can even automatically recognize when the user walks into, say, a 
Starbucks, and their hearing aids can adjust automatically. It also supports a 
"find my hearing aid" feature.

This enhanced, built in support for hearing aids borrows technology developed 
for AirPods, the company's new wireless headphones leveraging Apple's 
proprietary new W1 chip for effortless, flexible device pairing.

Apple's integrated bundling of an audio streamer for users with hearing 
impairments is similar to its previous introduction of Voice Over, the screen 
reader technology introduced for iPods, the iOS devices and Macs.

By building such accessibility features into the OS level for free, third party 
developers can take full advantage of Apple's screen reading and streaming 
technologies because they know they will be available on every device. 
Previously, users with disabilities had to buy a bolted on solution that 
required specialized support from app developers.


In addition to supporting audio originating on the phone, the new Live Listen 
feature (above) also allows users to relay focused audio picked up by the 
iPhone's mic, enabling clearer conversations when in a loud environment.

In a report for CNET, Shara Tibken detailed how individuals are taking 
advantage of Apple's latest accessibility technologies to remain productive and 
erase barriers.

Tibken noted that Google doesn't offer similar streaming support built into 
Android. The company is stymied to deploy Apple's level of tight integration 
across Android devices because it has no control over the hardware features its 
partners chose to support in their own phones making use of some version of 
Android software.



Original Article: 
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Folders & passwords

[Donna]

Hi All,

Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the folder? My 6 
year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & taking useless photos. 
So what I would like to be able to do is create a folder & add apps like 
Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera in the folder & password protect the 
folder. 

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My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard and Terri,

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

One thing I don't get is the following example:

Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels 
from whatever ancient template they are using.
I hope to be a part of a conversation with a senior Apple engineer in a couple 
of weeks. I'll see if I can get an answer from him.
Just be assured that you are not the only one scratching their head over these 
strange labels in contacts.
Later,
Richard

“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hello everybody,

I have a question regarding when adding contacts, and using a label for that 
contact. Such as, mobile.
I don't understand why some of these options are in here 

RE: Folders & passwords

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Don't think so, but you may be able to set restrictions and prevent some of the 
problems.
Keep in mind that if you go to Settings > General > Restrictions you will b 
asked to set a 4-digit passcode. Make sure you don't forget it since otherwise 
you can't get back in there if you want to disable said restrictions.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Folders & passwords

Hi All,

Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the folder? My 6 
year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & taking useless photos. 
So what I would like to be able to do is create a folder & add apps like 
Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera in the folder & password protect the 
folder. 

Donna  

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Re: Folders & passwords

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Settings, general,restrictions will do just that.




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 5 Nov 2016, at 11:26 pm, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the folder? My 
> 6 year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & taking useless 
> photos. So what I would like to be able to do is create a folder & add apps 
> like Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera in the folder & password protect 
> the folder. 
> 
> Donna  
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RE: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[Richard Turner]

I agree with much of your Siri rant, but the Home number or Mobile number is 
not that out of line.  I know lots of people who no longer have a Home number, 
I.E. landline, just a cell phone.  So, their home number is now their cell 
number.
Splitting hairs I know, but I’ve run into the rest of your Siri issues and find 
them just as perplexing.

Later,
Richard


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Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 4:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label 
choices

Hi Richard and Terri,

I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com and the same goes for the "Custom" option.

Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".

One thing I don't get is the following example:

Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.

I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some Apple engineers are just too lazy to fix the labels 
from whatever ancient template they are using.
I hope to be a par

Re: My SIRI rant, was: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices

[gs]

Also, be aware that if you use some of the esoteric labels available via the 
iPhone or Mac and sync with iCloud, things may work fine. However, in the past 
I have had problems with those labeled fields not transferring if contacts are 
synced with another service. I remember issues with the "Main" field for phone 
numbers. It has been a while since I had these issues because I have been 
exclusively using iCloud for the past few years. But I am about to stop doing 
that and can only imagine the difficulty I may have.


