Re: More obsessing over Airpods Max

[Richard Turner]

People, like myself, having a little difficulty with a new piece of equipment, 
does not make it buggy. Once I figured it out, it has worked flawlessly both 
with my Windows computer and my iPhone.
They are only over priced if you one: cannot aford them, and two: have not 
heard them.




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On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:06 PM, marco.c...@gmail.com wrote:


Overpriced and buggy, sums it up pretty well in my opinion.

I’ll stick with my not so expensive and far superior Sennheiser HD660s.

Marco

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Bonnie
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Subject: RE: More obsessing over Airpods Max

I liked the recording Richard. It definitely sounds much clearer when you are 
using the airpods microphone.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:34 PM
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Subject: More obsessing over Airpods Max

I put up a kind of dumb, but hopefully helpful, short sample recording to help 
folks hear what the Airpods Max sound like if you are on a call or recording.
www.turner42.com/JPR.mp3



Richard

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RE: More obsessing over Airpods Max

[marco.curr]

Overpriced and buggy, sums it up pretty well in my opinion.

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I’ll stick with my not so expensive and far superior Sennheiser HD660s.

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Marco

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I liked the recording Richard. It definitely sounds much clearer when you are 
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I put up a kind of dumb, but hopefully helpful, short sample recording to help 
folks hear what the Airpods Max sound like if you are on a call or recording.

www.turner42.com/JPR.mp3  

  

  

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Texas has a Georgetown 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ok, confusion question,
> 
> George town,
> I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the 
> usA,
> 
> Or is there another George town?
> 
> Like springfield 
> Which I believe there is one in every state!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
> probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
> Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found 
> something from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to 
> me to ask if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square 
> that day and I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
> Baracco
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

If you were worried about them getting wet, they'd be no good here in my city,
We have in some cases four seasons in one day,
And that doesn't always include sun!


-Original Message-
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Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 5:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours regarding Siri

[Simon A Fogarty]

Including yourself snoring!

I’m thinking sleeping on your side might get uncomfortable unless you don’t 
move and your pillow has a hole for the headphones ear piece to sit in.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:01 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours regarding Siri

First on the recording, that was not "dictation" that was simply recording with 
Just Press Record.
As for sleeping with the AirPods max, if you are a person who sleeps on your 
back I could see them being very easy to wear at night just remember you will 
not hear anything in the room if you have noise cancellation on, which sounds 
like just what you need.


Richard
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On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Lynda Ingraham 
mailto:lynda.ingra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Richard thank you very much for the demonstration. When the dictation 
switched over to your SE, it was very eye-opening as to why Siri had such a 
difficult time transcribing our dictated messages properly. What a difference 
the AirPod max mix. Hopefully, Apple will fix the 17 second switch over. I 
would be willing to use The AirPod simply to improve the accuracy of dictation.

Would you say they might be comfortable to sleep with? I have two other people 
actually a person in a dog in my bedroom that snore. I generally sleep with my 
noise canceling headphones on. But always looking for something a little bit 
more comfortable than what I have. I have not found the Bose to be very 
comfortable. My beats are absolutely terrible to sleep on.

Thank you very much. Hope you’re enjoying retirement.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

HI Jennie,

Interesting.
It is not consistent.
Sometimes I get the static for a little while, but mostly I don’t.
It could be a processing issue?
I’m not sure.
But, as I use them more, I will pay attention and write something up and send 
it to Apple.

Later,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 5:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours regarding Siri

Hi all,

When I say hey Siri and then instruct her to play some music, she does but it 
becomes staticky for just a few seconds. It then goes back to normal after that 
few seconds. Do you Richard or anyone else with these headphones have any of 
the same issues?

Thanks,

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi



On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Good news.
For those who have not read earlier message, my new, fabulous, Airpods Max 
developed an issue where sound was coming in the right ear microphones even 
when Noise Cancelation was on.

I called Apple support and the first thing the man had me do was to reset the 
headphones.  You reset them by holding down both the digital crown and the 
noise cancelation button for several seconds.  If you have them connected to 
the phone when you do this you will know they have begun the reset because they 
will disconnect.
Then, poof, they are reconnected and the problem is gone!

That is all it took.
Now, with noise cancelation on, nothing is coming over the microphones from the 
outside world.
Very nice indeed.




Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours

Hi Richard,
I’d be interested to hear what you find out. I’ve wondered about my pair, as it 
was not as seamless to connect 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't know if there's a Georgetown in every state, but there are at least a 
few of them. I live in Georgetown, Texas, which is just north of Austin. We're 
in the running for nicest town square in the country every few years. I'm lucky 
enough to live in Old Town which is just a few blocks from the square. It's 
nice because we can walk to so many things on and around the square. There's 
been many a weekend where we get out to restaurants and shopping and never have 
to get in a car or even public transportation. When I walk to the square I 
usually bring my iPhone, Bose Frames, Airpod Pros and Orbit Writer. I'll use 
the Bose Frames while walking around to get directions and points of interest 
from my GPS. Once I end up somewhere, I'll usually switch to the Airpods to 
take advantage of their noise cancellation and the Orbit Writer to check in on 
Facebook and Swarm.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Ok, confusion question,

George town,
I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the usA,

Or is there another George town?

Like springfield 
Which I believe there is one in every state!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, confusion question,

George town,
I thought that was part of Washington Dc and had a major university of the usA,

Or is there another George town?

Like springfield 
Which I believe there is one in every state!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:32 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
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Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

I don’t wear the airpods or airpods pro I have but I do wear my bose frames 
while walking around,

In most cases we have controlled crossings / intersections,

However once away from those such as in my part of town we have the take your 
life in your own hands method,

However in saying that,
Without any headphones or media playin at the time,
And on a controlled intersection,
I still got hit by a tour bus full of American cruise ship tourists,

May be things would be better if I did have the headphones on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

>

> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah true,
But what don’t' apple put their tag on these days,

  But as you say,
 Who else would make something so seamless,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 1:17 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi Simon,
You know what they say when you assume, right?

I just had my sighted wife examine them carefully and there is no Apple logo 
anywhere.

But, as she pointed out, no one makes headphones like these other than Apple.

