Looking for a specific keyboard

[Mária Orovčíková]

Hello list,
please, I am looking for a foldable bluetooth keyboard with replaceable 
batteries; something like Freedom i-Connex Bluetooth Keyboard which is 
not available any more.

Thank you for help in advance.
Maria

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Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Esther Levegnale]

yes, the weather is rather crazy  here. It's raining quite hard. I guess it's 
supposed to get worse in the middle of the night or early morning. Thank you 
for your kind words however. I will let you know how things turn out. Take 
care. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Esther,
>  
> You guys in the USA get some rough stuff,
>  
> The big easy just got hit
> And now cannetakit
>  
> Keep your heads down and stay safe.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
> Levegnale
> Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 9:40 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> we are expecting a severe storm here in Connecticut later this evening. I 
> have my phone charging and I also have a power bank charging. I know my 
> landline will go out if we lose electricity. Anyway, I am crossing my fingers 
> on both hands! Ha ha! Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
> main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
> I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
> (work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
> also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" 
> and by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in 
> giving people the option to use their home or work phone.
> I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
> having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
> even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also 
> have to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even 
> during a power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because 
> all the towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my 
> family who live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power 
> line and it took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire 
> time the cell tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared 
> chances are you run out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but 
> that is what external batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up 
> and you can charge your iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe 
> weather event chances are telephone lines are going to be down as well so 
> there are probably situations where cell phones work and landlines do not.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are 
> cell phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and 
> their work phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I 
> retired.  We have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and 
> find the cell service is down or the battery is down, etc.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
> Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
> Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
> think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
> that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
> you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
> I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
> attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone 
> app. For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that 
> you could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also 
> by "Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
> particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that 
> person/number. Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all 
> and delete, that only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can 
> either delete individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls 
> list, it makes no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then 
> select to clear them, it still clears the entire call list.
> I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but 

Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I remember when my parents bought our first  car phone Wayback in 
the day. It must've been the 70s or 80s. It was called a bag phone. It was 
huge! We thought it was so wonderful that we could make calls to people from 
our car! Look how far technology came! Isn't it great? Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> O I think you misunderstood my sarcasm.
>  
> I think labeling phone numbers with something meaningful is extremely useful. 
>  I tis just Apple is still in the dark ages when it comes to these labels.
>  
> They are back in the days when a Car Phone took up most of the middle console 
> between the front seats and cell phones wade a couple of pounds.  In fact, 
> their labels have been out of date since the very first iPhone.
>  
> Perhaps if everyone wrote Apple Accessibility and pointed out the silliness 
> of some of their stock labels, they would update them.
>  
> I’ve written them several times … obviously, they are not listening to me, .
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> Richard,
>  
> I guess that’s something you feel personally,
>  
> I know for me that the labels are useful,
> As it lets me specify who has an iPhone and who has an android or mobile
>  
> I also list friends mobiles under home in some cases as they have work phones 
> as well as personal mobiles.
>  
> And a couple of people I deal with in our local hospital have pagers
> Until of course they upgrade their phone system.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 2:57 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
> an iPhone.
> when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, 
> or a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There 
> is a Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
> Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
> Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
> contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
> if it was work.  
> The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with 
> and, as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
> website:  www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> 
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
> you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are 
> those situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to 
> get an Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I 
> even see an "Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it 
> nonsense, whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I 
> have never experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had 
> iMessage enabled and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the 
> message was not sent as an iMessage.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
> Cramer
> Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact
> 
> Hello,
> When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
> there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being 
> a home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I 
> also remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a 
> mobile phone.
> Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
> wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
> Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
> with an iDevice?
> Tom
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RE: Spatial audio?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I need to have a look at my primary phone which is still running 14.x

But I’m pretty sure my tempos would do well with it,

I find the frames tenors aren’t as powerful with the audio output.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2021 4:04 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Spatial audio?

I doubt you would notice much of a difference with something like Bose Frames, 
but you can of course try. My wired V-Mota headset is a nice quality 
over-the-ear headset which cost about $200 eight or ten years ago and you can 
definitely tell the difference with it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: August 30, 2021 8:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Spatial audio?

Really?

I thought this was an apple only thing at the moment,

But hey that’s great if you can use it with any headphoens.

I’ll have to try it with my frames.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2021 3:46 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Spatial audio?

