Can’t watch videos on facebook friends have posted

[Jen .]

Hi I have an iPhone 8 and running the latest version of ios.
A friend has posted some videos on Facebook which I would like to watch but I’m 
not able to do this.  When I go to the video and double tap nothing happens 
just I get descriptions of the images so I turn off image navigation and still 
I get the same issue so wonder what I am doing wrong or is this a known bug and 
are others having the same problem.
Thanks.
Jen

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RE: Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ian,

I have used teams with Mac OS and windows 10,

Have a look at the following URL,
It has a tab / section for accessibility keyboard shortcuts for using teams 
With mac os.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-microsoft-teams-2e8e2a70-e8d8-4a19-949b-4c36dd5292d2


Cheeers,

Simon F

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ian 
Harrison
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 4:01 am
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries ; 
'Harry Bell' via VIPhone ; 
applesuppor...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

Hi All,

My University is now using Teams for most learning. I was lead to believe it 
was accessible for Mac users, but I am not finding this to be the case. Sighted 
help tells me that Microsoft’s own guidance does not do what it says it should 
do; even using the key control modifier instead of the correct ‘command’.

Am I being stupid here or what?

Kind regards
Ian

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Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[goshawk on horseback]

not sure, as I don't have it on all the time, so not something I have had to 
think about.


Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yates" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour


Just installed “chime”. Cannot figure out how to set certain hours that I do 
not want the chime to go off. Isn’t it possible to do this?


Danney
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


as I said, that is what I find super useful when out riding, which is why 
I like this app.


Simon


- Original Message - From: "Carolyn" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:36 PM
Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour


That one sounds good, Simon.

Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While 
waiting for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or 
other, from that time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes 
later, VO kept announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and 
I didn't mind, so didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to 
get that started or what I would have had to do to get it stopped.


The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound 
really good.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of goshawk on horseback

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
Importance: High

personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required 
easily, and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 
60mins for the alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 
30, and hourly alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out 
and look at the time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I 
use it when I am out riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a 
good way of telling how long I have been out, with out actually needing to 
take the phone out, or fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands 
occupied with lizzie's reins.

the app is completely accessible as well.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Casey" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour



hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.

That will speak or chime the time on the hour?

That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?

If so can you please share what it is.

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RE: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[Simon A Fogarty]

And this is somewhat the reason apple say to not install the betas on your 
primary devices,

 
Also you have to remember that we the blind / visually impaired community are a 
very small user group of the apple products so they develop for us only as a 
minority to that of the able bodied community,

Yet unlike other companys they do put a lot of work in to accessibility  
features and do take the feed back from those that beta test.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 6:22 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in the 
betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep in 
mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind person 
to be running a beta on their only device.

--
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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14
> 
> hello Wane,
> 
> to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
> I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why 
> don't you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong 
> sometime when Apple relises them!
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to 
> > compromise my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test 
> > on. Plus, I don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore 
> > anything if something goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers 
> > though for the hard work you put in and the bugs you report. No one 
> > can get it all, but great work on what is reported.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
> >> hello,
> >>
> >> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to 
> >> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them 
> >> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I 
> >> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to 
> >> accessibil...@apple.com, and then join the Apple beta software 
> >> program. being a member of this program puts you in direct contact with 
> >> Apple's Engenneering team.
> >> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting 
> >> fixt  I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and 
> >> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver 
> >> users are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only 
> >> then, with multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices 
> >> be herd. time and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several 
> >> email lists, people complaining about the bug they experience and 
> >> doing nothing. the only to rectify all of these complaints, is for 
> >> everybody to join the apple beta software program and report what 
> >> bugs they find , reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is 
> >> invabuable. . happy beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
> >>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it 
> >>> all if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive 
> >>> list of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and 
> >>> let me know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if 
> >>> so, which ones. Also let me know
> >>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I am
> >>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to 
> >>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started 
> >>> today or yesterday.
> >>> I
> >>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five 
> >>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either 
> >>> I didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first 
> >>> few days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues?
> >>>
> >>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button 
> >>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone 
> >>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages 
> >>> This endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen 
> >>> also occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger 
> >>> on the screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it 
> >>> as fast as humanly possible clicking thousands of times but going 
> >>> nowhere
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I 
> >>> could flip back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any 
> >>> app. double clicking did nothing. Siri would not do anything.
> >>> Asking her to do anything at all resulted in her stating the 
> 

RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeh apple maps or even better
Google maps,
Unless you are needing something more specific in the way of a gps system,
Like for dropping a MOAB on a house or something!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 5:04 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

Hello,

Is there any gps app free and easy to use?

Thanks,

Rena

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RE: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I love it as it’s got a watch app also.

So it’s in the passed allowed me to go into a meeting and record the meeting 
without anyone  knowing,

Somewhat not legal but hey it got the job done.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Friday, 25 September 2020 12:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

Is this app audio only? Wondering if it’s better than voice memo?

Danney
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did you bring that up to the developers of the app?
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Gerardo Corripio 
mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo recordings 
since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what I’d like to see 
is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the recording, allow to 
pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you wanted to pause the 
recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a bother to have to put 
both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you flick over to the Pause 
Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as natural as if via a 
double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who prefer it to behave as 
usual?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[Marty Hutchings]

Wayne,  I just tolerate iTunes as well.  I basically only use it for getting 
music onto my iPhone.




Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

The reason I don't use iTunes is because, IMO, it sucks. Sorry, too
strong. I have found iTunes too confusing, too bloated, too many
options, and way too complicated. I stopped using it several years ago
after I finally was able to upload my music library to use the iTunes
Match service. I'm still not sure how I managed that, but got it done.
I haven't really used it since. Granted, there may be those who
disagree and find iTunes tolerable or even "lovely". As for me, Apple
has given us this ability to restore from iCloud and that suits me
just fine.

Just my biased thoughts,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/24/20, chalt...@gmail.com  wrote:
Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in 
the
betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep 
in

mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind
person to be running a beta on their only device.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Daniel MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

hello Wane,

to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why
don't
you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong sometime when
Apple relises them!
Daniel


On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise
> my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I
> don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something
> goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you
> put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work
> on what is reported.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
>> hello,
>>
>> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to
>> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them
>> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I
>> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com,
>> and then join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this
>> program puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team.
>> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting
>> fixt  I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and
>> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users
>> are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with
>> multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time
>> and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people
>> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only
>> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the
>> apple beta software program and report what bugs they find ,
>> reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy
>> beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
>>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all
>>> if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list
>>> of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me
>>> know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which
>>> ones. Also let me know
>>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I
>>> am
>>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to
>>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started today
>>> or yesterday.
>>> I
>>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five
>>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either I
>>> didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first few
>>> days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues?
>>>
>>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button
>>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone
>>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages This
>>> endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also
>>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the
>>> screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as
>>> humanly possible clicking thousands of times but 

Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Dan Yates]

Thank you Richard! Don’t know how I missed that the first time but have it 
working now very nice have a great evening
Danney

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> The first actual button, says if you want every quarter hour, etc.  Double 
> tapping that will toggle through the options there.
> Flick right once and you hear the word "From."
> Flick right again and it will say something like 6 AM.
> You can double tap on that to increase by one hour, or flick right again to 
> something that says ic Chevron left button, clock.  That will decrease the 
> time by one hour.  Then, IC Chevron right button, clock, would increase the 
> time by one hour.
> Next is "til" followed by a PM time.
> With the same buttons to increase or decrease by one hour.
> Then, Using, and a button that will toggle you through speech, female, speech 
> male, and the various tones.
> 
> If you want to have it on for a certain number of hours, then off, then on 
> again, it doesn't do that.
> You can have it from say 8AM to 5PM, or whatever, but the start and end times 
> are all you can set.
> Then, double tap on which won't change but it confirms it is on.
> Then, you have to make sure you have notifications set to on for the Chime 
> app.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
> Yates
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> 
> Just installed “chime”. Cannot figure out how to set certain hours that I do 
> not want the chime to go off. Isn’t it possible to do this?
> 
> Danney
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> as I said, that is what I find super useful when out riding, which is why I 
>> like this app.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Carolyn" 
>> <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:36 PM
>> Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
>> 
>> 
>> That one sounds good, Simon.
>> 
>> Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While 
>> waiting for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, 
>> from that time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO 
>> kept announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't 
>> mind, so didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that 
>> started or what I would have had to do to get it stopped.
>> 
>> The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound 
>> really good.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required 
>> easily, and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 
>> 60mins for the alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 
>> 30, and hourly alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out 
>> and look at the time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use 
>> it when I am out riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good 
>> way of telling how long I have been out, with out actually needing to take 
>> the phone out, or fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with 
>> lizzie's reins.
>> the app is completely accessible as well.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Casey" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
>> Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
>> 
>> 
>>> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>>> 
>>> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>>> 
>>> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
>>> 
>>> If so can you please share what it is.
>>> 
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Directly deleting a message without the confirmation being necessary

[Mary Otten]

I am looking for a way to delete text messages without having to be asked by 
the system whether I really want to delete the conversation. I have that set in 
mail, but I cannot find anything in messages. I must be missing it. I just 
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RE: Accessing videos in iOS 14 was RE: An iPhone Question

[Richard Turner]

Good find.
Pretty ‘round about.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessing videos in iOS 14 was RE: An iPhone Question

>From your home screen, double tap on Photos. On the bottomline tab bar, double 
>tap albums. Switch to heading with your rotor and single finger swipe till you 
>hear Media types and single finger swipe right to Videos. Double tapping on it 
>should give you yours.