Later,


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Your freezing and our freezing are two very different freezings,

Your’s being a lot colder than ours,

The highest hill / mount around my town is about 600 meters,
And that’s probably a bit high,
And we only get snow on average on the outer subburbs and then only a matter of 
4 inchs if we are lucky,

To get snow in town is very very unusual  and thatt’s within meters of sea 
level on average,

our ski fields sometimes struggle to get enough snow to open
so they use artifiscial means tofreeze the ground and they are up in the 1000 / 
2000 meter range in hight

I just thought,
I wouldn’t want to drop an airpod pro or series 2 etc in to a bed of snow,
That could be one hell of a search,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 1:23 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more snow, 
but again that is very rare.
We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
down to freezing.

And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.

The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.

I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.

Later,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Waw, that surprises me,

Apple normally have the logo on all of their products some where.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 2:11 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

They don’t have any logo. That’s the beauty. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Will think about that option.  I’m thinking a piece of string that would be 
wadded up inside the the top of the charging case. Hate going back to no 
physical volume control. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just a note,
> There are a product you can get that is a silicon strap like a shoe lace 
> almost that has little socket like things at the ends that you can put the 
> airpods in to or the stems of the airpods and they hold them around if you 
> have them fall out of your ears,
> 
> The only real issue is that you have to take the pods out of them to put them 
> back in to the charging case.
> 
> But they cost a few bucks from amazon and come in multiple colours
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan 
> Yates
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:31 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
> not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly 
> but anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter 
>> would have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I 
>> think Apple did a great job with this I see people walking around with 
>> bows, Sony, or beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these 
>> things are just plain space gray
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>>> would know what they are.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
 
 I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
 safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Pete Nalda
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
 wearing in public when active outside
 
 That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
 Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. 
> from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
> in public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

They don’t have any logo. That’s the beauty. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

At least they won’t fall out when working like AirPod Pro’s would. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
> is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
> The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more 
> snow, but again that is very rare.
> We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
> down to freezing.
>  
> And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.
>  
> The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
> Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
> probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.
>  
> I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
> and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Richard,
>  
> In your state,
> Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter 
> months?
>  
> So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
> during these times,
>  
> Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
> I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
> Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.
>  
> Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature 
> range for these bad boys?
> You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
> would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
> would defeat the transparency mode….
>  
> Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
> in that case anyway.
>  
> Enjoy,
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
> want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as 
> far as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
> girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
> mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
> Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
> that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
> content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX 
> feature. But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for 
> the afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky 
> about Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty 
> options I would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise 
> canceling. But I might consider going back to just using the pros to run 
> around with. I can always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to 
> encounter weather, although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So 
> for me, it boils down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, 
> and content play back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who 
> chooses to live on the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said 
> I’m enjoying the conversation
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
>  
> 
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 
> Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
> these on.
> But, what about bicycles?
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

In my part of the state, we had about 8 to 10 inches of snow this year, which 
is highly unusual.  I think the cities main elevation  is around 150 feet.
The hills around here can get up to 1000 or 1200 feet and get a bit more snow, 
but again that is very rare.
We have gone several years with no snow and only a handful of nights that got 
down to freezing.

And, I am not one to wear headphones outside anyway.

The number of days that stay at or below even 35° are very few.
Summers, we rarely get to 100.  So, in reality, around Portland, they are 
probably going to survive the elements if one wanted to walk around with them.

I plan to use them on our back patio when the weather is comfortable and dry 
and I don’t have to be digging up weeds or pruning roses, etc.

Later,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

Hi Simon,
You know what they say when you assume, right?

I just had my sighted wife examine them carefully and there is no Apple logo 
anywhere.

But, as she pointed out, no one makes headphones like these other than Apple.

Later,


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard,

In your state,
Don’t you get feet thick drifts of snow and freezing temps during winter months?

So I’d be guessing the airpods max wouldn’t’ do well if uncovered and outside 
during these times,

Min dyou the other end of the scale probably stands aw well,
I’d be interested to know how they do for the winter months.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 6:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

I'd assume that they hae the apple symbol on them somewhere,



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Christopher,

That’s the issue,

It isn’t you that is likely to be stupid and make a mistake
But the drivers of the vehicles that we have to be concerned about.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I think I’d mostly encounter electric cars and bicycles at intersections, where 
I’m going to be more vigilant anyway, but I’m not stupid, and if I thought my 
ability to react to what was going on around me would be compromised by wearing 
Airpods then I wouldn’t be wearing them. I do have Aftershokz, which I find are 
plenty good enough with respect to fidelity, and Bose Frames if I want 
something with better fidelity or more style, and which are my go to devices 
when I’m out and about anyway. I do keep my Airpod Pros with me when I’m out, 
even if I grab my Bose Frames. Because they’re so portable and give me options 
like noise cancellation when I’m in a noisy restaurant. I’d have plenty of 
situations to use my Airpods with transparency mode turned out though where I’d 
feel perfectly safe though. This doesn’t mean I’m ignoring my situational 
awareness or telling others that it’s OK to wear Airpods under all 
circumstances! 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
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On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

Just a note,
There are a product you can get that is a silicon strap like a shoe lace almost 
that has little socket like things at the ends that you can put the airpods in 
to or the stems of the airpods and they hold them around if you have them fall 
out of your ears,

The only real issue is that you have to take the pods out of them to put them 
back in to the charging case.

But they cost a few bucks from amazon and come in multiple colours 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly but 
anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter 
> would have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I 
> think Apple did a great job with this I see people walking around with 
> bows, Sony, or beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these 
> things are just plain space gray
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>> 
>> --
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>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>> would know what they are.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
 
 I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
 
 
 
 Love in Christ
 Marty
 The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
 -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
 wearing in public when active outside
 
 Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
 walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
 real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
 Mich.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Pete Nalda
 Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
 in public when active outside
 
 Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
 brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
 fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
 is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
 without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
 compliance kind of person.
 
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 Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: RE AirPods Max

[Simon A Fogarty]

I can’t see how they could do that,

Mine don’t fit in to my ears upside down

So I’m guessing if people do this that their ears must be either oddly shaped 
or the feeling is lesser in the ear socket.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rizzino, 
Bonnie
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:53 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE AirPods Max

I hear that a lot of people walk around with the original AirPods and AirPods 
pro with them turned upside down so that the pointed part is up in the air. 
This is supposedly to help them to fit more securely in the ear. I never had a 
problem with them falling out, but my husband does. Even the ear tips on the 
pros fall out for him! Must have big ears.

