Search field gone twitterrific

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all, 

Since a few updates ago I cannot find the search field in my twitterrific feed. 
I used to be able to search for a key word and see only tweets in my list that 
matched it. 
Now I just land in the list and cannot find the edit search field anywhere. 
Any ideas before I contact the developer? 

Thanks, 

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: which phone

[Kelly Pierce]

I would go with the Mini. It has the same functionality as the regular
size 12 in a size that fits into a pocket or your hand.  I used to own
an iPhone 5 and liked the smaller screen for typing and navigating
apps.

Kelly



On 5/24/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The SE has the same chip as the 11. So the 12 has a newer chip with slightly
> better processing ability.
> But again, if one can wait a little while there may be features coming in
> the 13 that will make that a better choice. Plus, once the 13 is released,
> the prices on the 12's will drop.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
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> On May 24, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Holly  wrote:
>
> 
> And the SE 2020 is only $400.
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Re: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?

[Kelly Pierce]

Whenever I have used Be My Eyes, I have always been connected with a
woman volunteer.  I can understand the interest of some women to want
a woman volunteer. Yet, guys would likely exploit the situation by
asking women readers to read sexually explicit material.  In addition,
people who do not speak popular languages might find it takes longer
to find a volunteer than when the system contacts both sexes.

Kelly



On 5/25/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I agree that this could be a very good feature for Be My Eyes to implement.
>
> From: catwacky via VIPhone 
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?
>
> I don’t know of any, but believe her claim to be quite valid.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?
>
> I wrote to Be My Eyes, because I think this is a valid question.
> You may want to write as well: w...@bemyeyes.com
> I will send the response to the list when/if I receive one.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
> what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Fazil
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?
>
> Hi, Group.
> My niece said that there are certain things that we feel comfortable talking
> to female volunteers about, and asked me whether there is any settings in BE
> My Eyes, when invoked, takes my call to a female volunteer?
> So let me ask you if there is any such settings?
> Thanks
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Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Pete Nalda]

I’ll be curious to hear how it works out! Ordered mine just before reading your 
post on here. I had just come across a review of it on CNET and immediately 
pulled the plug. I also hated the thinness of the original  4K remote. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On May 25, 2021, at 7:52 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> 
> My new remote should arrie today or tomorrow 
> I don't have atmos either but I'm just keen to get my hands on the jog and 
> direction features of the new device to see if it makes any difference in 
> direction / and betters useability 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:04 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Ok. So, since I’ve found out the vizio sound bar I have doesn’t support Dolby 
> atmos, I feel better about upgrading the remote only. I’m hoping that with 
> the new remote and voiceover, I’ll be able to navigate easier up and down 
> rather than just across. Also, I seem to be entering the rotor by accident 
> with the old touch screen remote. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Note the apple tv 4k (new) supports the dolby atmos format,
>> 
>> But without the speakers to work with it you don't just get dolby 
>> atmos,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If the home pods support atmos,
>> Great but does your sound bar?
>> 
>> I believe the newer sonos arc and base do but my sonos play bar 
>> doesn't, Neither do the sonos play 1 speakers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Ed Worrell
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 5:24 am
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. 
>> As long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos 
>> audio as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the 
>> Dolby Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any 
>> as of right now. I’ll keep looking though.
>> 
>> I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I 
>> was still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. 
>> I made using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned 
>> off the ARC function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with 
>> the HomePods connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, 
>> and the delay was still there as well.
>> 
>> I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living 
>> room and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and 
>> voices are much clearer as well.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
 On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ed,
>>> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the 
>>> homePod. It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression 
>>> that all the audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. 
>>> So I’m sort of surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But 
>>> apparently you also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through 
>>> certain formats. I’m trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the 
>>> grade. I want the Dolby Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
 
 Mary,
 
 I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If 
 you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and 
 your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable 
 lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk 
 trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have 
 only my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC 
 channel so that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come 
 through the HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality 
 and I might not even reconnect the sound bar.
 
 Ed
 
 
> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
> 
> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
> 
> Hopefully tomorrow!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf
> Of Ed Worrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> The new Apple TV remote is a large 

RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Simon A Fogarty]

Pete,

My new remote should arrie today or tomorrow 
I don't have atmos either but I'm just keen to get my hands on the jog and 
direction features of the new device to see if it makes any difference in 
direction / and betters useability 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:04 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Ok. So, since I’ve found out the vizio sound bar I have doesn’t support Dolby 
atmos, I feel better about upgrading the remote only. I’m hoping that with the 
new remote and voiceover, I’ll be able to navigate easier up and down rather 
than just across. Also, I seem to be entering the rotor by accident with the 
old touch screen remote. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On May 25, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Note the apple tv 4k (new) supports the dolby atmos format,
> 
> But without the speakers to work with it you don't just get dolby 
> atmos,
> 
> 
> 
> If the home pods support atmos,
> Great but does your sound bar?
> 
> I believe the newer sonos arc and base do but my sonos play bar 
> doesn't, Neither do the sonos play 1 speakers.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 5:24 am
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Mary,
> 
> I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
> long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos 
> audio as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the 
> Dolby Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any 
> as of right now. I’ll keep looking though.
> 
> I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
> still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I 
> made using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off 
> the ARC function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the 
> HomePods connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and 
> the delay was still there as well.
> 
> I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
> and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
> are much clearer as well.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the 
>> homePod. It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression 
>> that all the audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. 
>> So I’m sort of surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But 
>> apparently you also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through 
>> certain formats. I’m trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. 
>> I want the Dolby Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If 
>>> you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and 
>>> your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable 
>>> lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk 
>>> trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only 
>>> my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so 
>>> that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the 
>>> HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might 
>>> not even reconnect the sound bar.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
 
 I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
 
 Hopefully tomorrow!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
 Of Ed Worrell
 Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
 To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
 
 Hello Mary,
 
 The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
 would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
 of the Apple TV HD and up.
 
 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote 
 and these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with 
 the up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. 
 Just above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice 
 addition in my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the 
 left and the 

Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Pete Nalda]

Ok. So, since I’ve found out the vizio sound bar I have doesn’t support Dolby 
atmos, I feel better about upgrading the remote only. I’m hoping that with the 
new remote and voiceover, I’ll be able to navigate easier up and down rather 
than just across. Also, I seem to be entering the rotor by accident with the 
old touch screen remote. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On May 25, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Note the apple tv 4k (new) supports the dolby atmos format,
> 
> But without the speakers to work with it you don't just get dolby atmos,
> 
> 
> 
> If the home pods support atmos,
> Great but does your sound bar?
> 
> I believe the newer sonos arc and base do but my sonos play bar doesn't,
> Neither do the sonos play 1 speakers.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
> Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 5:24 am
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Mary,
> 
> I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
> long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos 
> audio as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the 
> Dolby Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any 
> as of right now. I’ll keep looking though.
> 
> I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
> still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I 
> made using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off 
> the ARC function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the 
> HomePods connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and 
> the delay was still there as well.
> 
> I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
> and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
> are much clearer as well.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the 
>> homePod. It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression 
>> that all the audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. 
>> So I’m sort of surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But 
>> apparently you also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through 
>> certain formats. I’m trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. 
>> I want the Dolby Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If you 
>>> have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and your 
>>> HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable lag 
>>> with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk 
>>> trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only 
>>> my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so 
>>> that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the 
>>> HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might 
>>> not even reconnect the sound bar.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
 
 I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
 
 Hopefully tomorrow!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
 Of Ed Worrell
 Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
 To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
 
 Hello Mary,
 
 The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
 would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
 of the Apple TV HD and up.
 
 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote 
 and these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with 
 the up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. 
 Just above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice 
 addition in my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the 
 left and the home button on the right. Under the back button is the 
 play/pause button and directly under that is the new mute button. Under 
 the Home button on the right is the volume up and down rocker button.
 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
 sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable 
 Siri remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned 
 

RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Higher than I would think battery usage.

But good to know.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie

On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone

From: 
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

You may want to check out the Roam from Sonos.


Richard
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On May 21, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Personally, I bought the Bose sound link Bluetooth speakers. I bought two of 
them with protective cases.
You they are advertised as waterproof.
 you can have two of them for left and right channel stereo. I will send you 
the linkBose 

Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[alia robinson]

I don’t really think of being blind, ever. it’s just not something that means 
much to me or the people I’m close to. I don’t run from it. it’s just a 
nonissue. it doesn’t make me strong or who I am. it doesn’t anymore define me 
than sight defines my husband, and there are tons of blind people I’ve talked 
to who have been shielded from the sighted world, which is what I meant when I 
said that, but this is getting offtopic now I think. I say bring on the tech. 
if I can hold something that looks more like something mainstream I’m happy.
> On May 25, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Um,
>  
> A sighted world?
>  
> I think that’s what we all grow up in,
>  
> I lost my sight at 22 so approx. 30 years ago,
>  
> I’ve used both cains and dogs,
>  
> I’m happy to try other options that might give me as good if not better 
> independence than I already have with my cain currently.
>  
>  
> But hey having a cain doesn’t change who or what I am,
>  
> And I’m not embarrassed by being blind or having to be seen with a cain,
> It’s part of who I am and what makes me the stronger person I am,
>  
> People need to face up to their disabilities not try and run away from them.
> Use it for the good it can give you in your society.

