RE: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Simon A Fogarty]

Listening to this thread 

I can't see apple putting Audio Discription in to their fitness videos 

Although to us it wouldn't be difficult,
It would be to an audio description narrator 
I think you'll find the videos are created  by the instructors on contracts to 
apple 
And then streamed or played within the fitness app.
You'd have to find a narrator that had the knowledge to speak the fitness speak 
at the speed each of the exercises was being carried out.

And also be able to change at the right time / speed of the instructors in the 
exercises.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2021 4:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

Arnold,
Your response is exactly why I think if they want to make this accessible, 
they’re going to have to find somebody or more than one person who can actually 
describe these things. At one point, there was a small entrepreneur company 
called wind alive. They had exercises and they had descriptions done by 
somebody who did a good job describing them so that a blind person would know 
what the heck was going on. Once you mastered that, you could do the exercises 
along with the workout stuff. I don’t know that Apple is going to be willing to 
do that. It’s not OK to suppose that a blind person is going to have the 
wherewithal to learn how to do these exercises without such description or in 
person assistance, which most of us have no access to. It’s too darn expensive. 
Hence my desire to have alternative bundles. But I guess that’s another topic. 
There’s no way I’m subscribing to apple fitness without good descriptions. 
Cited people can look and we can’t. So if they want to make it accessible, they 
will have to put in a whole lot of work. Line

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I think it could work, but the blind user would have to be willing to learn 
> the exercise nomenclature such as what is a side lateral with a weight, what 
> is a lunge, and all the other technical names of the exercises being 
> performed. Also, the blind user would have to learn how to do this stuff on 
> their own some way.  The audio describer wouldn't have time to describe what 
> all these exercises are and how to do them, there simply wouldn't be time. A  
> way sighted people learn is to watch somebody do something and then try to 
> imitate it. The blind can't do that, they either have to be told in detail 
> how to do it, or have somebody show them hands on. It is my opinion that this 
> specialized learning is not the responsibility of the describer, we would 
> need to learn it on our own some way. Some of the following names I am making 
> up, there may not be such exercises. The describer could say side stradle hop 
> while that is happening, then lunge, then backward stretch hop while that is 
> happening, etc. Many years ago, I took, as it were, an adapted aerobics class 
> and this is the way it was done. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
> 
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
> would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
> could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
> into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that 
> someone who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate 
> track, but trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a 
> trainer or coach plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? 
> I don’t know. It would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might 
> need a separate descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to 
> separately to get the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for 
> instance. And she said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not 
> have known what to do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life 
> on a rowing team. In the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more 
> flexibility in their bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, 
> you have to buy the big $30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness 
> plus, which are useless if you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ 
> are both accessible. So how about an accessibility bundle that includes the 
> things that we could actually use at a decent price? I have actually 
> suggested that to Apple accessibility, hoping that they pass it along. Why 
> should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
> For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
> should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
> how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
> from. If Apple 

RE: adapter question

[Simon A Fogarty]

Kay,

The apple earpods that you use to get with your iPhones
Have a built in microphone and don’t need a microphone 3.5mm jack in those 
adapters.

If you had an  old pair of the wired earpods around you could use those in one 
of the adapters to get what you require.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2021 4:04 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adapter question

Yes, I probably should have been more clear.  I would like to use the mic when 
I am using headphones and if I am using headphones  they would be taking up the 
lightning plug, thus I would need one on the adapter with the headphone jack.  
Kind of like what you might use if you were charging the phone wile using the 
headphone jack.  I hope this makes more sense.  By the way, thanks much for the 
link.  I'll have a look at it right away.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: adapter question

Hi Kay,
Doesn't the Zoom mic fit in the Mini Lightning port?
Anyway here is the link to the adapter that will let you use the standard 3.5 
MM headphone plugto the lightning port on the Mini.
Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter

https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MMX62AM/A
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Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com



On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 The microphone had a lightning plug on it. If you say you can buy it through 
Apple, I hate to sound like an idiot but where do I go to do this? That is 
about as cheap as I have seen or heard of. And I wouldn’t mind grabbing one. 
Thanks a bunch for coming back with the answer to this.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells for 
about $9 is the best I've seen.
What plug is on your Zoom mic?