Bonnie Rizzino
Case Manager
Blind and Vision Rehabilitation Services of Pittsburgh
1816 Locust St.
Pittsburgh, PA 15219
www.bvrspittsburgh.org
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Re: bathroom scale that connects to iPhone

[Pete Nalda]

I’m going to have to get me one of these!

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Did you spell it correctly?  It’s qardio with a q, not the usual way of 
> spelling cardio..
> 
> I have the qardio base 2 and love it.  The app works well with vo.  It 
> easures weight, body fat, bmi, and muscle and bone massl.  You can also set 
> goals with it.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know a while back I saw some discussion of bathroom scales that are
>> iOS/VoiceOver friendly.
>> 
>> I thought thte recommended scale was by qardio, but I am not seeing it
>> on amazon.
>> 
>> Has anyone tried the RENPHO Body Fat Scale?  Is the iOS app accessible?
>> 
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Re: bathroom scale that connects to iPhone

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I’m going to have to order one of these!

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> qardio

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Re: bathroom scale that connects to iPhone

[Caitlyn Furness]

Did you spell it correctly?  It’s qardio with a q, not the usual way of 
spelling cardio..

I have the qardio base 2 and love it.  The app works well with vo.  It easures 
weight, body fat, bmi, and muscle and bone massl.  You can also set goals with 
it.

Caitlyn


> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know a while back I saw some discussion of bathroom scales that are
> iOS/VoiceOver friendly.
> 
> I thought thte recommended scale was by qardio, but I am not seeing it
> on amazon.
> 
> Has anyone tried the RENPHO Body Fat Scale?  Is the iOS app accessible?
> 
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> Donald Raikes
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Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense

[Shane Lowe]

Got it, will do!

On 3/29/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Make it show up on the import screen as one of the default choices like
> iCloud and OneDrive are now.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane
> Lowe
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense
>
> Hi all,
> This seems to be an unnecessarily complicated means of importing files from
> Dropbox into Supersense. If we could make the process simpler and easier,
> how would you like it to look?
>
>
> On 3/27/21, 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> Supersense developers and apple.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> I agree that Supersense saying each Dropbox folder is in iCloud makes
>>> absolutely no sense but it does that for me too. I'm not sure who to
>>> report such a Voiceover anomaly to.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 1:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to
>>> Supersense
>>>
>>> So, does it make sense that after getting Dropbox turned on in
>>> SuperSense, (Thanks Malcolm) that when I open dropbox from
>>> supersense's dropbox option that each dropbox folder says "in iCloud?"
>>> Confusedly yours,
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> "Living by answers is a form of death. It’s only questions that keep
>>> you living." -From, The Cross of Lead by Avi, chapter 24- "I've often
>>> been asked, 'What do you old folks do now that you're retired?'
>>> Well ... I'm fortunate to have a chemical engineering background and
>>> one of the things I enjoy most is converting beer, wine and vodka into
>>> urine.
>>> I do it every day and I really enjoy it."  -- Author unknown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Malcolm. I think I must have used your method at least once
>>> but with my aging brain, my memory seems to forget a lot more than it
>>> retains.
>>> When I followed your steps and selected the Import PDF option, the
>>> browse screen which opened was already on iCloud drive. All I had to
>>> do was go back one screen and Dropbox was available there as I swiped
>>> right. This should save a good bit of time when I do this in the future.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 11:49 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to
>>> Supersense
>>>
>>> This is how I got Supersense to import a pdf stored on my Dropbox.
>>>
>>> Launch Supersense and choose Import Image or PDF.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now select import pdf.
>>>
>>> You will have a browser window open like Apple’s Files App.
>>>
>>> Locate the More button and double-tap this.
>>>
>>> You should have a list of available options that you can enable.disable.
>>>
>>> One of these should be Dropbox and by default on my iPhone it was not
>>> enabled.  After you reach Dropbox, swipe right and it should say off
>>> on yours too.  You can double tap here to turn it on.
>>>
>>> Select Done and Dropbox should have been added to your import from list.
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 Mar 2021, at 16:30, Richard Turner
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> That is a great issue you have found with SuperSense.  It has lots of
>>> apps you can import from, some that make no sense at all, but no
>>> Dropbox.
>>> First, write to them through the app and request Dropbox access.
>>>
>>> They default to iCloud, though OneDrive is another possibility.
>>>
>>> Have you tried triple tapping on the file in DropBox and select share
>>> and if needed whatever it says for more than what is listed and see
>>> if supersense is in there?
>>>
>>> Let us know if you get it to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site,
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cd109bcacf5ac42e372f008d8f2cf5dc7
>>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637526319732294817%7CUn
>>> known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
>>> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DiYoTE2WuCchAlPaqGksEKcBgmY7TTtmGA
>>> jgr7MI1V8%3Dreserved=0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:49 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
>>> Subject: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox 

Re: For Shane and other SuperSense users

[Shane Lowe]

Hi Richard,
This makes perfect sense. :) I'll forward this to our developers now.


On 3/29/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I'm truly wishing we had an option to have it not start already scanning.
> I personally would rather launch the app, then choose which feature I want
> to use before it starts scanning the world.
>
> Especially if it is going to tell me there is a $10 bill laying around,
> grin.
> But seriously, I have to stop it and then choose the feature I want.
> My absolute preference would be that it opens up to the list of features and
> when you select the one you want, it starts scanning.
> If this was a choice, then those who want it to start scanning immediately
> could make that choice and those of us who want to pick the feature and then
> have it scan could make that choice.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>
>
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

AirPod Max is a whole different beast, then AirPod pro. You can’t lose one side

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, 
> I’m not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit 
> properly but anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would 
>> have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple 
>> did a great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or 
>> beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just 
>> plain space gray
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>>> Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>>> public when active outside
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>>> would know what they are.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
 
 I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
 safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
 
 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Pete Nalda
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
 wearing in public when active outside
 
 That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
 
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 Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. 
> from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
> in public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
> compliance kind of person.
> 
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RE AirPods Max

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

I hear that a lot of people walk around with the original AirPods and AirPods 
pro with them turned upside down so that the pointed part is up in the air. 
This is supposedly to help them to fit more securely in the ear. I never had a 
problem with them falling out, but my husband does. Even the ear tips on the 
pros fall out for him! Must have big ears.