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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Jenifer Barr]

Um... while I found the initial artical interesting... aren't we getting a bit 
off-track? This is the 30th message at least today I've seen on this topic... 
and while I'm not a moderator and am well aware of the fact I'm contributing... 
lol... smh. Not sure how this discussion is related to IOS or apple? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2021, at 7:18 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
> believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they 
> used to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now.
>  
> and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
> you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
> direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
> standard guide dog.
>  
> Simon
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Simon A Fogarty
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
> 
> Yeah,
>  
> And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
> Importance: High
>  
> possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
> getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
> even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
> to do a job here, and you are not helping"
>  
> Simon
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: CJ & AA MAY
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
>  
> By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their 
> attention. Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide 
> dog owner is that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. 
> A robot guide dog is likely to draw just as much attention.
>  
> Alison
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Um,

A sighted world?

I think that’s what we all grow up in,

I lost my sight at 22 so approx. 30 years ago,

I’ve used both cains and dogs,

I’m happy to try other options that might give me as good if not better 
independence than I already have with my cain currently.


But hey having a cain doesn’t change who or what I am,

And I’m not embarrassed by being blind or having to be seen with a cain,
It’s part of who I am and what makes me the stronger person I am,

People need to face up to their disabilities not try and run away from them.
Use it for the good it can give you in your society.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:52 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s face 
it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. the 
fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we have no 
idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one should care 
what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look to other 
people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could be free 
of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where nothing 
truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve seen 
here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are never a 
waste of time.




On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Simon A Fogarty]

That’s odd,

It should I would have thought only have gone to sleep,

Or is it that it’s not on a mains power supply it actually switchs off to save 
battery power,




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 4:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

I will ask, but somehow I don't think so because as soon as I turn off the 
speaker it shows as "Error, offline" in the Sonos app and I would assume that 
it was in some sort of sleep mode that would be so it still can be seen by the 
app and somehow it could be woken up from the app so to speak.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

It will be interesting if you find that it is merely going to sleep, and not 
actually turning off.
That would be a deal breaker for me.
Yo

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On May 25, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie


On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



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On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 

Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now. 

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon A Fogarty 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  Yeah,

   

  And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
  Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post
  Importance: High

   

  possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping" 

   

  Simon 

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: CJ & AA MAY 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

 

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their 
attention. Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog 
owner is that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A 
robot guide dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Authenticator app?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Which authenticator app?

If the Microsoft one it’s great,

I have no issues using it when I need to.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 4:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Authenticator app?

Hey folks,

I’m curious how useable/accessible the authenticator app is with VO. I’m being 
required to use it for 2FA with one of the systems I need to access. Thoughts? 
Appreciated!
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RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Simon A Fogarty]

Note the apple tv 4k (new) supports the dolby atmos format,

But without the speakers to work with it you don't just get dolby atmos,



If the home pods support atmos,
Great but does your sound bar?

I believe the newer sonos arc and base do but my sonos play bar doesn't,
Neither do the sonos play 1 speakers.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 5:24 am
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Mary,

I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos audio 
as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the Dolby 
Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any as of 
right now. I’ll keep looking though.

I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I made 
using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off the ARC 
function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the HomePods 
connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and the delay 
was still there as well.

I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
are much clearer as well.

Ed
 

> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the homePod. 
> It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression that all the 
> audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. So I’m sort of 
> surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But apparently you 
> also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through certain formats. I’m 
> trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. I want the Dolby 
> Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If you 
>> have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and your 
>> HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable lag 
>> with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk trying 
>> to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only my 
>> HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so that 
>> my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the HomePod 
>> speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might not even 
>> reconnect the sound bar.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
>>> 
>>> Hopefully tomorrow!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of Ed Worrell
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
>>> would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
>>> of the Apple TV HD and up.
>>> 
>>> 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote 
>>> and these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with 
>>> the up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. 
>>> Just above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice 
>>> addition in my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the 
>>> left and the home button on the right. Under the back button is the 
>>> play/pause button and directly under that is the new mute button. Under the 
>>> Home button on the right is the volume up and down rocker button.
>>> 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
>>> sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable 
>>> Siri remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off 
>>> as they can make navigation difficult with Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my 
>>> opinion. One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older 
>>> models of the Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV HD/4th 
>>> generation.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Ed Worrell
>>> 
>>> 
> On May 24, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I wasn’t sure where to post this, since it’s really a question about this 
 new Siri remote that comes with the new Apple TV 4K. I ordered one of 
 those, because I understand that I should be able to use my HomePods 
 stereo pair for 

RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Simon A Fogarty]

So your address is?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
English
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:13 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

I know of a website offering inaudible easily, and I ran a virus scanner over 
it. If you're interested, write me off list because I doubt the list admins 
want those sorts of links on their mailing list.

On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I do this for kindle books, but only for my own use; legal or not, if 
> I buy the book, and do not give it to someone else, I figure no one is 
> going to knock on my door and arrest me for making things more 
> accessible for myself.
> But, Audible audio books are not so easy. The app mentioned, 
> "Inaudible" is very hard to find, and often loaded with Trojan viruses 
> from all the reviews I've read.
> Plus, if the book in particular my friend wanss was available through 
> another soursce like Libro.fm, I could get it far cheaper than having 
> her buy the Audible copy as a nonmember and try to convert it with 
> suspect or purchased software, which I'm not going to do.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip 
> off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s 
> not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of 
> service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
> but what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
> books, worth reading and considering
>
> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book 
> from audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then 
> a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if 
> I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from 
> bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you 
> don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the 
> book.
>
> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is 
> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, 
> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to 
> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend 
> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available 
> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology 
> book.
> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or 
> especially Kindle.
> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download 
> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
> She would buy the book.
> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with 
> Amazon.
> That's BS!
> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not 
> holding my breath.
> My friend really needs human read books.
> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn 
> powerful.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
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>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time.



On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Simon A Fogarty]

Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,
Left side above the volume buttns?

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone 
To unmute if that is what the issue is.

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Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
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I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
to turn it off!

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Richard Turner]

Did they just mute their phone or did they go into VoiceOver Audio settings?

If they went into the VO audio settings and don't remember what they did, 
perhaps using the search field at the top of the settings window for something 
like home screen sound, or something along those lines.



Richard
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Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
and App switcher

Hello:
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when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
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I've never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
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RE: Apple Releases iOS 14.6 and iPadOS 14.6; Bringing Podcast Subscriptions, Support for Upcoming New Features in Apple Music, and More | AppleVis

[Richard Turner]

Yes, Watch OS 7.5 is out, also minor apparently with no negative impact on 
VoiceOver.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:54 PM
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Richard and there was an update to watch os lastnight also.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Apparently a fairly minor update.

https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-146-and-ipados-146-bringing-podcast-subscriptions-support-upcoming-new


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Richard and there was an update to watch os lastnight also.

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah,

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

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possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


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The Washington Post

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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Re: Overcast revisited again

[regina alvarado]

I don’t know what I did except log out, but when I log back in there they were. 
Thank you so much for everyone’s help. I am now unfrustrated   Thank you again.

Reggie Alvarado 

On May 25, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Yes, open Overcast on your iPad and log into your account, and your podcasts 
will download to it.

Best,
Anna


> On May 25, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
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> My experience is that they sync automatically when logged in with my account. 
> Indeed, everything syncs even when listening to podcasts via the web browser 
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> Hi, I have Overcast as my podcast app. I have a lot of podcasts on my iPhone. 
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Re: Overcast revisited again

[regina alvarado]

Anna, I hate to be such a pain about this, but it still isn’t downloading them. 
I am logged in to both my iPhone and my iPad to overcast. I just deleted and 
reinstalled overcast on my iPad. When I went in to login it had already logged 
in for me. I have never logged in, though sometime in the past because I’ve had 
this app since the beginning, I must have logged in. However nothing is 
downloading I even went to the site to see if there was a magic button or 
something for downloading and there’s absolutely nothing there. I checked my 
iCloud, and both devices have uploaded I should say backed up last night. I am 
current on all updates. The only thing I have not done yet is update to the new 
iOS. That’s my next project. However I truly don’t understand this when I go 
into voice dream reader on any of my devices it will download them to that 
device but the podcast just won’t do it. I hate to use the regular podcast app 
because I don’t like the way it’s set up I really like overcast. However I’d 
like to be able to use it on my iPad as well as my iPhone. Any thoughts? Thank 
you for any help you can give me. This is very frustrating.

Reggie Alvarado 

On May 25, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Yes, open Overcast on your iPad and log into your account, and your podcasts 
will download to it.

Best,
Anna


> On May 25, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> My experience is that they sync automatically when logged in with my account. 
> Indeed, everything syncs even when listening to podcasts via the web browser 
> -Original Message-
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Carolyn]

Oh my, Juan, that is priceless! 

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The Washington Post

I used to have a black t-shirt that said in big yellow writing, “Keep Staring, 
I might do a trick!” I loved it hahaha.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!