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com



On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist 
mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all you happy people out there,
I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now I 
would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them?  
Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like one 
that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being able to 
use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated because I have 
heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor
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RE: adapter question

[Alan Lemly]

Kay,

 

So now that we have all the details, it sounds like you want an adapter with 
two lightning ports into which you can plug both a lightning microphone and a 
lightning headset. The Belkin Rockstar is an adapter with two lightning female 
ports with about a 2 inch cable and a male lightning connector. I know this 
cable will allow you to both charge with one of the ports and do something else 
with the other port but I’m not sure both the microphone and headset would work 
when plugged into it. Since the Rockstar costs about $40, you should make sure 
what you intend to do will work.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adapter question

 

Yes, I probably should have been more clear.  I would like to use the mic when 
I am using headphones and if I am using headphones  they would be taking up the 
lightning plug, thus I would need one on the adapter with the headphone jack.  
Kind of like what you might use if you were charging the phone wile using the 
headphone jack.  I hope this makes more sense.  By the way, thanks much for the 
link.  I'll have a look at it right away.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:43 PM

Subject: Re: adapter question

 

Hi Kay,

Doesn't the Zoom mic fit in the Mini Lightning port?

Anyway here is the link to the adapter that will let you use the standard 3.5 
MM headphone plugto the lightning port on the Mini. 

Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter

 

https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MMX62AM/A







 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com  

 





On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 The microphone had a lightning plug on it. If you say you can buy it through 
Apple, I hate to sound like an idiot but where do I go to do this? That is 
about as cheap as I have seen or heard of. And I wouldn’t mind grabbing one. 
Thanks a bunch for coming back with the answer to this.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells for 
about $9 is the best I've seen. 

What plug is on your Zoom mic?

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 

  

 

 

 

 

website:  www.turner42.com  

 





On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi all you happy people out there,

I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now I 
would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them?  
Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like one 
that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being able to 
use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated because I have 
heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com  

 

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Mary Otten]

It certainly is possible to subscribe to news separately. What I am suggesting 
is that since they offer the big bundle at a discount, but the assumption is 
that if you subscribe you can actually use all those things, which we can’t, 
and they offer a smaller bundle which also has stuff that we can’t use, like 
arcade, they should offer more flexible bundles. I suspect this would be useful 
for people not just us. How many people use arcade or want it? I just think 
they need to be more flexible in the bundling process. They’re offering 
discounts, but only if you’re willing to buy the big deal, or if you like 
what’s offered in the cheaper bundle. Of course it is their choice what they 
offer. But if they offered a bundle that had stuff that is actually all usable 
by us, I would get it. Music, TV, and News. Never mind fitness and never mind 
arcade. But they don’t offer that. Arcade is in everything, and it’s totally 
inaccessible, so it’s a waste.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Last time I checked I was still able to subscribe to Apple News separately 
> so unless this was a recent change it should still be possible. I actually 
> only recently subscribed to their large $30 something Canadian bundle because 
> with Apple News, Apple Music Family and Apple TV it was already pretty much 
> the price of the big bundle and my wife and I both had the 50 Gb storage as 
> well which is only $1.29 or something here in Canada, but I now also added my 
> Mom to the family group and she also had this so we are saving another $4 or 
> so.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: September 17, 2021 1:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
> would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
> could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
> into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that 
> someone who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate 
> track, but trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a 
> trainer or coach plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? 
> I don’t know. It would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might 
> need a separate descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to 
> separately to get the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for 
> instance. And she said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not 
> have known what to do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life 
> on a rowing team. In the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more 
> flexibility in their bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, 
> you have to buy the big $30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness 
> plus, which are useless if you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ 
> are both accessible. So how about an accessibility bundle that includes the 
> things that we could actually use at a decent price? I have actually 
> suggested that to Apple accessibility, hoping that they pass it along. Why 
> should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
> For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
> should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
> how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
> from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
> they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
>> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I 
>> could swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple 
>> Fitness Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with 
>> Apple so these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> CHELA Robles
>> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
>> 
>> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I 
>> just tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday 
>> and I quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during 
>> the video as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the 
>> walking workouts since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted 
>> to do the body core workouts those were not really described unfortunately 
>> there’s some really good 