My comment about iOS 14 and photos and videos is that its approach for 
accessing them doesn't seem to have thought much about Voiceover users.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An iPhone Question

Try asking Siri to play my videos.
The labeling is not very user friendly in iOS 14.
When I asked Siri to play my videos, which my About says I have 2, one showed 
up.
It may only show you one at a time.
HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: An iPhone Question

Hello listers,

I have the iPhone 10r, with the latest I O S 14.0.

In settings,general, about, it says that I have 5 videos on my phone, but there 
aren’t any videos in photo or video viewer.

Does anyone know where these videos would be stored on the phone?

I’d appreciate any information.


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Accessing videos in iOS 14 was RE: An iPhone Question

[Alan Lemly]

>From your home screen, double tap on Photos. On the bottomline tab bar, double 
>tap albums. Switch to heading with your rotor and single finger swipe till you 
>hear Media types and single finger swipe right to Videos. Double tapping on it 
>should give you yours.

 

My comment about iOS 14 and photos and videos is that its approach for 
accessing them doesn't seem to have thought much about Voiceover users.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An iPhone Question

 

Try asking Siri to play my videos.

The labeling is not very user friendly in iOS 14.

When I asked Siri to play my videos, which my About says I have 2, one showed 
up.

It may only show you one at a time.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: An iPhone Question

 

Hello listers,

 

I have the iPhone 10r, with the latest I O S 14.0.

 

In settings,general, about, it says that I have 5 videos on my phone, but there 
aren’t any videos in photo or video viewer.

 

Does anyone know where these videos would be stored on the phone?

 

I’d appreciate any information.

 

 

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Re: Braille keystrokes for modifier keys like the command key

[Kimberly]

Thanks, Richard. This is very handy to know. I haven't fully taken advantage of 
my braille display until recently and these key combinations will be really 
useful. 

Kim

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I started a new thread rather than continue the one about the broken command 
> since it isn’t broken in iOS 14 release version.
>  
> Braille Key equivelants for doing keyboard commands just like on a QWERTY 
> keyboard;
>  
> Dot 1+7+spacebar, Command key   
> Dot 2+7 +spacebar, Options key
> Dot 3+7+spacebar, Control key
> Dot 4+7+spacebar, Shift key
> Dot 5+7+spacebar, FN key
>  
> To toggle any of the above keys on, use dot 8 instead of dot 7.  Note, you 
> will need to repeat the combination with dot 8 when you want to toggle off 
> the key.
>  
> Command+Shift+d, Send, mail
> Command+R, Reply
> Command+n, new Email, Text message, calendar event, or note
> Control+Options+l, Read current line
> Control+Options+w, Read current word
> Control+Options+c, Read current character
>  
> All of these are included in my list of braille keyboard commands on my web 
> site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[Wayne Merritt]

The reason I don't use iTunes is because, IMO, it sucks. Sorry, too
strong. I have found iTunes too confusing, too bloated, too many
options, and way too complicated. I stopped using it several years ago
after I finally was able to upload my music library to use the iTunes
Match service. I'm still not sure how I managed that, but got it done.
I haven't really used it since. Granted, there may be those who
disagree and find iTunes tolerable or even "lovely". As for me, Apple
has given us this ability to restore from iCloud and that suits me
just fine.

Just my biased thoughts,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/24/20, chalt...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in the
> betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep in
> mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind
> person to be running a beta on their only device.
>
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>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Daniel MacDonald
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14
>>
>> hello Wane,
>>
>> to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
>> I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why
>> don't
>> you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong sometime when
>> Apple relises them!
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> > I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise
>> > my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I
>> > don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something
>> > goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you
>> > put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work
>> > on what is reported.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
>> > On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
>> >> hello,
>> >>
>> >> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to
>> >> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them
>> >> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I
>> >> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com,
>> >> and then join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this
>> >> program puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team.
>> >> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting
>> >> fixt  I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and
>> >> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users
>> >> are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with
>> >> multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time
>> >> and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people
>> >> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only
>> >> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the
>> >> apple beta software program and report what bugs they find ,
>> >> reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy
>> >> beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
>> >>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all
>> >>> if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list
>> >>> of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me
>> >>> know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which
>> >>> ones. Also let me know
>> >>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I
>> >>> am
>> >>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to
>> >>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started today
>> >>> or yesterday.
>> >>> I
>> >>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five
>> >>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either I
>> >>> didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first few
>> >>> days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues?
>> >>>
>> >>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button
>> >>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone
>> >>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages This
>> >>> endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also
>> >>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the
>> >>> screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as
>> >>> humanly possible clicking thousands of times but going nowhere
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I
>> >>> could flip back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any
>> >>> app. double clicking did nothing. Siri would not do anything.
>> >>> Asking her to do anything at all resulted in 

RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Richard Turner]

The first actual button, says if you want every quarter hour, etc.  Double 
tapping that will toggle through the options there.
Flick right once and you hear the word "From."
Flick right again and it will say something like 6 AM.
You can double tap on that to increase by one hour, or flick right again to 
something that says ic Chevron left button, clock.  That will decrease the time 
by one hour.  Then, IC Chevron right button, clock, would increase the time by 
one hour.
Next is "til" followed by a PM time.
With the same buttons to increase or decrease by one hour.
Then, Using, and a button that will toggle you through speech, female, speech 
male, and the various tones.

If you want to have it on for a certain number of hours, then off, then on 
again, it doesn't do that.
You can have it from say 8AM to 5PM, or whatever, but the start and end times 
are all you can set.
Then, double tap on which won't change but it confirms it is on.
Then, you have to make sure you have notifications set to on for the Chime app.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

Just installed “chime”. Cannot figure out how to set certain hours that I do 
not want the chime to go off. Isn’t it possible to do this?

Danney
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> as I said, that is what I find super useful when out riding, which is why I 
> like this app.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Carolyn" 
> <4carol...@windstream.net>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:36 PM
> Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> 
> 
> That one sounds good, Simon.
> 
> Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While 
> waiting for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, 
> from that time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO 
> kept announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't 
> mind, so didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that 
> started or what I would have had to do to get it stopped.
> 
> The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound really 
> good.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> Importance: High
> 
> personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required 
> easily, and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 
> 60mins for the alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 
> 30, and hourly alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out 
> and look at the time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use 
> it when I am out riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good way 
> of telling how long I have been out, with out actually needing to take the 
> phone out, or fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with 
> lizzie's reins.
> the app is completely accessible as well.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Casey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
> Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> 
> 
>> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>> 
>> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>> 
>> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
>> 
>> If so can you please share what it is.
>> 
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RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Carolyn]

I'll wait for 14.02, then. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

Well, the fVoiceOver ocus bug is still present.
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
> Apple's  VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining 
> either, so You'll have to Wait until YourTurn comes up
> 
> Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs" AssociatedWith  
> Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones
> 
> I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which 
> is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7
> 
> At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
>> this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO issues 
>> we're having.
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Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Dan Yates]

Just installed “chime”. Cannot figure out how to set certain hours that I do 
not want the chime to go off. Isn’t it possible to do this?

Danney
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> as I said, that is what I find super useful when out riding, which is why I 
> like this app.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Carolyn" <4carol...@windstream.net>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:36 PM
> Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> 
> 
> That one sounds good, Simon.
> 
> Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While 
> waiting for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, 
> from that time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO 
> kept announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't 
> mind, so didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that 
> started or what I would have had to do to get it stopped.
> 
> The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound really 
> good.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> Importance: High
> 
> personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required 
> easily, and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 
> 60mins for the alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 
> 30, and hourly alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out 
> and look at the time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use 
> it when I am out riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good way 
> of telling how long I have been out, with out actually needing to take the 
> phone out, or fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with 
> lizzie's reins.
> the app is completely accessible as well.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Casey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
> Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
> 
> 
>> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>> 
>> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>> 
>> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
>> 
>> If so can you please share what it is.
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Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

Well, the fVoiceOver ocus bug is still present.
  