On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and 
let’s face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted 
world. the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and 
we have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time. 

 

 





On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of 
direction, but to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think 
nobody should be embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. 
This would be like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to 
use a wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one 
of those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?

The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are 
embarrassed by the cane then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if 
you had to wear thick glasses and how about that future super backpack, people 
will still know that you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said 
backpack will require all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe 
more or less noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others 
think? Maybe I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I 
were walking down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me 
and laughing their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, 
but I sure wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

 

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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping" 

Simon 


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  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their 
attention. Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog 
owner is that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A 
robot guide dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

   

  Alison

   


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RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Richard Turner]

Thank you.
I am going to leave this subject drop as it was never intended to open a 
debate, but I should know better.
Good luck to anyone who thinks they can find audio books that are exclusive to 
Audible on OverDrive, a library program, or anywhere else.





Richard
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they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

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From: 'Dave Sheridan' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

Hi Richard

Thank you for sharing this And concerns, along with those of the author of the 
piece, about the concerns of access for all. Unlike others who have replied to 
you, I am in full agreement with what you have said. If we leave it to 
individuals like those who have offered to convert it from audible then we will 
still have a huge audience of people who would still be denied the coness 
spoken about. Where will such practice end?

Dave
Sent from my iPhone


On 25 May 2021, at 17:12, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which 
is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns 
about access to books.
One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the 
word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year 
old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was 
written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially 
Kindle.
I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 
file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
She would buy the book.
But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon.
That's BS!
I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my 
breath.
My friend really needs human read books.
So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written 
to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should 
do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of 
people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and 
statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly 
defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are 
quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[CJ & AA MAY]

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

 

Alison

 

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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

['Dave Sheridan' via VIPhone]

Hi Richard 

Thank you for sharing this And concerns, along with those of the author of the 
piece, about the concerns of access for all. Unlike others who have replied to 
you, I am in full agreement with what you have said. If we leave it to 
individuals like those who have offered to convert it from audible then we will 
still have a huge audience of people who would still be denied the coness 
spoken about. Where will such practice end? 

Dave  

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2021, at 17:12, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
>  As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, 
> which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge 
> concerns about access to books.
> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the 
> word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year 
> old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was 
> written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially 
> Kindle.
> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 
> file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
> She would buy the book.
> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon.
> That's BS!
> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding 
> my breath.
> My friend really needs human read books.
> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are 
>> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the 
>> author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the 
>> majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from 
>> Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel 
>> insantly defensive.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
>> worth reading and considering
>>  
>> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
>> your right.
>> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
>> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country 
>> are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Richard 
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>  
>> www.turner42.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's 
>> just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the 
>> government is evil".
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
>> worth reading and considering
>>  
>> I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole 
>> heartedly with the sentiment.
>>  
>> The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
>> by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks
>>
>> We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
>> audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely 
>> independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores 
>> and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. 
>>  
>> One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
>> audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
>> and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.
>>  
>> Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
>> only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020
>>  
>> While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
>> all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to 
>> exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s 
>> Audible. 
>>  
>> What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?
>>  
>> we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an 
>> audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you 
>> know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 
>> 10, 2020
>>  
>> For Audible 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Carla]

I'm getting tired of this thread too.  Nothing can replace my guide dog unless 
I were to get my vision back and that ain't happenin until I'm in Heaven 
because my eyes are prosthetic.  Just sayin.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
juanhernande...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
 
I used to have a black t-shirt that said in big yellow writing, “Keep Staring, 
I might do a trick!” I loved it hahaha.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
 
I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!
 
On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time. 
 
 
 
On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.
 
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Apple Releases iOS 14.6 and iPadOS 14.6; Bringing Podcast Subscriptions, Support for Upcoming New Features in Apple Music, and More | AppleVis

[Richard Turner]

Apparently a fairly minor update.

https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-146-and-ipados-146-bringing-podcast-subscriptions-support-upcoming-new



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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[juanhernandez98]

I used to have a black t-shirt that said in big yellow writing, “Keep Staring, 
I might do a trick!” I loved it hahaha.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!





On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time. 

 

 





On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?

The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

 

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[juanhernandez98]

Good for you.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

having been totally blind all my life, all this looks and image stuff is all so 
much chinese to me. 

I am who I am, simple as, and people can either like it or lump it. 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: alia robinson   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:51 PM

Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s face 
it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. the 
fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we have no 
idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one should care 
what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look to other 
people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could be free 
of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where nothing 
truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve seen 
here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are never a 
waste of time.  

 

 





On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?

The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

 

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RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It may have to do with your TV's settings. We bought a new 55 inch LG OLED TV 
before Christmas which has all the latest features and also the new Sonos 
surround package with the Arc soundbar, wireless Sub and Sonos SL for rear 
speakers. When we first hooked it up I expected the TV to automatically realize 
there was a soundbar and to send output there, but it did not, sound came from 
the soundbar/surround system as well as the TV's internal speakers. When my 
wife found this in Settings she saw that internal speakers were included and 
she had to manually change it to just the HDMI ARC output. If your soundbar is 
directly under the TV did you make sure the sound came from it and not the TV?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:24 AM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Mary,

I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos audio 
as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the Dolby 
Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any as of 
right now. I’ll keep looking though.

I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I made 
using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off the ARC 
function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the HomePods 
connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and the delay 
was still there as well.

I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
are much clearer as well.

Ed
 

> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the homePod. 
> It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression that all the 
> audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. So I’m sort of 
> surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But apparently you 
> also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through certain formats. I’m 
> trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. I want the Dolby 
> Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If you 
>> have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and your 
>> HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable lag 
>> with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk trying 
>> to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only my 
>> HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so that 
>> my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the HomePod 
>> speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might not even 
>> reconnect the sound bar.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
>>> 
>>> Hopefully tomorrow!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of Ed Worrell
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
>>> would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
>>> of the Apple TV HD and up.
>>> 
>>> 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote 
>>> and these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with 
>>> the up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. 
>>> Just above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice 
>>> addition in my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the 
>>> left and the home button on the right. Under the back button is the 
>>> play/pause button and directly under that is the new mute button. Under the 
>>> Home button on the right is the volume up and down rocker button.
>>> 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
>>> sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable 
>>> Siri remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off 
>>> as they can make navigation difficult with Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my 
>>> opinion. One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older 
>>> models of the Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!


On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time.




On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Authenticator app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I used to use Authenticator and it's fine, but there is also the Microsoft 
Authenticator and the Google Authenticator apps. I now use Microsoft 
Authenticator and it is also very accessible, but I think Google Authenticator 
is as well and if I am not mistaken I read somewhere that Apple has released 
one as well. I am more invested in the Microsoft eco system with a personal 
Microsoft 365 Home subscription as well as Microsoft 365 business subscriptions 
and I have all my Outlook.com accounts set up for 2-factor authentication so 
for me the Microsoft Authenticator app works well, but they all essentially do 
the same thing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Authenticator app?

Hey folks,

I’m curious how useable/accessible the authenticator app is with VO. I’m being 
required to use it for 2FA with one of the systems I need to access. Thoughts? 
Appreciated!
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RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Dennis Long]

How do you turn off the touch pad gestures?  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
Worrell
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:21 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Hello Mary,

The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I would 
compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features of the 
Apple TV HD and up.

1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote and 
these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with the up, 
down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. Just above 
that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice addition in my eyes. 
Below the directional pad is the back button on the left and the home button on 
the right. Under the back button is the play/pause button and directly under 
that is the new mute button. Under the Home button on the right is the volume 
up and down rocker button.
2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch sensitive 
and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable Siri remote from 
the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off as they can make 
navigation difficult with Voiceover.

All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my opinion. 
One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older models of the 
Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV HD/4th generation.

I hope this helps,

Ed Worrell


> On May 24, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t sure where to post this, since it’s really a question about this new 
> Siri remote that comes with the new Apple TV 4K. I ordered one of those, 
> because I understand that I should be able to use my HomePods stereo pair for 
> all sorts of TV output with the new Apple TV plus a properly equipped 
> television with a RC or EARC. I wonder if anybody has this new remote and if 
> there’s anything particularly noteworthy about using it with voiceover. I 
> know the remote controls have changed, and I’ve seen some descriptions that 
> are of course related to how cited folks would use it. I’ve googled, and I 
> haven’t seen anything about voiceover in conjunction with the new remote. Not 
> even on Apple support pages. Hence my question.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[James English]

I know of a website offering inaudible easily, and I ran a virus
scanner over it. If you're interested, write me off list because I
doubt the list admins want those sorts of links on their mailing list.