Re: adapter question

[Kay Malmquist]

Yes, I probably should have been more clear.  I would like to use the mic 
when I am using headphones and if I am using headphones  they would be 
taking up the lightning plug, thus I would need one on the adapter with the 
headphone jack.  Kind of like what you might use if you were charging the 
phone wile using the headphone jack.  I hope this makes more sense.  By the 
way, thanks much for the link.  I'll have a look at it right away.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:43 PM
  Subject: Re: adapter question


  Hi Kay,
  Doesn't the Zoom mic fit in the Mini Lightning port?
  Anyway here is the link to the adapter that will let you use the standard 
3.5 MM headphone plugto the lightning port on the Mini.
  Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter


  https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MMX62AM/A






  Richard
  "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." -- Jane Wagner









  website:  www.turner42.com




On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kay Malmquist  
wrote:


 The microphone had a lightning plug on it. If you say you can buy it 
through Apple, I hate to sound like an idiot but where do I go to do this? 
That is about as cheap as I have seen or heard of. And I wouldn’t mind 
grabbing one. Thanks a bunch for coming back with the answer to this.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:


 If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells 
for about $9 is the best I've seen.
What plug is on your Zoom mic?





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." -- Jane Wagner









website:  www.turner42.com




  On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist  
wrote:


  
  Hi all you happy people out there,
  I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a 
Bluetooth headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a 
lot and now I would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I 
can use them?  Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, 
I would like one that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now 
just being able to use these head phones would be great.  Any help is 
appreciated because I have heard that cheap is not necessarily better. 
Thanks much.

  Kay Malmquist
  kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

  "Where focus goes, energy flows."
  Bob Proctor


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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Mary Otten]

Arnold,
Your response is exactly why I think if they want to make this accessible, 
they’re going to have to find somebody or more than one person who can actually 
describe these things. At one point, there was a small entrepreneur company 
called wind alive. They had exercises and they had descriptions done by 
somebody who did a good job describing them so that a blind person would know 
what the heck was going on. Once you mastered that, you could do the exercises 
along with the workout stuff. I don’t know that Apple is going to be willing to 
do that. It’s not OK to suppose that a blind person is going to have the 
wherewithal to learn how to do these exercises without such description or in 
person assistance, which most of us have no access to. It’s too darn expensive. 
Hence my desire to have alternative bundles. But I guess that’s another topic. 
There’s no way I’m subscribing to apple fitness without good descriptions. 
Cited people can look and we can’t. So if they want to make it accessible, they 
will have to put in a whole lot of work. Line

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I think it could work, but the blind user would have to be willing to learn 
> the exercise nomenclature such as what is a side lateral with a weight, what 
> is a lunge, and all the other technical names of the exercises being 
> performed. Also, the blind user would have to learn how to do this stuff on 
> their own some way.  The audio describer wouldn't have time to describe what 
> all these exercises are and how to do them, there simply wouldn't be time. A  
> way sighted people learn is to watch somebody do something and then try to 
> imitate it. The blind can't do that, they either have to be told in detail 
> how to do it, or have somebody show them hands on. It is my opinion that this 
> specialized learning is not the responsibility of the describer, we would 
> need to learn it on our own some way. Some of the following names I am making 
> up, there may not be such exercises. The describer could say side stradle hop 
> while that is happening, then lunge, then backward stretch hop while that is 
> happening, etc. Many years ago, I took, as it were, an adapted aerobics class 
> and this is the way it was done. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
> 
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
> would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
> could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
> into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that 
> someone who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate 
> track, but trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a 
> trainer or coach plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? 
> I don’t know. It would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might 
> need a separate descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to 
> separately to get the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for 
> instance. And she said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not 
> have known what to do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life 
> on a rowing team. In the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more 
> flexibility in their bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, 
> you have to buy the big $30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness 
> plus, which are useless if you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ 
> are both accessible. So how about an accessibility bundle that includes the 
> things that we could actually use at a decent price? I have actually 
> suggested that to Apple accessibility, hoping that they pass it along. Why 
> should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
> For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
> should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
> how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
> from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
> they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
>> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I 
>> could swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple 
>> Fitness Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with 
>> Apple so these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
>> Robles
>> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 

