Re: Gboard

[Christopher Chaltain]

On Android, you could switch the layout of the Google Keyboard to a PC 
layout, so you got the number keys across the top. I did this on my 
Nexus tablet. I assume this still works, but I haven't gotten around to 
doing it on my S7. I plan to get this keyboard on my iPhones. Once I do, 
I'll play around and post my results. Using the same virtual keyboard 
across my devices will be nice. One less thing to get used to when I 
switch between devices!


On 16/12/16 01:31, M. Taylor wrote:

Thanks for the Feedback, Rich.

Curious, what happens if you turn the phone to landscape orientation?  Assuming 
that orientation lock is off, of course.  Sometimes, various keyboards will 
offer more typing options in landscape mode.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gboard

Mary,
I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the same 
way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key enters 
it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
Interesting.
Richard


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it wouldn't 
surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Mary,

As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
there not?

Mark

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Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gboard

That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if anyone 
has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most interesting 
thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, without having to 
switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That would be nice.
Mary


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Re: Gboard

[Christopher Chaltain]

But is this any different than the native keyboard, other than Apple is 
the developer of the native keyboard? I mean Apple must have access to 
some degree to everything I type otherwise how would they be able to 
offer me any predictions?


On 15/12/16 20:43, M. Taylor wrote:

Mary,

As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
there not?

Mark

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Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gboard

That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if anyone 
has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most interesting 
thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, without having to 
switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That would be nice.
Mary


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Re: Gboard

[Rajmund]

Hello,
On android, though, at least, you can disable google from collecting your data. 
Isn't there a setting like that on the IOS version of the keyboard?



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From: Mary Otten  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:07 am
Subject: Re: Gboard

>
>
> Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
> anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it 
> wouldn't surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > 
> > Mary, 
> > 
> > As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the 
> > fact that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I 
> > believe there is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party 
> > keyboard, is there not?
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Mary Otten
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Gboard
> > 
> > That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if 
> > anyone has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most 
> > interesting thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, 
> > without having to switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That 
> > would be nice.
> > Mary
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Re: Gboard

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Also, it would be interesting, if a bigger phone, or even the iPads include the 
number roe or not.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, December 16, 2016 7:31 am
Subject: RE: Gboard

>
>
> Thanks for the Feedback, Rich.
> 
> Curious, what happens if you turn the phone to landscape orientation?  
> Assuming that orientation lock is off, of course.  Sometimes, various 
> keyboards will offer more typing options in landscape mode.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Gboard
> 
> Mary,
> I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
> On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the 
> same way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
> Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key 
> enters it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
> Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
> Interesting.
> Richard
> 
> 
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> Quintessential Kwanza, and a Happy New Year ... anything you celebrate.
> 
> 
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> - Satsuki Shibuya
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
> anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it 
> wouldn't surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary, 
> 
> As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
> that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
> is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
> there not?
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Gboard
> 
> That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if 
> anyone has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most 
> interesting thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, 
> without having to switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That 
> would be nice.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mário Gabriel]

Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this 
group.

I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
opinion and are above them ...

But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.


Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:


Hi Sieghard

I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I 
said so because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I 
am posting this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 
2  days. Yes it is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot 
say that apple is doing a bad job regarding software updates, and 
specially fixing the problems that their software team are creating 
each IOs update. Mario is right when he says that apple has to be more 
responsible with their customers. I said something similar months ago, 
when I complained about the usability of our phones and the time that 
apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and 
release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude 
shows a strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring 
what is wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your 
attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going to 
fix apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the accessibility 
and hurting apple too. You are defending a company that in the past 
had a very good attitude with the software  and with the bugs  
unrepaired of software. You are defending them when they are no doing 
a good job. I posted those links, no talking about android or 
blackberry, those web pages are talking about the same point that we 
have been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and bad quality 
of software. The android developers are going to fix those problems?


No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix 
this problems?


Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, 
they are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing 
the bugs of those new fancy releases.


Who is going to fix these problems?

We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do 
a lot of noise because we are paying their checks with the products 
that we are buying. It is how market works.


In the last emails  I have said, several times that liking or not. 
Voiceover is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android 
accessibility is better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and 
you will see what is my position about it. I am not saying that Mario 
and many others are wrong, no. They are right, apple is no doing a 
good job with the software. But it doesn’t mean that I am saying that 
apple bs, as you said.


I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that.

However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just 
highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of 
apple software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to 
improve the software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make 
noise. I rather to complain to apple about their low quality. Because 
I am living in The United States where I have the right to complain 
about this kind of things when I paid for that. I am using my right. 
More over this right improves quality and it is what apple and 
customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever said something that you 
don’t like about  apple, are wrong.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

Pablo and others,

You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send 
you 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, 
then I can send you just as many that are the complete opposite and 
the same applies to Google/Android. I can probably even find you some 
die-hard Blackberry fans who are posting that Blackberry is the best 
ever and both iOS and Android are complete BS. I don't think we have 
to get into what is better or if iOS is any good or anything like 
that. The point is that this is an iOS list, we are all here because 
we use iOS devices due to their very good level of accessibility. We 
all know there are bugs and that there always will be bugs. We all  
know that Apple with iOS, Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an 
exclusive on them, Android has them, Windows has t

Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[alia robinson]

this is direct bashing, and should not be allowed on list.
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Mário Gabriel  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, Pablo.
> I make mine, your words.
> Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
> They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American

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small android keyboard

[Louise Peyton]

Hello:
I have a 66 key android keyboard for sale.  What list can I advertise it on?  
Thanks.
Louise Peyton

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Apple TV

[Rich Ring]

I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the 
person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television. What I 
would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue tooth 
speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without having 
to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any thoughts on 
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Re: Apple TV

[Peter Logan]

You can do this...however for the initial setup you are going to need to be 
connected via HDMI to a TV, Soundbar, et.  Once the setup is done and the BT 
speakers paired .. most things should work properly.

I do this .. sometimes things like Netflix give me an error ... but in my case 
I just turn my SB back on and that fixes the issue.  I believe it has to do 
with the video ...Uu

Sent from my iPhone

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> would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue tooth 
> speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without having 
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Apple TV

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I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the 
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Re: iTunes/playlists

[Russ Kiehne]

I had the same problem.  I found the way to fix it, I had mp3tag creat the 
full path to where the mp3 files are located.


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my playlists are importing/working fine.

On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:

The ability to use playlists with iTunes has been broken for almost a year 
now. Several of us have mailed and called accessibil...@apple.com, but it 
doesn't seem to do any good.

We can always just hope that fix it someday.

Thom
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I use to be able to import playlists and now when I do it claims that it 
cannot find any of the files.

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Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Harry Bell]

When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still on 
and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV Settings 
and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging into my Mac 
mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead from my Apple TV 
- then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login details on the Mac 
mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a bit OT but before I 
pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
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Re: Apple TV

[Chris Chaffin]

I do know that the Apple TV can be used without hooking it to an actual TV.  I 
am just not sure regarding its bluetooth capability.
Hopefully someone who knows more will chime in.

Chris


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Re: Apple TV

[Scott Berry]

It can be used with a sound bar that has bluetooth capability.  I have also 
asked Apple to look for all bluetooth devices that are around.


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> I do know that the Apple TV can be used without hooking it to an actual TV.  
> I am just not sure regarding its bluetooth capability.
> Hopefully someone who knows more will chime in.
> 
> Chris
> 
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> On Dec 16, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Rich Ring  > wrote:
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>> I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the 
>> person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television. What 
>> I would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue 
>> tooth speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without 
>> having to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any 
>> thoughts on this matter.
>> Rising with the Phoenix
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Re: Apple TV

[Scott Berry]

It can be done yes but it will take someone sighted for the person to go 
through the initial setup and the reason for this is because VO or the TV 
doesn’t look for any available bluetooth devices around locally.  I have 
already complained about this and hopefully something will be done but yes it 
will work just have to work around this a bit.


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> speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without having 
> to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any thoughts on 
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Re: Apple TV

[Scott Berry]

Peter,

Let me correct you this needs to be a sound bar with HDMI capability or it 
won’t work.


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Peter Logan  wrote:
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> You can do this...however for the initial setup you are going to need to be 
> connected via HDMI to a TV, Soundbar, et.  Once the setup is done and the BT 
> speakers paired .. most things should work properly.
> 
> I do this .. sometimes things like Netflix give me an error ... but in my 
> case I just turn my SB back on and that fixes the issue.  I believe it has to 
> do with the video ...Uu
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television. What 
>> I would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue 
>> tooth speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without 
>> having to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any 
>> thoughts on this matter.
>> Rising with the Phoenix
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>> rich Ring
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RE: Apple TV

[Pablo C. Morales]

You can do also this:

1.   You ask your friend if he/she has a Bluetooth speaker/headset that 
they can bring to your home. You set the apple tv in your home, and connect 
yours’s friend Bluetooth receiver in the new apple tv.

2.   The other choice is that you also buy for your friend a Bluetooth 
speaker or headset, and you set both devices connected to your home’s tv.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Berry
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:57 AM
To: Vi Phone 
Subject: Re: Apple TV

 

Peter,

 

Let me correct you this needs to be a sound bar with HDMI capability or it 
won’t work.

 

 

On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Peter Logan mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You can do this...however for the initial setup you are going to need to be 
connected via HDMI to a TV, Soundbar, et.  Once the setup is done and the BT 
speakers paired .. most things should work properly.

 

I do this .. sometimes things like Netflix give me an error ... but in my case 
I just turn my SB back on and that fixes the issue.  I believe it has to do 
with the video ...Uu

Sent from my iPhone


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I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the 
person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television. What I 
would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good blue tooth 
speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver without having 
to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d appreciate any thoughts on 
this matter.

Rising with the Phoenix

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rich Ring

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Mac and Office

[Chris Chaffin]

Looking to get my first Mac Book but have a question.
I know that you can put Microsoft Office on a Mac, but how accessible is Word 
and Excel with voice over on the Mac?

Would appreciate any input from anyone who has tried Microsoft Office on their 
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Re: Mac and Office

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Try asking on the Macvisionaries list:
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On 12/16/2016 4:20 PM, Chris Chaffin wrote:
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> I know that you can put Microsoft Office on a Mac, but how accessible is Word 
> and Excel with voice over on the Mac?
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RE: Gboard

[Alan Lemly]

I have not played with the Gboard iOS app but I re-read the article Richard 
included in one of his posts on this thread and it mentions that Gboard is 
customizable. I don't know if customizing is required in order to show the 
number row on the keyboard but you had to customize the Fleksy keyboard to do 
this.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gboard

Hello Mary,

I, also, have an Android phone; a Samsung Galaxy S 6.  I was going to get a 
Note 7 but, as I am not a pyromaniac...  (smile).