On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I do this for kindle books, but only for my own use; legal or not, if I buy
> the book, and do not give it to someone else, I figure no one is going to
> knock on my door and arrest me for making things more accessible for
> myself.
> But, Audible audio books are not so easy. The app mentioned, "Inaudible" is
> very hard to find, and often loaded with Trojan viruses from all the reviews
> I've read.
> Plus, if the book in particular my friend wanss was available through
> another soursce like Libro.fm, I could get it far cheaper than having her
> buy the Audible copy as a nonmember and try to convert it with suspect or
> purchased software, which I'm not going to do.
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off
> the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal,
> because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you
> agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
> what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575604658421681%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=UTcAMmAN2Vlp%2F8OBjt4hSPv1nKU%2BoexCp7k2FcU6L00%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books,
> worth reading and considering
>
> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from
> audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot
> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled
> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare,
> it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write
> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.
>
> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is
> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything,
> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to
> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend
> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available
> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology
> book.
> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or
> especially Kindle.
> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download
> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
> She would buy the book.
> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
> Amazon.
> That's BS!
> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not
> holding my breath.
> My friend really needs human read books.
> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
> powerful.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such
> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to
> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many
> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would
> make many of them feel insantly defensive.
>
> 

Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Anthony Vece]

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
> face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted 
> world. the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, 
> and we have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no 
> one should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we 
> look to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and 
>  could be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place 
> where nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the 
> attitude I’ve seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that 
> we can use are never a waste of time. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but 
>> to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
>> embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
>> like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
>> wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
>> those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
>> should they be embarrassed?
>> The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the 
>> cane then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear 
>> thick glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still 
>> know that you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack 
>> will require all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more 
>> or less noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others 
>> think? Maybe I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if 
>> I were walking down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at 
>> me and laughing their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity 
>> them, but I sure wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.
> 
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RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Larry Lumpkin]

I think audible has the same right to have exclusive deals with 
authors/publishers as anyone else.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the 
digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because 
when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in 
order to purchase the rights to use the books.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
> books, worth reading and considering
> 
> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book 
> from audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot 
> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled 
> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, 
> it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write 
> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.
> 
>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is 
>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, 
>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to 
>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a 
>> friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only 
>> available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic 
>> theology book.
>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or 
>> especially Kindle.
>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download 
>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
>> She would buy the book.
>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement 
>> with Amazon.
>> That's BS!
>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not 
>> holding my breath.
>> My friend really needs human read books.
>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn 
>> powerful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> u
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%
>> 7 
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkn
>> o 
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> L 
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>> u
>> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles 
>> are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and 
>> such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not 
>> going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, 
>> how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is 
>> evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
>> books, worth reading and considering
>> 
>> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, 
>> that is your right.
>> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
>> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this 
>> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, 
>> period.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> u
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%
>> 7 
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkn
>> o 
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> L 

Re: iPhone 8 and Dictation

['Pat Marshall' via VIPhone]

Hi Holly,

OK thanks.  What a nuisance as I don't dictate or type messages as use Siri all 
the time except when I send imogees now and again without a message.  Always 
changes with updates aren't there.




Pat M 




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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

having been totally blind all my life, all this looks and image stuff is all so 
much chinese to me. 
I am who I am, simple as, and people can either like it or lump it. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: alia robinson 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time. 






On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, 
but to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should 
be embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the 
cane then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear 
thick glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know 
that you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will 
require all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.



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Re: Overcast revisited again

[Anna Dresner]

Yes, open Overcast on your iPad and log into your account, and your podcasts 
will download to it.

Best,
Anna


> On May 25, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> My experience is that they sync automatically when logged in with my account. 
> Indeed, everything syncs even when listening to podcasts via the web browser 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:22 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Overcast revisited again
> 
> Hi, I have Overcast as my podcast app. I have a lot of podcasts on my iPhone. 
> How do I sync them to my iPad? Thanks for any help with this. I find no sync 
> button either in Overcast on my iPhone or iPad.
> 
> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Mary Otten]

I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the 
digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because 
when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in 
order to purchase the rights to use the books.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
> worth reading and considering
> 
> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from 
> audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot 
> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled 
> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, 
> it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write 
> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.
> 
>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is 
>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, 
>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to 
>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend 
>> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available 
>> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or 
>> especially Kindle.
>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download 
>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
>> She would buy the book.
>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with 
>> Amazon.
>> That's BS!
>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not 
>> holding my breath.
>> My friend really needs human read books.
>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn 
>> powerful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
>> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are 
>> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such 
>> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to 
>> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many 
>> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would 
>> make many of them feel insantly defensive.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
>> books, worth reading and considering
>> 
>> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, 
>> that is your right.
>> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
>> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this 
>> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, 
>> period.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
>> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". 
>> It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" 
>> or "the government is evil".
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> 

RE: Overcast revisited again

[Cristobal Muñoz]

My experience is that they sync automatically when logged in with my account. 
Indeed, everything syncs even when listening to podcasts via the web browser 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:22 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Overcast revisited again

Hi, I have Overcast as my podcast app. I have a lot of podcasts on my iPhone. 
How do I sync them to my iPad? Thanks for any help with this. I find no sync 
button either in Overcast on my iPhone or iPad.


Reggie Alvarado 

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Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Ed Worrell]

Mary,

I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos audio 
as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the Dolby 
Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any as of 
right now. I’ll keep looking though.

I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I made 
using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off the ARC 
function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the HomePods 
connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and the delay 
was still there as well.

I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
are much clearer as well.

Ed
 

> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed,
> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the homePod. 
> It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression that all the 
> audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. So I’m sort of 
> surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But apparently you 
> also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through certain formats. I’m 
> trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. I want the Dolby 
> Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods…
>> 1. If you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set 
>> and your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a 
>> noticeable lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over 
>> the desk trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I 
>> have only my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC 
>> channel so that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come 
>> through the HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality 
>> and I might not even reconnect the sound bar.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
>>> 
>>> Hopefully tomorrow!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ed 
>>> Worrell
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
>>> would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
>>> of the Apple TV HD and up.
>>> 
>>> 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote 
>>> and these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with 
>>> the up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. 
>>> Just above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice 
>>> addition in my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the 
>>> left and the home button on the right. Under the back button is the 
>>> play/pause button and directly under that is the new mute button. Under the 
>>> Home button on the right is the volume up and down rocker button.
>>> 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
>>> sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable 
>>> Siri remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off 
>>> as they can make navigation difficult with Voiceover.
>>> 
>>> All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my 
>>> opinion. One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older 
>>> models of the Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV HD/4th 
>>> generation.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Ed Worrell
>>> 
>>> 
> On May 24, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I wasn’t sure where to post this, since it’s really a question about this 
 new Siri remote that comes with the new Apple TV 4K. I ordered one of 
 those, because I understand that I should be able to use my HomePods 
 stereo pair for all sorts of TV output with the new Apple TV plus a 
 properly equipped television with a RC or EARC. I wonder if anybody has 
 this new remote and if there’s anything particularly noteworthy about 
 using it with voiceover. I know the remote controls have changed, and I’ve 
 seen some descriptions that are of course related to how cited folks would 
 use it. I’ve googled, and I haven’t seen anything about voiceover in 
 conjunction with the new remote. Not even on Apple support pages. 

Overcast revisited again

[regina alvarado]

Hi, I have Overcast as my podcast app. I have a lot of podcasts on my iPhone. 
How do I sync them to my iPad? Thanks for any help with this. I find no sync 
button either in Overcast on my iPhone or iPad.


Reggie Alvarado 

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Re: Switching between emails organised by theme

[Dave Clement]

Hi, 

If you are asking about how to move among emails in a thread using the IOS Mail 
app, then:

Note - for a bluetooth keyboard, use the normal short cuts for the gestures 
described below. 

1. Double tap the thread header message in the in-box. This will present all of 
the emails as if they were one long message. Normally, you are positioned on 
the text of the first message but occasionally, you are positioned in the email 
header info of the first message. 

2. Turn your rotor to the "messages" option.  This is an automatic rotor 
setting that IOS will add to your rotor when you open a thread. 

3. 1-finger flick up or down to move among the email messages in the thread. 
Voiceover will read the start of the message based on yur "preview" value for 
mail.

4. If you need to read more of the email message then 1-finger flick right or 
left. Once you do this, the rotor is automatically moved to the "actions" 
setting for that email so, you will have to again turn it to the "messages" 
setting to move to the next or previous email in the thread. 

An alternative way to work with the messages in a thread is to "expand" the 
message thread header. 1-finger flick up on the header email and double tap the 
"expand" option. This will then present each message in the thread as a 
separate email in the in-box. You can then navigate them as normal. 

I hope this helps. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On May 25, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Ian Harrison  wrote:

Hi listers,
I would like to flick between emails that were organised by theme but cn’t find 
a keyboard shortcut to do this. Any ideas?
Many thanks
Ian

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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Maria Campbell]

Yes you can with a program called Inaudible.


Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/25/2021 12:53 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
Or if you can, I have never heard of it.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they 
become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from 
audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot of 
audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled my 
audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it 
really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off 
list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.

On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:

As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is
offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything,
however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to
spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend
who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available
through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or
especially Kindle.
I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download
an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
She would buy the book.
But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
Amazon.
That's BS!
I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not
holding my breath.
My friend really needs human read books.
So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
powerful.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such
the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to
offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many
people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would
make many of them feel insantly defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio
books, worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence,
that is your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this
country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil".
It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil"
or "the government is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio
books, worth reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole
heartedly with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on
July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you
to buy audiobooks directly 

RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Richard Turner]

Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
Or if you can, I have never heard of it.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from 
audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot of 
audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled my 
audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it 
really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off 
list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.