Any headphone supports it, but you have to change it from auto detect to Always 
on if you don't have headphones like Apple's latest and greatest and maybe only 
those support things like where the audio changes depending on how you turn 
your head, but when I listened to the intro and some of the tracks when it was 
first introduced I used just my regular wired V-Mota headset


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: August 30, 2021 3:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spatial audio?

It is more whether your headphone support it.
What headphones do you have?


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





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On Aug 30, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Fanus Buys 
mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Richard
Can you name a song which supports spacial audio. I would like to hear what it 
sounds like.
Regards
Fanus


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Spatial audio?

yes, if you have headphones that support it I think.

I have the Airpods Max with my SE 2020 and it works great.


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





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On Aug 29, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Lelia Struve 
mailto:leliastr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all, so I know that you can get spatial audio on an iPhone 11 and up but 
can you get it with the iPhone SE220?
Thanks

Lelia

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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Richard Turner]

O I think you misunderstood my sarcasm.

I think labeling phone numbers with something meaningful is extremely useful.  
I tis just Apple is still in the dark ages when it comes to these labels.

They are back in the days when a Car Phone took up most of the middle console 
between the front seats and cell phones wade a couple of pounds.  In fact, 
their labels have been out of date since the very first iPhone.

Perhaps if everyone wrote Apple Accessibility and pointed out the silliness of 
some of their stock labels, they would update them.

I’ve written them several times … obviously, they are not listening to me, .



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Richard,

I guess that’s something you feel personally,

I know for me that the labels are useful,
As it lets me specify who has an iPhone and who has an android or mobile

I also list friends mobiles under home in some cases as they have work phones 
as well as personal mobiles.

And a couple of people I deal with in our local hospital have pagers
Until of course they upgrade their phone system.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 2:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  
www.turner42.com


On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard,

I guess that’s something you feel personally,

I know for me that the labels are useful,
As it lets me specify who has an iPhone and who has an android or mobile

I also list friends mobiles under home in some cases as they have work phones 
as well as personal mobiles.

And a couple of people I deal with in our local hospital have pagers
Until of course they upgrade their phone system.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 2:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com



On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Simon A Fogarty]

I thought you guys  in Canada used morse code still or heliographs
Because it gets so cold up in the north that the phones freeze
Or is it polar bear mail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 5:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Simon A Fogarty]

I no longer have it

But until 2 years ago
I got a business plan from my cellular provider

The plan gave me free calling within new Zealand and Australia
With unlimited text and enough data to do me a month,

But the big key point for my family was that it came with an additional 
landline number,

So no landline phone at home,
Just a number that geographically diverted to my mobile so that no matter where 
I was,
I got all home phone calls or mobile calls and it told me which number was 
being rung

That way I had both for the same price
Which from memory ws about 65 kiwi dollars.I don’tthink you can get a landline 
phone here now for that.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 6:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. 

RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Esther,

You guys in the USA get some rough stuff,

The big easy just got hit
And now cannetakit

Keep your heads down and stay safe.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 9:40 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

we are expecting a severe storm here in Connecticut later this evening. I have 
my phone charging and I also have a power bank charging. I know my landline 
will go out if we lose electricity. Anyway, I am crossing my fingers on both 
hands! Ha ha! Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a 

Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Esther Levegnale]

I also listen to NewsLine on my land line phone. I do use my iPhone pretty much 
all day, and even keep it on at night when I'm sleeping, because my Fitbit 
measures my sleep. Well anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Ha ha! 
Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 2:01 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
> talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away 
> from the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I 
> love using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much 
> faster than I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my 
> phone laying down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing 
> other things.  Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for 
> anything!
>  
> Sherry Wells
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much 
> of a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There 
> are effects that I find unpleasant.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
> Gazer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
> didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have 
> one. I never thought this would happen.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
> Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
> quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing 
> cycle was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed 
> it any more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
>  
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
> 
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
> main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
> I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
> (work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
> also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" 
> and by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in 
> giving people the option to use their home or work phone.
> I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
> having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
> even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also 
> have to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even 
> during a power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because 
> all the towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my 
> family who live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power 
> line and it took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire 
> time the cell tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared 
> chances are you run out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but 
> that is what external batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up 
> and you can charge your iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe 
> weather event chances are telephone lines are going to be down as well so 
> there are probably situations where cell phones work and landlines do not.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are 
> cell phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and 
> their work phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I 
> retired.  We have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and 
> find the cell service is down or the battery is down, etc.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  

Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Esther Levegnale]

we are expecting a severe storm here in Connecticut later this evening. I have 
my phone charging and I also have a power bank charging. I know my landline 
will go out if we lose electricity. Anyway, I am crossing my fingers on both 
hands! Ha ha! Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
> main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
> I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
> (work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
> also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" 
> and by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in 
> giving people the option to use their home or work phone.
> I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
> having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
> even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also 
> have to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even 
> during a power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because 
> all the towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my 
> family who live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power 
> line and it took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire 
> time the cell tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared 
> chances are you run out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but 
> that is what external batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up 
> and you can charge your iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe 
> weather event chances are telephone lines are going to be down as well so 
> there are probably situations where cell phones work and landlines do not.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are 
> cell phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and 
> their work phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I 
> retired.  We have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and 
> find the cell service is down or the battery is down, etc.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
> Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
> Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
> think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
> that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
> you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
> I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
> attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone 
> app. For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that 
> you could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also 
> by "Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
> particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that 
> person/number. Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all 
> and delete, that only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can 
> either delete individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls 
> list, it makes no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then 
> select to clear them, it still clears the entire call list.
> I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently 
> I am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be 
> very difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.
>  
> As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is 
> the following scenario:
>  
> 1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, 
> home phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
> 2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
> 3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, 
> home phone, fax number or mobile"
>  
> It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
> typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone 
> and you 

Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Esther Levegnale]

hi Richard, and everyone, I also have a landline, and won't give it up. I like 
the idea of having a land line, because something could also happen to a smart 
phone as well. That did happen to me a couple of years ago. recently, I could 
not send the email, and had to contact my email provider. It was fixed in a 
jiffy. I was certainly grateful for that. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 1, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are 
> cell phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and 
> their work phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I 
> retired.  We have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and 
> find the cell service is down or the battery is down, etc.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
> – Jane Wagner
>  
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
> Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
> Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
> think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
> that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
> you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
> I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
> attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone 
> app. For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that 
> you could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also 
> by "Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
> particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that 
> person/number. Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all 
> and delete, that only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can 
> either delete individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls 
> list, it makes no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then 
> select to clear them, it still clears the entire call list.
> I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently 
> I am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be 
> very difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.
>  
> As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is 
> the following scenario:
>  
> 1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, 
> home phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
> 2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
> 3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, 
> home phone, fax number or mobile"
>  
> It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
> typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone 
> and you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
> And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
> johnsm...@gmail.com, SIRI often also includes this in the list. Of course I 
> can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage enabled you can send 
> an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should ask if you want to 
> use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI falls short of what 
> it should be after 11 years of being around.
> At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add 
> a Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple 
> Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year 
> you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last 
> name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
>  
> The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
> an iPhone.
> when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, 
> or a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There 
> is a Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
> Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
> Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
> contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
> if it was work.  
> The same thing with Email 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Sieghard Weitzel]

$20 a month over 3 years is $720 which goes a good way towards a new iPhone and 
since nowadays it is no problem to keep an iPhone for 4 years one could say 
that what many spend on a landline would pay for their new iPhone. Anyways, 
probably enough discussion about landlines which are only related to iPhones in 
a very small way.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

Land lines are cheap now, about $20 a month with unlimited long distance.  Of 
course not everyone can afford even this cheap price.  And as Sieghard says, it 
can be confusing if people have both numbers.  Sometimes they text the land 
line.   Again, as Sieghard says, to each his own preference.

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

And to use consumer advocate Clark Howard think, that was $384 a year that I 
could use somewhere else. Multiply that by about 8 and a half now. And to think 
that I have free long distance in the United States. Wow.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

To each their own, if I know I want to have a long chat with somebody and I 
don't want to use speakerphone I simply use the wired Apple Earpods, this way I 
can get up and walk around if I want, it makes it easy to pick up another call 
if there is one and it's comfortable. Sure, if you have a cordless phone you 
can also walk around, but it's still another gadget I don't need.
I personally find entering numbers on my phone not that difficult, but if you 
have a Bluetooth keyboard especially if it's something like a Logitech K780 
with a numeric pad then you can use that to enter your bank card number or 
credit card number etc. I just made sure this still works and called Mastercard 
and it was no problem to press 1 on the numeric pad for English and then to 
quickly punch in my 16-digit card number and it's just as easy as using the 
phone dialpad.
AS I said, everybody has to decide what they want, but the extra cost for a 
landline is just not worth it to me and in addition everybody knows that I have 
one personal phone number so nobody calls my landline, then maybe I'm not home 
so they then try my cell number etc. .