Bonnie Rizzino
Case Manager
Blind and Vision Rehabilitation Services of Pittsburgh
1816 Locust St.
Pittsburgh, PA 15219
www.bvrspittsburgh.org
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Loved your measurement oriented description, I’m not good at that. I’ve never 
actually weighed them  but see my comment about being heavy enough to use as a 
weapon. I also advise on going and trying them out! I was hooked just by 
reading reviews. Little did I know I’d get so spoiled!  “Each to his own”, said 
the old man before he kissed the cow  浪

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I Pam,
> Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
> times as large, grin.
> They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
> inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
> ears.
> I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on 
> them...
> 
> The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
> inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
> is about 3/4 inches thick.
> The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a 
> nice mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so 
> they do not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
> surprisingly heavy. 
> The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
> you set it at quite well.
> You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I 
> hope that helps.
> 
> If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
> them out.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, 
> but can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older 
> airpods?  Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about 
> replacing mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thank you, Richard.  Very nicely described.  Since I hadn't looked into them at 
all, I had no idea they were so different.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I Pam,
Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
times as large, grin.
They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
ears.
I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on them...

The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
is about 3/4 inches thick.
The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a nice 
mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so they do 
not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
surprisingly heavy. 
The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
you set it at quite well.
You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I hope 
that helps.

If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
them out.

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Dan Yates]

I got my AirPod pros last fall and considering the chunk of money I paid, I’m 
not about to go outdoors and walkabout with these things. They fit properly but 
anything can happen and I don’t want to risk losing one or both.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would 
> have to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple 
> did a great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or 
> beats, and the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just plain 
> space gray
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
>> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
>> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
>> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
>> would know what they are.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
 
 I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
 
 
 
 Love in Christ
 Marty
 The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
 -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
 wearing in public when active outside
 
 Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
 walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
 real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
 Mich.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
 Of Pete Nalda
 Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
 in public when active outside
 
 Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
 brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
 fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
 is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
 without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
 compliance kind of person.
 
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 Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

I Pam,
Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
times as large, grin.
They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
ears.
I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on them...

The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
is about 3/4 inches thick.
The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a nice 
mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so they do 
not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
surprisingly heavy. 
The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
you set it at quite well.
You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I hope 
that helps.

If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
them out.

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

There is also no product logo to speak of, so I think the assaulter would have 
to be well-connected to even know what they are! In fact I think Apple did a 
great job with this I see people walking around with bows, Sony, or beats, and 
the product name is visibly noticeable these things are just plain space gray

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize 
> that, probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried 
> about white Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how 
> much more safe I'd feel just because they were black.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Oh yes quite a bit larger, and yes they do cover your ears but they are very 
gentle about it, not muffling the sound much at all. They are also quite heavy, 
but you never know it because they are so comfortable. I don’t think it would 
be very good for them, but in a confrontational situation, I think you could 
snatch them off and use them as a weapon and knock somebody in the back of the 
head with them. I’ll kidding aside, they are quite a different beast then the 
other AirPods

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, 
> but can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older 
> airpods?  Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about 
> replacing mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
>> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
>> Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>>> public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Yup!

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> So, are you saying in your signature, "Good Day mates," in Basque?
> 
> Nice,
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
> would know what they are.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
>> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Pete Nalda
>>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>>> in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
>>> brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
>>> fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
>>> is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>>> compliance kind of person.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

Ah, because most people think Apple products are white? I didn't realize that, 
probably because I got a black iPhone 11. I guess if I were worried about white 
Airpods being swiped off the top of my head, I'm not sure how much more safe 
I'd feel just because they were black.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

Pete,
So, are you saying in your signature, "Good Day mates," in Basque?

Nice,

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

I find, that with the AirPod max, you can get more bass, even at a lower 
volume, than you ever could with the AirPod pros, those really lose bass at 
lower volumes

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Lucky for me, I have ears shaped in such a way that once I get the right tip 
> on the Airpod Pros, there's no anger of them popping out. I find the sound 
> quality on my Airpod Pros to be pretty impressive, but I am intrigued by 
> these comments on how much better the Maxes sound.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
> mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
> reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
>> street with them on.
>> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
>> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no 
>> true depth persception.
>> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
>> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
>> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
>> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>> 
>> 
>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
>> shouldn’t do that!”  
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked 
>>> before even asking a simple question.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>>> or black sabith at the time.
>>> 
>>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>>> close to the end of the road,
>>> 
>>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>>> regard to traffic and people.
>>> 
>>> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
>>> audio off.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Mich Verrier
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about
>>> wearing in public when active outside
>>> 
>>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile 
>>> walking around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the 
>>> real world since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from 
>>> Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think I’d mostly encounter electric cars and bicycles at intersections, where 
I’m going to be more vigilant anyway, but I’m not stupid, and if I thought my 
ability to react to what was going on around me would be compromised by wearing 
Airpods then I wouldn’t be wearing them. I do have Aftershokz, which I find are 
plenty good enough with respect to fidelity, and Bose Frames if I want 
something with better fidelity or more style, and which are my go to devices 
when I’m out and about anyway. I do keep my Airpod Pros with me when I’m out, 
even if I grab my Bose Frames. Because they’re so portable and give me options 
like noise cancellation when I’m in a noisy restaurant. I’d have plenty of 
situations to use my Airpods with transparency mode turned out though where I’d 
feel perfectly safe though. This doesn’t mean I’m ignoring my situational 
awareness or telling others that it’s OK to wear Airpods under all 
circumstances! 


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



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realize that you are in a hurry.





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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
>> 
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Again, my post about controlling instant playback stopping or volume dropping. 
And no electric cars on sidewalks, and again my girth can wipeout a scooter. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And electric cars?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 
> Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
> these on.
> But, what about bicycles?
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere 
> if they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin 
> there are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside 
> and absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind 
> of hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain
>  
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> >
> > I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of 
> > someone trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are 
> > water resistant.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> > Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in
> > public when active outside
> >
> >
> > Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> > brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> > fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> > is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
> > without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
> > compliance kind of person.
> >
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Re: bathroom scale that connects to iPhone

[Traci Duncan]

A couple years ago, we bought the Arboleaf scale. The iPhone app works well 
with Voiceover. This scale measures weight, body fat, BMI, water, muscle mass, 
medibolic age, and BMR.