On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is 
> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, 
> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to 
> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend 
> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available 
> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or 
> especially Kindle.
> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download 
> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
> She would buy the book.
> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with 
> Amazon.
> That's BS!
> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not 
> holding my breath.
> My friend really needs human read books.
> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn 
> powerful.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are 
> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such 
> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to 
> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many 
> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would 
> make many of them feel insantly defensive.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
> books, worth reading and considering
>
> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, 
> that is your right.
> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this 
> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, 
> period.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". 
> It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" 
> or "the government is evil".
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio 
> books, worth reading and considering
>
> I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole 
> heartedly with the sentiment.
>
> The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on 
> July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks
>
> We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you 
> to buy audiobooks directly through your local 

Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Joshua Hendrickson]

What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book
from audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then
a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if
I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from
bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you
don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to
get the book.

On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting,
> which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge
> concerns about access to books.
> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the
> word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year
> old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was
> written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially
> Kindle.
> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3
> file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
> She would buy the book.
> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
> Amazon.
> That's BS!
> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding
> my breath.
> My friend really needs human read books.
> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
> powerful.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the
> author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the
> majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from
> Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel
> insantly defensive.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books,
> worth reading and considering
>
> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is
> your right.
> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country
> are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's
> just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the
> government is evil".
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books,
> worth reading and considering
>
> I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole
> heartedly with the sentiment.
>
> The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
> by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks
>
> We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy
> audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely
> independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores
> and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.
>
> One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain
> audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah
> and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.
>
> Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story
> only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020
>
> While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of
> all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to
> exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s
> Audible.
>
> What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?
>
> we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an
> audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you
> know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June
> 10, 2020
>
> For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from
> Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the
> rest of the book world, it’s an access 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

['Pat Marshall' via VIPhone]

Hi Juan,

How very true your em Is Juan.  I totally agree with you in every way.






Pat M 




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Authenticator app?

[James Homuth]

Hey folks,

 

I'm curious how useable/accessible the authenticator app is with VO. I'm
being required to use it for 2FA with one of the systems I need to access.
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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Richard Turner]

As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which 
is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns 
about access to books.
One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the 
word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year 
old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was 
written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially 
Kindle.
I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 
file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
She would buy the book.
But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon.
That's BS!
I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my 
breath.
My friend really needs human read books.
So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written 
to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should 
do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of 
people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and 
statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly 
defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are 
quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020

While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive 
licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible.

What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?

we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an 
audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know 
that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020

For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from 
Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest 
of the book world, it’s an access barrier.

It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s 
Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital 
audiobook, including bookstores and libraries.

Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive 
audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that.

How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive?

This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the 
Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 
that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to 
create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[juanhernandez98]

Agreed.  I have been a cane user since I was 8 years old, and once I lost my 
vision when I was 14, I felt my cane gave me a great deal of independence.  I 
have been a guide dog user for the last 23 years, and rarely use my cane, but I 
always carry a telescoping cane in my back pack for emergencies.  The key is 
independence, so how ever you reach it, that is what matters.  You should not 
be ashamed of how you get there.  After all, in this case, it isn’t the journey 
that matters but the fact you got there independently is what truly matters.  I 
love my guide dog, I’m on my forth, and for me, a guide dog is supreme for 
moving through the world, and also you are never alone.  That’s just my two 
cents. 



Best,

 

Juan

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Hi, Sieghard,

 

I also am never embarrassed by my cane.  If people are staring at me, I feel 
that they are either awed, amazed, or wondering what I am doing!  Haha!  In 
addition, I feel very positive about using my cane and that we are educating 
the general public on how independent we can be.  I have no issue with people 
using guide dogs because they are absolutely wonderful and we are very 
fortunate to have choices in life.

 

Take care.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!





On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?

The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

 

maybe 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

completely agree! I know it's handy for giving the sighted wallies who don't 
look where they are going a good ankle bashing, but as I think I said before, 
if one has no sense of direction, the cane is of very limited use for actually 
getting about. 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: marco.c...@gmail.com   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Completely agree. To many people in this world seem to have their canes 
attached to their personalities. A cane to me is like having to carry around 
some surgical implement. The quicker we can replace it, the better I say.

 

Marco

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

why is it ridiculous? sighted people get directions on their phone, and are 
told what to do at every turn. I personally was always embarrassed by a cane, 
and allergic to dogs. if tech can help us out why not? I for one hated my cane, 
loathed it because it made me feel different than my sighted friends at school. 
I live in a rural area, like to walk close arm in arm with my husband, and my 
cane is in a closet, and has been for years. If I could use something techy I 
would be far more excited about travelling alone. 

 

On May 24, 2021, at 1:10 AM, goshawk on horseback 
mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> > wrote:

 

that's all well and good, but if like myself for example, you have no sense of 
direction, and need something that is going to be able to work out a rout for 
you, find places for you such as the 

RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I will ask, but somehow I don't think so because as soon as I turn off the 
speaker it shows as "Error, offline" in the Sonos app and I would assume that 
it was in some sort of sleep mode that would be so it still can be seen by the 
app and somehow it could be woken up from the app so to speak.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

It will be interesting if you find that it is merely going to sleep, and not 
actually turning off.
That would be a deal breaker for me.
Yo

Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On May 25, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie



On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

You may want to check out the Roam from Sonos.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds 

RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written 
to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should 
do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of 
people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and 
statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly 
defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are 
quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020

While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive 
licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible.

What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?

we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an 
audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know 
that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020

For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from 
Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest 
of the book world, it’s an access barrier.

It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s 
Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital 
audiobook, including bookstores and libraries.

Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive 
audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that.

How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive?

This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the 
Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 
that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to 
create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by 
authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights 
to a book.

Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to 
creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive 
distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other 
audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail 
sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why 
authors and publishers spring for this opportunity.

Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They 
pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The 
Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their 
audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from 
selling and distributing them.

What does this mean for audiobook distribution?

Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" 
exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the 
library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and "Handmaid's Tale."— 
Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019

Libraries, 

Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Richard Turner]

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are 
quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.




Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020

While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive 
licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible.

What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?

we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an 
audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know 
that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020

For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from 
Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest 
of the book world, it’s an access barrier.

It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s 
Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital 
audiobook, including bookstores and libraries.

Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive 
audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that.

How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive?

This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the 
Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 
that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to 
create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by 
authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights 
to a book.

Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to 
creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive 
distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other 
audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail 
sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why 
authors and publishers spring for this opportunity.

Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They 
pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The 
Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their 
audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from 
selling and distributing them.

What does this mean for audiobook distribution?

Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" 
exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the 
library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and "Handmaid's Tale."— 
Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019

Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with Amazon 
cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This means Libro.fm 
can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means our 1,200 bookstore 
partners can’t sell them, either.

Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries are 
pissed by that move. 

RE: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree that this could be a very good feature for Be My Eyes to implement.

From: catwacky via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?

I don’t know of any, but believe her claim to be quite valid.

Karen



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?

I wrote to Be My Eyes, because I think this is a valid question.
You may want to write as well: w...@bemyeyes.com
I will send the response to the list when/if I receive one.




Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Niece's Question About Be My Eyes?

Hi, Group.
My niece said that there are certain things that we feel comfortable talking to 
female volunteers about, and asked me whether there is any settings in BE My 
Eyes, when invoked, takes my call to a female volunteer?
So let me ask you if there is any such settings?
Thanks

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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[alia robinson]

well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s face 
it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. the 
fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we have no 
idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one should care 
what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look to other 
people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could be free 
of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where nothing 
truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve seen 
here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are never a 
waste of time. 



> On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but 
> to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
> embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
> like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
> wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
> those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
> should they be embarrassed?
> The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
> then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
> glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
> you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
> all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
> noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? 
> Maybe I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were 
> walking down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and 
> laughing their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but 
> I sure wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020

While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive 
licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible.

What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean?

we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an 
audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know 
that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020

For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from 
Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest 
of the book world, it’s an access barrier.

It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s 
Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital 
audiobook, including bookstores and libraries.

Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive 
audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that.

How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive?

This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the 
Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 
that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to 
create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by 
authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights 
to a book.

Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to 
creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive 
distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other 
audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail 
sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why 
authors and publishers spring for this opportunity.

Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They 
pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The 
Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their 
audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from 
selling and distributing them.

What does this mean for audiobook distribution?

Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" 
exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the 
library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and "Handmaid's Tale."— 
Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019

Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with Amazon 
cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This means Libro.fm 
can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means our 1,200 bookstore 
partners can’t sell them, either.

Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries are 
pissed by that move. https://t.co/hKuU3JSCFq— ☘Jen is Irish everyday☘ 
(@JentoInfinity) February 7, 2019

Audible Exclusives also work in direct opposition to the basic principles of 
libraries—free access to books, both digital and print. By limiting 
distribution, Amazon aids in making books, perspectives, and information 
inaccessible to certain communities and users.

To reiterate: There are audiobooks being published that bookstores cannot sell, 
and libraries cannot lend.