On Nov 5, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Richard and Terri,
 
I actually think the labels you say depend on your email service. The "iPhone" 
label I think might be there if you use iCloud but not for contacts stored on 
Outlook.com  and the same goes for the "Custom" option.
 
Terri, as far as labels like Home Fax or Pager are concerned, I guess that is 
the same as "iPhone". Yes, you may not be able to send a fax directly from the 
phone, but as a business owner I appreciate the fact I can store my contact's 
fax numbers as part of the information I have and label them properly. As for 
the iPhone label, it is in my opinion silly. An iPhone is a mobile phone and 
after all, you don't have an "Android", "Blackberry" or "Windows Phone" label, 
either. In any case, I may not necessarily know if some person in my contacts 
has an iPhone or not and there is no purpose to that label in terms of iMessage 
or Facetime since if somebody does have an iPhone and they have enabled these 
features then when you send a text message it automatically goes as an iMessage 
whether the number is labelled as "Mobile" or "iPhone".
 
One thing I don't get is the following example:
 
Assumptions:
You have a contact called "Allison"
You have a hone number and a mobiel number correctly entered and designated as 
"Home" and "Mobile" for Allison.
You use SIRI to send a message, for example, "Hey, are you coming for dinner 
tonight".
Here now the issue:
I tell SIRI "Text Allison Hey, are you coming for dinner tonight?"
SIRI then comes back at times and asks if it should use Home or Mobile to send 
the message. I had this happen even if I opened the contact and tapped on 
"Message" and it asked me to select/tap on one of the available numbers.
It used to be that if you selected to send a message or asked SIRI to do so 
that automatically the mobile number was used. This of course makes sense, but 
it doesn't always seem to be like that any more.
 
I continue to be astonished by how stupid SIRI sometimes is after having been 
around for 5 years.
I still can't create a contact where I just put the name of a business in the 
"Company Name" field and then ask SIRI to call that business.
SIRI will apparently not at all search/look in the company name field and 
instead it will try to look up the business online. If I put the business name 
also in the last name field all  is well, but it's absolutely retarded.
Also, if I ask SIRI to look for something, for example, a restaurant, and SIRI 
then starts listing options, when it comes to one I want and I say "Yes" when 
it asks if I want that one, I usually get "I can call this location or give you 
directions, which do you want". If you say "Directions" all is well, but if you 
say "Call" SIRI goes into retard mode and asks "Whom should I call for you". It 
is absolutely infuriating.
Lastly, I recently often have to turn SIRI off and back on because it can't 
make phone calls to certain contacts, sometimes even those I have in my 
Favourites list. Right now, for example, if I ask SIRI to "Call my Mom" it asks 
me which phone number for Margrit Weitzel I want to use. This means aparently 
SIRI knows that my Mom is Margrit Weitzel and if I ask SIRI to "Show me my 
Mom's home number" it will do so happily. However, after it asks me which 
number to use and I say "Home" or "Mobile" I get "Sorry, I can't find Margrit 
Weitzel in your contacts". This borders on the unacceptable and I wish Apple 
would get their act together and fix SIRI so it's a bit more useful, flexible 
and consistent.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: When adding a contact, question regarding label choices
 
Well, asking why won't get you very far since there is no answer to "why" that 
can be trusted unless it comes from Apple.
Also, to me, those labels are some irrational hold over from a time long, long 
ago.
I've seen the iPhone option at times, but at other times it isn't there.
Sometimes the default is Home Fax, which I agree is silly; then other times the 
default is home.
Then again, sometimes there is a custom option where you can write your own 
label.
Personally, I think some Apple engineers are ju

Re: Folders & passwords

[Donna]

I have set restrictions. Was hoping for a way to just put Settings into a 
folder & password protect the folder. Oh well...sigh...guess I'll just have to 
keep resetting the screen brightness, font size, make sure wifi is on etc etc 
etc..all the things that can't be controlled within restrictions..He is getting 
older so hopefully him causing me to go crazy won't last much longer