Traci


> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know a while back I saw some discussion of bathroom scales that are
> iOS/VoiceOver friendly.
> 
> I thought thte recommended scale was by qardio, but I am not seeing it
> on amazon.
> 
> Has anyone tried the RENPHO Body Fat Scale?  Is the iOS app accessible?
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

One old curmudgeon to another, I get it completely.
Living in Oregon, I would never even think of it outside of my own yard.

Now, as for keeping your ears warm, have you checked the safe temperature range 
for these bad boys?
You are probably OK in Austin, but someone in the north, or in Canada, etc., 
would probably damage them unless they had a good hood on, which of course 
would defeat the transparency mode….

Since you have a dog guide, you are much safer than those of us who use canes 
in that case anyway.

Enjoy,
Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation
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Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com







-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda

Twitter: @lpnalda



> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Well, it looks like I’m probably the only one stubborn enough To even try to 
want to wear them about, but Austin does have dedicated bike lines, and as far 
as somebody write down the sidewalk and hit me I’ll guarantee you with my 
girth, that little bicycle is going to go down! Another thing I wanted to 
mention about why am so hell bent crazy over wearing the Max around over the 
Pro’s, is battery life. Being like 5 times longer!  Another luxurious feature 
that you have is instant control over content volume, and for that matter, 
content play back, no Siri or pinching needed! So to me it’s also a UX feature. 
But I’m glad that this has brought such  a vital  discussion! As for the 
afterShox, or bone conduction, no way for me, as I am just too picky about 
Fidelity, even with voices, and phone calls! And the other sporty options I 
would not pursue it unless they had both transparency and noise canceling. But 
I might consider going back to just using the pros to run around with. I can 
always leave the big boys at home, if I think I’m going to encounter weather, 
although, when it was cold, they did keep my ears warm! So for me, it boils 
down to the convenience of having direct control of volume, and content play 
back.In other words I guess I’m just an old curmudgeon who chooses to live on 
the edge for his own comfort and convenience. Like I said I’m enjoying the 
conversation

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 
> Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
> these on.
> But, what about bicycles?
>  
> Later,
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
>  
> My web site, www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere 
> if they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin 
> there are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside 
> and absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
>  
> Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind 
> of hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain
>  
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
>  
> > On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> >
> > I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of 
> > someone trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are 
> > water resistant.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> > Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in
> > public when active outside
> >
> >
> > Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here 
> > brave enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering 
> > fodder for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone 
> > is listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
> > without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
> > compliance kind of person.
> >
> > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

And electric cars?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



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realize that you are in a hurry.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

>

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or less 
likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

That’s why I got the space grey ones. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

Lucky for me, I have ears shaped in such a way that once I get the right tip on 
the Airpod Pros, there's no anger of them popping out. I find the sound quality 
on my Airpod Pros to be pretty impressive, but I am intrigued by these comments 
on how much better the Maxes sound.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
> street with them on.
> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
> depth persception.
> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
> shouldn’t do that!”  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
>> even asking a simple question.
>> 
>> --
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>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>> or black sabith at the time.
>> 
>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>> close to the end of the road,
>> 
>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>> regard to traffic and people.
>> 
>> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
>> audio off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the 

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

Great, so you will be dry when you get run over; how nice, 

Just kidding, I know you folks are smarter than to try crossing a street with 
these on.

But, what about bicycles?



Later,





Richard



Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.





My web site, www.turner42.com







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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain



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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco 
> mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

>

> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.

>

> Andy

>

> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>>

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM

> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in

> public when active outside

>

>

> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.

>

> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda

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bathroom scale that connects to iPhone

[Donald Raikes]

Hi,

I know a while back I saw some discussion of bathroom scales that are
iOS/VoiceOver friendly.

I thought thte recommended scale was by qardio, but I am not seeing it
on amazon.

Has anyone tried the RENPHO Body Fat Scale?  Is the iOS app accessible?

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree, if you're worried about people stealing them from you then you 
probably shouldn't be wearing them outside, but here in my little town of 
Georgetown, I definitely don't have that fear. In fact, someone found something 
from Bose on the downtown square, and several people reached out to me to ask 
if I had lost my Bose Frames, since they knew I was on the square that day and 
I had my Bose Frames with me. BTW, I had not lost my Bose Frames!

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I'd definitely not encourage anyone to take these head phones anywhere if 
they're worried about them getting wet, but as Pete says here in Austin there 
are plenty of days every year where you can safely take these outside and 
absolutely not worry about them getting rained on.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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For Shane and other SuperSense users

[Richard Turner]

I'm truly wishing we had an option to have it not start already scanning.
I personally would rather launch the app, then choose which feature I want to 
use before it starts scanning the world.

Especially if it is going to tell me there is a $10 bill laying around, grin.
But seriously, I have to stop it and then choose the feature I want.
My absolute preference would be that it opens up to the list of features and 
when you select the one you want, it starts scanning.
If this was a choice, then those who want it to start scanning immediately 
could make that choice and those of us who want to pick the feature and then 
have it scan could make that choice.
Thanks,



Richard

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RE: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense

[Richard Turner]

Make it show up on the import screen as one of the default choices like iCloud 
and OneDrive are now.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense

Hi all,
This seems to be an unnecessarily complicated means of importing files from 
Dropbox into Supersense. If we could make the process simpler and easier, how 
would you like it to look?