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> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
> Apple's  VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining 
> either, so You'll have to Wait until YourTurn comes up
> 
> Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs" AssociatedWith  
> Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones
> 
> I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which 
> is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7
> 
> At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
>> this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO issues 
>> we're having.
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RE: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[chaltain]

Although I agree that it's important for blind people to participate in the 
betas and provide feedback, I also agree with Wayne that you have to keep in 
mind that these are betas, so it may not be appropriate for every blind person 
to be running a beta on their only device.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14
> 
> hello Wane,
> 
> to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
> I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why don't
> you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong sometime when
> Apple relises them!
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> > I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise
> > my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I
> > don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something
> > goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you
> > put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work
> > on what is reported.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
> >> hello,
> >>
> >> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to
> >> the masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them
> >> post haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I
> >> urge all experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com,
> >> and then join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this
> >> program puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team.
> >> they do not email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting
> >> fixt  I was speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and
> >> they informed me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users
> >> are beta testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with
> >> multiple users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time
> >> and time again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people
> >> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only
> >> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the
> >> apple beta software program and report what bugs they find ,
> >> reporting these affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy
> >> beta testing everybody, Daniel Angus MacDonald
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
> >>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all
> >>> if you use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list
> >>> of all the errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me
> >>> know if you can repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which
> >>> ones. Also let me know
> >>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I am
> >>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to
> >>> make a comprehensive list because these problems just started today
> >>> or yesterday.
> >>> I
> >>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five
> >>> days ago whenever the update was available. For some reason either I
> >>> didn’t notice, or the problems were not occurring for the first few
> >>> days. Can anyone else reproduce any or all of these issues?
> >>>
> >>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button
> >>> sometimes just holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone
> >>> click endlessly as if I am scrolling through thousands of pages This
> >>> endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also
> >>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the
> >>> screen and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as
> >>> humanly possible clicking thousands of times but going nowhere
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I
> >>> could flip back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any
> >>> app. double clicking did nothing. Siri would not do anything.
> >>> Asking her to do anything at all resulted in her stating the
> >>> obvious, there’s a problem. Holding down the power button and volume
> >>> did not bring up slide slide to shut down I had to do a hard reset.
> >>> For iPhones that do not have a home button, the way you do this is
> >>> quickly pressing volume up, volume down, then holding the side power
> >>> button until your phone shows the Apple logo
> >>>
> >>> Opening up the mail app focus get stuck on the search box in the
> >>> search button continuously flicking right does not change the focus
> >>> to the list of folders or list of male messages. The same thing
> >>> happens when opening up the message application. Focus get stuck on
> >>> the search box. The only way to get out of this is to tap somewhere
> 

RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[chaltain]

For my part, I'm not as pessimistic, and I won't be jumping to conclusions but 
rather, I'll be installing this update and taking a look for myself.

I'm glad you've never run into a "bug" on Android. I'm not saying it's any 
worse then the iPhone, but I've definitely seen my share of Android, Talk Back, 
and Voice Assistant bugs.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Robin
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out
> 
> Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
> Apple's
> VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining either, so 
> You'll
> have to Wait until YourTurn comes up
> 
> Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs"
> AssociatedWith  Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones
> 
> I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which
> is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7
> 
> At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
> >this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO
> >issues we're having.
> >
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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Robin]

Oh Yeah, I  ForGot:
Apple's AppleMaps
At 10:30 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:


Yes.

If you just want turn-by-turn directions either 
walking or driving, Google Maps is very good.


If you want something that will tell you about 
the streets you are crossing, and points of 
interest nearby, Lazarillo is very good and free.


It can also give you walking turn-by-turn 
directions within the app, or can launch Google 
Maps and it will still give you information about the streets.


I find the Points of Interest a little too 
distracting, so I turn off the explore mode 
which is on by default when you launch 
Lazarillo.  It is a button at the top of the 
screen so easy to get to and turn off.








Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge 
over which he must pass himself,† and we 
forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable 
that while I have regretted not granting grace 
to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?



Hello,



Is there any gps app free and easy to use?



Thanks,



Rena



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Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Robin]

Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind 
users of Apple's  VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not 
at  The Begining either, so You'll have to Wait until YourTurn comes up


Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs" 
AssociatedWith  Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones


I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, 
which is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7


At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO 
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RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[davycuppens]

That is less probably because all beta testers report in ios14.2 b1 no bug 
solutions for voiceover.

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Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 20:05
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Onderwerp: IOS 14.0.1 is out

this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO issues we're 
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IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Gordon]

this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO 
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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Richard Turner]

Another app, called Goodmaps Explore, which is from a company created by APH, 
Goodmaps Inc, just came out this month I believe, or certainly in the last 
couple of months.
You can read more about it here: https://www.goodmaps.com/
It is free, and will show up on your device as Explore.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Subject: Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

hello reta,

another free and easy to use GPS app is Nearby Explorer Online. the awesome 
advantage to this app is everything is switchbuttons, which are on the main 
screen of this app. it does turn-by-turn, and tells you about more than just 
the streets you cross. Heading, street name, street number, how fast you're 
going, and much more. it uses Open Street Map or Apple Maps for your address 
and search provider. it works great and is updated often. if you want help with 
this app, email me at daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com for help off list. skype:
daniel.angus.macdon...@outlook.com. FaceTime, daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com 
or windows.1...@icloud.com.
warm regards,
Daniel Angus MacDonald


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Re: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I don't have Twitter open or any of its other apps like Twitterific or anything 
like that open in the app switcher.

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

On Sep 24, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Richard Turner  
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I will bet if you close twitter out of the app switcher, your issue will go 
away.



Richard
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

I'm using a focus 14 with the UEB table. I'm on Twitter but don't have that app 
open. I'm using the latest IOS.

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

I just opened messages and began a text message and no a's and no mentions
Are you in Twitter?  Twitter has mentions, but I've not run into that in text 
messages.
Which braille table are you using?
Which display?



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

Hi all. Just a quick question about sending texts in IOS 14. I start a text to 
someone and the braille is weird, it says 1 possible mention but in between 
each word there are a's after I put a space in between each word. Any way to 
turn off these one possible mention notifications in the messages so that my 
text can flow normally? 

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
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Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Robin]

Here are  a  Couple Others (FREE GPS MobileApps):
 Explore i.e., GoodMaps Explore
Lazrillo GPS
Microsoft's SoundScape
&
these are In AdditionTo:
NearByExplorer OnLine

Others, which  I haven't Tried are:
WeWalk MobileApp
RunGo

Hope this Answers YourPostin'Question
At 10:49 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:

hello reta,

another free and easy to use GPS app is Nearby Explorer Online. the
awesome advantage to this app is everything is switchbuttons, which
are on the main screen of this app. it does turn-by-turn, and tells
you about more than just the streets you cross. Heading, street name,
street number, how fast you're going, and much more. it uses Open
Street Map or Apple Maps for your address and search provider. it
works great and is updated often. if you want help with this app,
email me at daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com for help off list. skype:
daniel.angus.macdon...@outlook.com. FaceTime,
daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com or windows.1...@icloud.com.
warm regards,
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Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[goshawk on horseback]

as I said, that is what I find super useful when out riding, which is why I 
like this app.


Simon


- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:36 PM
Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour


That one sounds good, Simon.

Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While 
waiting for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, 
from that time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO 
kept announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't 
mind, so didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that 
started or what I would have had to do to get it stopped.


The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound 
really good.


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Importance: High

personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required 
easily, and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 
60mins for the alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 
30, and hourly alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out 
and look at the time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use 
it when I am out riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good 
way of telling how long I have been out, with out actually needing to take 
the phone out, or fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with 
lizzie's reins.

the app is completely accessible as well.

Simon


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Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour



hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.

That will speak or chime the time on the hour?

That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?

If so can you please share what it is.

