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Hi I looked at roborock moddles and didn't see the e five for 200. I saw a s or 
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Julian

Hello,There is another option available, although it does require a few more steps. In the Settings app, go to general, then look for iPhone storage. Once there, scroll through the list, and find the name of the app that you wish to delete. Open that option, and at the very bottom, you should see the option to delete the app and a warning that this action cannot be undone. Hopefully that will help you get rid of that pesky app once and for all. Hope that helps. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 17, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:I hate to state the obvious but when you get to the next screen which only shows Remove app and Cancel, are you placing focus on Remove app and double tapping? This is the final confirmation screen ensuring you want to delete the app and if you don’t execute Remove app, nothing will be removed. Alan Lemly From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:43 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020 Everything goes fine until after I click on the delete button the only thing that shows on that next page is remove app and cancel. I’m not sure what’s going on but I wonder if I do a factory reset it might fix it. Thanks for the helpOn Jul 17, 2022, at 9:39 PM, Dave Clement wrote:Hello, I am late to this discussion so I may be repeating things others have said earlier. I assume you are running the latest version of IOS, IOS 15.5, and you are a Voiceover user. Here is how I delete apps. 1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it. 3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it. At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an explanation of the remove function, the "delete" option, and an explanation of the delete function. 4. Double tap the "delete" option. Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2, is key to this operation. I hope this helps. If it still doesn't work then I suggest you power down your phone then turn it back on. Sometimes, this can clear up odd errors. Dave ClementWinnipeg MB, On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone wrote:It is a game app I downloaded. On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B. wrote:Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed. What app are you trying to remove? Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. - Original Message - From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhoneTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PMSubject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020 I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson wrote:you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will give you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from homescreen.On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone wrote: When I hold down on the app I get delete button when I click on it takes me to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen and cancel when I click on remove it is just removed from the home screen and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed from the phone?On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson wrote:press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing. it will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap delete and it will be removed.On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone wrote: I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B. wrote:Try the following:1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, started editing. 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, Remove... Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a single finger double tap. I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if there is, tap on yes. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. - Original Message - From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhoneTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AMSubject: Deleting Apps on the se2020 Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete apps on my se2020. The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... Can some one please help me?

RE: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Alan Lemly

I hate to state the obvious but when you get to the next screen which only 
shows Remove app and Cancel, are you placing focus on Remove app and double 
tapping? This is the final confirmation screen ensuring you want to delete the 
app and if you don’t execute Remove app, nothing will be removed.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 

Everything goes fine until after I click on the delete button the only thing 
that shows on that next page is remove app and cancel. I’m not sure what’s 
going on but I wonder if I do a factory reset it might fix it. Thanks for the 
help





On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:39 PM, Dave Clement mailto:dclem...@mymts.net> > wrote:



Hello,

 

I am late to this discussion so I may be repeating things others have said 
earlier. I assume you are running the latest version of IOS, IOS 15.5, and you 
are a Voiceover user. Here is how I delete apps. 

 

1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.

2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it. 

3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it.

 

At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an 
explanation of the remove function, the "delete" option, and an explanation of 
the delete function. 

 

4. Double tap the "delete" option.

 

Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2,  is key to this operation. 

 

I hope this helps. If it still doesn't work then I suggest you power down your 
phone then turn it back on. Sometimes, this can clear up odd errors.

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

, 


On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:



It is a game app I downloaded.

 

On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B. mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:



Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed.  What 
app are you trying to remove?

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 

- Original Message - 

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?





On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will give 
you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
homescreen.





On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes me to 
the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen  and 
cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen and 
leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed from 
the phone?





On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it will 
pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it will give 
you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap delete and it 
will be removed.





On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  is 
cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and when I 
remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 





On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B. mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:



Try the following:

1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
started editing.

 

2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, 
and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a single 
finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if there is, 
tap on yes.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 

- Original Message - 

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM

Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 

Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. The 
problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... Can 
some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just can’t 
find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

I would avoid the e4 or e5 unless you have a really small place, those two 
don't use mapping, they are more random, I would get something from the Q 
series or S series.

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> Sure, the Roborock S7 MaxV is over $1000, but there are many models much 
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> Hi many thanks. I just looked at the price of the roborock and it seems a bit 
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> Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
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Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Roborock has several models, there are cheaper ones.