Donna
> 
> Don't think so, but you may be able to set restrictions and prevent some of 
> the problems.
> Keep in mind that if you go to Settings > General > Restrictions you will b 
> asked to set a 4-digit passcode. Make sure you don't forget it since 
> otherwise you can't get back in there if you want to disable said 
> restrictions.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Donna
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Folders & passwords
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Is there an app or a way to create a folder & password protect the folder? My 
> 6 year old keeps changing things in Settings on his iPad & taking useless 
> photos. So what I would like to be able to do is create a folder & add apps 
> like Settings, iTunes, App store & Camera in the folder & password protect 
> the folder. 
> 
> Donna  
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Watch Cover To Lock

[Shaf Patel]

Is there a way of disabling that cover to lock feature on the Watch? It
seems to get triggered by almost anything that passes over the watch
screen, and this is extremely inconvenient for situations such as
recording when locking the screen will stop a recording (huge fail, Apple).

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How to reboot and iPhone 7 without turning the volume down

[Alan Lemly]

With the elimination of a real home button on the iPhone 7, my understanding
is that to reboot the iPhone, one holds down the power and volume down
buttons simultaneously. I just tried this on my new iPhone 7 while it was
powered on but locked and it did reboot the phone but for several minutes, I
thought I had lost Voiceover when in fact what had happened is that I turned
my volume all the way down while rebooting. If someone knows of a procedure
in order to avoid doing this I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, this seems to
be a bad design flaw for those of us who depend on audio in order to use our
phones and who reboot their devices every so often as I do.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

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Re: How to reboot and iPhone 7 without turning the volume down

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I just did that procedure just this very day and didn’t have that result at 
all. It rebooted with no detrimental impact on volume. How very peculiar.
Robin

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:31 PM
To: VIPhone Email List 
Subject: How to reboot and iPhone 7 without turning the volume down

With the elimination of a real home button on the iPhone 7, my understanding is 
that to reboot the iPhone, one holds down the power and volume down buttons 
simultaneously. I just tried this on my new iPhone 7 while it was powered on 
but locked and it did reboot the phone but for several minutes, I thought I had 
lost Voiceover when in fact what had happened is that I turned my volume all 
the way down while rebooting. If someone knows of a procedure in order to avoid 
doing this I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, this seems to be a bad design flaw 
for those of us who depend on audio in order to use our phones and who reboot 
their devices every so often as I do.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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10.1 Downloaded Automaticly

[Arnold Schmidt]

I think I remember that I can delete this download, but I don't remember how. 
Luckily, I caught it before it installed. How do I delete it? And, am I correct 
that I can't tell it not to download it again automaticly?  

Thank you for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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iPhone 7 Setup and Restore Experience

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I got my new iPhone 7 today and decided to document the steps followed in
setting it up and restoring an encrypted iTunes backup. I want to thank
Jonathan Mosen for his excellent Blindside podcast on unboxing his iPhone 7
Plus which I listened to again yesterday in anticipation of getting my new
phone. I thought a written list might be helpful to some although it is a
bit long. The list follows my signature.

 

I was pleased that all my apps downloaded from my computer to the new phone
after running a sync in iTunes. Even apps such as Fleksy VO which are no
longer available in the Apps Store downloaded with no problems and quickly.
My biggest adjustment to the iPhone 7 is going to be the haptic home button.
It really feels more like the phone is shifting in the case when this button
is pressed instead of like a button being engaged. I'm sure I'll get used to
it after a while.

 

Alan Lemly

 

Here are the steps I followed to set up my new iPhone 7 purchased online
from Apple and restore my encrypted iTunes backup of my iPhone 6:

 

1.   Reviewed my most recent list of app updates to ensure all had been
downloaded to my computer using iTunes.

2.   Connected my iPhone 6 to my Windows 7 computer and opened iTunes
version 12.5.1.21. This is one version back from the current iTunes 12.5.2
and should be current enough to successfully restore an encrypted backup to
a new iPhone 7.

3.   From the iTunes menu, selected File, Devices, Transfer purchases
from iPhone to ensure all media purchased on my iPhone was properly
downloaded to my computer.

4.   Synced and did an encrypted backup of my iPhone 6 within iTunes.

5.   Opened my Keepass passwords manager to ensure my encrypted backup
password was listed and to copy it to my computer clipboard.