This hurts bookstores because they are consistently missing out on sales for 
big releases. When they aren’t able to sell audiobooks that are in high demand, 
potential customers will opt for Audible over their local bookstores. This, of 
course, only continues to increase Audible’s (and ultimately 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[juanhernandez98]

Amen brother.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?

The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

 

maybe 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

completely agree! I know it's handy for giving the sighted wallies who don't 
look where they are going a good ankle bashing, but as I think I said before, 
if one has no sense of direction, the cane is of very limited use for actually 
getting about. 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: marco.c...@gmail.com   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Completely agree. To many people in this world seem to have their canes 
attached to their personalities. A cane to me is like having to carry around 
some surgical implement. The quicker we can replace it, the better I say.

 

Marco

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

why is it ridiculous? sighted people get directions on their phone, and are 
told what to do at every turn. I personally was always embarrassed by a cane, 
and allergic to dogs. if tech can help us out why not? I for one hated my cane, 
loathed it because it made me feel different than my sighted friends at school. 
I live in a rural area, like to walk close arm in arm with my husband, and my 
cane is in a closet, and has been for years. If I could use something techy I 
would be far more excited about travelling alone. 

 

On May 24, 2021, at 1:10 AM, goshawk on horseback 
mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> > wrote:

 

that's all well and good, but if like myself for example, you have no sense of 
direction, and need something that is going to be able to work out a rout for 
you, find places for you such as the right shop, pub, restaurant etc. and do it 
all with pin point accuracy, the cane is next to useless! 

so for someone like myself, the robot guide dog, if fitted with the right tech, 
is a super fantastic idea. 

 

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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Esther]

Hi, Sieghard,

I also am never embarrassed by my cane.  If people are staring at me, I feel 
that they are either awed, amazed, or wondering what I am doing!  Haha!  In 
addition, I feel very positive about using my cane and that we are educating 
the general public on how independent we can be.  I have no issue with people 
using guide dogs because they are absolutely wonderful and we are very 
fortunate to have choices in life.

Take care.

Esther

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> On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but 
> to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
> embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
> like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
> wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
> those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
> should they be embarrassed?
> The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
> then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
> glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
> you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
> all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
> noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? 
> Maybe I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were 
> walking down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and 
> laughing their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but 
> I sure wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.
>  
> maybe
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
> Importance: High
>  
> completely agree! I know it's handy for giving the sighted wallies who don't 
> look where they are going a good ankle bashing, but as I think I said before, 
> if one has no sense of direction, the cane is of very limited use for 
> actually getting about.
>  
> Simon
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: marco.c...@gmail.com
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
>  
> Completely agree. To many people in this world seem to have their canes 
> attached to their personalities. A cane to me is like having to carry around 
> some surgical implement. The quicker we can replace it, the better I say.
>  
> Marco
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
> robinson
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
> Importance: High
>  
> why is it ridiculous? sighted people get directions on their phone, and are 
> told what to do at every turn. I personally was always embarrassed by a cane, 
> and allergic to dogs. if tech can help us out why not? I for one hated my 
> cane, loathed it because it made me feel different than my sighted friends at 
> school. I live in a rural area, like to walk close arm in arm with my 
> husband, and my cane is in a closet, and has been for years. If I could use 
> something techy I would be far more excited about travelling alone. 
>  
> 
> On May 24, 2021, at 1:10 AM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>  
> that's all well and good, but if like myself for example, you have no sense 
> of direction, and need something that is going to be able to work out a rout 
> for you, find places for you such as the right shop, pub, restaurant etc. and 
> do it all with pin point accuracy, the cane is next to useless! 
> so for someone like myself, the robot guide dog, if fitted with the right 
> tech, is a super fantastic idea. 
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Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Richard Turner]

It will be interesting if you find that it is merely going to sleep, and not 
actually turning off.
That would be a deal breaker for me.
Yo


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 25, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie


On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

You may want to check out the Roam from Sonos.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 21, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Mickey 

Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[CHELA Robles]

I have the following Bluetooth speaker and it’s not water resistant but it 
works very well and holds a very good charge. Check it out it also has audible 
tones and four buttons.

Bluetooth Speakers Loud 24-Hour Playtime, MIFA A20 Portable True Wireless 
Stereo TWS Speaker Soundbox Rich Bass and 3D DSP Sound, 30W, with Built-in Mic, 
Micro-SD Card Slot, for Home, Office, Travel 
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07D9G78GD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_WXEY9JWXDZS0Z8N3G9R8
The one thing I haven’t figured out is talking on the speaker in a phone call I 
have not figured the phone call thing out with it as far as the Bilton Mike 
goes I’m not sure how that sounds but there you go. I’ve had mine charged for a 
full hour or two and it has not lost its charge in about 2 or 3 weeks maybe 
tops it’s still at 100% and the only way to tell whether or not it’s fully 
charged is a green light indicator and unfortunately I can’t tell but I had 
sighted assistance with checking the status on that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
> it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
> battery.
> I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
> showd as 98%.
> Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
> would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
> means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
> without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
> approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
> off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
> I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to 
> hold at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I 
> don't use them.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
> days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
> off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
> the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner  wrote:
>  
> Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep 
> mode rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
> If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
> definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
> and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
> Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
> description:
>  
> WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s 
> super waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable 
> pool pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in 
> waist-deep, it hits you with waves of glorious sound.
>  
> Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has 
> many more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore 
> I assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
> speaker.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
> water stream?
>  
> And, roughly , how much does it cost?
>  
> Thank you Sieghard,
>  
> James B  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard 
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> You may want to check out the Roam from Sonos. 
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> 
> On May 21, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
> 
>  
> Personally, I bought the Bose sound link 

Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Mary Otten]

Hi Ed,
There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the homePod. 
It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression that all the 
audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. So I’m sort of 
surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But apparently you also 
have to have a TV with the ability to pass through certain formats. I’m trying 
to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. I want the Dolby Atmos etc. 
What sort of TV are you using?


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods…
> 1. If you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set 
> and your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a 
> noticeable lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over 
> the desk trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I 
> have only my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC 
> channel so that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come 
> through the HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality 
> and I might not even reconnect the sound bar.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
>> 
>> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
>> 
>> Hopefully tomorrow!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
>> Worrell
>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
>> would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
>> of the Apple TV HD and up.
>> 
>> 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote and 
>> these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with the 
>> up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. Just 
>> above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice addition in 
>> my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the left and the 
>> home button on the right. Under the back button is the play/pause button and 
>> directly under that is the new mute button. Under the Home button on the 
>> right is the volume up and down rocker button.
>> 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
>> sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable Siri 
>> remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off as 
>> they can make navigation difficult with Voiceover.
>> 
>> All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my 
>> opinion. One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older 
>> models of the Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV HD/4th 
>> generation.
>> 
>> I hope this helps,
>> 
>> Ed Worrell
>> 
>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wasn’t sure where to post this, since it’s really a question about this 
>>> new Siri remote that comes with the new Apple TV 4K. I ordered one of 
>>> those, because I understand that I should be able to use my HomePods stereo 
>>> pair for all sorts of TV output with the new Apple TV plus a properly 
>>> equipped television with a RC or EARC. I wonder if anybody has this new 
>>> remote and if there’s anything particularly noteworthy about using it with 
>>> voiceover. I know the remote controls have changed, and I’ve seen some 
>>> descriptions that are of course related to how cited folks would use it. 
>>> I’ve googled, and I haven’t seen anything about voiceover in conjunction 
>>> with the new remote. Not even on Apple support pages. Hence my question.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, if people had to pay for their guide dog very few could afford one. I 
guess it would be like buying a new car every 8 years, you would go to the 
bank, take out a $35,000 or $40,000 loan and pay $400 or $500 a month, then 
when it's time for a new dog you could still sell your old one for $500 or $800 
to somebody who wants a well-trained pet knowing it would only be around for 2 
or 3 or maybe 5 years at the most.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

depends on how it is funded.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
To: "'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post


Also, how affordable will it be for the average blind person?