On 3/27/21, 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Supersense developers and apple.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Richard,
>>
>> I agree that Supersense saying each Dropbox folder is in iCloud makes 
>> absolutely no sense but it does that for me too. I'm not sure who to 
>> report such a Voiceover anomaly to.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 1:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to 
>> Supersense
>>
>> So, does it make sense that after getting Dropbox turned on in 
>> SuperSense, (Thanks Malcolm) that when I open dropbox from 
>> supersense's dropbox option that each dropbox folder says "in iCloud?"
>> Confusedly yours,
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> "Living by answers is a form of death. It’s only questions that keep 
>> you living." -From, The Cross of Lead by Avi, chapter 24- "I've often 
>> been asked, 'What do you old folks do now that you're retired?'
>> Well ... I'm fortunate to have a chemical engineering background and 
>> one of the things I enjoy most is converting beer, wine and vodka into urine.
>> I do it every day and I really enjoy it."  -- Author unknown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks, Malcolm. I think I must have used your method at least once 
>> but with my aging brain, my memory seems to forget a lot more than it 
>> retains.
>> When I followed your steps and selected the Import PDF option, the 
>> browse screen which opened was already on iCloud drive. All I had to 
>> do was go back one screen and Dropbox was available there as I swiped 
>> right. This should save a good bit of time when I do this in the future.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 11:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to 
>> Supersense
>>
>> This is how I got Supersense to import a pdf stored on my Dropbox.
>>
>> Launch Supersense and choose Import Image or PDF.
>>
>>
>> Now select import pdf.
>>
>> You will have a browser window open like Apple’s Files App.
>>
>> Locate the More button and double-tap this.
>>
>> You should have a list of available options that you can enable.disable.
>>
>> One of these should be Dropbox and by default on my iPhone it was not 
>> enabled.  After you reach Dropbox, swipe right and it should say off 
>> on yours too.  You can double tap here to turn it on.
>>
>> Select Done and Dropbox should have been added to your import from list.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 Mar 2021, at 16:30, Richard Turner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Alan,
>> That is a great issue you have found with SuperSense.  It has lots of 
>> apps you can import from, some that make no sense at all, but no Dropbox.
>> First, write to them through the app and request Dropbox access.
>>
>> They default to iCloud, though OneDrive is another possibility.
>>
>> Have you tried triple tapping on the file in DropBox and select share 
>> and if needed whatever it says for more than what is listed and see 
>> if supersense is in there?
>>
>> Let us know if you get it to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site, 
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:49 AM
>> To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
>> Subject: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to 
>> Supersense
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I'll admit up front that I'm a bit old school and prefer using my 
>> desktop computer to do most of my email. I often get scanned PDF 
>> image files that I 

Re: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours regarding Siri

[Richard Turner]

First on the recording, that was not "dictation" that was simply recording with 
Just Press Record.
As for sleeping with the AirPods max, if you are a person who sleeps on your 
back I could see them being very easy to wear at night just remember you will 
not hear anything in the room if you have noise cancellation on, which sounds 
like just what you need.


Richard
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great minds discuss ideas
,
average minds discuss events
,
small minds discuss people
."
--
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On Mar 28, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:

 Richard thank you very much for the demonstration. When the dictation 
switched over to your SE, it was very eye-opening as to why Siri had such a 
difficult time transcribing our dictated messages properly. What a difference 
the AirPod max mix. Hopefully, Apple will fix the 17 second switch over. I 
would be willing to use The AirPod simply to improve the accuracy of dictation.

Would you say they might be comfortable to sleep with? I have two other people 
actually a person in a dog in my bedroom that snore. I generally sleep with my 
noise canceling headphones on. But always looking for something a little bit 
more comfortable than what I have. I have not found the Bose to be very 
comfortable. My beats are absolutely terrible to sleep on.

Thank you very much. Hope you’re enjoying retirement.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


HI Jennie,

Interesting.
It is not consistent.
Sometimes I get the static for a little while, but mostly I don’t.
It could be a processing issue?
I’m not sure.
But, as I use them more, I will pay attention and write something up and send 
it to Apple.

Later,



Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 5:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours regarding Siri

Hi all,

When I say hey Siri and then instruct her to play some music, she does but it 
becomes staticky for just a few seconds. It then goes back to normal after that 
few seconds. Do you Richard or anyone else with these headphones have any of 
the same issues?

Thanks,

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi


On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Good news.
For those who have not read earlier message, my new, fabulous, Airpods Max 
developed an issue where sound was coming in the right ear microphones even 
when Noise Cancelation was on.

I called Apple support and the first thing the man had me do was to reset the 
headphones.  You reset them by holding down both the digital crown and the 
noise cancelation button for several seconds.  If you have them connected to 
the phone when you do this you will know they have begun the reset because they 
will disconnect.
Then, poof, they are reconnected and the problem is gone!

That is all it took.
Now, with noise cancelation on, nothing is coming over the microphones from the 
outside world.
Very nice indeed.




Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours

Hi Richard,
I’d be interested to hear what you find out. I’ve wondered about my pair, as it 
was not as seamless to connect to my iPhone as I thought it would be. Also, I 
had a lot of difficulty connecting the Pods to my PC. However, everything is 
working well, so I guess I will continue to monitor the performance of the 
Pods. So please share what you learn from Apple. Thanks.
Best,

Les

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Airpods Max, review after a few hours

That’s OK Les, I’m 

Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Yeah. Good points about water resistance, though, here in Austin, it’s kind of 
hard to get caught in a downpour. It can even be cloudy and not rain 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
> trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
> resistant.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

I'm glad bonnie remember to point out the water issue.
There are slits for the external microphones, two of which are on the tops of 
the ear pieces.
That would be a recipe for disaster.
If you have Apple Care, they may fix them once, but I would never take them 
outside unless I was just sitting on our patio on a clear day.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "Pete Nalda" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It's not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora's box, I'll admit, I'm kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Andy Baracco]

I do not plan to wear them outdoors in public because I am afraid of someone 
trying to take them from me.  Also, I do not believe that they are water 
resistant.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 1:14 AM
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside



Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
compliance kind of person.


Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense

[Shane Lowe]

Hi all,
This seems to be an unnecessarily complicated means of importing files
from Dropbox into Supersense. If we could make the process simpler and
easier, how would you like it to look?