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> steep it was over 1000 from Mich. 
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> Arrigo
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> 
> Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
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> a Roborock instead of a Roomba.
> 
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>> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I 
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

Everything goes fine until after I click on the delete button the only thing 
that shows on that next page is remove app and cancel. I’m not sure what’s 
going on but I wonder if I do a factory reset it might fix it. Thanks for the 
help

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:39 PM, Dave Clement  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am late to this discussion so I may be repeating things others have said 
> earlier. I assume you are running the latest version of IOS, IOS 15.5, and 
> you are a Voiceover user. Here is how I delete apps. 
> 
> 1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.
> 2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it. 
> 3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it.
> 
> At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an 
> explanation of the remove function, the "delete" option, and an explanation 
> of the delete function. 
> 
> 4. Double tap the "delete" option.
> 
> Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2,  is key to this operation. 
> 
> I hope this helps. If it still doesn't work then I suggest you power down 
> your phone then turn it back on. Sometimes, this can clear up odd errors.
> 
> Dave Clement
> Winnipeg MB
> , 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is a game app I downloaded.
> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed.  
>> What app are you trying to remove?
>>  
>>  
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020
>> 
>> I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
>> steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
>> cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?
>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
>>> you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will 
>>> give you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
>>> homescreen.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes 
 me to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home 
 screen  and cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the 
 home screen and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has 
 been removed from the phone?
 
> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it 
> will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then 
> it will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. 
> tap delete and it will be removed.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only 
>> thing  is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove 
>> button and when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Try the following:
>>> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with 
>>> one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should 
>>> hear, started editing.
>>>  
>>> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
>>> tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, 
>>> and do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation 
>>> dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
>>> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
>>> 
>>> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my 
>>> se2020. The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it 
>>> on the phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere 
>>> on the phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for 
>>> the help.
>>> 
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Re: list issues

2022-07-17 Thread Anthony Vece

Sarai;

I am receiving your messages just fine.

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I did get his just fine.
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Dave Clement

Hello,

I am late to this discussion so I may be repeating things others have said 
earlier. I assume you are running the latest version of IOS, IOS 15.5, and you 
are a Voiceover user. Here is how I delete apps. 

1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.
2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it. 
3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it.

At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an 
explanation of the remove function, the "delete" option, and an explanation of 
the delete function. 

4. Double tap the "delete" option.

Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2,  is key to this operation. 

I hope this helps. If it still doesn't work then I suggest you power down your 
phone then turn it back on. Sometimes, this can clear up odd errors.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
, 

On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


It is a game app I downloaded.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed.  
> What app are you trying to remove?
>  
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020
> 
> I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
> steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
> cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will 
>> give you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
>> homescreen.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes 
>>> me to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen 
>>>  and cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen 
>>> and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed 
>>> from the phone?
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it 
 will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it 
 will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap 
 delete and it will be removed.
 
> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing 
>  is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and 
> when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Try the following:
>> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with 
>> one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should 
>> hear, started editing.
>>  
>> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
>> tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and 
>> do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation 
>> dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.
>>  
>>  
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
>> 
>> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. 
>> The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the 
>> phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the 
>> phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
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RE: list issues

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Yes replies only. Have no idea why. Hope someone actually sees this.

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Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

2022-07-17 Thread Kay Malmquist

I know that the Roomba did as of ten years ago, so I can only assume that it 
still does.  As for the Roborock, I don't know, but I can't imagine not.

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  Subject: does the roomba detect stairs?


  Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I 
am wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs 
apt and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I 
would not want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.


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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

It is a game app I downloaded.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed.  
> What app are you trying to remove?
>  
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020
> 
> I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
> steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
> cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will 
>> give you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
>> homescreen.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes 
>>> me to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen 
>>>  and cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen 
>>> and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed 
>>> from the phone?
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it 
 will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it 
 will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap 
 delete and it will be removed.
 
> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing 
>  is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and 
> when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Try the following:
>> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with 
>> one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should 
>> hear, started editing.
>>  
>> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
>> tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and 
>> do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation 
>> dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.
>>  
>>  
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
>> 
>> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. 
>> The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the 
>> phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the 
>> phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
>> 
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RE: Roomba

We named our Roborock "Roxie" after the robot maid in the Jetson's. Now we have 
voice commands like "Go  home Roxie." And "Where are you Roxie?"

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Subject: RE: Roomba

I had a friend with a good sense of humor, who had a Rumba; she named it Murphy 
(Murphy's law). When she was moving the housekeeper started Murphy and was 
mopping, had the front door open, and out Murphy went. They grabbed it, got it 
back in. I said Murphy was running away from home, LOL. 