Anyway, the default keyboard on my S 6 has a number row and it truly is 
convenient.  I've never checked but I think the default keyboard on the S 6 is 
the Samsung keyboard.  So, perhaps we should look for a Samsung third-party 
keyboard, for iOS, instead of the Google keyboard.  

For many, many years, now, I and others have been lobbying for a number row to 
be added to the native iOS keyboard.  

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gboard

Hi Richard,
That is kind of depressing. There's supposedly an update that puts the number 
row in on this keyboard. I have an android phone as well as my iPhone, and I 
have been waiting to get the update to the Google keyboard, but so far it's not 
showing up for me. I had the impression from what I read, that the number row 
was already present in the current version of Gboard on iOS. So what you are 
reporting is disappointing.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Mary,
I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the same 
way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key enters 
it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
Interesting.
Richard


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it wouldn't 
surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Mary, 

As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
there not?

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gboard

That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if anyone 
has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most interesting 
thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, without having to 
switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That would be nice.
Mary


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RE: How do I uninstall the Blind Tunes scripts

[Jerry White]

Good Morning!

 

I just tried uninstalling my Blind Tunes yesterday, and it showed up in the 
Add/Remove programs list.  I went to control panel, typed "uninstall" in the 
search box, and down arrowed to uninstall a program.  Then I arrowed down to 
Blind Tunes, and uninstalled it.

 

If you have already tried this, you might look for a Blind Tunes group under 
the all programs list on the start menu.

 

Good luck!

Jerry

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John Christie
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:26 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: How do I uninstall the Blind Tunes scripts

 

Hi. How do I uninstall the blind Tunes scripts using Windows 7. I tried 
programs and features but I couldn’t find the blind tunes scripts that are used 
with Jaws to make iTunes more accessible. Thanks a lot and have a good day.

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Bing search in Safari

[Deidre Muccio]

I have the Google app on the phone and have to open it up separately if I want 
to use it. Bing results are so miserable compared to google and I don't 
understand why. Anyway it's very inconvenient to have to leave Safari and go to 
google to do my searches  is there any anyway around this?


Also has anyone found the blind mice mart on their iPhones usable? I can't even 
login on the their mobile site actually I'm not even sure it's a mobile site 
but I can't login using my iPhone. It just keeps popping me out of there. It's 
really frustrating. I know I've spoken to the guy years ago he said he doesn't 
know anything about the webpage and and how hot how accessible it is. Again 
that's what he told me years ago so I don't know whether he  has something 
different to say these days. I'm trying to delete my account off my using my 
old desktop email address and switch my account with them to my iPhone Gmail 
address but no luck. I know this is a busy time of year for them so like I've 
been told before this is not a priority for them during high sales time of year!
It's a drag.


 

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Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Jerry White]

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads
the selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now
keeps giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I
press the tab key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and
then it spells out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also,
iTunes doesn't open when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says
it is charging, so I know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes
even if I open iTunes when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if
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RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Larry Lumpkin]

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if they 
were conflicting somehow, but no luck!

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.

Mr. Ed  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group.
I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
opinion and are above them ...
But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.

 

Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Hi Sieghard

I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so 
because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting this 
email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it is an 
IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad 
job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their 
software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he says that 
apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I said something similar 
months ago, when I complained about the usability of our phones and the time 
that apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and 
release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude shows a 
strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring what is wrong. 
Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your attitude defending apple 
when they are no fixing the bugs is going to fix apple in the future. Your 
attitude is hurting the accessibility and hurting apple too. You are defending 
a company that in the past had a very good attitude with the software  and with 
the bugs  unrepaired of software. You are defending them when they are no doing 
a good job. I posted those links, no talking about android or blackberry, those 
web pages are talking about the same point that we have been talking in the 
list these las 2 days. Bugs, and bad quality of software. The android 
developers are going to fix those problems?

No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix this 
problems?

Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, they are 
more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing the bugs of those 
new fancy releases.

Who is going to fix these problems?

We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do a lot of 
noise because we are paying their checks with the products that we are buying. 
It is how market works.

In the last emails  I have said, several times that liking or not. Voiceover is 
the best choice for us. I am not saying that android accessibility is better, 
no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and you will see what is my position 
about it. I am not saying that Mario and many others are wrong, no. They are 
right, apple is no doing a good job with the software. But it doesn’t mean that 
I am saying that apple bs, as you said.

I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that.

However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just 
highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of apple 
software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to improve the 
software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make noise. I rather to 
complain to apple about their low quality. Because I am living in The United 
States where I have the right to complain about this kind of things when I paid 
for that. I am using my right. More over this right improves quality and it is 
what apple and customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever said something 
that you don’t like about  apple, are wrong.

 

 

Fro

Re: small android keyboard

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I think on amazon and ebay. But if you want to send across the state,
let me know its price, I am from India.

On 12/16/16, Louise Peyton  wrote:
> Hello:
> I have a 66 key android keyboard for sale.  What list can I advertise it on?
>  Thanks.
> Louise Peyton
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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[pegkane52]

Thank you for that reply I've been waiting a while before I said something 
really appreciate it very true.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mario and Pablo,
> Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
> do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart 
> phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just 
> trying to say that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the 
> first one to send an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also 
> advises everyone else if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech 
> support.  That is all he meant by his email. I think one issue you guys do 
> not understand is to just contact Apple when there is an issue and not to 
> keep whining about it over and over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention 
> it and see if anyone else is having the same issue. So get off your high 
> horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.
> Mr. Ed  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Gabriel
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
>  
>
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Wow, Pablo.
> I make mine, your words.
> Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
> They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
> And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group.
> I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
> I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
> They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
> opinion and are above them ...
> But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.
> 
> If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
> If they treat me well, I treat them well.
> cheers.
> 
>  
> Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:
> Hi Sieghard
> I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so 
> because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting 
> this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it 
> is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is 
> doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems 
> that their software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he 
> says that apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I said 
> something similar months ago, when I complained about the usability of our 
> phones and the time that apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just 
> ignore the bugs and release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your 
> attitude shows a strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like 
> ignoring what is wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your 
> attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going to fix 
> apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the accessibility and hurting 
> apple too. You are defending a company that in the past had a very good 
> attitude with the software  and with the bugs  unrepaired of software. You 
> are defending them when they are no doing a good job. I posted those links, 
> no talking about android or blackberry, those web pages are talking about the 
> same point that we have been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and 
> bad quality of software. The android developers are going to fix those 
> problems?
> No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix this 
> problems?
> Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, they 
> are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing the bugs of 
> those new fancy releases.
> Who is going to fix these problems?
> We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do a lot 
> of noise because we are paying their checks with the products that we are 
> buying. It is how market works.
> In the last emails  I have said, several times that liking or not. Voiceover 
> is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android accessibility is 
> better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and you will see what is my 
> position about it. I am not saying that Mario and many others are wrong, no. 
> They are right, apple is no doing a good job with the software. But it 
> doesn’t mean that I am saying that apple bs, as you said.
> I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that.
> However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just 
> highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of apple 
> software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to improve the 
> software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make noise. I rather to 
> complain to apple about th

Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Kimberly]

With some Bluetooth keyboards you compare them to more than one device at a 
time. But otherwise you have to go to the device that is not using the keyboard 
and tell it  to forget that device in order for it to pair to the new device. I 
hope that makes sense.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
> log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still 
> on and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV 
> Settings and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging 
> into my Mac mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead 
> from my Apple TV - then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login 
> details on the Mac mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a 
> bit OT but before I pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
> Thanks. 
> Harry
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Re: Bing search in Safari

[Kathy Brandt]

My search engine in Safari is Google. Go to settings/Safari, and you will find 
search engine, from which you can select what you want.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> I have the Google app on the phone and have to open it up separately if I 
> want to use it. Bing results are so miserable compared to google and I don't 
> understand why. Anyway it's very inconvenient to have to leave Safari and go 
> to google to do my searches  is there any anyway around this?
> 
> 
> Also has anyone found the blind mice mart on their iPhones usable? I can't 
> even login on the their mobile site actually I'm not even sure it's a mobile 
> site but I can't login using my iPhone. It just keeps popping me out of 
> there. It's really frustrating. I know I've spoken to the guy years ago he 
> said he doesn't know anything about the webpage and and how hot how 
> accessible it is. Again that's what he told me years ago so I don't know 
> whether he  has something different to say these days. I'm trying to delete 
> my account off my using my old desktop email address and switch my account 
> with them to my iPhone Gmail address but no luck. I know this is a busy time 
> of year for them so like I've been told before this is not a priority for 
> them during high sales time of year!
> It's a drag.
> 
> 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[billy inglis]

hi Harry, I was under the Impression you could pair only one device to 
the apple keyboard, Billy


On 16/12/2016 14:52, Harry Bell wrote:

When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still on 
and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV Settings 
and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging into my Mac 
mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead from my Apple TV 
- then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login details on the Mac 
mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a bit OT but before I 
pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
Thanks.
Harry



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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying that I 
am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?

Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this topic, I 
am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call and send emails to 
them?

Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you are showing 
that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just generalizing putting Mario and 
Me in the same box, it is very similar than segregation, and obviously you are 
doing that due to our race. In any email I didn’t say that anybody is 
discriminating me, or that I feel that someone is segregating me because of my 
race, it is something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this 
topic, I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need to 
call and complain about it.

About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong attitude in 
pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends to reduce the noise 
that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, what he is doing is against the 
accessibility. Against apple, and against himself. If we start to minimize the 
noise of people that is complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the 
problem. He said  that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in 
the list. No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay attention to 
these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about fixing bugs, obviously 
apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. You and everybody here know that 
we have bunches of bugs in voice over for years, and apple never fixed them. It 
shows lack of interest.

Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t worry, it is 
an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the noise of people who is 
being affected for these bugs.

I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to apple, he is 
doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we need to make these 
problems public in the list, we need to make these problems visible to the 
whole community.

Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. Also I 
suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.

Respectfully,

 

didn’t 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.