On 3/27/21, 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Supersense developers and apple.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Richard,
>>
>> I agree that Supersense saying each Dropbox folder is in iCloud makes
>> absolutely no sense but it does that for me too. I'm not sure who to
>> report such a Voiceover anomaly to.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 1:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to
>> Supersense
>>
>> So, does it make sense that after getting Dropbox turned on in SuperSense,
>> (Thanks Malcolm) that when I open dropbox from supersense's dropbox option
>> that each dropbox folder says "in iCloud?"
>> Confusedly yours,
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> "Living by answers is a form of death. It’s only questions that keep you
>> living." -From, The Cross of Lead by Avi, chapter 24-
>> "I've often been asked, 'What do you old folks do now that you're
>> retired?'
>> Well ... I'm fortunate to have a chemical engineering background and one
>> of the things I enjoy most is converting beer, wine and vodka into urine.
>> I do it every day and I really enjoy it."  -- Author unknown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks, Malcolm. I think I must have used your method at least once but
>> with my aging brain, my memory seems to forget a lot more than it retains.
>> When I followed your steps and selected the Import PDF option, the browse
>> screen which opened was already on iCloud drive. All I had to do was go
>> back one screen and Dropbox was available there as I swiped right. This
>> should save a good bit of time when I do this in the future.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 11:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to
>> Supersense
>>
>> This is how I got Supersense to import a pdf stored on my Dropbox.
>>
>> Launch Supersense and choose Import Image or PDF.
>>
>>
>> Now select import pdf.
>>
>> You will have a browser window open like Apple’s Files App.
>>
>> Locate the More button and double-tap this.
>>
>> You should have a list of available options that you can enable.disable.
>>
>> One of these should be Dropbox and by default on my iPhone it was not
>> enabled.  After you reach Dropbox, swipe right and it should say off on
>> yours too.  You can double tap here to turn it on.
>>
>> Select Done and Dropbox should have been added to your import from list.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 Mar 2021, at 16:30, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Alan,
>> That is a great issue you have found with SuperSense.  It has lots of apps
>> you can import from, some that make no sense at all, but no Dropbox.
>> First, write to them through the app and request Dropbox access.
>>
>> They default to iCloud, though OneDrive is another possibility.
>>
>> Have you tried triple tapping on the file in DropBox and select share and
>> if needed whatever it says for more than what is listed and see if
>> supersense is in there?
>>
>> Let us know if you get it to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 8:49 AM
>> To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
>> Subject: Help needed getting image PDF in Dropbox folder to Supersense
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I'll admit up front that I'm a bit old school and prefer using my desktop
>> computer to do most of my email. I often get scanned PDF image files that
>> I want to run OCR on while preserving as much formatting as possible. I
>> will save these attachment images to an applicable Dropbox folder on my
>> computer so I can still access them with my iPhone SE 2020. I know I can
>> use Voice Dream Reader/Scanner to get the text read to me from these image
>> PDFs but I want to see how Supersense handles them. I've been unable to
>> figure out how to do this with Supersense so I'm asking the experts here.
>>
>> I know Supersense has an import option but I could find no way using it to
>> access files in a Dropbox folder. I also tried going to the Dropbox app on
>> my iPhone and attempting to share the particular file with Supersense but
>> couldn't figure out how to do it. Even if Supersense has a way to import
>> files in a Dropbox folder, I'm not sure it will allow me to share the post
>> OCR version back to Dropbox.
>>
>> Any 

Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

[Brad Snyder]

If your rotation is locked, then I have no idea what is causing the issue.
My rotation is also locked, and I have never experienced any problem using any 
of my iPhones when laying flat on a table or desktop.
Only other thing I can think of, is when viewing some video sites, orientation 
automatically changes to landscape while the video is playing.

- Brad -


On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:42, 'Ron Schrader' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hi brad, thanks for the reply, I have the rotation locked. This was my first 
thought. Ron

Sent by visually impaired.

On 29 Mar 2021, at 16:23, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I'm thinking this is an orientation issue.
When you lay your iPhone flat on the table, the orientation may be changing 
from portrait to landscape.
While holding your iPhone in your hand, in portrait view, try enabling rotation 
lock. Then lay your iPhone flat on the table and see if things work as  
expected .

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 04:45, 'Ron S' via VIPhone  wrote:

I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put it 
on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not work 
they are all mixed up.
I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?

thanks

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RE: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

[Richard Turner]

I would say it is time to call Apple Accessibility 877-204-3930
They can do a screen share and see and diagnose exactly what is going on in the 
matter of a very few minutes.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: 'Ron Schrader' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

Hi brad, thanks for the reply, I have the rotation locked. This was my first 
thought. Ron
Sent by visually impaired.

On 29 Mar 2021, at 16:23, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
I'm thinking this is an orientation issue.
When you lay your iPhone flat on the table, the orientation may be changing 
from portrait to landscape.
While holding your iPhone in your hand, in portrait view, try enabling rotation 
lock. Then lay your iPhone flat on the table and see if things work as  
expected .
- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 04:45, 'Ron S' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put it 
on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not work 
they are all mixed up.
I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?

thanks
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Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

['Ron Schrader' via VIPhone]

Hi brad, thanks for the reply, I have the rotation locked. This was my first 
thought. Ron

Sent by visually impaired.

On 29 Mar 2021, at 16:23, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I'm thinking this is an orientation issue.
When you lay your iPhone flat on the table, the orientation may be changing 
from portrait to landscape.
While holding your iPhone in your hand, in portrait view, try enabling rotation 
lock. Then lay your iPhone flat on the table and see if things work as  
expected .

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 04:45, 'Ron S' via VIPhone  wrote:

I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put it 
on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not work 
they are all mixed up.
I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?

thanks
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Brad Snyder]

There is a slight delay when using transparency mode.
Even with my AirPod pros, I would never consider using them when walking out 
and about in public. I think this is asking for trouble.

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 09:28, Richard Turner  wrote:

While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
street with them on.
You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
depth persception.
You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the distance 
or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice for 
walking since your ears are completely unhindered.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
> close to the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
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Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

[Brad Snyder]

I'm thinking this is an orientation issue.
When you lay your iPhone flat on the table, the orientation may be changing 
from portrait to landscape.
While holding your iPhone in your hand, in portrait view, try enabling rotation 
lock. Then lay your iPhone flat on the table and see if things work as  
expected .

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2021, at 04:45, 'Ron S' via VIPhone  wrote:

I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put it 
on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not work 
they are all mixed up.
I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?

thanks
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

The transparency mode is wonderful, but wouldn't wear them outside as Apple 
makes a definite statement that they are not waterproof.