6.   Opened the shipping box containing  the iPhone 7. The box was
sealed along the bottom front edge and opened like a hinged trunk after the
tape was cut. The iPhone box was shrink wrapped to the floor layer of the
shipping box and this layer also pivots. Apple really puts a lot of thought
not only into its products but the containers in which they ship.

7.   After using a pocket knife to cut the shrink wrap, removed the film
around the iPhone box. This film had a tab at the top edge of the box and
easily pulled off not unlike a protective film over the screen of certain
electronic devices. Only one sheet of paper was included in the shipping box
and it's a packing list according to my KNFB Reader scan. No instructions
were provided.

8.   The top of the unwrapped iPhone box pulls up smoothly.  Sitting on
the very top over the iPhone itself is a cardboard sleeve containing 3
items, a sheet the same size as the iPhone with miniscule print with
absolutely no contrast, a more durable sheet which appears to have a picture
of the iPhone shown partially on the front and back with little information
I could discern, and a clear film sheet the size of the phone with two Apple
stickers on it. I have no clue what these stickers are for other than to
stick on a notebook or such thing to advertise your Apple support.

9.   The iPhone is next and lifts straight up. It has a protective film
around it with a tab that can be used to grasp and pull it up if need be.
With this tab toward the bottom of the box, below the iPhone in the bottom
cutout,  is the lightning AC plug. In the top cutout is the wired lightning
earpods housed in a square cardboard package which lifts up using a
cardboard tab.  On the underside of this cardboard  housing is the lightning
to 3.5mm headphone adapter sort of crimped into the cardboard underside.
Just below the lightning earpods container is a circular bottommost area
holding the lightning USB cable.

10.   Being the exceedingly cautious geek that I am, I put the iPhone 7 in a
Tech21 Evo Check case to offer protection while setting it up.

11.   Powered on the iPhone  and could make out the word hello presented on
the very bright screen. I pressed the home button 3 times quickly and heard
Voiceover on. Home is no longer a real button and is driven by a haptic
engine. With the iPhone 7 default home button setting, it felt more like the
phone was shifting in its case than like a button being pressed. I'll change
the home button setting later.

12.   The iPhone screen turned off while I was typing this but with the
default setting, it automatically awakens when lifted up. Voiceover
announces "press home to open".

13.   Select your language was announced and English was listed first and I
double tapped while it had focus.

14.   Select your country or region was announced and I double tapped on
United States which was first in the list.

15.   Choose a Wi-Fi network heading was announced and I double tapped on
the appropriate one.

16.   My wi-fi network is secured so I was prompted to enter the password.
Be aware that you will be in standard typing mode instead of touch typing
mode so you should use your

RE: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

[Todd Patkus]

Yes, Dave, it includes such.  Just let the staff at Apple Accessibility.

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 2:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

 

Hi, does it fix, the Voiceover bug, that says incoming call, when an out-going 
call is being made?

 

From: Todd Patkus   

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 4:10 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

 

Everyone,

 

In order to expedite this issue, contact Apple Accessibility to report the bug. 
 The more folks the more the issue becomes known to them, they might do 
something.

 

Send an email to them at:

 

accessibil...@apple.com  

 

Todd

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ? ?? ???
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

 

Hi! No this update doesn't fix this bug.

Sent from  my iphone


‫ב-2 בנוב׳ 2016, בשעה 0:45, ‏‏Arnold Schmidt ‏<  
als5...@gmail.com> כתב/ה:

Did this update  fix the problem with the cursor not moving when editing text 
in an edit field? I still am running 10.0.1 until they get this situation 
resolved. 

Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Gary Bowers mailto:gdbow...@swbell.net> > wrote:

forbes.com  
Apple iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available: What Is Included In The Update?
Amit Chowdhry
Apple has released iOS 10.1.1 to the general public today. The iOS 10.1.1
update comes one week after iOS 10.1 was released. The reason why Apple
quickly issued this software update is because it fixes a bug that Forbes
contributor Gordon Kelly reported exclusively last week. Apple declined to
reply to requests to acknowledge the bug until now. You can install iOS
10.1.1 by connecting your device to iTunes or downloading it by going to
Settings > General > Software Update. The iOS 10.1.1 update is available for
the following devices: iPhone 5 and later, iPad 4th generation and later and
iPod touch 6th generation and later.
What Is Included In The Update?
The software update is relatively small at under 70MB, which indicates that
it is a minor update with a few bug fixes. There weren’t any betas of iOS
10.1.1 either. And the changelog of the iOS 10.1.1 software update
says: “This update fixes bugs including an issue where Health data could not
be viewed for some users.” 
There were many complaints about health data not being visible following the
iOS 10.1.1 update within the Apple Communities forum so it is a relief that
Apple turned around a fix in a short amount of time:

And Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly said that he was contacted by many
people directly “with stories of hours spent on the phone to Apple tech
support, all without resolution.” Many Twitter users also said that they
attempted to reboot and factory reset the devices, but the Health app data
did not reappear:

iOS 10.1 was somewhat of a major update. iOS 10.1 included a “Portrait”
mode, which helps make the most out of the dual cameras in the iPhone 7
Plus. The Portrait camera mode essentially utilized the wide-angle and
telephoto iPhone 7 lenses in a way to create portraits with depth effects.
This makes the subjects of the photos look sharp while also creating blurred
backgrounds, known as “bokeh” effects. iOS 10.1 also included Transit
directions for Apple Maps in Japan. And iOS 10.1 also added a “Reduce
Motion” setting for the Bubble and Screen effects in the Messages app.

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Re: iPhone 7 Setup and Restore Experience

[‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Hi Alan, also i am gotit my new iPhone 7 a weeck ago it fills me that i press 
the botom of the screen. it's take time to get use to it. it fills strange in 
first. i like the new speakers  it's sounes very well.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-6 בנוב׳ 2016, בשעה 6:52, ‏‏Alan Lemly ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Hi List,
>  
> I got my new iPhone 7 today and decided to document the steps followed in 
> setting it up and restoring an encrypted iTunes backup. I want to thank 
> Jonathan Mosen for his excellent Blindside podcast on unboxing his iPhone 7 
> Plus which I listened to again yesterday in anticipation of getting my new 
> phone. I thought a written list might be helpful to some although it is a bit 
> long. The list follows my signature.
>  
> I was pleased that all my apps downloaded from my computer to the new phone 
> after running a sync in iTunes. Even apps such as Fleksy VO which are no 
> longer available in the Apps Store downloaded with no problems and quickly. 
> My biggest adjustment to the iPhone 7 is going to be the haptic home button. 
> It really feels more like the phone is shifting in the case when this button 
> is pressed instead of like a button being engaged. I'm sure I'll get used to 
> it after a while.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> Here are the steps I followed to set up my new iPhone 7 purchased online from 
> Apple and restore my encrypted iTunes backup of my iPhone 6:
>  
> 1.   Reviewed my most recent list of app updates to ensure all had been 
> downloaded to my computer using iTunes.
> 2.   Connected my iPhone 6 to my Windows 7 computer and opened iTunes 
> version 12.5.1.21. This is one version back from the current iTunes 12.5.2 
> and should be current enough to successfully restore an encrypted backup to a 
> new iPhone 7.
> 3.   From the iTunes menu, selected File, Devices, Transfer purchases 
> from iPhone to ensure all media purchased on my iPhone was properly 
> downloaded to my computer.
> 4.   Synced and did an encrypted backup of my iPhone 6 within iTunes.
> 5.   Opened my Keepass passwords manager to ensure my encrypted backup 
> password was listed and to copy it to my computer clipboard.
> 6.   Opened the shipping box containing  the iPhone 7. The box was sealed 
> along the bottom front edge and opened like a hinged trunk after the tape was 
> cut. The iPhone box was shrink wrapped to the floor layer of the shipping box 
> and this layer also pivots. Apple really puts a lot of thought not only into 
> its products but the containers in which they ship.
> 7.   After using a pocket knife to cut the shrink wrap, removed the film 
> around the iPhone box. This film had a tab at the top edge of the box and 
> easily pulled off not unlike a protective film over the screen of certain 
> electronic devices. Only one sheet of paper was included in the shipping box 
> and it's a packing list according to my KNFB Reader scan. No instructions 
> were provided.
> 8.   The top of the unwrapped iPhone box pulls up smoothly.  Sitting on 
> the very top over the iPhone itself is a cardboard sleeve containing 3 items, 
> a sheet the same size as the iPhone with miniscule print with absolutely no 
> contrast, a more durable sheet which appears to have a picture of the iPhone 
> shown partially on the front and back with little information I could 
> discern, and a clear film sheet the size of the phone with two Apple stickers 
> on it. I have no clue what these stickers are for other than to stick on a 
> notebook or such thing to advertise your Apple support.
> 9.   The iPhone is next and lifts straight up. It has a protective film 
> around it with a tab that can be used to grasp and pull it up if need be. 
> With this tab toward the bottom of the box, below the iPhone in the bottom 
> cutout,  is the lightning AC plug. In the top cutout is the wired lightning 
> earpods housed in a square cardboard package which lifts up using a cardboard 
> tab.  On the underside of this cardboard  housing is the lightning to 3.5mm 
> headphone adapter sort of crimped into the cardboard underside. Just below 
> the lightning earpods container is a circular bottommost area holding the 
> lightning USB cable.
> 10.   Being the exceedingly cautious geek that I am, I put the iPhone 7 in a 
> Tech21 Evo Check case to offer protection while setting it up.
> 11.   Powered on the iPhone  and could make out the word hello presented on 
> the very bright screen. I pressed the home button 3 times quickly and heard 
> Voiceover on. Home is no longer a real button and is driven by a haptic 
> engine. With the iPhone 7 default home button setting, it felt more like the 
> phone was shifting in its case than like a button being pressed. I'll change 
> the home button setting later.
> 12.   The iPhone screen turned off while I was typing this but with the 
> default setting, it automatically awakens when lifted up. Voiceover announces 
> "press home to open".
> 13.   Select your language was anno