Mr. Ed  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group.
I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an 
opinion and are above them ...
But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.

 

Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Hi Sieghard

I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so 
because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting this 
email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it is an 
IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad 
job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their 
software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right w

Re: Bing search in Safari

[Deidre Muccio]

I have it set to Google but Google does not ever come up it's always bing.
I just checked it again and Google is indeed selected.
Deidre


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> My search engine in Safari is Google. Go to settings/Safari, and you will 
> find search engine, from which you can select what you want.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Deidre Muccio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have the Google app on the phone and have to open it up separately if I 
>> want to use it. Bing results are so miserable compared to google and I don't 
>> understand why. Anyway it's very inconvenient to have to leave Safari and go 
>> to google to do my searches  is there any anyway around this?
>> 
>> 
>> Also has anyone found the blind mice mart on their iPhones usable? I can't 
>> even login on the their mobile site actually I'm not even sure it's a mobile 
>> site but I can't login using my iPhone. It just keeps popping me out of 
>> there. It's really frustrating. I know I've spoken to the guy years ago he 
>> said he doesn't know anything about the webpage and and how hot how 
>> accessible it is. Again that's what he told me years ago so I don't know 
>> whether he  has something different to say these days. I'm trying to delete 
>> my account off my using my old desktop email address and switch my account 
>> with them to my iPhone Gmail address but no luck. I know this is a busy time 
>> of year for them so like I've been told before this is not a priority for 
>> them during high sales time of year!
>> It's a drag.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

Sighted help won't be required. Initial setup will require a TV yes,
but there's no reason why a blind person can't turn on VO and set it
up herself.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 12/16/16, Scott Berry  wrote:
> It can be done yes but it will take someone sighted for the person to go
> through the initial setup and the reason for this is because VO or the TV
> doesn’t look for any available bluetooth devices around locally.  I have
> already complained about this and hopefully something will be done but yes
> it will work just have to work around this a bit.
>
>
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>>
>> I have purchased an Apple Tv as a Christmas present. Now, don’t laugh, the
>> person for whom I’ve purchased this device does not have a television.
>> What I would like to know, could the Apple TV’s output be sent to a good
>> blue tooth speaker, thus allowing the device to function as a tv receiver
>> without having to own a television? Sounds silly, I know, but I’d
>> appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>> Rising with the Phoenix
>>   www.the-phoenix.net  Sent from my Mac Book
>> Air
>> rich Ring
>> richr...@gmail.com 
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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Pablo,

I apologize to you for putting you in the same email with Mario in regards to 
the race issue. I do read all emails and have listen to you complain and 
complain when you were on this list about a year ago before you left it. Now I 
know why you were gone as you stated in one of your emails that you tried out 
an Android phone. I give you credit as you at least went and tried one compared 
to Mario who just likes to complain all the time but does not write and emails 
to Apple support.

So once again I apologize for including you in my email regarding the race 
issue or any other statement I made in any email. That is not my intent   to 
harm anyone. I was just trying to make you guys realize that by your constant 
complaining on the list is not going to solve the issue with IOS. That why you 
need to voice your issues with Apple support. No one is denying there are bugs 
and some are fix and some are not. 

Mr. Ed 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying that I 
am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?

Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this topic, I 
am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call and send emails to 
them?

Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you are showing 
that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just generalizing putting Mario and 
Me in the same box, it is very similar than segregation, and obviously you are 
doing that due to our race. In any email I didn’t say that anybody is 
discriminating me, or that I feel that someone is segregating me because of my 
race, it is something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this 
topic, I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need to 
call and complain about it.

About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong attitude in 
pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends to reduce the noise 
that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, what he is doing is against the 
accessibility. Against apple, and against himself. If we start to minimize the 
noise of people that is complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the 
problem. He said  that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in 
the list. No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay attention to 
these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about fixing bugs, obviously 
apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. You and everybody here know that 
we have bunches of bugs in voice over for years, and apple never fixed them. It 
shows lack of interest.

Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t worry, it is 
an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the noise of people who is 
being affected for these bugs.

I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to apple, he is 
doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we need to make these 
problems public in the list, we need to make these problems visible to the 
whole community.

Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. Also I 
suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.

Respectfully,

 

didn’t 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.

Mr. Ed  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not a

Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Mário Gabriel]

Sorry Pablo.
it was not my intention put you in the same box.
But you can see how they do not value what you write.
You did not write anything or mention anything that now they accuse you ...
You only wrote the truth, but for them it is not worth anything.
Are you seeing Pablo as you are discriminated?
You tried to be fair in your post  but now you're accused of writing 
things you did not write.


It was me who wrote.

topic close.

cheers.


Às 18:32 de 16/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:


Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying 
that I am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?


Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this 
topic, I am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call 
and send emails to them?


Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you 
are showing that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just 
generalizing putting Mario and Me in the same box, it is very similar 
than segregation, and obviously you are doing that due to our race. In 
any email I didn’t say that anybody is discriminating me, or that I 
feel that someone is segregating me because of my race, it is 
something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this topic, 
I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need 
to call and complain about it.


About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong 
attitude in pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends 
to reduce the noise that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, 
what he is doing is against the accessibility. Against apple, and 
against himself. If we start to minimize the noise of people that is 
complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the problem. He said 
 that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in the list. 
No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay 
attention to these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about 
fixing bugs, obviously apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. 
You and everybody here know that we have bunches of bugs in voice over 
for years, and apple never fixed them. It shows lack of interest.


Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t 
worry, it is an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the 
noise of people who is being affected for these bugs.


I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to 
apple, he is doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we 
need to make these problems public in the list, we need to make these 
problems visible to the whole community.


Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. 
Also I suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.


Respectfully,

didn’t

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mr. Ed

*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has 
nothing to do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out 
that all smart phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the 
best. He was just trying to say that all  software’s have glitches. As 
for Sieghard he is the first one to send an email to Apple support if 
he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else if they have an issue 
with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant by his 
email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and 
over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone 
else is having the same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t 
be throwing out the race card.


Mr. Ed

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mário Gabriel

*Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet


Wow, Pablo.
I make mine, your words.
Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth.
They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not 
American ...
And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this 
group.

I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you.
I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change.
They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have 
an opinion and are above them ...

But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights.

If they treat me badly, I treat them badly.
If they treat me well, I treat them well.
cheers.

Às 20:15 de 15/

RE: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Chip Orange]

My Microsoft Universal bluetooth portable keyboard it can pair up to 3 devices, 
and it has a button to immediately toggle you between you 3 devices.  It also 
has another button to indicate if it's a Windows, IOS or Mac device, which 
changes the functions of some keys.  Around $50, it folds in half so it's about 
6 by 8 inches (roughly), and when folded, it automatically turns off.

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Harry Bell
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Abridged Recipients
Subject: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still on 
and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV Settings 
and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging into my Mac 
mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead from my Apple TV 
- then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login details on the Mac 
mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a bit OT but before I 
pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
Thanks. 
Harry

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Re: Gboard

[Richard Turner]

If anyone finds a way to customize Gboard, let us know.
I think, from the research I've done, the number row is only going to be 
available on Android.
There is nothing about a number row in the iOS Gboard settings.
Richard



>From a recent fortune cookie:
"Any day above ground is a good day."


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> I have not played with the Gboard iOS app but I re-read the article Richard 
> included in one of his posts on this thread and it mentions that Gboard is 
> customizable. I don't know if customizing is required in order to show the 
> number row on the keyboard but you had to customize the Fleksy keyboard to do 
> this.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Gboard
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> I, also, have an Android phone; a Samsung Galaxy S 6.  I was going to get a 
> Note 7 but, as I am not a pyromaniac...  (smile).
> 
> Anyway, the default keyboard on my S 6 has a number row and it truly is 
> convenient.  I've never checked but I think the default keyboard on the S 6 
> is the Samsung keyboard.  So, perhaps we should look for a Samsung 
> third-party keyboard, for iOS, instead of the Google keyboard.  
> 
> For many, many years, now, I and others have been lobbying for a number row 
> to be added to the native iOS keyboard.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Gboard
> 
> Hi Richard,
> That is kind of depressing. There's supposedly an update that puts the number 
> row in on this keyboard. I have an android phone as well as my iPhone, and I 
> have been waiting to get the update to the Google keyboard, but so far it's 
> not showing up for me. I had the impression from what I read, that the number 
> row was already present in the current version of Gboard on iOS. So what you 
> are reporting is disappointing.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> Mary,
> I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
> On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the 
> same way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
> Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key 
> enters it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
> Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
> Interesting.
> Richard
> 
> 
> ...Wishing you a Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, Satisfying Solstice, 
> Quintessential Kwanza, and a Happy New Year ... anything you celebrate.
> 
> 
> �By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
> anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it 
> wouldn't surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary, 
> 
> As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
> that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
> is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
> there not?
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Gboard
> 
> That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if 
> anyone has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most 
> interesting thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, 
> without having to switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That 
> would be nice.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: bluetooth earbud recommendations?

[Chip Orange]

Hi,

I use a horse-shoe shaped unit which rests on your should around your neck; it 
has ear-buds which pull out on wires from the tip of each side of the 
horse-shoe, and when done, you press a button and they are automatically wound 
back into the base unit.

One side of the shoe has buttons for answering and making calls, talking to 
Siri, volume and vibration control; the other has buttons for play/pause, 
previous/next track, and switching between 3 equalizer modes.

Excellent sound quality, and you can use either one or both ear-buds; if you 
walk away from your phone the unit will start to vibrate when you get out of 
bluetooth range.  It's about $80 and comes in a variety of colors (I have 
silver).  I have a text file of notes on how to use the controls.  The unit is:
LG HBS 900

Recommended by my AT&T store.

Hth,

Chip


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Shermeen Khan
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:19 PM
To: viphone
Subject: bluetooth earbud recommendations?

Hello all,

With the recent addition of an infant to our family, my husband and I
are in the market for some Bluetooth ear buds (the kind that suction
into your ear, not the hard, round ones that typically come in the
IPhone box), as a wireless option would be best and not easy to grab
onto with tiny fingers. Any suggestions for ones with decent sound
quality and that are easy to use?