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mi...@eastlink.ca
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Subject: RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says this 
once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also about 
the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would recoment to 
some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in 
my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I 
am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or If you would need 
to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and brake? I live alone 
and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne as well as trying to 
find something that works well with voice over as far as a app that I can set 
up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering about priceing for these 
things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard Ontario 
Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
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>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
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>
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>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going

RE: list issues

Since you sent this message to the list, I'm assuming this only happens when 
you're replying to a list. Is this correct? The only thing I can think of then 
is that maybe you're doing a reply to all, and a list you don't have permission 
to post to is in the to field since the original message went to multiple 
lists. Remember there's also viphone and viphone2, so maybe you're replying to 
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All when I reply to a message I get a bounce back saying I don't have 
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RE: Question about joining Wi-Fi

This happened with my wife and I when we were recently staying at an Airb, 
but I have no idea what we did for this to happen. I did find the following web 
page though: 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209368#:~:text=How%20to%20share%20your%20Wi-Fi%20password%201%20Make,tap%20Share%20Password%2C%20then%20tap%20Done.%20See%20More.



Where it says the following:



Before you begin
*Make sure both devices have the latest version of iOS or 
iPadOS, or macOS High 
Sierra or later.
*On both devices, turn on Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. If either device has 
Personal Hotspot on, turn it off.
*Sign into iCloud with your Apple 
ID. Then make sure that the email 
address you use for your Apple ID is saved in the other person's Contacts. And 
make sure you have their email address saved in your Contacts.
*Keep the other person's device nearby, within Bluetooth and Wi-Fi 
range.

How to share your Wi-Fi password
1. Make sure that your device (the one sharing the password) is unlocked 
and connected to the Wi-Fi network.
2. Select the Wi-Fi network on the device you want to connect.
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Hello everyone, is there anyway to get somebody on my Wi-Fi without having to 
give them the password. I thought there was a way to get them on my Wi-Fi yes 
that person was in my contacts. If that is possible please tell me how it works.

Thank you,

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RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

Sure, the Roborock S7 MaxV is over $1000, but there are many models much 
cheaper than that. We didn't pay anywhere near $1K for our S7. I just Googled 
this, and I saw an E5 for $200.

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Hi many thanks. I just looked at the price of the roborock and it seems a bit 
steep it was over 1000 from Mich. 

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Arrigo
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Subject: Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
falling down stairs so this should not be an issue, I would definitely go for a 
Roborock instead of a Roomba.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
> wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt 
> and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I 
> would not want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.
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RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

I did see this feature, i.e. detecting stairs, as a feature mentioned with 
specific models of robot vacuums, so I assumed if this feature wasn't 
specifically called out then the particular model wouldn't have it. It's good 
to know that my S7 has this feature. BTW, I did double check and indeed the S7 
has a sensor to detect stairs!

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Arrigo
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Subject: Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
falling down stairs so this should not be an issue, I would definitely go for a 
Roborock instead of a Roomba.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
> wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt 
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RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

Hi many thanks. I just looked at the price of the roborock and it seems a bit 
steep it was over 1000 from Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: July 17, 2022 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
falling down stairs so this should not be an issue, I would definitely go for a 
Roborock instead of a Roomba.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
> wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt 
> and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I 
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Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
falling down stairs so this should not be an issue, I would definitely go for a 
Roborock instead of a Roomba.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
> wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt 
> and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I 
> would not want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.
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Re: Roomba

You won't have to block the stairs, it won't fall down them, there are drop 
sensors on the side and front of the robot to look out for that. That is 
something all robot vacuums have.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry I hit enter too quickly on my previous message.
> 
> We only have hard wood and tyle downstairs, with some area rugs and two cats 
> and a dog, and the Roborock seems to be doing a great job with this 
> environment.
> 
> We have carpeting upstairs, and I'm not sure how often we'll be carrying it 
> upstairs to attack our rather thick carpeting. Some robot vacuum cleaners can 
> detect stairs, but I don't think ours does, so when we bring it upstairs, 
> we'll need to drop something across the top of the stairs so it doesn't go 
> tumbling downs the stairs.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says 
> this once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also 
> about the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would 
> recoment to some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are 
> no carpits in my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is 
> another thing I am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or 
> If you would need to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and 
> brake? I live alone and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne 
> as well as trying to find something that works well with voice over as far as 
> a app that I can set up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering 
> about priceing for these things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New 
> lIskeard Ontario Canada.-Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
> and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
> found it, but it works.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann 
> Byrne
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than 
> the docking station??
> At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>> 
>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>> together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>> completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>> Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>> completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>> able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>> command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>> start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>> change the strength of the suction.
>> 
>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>> of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>> Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>> the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>> chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>> having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>> under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>> them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>> its strength.
>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>> 
>> 
>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>> few minutes

