Bug with latest update in Linkedin app

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all,
I am experiencing a bug in the Linkedin IOS app after the recent
update. For any post on my new feed, voice over reads the 3 options
viz. React, Comment and Share together as one button. On tapping it,
the comment box opens. It is not possible to React to or share the
post.
The same trouble is experienced after opening the post.
Anyone facing this issue?
Thanks
Best
Turab

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Re: Speak Screen

[Richard]

Hi Marie,
I just shared what voice over read to me in the settings.
Haven't used the feature, so I can't comment otherwise.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Marie" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Speak Screen


This actually works even with speak screen off.



Marie
-Original Message- 
From: Richard
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speak Screen

Hi Ann,
When Speak Screen is turned on,
swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of
the screen.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The
message window


What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>That's good it still works.  It says in
>Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
>insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
>on to work.  I should have tested it before
>posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and
> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Ryan Mann
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
>down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>
>Get Outlook for iOS
>
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>From:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>on behalf of Mike B.
><mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>To:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
>finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
>screen won't read the screen contents any
>longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and
> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Richard Turner
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn,
>Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>
>
>
>Richard
>Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
> screen too that is in my way, especially when
> entering access code or when entering a phone
> number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > no.
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can you give me a little more instructions
> about finding a certain email using the scroll
> bar because this is what I would probably use
> it for. This does make sense but I just want a
> little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
> >> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
> >> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
> >> couple of examples of how I 

Re: I Books

[John Panarese]

  Once you know what you are dealing with, it’s actually a very easy app to use.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I am in using iBooks to re-send PDF files and it will also read some old 
> files that are in my library. Had a little trouble getting it to work 
> initially but I’m slowly figuring it out. Just takes a little maneuvering 
> around the screen.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:19 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  It’s now called Books in iOS 13, but it is an accessible app as iBooks. It 
>> reads PDF and ePub formatted files.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 
>>> running the latest version of iOS 12.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Speak Screen

[Alan Lemly]

To be a bit more specific, you initiate speak screen by placing focus on one of 
the items in the status bar such as the time and then swipe down with two 
fingers.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speak Screen

Hi Ann,
When Speak Screen is turned on,
swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of the 
screen.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message -
From: "Ann Byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window


What is speak screen supposed to do?  If VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, 
>or at least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to 
>work.  I should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the 
>heads-up.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and  disinfectant lately that when 
>I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Ryan Mann
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers 
>to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>
>Get Outlook for iOS
>
>--
>From:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>on behalf of Mike B. 
><mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>To:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture 
>from the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, 
>that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and  disinfectant lately that when 
>I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Richard Turner
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn,
>Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>
>
>
>Richard
>Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
> screen too that is in my way, especially when entering access code or 
> when entering a phone number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well 
> off with tit disabled.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > no.
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can you give me a little more instructions
> about finding a certain email using the scroll bar because this is 
> what I would probably use it for. This does make sense but I just want 
> a little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
> >> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect 
> >> the shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give 
> >> a couple of examples of how I use it.
> >> As you know, the vertical scroll 

RE: Speak Screen

[Carolyn]

I can't tell you how glad I am to be rid of it. I keep learning all the time 
from generous people like Richard on this list. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Julian
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 5:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speak Screen

Hello,

Speak screen is primarily intended to be used by people who do not usually use 
voice over. In other words, people who on occasion may need to have contents of 
the screen read aloud but do not normally wish to have to interact with a 
screen reader all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> This actually works even with speak screen off.
> 
> 
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speak Screen
> 
> Hi Ann,
> When Speak Screen is turned on,
> swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of
> the screen.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "Ann Byrne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The
> message window
> 
> 
> What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
> VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
> At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>> That's good it still works.  It says in
>> Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
>> insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
>> on to work.  I should have tested it before
>> posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Mann
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
>> down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> 
>> --
>> From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> on behalf of Mike B.
>> <mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>> To:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
>> finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
>> screen won't read the screen contents any
>> longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn,
>> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
>> screen too that is in my way, especially when
>> entering access code or when entering a phone
>> number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > no.
>> >
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dennis Long
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>>

Re: Trying to subscribe to Apple TV Plus, and I'm caught in a loop

[Jennie Facer]

Did you double tap the side button? That Hass to be done twice quickly.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:12 PM, richr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m trying to subscribe to Apple TV Plus, and I seem to be caught in a never 
> ending loop. I attempt to subscribe, I click the continue button, and I am 
> asked to confirm with side button. I press the side button and I’m back at 
> the screen with the continue button. I press the continue button and I’m 
> asked to confirm with side button. I simply don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
> I’m using an iPhone 11 with iOS 13.5.1.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I watched a free episode of a series 
> called “defending Jacob” and I really want to see more of the series!
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Re: I Books