Thanks so much in advance,

Shermeen

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Re: Gboard

[Mary Otten]

Well nuts! I was just about to go try to find it on the App Store. I just got 
the one for my android device, and the number row is in the settings, and I 
turned it on and it is nice. Come on Apple! Give us a number row!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If anyone finds a way to customize Gboard, let us know.
> I think, from the research I've done, the number row is only going to be 
> available on Android.
> There is nothing about a number row in the iOS Gboard settings.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> From a recent fortune cookie:
> "Any day above ground is a good day."
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not played with the Gboard iOS app but I re-read the article Richard 
>> included in one of his posts on this thread and it mentions that Gboard is 
>> customizable. I don't know if customizing is required in order to show the 
>> number row on the keyboard but you had to customize the Fleksy keyboard to 
>> do this.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Gboard
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> I, also, have an Android phone; a Samsung Galaxy S 6.  I was going to get a 
>> Note 7 but, as I am not a pyromaniac...  (smile).
>> 
>> Anyway, the default keyboard on my S 6 has a number row and it truly is 
>> convenient.  I've never checked but I think the default keyboard on the S 6 
>> is the Samsung keyboard.  So, perhaps we should look for a Samsung 
>> third-party keyboard, for iOS, instead of the Google keyboard.  
>> 
>> For many, many years, now, I and others have been lobbying for a number row 
>> to be added to the native iOS keyboard.  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Gboard
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> That is kind of depressing. There's supposedly an update that puts the 
>> number row in on this keyboard. I have an android phone as well as my 
>> iPhone, and I have been waiting to get the update to the Google keyboard, 
>> but so far it's not showing up for me. I had the impression from what I 
>> read, that the number row was already present in the current version of 
>> Gboard on iOS. So what you are reporting is disappointing.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> Mary,
>> I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
>> On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the 
>> same way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
>> Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key 
>> enters it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
>> Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
>> Interesting.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> ...Wishing you a Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, Satisfying Solstice, 
>> Quintessential Kwanza, and a Happy New Year ... anything you celebrate.
>> 
>> 
>> �By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>> - Satsuki Shibuya
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
>> anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it 
>> wouldn't surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, 
>> 
>> As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
>> that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe 
>> there is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party 
>> keyboard, is there not?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Gboard
>> 
>> That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if 
>> anyone has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most 
>> interesting thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, 
>> without having to switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That 
>> would be nice.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Pablo C. Morales]

Mario,

I think that you are right complaining in the email list about your problems 
with the last updates. I think that everybody have to do it. I think that we 
should do it. Here, at the school, at the bus stop, everywhere. As much people 
understand these problems, the power of our complains get stronger. If we just 
say that we have an IOs bug problem, and we just email apple, we have seen that 
this method is no working. It hasn’t been working since years ago.

If we make noise, the people sighted, or blind, with disabilities or without 
then, who are affected with IOs problems, will add their voices to our voices, 
so we will be heard strong and clearly.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Gabriel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 



 

Sorry Pablo.
it was not my intention put you in the same box.
But you can see how they do not value what you write.
You did not write anything or mention anything that now they accuse you ...
You only wrote the truth, but for them it is not worth anything.
Are you seeing Pablo as you are discriminated?
You tried to be fair in your post  but now you're accused of writing things you 
did not write.

It was me who wrote.

topic close.

cheers.

 

Às 18:32 de 16/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu:

Mister Ed.

Could you please show in the list, publicly in which email I am saying that I 
am being discriminated or segregated  due to my race?

Also, could you show in the list, publicly in which email about this topic, I 
am not saying that we need to do is complain to apple, call and send emails to 
them?

Mister Ed, you need to be so careful with your answers, because you are showing 
that you didn’t read my emails, and you are just generalizing putting Mario and 
Me in the same box, it is very similar than segregation, and obviously you are 
doing that due to our race. In any email I didn’t say that anybody is 
discriminating me, or that I feel that someone is segregating me because of my 
race, it is something that you are saying, no me. In all emails about this 
topic, I have saying over and over that we need to write to apple,  we need to 
call and complain about it.

About Sieghard, what I am saying that he always has showed a strong attitude in 
pro of apple, minimizing the IOs bugs, he always pretends to reduce the noise 
that people makes about the apple bugs. Again, what he is doing is against the 
accessibility. Against apple, and against himself. If we start to minimize the 
noise of people that is complaining about the IOs bugs, it will not fix the 
problem. He said  that we need to complain to apple, and stop complaining in 
the list. No, it is no positive for us. I said that we need to complain, here 
and everywhere, about this bugs. It is the way how apple will pay attention to 
these problems. Obviously apple is no so worry about fixing bugs, obviously 
apple has les interest fixing voice over bugs. You and everybody here know that 
we have bunches of bugs in voice over for years, and apple never fixed them. It 
shows lack of interest.

Why they have lack of interest?

Because we have people saying that all IOs have bugs, that don’t worry, it is 
an isolated problem, that this and that. Reducing the noise of people who is 
being affected for these bugs.

I think that Sieghard is doing good asking the people to write to apple, he is 
doing good asking to complain directly to apple. But we need to make these 
problems public in the list, we need to make these problems visible to the 
whole community.

Mister Ed, please be so careful with the answers that you are writing. Also I 
suggest that you read the emails before generalize about this.

Respectfully,

 

didn’t 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

 

Hi Mario and Pablo,

Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to 
do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones 
have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say 
that all  software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send 
an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else 
if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support.  That is all he meant 
by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact 
Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and 
over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the 
same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.

Mr. Ed  

 

From

RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The magic tap is simply a 2-finger double tap, same as what you use on the 
iPhone for answering/hanging up calls, starting/stopping playback etc.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

Hello Sieghard. I assume then that the magic tap is the gesture that you use to 
wake up the Apple Watch. I'll try hitting the digital crown.
Thanks so much.
Paul


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

I have had mixed results with the magic tap. I also find that sometimes when I 
tap the watch just once nothing happens and I have to press the digital crown 
to wake it up other times I do a 1-finger double tap because I want the time 
silently as vibrations and it wakes up and jabbers away.
What seems to work consistently for me with respect to answering calls is to 
press the digital crown when the phone/watch rings as it seems to always place 
focus on the answer button this way.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:29 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

Hi Paul,

Try the Magic Tap (two-finger double-tap). This usually works to answer the 
call. You can also use it to hang up a call.

Best,
Anna



> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody. I've had my Apple Watch for a year and like it very much. 
> However, I have difficulty answering calls. By the time I find the Answer 
> button, I've missed the call. When the phone rings, where is focus placed on 
> the Apple Watch? If you can answer calls consistently, how do you do it?
> Thanks so much.
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RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

[Paul Hunt]

Thanks Sieghard.


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

The magic tap is simply a 2-finger double tap, same as what you use on the 
iPhone for answering/hanging up calls, starting/stopping playback etc.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul Hunt
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

Hello Sieghard. I assume then that the magic tap is the gesture that you use to 
wake up the Apple Watch. I'll try hitting the digital crown.
Thanks so much.
Paul


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

I have had mixed results with the magic tap. I also find that sometimes when I 
tap the watch just once nothing happens and I have to press the digital crown 
to wake it up other times I do a 1-finger double tap because I want the time 
silently as vibrations and it wakes up and jabbers away.
What seems to work consistently for me with respect to answering calls is to 
press the digital crown when the phone/watch rings as it seems to always place 
focus on the answer button this way.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:29 AM
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Subject: Re: Answering calls on my Apple Watch

Hi Paul,

Try the Magic Tap (two-finger double-tap). This usually works to answer the 
call. You can also use it to hang up a call.

Best,
Anna



> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody. I've had my Apple Watch for a year and like it very much. 
> However, I have difficulty answering calls. By the time I find the Answer 
> button, I've missed the call. When the phone rings, where is focus placed on 
> the Apple Watch? If you can answer calls consistently, how do you do it?
> Thanks so much.
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Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.
For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?
I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.
The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.
If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.
When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.
I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if they 
were conflicting somehow, but no luck!

Thanks in advance for your help!
Jerry
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Can I have multiple Dropbox accounts on one device?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

HI,

I'm just wondering if I can have 2 different Dropbox accounts on the same 
device nder different email / Dropbox accounts? I need to keep work info 
completely separate from personal. Thanks, Keith

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RE: bluetooth earbud recommendations?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chermeen,

Yes, they will work on all iPhones. I like the idea that I can use one of the 
Apple earbuds if I want just something to do a phone call, but I can use both 
and can get good stereo sound quality, all the reviews I have seen were quite 
favourible in terms of the sound quality and so on. Keep in mind, though, that 
the Apple Airpods themselves don't have a volume control.
If you want only a single earpiece for phone calls then another good option is 
the Plantronics Voyager Edge. I bought a pair from Amazon last April, but 
unfortunately after 3 or so months the microphones stopped working and nobody 
could hear me anymore even though I could still use them to listen to a book. I 
finally got around to calling Plantronics last week, the lady told me what to 
do to reset them and then repair them, after this didn't fix the problem she 
said they would be replaced as they do have a 1 year warranty. I received an 
email, had to set up a profile and upload my proof of purchase, once that was 
done a replacement earpiece was sent out which arrived inside 2 days. I was 
asked to send back the defective ones to an address in Ontario, but I haven't 
even done so yet and the replacement was sent out anyways. They don't have a 
credit card for me either so I'm not sure what they would do if I didn't sent 
the old earpiece which I intend to do, but just wondering. 
The new one they sent was a completely new earpiece in the retail box with 
cables, charging cradle etc. and they definitely told me all I had to send was 
the earpiece which means I now have a second charging cradle. Very good 
customer service.

Regards,
Sieghard
asked me to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shermeen Khan
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth earbud recommendations?

Thanks, guys! I knew this group wasn't going to let me down. Sieghard, I 
imagine the apple earbuds will work on models older than the seven, right? Dumb 
question, but I have to ask haha. Now off to read reviews of all the ones you 
guys suggested.