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Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Daniel MacDonald]

hello reta,

another free and easy to use GPS app is Nearby Explorer Online. the
awesome advantage to this app is everything is switchbuttons, which
are on the main screen of this app. it does turn-by-turn, and tells
you about more than just the streets you cross. Heading, street name,
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works great and is updated often. if you want help with this app,
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On 9/24/20, Rena  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
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> Is there any gps app free and easy to use?
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Re: RenamingBluetooth devices on my iPhone

[Barbara Stahl]

So I used the double tap and hold labeling gesture you suggested and it worked 
perfectly. This is going to make selecting the correct bluetooth device to 
connect too so much easier.  Before I had to guess and often had to go through 
three attempted connects before finding the right device. 
Thanks so much for the help!!!  

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 5:39 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Actually, you can take advantage of VoiceOver's ability to label buttons 
> here.Do a two finger double tap and hold on the name of a bluetooth device in 
> the bluetooth settings.you should get several beeps, when it is ready, a text 
> box will appear which is editing and you can change the text to anything you 
> want, flick over to save and double tap.They should have unique ID's so this 
> should work.Worse case would be that all of them would end up changing to the 
> new name ifthe manufacturer used the same button for them all; but it is 
> worth a try.I just did this with two braille devices with similar names to 
> make it easier to distinguish which one I am connecting to.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> 
>> Barbara.  You should only have to pair a set of bluetooth headphones
>> one time, and even if you have several of the same brand, if you
>> haven't paired a bluetooth headset, it will show up in the list of new
>> devices.  Just double tap on the headset that comes up and you should
>> be good to go.  I don't think there is a way of renaming bluetooth
>> devices.  Good luck.
>> 
>>> On 9/22/20, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
>>> Hi list!
>>> Is it possible to rename a bluetooth device in the apple bluetooth settings?
>>> 
>>> I am asking because I have several pairs of headphones that are the same
>>> brand so they show up under the same name. This makes it really hard to
>>> figure out which device I need to double tap on when I wish to pair it with
>>> my iphone.  I thought it might be easier if I could rename the devices.  So
>>> is this possible?
>>> I have an iphone 8 running ios 13.3.1
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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Richard Turner]

Yes.
If you just want turn-by-turn directions either walking or driving, Google Maps 
is very good.
If you want something that will tell you about the streets you are crossing, 
and points of interest nearby, Lazarillo is very good and free.
It can also give you walking turn-by-turn directions within the app, or can 
launch Google Maps and it will still give you information about the streets.
I find the Points of Interest a little too distracting, so I turn off the 
explore mode which is on by default when you launch Lazarillo.  It is a button 
at the top of the screen so easy to get to and turn off.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
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Hello,

Is there any gps app free and easy to use?

Thanks,

Rena

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Re: extent and power of iOS shortcuts

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Dean,

There is a group for discussing shortcuts. It's not very active, but it might 
be worth a try. It's at
https://groups.io/g/Shortcuts-Workflow

Best,
Anna

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dean Martineau  wrote:
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> I’m trying to figure out if what I want to achieve can be done with shortcuts 
> under iOS 14. If so, I’ll go to the effort of learning to make and use them.
>  
> I use a 3rd-party timer app which enables you to set and reuse various times 
> of different intervals and with different ringers and alerts.  I would like 
> to be able to create shortcuts to those timers found in the app so that I 
> have easier access to them than I already have. The app doesn’t have any 
> evident provisions for shortcuts.  
>  
> If I can script this, I figure I can do pretty much anything I would want to 
> do. So is it possible to create such shortcuts?  
>  
> Any other insights about learning shortcuts, should it be possible to do so, 
> would be most welcome. 
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Re: Braille keystrokes for modifier keys like the command key

[Optimum]

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I started a new thread rather than continue the one about the broken command 
> since it isn’t broken in iOS 14 release version.
>  
> Braille Key equivelants for doing keyboard commands just like on a QWERTY 
> keyboard;
>  
> Dot 1+7+spacebar, Command key   
> Dot 2+7 +spacebar, Options key
> Dot 3+7+spacebar, Control key
> Dot 4+7+spacebar, Shift key
> Dot 5+7+spacebar, FN key
>  
> To toggle any of the above keys on, use dot 8 instead of dot 7.  Note, you 
> will need to repeat the combination with dot 8 when you want to toggle off 
> the key.
>  
> Command+Shift+d, Send, mail
> Command+R, Reply
> Command+n, new Email, Text message, calendar event, or note
> Control+Options+l, Read current line
> Control+Options+w, Read current word
> Control+Options+c, Read current character
>  
> All of these are included in my list of braille keyboard commands on my web 
> site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> Richard
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> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
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> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
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Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Rena]

Hello,

 

Is there any gps app free and easy to use?

 

Thanks,

 

Rena

 

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Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[Daniel MacDonald]

hello Wane,

to each  their own. I myself have one iOS device that can run iOS 14.
I understand your apprehention about joining the beta program, but why
don't you use iTunes on your computer? an update could go wrong
sometime when Apple relises them!
Daniel


On 9/24/20, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise
> my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I
> don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something
> goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you
> put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work
> on what is reported.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
>> hello,
>>
>> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to the
>> masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them post
>> haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I urge all
>> experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com, and then
>> join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this program
>> puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team. they do not
>> email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting fixt  I was
>> speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and they informed
>> me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users are beta
>> testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with multiple
>> users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time and time
>> again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people
>> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only
>> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the apple
>> beta software program and report what bugs they find , reporting these
>> affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy beta testing
>> everybody,
>> Daniel Angus MacDonald
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
>>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all if
>>> you
>>> use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list of all the
>>> errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me know if you
>>> can
>>> repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which ones. Also let me
>>> know
>>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I am
>>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to make
>>> a
>>> comprehensive list because these problems just started today or
>>> yesterday.
>>> I
>>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five days
>>> ago
>>> whenever the update was available. For some reason either I didn’t
>>> notice,
>>> or the problems were not occurring for the first few days. Can anyone
>>> else
>>> reproduce any or all of these issues?
>>>
>>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button sometimes
>>> just
>>> holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone click endlessly as if I
>>> am
>>> scrolling through thousands of pages
>>> This endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also
>>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the
>>> screen
>>> and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as humanly
>>> possible clicking thousands of times but going nowhere
>>>
>>>
>>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I could
>>> flip
>>> back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any app. double
>>> clicking
>>> did nothing. Siri would not do anything.  Asking her to do anything at
>>> all
>>> resulted in her stating the obvious, there’s a problem. Holding down the
>>> power button and volume did not bring up slide slide to shut down I had
>>> to
>>> do a hard reset. For iPhones that do not have a home button, the way you
>>> do
>>> this is quickly pressing volume up, volume down, then holding the side
>>> power
>>> button until your phone shows the Apple logo
>>>
>>> Opening up the mail app focus get stuck on the search box in the search
>>> button continuously flicking right does not change the focus to the list
>>> of
>>> folders or list of male messages. The same thing happens when opening up
>>> the
>>> message application. Focus get stuck on the search box. The only way to
>>> get
>>> out of this is to tap somewhere else on the screen there by manually
>>> changing the focus to the list of text messages or list of emails or
>>> whatever
>>>
>>> Opening up settings accessibility voiceover audio and haptics none of
>>> the
>>> customizations for different functions, that is determining for each
>>> type
>>> of
>>> activity whether you want vibrate and or sound to occur, none of those
>>> customizations have any effect. Sound and vibrations are always played
>>>
>>> Occasionally when I go to the app switcher, the app switcher opens but
>>> the
>>> phone continues to read the home screen as if the app switcher never
>>> came
>>> up
>>>
>>>
>>>  when the 

Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

[Arlene]

When it comes to cable companies unless they have a true fiber connection to 
offer you the quality of service can be all over the place. Even if they do 
offer fiber, it might not be as good a offering as other companies. For 
example we have earthlink and our speeds are a semetric, meaning that they 
furnish one gig outgoing and one gig incoming at all times. Yes we gave up 
cox cable the 14th of february of this year. Another company that claims to 
offer the same service as earthlink in our neighborhood is at fiber. Well 
a little food for thought and something to think about. In your trouble 
shooting here's something you should check first, this is in our router and 
should be in most routers. Once you log into the router find the speed test 
and check it. If it's correct you've eliminated one thing. Without knowing 
this information you don't know if you're getting the service you're paying 
for. If you are getting the right service you might have a device that isn't 
operating correctly. I wish I was there and I would get it sorted out 
quickly, but I think you can do it.

Wayne

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?