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: September 1, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[sherrywells1157]

Land lines are cheap now, about $20 a month with unlimited long distance.  Of 
course not everyone can afford even this cheap price.  And as Sieghard says, it 
can be confusing if people have both numbers.  Sometimes they text the land 
line.   Again, as Sieghard says, to each his own preference.

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

And to use consumer advocate Clark Howard think, that was $384 a year that I 
could use somewhere else. Multiply that by about 8 and a half now. And to think 
that I have free long distance in the United States. Wow. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

To each their own, if I know I want to have a long chat with somebody and I 
don't want to use speakerphone I simply use the wired Apple Earpods, this way I 
can get up and walk around if I want, it makes it easy to pick up another call 
if there is one and it's comfortable. Sure, if you have a cordless phone you 
can also walk around, but it's still another gadget I don't need.

I personally find entering numbers on my phone not that difficult, but if you 
have a Bluetooth keyboard especially if it's something like a Logitech K780 
with a numeric pad then you can use that to enter your bank card number or 
credit card number etc. I just made sure this still works and called Mastercard 
and it was no problem to press 1 on the numeric pad for English and then to 
quickly punch in my 16-digit card number and it's just as easy as using the 
phone dialpad.

AS I said, everybody has to decide what they want, but the extra cost for a 
landline is just not worth it to me and in addition everybody knows that I have 
one personal phone number so nobody calls my landline, then maybe I'm not home 
so they then try my cell number etc. .

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: September 1, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com  
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com  
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

One of the  things that amazed 

Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Arnold Schmidt]

And to use consumer advocate Clark Howard think, that was $384 a year that I 
could use somewhere else. Multiply that by about 8 and a half now. And to think 
that I have free long distance in the United States. Wow. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


To each their own, if I know I want to have a long chat with somebody and I 
don't want to use speakerphone I simply use the wired Apple Earpods, this way I 
can get up and walk around if I want, it makes it easy to pick up another call 
if there is one and it's comfortable. Sure, if you have a cordless phone you 
can also walk around, but it's still another gadget I don't need.
I personally find entering numbers on my phone not that difficult, but if you 
have a Bluetooth keyboard especially if it's something like a Logitech K780 
with a numeric pad then you can use that to enter your bank card number or 
credit card number etc. I just made sure this still works and called Mastercard 
and it was no problem to press 1 on the numeric pad for English and then to 
quickly punch in my 16-digit card number and it's just as easy as using the 
phone dialpad.
AS I said, everybody has to decide what they want, but the extra cost for a 
landline is just not worth it to me and in addition everybody knows that I have 
one personal phone number so nobody calls my landline, then maybe I'm not home 
so they then try my cell number etc. .
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: September 1, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!
 
Sherry Wells
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Sieghard Weitzel]

To each their own, if I know I want to have a long chat with somebody and I 
don't want to use speakerphone I simply use the wired Apple Earpods, this way I 
can get up and walk around if I want, it makes it easy to pick up another call 
if there is one and it's comfortable. Sure, if you have a cordless phone you 
can also walk around, but it's still another gadget I don't need.
I personally find entering numbers on my phone not that difficult, but if you 
have a Bluetooth keyboard especially if it's something like a Logitech K780 
with a numeric pad then you can use that to enter your bank card number or 
credit card number etc. I just made sure this still works and called Mastercard 
and it was no problem to press 1 on the numeric pad for English and then to 
quickly punch in my 16-digit card number and it's just as easy as using the 
phone dialpad.
AS I said, everybody has to decide what they want, but the extra cost for a 
landline is just not worth it to me and in addition everybody knows that I have 
one personal phone number so nobody calls my landline, then maybe I'm not home 
so they then try my cell number etc. .

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: September 1, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Mich Verrier]

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com  
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.

I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.

I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before 

Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Maria Campbell]

I also have a landline, because all billing and banking services use the 
number as identification.  And yes, pushing buttons on the landline is a 
heck of a lot easier than on the iPhone.  Talking is also more stable on 
the landline.





Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 9/1/2021 2:00 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:


*I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often 
pace while talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I 
move slightly away from the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call 
on a land line.  Lastly I love using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I 
can punch the buttons much faster than I can swipe.  This enables me 
to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying down on the counter 
while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  Having said all 
this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!*


**

*Sherry Wells*

**

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *llump...@austin.rr.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a 
contact


I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not 
much of a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most 
cells. There are effects that I find unpleasant.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Star Gazer

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a 
contact


Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped 
working, didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now 
just don’t have one. I never thought this would happen.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Arnold Schmidt

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was 
how quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my 
billing cycle was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out 
why I needed it any more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not 
missed it.


Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > wrote:




Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.


I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and 
Mobile (work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these 
labels should also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you 
say "text John Smith" and by default the mobile number should be used 
and I don't see any point in giving people the option to use their 
home or work phone.


I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall 
ever having been in a situation where I desperately needed one. 
  For me even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste 
of money, then I also have to have a cordless phone or something like 
that and these days even during a power outage cell networks usually 
stay up for a long time because all the towers have battery backup and 
all that. In early July I visited my family who live on a remote Ranch 
and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it took 5 days for 
the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell tower 
was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you 
run out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is 
what external batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up 
and you can charge your iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a 
severe weather event chances are telephone lines are going to be down 
as well so there are probably situations where cell phones work and 
landlines do not.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Richard Turner

*Sent:* September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones 
are cell phones. Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a 
landline, and their work phone is often a cell phone also.  That was 
true for me before I retired.  We have kept our landline because I 
don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell service is down or the 
battery is down, etc.


Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
with it.” 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[sherrywells1157]

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.

I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.

I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

It also depends on which method you use for your 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[llumpkin]

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.

I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.

I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.

Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc. 

I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all 

RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Star Gazer]

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2


On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.

I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.

I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.

Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc. 

I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.

I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

 

As for 

Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Arnold Schmidt]

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.
 
 
 
Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner
 
My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact
 
It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.
 
As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:
 
1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"
 
It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 

RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.   For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
johnsm...@gmail.com, SIRI often also includes this 
in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage 
enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should 
ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI 
falls 

RE: Bluetooth earpiece

[scribbles.mn]

This is actually funny because, I have the same as you but if I hold the mute 
button, the headset goes into pairing mode?

Marie

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth earpiece

 

Hi Dennis and Mary, 

You do not have the same model as I do.

Mine has no slide switch. The power on/off is right on the hinge if you will, 
of the earpiece and boom microphone. There are three buttons on the microphone 
that are in the same order as what you describe.

And oddly enough, the mute button when held is for Siri.

This has a magnetic connection for the charger.

So, it could be we have the same brand, but they made some slight change?

Again, this is the GEESTRAC HSP-B3.

I will check if there is a more detailed model number.

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com  

 





On Aug 31, 2021, at 3:19 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 That is right.

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone SE 





On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:16 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, Dennis. Yes, I have the same one. That was going to be my guess, the 
order you named based on what I saw and the fact that the top one being a slide 
switch almost had to be on and off. Which one invokes Siri? I guess it must be 
that mute button.

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 31, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

 

Hey Mary i hope this helps.Assuming you have the same one as me and Richard 
they are 

1 all the way at the top is power is a slide switch. Down is on up towards your 
head is off. 

below that ar 2 buttons 1 at the top is volume up below that is volume down. 

below the volume down is mute.

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone SE 





On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:05 PM, Mary Otten mailto:maryot...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Recently, there was discussion on this list about a Bluetooth earpiece that 
richard and Dennis, and possibly others, have bought recently. I bought one 
from Amazon which came today. I wonder what the order of those buttons is that 
are on the ear peace. There are four of them. Mine is charging right now. I 
know you get a mute button and I believe two volume buttons and I presume the 
other one is on and off. I suppose trial and error will allow me to figure that 
out but I thought I would ask anyway. Did I read somewhere that the mute button 
also acts as a Siri button? That doesn’t seem to make too much sense, so 
probably not remembering correctly.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Making sure messages are synchronized

[Richard Turner]

Did you set up the iPad email as a device that could receive messages on the 
iPhone?
You have to set it up on both machines.