Shermeen


On 12/15/16, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How sound proof are these? Do they have a noise canceling quality? Can 
> nearby people hear sound bleeding out from them? Can you use one at a 
> time, if you wish?
>
> Thanks. Keith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of SSEric
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bluetooth earbud recommendations?
>
> I again recommend the Bose SoundSport bluetooth earbuds. They are 
> quite small and light and stay in your ears very well. $149.
>
>
>
> Eric
> sseri...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Daniel L. Gervais 
>  wrote:
>
> there is always the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium which are a deent pair 
> of bluetooth headphones.
>
>
> From:Shermeen Khan 
> To:viphone 
> Date:2016/12/14 7:21 PM
> Subject:Re: bluetooth earbud recommendations?
>
> Hi, just resending this message because I'm persistent and possibly 
> annoying. Please tell me about the bluetooth ear buds you're using and 
> if you like them or not? and then I'll thank you when my husband is 
> happy with his Christmas present! :)
>
> Shermeen
>
>
>> On 12/7/16, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> With the recent addition of an infant to our family, my husband and I 
>> are in the market for some Bluetooth ear buds (the kind that suction 
>> into your ear, not the hard, round ones that typically come in the 
>> IPhone box), as a wireless option would be best and not easy to grab 
>> onto with tiny fingers. Any suggestions for ones with decent sound 
>> quality and that are easy to use?
>>
>> Thanks so much in advance,
>>
>> Shermeen
>>
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RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Rose Combs]

Once they started the 12 series of iTunes it has been horrible in my opinion.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if they 
were conflicting somehow, but no luck!

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

Jerry

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Harry Bell]

Thank you! Apple keyboards are obviously monogamous!

> On 16 Dec 2016, at 17:28, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> With some Bluetooth keyboards you compare them to more than one device at a 
> time. But otherwise you have to go to the device that is not using the 
> keyboard and tell it  to forget that device in order for it to pair to the 
> new device. I hope that makes sense.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
>> log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still 
>> on and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV 
>> Settings and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging 
>> into my Mac mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead 
>> from my Apple TV - then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login 
>> details on the Mac mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a 
>> bit OT but before I pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
>> Thanks. 
>> Harry
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Harry Bell]

Thanks! In that case I'll try pairing my amazon basics keyboard to Apple TV 
instead!

> On 16 Dec 2016, at 19:57, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> My Microsoft Universal bluetooth portable keyboard it can pair up to 3 
> devices, and it has a button to immediately toggle you between you 3 devices. 
>  It also has another button to indicate if it's a Windows, IOS or Mac device, 
> which changes the functions of some keys.  Around $50, it folds in half so 
> it's about 6 by 8 inches (roughly), and when folded, it automatically turns 
> off.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:52 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices
> 
> When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
> log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still 
> on and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV 
> Settings and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging 
> into my Mac mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead 
> from my Apple TV - then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login 
> details on the Mac mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a 
> bit OT but before I pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
> Thanks. 
> Harry
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Casey]

hi where did you get this keyboard from and does it have all the keys 
that are found on A normal keyboard?

And about how long does the battery last between charges?


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard with two devices

[Harry Bell]

Sigh! I think you are right!

> On 16 Dec 2016, at 18:20, billy inglis  wrote:
> 
> hi Harry, I was under the Impression you could pair only one device to the 
> apple keyboard, Billy
> 
>> On 16/12/2016 14:52, Harry Bell wrote:
>> When I turned on my Mac mini, I could not use my Apple Bluetooth keyboard to 
>> log. I realised that this was because my Apple TV (3rd generation) was still 
>> on and the keyboard is also paired to that. So I went into the Apple TV 
>> Settings and told it to Sleep Now, but that made no difference to logging 
>> into my Mac mini. The only thing that worked was to unplug the power lead 
>> from my Apple TV - then my Apple keyboard started working to enter my login 
>> details on the Mac mini. Is there any better solution? I realise this is a 
>> bit OT but before I pair keyboard to new iPhone, I thought I'd ask...
>> Thanks.
>> Harry
>> 
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RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Pablo and I guess Mario,

I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of that nature 
become subject to my delete key.
I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to fix bugs 
and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In fact, they have to 
maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general. Steve Jobbs used to 
say "It just works" when he introduced some new device or feature and that is 
what people expect from Apple. I couldn't care less about the latest fancy 
features Android may have because there are other things I may not like about 
Android. I want a platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and 
which offers a good feature set.
Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about posting 
these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on this list. We 
are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want iOS to be perfect. If 
I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in person once a month and each time I 
complained about how Apple needs to fix their bugs that is not productive. I 
need to tell Apple Accessibility, you need to tell Apple Accessibility and 
every one of the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical monthly get-together 
needs to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this means we all need to 
email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them. Telling each other doesn't 
help, it's like if you have an arguement with a friend. You resolve it by 
having an open and honest discussion with your friend and not by telling 
another friend.
Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody 
experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's feedback, 
but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I don't necessarily 
include a rant about how Apple should have never let this bug happen in the 
first place. Maybe you want feedback from a friend about how you should 
approach your other friend with whom you have the arguement and then it's OK to 
discuss it with your other friend, but you still need to go and have it out 
with the friend with whom you have the arguement. In this case the friend with 
whom you have the arguement is Apple, this list is your friend with whom you 
can talk about how you should handle it.
If you want to tell the sighted world at large about Apple Accessibility and 
how Apple needs to do more than go right ahead, tell everybody at the bus stop 
or at the line up at the checkout counter or post it to the Google Community of 
Rob's Today in iOS Podcast, but complaining continuously on the Viphone list is 
like preaching to the choir, it doesn't help and it just makes most people want 
to whip you with Apple Earpods and Lightning cables *that was supposed to be a 
joke*.
Anyhow, it just gets old, here we all know and experience the bugs and 
challenges with accessibility, we all want it to be better but it will only get 
better if Apple gets more and more feedback and good feedback which means good 
and detailed bug reports and not rants about how this should just all be fixed.
Yes, sometimes it seems inexcusable how some bugs persist throughout a beta 
cycle or even multiple major releases of iOS. But to say Apple is not fixing 
bugs or that they are not improving accessibility with new features is garbage, 
I'm sure the team at Apple that is in charge of Voiceover and accessibility 
tries very hard and that they do all they can, but Apple is not just that team 
and I'm sure they are sometimes just as frustrated as you are that a new 
version gets released with new bugs or old bugs which haven't been fixed.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

Hi Sieghard
I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so 
because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting this 
email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it is an 
IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad 
job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their 
software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he says that 
apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I said something similar 
months ago, when I complained about the usability of our phones and the time 
that apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and 
release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude shows a 
strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring what is wrong. 
Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your attitude defending apple 
when they are no fixing the bugs is going to fix apple in the future. Your 
attitude is hurting the accessibility a

Apple is not doing their Job???

[Dianne Phelps]

I have bitten my writing tongue for some time since IOS 10 came out. I don't
know where the moderators are for this list; but this topic needs a healthy
and fast stop.

 

Apple is not the only corporation making changes to software which either
change or make more difficult our use of the technology we have come to
depend upon. AVG has now become incompatible with JAWS for version 18. I
went to download the new version the other night, and it locked up my tablet
to the point where I had to make a mad dash to see my computer guys at
Staples to help me dig it out.

 

The fact is software always comes out with bugs. I didn't understand that in
the beginning of the whole computer revolution, and I still don't; however,
this is the way it is. As consumers, we must act accordingly. We can either
find work-arounds, change devices or wait for the next update. Whining about
it isn't going to make it be fixed any faster, and approaching the
manufactures and writers of software with the negative tone I have seen by
some on this list won't get anything done faster and might even curtail
Apple's willingness to work at any of this.

 

Furthermore, turning this into a racial discrimination matter is just beyond
ridiculous. STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!

 

This list and its members just aren't like that, and bringing that issue
into the discussion here is appalling .

 

We are all facing problems as technology changes, and all I can think of is
that we have way more than some of us had when growing up. People who want
things to change could study and major in computer programming and
engineering and work in the field as so many, including some on this list
have done. Having intelligent conversations with tech support, offering
suggestions might help. But, the vitriol won't get us anywhere.

 

I am sorry to get upon my 67-year-old high horse, but knock it off right
now! Do something positive to help the situation rather than wasting time
whining and complaining.

 

Annoyed with this nonsense,

 

Dianne and Hibiscus

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RE: Can I have multiple Dropbox accounts on one device?

[Cristóbal]

I use FileBrowser which enables me to have multiple cloud storage accounts set 
up. This includes a couple of GoogleDrive accounts for example. I’m sure other 
apps can offer similar functionality.

 

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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can I have multiple Dropbox accounts on one device?

 

HI,

 

I’m just wondering if I can have 2 different Dropbox accounts on the same 
device nder different email / Dropbox accounts? I need to keep work info 
completely separate from personal. Thanks, Keith

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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Brice Smith]

Furthermore, accessibility problems are not the only problems. There’s
a troubling tendency among consumers of assistive technology to
believe that if we didn’t use assistive technology, our user
experience would be perfect. But If you have an Android phone running
7.1.1, you might encounter problems with Bluetooth, reception, or
sound/speakers. And some iPhone users are concerned with battery,
VoLTE/LTE/Wifi and iCloud issues.

Technology is always changing and far from perfect.

On 12/16/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Pablo and I guess Mario,
>
> I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of that
> nature become subject to my delete key.
> I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to fix bugs
> and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In fact, they have
> to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general. Steve Jobbs
> used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new device or feature
> and that is what people expect from Apple. I couldn't care less about the
> latest fancy features Android may have because there are other things I may
> not like about Android. I want a platform that is rock solid, secure, super
> accessible and which offers a good feature set.
> Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about posting
> these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on this list. We
> are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want iOS to be perfect.
> If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in person once a month and each
> time I complained about how Apple needs to fix their bugs that is not
> productive. I need to tell Apple Accessibility, you need to tell Apple
> Accessibility and every one of the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical
> monthly get-together needs to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this
> means we all need to email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them.
> Telling each other doesn't help, it's like if you have an arguement with a
> friend. You resolve it by having an open and honest discussion with your
> friend and not by telling another friend.
> Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody
> experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's
> feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I don't
> necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let this bug
> happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a friend about how
> you should approach your other friend with whom you have the arguement and
> then it's OK to discuss it with your other friend, but you still need to go
> and have it out with the friend with whom you have the arguement. In this
> case the friend with whom you have the arguement is Apple, this list is your
> friend with whom you can talk about how you should handle it.
> If you want to tell the sighted world at large about Apple Accessibility and
> how Apple needs to do more than go right ahead, tell everybody at the bus
> stop or at the line up at the checkout counter or post it to the Google
> Community of Rob's Today in iOS Podcast, but complaining continuously on the
> Viphone list is like preaching to the choir, it doesn't help and it just
> makes most people want to whip you with Apple Earpods and Lightning cables
> *that was supposed to be a joke*.
> Anyhow, it just gets old, here we all know and experience the bugs and
> challenges with accessibility, we all want it to be better but it will only
> get better if Apple gets more and more feedback and good feedback which
> means good and detailed bug reports and not rants about how this should just
> all be fixed.
> Yes, sometimes it seems inexcusable how some bugs persist throughout a beta
> cycle or even multiple major releases of iOS. But to say Apple is not fixing
> bugs or that they are not improving accessibility with new features is
> garbage, I'm sure the team at Apple that is in charge of Voiceover and
> accessibility tries very hard and that they do all they can, but Apple is
> not just that team and I'm sure they are sometimes just as frustrated as you
> are that a new version gets released with new bugs or old bugs which haven't
> been fixed.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
>
> Hi Sieghard
> I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so
> because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting
> this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it
> is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is
> doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the
> problems that their software team are creating each IOs update. Mar

is this a bug for the i phone?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
We updated my hubby’s i phone today.  Now, when you run your fingers over the 
icons on the screen, it says “slc800).”  when you try and type on the keyboard, 
it says “SLC 800 char norm” or “SLC char cap”, plus the letter you are 
attempting to type.  The output of the letters/characters seems to be normal, 
if you can actually stand to type!!