RE: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

[Todd Patkus]

Anouk,

I mean what type of Bluetooth you have.  Is it the Bluetooth keyboard?

I do not use any devices by Humanware.  I have a Braille Sense Mini U2 with an 
iPhone 6S.  I do have a Bluetooth keyboard from Logistics for typing rahter 
than the Perkins keyboard on the U2.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anouk Radix
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

Todd,
I use the humanware brailliant bi40 with an iphone 6 and latest ios 10 version. 
I am not sure hwat you ean by what kind or type of bluetooth…. I use the 
humanware braille protocol… Greetings, Anouk,
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 05:01, Todd Patkus  wrote:
> 
> Anouk,
> 
> What Braille display from HumanWare are you using?  What type or kind of 
> bluetooth are you using?
> 
> I am a strong Braille user.  I have a HIMS Braille Sense U2 Mini with an 
> iPhone 6s.  they work excellent.
> 
> I am sure Rich will tell you something.  Let him tell you about his devices.
> 
> Todd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I am doing a lot more with my iphone these days but want to keep my braille 
> reading skills in tact. I use voicedream a lot and a lot of the books that I 
> have in there are epub or text so no problem to read those with a braille 
> display. Only the one that I have now the humanware brailliant bi40 has a 
> VERY unstable and slow bluetooth connection. I love it for its form factor 
> its looks its sturdyness its braille cells and its performance through usb 
> with windows and mac but its bluetooth performance simply really sucks its 
> slow and VERY unstable often I am not capable to get the connection back 
> either.
> I was wondering what are your experiences regarding braille displays/ios and 
> bluetooth stability? I will be able to get a new braille display next year 
> and the bluetooth performance will be a major deciding factor.
> Thanks,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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RE: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

[Todd Patkus]

Dave,

It is easy to say what was written below.  You have to address any bugs to the 
accessibility staff.  You need to show them solid proof the bugs exist.