No. I have not reset my network settings. I did find out that my husband who 
has a Mac which is also on Wi-Fi, his Mac is getting very slow results too. 
And that Mac has not been updated in a while. So I have a feeling it must 
have something to do with the router. But then why would LTE on the phone be 
affected? It’s really very weird. And it’s beyond my pay grade.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Have you tried reseting just network settings?
Maybe it just needs a kick in the pants.
I think we are not paying for much speed.
It is fast enough for what I do.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
Edward Herbert


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Well, I guess it depends on what speed you’re paying for. We just changed 
plans, and strangely enough, the cheaper plan had a better Internet speed. 
It’s 600 that we are supposed to get. Now I never get that over Wi-Fi. But 
I am in the hundreds, or should be. So I just don’t know.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


I just tested my SE 2020 with the speedtest app and the download speed 
is 119 Megabits per second.  Upload 5.99 MegaBitsPperSsecond.
I  don't often do this, so have no idea if those numbers are decent or 
not.


We also have Comcast/Xfinity.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
Edward Herbert


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:33 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: My download speed on my Xr his way down any ideas?

Something strange is going on with download speed here. On this phone, 
whether or not I am on LTE or on my Wi-Fi, speed is much less than usual. 
This is with iOS 14. I use the speed test app. Usually, my download over 
the LTE is somewhere just north of 100 mbps. And if I’m on my Wi-Fi 
network, it’s considerably more than that. The fact that both speeds are 
way down from where they should be makes me think there’s something going 
on with the phone. Checked my 7+, and it’s download speed is also way 
down on Wi-Fi. That one doesn’t have a Sim, so I can’t check LTE. It’s 
not my cable, because I have a computer with a wired connection, and it’s 
getting over 600 which is what it should get. So it’s not Comcast. I’m 
really at a loss. I have an Orby mesh system which has worked very well 
since we got it a couple of years ago. The app is still working, and it 
appears everything is online as it should be. But this is really screwed 
up.



Sent from my iPhone

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RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Carolyn, you may have had focus on the time in the status bar and that is why 
it kept announcing it.

Pam



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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

That one sounds good, Simon. 

Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While waiting 
for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, from that 
time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO kept 
announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't mind, so 
didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that started or 
what I would have had to do to get it stopped. 

The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound really 
good. 

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goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
Importance: High

personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required easily, 
and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 60mins for the 
alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 30, and hourly 
alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out and look at the 
time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use it when I am out 
riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good way of telling how 
long I have been out, with out actually needing to take the phone out, or 
fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with lizzie's reins.
the app is completely accessible as well.

Simon


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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour


> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>
> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>
> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
>
> If so can you please share what it is.
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RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Carolyn]

That one sounds good, Simon. 

Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While waiting 
for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, from that 
time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO kept 
announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't mind, so 
didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that started or 
what I would have had to do to get it stopped. 

The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound really 
good. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
Importance: High

personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required easily, 
and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 60mins for the 
alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 30, and hourly 
alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out and look at the 
time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use it when I am out 
riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good way of telling how 
long I have been out, with out actually needing to take the phone out, or 
fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with lizzie's reins.
the app is completely accessible as well.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Casey" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:13 AM
Subject: looking for an app that gives the time every hour


> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>
> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>
> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
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RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

[Carolyn]

I'll just wait until 14.1, don't want reset, thanks all the same. 

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Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:40 PM
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Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

James,

I'm glad resetting all your settings corrected most of your iOS 14 issues. I'll 
caution others from doing that because when Apple Accessibility had me reset my 
settings in connection with an issue I was reporting, not only did doing so not 
affect the issue but all of my custom settings were reset to factory defaults. 
This was such an inconvenience that I attempted to get my settings back by 
restoring an iTunes encrypted backup which failed and hung requiring me to 
restore my iPhone SE 2020 to brand new factory defaults. Fortunately, after 
doing this, I was able to restore my iTunes encrypted backup but I spent about 
12 hours on Saturday messing with the phone.

Alan Lemly

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James Lockwood
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:46 PM
To: IPhone Google Group
Subject: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of 
my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

Earlier today I posted a big list of stuff that was going wrong with voiceover. 
This is on iOS 14 and an iPhone 11 promax. Tonight I reset all settings but did 
not erase all data. The problems went away. I don�t know what it was� What 
setting I had screwed up. Hopefully it does not come back. Hopefully it does 
not come back. To reset all your settings go to General in settings all the way 
to the bottom reset in settings all the way to the bottom reset

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RE: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

[Richard Turner]

I will bet if you close twitter out of the app switcher, your issue will go 
away.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rebecca 
Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

I'm using a focus 14 with the UEB table. I'm on Twitter but don't have that app 
open. I'm using the latest IOS.

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

I just opened messages and began a text message and no a's and no mentions
Are you in Twitter?  Twitter has mentions, but I've not run into that in text 
messages.
Which braille table are you using?
Which display?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

Hi all. Just a quick question about sending texts in IOS 14. I start a text to 
someone and the braille is weird, it says 1 possible mention but in between 
each word there are a's after I put a space in between each word. Any way to 
turn off these one possible mention notifications in the messages so that my 
text can flow normally? 

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
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Twitter: applegirl1994

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Re: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I'm using a focus 14 with the UEB table. I'm on Twitter but don't have that app 
open. I'm using the latest IOS.

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

I just opened messages and began a text message and no a's and no mentions
Are you in Twitter?  Twitter has mentions, but I've not run into that in text 
messages.
Which braille table are you using?
Which display?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rebecca 
Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

Hi all. Just a quick question about sending texts in IOS 14. I start a text to 
someone and the braille is weird, it says 1 possible mention but in between 
each word there are a's after I put a space in between each word. Any way to 
turn off these one possible mention notifications in the messages so that my 
text can flow normally? 

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

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Re: Problem With Siri

[Shirley Baker]

I went to Siri and noticed I had a few things turned off that should have been 
on and I tried asking a question again and got a good response. Thank you, 
Richard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try turning on hey Siri on the phone and see if that makes a difference.
> If not, and I suspect it won't, call Apple Accessibility, 877-204-3930
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Problem With Siri
> 
> I have the 6S plus iPhone. Whenever I press the home button to talk to Siri, 
> she responds by saying making a FaceTime call to, and mentions a name and 
> does not respond to whatever I'm asking. I turned FaceTime off in 
> notifications. What do I need to do to change this? I have hey Siri turned on 
> the watch but not on my phone. Would that make any difference?
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Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

[Ian Harrison]

Hi All,

My University is now using Teams for most learning. I was lead to believe it 
was accessible for Mac users, but I am not finding this to be the case. Sighted 
help tells me that Microsoft’s own guidance does not do what it says it should 
do; even using the key control modifier instead of the correct ‘command’.

Am I being stupid here or what?

Kind regards
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RE: Problem With Siri

[Richard Turner]

Try turning on hey Siri on the phone and see if that makes a difference.
If not, and I suspect it won't, call Apple Accessibility, 877-204-3930



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem With Siri

I have the 6S plus iPhone. Whenever I press the home button to talk to Siri, 
she responds by saying making a FaceTime call to, and mentions a name and does 
not respond to whatever I'm asking. I turned FaceTime off in notifications. 
What do I need to do to change this? I have hey Siri turned on the watch but 
not on my phone. Would that make any difference?

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Problem With Siri

[Shirley Baker]

I have the 6S plus iPhone. Whenever I press the home button to talk to Siri, 
she responds by saying making a FaceTime call to, and mentions a name and does 
not respond to whatever I'm asking. I turned FaceTime off in notifications. 
What do I need to do to change this? I have hey Siri turned on the watch but 
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RE: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

[Richard Turner]

I just opened messages and began a text message and no a's and no mentions
Are you in Twitter?  Twitter has mentions, but I've not run into that in text 
messages.
Which braille table are you using?
Which display?



Richard
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Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: sending texts in messages in IOS 14

Hi all. Just a quick question about sending texts in IOS 14. I start a text to 
someone and the braille is weird, it says 1 possible mention but in between 
each word there are a's after I put a space in between each word. Any way to 
turn off these one possible mention notifications in the messages so that my 
text can flow normally? 

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

Ha, ha.
Sadly, some people expect perfection…

As my wife is fond of quoting, Jon Wesley said “While striving for perfection, 
let us do what is possible.”



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Sure glad to hear that you are human, like the rest of us. I have wondered?
Marie


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Which I did, sorry about bringing it up here.
I do make mistakes, but I’m human.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Point well taken.
I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, 
davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Richard please be honest now

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
You are on iOS 14, right?
It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Marie]

Sure glad to hear that you are human, like the rest of us. I have wondered?
Marie


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Which I did, sorry about bringing it up here.

I do make mistakes, but I’m human.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

Point well taken. 

I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.

I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

  On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

   

  Richard please be honest now 

   

  Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?

  If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.

  Davy 

   

  Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
  Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
  Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

   

  I’ve not heard of that keyboard.

  You are on iOS 14, right?