Re: adapter question

[Richard Turner]

Hi Kay,
Doesn't the Zoom mic fit in the Mini Lightning port?
Anyway here is the link to the adapter that will let you use the standard 3.5 
MM headphone plugto the lightning port on the Mini.
Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter

https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MMX62AM/A
[cid:D6692CCE-D09B-4B80-9715-DD303443723F]



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com


On Sep 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:

 The microphone had a lightning plug on it. If you say you can buy it through 
Apple, I hate to sound like an idiot but where do I go to do this? That is 
about as cheap as I have seen or heard of. And I wouldn’t mind grabbing one. 
Thanks a bunch for coming back with the answer to this.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells for 
about $9 is the best I've seen.
What plug is on your Zoom mic?



Richard
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On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:


Hi all you happy people out there,
I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now I 
would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them?  
Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like one 
that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being able to 
use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated because I have 
heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
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Re: adapter question

[Kay Malmquist]

The microphone had a lightning plug on it. If you say you can buy it through 
Apple, I hate to sound like an idiot but where do I go to do this? That is 
about as cheap as I have seen or heard of. And I wouldn’t mind grabbing one. 
Thanks a bunch for coming back with the answer to this.

Kay Malmquist
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On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells for 
about $9 is the best I've seen.
What plug is on your Zoom mic?



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner 
  




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> On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all you happy people out there,
> I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
> headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now I 
> would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them?  
> Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like 
> one that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being 
> able to use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated 
> because I have heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>  
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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Re: adapter question

[Richard Turner]

If you are talking just the 3.5 MM to lightning, the one Apple sells for about 
$9 is the best I've seen.
What plug is on your Zoom mic?



Richard
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On Sep 17, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:


Hi all you happy people out there,
I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now I 
would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them?  
Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like one 
that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being able to 
use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated because I have 
heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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adapter question

[Kay Malmquist]

Hi all you happy people out there,
I just got my iPhone 12 mini up and running.  Yes,I do have a Bluetooth 
headphone that I like but I also have a wired pair that I use a lot and now 
I would like to know what is the best adapter to buy so that I can use them? 
Just the straight adapter would be fine for now.  Eventually, I would like 
one that I could possibly plug my Zoom mike in to, but for now just being 
able to use these head phones would be great.  Any help is appreciated 
because I have heard that cheap is not necessarily better.  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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Bob Proctor

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RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Kelly,

Hey with the hacks that are out,

I might be watching you! Rotfl 

But really, couldn't you have used meatloafs bat out of hell?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2021 5:53 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event

Simon,

How did you know I have a ringtone of Mötley Crüe’s   Kickstart My
Heart as a ringtone? It starts with a guitar sounding like a motorcycle 
kickstart.

Kelly



On 9/16/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Here part of an article on 9to5Mac:
>
> For 14 years, our partnership with (RED) has led to almost $250 
> million in donations to fund HIV/AIDS treatment programs. Now through 
> June 30, Apple is working with (RED) to redirect 100 percent of 
> eligible proceeds from (PRODUCT)RED purchases to the Global Fund’s 
> COVID‑19 Response. This will provide critical support to health 
> systems most threatened by the outbreak and, in turn, help preserve 
> lifesaving HIV/AIDS programs in sub-Saharan Africa.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: September 16, 2021 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>
> Is it covid 19
> I thought it was toward  aids research.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Friday, 17 September 2021 7:25 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>
> All due respect to fashion, but if you get a red phone, you are now 
> contributing 10% of the purchase price to fighting the global Covid-19 
> pandemic. That was why I got a red iPhone 11 last year.
>
> Kindly,
> Wayne Merritt
>
> On 9/16/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Oh yes, to my delight, I read the sky blue - F I N E!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> Carolyn,
>> IN a later message, I pointed out that my wife said the Sierra Blue 
>> is a light Sky Blue...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>> with it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> I was hoping the blue was sky blue.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 7:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> Simon,
>> You have to remember, Apple makes up names for their colors.
>> My wife describes Sierra Blue as a light Sky Blue.  All of their 
>> colors, she says, are in the pastel hews.
>> It is only on the 13 pro and pro max.
>>
>> The regular 13 and 13 mini have Midnight, which is basically black.
>> They also have a "blue" that is a darker blue than the Sierra Blue.
>> Interesting they don't make up a name for the regular blue...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>> with it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> t 
>> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C00970930920a4f96fa5608d9792a0867
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> What is  the sierra blue?
>>
>> Having had sight till 22 I have a pretty good I think understanding 
>> of colours but it's not one I've heard of before.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2021 2:43 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> How about Sierra Blue?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>> with it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> t 
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>> % 
>> 

Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Arnold Schmidt]

I think it could work, but the blind user would have to be willing to learn the 
exercise nomenclature such as what is a side lateral with a weight, what is a 
lunge, and all the other technical names of the exercises being performed. 
Also, the blind user would have to learn how to do this stuff on their own some 
way.  The audio describer wouldn't have time to describe what all these 
exercises are and how to do them, there simply wouldn't be time. A  way sighted 
people learn is to watch somebody do something and then try to imitate it. The 
blind can't do that, they either have to be told in detail how to do it, or 
have somebody show them hands on. It is my opinion that this specialized 
learning is not the responsibility of the describer, we would need to learn it 
on our own some way. Some of the following names I am making up, there may not 
be such exercises. The describer could say side stradle hop while that is 
happening, then lunge, then backward stretch hop while that is happening, etc. 
Many years ago, I took, as it were, an adapted aerobics class and this is the 
way it was done. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that someone 
who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate track, but 
trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a trainer or coach 
plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? I don’t know. It 
would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might need a separate 
descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to separately to get 
the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for instance. And she 
said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not have known what to 
do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life on a rowing team. In 
the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more flexibility in their 
bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, you have to buy the big 
$30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness plus, which are useless if 
you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ are both accessible. So how 
about an accessibility bundle that includes the things that we could actually 
use at a decent price? I have actually suggested that to Apple accessibility, 
hoping that they pass it along. Why should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I could 
> swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple Fitness 
> Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with Apple so 
> these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I just 
> tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday and I 
> quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during the video 
> as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the walking workouts 
> since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted to do the body 
> core workouts those were not really described unfortunately there’s some 
> really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not being 
> described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for me 
> since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. Sorry 
> I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple fitness 
> plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one subscription that 
> has four services in one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>> so, how was / is your experience?
>> 
>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>> appears in all of 

Re: What is Vertical Navigation

[Mike B.]

Also, if you're in an app and you go over to the right edge of the home 
screen, let's say in the App store, doing an update, you will find Vertical 
Navigation and Voiceover will report, vertical navigation, 9 pages.  Now 
just flick down with 1 finger 1 flick at a time to navigate the page 
structure mor quickly.  This comes in very handy in apps like, Settings, 
where you can swipe until the cows come home to find the app you're looking 
for, but if you use vertical navigation you get to know how many flicks it 
takes to get you close to apps you go to often.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: What is Vertical Navigation


If you are on the first row of your home screen, on the second icon.  If you 
turn the rotor to vertical navigation and flick down, you will land on the 
second icon in each row.  You are going straight down the column.

It works anywhere you have columns.

HTH,







Richard

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it.” – Jane Wagner



My Web site: https://www.turner42.com





From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
danneyya...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 4:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is Vertical Navigation



Saw this as an option for rotor and wondered what it was.