IF it still isn't working, call Apple Accessibility and they should be able to 
sort this out.  877-204-3930

HTH,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


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Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:05 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Making sure messages are synchronized

Hello everybody,
When setting up my iPad as a brand new one, one thing I wanted to make sure was 
that my contacts and text messages would come up on both devices. They come up 
on my watch just fine.
My messages are not coming through on the iPad yet.
I went to iCloud, made sure that messages was turned on when being backed up. I 
went to Settings for the Messages app, and I made sure that iMessages was 
turned on and that Message Forwarding was turned on as well.
Then, when setting up my iPad, I set it up manually, but I got many of my apps 
and such from an iPhone backup from iCloud.
I have several text message threads on my iPhone, but none of them are on the 
iPad, except for one iMessage which I deleted.
Am I forgetting anything important? I did the research and work but I guess I 
didn't get something right.
Tom

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Re: Spacial audio support on clubhouse

[LeDon Becker]

I have a IPhone 8 with a Bluetooth headset and spadeful sound works for me. Isab

Get Outlook for iOS

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Struve 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 1:56:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Spacial audio support on clubhouse

Your right, I'm on clubhouse right now on my iPhone SE220 and it works. It 
didn't work Sunday but it does now yay! Glad I'm wrong.

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> It works on the SE 2020 and 11, 12, and perhaps even the 10's but I'm not 
> sure of that.
>
>
>
> Richard
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lelia 
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> Hi, I'm not sure it works on all iPhones. I have an SE and as of two days 
> ago, it didn't work on mine.   I had a theory that the spatial audio only 
> worked on iPhones 11 and above but I'm not sure.
>
> Lelia
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>> On Aug 29, 2021, at 5:07 PM, Gordon  wrote:
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>> So Clubhouse pushed out an update earlier for IOS that offers spacial audio 
>> support. It doesn't work on all blue tooth head sets, but it works well on 
>> most wired headsets I tried. If you don't like it, you can turn it off in 
>> your profile area. It sounds like you're all sitting at a big conference 
>> table and you hear people around you. To check this out, update to the 
>> latest version of clubhouse that came out this afternoon.
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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Jim Portillo]

Agreed, Richard. And now, you’ve got a personal cell, a work cell, etc.

Recently, they did away with our actual office phones and are making us do this 
new telephone thing via our computers using Teams. And, it will forward to our 
work cell phones as well.

I actually still have a land line, only because it wasn’t going to cost extra 
to keep it or save me any money to get rid of it. Go figure. I get both my land 
line and internet through my phone company.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.

 

 

 

Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

 

My Web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.

Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc. 

I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.

I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

 

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

 

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person

2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"

3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

 

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.

And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
johnsm...@gmail.com  , SIRI often also includes 
this in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has 
iMessage enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best 
it should ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where 
SIRI falls short of what it should be after 11 years of being around.

At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add a 
Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple 
Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year 
you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last 
name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

 

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone. 

when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label 

RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Richard Turner]

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
johnsm...@gmail.com, SIRI often also includes this 
in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage 
enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should 
ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI 
falls short of what it should be after 11 years of being around.
At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add a 
Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple 
Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year 
you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last 
name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com


On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may 

RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
johnsm...@gmail.com, SIRI often also includes this 
in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage 
enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should 
ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI 
falls short of what it should be after 11 years of being around.
At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add a 
Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple 
Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year 
you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last 
name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com



On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and 

Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Richard Turner]

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com


On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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Live streaming on Facebook

[Rafał Marzec]

Hello everyone
I would like to make a stream from my Facebook page at the end of this week
It would be a video stream
So my question is
Is it accessible
I would like to do from my iPhone

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tom,

Yeah should be the contact details open and then up the top there is an edit 
button,
Hit that and then go down to the  mobile number and there should be two mobile 
One is a button,
Tap on it and then you should get the list you are looking for.

Good luck.

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Cramer
Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 2021 9:43 pm
To: viphone 
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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Identifying labels when making a contact

[Tom Cramer]

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember
that there was a section where you could identify someone's phone
number as being a home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch
of other options. I also remember that there was a specific choice for
an iPhone, not just a mobile phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I
was just wondering if that option still existed and how I can get
there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to
someone with an iDevice?
Tom

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Making sure messages are synchronized

[Tom Cramer]