So, is this  a bug in the latest update?

he’s got an i phone 6 plus running the latest IOS 10.whatever…

Thanks!
Cait

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Re: Gboard

[Christopher Chaltain]

I took a look earlier today, and I didn't see anything in the IOS Gboard 
to give you number keys, but when looking for different languages, I saw 
a lot that were listed as coming soon, so maybe it's on the way.


BTW, on Android, I still had my old Google Keyboard, and I was able to 
add the English US PC keyboard to my S7 and switch to it, which gave me 
the number row. Right after that Gboard became available, so it turns 
out that was just a good learning experience, but otherwise was time I 
could have saved!


On 16/12/16 14:09, Mary Otten wrote:

Well nuts! I was just about to go try to find it on the App Store. I just got 
the one for my android device, and the number row is in the settings, and I 
turned it on and it is nice. Come on Apple! Give us a number row!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

If anyone finds a way to customize Gboard, let us know.
I think, from the research I've done, the number row is only going to be 
available on Android.
There is nothing about a number row in the iOS Gboard settings.
Richard



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On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

I have not played with the Gboard iOS app but I re-read the article Richard 
included in one of his posts on this thread and it mentions that Gboard is 
customizable. I don't know if customizing is required in order to show the 
number row on the keyboard but you had to customize the Fleksy keyboard to do 
this.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Gboard

Hello Mary,

I, also, have an Android phone; a Samsung Galaxy S 6.  I was going to get a 
Note 7 but, as I am not a pyromaniac...  (smile).

Anyway, the default keyboard on my S 6 has a number row and it truly is 
convenient.  I've never checked but I think the default keyboard on the S 6 is 
the Samsung keyboard.  So, perhaps we should look for a Samsung third-party 
keyboard, for iOS, instead of the Google keyboard.

For many, many years, now, I and others have been lobbying for a number row to 
be added to the native iOS keyboard.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gboard

Hi Richard,
That is kind of depressing. There's supposedly an update that puts the number 
row in on this keyboard. I have an android phone as well as my iPhone, and I 
have been waiting to get the update to the Google keyboard, but so far it's not 
showing up for me. I had the impression from what I read, that the number row 
was already present in the current version of Gboard on iOS. So what you are 
reporting is disappointing.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Mary,
I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the same 
way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key enters 
it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
Interesting.
Richard


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it wouldn't 
surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Mary,

As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
there not?

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gboard

That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if anyone 
has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the most interesting 
thing about it is that it seemingly includes a number row, without having to 
switch like you do with the standard Apple keyboard. That would be nice.
Mary


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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Christopher Chaltain]

This is just my opinion, but Sieghard, you make it sound like Android is 
not rock solid or secure, and that isn't how I feel. I do think Android 
and Talk Back are rock solid. IMHO, maybe even more so than IOS and 
VoiceOver. For what I use my phone for, I feel I run into fewer bugs on 
my S7 then I do on my iPhone, but obviously a lot of this is dependent 
on how someone uses their phone.


I will grant that Android is not as secure as IOS, but I have yet to be 
compromised. I run some anti-malware software on my S7, and I'm careful 
on where I get apps. With this, I think Android is as secure as I need 
it to be. I'm willing to put up with some of Android's warts in order to 
take advantage of some of it's features, but obviously not everyone will 
be in the same boat.


I'm not trying to sell anyone on Android, and it definitely has some 
issues that haven't been touched on in this thread. Apple and the iPhone 
are great choices, but I really believe we have two good options here 
for an accessible mobile platform, and it's great that people have this 
choice and can take advantages of the strengths in each platform.


On 16/12/16 16:25, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Pablo and I guess Mario,



I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of that
nature become subject to my delete key.

I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to fix
bugs and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In fact,
they have to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general.
Steve Jobbs used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new
device or feature and that is what people expect from Apple. I couldn't
care less about the latest fancy features Android may have because there
are other things I may not like about Android. I want a platform that is
rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a good feature set.

Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about
posting these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on
this list. We are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want
iOS to be perfect. If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in person
once a month and each time I complained about how Apple needs to fix
their bugs that is not productive. I need to tell Apple Accessibility,
you need to tell Apple Accessibility and every one of the 25 guys I am
meeting in my hypothetical monthly get-together needs to tell Apple
Accessibility. For this group this means we all need to email and/or
call Apple Accessibility and tell them. Telling each other doesn't help,
it's like if you have an arguement with a friend. You resolve it by
having an open and honest discussion with your friend and not by telling
another friend.

Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody
experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's
feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I
don't necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let
this bug happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a
friend about how you should approach your other friend with whom you
have the arguement and then it's OK to discuss it with your other
friend, but you still need to go and have it out with the friend with
whom you have the arguement. In this case the friend with whom you have
the arguement is Apple, this list is your friend with whom you can talk
about how you should handle it.

If you want to tell the sighted world at large about Apple Accessibility
and how Apple needs to do more than go right ahead, tell everybody at
the bus stop or at the line up at the checkout counter or post it to the
Google Community of Rob's Today in iOS Podcast, but complaining
continuously on the Viphone list is like preaching to the choir, it
doesn't help and it just makes most people want to whip you with Apple
Earpods and Lightning cables **that was supposed to be a joke**.

Anyhow, it just gets old, here we all know and experience the bugs and
challenges with accessibility, we all want it to be better but it will
only get better if Apple gets more and more feedback and good feedback
which means good and detailed bug reports and not rants about how this
should just all be fixed.

Yes, sometimes it seems inexcusable how some bugs persist throughout a
beta cycle or even multiple major releases of iOS. But to say Apple is
not fixing bugs or that they are not improving accessibility with new
features is garbage, I'm sure the team at Apple that is in charge of
Voiceover and accessibility tries very hard and that they do all they
can, but Apple is not just that team and I'm sure they are sometimes
just as frustrated as you are that a new version gets released with new
bugs or old bugs which haven't been fixed.



Regards,

Sieghard



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Behalf Of *Pablo C. Morales
*Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:15 PM
*To:

RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Larry Lumpkin]

Sieghart,

I do have this itunes version and am not seeing the accessibility improvements 
here yet.  I am running latest everything—windows 10, jaws 18 and itunes.  Can 
you suggest anything I need to do?  Thanks.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if they 
were conflicting somehow, but no luck!

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

Jerry

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Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Kimberly]

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
> seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.
> For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about 
> the same version?
> I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
> running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not 
> sure if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot 
> of issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.
> The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.
>  
> I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
> selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
> time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
> genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
> pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything 
> I selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
> artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
> match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
> select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
> or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.
>  
> With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
> for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
> my phone.
> If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
> said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
> removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
> letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
> focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and 
> down arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and 
> once again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.
>  
> With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
> spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button 
> would sync them.
>  
> I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 
> laptop is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge 
> accessibility improvement.
> When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
> have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
> through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
> each item and all in all this is great news.
> I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not 
> the fault of Windows or the screenreader.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18
>  
> The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
> think its functionality is very poor.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry White
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18
>  
> After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
> all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
> selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
> giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the 
> tab key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it 
> spells out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes 
> doesn't open when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is 
> charging, so I know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if 
> I open iTunes when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?
>  
> I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if 
> they were conflicting somehow, but no luck!
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> Jerry
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Re: is this a bug for the i phone?

[Richard Turner]

I've never heard of this one. I do not believe it is a bug.
It could be something got corrupted in the update, or something got labeled 
incorrectly, who knows.
First, try rebooting by holding down the home and power buttons together for 
about 6 or 8 seconds and let it reboot which can take a few minutes.
If it is still misbehaving like that, call Apple Accessibility. They can now do 
a share your screen thing so they can see your screen. They cannot access your 
phone, just see what is happening.
If you have access to an Apple store, you may want to take it in after making 
an appointment.
Best of luck,
Richard



>From a recent fortune cookie:
"Any day above ground is a good day."


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> We updated my hubby’s i phone today.  Now, when you run your fingers over the 
> icons on the screen, it says “slc800).”  when you try and type on the 
> keyboard, it says “SLC 800 char norm” or “SLC char cap”, plus the letter you 
> are attempting to type.  The output of the letters/characters seems to be 
> normal, if you can actually stand to type!!
> 
> So, is this  a bug in the latest update?
> 
> he’s got an i phone 6 plus running the latest IOS 10.whatever…
> 
> Thanks!
> Cait
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RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Larry Lumpkin]

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed, and I tried uninstalling them to see if they 
were conflicting somehow, but no luck!

 

Thanks in advance for your help!

Jerry

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RE: small android keyboard

[Louise Peyton]

Hello:
Do you live in the U.s.?  I can only take money orders in the U.s.  Thanks.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: small android keyboard

I think on amazon and ebay. But if you want to send across the state, let me 
know its price, I am from India.

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> I have a 66 key android keyboard for sale.  What list can I advertise it on?
>  Thanks.
> Louise Peyton
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RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Larry,

Nothing I can suggest, I am seeing this on my PC at work where I still use 
Windows 7. I'll update iTunes tonight on my new Windows 10 laptop at home and 
hopefully I'll find it is the same, but who knows.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi,

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.
For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?
I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.
The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.
If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.
When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.
I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I 

questions about iPad Air II

[regina alvarado]

A question about the iPad air II. Is there a way to lock screen in portrait? Is 
there a setting for turning off audio ducking? 