  It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.

   

   

   

  Richard

  "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
  Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

   

  Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.

  Gera

  Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

   

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:

 

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to 
reply to an email since iOS 14?

It is not working.

I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.

Command+n for new works fine.

But command+r for reply does nothing.

I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.

Please do likewise if you can confirm.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Braille keystrokes for modifier keys like the command key

[Richard Turner]

I started a new thread rather than continue the one about the broken command 
since it isn't broken in iOS 14 release version.

Braille Key equivelants for doing keyboard commands just like on a QWERTY 
keyboard;

Dot 1+7+spacebar, Command key
Dot 2+7 +spacebar, Options key
Dot 3+7+spacebar, Control key
Dot 4+7+spacebar, Shift key
Dot 5+7+spacebar, FN key

To toggle any of the above keys on, use dot 8 instead of dot 7.  Note, you will 
need to repeat the combination with dot 8 when you want to toggle off the key.

Command+Shift+d, Send, mail
Command+R, Reply
Command+n, new Email, Text message, calendar event, or note
Control+Options+l, Read current line
Control+Options+w, Read current word
Control+Options+c, Read current character

All of these are included in my list of braille keyboard commands on my web 
site: www.turner42.com


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Devin Prater]

I'm sure the braille commands for the modifiers are in the commands
section, but basically you press the command modifier command, and then
type r on the braille keyboard. This makes using a braille display almost
like having a Bluetooth keyboard in functionality.
Devin Prater
sent from Gmail.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Which I did, sorry about bringing it up here.
>
> I do make mistakes, but I’m human.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *davycupp...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:10 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.
>
>
>
> *Van:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *Namens *Richard
> Turner
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
> *Aan:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> Point well taken.
>
> I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
>
> I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard please be honest now
>
>
>
> Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
>
> If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums
> to make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
>
> Davy
>
>
>
> *Van:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *Namens *Richard
> Turner
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
> *Aan:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
>
> You are on iOS 14, right?
>
> It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Gerardo Corripio
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
>
> Gera
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner <
> richardturne...@outlook.com> escribió:
>
> 
>
> Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to
> reply to an email since iOS 14?
>
> It is not working.
>
> I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
>
> Command+n for new works fine.
>
> But command+r for reply does nothing.
>
> I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on
> the beta to them.
>
> Please do likewise if you can confirm.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

The braille keystroke for the command key is to press space+dots7,1.
Then qickly press the letter r.
The sequence space+dots7,1 then the letter n works for new emails, text 
messages, and calendar events.
I think it also works in Notes.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

How do you perform a command plus r on  a braille display? I’ve never use that 
command.
Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.


On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 Point well taken.
I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, 
davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Richard please be honest now

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
You are on iOS 14, right?
It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

Which I did, sorry about bringing it up here.
I do make mistakes, but I’m human.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Point well taken.
I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, 
davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Richard please be honest now

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
You are on iOS 14, right?
It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
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RE: An iPhone Question

[Noe Villeda]

I did, and Siri didn’t find any matching videos.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An iPhone Question

 

Try asking Siri to play my videos.

The labeling is not very user friendly in iOS 14.

When I asked Siri to play my videos, which my About says I have 2, one showed 
up.

It may only show you one at a time.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: An iPhone Question

 

Hello listers,

 

I have the iPhone 10r, with the latest I O S 14.0.

 

In settings,general, about, it says that I have 5 videos on my phone, but there 
aren’t any videos in photo or video viewer.

 

Does anyone know where these videos would be stored on the phone?

 

I’d appreciate any information.

 

 

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RE: An iPhone Question

[Richard Turner]

Try asking Siri to play my videos.
The labeling is not very user friendly in iOS 14.
When I asked Siri to play my videos, which my About says I have 2, one showed 
up.
It may only show you one at a time.
HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Noe 
Villeda
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: An iPhone Question

Hello listers,

I have the iPhone 10r, with the latest I O S 14.0.

In settings,general, about, it says that I have 5 videos on my phone, but there 
aren’t any videos in photo or video viewer.

Does anyone know where these videos would be stored on the phone?

I’d appreciate any information.


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Kimberly]

How do you perform a command plus r on  a braille display? I’ve never use that 
command.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Point well taken.
> I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
> I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Richard please be honest now
>>  
>> Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
>> If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
>> make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
>> Davy
>>  
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard 
>> Turner
>> Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>>  
>> I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
>> You are on iOS 14, right?
>> It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>>  
>> Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>  
>> 
>> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
>>  escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to 
>> reply to an email since iOS 14?
>> It is not working.
>> I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
>> Command+n for new works fine.
>> But command+r for reply does nothing.
>> I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
>> beta to them.
>> Please do likewise if you can confirm.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[davycuppens]

So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

Point well taken. 

I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.

I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Richard please be honest now 

 

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?

If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.

You are on iOS 14, right?

It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > escribió:

 

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?

It is not working.

I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.

Command+n for new works fine.

But command+r for reply does nothing.

I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.

Please do likewise if you can confirm.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

Point well taken.
I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:


Richard please be honest now

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
You are on iOS 14, right?
It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[davycuppens]

Richard please be honest now 

 

Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?

If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums to 
make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.

You are on iOS 14, right?

It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

 

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > escribió:

 

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?

It is not working.

I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.

Command+n for new works fine.

But command+r for reply does nothing.

I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.

Please do likewise if you can confirm.

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Re: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

[Gerardo Corripio]

speaking of voiceover bugs and resetting to default settings, I’ve a 
spanish-speaking blind friend who is a Beta Tester, and way back since Beta2 
when he had VoiceOver issues (specially focus ones), he did a Restore like the 
one you guys are talking about, and bye bye issues!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:46 a.m., Alan Lemly  escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> I'm not going to argue that resetting one's settings after a full reset can't 
> be done but the amount of time involved will be a function of one's memory or 
> documentation of custom settings which I suspect few have. I believe I had 
> reset most of mine accept for the background wallpaper color which was reset 
> to what appeared to be an orange color. I could not figure out how to get the 
> sea green color I previously had back. The bigger issue is identifying the 
> benefit of resetting all your settings. I know James said it resolved most of 
> his issues but it certainly didn't resolve the one I reported to Apple 
> Accessibility. And I can't say I was noticing any difference in 
> responsiveness of my SE 2020 after the reset so the cost of the reset in my 
> case was a lot greater than any benefit received.
> 
> Alan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:12:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved 
> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems
>  
> Hi Alan,
> 
> I don't think people should be that terribly afraid of resetting all 
> settings, but of course you have to assume that this does exactly what it 
> says, it will reset "all settings" to factory default.
> If you actually take a moment to read what it says before youc onfirm, you 
> would see this:
> 
> This will reset all settings.
> No data or media will be deleted.
> After you confirm you are furthermore told that it will erase any payment 
> cards on file and since passcodes and any Touch Id or Face Id entries are 
> also settings they will also be deleted and after the phone reboots there 
> will be no passcode, you will have to again set one up and redo your Touch or 
> Face Id authentication.
> 
> I actually did this also on Sunday and it took me maybe half an hour or 45 
> minutes to first of all reconnect to WiFi and rename my phone, then to set up 
> a passcode and Touch Id, then to add my two credit cards and to a large 
> extend the time was spend going through a bunch of settings like Background 
> App Refresh, Keyboards, Privacy/location services etc. and putting them back 
> to what I had/wanted. Of course that also included switching my main voice 
> back to American female SIRI, adding a German voice and so on.
> Apart from that it was not such a big deal and I previously chose to erase 
> all settings and content and to start from scratch without restoring from a 
> backup and that was truly a lot of work since I basically redownloaded all my 
> apps again and set up everything from scratch.
> Resetting all settings also reset my ringtone and other sounds to factory 
> default, but since I didn't erase all data and content my custom ringtones 
> and alert tones were all still there and it took me maybe 5 minutes to set my 
> custom tones up again, go into the individual Mail accounts I have to set up 
> the tones I want for them etc.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved 
> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems
> 
> James,
> 
> I'm glad resetting all your settings corrected most of your iOS 14 issues. 
> I'll caution others from doing that because when Apple Accessibility had me 
> reset my settings in connection with an issue I was reporting, not only did 
> doing so not affect the issue but all of my custom settings were reset to 
> factory defaults. This was such an inconvenience that I attempted to get my 
> settings back by restoring an iTunes encrypted backup which failed and hung 
> requiring me to restore my iPhone SE 2020 to brand new factory defaults. 
> Fortunately, after doing this, I was able to restore my iTunes encrypted 
> backup but I spent about 12 hours on Saturday messing with the phone.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> James Lockwood
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:46 PM
> To: IPhone Google Group
> Subject: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
> of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems
> 
> Earlier today I posted a big list of stuff that was going wrong with 
> voiceover. This is on iOS 14 and an iPhone 11 promax. Tonight I 

Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Gerardo Corripio]

Richard an dlisters
Yes I just performed the Command+r command to reply to this Email via the 
Elle-Gate bluetooth keyboard. That’s weird!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:41 a.m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
> You are on iOS 14, right?
> It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>  
> Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
> 
> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
> to an email since iOS 14?
> It is not working.
> I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
> Command+n for new works fine.
> But command+r for reply does nothing.
> I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
> beta to them.
> Please do likewise if you can confirm.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Sieghard,

I'm not going to argue that resetting one's settings after a full reset can't 
be done but the amount of time involved will be a function of one's memory or 
documentation of custom settings which I suspect few have. I believe I had 
reset most of mine accept for the background wallpaper color which was reset to 
what appeared to be an orange color. I could not figure out how to get the sea 
green color I previously had back. The bigger issue is identifying the benefit 
of resetting all your settings. I know James said it resolved most of his 
issues but it certainly didn't resolve the one I reported to Apple 
Accessibility. And I can't say I was noticing any difference in responsiveness 
of my SE 2020 after the reset so the cost of the reset in my case was a lot 
greater than any benefit received.

Alan

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:12:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

Hi Alan,

I don't think people should be that terribly afraid of resetting all settings, 
but of course you have to assume that this does exactly what it says, it will 
reset "all settings" to factory default.
If you actually take a moment to read what it says before youc onfirm, you 
would see this:

This will reset all settings.
No data or media will be deleted.
After you confirm you are furthermore told that it will erase any payment cards 
on file and since passcodes and any Touch Id or Face Id entries are also 
settings they will also be deleted and after the phone reboots there will be no 
passcode, you will have to again set one up and redo your Touch or Face Id 
authentication.

I actually did this also on Sunday and it took me maybe half an hour or 45 
minutes to first of all reconnect to WiFi and rename my phone, then to set up a 
passcode and Touch Id, then to add my two credit cards and to a large extend 
the time was spend going through a bunch of settings like Background App 
Refresh, Keyboards, Privacy/location services etc. and putting them back to 
what I had/wanted. Of course that also included switching my main voice back to 
American female SIRI, adding a German voice and so on.
Apart from that it was not such a big deal and I previously chose to erase all 
settings and content and to start from scratch without restoring from a backup 
and that was truly a lot of work since I basically redownloaded all my apps 
again and set up everything from scratch.
Resetting all settings also reset my ringtone and other sounds to factory 
default, but since I didn't erase all data and content my custom ringtones and 
alert tones were all still there and it took me maybe 5 minutes to set my 
custom tones up again, go into the individual Mail accounts I have to set up 
the tones I want for them etc.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most 
of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

James,

I'm glad resetting all your settings corrected most of your iOS 14 issues. I'll 
caution others from doing that because when Apple Accessibility had me reset my 
settings in connection with an issue I was reporting, not only did doing so not 
affect the issue but all of my custom settings were reset to factory defaults. 
This was such an inconvenience that I attempted to get my settings back by 
restoring an iTunes encrypted backup which failed and hung requiring me to 
restore my iPhone SE 2020 to brand new factory defaults. Fortunately, after 
doing this, I was able to restore my iTunes encrypted backup but I spent about 
12 hours on Saturday messing with the phone.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Lockwood
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:46 PM
To: IPhone Google Group
Subject: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of 
my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

Earlier today I posted a big list of stuff that was going wrong with voiceover. 
This is on iOS 14 and an iPhone 11 promax. Tonight I reset all settings but did 
not erase all data. The problems went away. I don�t know what it was� What 
setting I had screwed up. Hopefully it does not come back. Hopefully it does 
not come back. To reset all your settings go to General in settings all the way 
to the bottom reset in settings all the way to the bottom reset

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Re: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Richard Turner]

Chime from Blacktree is free andis working fine on two different devices for me.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

 Try Talkin.Clock2 from 
https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/talking-clock2-talktime/id545312858

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 7:31 a.m., Cook, Steve  
escribió:


Also, VoiceOver Clock

Thank You,
Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
Newsline Administrator
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951


www.sccb.state.sc.us



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 7:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

Check out chime by black tree,
Here is the link
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chime/id414830146



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 23, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Casey 
mailto:cwoll...@wi.rr.com>> wrote:
hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.

That will speak or chime the time on the hour?

That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?

If so can you please share what it is.

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RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
You are on iOS 14, right?
It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
Gera
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El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Gerardo Corripio]

Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.

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> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
> to an email since iOS 14?
> It is not working.
> I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
> Command+n for new works fine.
> But command+r for reply does nothing.
> I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
> beta to them.
> Please do likewise if you can confirm.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Gerardo Corripio]

Try Talkin.Clock2 from 
https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/talking-clock2-talktime/id545312858

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> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 7:31 a.m., Cook, Steve  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Also, VoiceOver Clock
>  
> Thank You,
> Steve Cook, CPM
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> Newsline Administrator
> SC Commission for the Blind
> 1430 Confederate avenue
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> Office: (803) 898-8788
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>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 7:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour
>  
> Check out chime by black tree,
> Here is the link
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chime/id414830146
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Casey  wrote:
> 
> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
> 
> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
> 
> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
> 
> If so can you please share what it is.
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extent and power of iOS shortcuts

[Dean Martineau]

I'm trying to figure out if what I want to achieve can be done with
shortcuts under iOS 14. If so, I'll go to the effort of learning to make and
use them.

 

I use a 3rd-party timer app which enables you to set and reuse various times
of different intervals and with different ringers and alerts.  I would like
to be able to create shortcuts to those timers found in the app so that I
have easier access to them than I already have. The app doesn't have any
evident provisions for shortcuts.  

 

If I can script this, I figure I can do pretty much anything I would want to
do. So is it possible to create such shortcuts?  

 

Any other insights about learning shortcuts, should it be possible to do so,
would be most welcome. 

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An iPhone Question

[Noe Villeda]

Hello listers,

 

I have the iPhone 10r, with the latest I O S 14.0.

 

In settings,general, about, it says that I have 5 videos on my phone, but there 
aren’t any videos in photo or video viewer.

 

Does anyone know where these videos would be stored on the phone?

 

I’d appreciate any information.

 

 

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sending texts in messages in IOS 14

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi all. Just a quick question about sending texts in IOS 14. I start a text to 
someone and the braille is weird, it says 1 possible mention but in between 
each word there are a's after I put a space in between each word. Any way to 
turn off these one possible mention notifications in the messages so that my 
text can flow normally? 

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
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Re: list of my problems with voiceover and iOS 14

[Wayne Merritt]

I've thought of joining the beta program, but don't want to compromise
my primary device. I don't have a separate device to test on. Plus, I
don't use iTunes on my computer so can't restore anything if something
goes wrong. Hats off to the beta testers though for the hard work you
put in and the bugs you report. No one can get it all, but great work
on what is reported.