[Michael Irons]

I am in using iBooks to re-send PDF files and it will also read some old files 
that are in my library. Had a little trouble getting it to work initially but 
I’m slowly figuring it out. Just takes a little maneuvering around the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 4:19 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   It’s now called Books in iOS 13, but it is an accessible app as iBooks. It 
> reads PDF and ePub formatted files.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 
>> running the latest version of iOS 12.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: I Books

[John Panarese]

   It’s now called Books in iOS 13, but it is an accessible app as iBooks. It 
reads PDF and ePub formatted files.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 running 
> the latest version of iOS 12.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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I Books

[Michael Irons]

Hello everyone, does anyone on here use iBooks? I’m using an iPhone 6 running 
the latest version of iOS 12.

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Re: Speak Screen

[Julian]

Hello,

Speak screen is primarily intended to be used by people who do not usually use 
voice over. In other words, people who on occasion may need to have contents of 
the screen read aloud but do not normally wish to have to interact with a 
screen reader all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> This actually works even with speak screen off.
> 
> 
> 
> Marie
> -Original Message- From: Richard
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Speak Screen
> 
> Hi Ann,
> When Speak Screen is turned on,
> swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of
> the screen.
> 
> HTH,
> Rick
> - Original Message - From: "Ann Byrne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The
> message window
> 
> 
> What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
> VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
> At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>> That's good it still works.  It says in
>> Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
>> insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
>> on to work.  I should have tested it before
>> posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Mann
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
>> down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> 
>> --
>> From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> on behalf of Mike B.
>> <mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>> To:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
>> finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
>> screen won't read the screen contents any
>> longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>> 
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>> *My body has absorbed so much soap and
>> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> 
>> Carolyn,
>> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
>> screen too that is in my way, especially when
>> entering access code or when entering a phone
>> number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > no.
>> >
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dennis Long
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From:
>> viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>> Removing the clutter on The message window
>> >
>> > Can you give me a little more instructions
>> about finding a certain email using the scroll
>> bar because this is what I would probably use
>> it for. This does make sense but I just want a
>> little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 

Re: Speak Screen

[Marie]

This actually works even with speak screen off.



Marie
-Original Message- 
From: Richard

Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Speak Screen

Hi Ann,
When Speak Screen is turned on,
swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of
the screen.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The
message window


What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:

That's good it still works.  It says in
Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
on to work.  I should have tested it before
posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Mann
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window

I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.

Get Outlook for iOS

--
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
on behalf of Mike B.
<mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
screen won't read the screen contents any
longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak
screen too that is in my way, especially when
entering access code or when entering a phone
number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
Removing the clutter on The message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions
about finding a certain email using the scroll
bar because this is what I would probably use
it for. This does make sense but I just want a
little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long yo

Disney Plus on my IPhone

[Debbie Downey]

Hello,

 

Several months ago I subscribed to Disney Plus on my Amazon Fire TV through
their app and my monthly charge is to my credit card on file with Amazon.

 

Since then I've tried to sign into the Disney Plus app on my IPhone and I'm
told that that email or password doesn't exist. Does this have to do with
the fact that I'm paying through Amazon? If so, do I have to pay for another
subscription through Apple to be able to use the Disney Plus app on my
IPhone?

 

Thanks!

 

Debbie 

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Trying to subscribe to Apple TV Plus, and I'm caught in a loop

[richring]

I'm trying to subscribe to Apple TV Plus, and I seem to be caught in a never
ending loop. I attempt to subscribe, I click the continue button, and I am
asked to confirm with side button. I press the side button and I'm back at
the screen with the continue button. I press the continue button and I'm
asked to confirm with side button. I simply don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I'm using an iPhone 11 with iOS 13.5.1.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I watched a free episode of a series
called "defending Jacob" and I really want to see more of the series!