Hello everybody,
When setting up my iPad as a brand new one, one thing I wanted to make
sure was that my contacts and text messages would come up on both
devices. They come up on my watch just fine.
My messages are not coming through on the iPad yet.
I went to iCloud, made sure that messages was turned on when being
backed up. I went to Settings for the Messages app, and I made sure
that iMessages was turned on and that Message Forwarding was turned on
as well.
Then, when setting up my iPad, I set it up manually, but I got many of
my apps and such from an iPhone backup from iCloud.
I have several text message threads on my iPhone, but none of them are
on the iPad, except for one iMessage which I deleted.
Am I forgetting anything important? I did the research and work but I
guess I didn't get something right.
Tom

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Re: iPad 8th generation and VoiceOver

[Tom Cramer]

Hello everybody,
I owe everyone on this list a huge apology. My question showed just
how dumb I was. The iPad I bought was indeed an iPad 8th generation
and not the iPad Air. However, if I had paid closer attention, I would
have seen the Home button where I had always expected it to be. I
don't know how I overlooked it, but I did. And, with a few questions
answered, I was able to get my iPad set up. Now, I can use my phone
for some things and not completely wear it out as my universal device.
I will pay closer attention before I ask my questions, because all of
you are very helpful, and you should not have to put up with a
careless mistake like mine. Thank you for being willing.
I will be asking another question, but this is definitely one I can't
seem to figure out.
Tom

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RE: Apple acquires Primephonic classical music streaming service to improve Apple Music

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I doubt it, but since probably nobody knows right now you have to wait and see 
or maybe Google "News about Primephonic" from time to time and see if 
MacRumours, 9to5Mac, Tech Radar or whoever else wrote anything about it.

Also, if you have any Sonos gear, several classical music services including 
Primephonic are offered, below are their names and a brief description:

Classical Archives: Enjoy unlimited access to the largest collection of 
classical music in the world! Expertly organised and curated now on Sonos.
Idagio: Discover classical music in lossless quality (FLAC). Listen to the 
latest albums, exclusive releases and playlists created by our expert curators
Primephonic: Navigate the most complete classical catalogue in the world and 
listen to hundreds of different recordings from your favourite work.

Keep in mind that these are all paid services, Sonos as far as I know offers 
support for the largest collection of services both paid and free, this 
includes access to your Audible library, AudioBooks.com, BookMate, Libby as 
well as podcast streams, Sirius XM and many more, all in all over 80 services 
and the good thing is that they all seem to be accessible through the Sonos app.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: August 31, 2021 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple acquires Primephonic classical music streaming service to 
improve Apple Music

Will this be a separate app and separate library? Can I get it on my PC?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 5:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple acquires Primephonic classical music streaming service to 
improve Apple Music


The impression I have is no. It’s part of Apple music.

SentApple is competing with other music services Apple is competing with other 
music services, and this is a move to make them more attractive. Making you pay 
for it wouldn’t exactly do that.
 from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2021, at 3:21 PM, 
llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Will we have to subscribe to and pay for this?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple acquires Primephonic classical music streaming service to 
improve Apple Music

Absolutely! Regular streaming services get classical music very very wrong. 
Prime phonic did a great job, although it could’ve been more accessible. I’m 
hoping that with the Apple acquisition of prime phonic, they will fix the 
accessibility shortcomings and still give us great access in a way that we can 
actually make efficient use of the service. I have high hopes

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 30, 2021, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The article states fairly clearly why they are going to offer a dedicated app 
for classical music fans and it sounds to me that you can probably still listen 
to classical music via the Music app, but if you are a true classical music 
connoisseur, you know where the Music app falls short and where this service 
and the new app will shine, it says this:

Digital music can be challenging to manage on streaming services—the metadata 
system for music files was created with popular music in mind. Apple made some 
improvements years ago when Apple Music was called iTunes, but it still was 
frustrating for classical music listeners. With the Primephonic acquisition, 
Apple says it can provide a better experience, with the ability to search by 
composer and repertoire, as well as “detailed displays of classical music 
metadata, plus new features and benefits.”

I bet you that classical music lovers will rejoice when the dedicated app will 
be available especially if it is as good as Apple claims it will be and this is 
not so different from when Apple moved audio books from the music app to the 
Books app.
.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: August 30, 2021 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple acquires Primephonic classical music streaming service to 
improve Apple Music

I guess I’m curious why, at least according to the article, Apple is going to 
be releasing a separate app for classical music? Why is this even necessary? 
Why can’t it be incorporated into Apple Music? I am definitely going to be 
writing to Apple about this. Thanks for the link to the article, it was very 
interesting.
Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.



On Aug 30, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is awesome news in my opinion. As long