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RE: is this a bug for the i phone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would start by doing a simple reboot of the phone as in turn it all the way 
off, wait 30 seconds and turn it back on.
If that doesn't help maybe try the hard reset (holding power and home buttons 
together for about 6 or 8 seconds).
If I do an iOS update I have gotten used to always doing a reboot. Yes, the 
phone reboots as part of the update, but I have seen small issues too often 
which were fixed by a reboot so now after the update finishes and I'm back on 
the home screen I always turn the phone off for 30 seconds or a minute and then 
turn it back on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is this a bug for the i phone?


I've never heard of this one. I do not believe it is a bug.
It could be something got corrupted in the update, or something got labeled 
incorrectly, who knows.
First, try rebooting by holding down the home and power buttons together for 
about 6 or 8 seconds and let it reboot which can take a few minutes.
If it is still misbehaving like that, call Apple Accessibility. They can now do 
a share your screen thing so they can see your screen. They cannot access your 
phone, just see what is happening.
If you have access to an Apple store, you may want to take it in after making 
an appointment.
Best of luck,
Richard



>From a recent fortune cookie:
"Any day above ground is a good day."


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> We updated my hubby’s i phone today.  Now, when you run your fingers over the 
> icons on the screen, it says “slc800).”  when you try and type on the 
> keyboard, it says “SLC 800 char norm” or “SLC char cap”, plus the letter you 
> are attempting to type.  The output of the letters/characters seems to be 
> normal, if you can actually stand to type!!
> 
> So, is this  a bug in the latest update?
> 
> he’s got an i phone 6 plus running the latest IOS 10.whatever…
> 
> Thanks!
> Cait
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RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Mr. Ed]

I updated my two W10 computers to the latest iTunes. I can now arrow around in 
my music library just fine now as I was not able to do that before the latest 
update.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaws reads the 
selection that is selected when the program opens.  Any key I hit now keeps 
giving me a "invalid script call to " whatever key I press.  If I press the tab 
key, then Jaws says "Invalid script call to the tab key", and then it spells 
out "the tab key".  Anyone else having this problem?  Also, iTunes doesn't open 
when I connect my iPhone anymore, but my iPhone 6 says it is charging, so I 
know the cable is ok.  I get the above error in iTunes even if I open iTunes 
when my phone isn't connected.  Any thoughts?

 

I did have Blind Tunes installed

RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not at all, Christopher, I am partial to iOS but I'm not an Apple fan boy in 
any extreme way. I said that "there are other things I may not like about 
Android. I want a 
platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a good 
feature set."
As you see I said "platform" I didn't say I want "iOS to be rock solid etc.". 
Android maybe rock solid, I'm not using it so I can't say except for what I 
hear from friends who have used it or are using it. Anyhow, that wasn't my 
point, my point is that bitching in general about anything to people who can't 
do anything about it typically doesn't have much of a result and if it goes on 
too long it just ticks people off. I can complain all day long about our 
government, but if I don't vote I am not participating in an active way to 
change it. The same goes for any software, if I don't report bugs, maybe even 
participate in public beta programs and so on and all I do is complain to a 
group of people who already know the problems I am not helping. It doesn't 
matter if that is iOS, Android, Windows or whatever.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

This is just my opinion, but Sieghard, you make it sound like Android is not 
rock solid or secure, and that isn't how I feel. I do think Android and Talk 
Back are rock solid. IMHO, maybe even more so than IOS and VoiceOver. For what 
I use my phone for, I feel I run into fewer bugs on my S7 then I do on my 
iPhone, but obviously a lot of this is dependent on how someone uses their 
phone.

I will grant that Android is not as secure as IOS, but I have yet to be 
compromised. I run some anti-malware software on my S7, and I'm careful on 
where I get apps. With this, I think Android is as secure as I need it to be. 
I'm willing to put up with some of Android's warts in order to take advantage 
of some of it's features, but obviously not everyone will be in the same boat.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on Android, and it definitely has some issues 
that haven't been touched on in this thread. Apple and the iPhone are great 
choices, but I really believe we have two good options here for an accessible 
mobile platform, and it's great that people have this choice and can take 
advantages of the strengths in each platform.

On 16/12/16 16:25, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Pablo and I guess Mario,
>
>
>
> I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of 
> that nature become subject to my delete key.
>
> I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to 
> fix bugs and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In 
> fact, they have to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general.
> Steve Jobbs used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new 
> device or feature and that is what people expect from Apple. I 
> couldn't care less about the latest fancy features Android may have 
> because there are other things I may not like about Android. I want a 
> platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a good 
> feature set.
>
> Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about 
> posting these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on 
> this list. We are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want 
> iOS to be perfect. If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in 
> person once a month and each time I complained about how Apple needs 
> to fix their bugs that is not productive. I need to tell Apple 
> Accessibility, you need to tell Apple Accessibility and every one of 
> the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical monthly get-together needs 
> to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this means we all need to 
> email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them. Telling each 
> other doesn't help, it's like if you have an arguement with a friend. 
> You resolve it by having an open and honest discussion with your 
> friend and not by telling another friend.
>
> Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody 
> experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's 
> feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I 
> don't necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let 
> this bug happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a 
> friend about how you should approach your other friend with whom you 
> have the arguement and then it's OK to discuss it with your other 
> friend, but you still need to go and have it out with the friend with 
> whom you have the arguement. In this case the friend with whom you 
> have the arguement is Apple, this list is your friend with whom you 
> can talk about how you should handle it.
>
> If you want to tel

RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Larry Lumpkin]

Glad to hear it.  Are you using jaws and version 18?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

I updated my two W10 computers to the latest iTunes. I can now arrow around in 
my music library just fine now as I was not able to do that before the latest 
update.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone else having this problem?  When I open iTunes, Jaw

RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Larry Lumpkin]

Let us know would you?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Hi Larry,

 

Nothing I can suggest, I am seeing this on my PC at work where I still use 
Windows 7. I'll update iTunes tonight on my new Windows 10 laptop at home and 
hopefully I'll find it is the same, but who knows.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 7 PC, I cannot use iTunes at 
all!  Is anyone el

RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

[Mr. Ed]

Yes, using the latest version of Jaws 18.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Glad to hear it.  Are you using jaws and version 18?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

I updated my two W10 computers to the latest iTunes. I can now arrow around in 
my music library just fine now as I was not able to do that before the latest 
update.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Anyone seeing this improvement for windows 10?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 6:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fantastic accessibility improvements with iTunes 12.5.4.42, was: 
Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

Wow, this is great news. I'm going to do the update now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone


On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi,

 

I was going to post a new message about the latest iTunes update because I am 
seeing some fantastic accessibility improvements.

For those who posted about having a worse experience, are we talking about the 
same version?

I just opened iTunes on my PC at work and it said there was an update. I am 
running Windows 7 on this PC with the latest update of Jaws 18, so I'm not sure 
if it's the latest Jaws 18 update or the iTunes update which fixed a lot of 
issues, but since Jaws didn't mention iTunes I assume it is iTunes.

The version I just downloaded is 12.5.4.42.

 

I connected my iPhone and I see full accessibility restored when it comes to 
selecting and syncing apps, music and tones. This has been broken for a long 
time, but now Jaws once again goes into list views of artists, albums and 
genres and each artist, album and genre has a checkbox which I can check by 
pressing the spacebar, I can then tap to Apply and activate it and everything I 
selected will sync. I tried it by selecting 5 artists and 1 album from an 
artist I hadn't selected and it synced 185 songs, so you can actually mix and 
match in that you could select a particular genre like POP, then you could 
select a number of artists from other genres and albums from yet other genres 
or from artists where you don't want to sync all albums you may have.

 

With apps I found that Jaws read the app in the list and it said "Installed" 
for apps which I didn't have on my iPhone and "Remove" for apps I did have on 
my phone.

If I went to an app which said "Install" and I pressed the spacebar it then 
said "To be Installed", if the app said "Remove" then it would say "To be 
removed". The only thing is that if you are way down in the list say at the 
letter S or T and you press the spacebar on an app to install or remove it, 
focus jumps all the way back up to the top. But once you use page down and down 
arrow to get back to where you were the item was correctly marked and once 
again activating Apply would install/remove whatever you flagged.

 

With tones the list of all my ringtones was once again read by Jaws and again 
spacebar would check or uncheck the tones and activating the Apply button would 
sync them.

 

I didn't have time yet to look at iTunes File Transfer and my Windows 10 laptop 
is at home so I couldn't try it there. But this is a huge accessibility 
improvement.

When I'm in the music library and have the column browser activated I still 
have to refresh the screen a lot for Jaws to read my selection as I arrow 
through genres, artists and albums, but it also does no longer say "L1" with 
each item and all in all this is great news.

I assume that the changes are with iTunes which goes to show that it is not the 
fault of Windows or the screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

The newest itunes update didn’t do much for me either.  I can use it but I 
think its functionality is very poor.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jerry White
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iTunes update and Jaws 18

 

After the latest update to iTunes on my Windows 

Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Devin Prater]