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Speak Screen

[Richard]

Hi Ann,
When Speak Screen is turned on,
swipe down with 2 fingers from the top of the screen to hear the content of 
the screen.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


What is speak screen supposed to do?  If
VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.
At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
>That's good it still works.  It says in
>Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it
>insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned
>on to work.  I should have tested it before
>posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and
> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Ryan Mann
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe
>down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.
>
>Get Outlook for iOS
>
>--
>From:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>on behalf of Mike B. 
><mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
>To:
>viphone@googlegroups.com
><viphone@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2
>finger swipe down gesture from the top of the
>screen won't read the screen contents any
>longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.
>
>Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and
> disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
>- Original Message -
>From: Richard Turner
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
>Removing the clutter on The message window
>
>Carolyn,
>Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
>Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
>
>
>
>Richard
>Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak
> screen too that is in my way, especially when
> entering access code or when entering a phone
> number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > no.
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE:
> Removing the clutter on The message window
> >
> > Can you give me a little more instructions
> about finding a certain email using the scroll
> bar because this is what I would probably use
> it for. This does make sense but I just want a
> little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
> >> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
> >> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
> >> couple of examples of how I use it.
> >> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
> >> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
> >> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
> >> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
> >> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
> >> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long 

Re: Update

[Michael Irons]

Hello everybody, this is Mike. I reached out to Marilyn and offered her support 
and I am glad that I did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> SentAwesome job! I knew you would have no Awesome job! I knew you would have 
> no problem. from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 12:11 PM, marilyn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  
>> I have successfully unsubscribed (spelled correctly this time – smile) from 
>> my old address and am now receiving my messages in my new inbox. To date, I 
>> have heard nothing more (apology or otherwise) from the person who wrote the 
>> rude response. Like the world out there, this list is a microcosm of people, 
>> and I am thankful to be a part of it, regardless of who else is on here. 
>> Though the words shocked and stung me, I want you to know that I appreciate 
>> the support you demonstrated for me. While I don’t post often, I always read 
>> and learn. Thank you for caring enough to nurture and be helpful. I know you 
>> will continue to be your best selves as we move beyond this incident.  
>>  
>> Take good care of yourselves.
>>  
>> Marilyn
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at 
>> all.  It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude 
>> person has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of 
>> us have wanted to offer support for Marilyn. 
>>  
>> Sherry Wells
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Barbara Stahl
>> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 
>> Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she 
>> did appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every 
>> one makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 
>> Its time to let it go. 
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has 
>> nothing to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a 
>> few rude members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want 
>> to help other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous 
>> people from joining the list.
>>  
>> IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
>> kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who 
>> would tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just 
>> not someone who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.
>>  
>> Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and 
>> I don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people 
>> on it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people 
>> would kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately 
>> this isn’t the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that 
>> is that the blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude 
>> people in it then the general community. I find this to be just another 
>> unsubstantiated prejudice against blind people.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
>> Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
>> opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
>> behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sharon
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
>> list.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Lumpkin
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected 
>> in the realm of good list etiquette.
>> .
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person 
>> just because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
>> 
>> Sent fro

Re: Update

[Diane Giannetti]

SentAwesome job! I knew you would have no Awesome job! I knew you would have no 
problem. from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 12:11 PM, marilyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
>  
> I have successfully unsubscribed (spelled correctly this time – smile) from 
> my old address and am now receiving my messages in my new inbox. To date, I 
> have heard nothing more (apology or otherwise) from the person who wrote the 
> rude response. Like the world out there, this list is a microcosm of people, 
> and I am thankful to be a part of it, regardless of who else is on here. 
> Though the words shocked and stung me, I want you to know that I appreciate 
> the support you demonstrated for me. While I don’t post often, I always read 
> and learn. Thank you for caring enough to nurture and be helpful. I know you 
> will continue to be your best selves as we move beyond this incident.  
>  
> Take good care of yourselves.
>  
> Marilyn
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> sherrywells1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at 
> all.  It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude 
> person has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of 
> us have wanted to offer support for Marilyn. 
>  
> Sherry Wells
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barbara Stahl
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apology
>  
> Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 
> Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
> appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
> makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 
> Its time to let it go. 
>  
> 
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+
>  
> 
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
> to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
> members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
> other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people 
> from joining the list.
>  
> IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
> kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who 
> would tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not 
> someone who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.
>  
> Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
> don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
> it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
> kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this 
> isn’t the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is 
> that the blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in 
> it then the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated 
> prejudice against blind people.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apology
>  
> It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
> opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
> behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sharon
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
> list.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Lumpkin
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
> the realm of good list etiquette.
> .
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apology
>  
> Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
> because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>  
> 
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> 
> Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
> have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubscribing directions. 
> Take care.
>  
> Arlene
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: marilyn

RE: Update

[Sharon]

Good for you! You are definitely the better person.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Update

 

Hello all, 

 

I have successfully unsubscribed (spelled correctly this time – smile) from my 
old address and am now receiving my messages in my new inbox. To date, I have 
heard nothing more (apology or otherwise) from the person who wrote the rude 
response. Like the world out there, this list is a microcosm of people, and I 
am thankful to be a part of it, regardless of who else is on here. Though the 
words shocked and stung me, I want you to know that I appreciate the support 
you demonstrated for me. While I don’t post often, I always read and learn. 
Thank you for caring enough to nurture and be helpful. I know you will continue 
to be your best selves as we move beyond this incident.  