Wayne

On 9/23/20, Daniel MacDonald  wrote:
> hello,
>
> I was a  public beta tester before iOS 14 was publicly released to the
> masses. I have ran into a few of these, and I will report them post
> haist once my iPhoner is sent back to me. in the mean time, I urge all
> experiencing bugs to report them to accessibil...@apple.com, and then
> join the Apple beta software program. being a member of this program
> puts you in direct contact with Apple's Engenneering team. they do not
> email you, but have the best chance of the bugs getting fixt  I was
> speaking to apple accessibility phone tech support, and they informed
> me that currently about five percent of VoiceOver users are beta
> testers. I urge all to join this program and only then, with multiple
> users reporting the same bugs, will are voices be herd. time and time
> again, I see on AppleVis and on several email lists, people
> complaining about the bug they experience and doing nothing. the only
> to rectify all of these complaints, is for everybody to join the apple
> beta software program and report what bugs they find , reporting these
> affore menchined bugs to Apple is invabuable. . happy beta testing
> everybody,
> Daniel Angus MacDonald
>
>
> On 9/23/20, James Lockwood  wrote:
>> good afternoon. This is a long message but I urge you to read it all if
>> you
>> use voiceover. I have attempted to make a comprehensive list of all the
>> errors I have noticed that far. Please comment and let me know if you can
>> repeat any or all of these errors and if so, which ones. Also let me know
>> how to contact Apple voiceover support to report these problems.   I am
>> having several problems with voiceover and iOS 14. I have tried to make a
>> comprehensive list because these problems just started today or yesterday.
>> I
>> bought my iPhone 11 promax on September 8. I updated four or five days
>> ago
>> whenever the update was available. For some reason either I didn’t
>> notice,
>> or the problems were not occurring for the first few days. Can anyone
>> else
>> reproduce any or all of these issues?
>>
>> Reaching down to the right corner to hit the dictate button sometimes
>> just
>> holding my finger on the screen makes the iPhone click endlessly as if I
>> am
>> scrolling through thousands of pages
>> This endless clicking when you hold your finger down on the screen also
>> occurs randomly and other apps when you simply put a finger on the screen
>> and don’t move it. It sounds like you’re moving it as fast as humanly
>> possible clicking thousands of times but going nowhere
>>
>>
>> The other day My iPhone completely became unresponsive in part. I could
>> flip
>> back-and-forth open up folders but could not open any app. double
>> clicking
>> did nothing. Siri would not do anything.  Asking her to do anything at
>> all
>> resulted in her stating the obvious, there’s a problem. Holding down the
>> power button and volume did not bring up slide slide to shut down I had
>> to
>> do a hard reset. For iPhones that do not have a home button, the way you
>> do
>> this is quickly pressing volume up, volume down, then holding the side
>> power
>> button until your phone shows the Apple logo
>>
>> Opening up the mail app focus get stuck on the search box in the search
>> button continuously flicking right does not change the focus to the list
>> of
>> folders or list of male messages. The same thing happens when opening up
>> the
>> message application. Focus get stuck on the search box. The only way to
>> get
>> out of this is to tap somewhere else on the screen there by manually
>> changing the focus to the list of text messages or list of emails or
>> whatever
>>
>> Opening up settings accessibility voiceover audio and haptics none of the
>> customizations for different functions, that is determining for each type
>> of
>> activity whether you want vibrate and or sound to occur, none of those
>> customizations have any effect. Sound and vibrations are always played
>>
>> Occasionally when I go to the app switcher, the app switcher opens but
>> the
>> phone continues to read the home screen as if the app switcher never came
>> up
>>
>>
>>  when the focus is on the enter button on the keyboard it used to be that
>> flicking right once took you to the dictate button. Now, it sometimes
>> clicks
>> twice as if it is skipping and does not always read the full word,
>> dictate.
>> It interrupts itself like it struggling
>>
>> If you try to merge a call to do a three-way conversation, hitting add
>> call
>> takes you to the contact list so you can decide who else to add to the
>> 

Having trouble looking at videos on Facebook

[Jen .]

Hi I have an iPhone 8 running ios 14.
Lately on Facebook I am not able to watch videos that friends post so wondering 
if anyone knows a way to turn off settings or change something so I would be 
able to do this.
Jen

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Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Richard Turner]

Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to reply 
to an email since iOS 14?
It is not working.
I've tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
Command+n for new works fine.
But command+r for reply does nothing.
I'm reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on the 
beta to them.
Please do likewise if you can confirm.



Richard
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himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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RE: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Richard Turner]

Write the developer.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:39 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo recordings 
since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what I’d like to see 
is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the recording, allow to 
pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you wanted to pause the 
recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a bother to have to put 
both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you flick over to the Pause 
Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as natural as if via a 
double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who prefer it to behave as 
usual?

Gera
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Re: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Dan Yates]

Is this app audio only? Wondering if it’s better than voice memo?

Danney
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> 
> Did you bring that up to the developers of the app?
> Devin Prater
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>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo 
>> recordings since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what I’d 
>> like to see is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the 
>> recording, allow to pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you 
>> wanted to pause the recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a 
>> bother to have to put both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you flick 
>> over to the Pause Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as natural 
>> as if via a double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who prefer it to 
>> behave as usual?
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Devin Prater]

Did you bring that up to the developers of the app?
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

> With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo
> recordings since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what
> I’d like to see is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the
> recording, allow to pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you
> wanted to pause the recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a
> bother to have to put both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you
> flick over to the Pause Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as
> natural as if via a double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who
> prefer it to behave as usual?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Gerardo Corripio]

With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo recordings 
since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what I’d like to see 
is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the recording, allow to 
pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you wanted to pause the 
recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a bother to have to put 
both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you flick over to the Pause 
Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as natural as if via a 
double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who prefer it to behave as 
usual?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Cook, Steve]

Also, VoiceOver Clock

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 7:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

Check out chime by black tree,
Here is the link
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chime/id414830146



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 23, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Casey 
mailto:cwoll...@wi.rr.com>> wrote:
hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.

That will speak or chime the time on the hour?

That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?

If so can you please share what it is.

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Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question

[Richard Turner]

It is the same. Keep repeating the command and it cycles you through all the 
input options.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 24, 2020, at 12:02 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Once you’ve dialled tge number, what is the Braille command to swap back to 6 
dot Braille?
Thanks
Harry

On 23 Sep 2020, at 23:20, Duane Steele  wrote:

It worked! Only after thinking about it did I see your Response, Richard, 
which was exactly what I was thinking. I was able to dial a number using my 
BrailleEdge. That's good to know if you're having to input extension numbers, 
Iwd imagine. May have to try that.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Sep 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:

I haven't tried this yet, but I will. What if you put your output and input 
braille to 8-dot mode and that puts numbers in lower case, like in Nemith code 
arithmetic. I have a BrailleEdge and was wondering the same thing. It sure 
would be great if we could do that kind of dialing with our braille devices. 
When I've tried it, I'll let you know if it works, unless, of course, someone 
else tries it first. Good luck to all of us braille users.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Well, for me, doing the number sign didn’t work.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question

Richard,
thanks for this.  One thing though, why do you need eight dots?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Ask for what you want. Believe that you deserve it, and then allow Life to give 
it to you.

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- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question

Yes, open phone, select keypad, press space+dot2,3,6 to change input to 8 dot, 
then use the dropped numbers.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 23, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is more or less on topic.  What I want to know is, can you dial the iPhone 
with the orbit writer?  For example, on a Bluetooth key board you can use the 
numbers when in a call to dial a number or enter number sequences when in a 
call.  Is there any way to do this with the Orbit writer?  I suspect the answer 
is know, but it would be a hoot if you could enter number sign 4 to get a four 
touch tone.  Does anyone know?  Thanks much in advance.

Kay Malmquist
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Last-pass.

[Jenny Bomareto]

Hi all,

I figured out how to say for example looking alll the information for amazon.  
I feeel pretty proud of myself.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

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Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Once you’ve dialled tge number, what is the Braille command to swap back to 6 
dot Braille?
Thanks
Harry

> On 23 Sep 2020, at 23:20, Duane Steele  wrote:
> 
> It worked! Only after thinking about it did I see your Response, Richard, 
> which was exactly what I was thinking. I was able to dial a number using my 
> BrailleEdge. That's good to know if you're having to input extension numbers, 
> Iwd imagine. May have to try that.
>  
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Duane Steele  wrote:
>>> 
>> I haven't tried this yet, but I will. What if you put your output and input 
>> braille to 8-dot mode and that puts numbers in lower case, like in Nemith 
>> code arithmetic. I have a BrailleEdge and was wondering the same thing. It 
>> sure would be great if we could do that kind of dialing with our braille 
>> devices. When I've tried it, I'll let you know if it works, unless, of 
>> course, someone else tries it first. Good luck to all of us braille users.
>> 
>> 
>> Peace & Blessings,
>> Pastor Duane L. Steele
>> Phone (276) 730-5194
>> 
 On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Well, for me, doing the number sign didn’t work.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
>>> Malmquist
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:03 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question
>>>  
>>> Richard,
>>> thanks for this.  One thing though, why do you need eight dots?
>>> 
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>> Ask for what you want. Believe that you deserve it, and then allow Life to 
>>> give it to you.
>>>  
>>> — Louise Hay
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: an iPhone, Orbit writer question
>>>  
>>> Yes, open phone, select keypad, press space+dot2,3,6 to change input to 8 
>>> dot, then use the dropped numbers.
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is more or less on topic.  What I want to know is, can you dial the 
>>> iPhone with the orbit writer?  For example, on a Bluetooth key board you 
>>> can use the numbers when in a call to dial a number or enter number 
>>> sequences when in a call.  Is there any way to do this with the Orbit 
>>> writer?  I suspect the answer is know, but it would be a hoot if you could 
>>> enter number sign 4 to get a four touch tone.  Does anyone know?  Thanks 
>>> much in advance.
>>> 
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>> Ask for what you want. Believe that you deserve it, and then allow Life to 
>>> give it to you.
>>>  
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