Bonnie Rizzino 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Yes, someone could walk up behind you and brab them. I would never wear them 
when walking around. I would also be careful even when sitting down in a public 
place. Perhaps I will feel differently after a while, but I would rather error 
on the side of caution as they say.
Best,

Les

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Hutchings
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



Love in Christ
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-Original Message-
From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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RE: More obsessing over Airpods Max

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

I liked the recording Richard. It definitely sounds much clearer when you are 
using the airpods microphone.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 5:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: More obsessing over Airpods Max

I put up a kind of dumb, but hopefully helpful, short sample recording to help 
folks hear what the Airpods Max sound like if you are on a call or recording.
www.turner42.com/JPR.mp3



Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Certainly something to think about, I was fine using my AirPod Pro’s 
mobilizing, but the sound in the Max just spoils me!  It’s like augmented 
reality!  And those darn AirPod Pro’s have been prone to popping out!  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the 
> street with them on.
> You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
> I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
> depth persception.
> You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the 
> distance or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
> That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice 
> for walking since your ears are completely unhindered.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
> shouldn’t do that!”  
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my 
>> Airpod Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose 
>> Frames or my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes 
>> outside, but as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and 
>> congested areas, by turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the 
>> occasional updates from my GPS system.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
>> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
>> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
>> even asking a simple question.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> I'm not saying I would do it often
>> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although 
>> I could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan 
>> or black sabith at the time.
>> 
>> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
>> close to the end of the road,
>> 
>> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
>> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with 
>> regard to traffic and people.
>> 
>> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
>> audio off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Richard Turner]

While the transparency is quite good, I would never try walking down the street 
with them on.
You do not have as true a sense of where things are.
I would compare it to the problem a person with sight in one eye has; no true 
depth persception.
You can hear things yes, but you would not be able to safely judge the distance 
or direction accurately enough to be safe outside.
That is why the things like AfterShokz and Bose Frames are a better choice for 
walking since your ears are completely unhindered.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got 
> close to the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Pete Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

I was implying that there are people who probably are thinking, “Oh, no! You 
shouldn’t do that!”  

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
> Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
> my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but 
> as Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
> turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from 
> my GPS system.
> 
> I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the 
> original message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" 
> before, and I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before 
> even asking a simple question.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> I'm not saying I would do it often
> But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
> could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
> black sabith at the time.
> 
> And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got close to 
> the end of the road,
> 
> I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
> They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
> to traffic and people.
> 
> Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
> audio off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

That’s why I got the space grey ones. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
> wrote:
> 
> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person.
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
did you try to reboot your iPhone?
Lyne

> Le 29 mars 2021 à 09:38, Donna Casteen  a écrit :
> 
> 
> I Agree this sounds strange. Can you clarify what you mean when you say that 
> the gestures are all mixed up when you have the phone laying on a table? My 
> first thought is you have the phone laying on the table turned in the wrong 
> direction. The charging port should be facing your body.
> 
> Donna
>   
>> 
>> I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
>> gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put 
>> it on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not 
>> work they are all mixed up.
>> I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
>> tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
>> Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?
>> 
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Re: Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

[Donna Casteen]

I Agree this sounds strange. Can you clarify what you mean when you say that 
the gestures are all mixed up when you have the phone laying on a table? My 
first thought is you have the phone laying on the table turned in the wrong 
direction. The charging port should be facing your body.

Donna
  
> 
> I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
> gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I put 
> it on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do not 
> work they are all mixed up.
> I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
> tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
> Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?
> 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, someone could walk up behind you and brab them. I would never wear them 
when walking around. I would also be careful even when sitting down in a public 
place. Perhaps I will feel differently after a while, but I would rather error 
on the side of caution as they say.
Best,

Les

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I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

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Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of person.

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Marty Hutchings]

I would be afraid that someone would steel them.



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-Original Message- 
From: Mich Verrier

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.


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Nalda

Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside


Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
compliance kind of person.


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Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree with Simon. I walk around my house all of the time wearing my Airpod 
Pros, and although when walking out side, I'll tend to grab my Bose Frames or 
my Aftershokz, I could see myself wearing my Pros or the Maxes outside, but as 
Simon says, I'd still be careful at intersections and congested areas, by 
turning off whatever I'm listening to except for the occasional updates from my 
GPS system.

I have to admit, I'm perplexed by the subject line and the body of the original 
message. I'm not sure I've ever seen the phrase "morale etiquette" before, and 
I'm not sure why the morale high ground has to be invoked before even asking a 
simple question.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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public when active outside

I'm not saying I would do it often
But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
could walk around playing music I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or 
black sabith at the time.

 And crossing an uncontrolled intersection, I gave a try but that got close to 
the end of the road,

 I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me, 
They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
to traffic and people.

Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
audio off.

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Verrier
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public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
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since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

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Nalda
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
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Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
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Strange iPhone 11 pro touch gestures not working

['Ron S' via VIPhone]

I have a strange problem with my iPhone 11 pro. Using voice over touch 
gestures work while holding in one hand and using the other however if I 
put it on a surface and do not hold it and try to do touch gestures they do 
not work they are all mixed up.
I have searched and cannot find any information regarding this. I have also 
tried altering settings such as haptic touch etc.
Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea's ?

thanks

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RE: explanation

[Anthony Borg]

Hi 

 

Infact, that’s what I want to do, but there isn’t any share button. 

Anthony  

 

From: 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone  
Sent: 28 March 2021 21:57
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Subject: Re: explanation

 

Are you able to share the file,

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 28, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Anthony Borg mailto:anthonyborg...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello list 

 

Can somebody tell me if there is away how to transfer a voice message in 
Whatsapp to a pc via email and if so, can you please explain to me how to do 
it? 

Thanks in advance 

 

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Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Yeah, ok. Good point in your case Mich, as I’ll state I’m a high partial, 
mainly using my guide dog for depth perception compensation, and feeling 
terrain changes. Something I could’ve revealed in my original post. Also, will 
reveal, I’m not always listening to music. 

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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 3:16 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
> when active outside
> 
> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
> those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening 
> to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
> Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
> person. 
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Simon A Fogarty]

I'm not saying I would do it often 
But yes I've tried it with my airpods pro on transparency mode and although I 
could walk around playing music 
I wouldn't want to be playing iron maidan or black sabith at the time.

 And crossing an uncontrolled intersection,
I gave a try but that got close to the end of the road,

 I find using my bose frames while walking around is the best thing for me,
They manage to let me keep hearing everything going onn around me with regard 
to traffic and people.

Still crossing uncontrolled intersections I find it's better to do it with 
audio off.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:16 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Mich Verrier]

Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public 
when active outside

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

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Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Pete Nalda]

Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder for 
those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is listening to 
Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And without opening 
Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over compliance kind of 
person. 

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