 

Take good care of yourselves. 

 

Marilyn

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apology

 

No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at all. 
 It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude person 
has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of us have 
wanted to offer support for Marilyn.  

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Barbara Stahl
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 

Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 

Its time to let it go. 

 

On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther

Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+

 

On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com   
wrote:



I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people from 
joining the list.

 

IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who would 
tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not someone 
who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.

 

Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this isn’t 
the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is that the 
blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in it then 
the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated prejudice 
against blind people.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sharon   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM

Subject: RE: Apology

 

I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
list.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Apology

 

I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
the realm of good list etiquette.

. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
 On Behalf Of Diane Giannetti
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
because 

RE: Update

[marilyn]

Hello all,

I have successfully unsubscribed (spelled correctly this time – smile) from my 
old address and am now receiving my messages in my new inbox. To date, I have 
heard nothing more (apology or otherwise) from the person who wrote the rude 
response. Like the world out there, this list is a microcosm of people, and I 
am thankful to be a part of it, regardless of who else is on here. Though the 
words shocked and stung me, I want you to know that I appreciate the support 
you demonstrated for me. While I don’t post often, I always read and learn. 
Thank you for caring enough to nurture and be helpful. I know you will continue 
to be your best selves as we move beyond this incident.

Take good care of yourselves.

Marilyn

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apology

No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at all. 
 It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude person 
has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of us have 
wanted to offer support for Marilyn.

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Barbara Stahl
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apology

Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread.
Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized.
Its time to let it go.

On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther
Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+

On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people from 
joining the list.

IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who would 
tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not someone 
who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.

Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this isn’t 
the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is that the 
blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in it then 
the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated prejudice 
against blind people.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apology

It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Sharon
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Apology

I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
list.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apology

I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
the realm of good list etiquette.
.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apology

Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubsc

RE: Apology

[chaltain]

Marilyn apologized for asking how to unsubscribe to this list. TinkerBellTX, 
who accused Marilyn of not having a brain, has not apologized, at least not as 
far as I can tell.

 

If you’d like this thread to come to an end, instead of perpetuating it, I’d 
suggest either using the delete key or following the suggestions in the footer 
to every message on this list and reach out to the moderator.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 

Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 

Its time to let it go. 





On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther

Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+





On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com   
wrote:



I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people from 
joining the list.

 

IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who would 
tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not someone 
who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.

 

Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this isn’t 
the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is that the 
blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in it then 
the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated prejudice 
against blind people.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sharon   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM

Subject: RE: Apology

 

I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
list.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Apology

 

I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
the realm of good list etiquette.

. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Diane Giannetti
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

 

On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubscribing directions. Take 
care.

 

Arlene

 

- Original Message - 

From: marilyn   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:17 AM

Subject: RE: Apology

 

All,

 

The comment below is rude and uncalled for. 

 

I’m sorry – I made a mistake with the address. Has no one else ever made a 
mistake? 

 

Marilyn

 

From: paula craig [mailto:paulacrai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:00 AM
To: tinkerbel...@sbcglobal.net  
Subject: Re: Please unscribe

 

how to unsub is at the bottom of your messages, use your brain if you have one! 
which seems doubtful 

 

 

On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Marilyn Bland mailto:tinkerbe

RE: Apology

[sherrywells1157]

No, the person who made the rude remark about Marilyn did not apologize at all. 
 It was Marilyn who apologized for asking the question.   The very rude person 
has not bothered to apologize.  This thread has continued as many of us have 
wanted to offer support for Marilyn.  

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 

Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 

Its time to let it go. 





On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther

Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+





On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com   
wrote:



I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people from 
joining the list.

 

IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who would 
tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not someone 
who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.

 

Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this isn’t 
the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is that the 
blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in it then 
the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated prejudice 
against blind people.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.

 

Andy

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sharon   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM

Subject: RE: Apology

 

I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
list.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Apology

 

I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
the realm of good list etiquette.

. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Diane Giannetti
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apology

 

Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

 

On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubscribing directions. Take 
care.