Dan

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RE: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Last time I checked I was still able to subscribe to Apple News separately so 
unless this was a recent change it should still be possible. I actually only 
recently subscribed to their large $30 something Canadian bundle because with 
Apple News, Apple Music Family and Apple TV it was already pretty much the 
price of the big bundle and my wife and I both had the 50 Gb storage as well 
which is only $1.29 or something here in Canada, but I now also added my Mom to 
the family group and she also had this so we are saving another $4 or so.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: September 17, 2021 1:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that someone 
who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate track, but 
trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a trainer or coach 
plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? I don’t know. It 
would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might need a separate 
descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to separately to get 
the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for instance. And she 
said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not have known what to 
do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life on a rowing team. In 
the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more flexibility in their 
bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, you have to buy the big 
$30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness plus, which are useless if 
you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ are both accessible. So how 
about an accessibility bundle that includes the things that we could actually 
use at a decent price? I have actually suggested that to Apple accessibility, 
hoping that they pass it along. Why should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I could 
> swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple Fitness 
> Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with Apple so 
> these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I just 
> tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday and I 
> quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during the video 
> as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the walking workouts 
> since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted to do the body 
> core workouts those were not really described unfortunately there’s some 
> really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not being 
> described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for me 
> since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. Sorry 
> I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple fitness 
> plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one subscription that 
> has four services in one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>> so, how was / is your experience?
>> 
>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
>> 
>> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
>> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the 
>> forum.
>> 
>> I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Mary Otten]

This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that someone 
who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate track, but 
trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a trainer or coach 
plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? I don’t know. It 
would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might need a separate 
descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to separately to get 
the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for instance. And she 
said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not have known what to 
do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life on a rowing team. In 
the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more flexibility in their 
bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, you have to buy the big 
$30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness plus, which are useless if 
you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ are both accessible. So how 
about an accessibility bundle that includes the things that we could actually 
use at a decent price? I have actually suggested that to Apple accessibility, 
hoping that they pass it along. Why should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I could 
> swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple Fitness 
> Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with Apple so 
> these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I just 
> tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday and I 
> quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during the video 
> as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the walking workouts 
> since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted to do the body 
> core workouts those were not really described unfortunately there’s some 
> really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not being 
> described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for me 
> since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. Sorry 
> I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple fitness 
> plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one subscription that 
> has four services in one.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>> so, how was / is your experience?
>> 
>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
>> 
>> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
>> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the 
>> forum.
>> 
>> I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: Instacart 7.93.0 issues Don't Update.

[Lelia Struve]

Hi I noticed some of what you said and I also noticed that when your in the buy 
it again screen you can't get out of it unless you close and reopen the app.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2021, at 11:46 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully it is just me, but I don't think so. After updating, I could not 
> read what she needed to replace, it just said elipsis, I got that figured out 
> another way. But when I tried to rate my order, it just said star rather than 
> telling me how many stars it was. Finally, when I found a text field to send 
> them a message about it, not only would braille screen input not work in it, 
> when I wanted to correct something, I could not edit it. I do hope they get 
> my message and fix this stuff. It is still useable, but not like before. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
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RE: Instacart 7.93.0 issues Don't Update.

[Robin Frost]

Hi Arnold and all,
I just encountered the change in rating and I will report the issue to them as 
well. I took a chance and figured out the sequence in which the stars were in 
but I agree it isn't as easy as the picker. Further when requesting a refund 
the elements for choosing account credit or credit to original method of 
payment don't report their change in status when you select one so you have to 
hope you've gotten it right. Please join me in politely reporting these things 
to them.  It's been my experience that once reported things are addressed 
quickly. Here's hoping that continues. During my delivery today items that 
needed replacing still did report properly though I can't verify which version 
of the app is installed I haven't found that just yet.
Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Instacart 7.93.0 issues Don't Update.

Hopefully it is just me, but I don't think so. After updating, I could not read 
what she needed to replace, it just said elipsis, I got that figured out 
another way. But when I tried to rate my order, it just said star rather than 
telling me how many stars it was. Finally, when I found a text field to send 
them a message about it, not only would braille screen input not work in it, 
when I wanted to correct something, I could not edit it. I do hope they get my 
message and fix this stuff. It is still useable, but not like before. 