Cait


> On May 24, 2021, at 11:32 AM, mich verrier  wrote:
>
> Hi I have to ask when or even if this tech will ever get in the hands 
> of blind people? Or for that madder even if there are any blind people 
> in this prodo type development? So many of these ideas never seem to 
> get off of the ground and are just flashes in the pan and never herd of again.
> From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: May 24, 2021 11:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers 
> think so. - The Washington Post
>
> I also don't see the harm in researching and exploring different options. 
> Sure the technology is in it's early stages, and kinks need to be 
> worked out, but how is this different from any other technology, such 
> as smart phones using a touch screen? I can see where people wouldn't 
> think this would be an option for themselves, but that is why choice 
> is important, and just because someone doesn't use something doesn't make it 
> ridiculous.
> Ditto for using a cane or a guide dog. The bottom line is being 
> independent, and if a cane works for someone then they're personality 
> shouldn't be called into question.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 10:10 AM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers 
> think so. - The Washington Post
>
> I don’t see the harm in them/companies creating different options for 
> travel. The robot assistant still feels a ways off for me. I commend 
> them for looking outside the box.
>
> I personally think that a robot dog, or robot helping me walk down the 
> road is probably the future, but it still won’t replace the 
> companionship of the guide dog. The will never be able to replace that 
> aspect no matter how hard they try.
>
> Ed
>
>
>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Johna Gravitt 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree.  Also, what about getting you around construction or 
>> stopping you at curbs or steps?
>> Secondary navigation aids are a great idea and I for one would love 
>> to test some out but I’ll stick with my fury friend as well.
>> I did try a robot guide in a study a while back and it was definitely 
>> interesting but I still feel safer with my dog or Cain.
>> Johna
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of CJ & AA MAY
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 2:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers 
>> think so. - The Washington Post
>>
>> I think that such equipment could be useful as a secondary mobility 
>> aid, but really don’t see it replacing a cane or a dog. It isn’t 
>> enough to know that a person is approaching you, you need to know 
>> which way to go to avoid that person or obstacle. It would require 
>> tremendous concentration when navigating a busy shop or trying to 
>> find your way back to the exit.
>> Think I’ll stick with my dog, but I can see that one day there will 
>> be useful secondary mobility aids.
>> Alison
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> CrazyEyez
>> Sent: 23 May 2021 22:50
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers 
>> think so. - The Washington Post
>>
>> honestly this is stupid.
>> Another money grab.
>> You'll never ever replace the cane.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 23, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Priscilla Garces (prisci) 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Thought this might be interesting to read.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/03/25/innovations-ai-b
>> a
>> ckpack-blind/
>>
>> Researchers design an AI-powered backpack for the visually impaired 
>> Artificial intelligence researchers 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

maybe

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

completely agree! I know it's handy for giving the sighted wallies who don't 
look where they are going a good ankle bashing, but as I think I said before, 
if one has no sense of direction, the cane is of very limited use for actually 
getting about.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: marco.c...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Completely agree. To many people in this world seem to have their canes 
attached to their personalities. A cane to me is like having to carry around 
some surgical implement. The quicker we can replace it, the better I say.

Marco

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

why is it ridiculous? sighted people get directions on their phone, and are 
told what to do at every turn. I personally was always embarrassed by a cane, 
and allergic to dogs. if tech can help us out why not? I for one hated my cane, 
loathed it because it made me feel different than my sighted friends at school. 
I live in a rural area, like to walk close arm in arm with my husband, and my 
cane is in a closet, and has been for years. If I could use something techy I 
would be far more excited about travelling alone.

On May 24, 2021, at 1:10 AM, goshawk on horseback 
mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>>
 wrote:

that's all well and good, but if like myself for example, you have no sense of 
direction, and need something that is going to be able to work out a rout for 
you, find places for you such as the right shop, pub, restaurant etc. and do it 
all with pin point accuracy, the cane is next to useless!
so for someone like myself, the robot guide dog, if fitted with the right tech, 
is a super fantastic idea.

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Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?

[Shirley Baker]

I believe I got this figured out now. I integrated it with myAmazon account. 
When I open the parcel app, it shows my expected deliveries are there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2021, at 1:35 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> 
> Shirley, this app over here that I’m pasting into this message supports 
> Amazon now. Hope this helps
> this is the one I use and have no issues with.
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/parcel-delivery-tracking/id375589283
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Shirley Baker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> I’m confused. Which parcel tracker has approved Amazon?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 8:46 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
>>> Hello Shirley yes they have approved it they recently added it to the 
>>> notifications in your settings you have to turn it on and link your 
>>> account. It works very well for me right now. So far everything is looking 
>>> up very well.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 24, 2021, at 5:43 AM, Shirley Baker  
> wrote:
> 
 I quit using parcel track because it would not track packages from 
 Amazon—especially those from Logistics. Hopefully, they have improved that 
 since I stopped, which has been over a year ago at least.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 24, 2021, at 12:30 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hi Chela,
>  
> I also like Parcel’s ability to link to my Amazon account and track 
> Amazon packages since that’s where I get most of my stuff. I’m going to 
> try AfterShip but I’m not giving up my Parcel subscription until I’ve 
> fully tested AfterShip especially with Amazon packages.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?
>  
> Hello my name is Sheila Robles and I’m new to the list thought I’d 
> introduce myself and as far as the shipping apps are concerned I still 
> use Parcel and of course I’m subscribed it’s not really a big deal and 
> just now it actually works with Amazon which is what I mainly use. I was 
> considering dropping it until they started supporting it. All I had to do 
> was turn on Amazon notifications in the Parcel App and sure enough my 
> current delivery which is scheduled to be coming to me on Tuesday showed 
> up when I first opened the app without me even hunting for a tracking 
> number that’s really cool.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Alan, what labels did you give to those tabs?
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
>  
> I’ve got a weakness for package tracking apps and thanks for telling us 
> about AfterShip.  I’m curious why you stopped using the Parcel app to 
> which I thought you were subscribed. I also stopped using the free Parcel 
> Track because it just didn’t seem to work as reliably for my US shipments 
> as other tracking apps I’ve used. I’ve had good success with Parcel and 
> its subscription but if I can get a free app like AfterShip, I’ll 
> consider switching. I’m a little nervous about giving AfterShip access to 
> my gmail account which is my sole email but that seems a necessity to get 
> its automatic features.
>  
> I was also a bit disappointed that AfterShip’s two bottomline toolbar 
> buttons were not labeled to Voiceover but I submitted feedback to their 
> support reporting this.  I applied custom labels to those but the first 
> time the app is updated, I’ll lose those.
>  
> Please keep us posted on your success with AfterShip and also how you 
> think it compares with Parcel if you’re still using that one.
>  
> Alan lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?
>  
> I used to use Parcel Track, but was frustrated with the fact it wouldn't 
> track Purolator packages any nore in Canada and that whenever I sent a 
> message to their support I would neve rget a reply.
> I stopped using an app for a while and just used the various apps for 
> UPS, Fed Ex, Canada Post etc. if I wanted to track, but then a few weeks 
> ago I came across an app called Aftership and I installed it. It asked if 
> I wante dto link it to my Microsoft account so I did this 

Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?

[Alan Lemly]

Shirley,

After I execute the Add button in the upper right corner of the Parcel app by 
Ivan Pavlov Ltd, I'm placed in a text box where the tracking number is entered. 
The app provides the matching carriers based on the tracking number entered.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Shirley 
Baker 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:03:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?

I open up the parcel app and all I see is number and carrier. It doesn’t have a 
picker to choose your carrier, which in this case is Amazon. Please tell me how 
to use this app. Do I type my order number somewhere?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2021, at 1:35 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:


Shirley, this app over here that I’m pasting into this message supports Amazon 
now. Hope this helps
this is the one I use and have no issues with.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/parcel-delivery-tracking/id375589283

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

I’m confused. Which parcel tracker has approved Amazon?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2021, at 8:46 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:

Hello Shirley yes they have approved it they recently added it to the 
notifications in your settings you have to turn it on and link your account. It 
works very well for me right now. So far everything is looking up very well.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2021, at 5:43 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:

I quit using parcel track because it would not track packages from 
Amazon—especially those from Logistics. Hopefully, they have improved that 
since I stopped, which has been over a year ago at least.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2021, at 12:30 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi Chela,



I also like Parcel’s ability to link to my Amazon account and track Amazon 
packages since that’s where I get most of my stuff. I’m going to try AfterShip 
but I’m not giving up my Parcel subscription until I’ve fully tested AfterShip 
especially with Amazon packages.



Alan Lemly



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?



Hello my name is Sheila Robles and I’m new to the list thought I’d introduce 
myself and as far as the shipping apps are concerned I still use Parcel and of 
course I’m subscribed it’s not really a big deal and just now it actually works 
with Amazon which is what I mainly use. I was considering dropping it until 
they started supporting it. All I had to do was turn on Amazon notifications in 
the Parcel App and sure enough my current delivery which is scheduled to be 
coming to me on Tuesday showed up when I first opened the app without me even 
hunting for a tracking number that’s really cool.

Sent from my iPhone



On May 23, 2021, at 9:34 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

 Alan, what labels did you give to those tabs?





Richard

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt



www.turner42.com





On May 23, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi Sieghard,



I’ve got a weakness for package tracking apps and thanks for telling us about 
AfterShip.  I’m curious why you stopped using the Parcel app to which I thought 
you were subscribed. I also stopped using the free Parcel Track because it just 
didn’t seem to work as reliably for my US shipments as other tracking apps I’ve 
used. I’ve had good success with Parcel and its subscription but if I can get a 
free app like AfterShip, I’ll consider switching. I’m a little nervous about 
giving AfterShip access to my gmail account which is my sole email but that 
seems a necessity to get its automatic features.



I was also a bit disappointed that AfterShip’s two bottomline toolbar buttons 
were not labeled to Voiceover but I submitted feedback to their support 
reporting this.  I applied custom labels to those but the first time the app is 
updated, I’ll lose those.



Please keep us posted on your success with AfterShip and also how you think it 
compares with Parcel if you’re still using that one.



Alan lemly



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?



I used to use Parcel Track, but was frustrated with the fact it wouldn't track 
Purolator packages any nore in Canada and that whenever I sent a message to 
their support I would neve rget a reply.