 

Arlene

 

- Original Message - 

From: marilyn   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:17 AM

Subject: RE: Apology

 

All,

 

The comment below is rude and uncalled for. 

 

I’m sorry – I made a mistake with the address. Has no one else ever made a 
mistake? 

 

Marilyn

 

From: paula craig [mailto:paulacrai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:00 AM
To: tinkerbel...@sbcglobal.net  
Subject: Re: Please unscribe

 

how to unsub is at the bottom of your messages, use your brain if you have one! 
which seems doubtful 

 

 

On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Marilyn Bland mailto:tinkerbel...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

 

Good morning, 

 

I am now receiving viphone messages at my new email address, so please 
unsubscribe me from this addre

Re: Apology

[Barbara Stahl]

Come on guys, enough is enough with this thread. 
Yes, this person made a very rude and inappropriate comment. However, she did 
appoligize for it. Was it wrong to make such a comment, yes, but every one 
makes mistakes and she owned up to it and appoligized. 
Its time to let it go. 

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Esther  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+
> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has 
>> nothing to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a 
>> few rude members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want 
>> to help other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous 
>> people from joining the list.
>>  
>> IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
>> kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who 
>> would tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just 
>> not someone who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.
>>  
>> Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and 
>> I don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people 
>> on it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people 
>> would kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately 
>> this isn’t the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that 
>> is that the blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude 
>> people in it then the general community. I find this to be just another 
>> unsubstantiated prejudice against blind people.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
>> Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
>> opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
>> behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sharon
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
>> list.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Lumpkin
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected 
>> in the realm of good list etiquette.
>> .
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apology
>>  
>> Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person 
>> just because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
>> 
>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
>> have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubscribing directions. 
>> Take care.
>>  
>> Arlene
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: marilyn
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:17 AM
>> Subject: RE: Apology
>>  
>> All,
>>  
>> The comment below is rude and uncalled for.
>>  
>> I’m sorry – I made a mistake with the address. Has no one else ever made a 
>> mistake?
>>  
>> Marilyn
>>  
>> From: paula craig [mailto:paulacrai...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:00 AM
>> To: tinkerbel...@sbcglobal.net
>> Subject: Re: Please unscribe
>>  
>> how to unsub is at the bottom of your messages, use your brain if you have 
>> one! which seems doubtful 
>>  
>>  
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Marilyn Bland  wrote:
>>  
>> Good morning, 
>>  
>> I am now receiving viphone messages at my new email address, so please 
>> unsubscribe me from this address. 
>>  
>> Thanks for a great list. 
>>  
>> Marilyn
>>  
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Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Shirley Baker]

I can still do the two fingers down to read the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, or at 
> least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to work.  I 
> should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Mann
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to read 
> the screen. This is a voice over feature.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike 
> B. 
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>  
> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
> the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
> you ever use this feature just so you know.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Carolyn,
> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
> 
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> > especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> > Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > Dave.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> > Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> > using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> > does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> > finding say a certain email.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
> >> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
> >> couple of examples of how I use it.
> >> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
> >> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
> >> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
> >> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". 
> >> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
> >> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
> >> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
> >> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
> >> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
> >> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
> >> and locate what you're looking for.
> >> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
> >> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
> >> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
> >> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
> >> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> >> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
> >> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe 
> >> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger 
> >>

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Carolyn]

OK, thanks, Mike. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from the 
top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if you ever 
use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>  > wrote:
> 
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> no.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
>> mailto:nicola.sand...@telenet.be> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger 
>> swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a 
>> three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
>> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I 
>> don't find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, 
>> and I'm inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the 
>> screen before continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical 
>> scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
>> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Agai

RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Carolyn]

Thanks, Richard - did that just now. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> no.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger 
>> swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a 
>> three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far 
>> longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I 
>> don't find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, 
>> and I'm inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the 
>> screen before continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical 
>> scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
>> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
>> three-finger swipe would take ages.
>> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
>> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages 
>> as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole 
>> page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on 
>> the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to
>> 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that location, I use the scroll 
>> bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out.
>> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the 
>> three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when 
>> using the traditional swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
>> I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
>> HTH,
>> Nicky
>> 
>> -Original Message-

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Ann Byrne]

What is speak screen supposed to do?  If 
VoiceOver is on, the screen is spoken.

At 08:27 AM 6/7/2020, you wrote:
That's good it still works.  It says in 
Accessibility / Spoken content, or at least it 
insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned 
on to work.  I should have tested it before 
posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and 
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message -
From: Ryan Mann
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe 
down with two fingers to read the screen. This is a voice over feature.