Arnold Schmidt 


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RE: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I could 
swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple Fitness 
Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with Apple so 
these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I just 
tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday and I 
quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during the video 
as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the walking workouts 
since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted to do the body core 
workouts those were not really described unfortunately there’s some really good 
cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not being described as far as 
the movements go. The walking ones are easier for me since all I have to do is 
walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. Sorry I can’t be very helpful. I 
only just recently started using Apple fitness plus whatever it’s called since 
I already have an Apple one subscription that has four services in one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
> so, how was / is your experience?
> 
> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
> 
> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the forum.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event

[Kelly Pierce]

Simon,

How did you know I have a ringtone of Mötley Crüe’s   Kickstart My
Heart as a ringtone? It starts with a guitar sounding like a
motorcycle kickstart.

Kelly



On 9/16/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Here part of an article on 9to5Mac:
>
> For 14 years, our partnership with (RED) has led to almost $250 million in
> donations to fund HIV/AIDS treatment programs. Now through June 30, Apple is
> working with (RED) to redirect 100 percent of eligible proceeds from
> (PRODUCT)RED purchases to the Global Fund’s COVID‑19 Response. This will
> provide critical support to health systems most threatened by the outbreak
> and, in turn, help preserve lifesaving HIV/AIDS programs in sub-Saharan
> Africa.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon
> A Fogarty
> Sent: September 16, 2021 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>
> Is it covid 19
> I thought it was toward  aids research.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne
> Merritt
> Sent: Friday, 17 September 2021 7:25 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>
> All due respect to fashion, but if you get a red phone, you are now
> contributing 10% of the purchase price to fighting the global Covid-19
> pandemic. That was why I got a red iPhone 11 last year.
>
> Kindly,
> Wayne Merritt
>
> On 9/16/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Oh yes, to my delight, I read the sky blue - F I N E!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 12:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> Carolyn,
>> IN a later message, I pointed out that my wife said the Sierra Blue is
>> a light Sky Blue...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 8:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> I was hoping the blue was sky blue.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 7:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> Simon,
>> You have to remember, Apple makes up names for their colors.
>> My wife describes Sierra Blue as a light Sky Blue.  All of their
>> colors, she says, are in the pastel hews.
>> It is only on the 13 pro and pro max.
>>
>> The regular 13 and 13 mini have Midnight, which is basically black.
>> They also have a "blue" that is a darker blue than the Sierra Blue.
>> Interesting they don't make up a name for the regular blue...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C00970930920a4f96fa5608d9792a0867%
>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637674043710074857%7CUnkn
>> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=tnbW40wFXBOusq9GMHbCA1K2zCJyUl4yi0Jz1q
>> uf4%2BI%3Dreserved=0
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> What is  the sierra blue?
>>
>> Having had sight till 22 I have a pretty good I think understanding of
>> colours but it's not one I've heard of before.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2021 2:43 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Initial thoughts after today's Apple Event
>>
>> How about Sierra Blue?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it.”
>> – Jane Wagner
>>
>> My Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C00970930920a4f96fa5608d9792a0867%
>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637674043710084814%7CUnkn
>> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=tno%2BTEYJ8H7lq3iMuJd84Ay2pao%2B%2FSMU
>> hhK3JWQGjX4%3Dreserved=0
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 7:42 AM
>> To: 

Instacart 7.93.0 issues Don't Update.

[Arnold Schmidt]

Hopefully it is just me, but I don't think so. After updating, I could not read 
what she needed to replace, it just said elipsis, I got that figured out 
another way. But when I tried to rate my order, it just said star rather than 
telling me how many stars it was. Finally, when I found a text field to send 
them a message about it, not only would braille screen input not work in it, 
when I wanted to correct something, I could not edit it. I do hope they get my 
message and fix this stuff. It is still useable, but not like before. 

Arnold Schmidt 


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RE: How can I turn off the curtain?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi a 3 finger triple tap will turn off the curton. Hth. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: September 17, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How can I turn off the curtain?

 

Hello,

 

My iPhone 6S has the curtain on, and I don’t remember how to turn it off.

4 fingers 4 taps? I tried this, but it didn’t work out.

 

Rena

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Re: How can I turn off the curtain?

[Holly]

Rina:

Three finger triple tap.  Be sure not to do a three finger double tap or you 
will turn off speech.  If you happen to do this accidently, just do a three 
finger double tap to toggle speech back on.

Good luck.

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RE: How can I turn off the curtain?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

Three finger triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How can I turn off the curtain?