That is why I encouraged the folks on this list to send an email with any 
issues.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 6:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

There are no accessibility fixes, even Apple is declining this bug!

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available:

Did this update  fix the problem with the cursor not moving when editing text 
in an edit field? I still am running 10.0.1 until they get this situation 
resolved.

Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Oct 31, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Gary Bowers  wrote:

forbes.com
Apple iOS 10.1.1 Is Now Available: What Is Included In The Update?
Amit Chowdhry
Apple has released iOS 10.1.1 to the general public today. The iOS 10.1.1 
update comes one week after iOS 10.1 was released. The reason why Apple quickly 
issued this software update is because it fixes a bug that Forbes contributor 
Gordon Kelly reported exclusively last week. Apple declined to reply to 
requests to acknowledge the bug until now. You can install iOS
10.1.1 by connecting your device to iTunes or downloading it by going to 
Settings > General > Software Update. The iOS 10.1.1 update is available for 
the following devices: iPhone 5 and later, iPad 4th generation and later and 
iPod touch 6th generation and later.
What Is Included In The Update?
The software update is relatively small at under 70MB, which indicates that it 
is a minor update with a few bug fixes. There weren’t any betas of iOS
10.1.1 either. And the changelog of the iOS 10.1.1 software update
says: “This update fixes bugs including an issue where Health data could not be 
viewed for some users.”
There were many complaints about health data not being visible following the 
iOS 10.1.1 update within the Apple Communities forum so it is a relief that 
Apple turned around a fix in a short amount of time:

And Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly said that he was contacted by many people 
directly “with stories of hours spent on the phone to Apple tech support, all 
without resolution.” Many Twitter users also said that they attempted to reboot 
and factory reset the devices, but the Health app data did not reappear:

iOS 10.1 was somewhat of a major update. iOS 10.1 included a “Portrait”
mode, which helps make the most out of the dual cameras in the iPhone 7 Plus. 
The Portrait camera mode essentially utilized the wide-angle and telephoto 
iPhone 7 lenses in a way to create portraits with depth effects.
This makes the subjects of the photos look sharp while also creating blurred 
backgrounds, known as “bokeh” effects. iOS 10.1 also included Transit 
directions for Apple Maps in Japan. And iOS 10.1 also added a “Reduce Motion” 
setting for the Bubble and Screen effects in the Messages app.

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RE: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

[Todd Patkus]

Scott Davert,

I would rather not bother any products from Humanware, for the folks at 
Humanware do not do much.  I would not bother them but simply stay out.

A friend of mine has a Brailliant.  The friend makes similar statements about 
the device as you said.

Scott, I do have a Braille Sense Mini U2 which works good with any devices.  I 
am fine with the U2.

You should better off any contact or any product with Humanware.

Thanks,

Todd



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Davert
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

Hi.
Yes, I've also noticed that the Brailliant display line has had various issues 
with Bluetooth connectivity over the past few years.
The newer firmware seemed to be a bit better when using the HID mode, but I 
haven't honestly used it enough to really say that it's better over a longer 
period of time. I find the Resreshabraille and the HIMS products seem to hold 
the connection better. The first and second generation of the Refreshabraille 
don't seem to hold the connection over a distance of 3 or 4 meters, but the 
newer generation, along with the Braille Edge and Braille Sense tend to hold 
the connection pretty stable for about 10 meters.

Scott

On 11/2/16, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> Todd,
> I use the humanware brailliant bi40 with an iphone 6 and latest ios 10 
> version. I am not sure hwat you ean by what kind or type of 
> bluetooth…. I use the humanware braille protocol… Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 05:01, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>>
>> Anouk,
>>
>> What Braille display from HumanWare are you using?  What type or kind 
>> of bluetooth are you using?
>>
>> I am a strong Braille user.  I have a HIMS Braille Sense U2 Mini with 
>> an iPhone 6s.  they work excellent.
>>
>> I am sure Rich will tell you something.  Let him tell you about his 
>> devices.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: what are your experiences with braille displays and 
>> ios/bluetooth?
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I am doing a lot more with my iphone these days but want to keep my 
>> braille reading skills in tact. I use voicedream a lot and a lot of 
>> the books that I have in there are epub or text so no problem to read 
>> those with a braille display. Only the one that I have now the 
>> humanware brailliant bi40 has a VERY unstable and slow bluetooth 
>> connection. I love it for its form factor its looks its sturdyness 
>> its braille cells and its performance through usb with windows and 
>> mac but its bluetooth performance simply really sucks its slow and 
>> VERY unstable often I am not capable to get the connection back either.
>> I was wondering what are your experiences regarding braille 
>> displays/ios and bluetooth stability? I will be able to get a new 
>> braille display next year and the bluetooth performance will be a major 
>> deciding factor.
>> Thanks,
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>
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RE: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