Get Outlook for iOS

--
From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> 
on behalf of Mike B. <mb69ma...@fastmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
<viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 
finger swipe down gesture from the top of the 
screen won't read the screen contents any 
longer, that's if you ever use this feature just so you know.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and 
disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window


Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak 
screen too that is in my way, especially when 
entering access code or when entering a phone 
number. Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.

>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave

> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> 
On Behalf Of Shirley Baker

> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: 
Removing the clutter on The message window

>
> Can you give me a little more instructions 
about finding a certain email using the scroll 
bar because this is what I would probably use 
it for. This does make sense but I just want a 
little more help in understanding about finding say a certain email.

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot 
longer to move through the list and locate what you're looking for.

>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of c

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Mike B.]

That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, or 
at least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to work.  I 
should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Mann
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to 
read the screen. This is a voice over feature.


Get Outlook for iOS



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike 
B. 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
you ever use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
message window


Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. 
> This does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding 
> about finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
>> and locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe
>> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger
>> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each
>> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it
>> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm
>> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before
>> continuing. There are no such probl

Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window

[Ryan Mann]

I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to read 
the screen. This is a voice over feature.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Mike B. 

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from the 
top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if you ever 
use this feature just so you know.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The message 
window

Carolyn,
Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.



Richard
Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast


> On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn 
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> no.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>
> Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> finding say a certain email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders
>> mailto:nicola.sand...@telenet.be>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shirley,
>> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the
>> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a
>> couple of examples of how I use it.
>> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running
>> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a
>> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the
>> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%".
>> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you
>> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list
>> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten
>> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three
>> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a
>> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and 
>> locate what you're looking for.
>> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+.
>> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to
>> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read
>> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical
>> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far
>> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel
>> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe
>> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger
>> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each
>> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it
>> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm
>> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before
>> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
>> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have
>> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
>> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to

Re: Apology

[Esther]

I totally agree with you. That was very very uncalled for. Esther

Sent From Esther's Awesome and Amazing iPhone 7+

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:47 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a few points to make on this thread. First is that Marilyn has nothing 
> to apologize for, and I hope she doesn’t judge this whole list by a few rude 
> members. As anyone can tell, this list is full of members who want to help 
> other blind people. But it also can’t keep mean and self righteous people 
> from joining the list.
>  
> IMHO, the moderator doesn’t need to give this person a second chance before 
> kicking them off the list. Marilyn made an honest mistake, but anyone who 
> would tell someone else on the list that they don’t have a brain, is just not 
> someone who should be given another chance or be allowed on this list.
>  
> Finally, I’m on plenty of lists which have nothing to do with blindness and I 
> don’t find blindness related lists to have a greater number of rude people on 
> it then your average list. I wish it were the case that blind people would 
> kinder and more gracious then the general public, but unfortunately this 
> isn’t the case. I also don’t think that the opposite is true, and that is 
> that the blindness community is more mean spirited or has more rude people in 
> it then the general community. I find this to be just another unsubstantiated 
> prejudice against blind people.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apology
>  
> It would have taken the same amount of energy to just anser the question as 
> opposed to making that comment.  It's interesting that I notice this kind of 
> behavior a lot more on blind oriented lists.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sharon
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 1:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> I totally agree! One more rude comment, and they should be removed from the 
> list.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Lumpkin
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> I think the moderator needs to step in here and reiterate what is expected in 
> the realm of good list etiquette.
> .
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apology
>  
> Wow, I cannot believe that you would say something like that to a person just 
> because of making a mistake. That’s not nice.
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>  
> 
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> 
> Marilyn, all you needed was the unsubscribing address. It's oksy, you don't 
> have to apologize for that, you just needed the unsubscribing directions. 
> Take care.
>  
> Arlene
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: marilyn
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:17 AM
> Subject: RE: Apology
>  
> All,
>  
> The comment below is rude and uncalled for.
>  
> I’m sorry – I made a mistake with the address. Has no one else ever made a 
> mistake?
>  
> Marilyn
>  
> From: paula craig [mailto:paulacrai...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 9:00 AM
> To: tinkerbel...@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: Please unscribe
>  
> how to unsub is at the bottom of your messages, use your brain if you have 
> one! which seems doubtful 
>  
>  
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Marilyn Bland  wrote:
>  
> Good morning, 
>  
> I am now receiving viphone messages at my new email address, so please 
> unsubscribe me from this address. 
>  
> Thanks for a great list. 
>  
> Marilyn
>  
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