Hello,

My iPhone 6S has the curtain on, and I don't remember how to turn it off.
4 fingers 4 taps? I tried this, but it didn't work out.

Rena
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How can I turn off the curtain?

[Rena]

Hello,

 

My iPhone 6S has the curtain on, and I don't remember how to turn it off.

4 fingers 4 taps? I tried this, but it didn't work out.

 

Rena

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Hunter Sprinkler Timer Accessibility

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

We are looking into getting a new timer for our sprinkler system.  The company 
who is doing some work on our sprinklers is recommending the Hydrawise system 
from Hunter.  Can anyone comment on its accessibility?

If anyone has other recommendations, that would also be appreciated.  I believe 
I recall Rachio previously being mentioned as being fairly accessible.

Thanks for any thoughts on this.

Pam


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The sling tv app accessability:

[Don Breda]

I am considering the purchase of an air TV 2 unit for streaming the over 
the air local channels.



This requires the use of the sling tv app.


I haven't looked at that app in a few years.


Are there accessibility issues with it?


How usable is it really?


In addition to the guide, is the DVR portion accessible?


Thanks in advance.


Don


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Cheaper alternative to MagSafe battery pack?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

My sighted wife has just preordered an iPhone 13 pro - can anyone remind me 
what people were recommending as a good alternative to Apple’s expensive 
MagSafe battery pack? And will it protect the phone as well as charge it?
Thanks
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Developer disputes Apple's take on 'FlickType' removal | AppleInsider

[Richard Turner]

Anyone interested in FlickType may find this article hopeful:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/17/developer-disputes-apples-take-on-flicktype-removal



Richard
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Re: Mark on iPhone 13 from an iPhone 8 Perspective

[Gerardo Corripio]

Very interesting about the iPhone 13! but for me, no IPhone upgrades! maybe 
until about 3 years or so; I'd like to give this SE 2nd generation (I got it 
June of last year), all its use! Remember that it's the body of an 8, with the 
innards of an 11.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 16 sep 2021, a la(s) 11:53 p.m., li...@sadamahmed.com escribió:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark and all, 
> As mentioned to another list member on here directly after the event, I'll be 
> staying put this year and watching to see what happens with iPhone 14 and 
> beyond. 
> It's very disappointing that there is no finger print reader once again. I 
> love using this feature on my Google phone. 
> I'm also more than delighted to keep my series  6 watch for as long as Watch 
> OS will be available in terms of updates. 
> The mini looks nice, but having only received my 5th gen device last year, 
> It's not required to spend so soon specially as it's working well and most 
> likely shall run 15 plus 16. My plan is just to wait for a while. 
> I'm more interested in settling into my new Quality Engineering role, Further 
> study at my University, As well as intensive O & M as I've moved into a new 
> exclusive private home after living in my current location for the last 23 
> years. 
> Cheers guys for all the comments on the new hardware and banter. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 4:08 PM
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> Subject: Mark on iPhone 13 from an iPhone 8 Perspective
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I've enjoyed reading all of the comments on iPhone 13.
> 
> To say that I was disappointed that this year's iPhone models do not have any 
> kind of fingerprint reader, would be the understatement of the season.
> 
> So, as for me, I have updated my beloved 8 Plus to iOS 14.8, had a new 
> battery installed earlier, today, and intend to hold out for one more year 
> (smile).
> 
> Besides, not that I am superstitious or anything but I do not relish the idea 
> of using any kind of device with the number 13 being part of its name 
> (smile).  It took all of my courage, back in the day, to install iOS 13!!!
> (big Smile).  Again, not superstitious, just careful (grin). 
> 
> Mark
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Registration For the Free Course, Voiceover In and Out, Is Now Open!

[Kliph]

> The time has come once again. TTJ is now accepting students for the course, 
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> as well as even more advanced features and functionality.
> 
> At TTJ, we believe that users of accessibility features such as Voiceover 
> should not have to be limited to only simple tasks like making phone calls, 
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> designed all of iOS and all built-in apps to be used by everyone, regardless 
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> This course will be held every Monday and Wednesday, beginning October 4, and 
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