I stopped using an app for a while and just used the various apps for UPS, Fed 
Ex, 

RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Angie 
Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie


On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

You may want to check out the Roam from Sonos.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 21, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Personally, I bought the Bose sound link Bluetooth speakers. I bought two of 
them with protective cases.
You they are advertised as waterproof.
 you can have two of them for left and right channel stereo. I will send you 
the linkBose SoundLink Micro: 

Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?

[Shirley Baker]

I open up the parcel app and all I see is number and carrier. It doesn’t have a 
picker to choose your carrier, which in this case is Amazon. Please tell me how 
to use this app. Do I type my order number somewhere?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2021, at 1:35 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> 
> Shirley, this app over here that I’m pasting into this message supports 
> Amazon now. Hope this helps
> this is the one I use and have no issues with.
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/parcel-delivery-tracking/id375589283
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Shirley Baker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> I’m confused. Which parcel tracker has approved Amazon?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 8:46 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
 
>>> Hello Shirley yes they have approved it they recently added it to the 
>>> notifications in your settings you have to turn it on and link your 
>>> account. It works very well for me right now. So far everything is looking 
>>> up very well.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 24, 2021, at 5:43 AM, Shirley Baker  
> wrote:
> 
 I quit using parcel track because it would not track packages from 
 Amazon—especially those from Logistics. Hopefully, they have improved that 
 since I stopped, which has been over a year ago at least.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 24, 2021, at 12:30 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hi Chela,
>  
> I also like Parcel’s ability to link to my Amazon account and track 
> Amazon packages since that’s where I get most of my stuff. I’m going to 
> try AfterShip but I’m not giving up my Parcel subscription until I’ve 
> fully tested AfterShip especially with Amazon packages.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?
>  
> Hello my name is Sheila Robles and I’m new to the list thought I’d 
> introduce myself and as far as the shipping apps are concerned I still 
> use Parcel and of course I’m subscribed it’s not really a big deal and 
> just now it actually works with Amazon which is what I mainly use. I was 
> considering dropping it until they started supporting it. All I had to do 
> was turn on Amazon notifications in the Parcel App and sure enough my 
> current delivery which is scheduled to be coming to me on Tuesday showed 
> up when I first opened the app without me even hunting for a tracking 
> number that’s really cool.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Alan, what labels did you give to those tabs?
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
>  
> I’ve got a weakness for package tracking apps and thanks for telling us 
> about AfterShip.  I’m curious why you stopped using the Parcel app to 
> which I thought you were subscribed. I also stopped using the free Parcel 
> Track because it just didn’t seem to work as reliably for my US shipments 
> as other tracking apps I’ve used. I’ve had good success with Parcel and 
> its subscription but if I can get a free app like AfterShip, I’ll 
> consider switching. I’m a little nervous about giving AfterShip access to 
> my gmail account which is my sole email but that seems a necessity to get 
> its automatic features.
>  
> I was also a bit disappointed that AfterShip’s two bottomline toolbar 
> buttons were not labeled to Voiceover but I submitted feedback to their 
> support reporting this.  I applied custom labels to those but the first 
> time the app is updated, I’ll lose those.
>  
> Please keep us posted on your success with AfterShip and also how you 
> think it compares with Parcel if you’re still using that one.
>  
> Alan lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: the most accessible free package shipping monitoring apps?
>  
> I used to use Parcel Track, but was frustrated with the fact it wouldn't 
> track Purolator packages any nore in Canada and that whenever I sent a 
> message to their support I would neve rget a reply.
> I stopped using an app for a while and just used the various apps for 
> UPS, Fed Ex, Canada Post etc. if I wanted to track, but then a few weeks 
> ago I came across an app called Aftership and I installed it. It asked 

Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[Ed Worrell]

Mary,

I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods…
1. If you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set 
and your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable 
lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk 
trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only my 
HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so that my 
TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the HomePod 
speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might not even 
reconnect the sound bar.

Ed
  

> On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
> 
> I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
> 
> Hopefully tomorrow!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed 
> Worrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
> would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features of 
> the Apple TV HD and up.
> 
> 1. It has physical buttons arranged in a circle at the top of the remote and 
> these are used for navigation, think of it like a directional pad with the 
> up, down, left and right buttons with a select button in the middle. Just 
> above that to the top right is the power button, this is a nice addition in 
> my eyes. Below the directional pad is the back button on the left and the 
> home button on the right. Under the back button is the play/pause button and 
> directly under that is the new mute button. Under the Home button on the 
> right is the volume up and down rocker button.
> 2. One thing to remember is the circle directional pad is also touch 
> sensitive and you can perform the same gestures as on the touch capable Siri 
> remote from the prior models. Luckily these gestures can be turned off as 
> they can make navigation difficult with Voiceover.
> 
> All in all the new Siri remote is a welcome upgrade and worth it in my 
> opinion. One more note is that it is backwards compatible with the older 
> models of the Apple TV, going all the way back to the Apple TV HD/4th 
> generation.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Ed Worrell
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t sure where to post this, since it’s really a question about this 
>> new Siri remote that comes with the new Apple TV 4K. I ordered one of those, 
>> because I understand that I should be able to use my HomePods stereo pair 
>> for all sorts of TV output with the new Apple TV plus a properly equipped 
>> television with a RC or EARC. I wonder if anybody has this new remote and if 
>> there’s anything particularly noteworthy about using it with voiceover. I 
>> know the remote controls have changed, and I’ve seen some descriptions that 
>> are of course related to how cited folks would use it. I’ve googled, and I 
>> haven’t seen anything about voiceover in conjunction with the new remote. 
>> Not even on Apple support pages. Hence my question.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Update on turning touchpad off and on on the fly

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

Nice find, there is one issue I have run into with the quick fix…
After following the steps outlined in your email, here’s what I’ve found.

With the option turned on with a laptop the right side of the keyboard is made 
useless as it is trying to use this side for the mouse buttons. I have to turn 
off the feature to type anything in a text field. Any idea how to get around 
this issue?

Ed Worrell


> On May 25, 2021, at 7:35 AM, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> apologies if someone has already posted this.
> 
> A lister previously advised to use a connected mouse to turn off the touchpad 
> so I woldn’t accidentally use the pad to change focus. I’ve now found a way 
> to do this on the fly without the need for a mouse or external touchpad. I 
> can now turn the pad back on when I have finished so my sighted friends can 
> use it as intended.
> 
> Do the following:
> Go to Apple preferences in Big Sur
> click on Accessibility
> Click on pointers in the table of options
> Click on other pointer tab
> Put a tick in the enable mouse keys box
> Go into the mouse options pop up and tick turn off touchpad when mouse keys 
> enabled
> Click OK
> 
> Now you can toggle the touchpad on and off with 5 quick presses of the option 
> key on the keyboard
> 
> Cheers
> Ian
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Re: note apps

[Cristobal Munoz]

I’ve tried different note taking apps like notion, simple note, Google keep 
etc. Honestly… I always end up going back to outlook.
In my case, I have exchanged accounts for my business and I just find it 
convenient to create a new note on the device I’m signed into. it updates 
automatically on all the other devices. The thing I’ve found with those other 
note taking services is that while accessibility may be OK on one platform, it 
may be problematic on another or nonexistent all together. 

> On May 24, 2021, at 2:09 PM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> So I’ve used macjournal for years on the mac/iphone/ipad.  But I need 
> something that will sync my notes with my windows computers as well.  Are 
> there any such apps?
>  
> How has evernote accessibility come around? Some years ago it wasn’t all that 
> great.
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Update on turning touchpad off and on on the fly

[Ian Harrison]

Hi listers,
apologies if someone has already posted this.

A lister previously advised to use a connected mouse to turn off the touchpad 
so I woldn’t accidentally use the pad to change focus. I’ve now found a way to 
do this on the fly without the need for a mouse or external touchpad. I can now 
turn the pad back on when I have finished so my sighted friends can use it as 
intended.

Do the following:
Go to Apple preferences in Big Sur
click on Accessibility
Click on pointers in the table of options
Click on other pointer tab
Put a tick in the enable mouse keys box
Go into the mouse options pop up and tick turn off touchpad when mouse keys 
enabled
Click OK

Now you can toggle the touchpad on and off with 5 quick presses of the option 
key on the keyboard

Cheers
Ian

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Switching between emails organised by theme

[Ian Harrison]

Hi listers,
I would like to flick between emails that were organised by theme but cn’t find 
a keyboard shortcut to do this. Any ideas?
Many thanks
Ian

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RE: iPhone 8 and Dictation

[CJ & AA MAY]

I really don't think it has been discontinued, Pat. I have the latest IOS 
versin and there are some additions but nothing has gone.
Alison


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From: 'Pat Marshall' via VIPhone  
Sent: 24 May 2021 18:07
To: siegh...@live.ca; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone 8 and Dictation

hi,

that's interesting.  Since downloading the recent IOS 14.5 I've lost my woosh 
airplane sound when sending a text.  Apparently this has been discontinued if 
you use Siri.  Why, I liked it.  Siri only now says message sent.  tried 
settings to get it back.  No luck.





Pat M 




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