Yes, I agree Christopher. Android is an option now. If someone doesn't like
where iOS is headed, switch to Android. That's not a snarky remark, either.
It's an invitation.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016, 6:47 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Not at all, Christopher, I am partial to iOS but I'm not an Apple fan boy
> in any extreme way. I said that "there are other things I may not like
> about Android. I want a
> platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a
> good feature set."
> As you see I said "platform" I didn't say I want "iOS to be rock solid
> etc.". Android maybe rock solid, I'm not using it so I can't say except for
> what I hear from friends who have used it or are using it. Anyhow, that
> wasn't my point, my point is that bitching in general about anything to
> people who can't do anything about it typically doesn't have much of a
> result and if it goes on too long it just ticks people off. I can complain
> all day long about our government, but if I don't vote I am not
> participating in an active way to change it. The same goes for any
> software, if I don't report bugs, maybe even participate in public beta
> programs and so on and all I do is complain to a group of people who
> already know the problems I am not helping. It doesn't matter if that is
> iOS, Android, Windows or whatever.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
>
> This is just my opinion, but Sieghard, you make it sound like Android is
> not rock solid or secure, and that isn't how I feel. I do think Android and
> Talk Back are rock solid. IMHO, maybe even more so than IOS and VoiceOver.
> For what I use my phone for, I feel I run into fewer bugs on my S7 then I
> do on my iPhone, but obviously a lot of this is dependent on how someone
> uses their phone.
>
> I will grant that Android is not as secure as IOS, but I have yet to be
> compromised. I run some anti-malware software on my S7, and I'm careful on
> where I get apps. With this, I think Android is as secure as I need it to
> be. I'm willing to put up with some of Android's warts in order to take
> advantage of some of it's features, but obviously not everyone will be in
> the same boat.
>
> I'm not trying to sell anyone on Android, and it definitely has some
> issues that haven't been touched on in this thread. Apple and the iPhone
> are great choices, but I really believe we have two good options here for
> an accessible mobile platform, and it's great that people have this choice
> and can take advantages of the strengths in each platform.
>
> On 16/12/16 16:25, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > Pablo and I guess Mario,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of
> > that nature become subject to my delete key.
> >
> > I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to
> > fix bugs and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In
> > fact, they have to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in
> general.
> > Steve Jobbs used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new
> > device or feature and that is what people expect from Apple. I
> > couldn't care less about the latest fancy features Android may have
> > because there are other things I may not like about Android. I want a
> > platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a
> good feature set.
> >
> > Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about
> > posting these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on
> > this list. We are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want
> > iOS to be perfect. If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in
> > person once a month and each time I complained about how Apple needs
> > to fix their bugs that is not productive. I need to tell Apple
> > Accessibility, you need to tell Apple Accessibility and every one of
> > the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical monthly get-together needs
> > to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this means we all need to
> > email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them. Telling each
> > other doesn't help, it's like if you have an arguement with a friend.
> > You resolve it by having an open and honest discussion with your
> > friend and not by telling another friend.
> >
> > Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody
> > experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's
> > feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I
> > don't necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let
> > this bug happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a
> > friend about how you should approach your other friend with whom you
> > hav

Managing storage

[Deidre Muccio]

I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to free up some space on my phone by 
getting rid of some books and videos and music. I see that tune in radio, Bard 
mobile, and Facebook are the biggest hogs of all. A friend suggested that I 
delete an app like Facebook every so often and that that will clear some of the 
data stored in that app. Is that true? As it is it appears that only in the 
full-fledged version that I can access on my desktop am I actually able to 
delete a lot of stuff that I've got stored on my page such as photo albums, 
activity log posts etc.. I'm pretty sure that that has nothing to do with voice 
over but is just a function of the mobile version.

Funny enough, a lot of the things I had stored it in voice dream reader didn't 
seem to take up much space even though some of those documents were lengthy. I 
don't really understand why those documents would've taken up less space than 
let's say a barred book of the same that would take the same amount of time to 
read I guess it's just different formatting.
Deidre

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considering to by an apple tv

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Hello! i considering to by apple tv and i have a few questions
1. does apple tv possable to setup with one tv and after that can i move to 
another tv? or i needs to be setup with one device.
2. does apple tv recognize auttomatticaly or i needs to select HDMI setting on 
the settings of my tv?
3. i needs to ask help for setting up from a site person before that VoiceOver 
will start talk? 
Thanks for anny info. 

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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Christopher Chaltain]

Gotcha Sieghard, and I meant to say in my initial post that I totally 
agree with the point you're making.


BTW, I don't think of you as an Apple fan boy. I think of you as a 
pretty reasonable guy, and I know you use and respect multiple platforms.


On 16/12/16 18:47, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Not at all, Christopher, I am partial to iOS but I'm not an Apple fan boy in any 
extreme way. I said that "there are other things I may not like about Android. 
I want a
platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a good 
feature set."
As you see I said "platform" I didn't say I want "iOS to be rock solid etc.". 
Android maybe rock solid, I'm not using it so I can't say except for what I hear from friends who 
have used it or are using it. Anyhow, that wasn't my point, my point is that bitching in general 
about anything to people who can't do anything about it typically doesn't have much of a result and 
if it goes on too long it just ticks people off. I can complain all day long about our government, 
but if I don't vote I am not participating in an active way to change it. The same goes for any 
software, if I don't report bugs, maybe even participate in public beta programs and so on and all 
I do is complain to a group of people who already know the problems I am not helping. It doesn't 
matter if that is iOS, Android, Windows or whatever.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

This is just my opinion, but Sieghard, you make it sound like Android is not 
rock solid or secure, and that isn't how I feel. I do think Android and Talk 
Back are rock solid. IMHO, maybe even more so than IOS and VoiceOver. For what 
I use my phone for, I feel I run into fewer bugs on my S7 then I do on my 
iPhone, but obviously a lot of this is dependent on how someone uses their 
phone.

I will grant that Android is not as secure as IOS, but I have yet to be 
compromised. I run some anti-malware software on my S7, and I'm careful on 
where I get apps. With this, I think Android is as secure as I need it to be. 
I'm willing to put up with some of Android's warts in order to take advantage 
of some of it's features, but obviously not everyone will be in the same boat.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on Android, and it definitely has some issues 
that haven't been touched on in this thread. Apple and the iPhone are great 
choices, but I really believe we have two good options here for an accessible 
mobile platform, and it's great that people have this choice and can take 
advantages of the strengths in each platform.

On 16/12/16 16:25, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Pablo and I guess Mario,



I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of
that nature become subject to my delete key.

I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to
fix bugs and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In
fact, they have to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general.
Steve Jobbs used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new
device or feature and that is what people expect from Apple. I
couldn't care less about the latest fancy features Android may have
because there are other things I may not like about Android. I want a
platform that is rock solid, secure, super accessible and which offers a good 
feature set.

Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about
posting these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on
this list. We are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want
iOS to be perfect. If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in
person once a month and each time I complained about how Apple needs
to fix their bugs that is not productive. I need to tell Apple
Accessibility, you need to tell Apple Accessibility and every one of
the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical monthly get-together needs
to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this means we all need to
email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them. Telling each
other doesn't help, it's like if you have an arguement with a friend.
You resolve it by having an open and honest discussion with your
friend and not by telling another friend.

Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody
experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's
feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I
don't necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let
this bug happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a
friend about how you should approach your other friend with whom you
have the arguement and then it's OK to discuss it with your other
friend, but you still need to go and have it out with the friend with
whom you h

Managing storage

[Deidre Muccio]

I think the thing I brought up in my earlier post about not understanding the 
difference the usage between Bard voice dream reader… I now realize that one is 
text pump through synthesizeras opposed to an actual recording so the latter 
would obviously be a much bigger file.
Deidre
 


I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to free up some space on my phone by 
getting rid of some books and videos and music. I see that tune in radio, Bard 
mobile, and Facebook are the biggest hogs of all. A friend suggested that I 
delete an app like Facebook every so often and that that will clear some of the 
data stored in that app. Is that true? As it is it appears that only in the 
full-fledged version that I can access on my desktop am I actually able to 
delete a lot of stuff that I've got stored on my page such as photo albums, 
activity log posts etc.. I'm pretty sure that that has nothing to do with voice 
over but is just a function of the mobile version.

Funny enough, a lot of the things I had stored it in voice dream reader didn't 
seem to take up much space even though some of those documents were lengthy. I 
don't really understand why those documents would've taken up less space than 
let's say a barred book of the same that would take the same amount of time to 
read I guess it's just different formatting.
Deidre

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RE: Gboard

[Alan Lemly]

Richard and others,

I downloaded Gboard to my iPhone 7 running the latest iOS 10.2 and found no way 
to customize it to add a number row. I believe you're right that the number row 
feature only exists in the Android version. I had no luck when Googling Gboard 
iOS and number row. All the hits I found talked about that feature on the 
Android version.

I couldn't find any great features that Gboard offered so I removed it. I never 
figured out how to use its glide typing feature or either it doesn't work with 
Voiceover. I couldn't tell how you were supposed to select the key you glided 
to in order to enter it that was any different than how it works with the iOS 
standard keyboard. I find the Fleksy keyboard much faster for input but then 
I've been using it for quite a while.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gboard

If anyone finds a way to customize Gboard, let us know.
I think, from the research I've done, the number row is only going to be 
available on Android.
There is nothing about a number row in the iOS Gboard settings.
Richard



>From a recent fortune cookie:
"Any day above ground is a good day."


> On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> I have not played with the Gboard iOS app but I re-read the article Richard 
> included in one of his posts on this thread and it mentions that Gboard is 
> customizable. I don't know if customizing is required in order to show the 
> number row on the keyboard but you had to customize the Fleksy keyboard to do 
> this.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 1:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Gboard
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> I, also, have an Android phone; a Samsung Galaxy S 6.  I was going to get a 
> Note 7 but, as I am not a pyromaniac...  (smile).
> 
> Anyway, the default keyboard on my S 6 has a number row and it truly is 
> convenient.  I've never checked but I think the default keyboard on the S 6 
> is the Samsung keyboard.  So, perhaps we should look for a Samsung 
> third-party keyboard, for iOS, instead of the Google keyboard.  
> 
> For many, many years, now, I and others have been lobbying for a number row 
> to be added to the native iOS keyboard.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Gboard
> 
> Hi Richard,
> That is kind of depressing. There's supposedly an update that puts the number 
> row in on this keyboard. I have an android phone as well as my iPhone, and I 
> have been waiting to get the update to the Google keyboard, but so far it's 
> not showing up for me. I had the impression from what I read, that the number 
> row was already present in the current version of Gboard on iOS. So what you 
> are reporting is disappointing.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> Mary,
> I just installed it after reading the article I sent a little while ago.
> On the iPhone 5s, there is no number line, you have to toggle numbers the 
> same way. But, there is a period just to the right of the space bar.
> Also, if you have touch typing on, touching and releasing the return key 
> enters it, while on the native iOS keyboard you have to double tap.
> Plus it does have the activate google search right there.
> Interesting.
> Richard
> 
> 
> ...Wishing you a Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas, Satisfying Solstice, 
> Quintessential Kwanza, and a Happy New Year ... anything you celebrate.
> 
> 
> ?By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Mark, I have no idea. I have m braille installed. I didn't have to sign 
> anything or do anything. Of course Google is always after data. So it 
> wouldn't surprise me. But they're going to get what they get anyway.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary, 
> 
> As always, my greatest concern about using third-party keyboards is the fact 
> that everything one enters can be accessed by the developer.  I believe there 
> is a ULA that one must agree to when installing a third-party keyboard, is 
> there not?
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Gboard
> 
> That is apparently the name of the Google keyboard for iOS. I wonder if 
> anyone has tried it and whether it works with voiceover. For me, the mos