[Todd Patkus]

Anouk,

Refer this to my last rsponse to Scott Davert.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anouk Radix
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what are your experiences with braille displays and ios/bluetooth?

Hi Scott,
I tried hid also but that does not seem to work on the iphone (by that I mean i 
tried connecting the brailliant while its protocol was set to openbraille 
instead of humanware and the channel to bluetooth).
I dont think the refreshbraille is sold here in the Netherlands but the himms 
displays are being sold here nowedays. I did hear though that some himms 
displays have a bug where braille input/typing is  concerned?
Not that that would be a big issue for me but still… Greetings, Anouk,
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 13:50, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Yes, I've also noticed that the Brailliant display line has had 
> various issues with Bluetooth connectivity over the past few years.
> The newer firmware seemed to be a bit better when using the HID mode, 
> but I haven't honestly used it enough to really say that it's better 
> over a longer period of time. I find the Resreshabraille and the HIMS 
> products seem to hold the connection better. The first and second 
> generation of the Refreshabraille don't seem to hold the connection 
> over a distance of 3 or 4 meters, but the newer generation, along with 
> the Braille Edge and Braille Sense tend to hold the connection pretty 
> stable for about 10 meters.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 11/2/16, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> Todd,
>> I use the humanware brailliant bi40 with an iphone 6 and latest ios 
>> 10 version. I am not sure hwat you ean by what kind or type of 
>> bluetooth…. I use the humanware braille protocol… Greetings, Anouk,
>>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 05:01, Todd Patkus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anouk,
>>> 
>>> What Braille display from HumanWare are you using?  What type or 
>>> kind of bluetooth are you using?
>>> 
>>> I am a strong Braille user.  I have a HIMS Braille Sense U2 Mini 
>>> with an iPhone 6s.  they work excellent.
>>> 
>>> I am sure Rich will tell you something.  Let him tell you about his 
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: what are your experiences with braille displays and 
>>> ios/bluetooth?
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I am doing a lot more with my iphone these days but want to keep my 
>>> braille reading skills in tact. I use voicedream a lot and a lot of 
>>> the books that I have in there are epub or text so no problem to 
>>> read those with a braille display. Only the one that I have now the 
>>> humanware brailliant bi40 has a VERY unstable and slow bluetooth 
>>> connection. I love it for its form factor its looks its sturdyness 
>>> its braille cells and its performance through usb with windows and 
>>> mac but its bluetooth performance simply really sucks its slow and 
>>> VERY unstable often I am not capable to get the connection back either.
>>> I was wondering what are your experiences regarding braille 
>>> displays/ios and bluetooth stability? I will be able to get a new 
>>> braille display next year and the bluetooth performance will be a major 
>>> deciding factor.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> 
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RE: iMessage bug

[Todd Patkus]

Lynnette et al,

If one turns the VO off, how can a deafblind who is a strong Braille user know 
what is going on while he does what you did?  How can he know what the display 
show?

I am sure Rich will tell y'all something.

Todd

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynette frison
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iMessage bug

Hey all,

Since updating to iOS 10.1.1, the messaging apps feature in iMessage doesn't 
work like it's supposed to. The only way to cycle between iMessage apps or 
stickers is to turn VO off and swipe left with one finger. I have quite a few 
sticker packs and apps that I use, so this is very tedious. Has anyone else 
noticed this?

Lynette


Sent from my iPhone

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