Re: Roomba

Yes, it has those things, but some other robots have the ability to detect 
shoes, pet waste, that kind of thing.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> What obstacle avoidance features is it missing out of curiosity?  I'd hope 
> it has cliff detection or stair avoidance.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Arrigo" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> 
> The S7 is a good bot, it doesn't have all of the obstacle avoidance features 
> but if you don't need that it will work fine and should clean really well.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks! We did see that the S7 MaxV won best robot vacuum cleaner in 
>> multiple reviews, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a vacuum 
>> cleaner, and I didn't think we needed all of those features! The S7 seemed 
>> to be exactly what we were looking for.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the 
>> line series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning 
>> I would suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be 
>> able to clean the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery 
>> in their bots.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop 
>>> option.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>>> 
>>> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
>>> than any Roomba.
>>> 
 On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
 wrote:

 We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.

 I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
 together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
 completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
 Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
 completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
 able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
 command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
 start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
 change the strength of the suction.

 We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
 of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. 
 Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
 the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
 chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
 having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
 under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.

 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ)
 Chaltain at Outlook

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
 Of Kay Malmquist
 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Roomba

 I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
 thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
 recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
 Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them 
 for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.

 Kay Malmquist
 kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

 Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
 its strength.
 Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

 - Original Message -
 From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
 Subject: RE: Roomba

 A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following
 review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just
 a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around 
 our house.

 I remember a while back there was some discussion about the
 accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now
 have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app
 so I have

Question about joining Wi-Fi

2022-07-17 Thread Michael Irons

Hello everyone, is there anyway to get somebody on my Wi-Fi without having to 
give them the password. I thought there was a way to get them on my Wi-Fi yes 
that person was in my contacts. If that is possible please tell me how it works.
Thank you,
Michael V

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Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

2022-07-17 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Hi,
It will fall off stairs if that’s what you’re asking. There are also external 
sensors that can be purchased to prevent this from happening. Mind you, you can 
always place a cane/broom on the floor by the stairs so that it doesn’t go past 
it as well.

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On Jul 17, 2022, at 3:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt and 
if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I would not 
want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.

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does the roomba detect stairs?

Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I
am wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs
apt and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I
would not want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.

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RE: Roomba

2022-07-17 Thread Carolyn

I had a friend with a good sense of humor, who had a Rumba; she named it Murphy 
(Murphy's law). When she was moving the housekeeper started Murphy and was 
mopping, had the front door open, and out Murphy went. They grabbed it, got it 
back in. I said Murphy was running away from home, LOL. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says this 
once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also about 
the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would recoment to 
some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in 
my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I 
am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or If you would need 
to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and brake? I live alone 
and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne as well as trying to 
find something that works well with voice over as far as a app that I can set 
up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering about priceing for these 
things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard Ontario 
Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use 
>with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>on the

RE: Roomba

2022-07-17 Thread Ann Byrne

We have a shark, and it does a good job with hair from three dogs and 
two cats.  there is an easy--to-use app, and the customer service 
help has been excellent.

At 12:50 PM 7/17/2022, you wrote:

Sorry I hit enter too quickly on my previous message.

We only have hard wood and tyle downstairs, with some area rugs and 
two cats and a dog, and the Roborock seems to be doing a great job 
with this environment.

We have carpeting upstairs, and I'm not sure how often we'll be 
carrying it upstairs to attack our rather thick carpeting. Some 
robot vacuum cleaners can detect stairs, but I don't think ours 
does, so when we bring it upstairs, we'll need to drop something 
across the top of the stairs so it doesn't go tumbling downs the stairs.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of mi...@eastlink.ca

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only 
says this once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you 
find it? Also about the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible 
vacume you would recoment to some one who has tial flors and 
lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in my place except for 
down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I am 
wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or If you 
would need to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them 
and brake? I live alone and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair 
is a consurne as well as trying to find something that works well 
with voice over as far as a app that I can set up with out sighted 
help. As well as I am wondering about priceing for these things? 
Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard Ontario 
Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Christopher Chaltain

Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock 
where it is, and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if 
it beeped until you found it, but it works.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Ann Byrne

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere 
other than the docking station??

At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage 
around our house.

>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so
>I have an idea

RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Carolyn

I like my 11, but that seems a big difference from a SE 2020. I think though 
that the 11 has a stronger battery. The 11 has no home button, good riddance, 
as far as I'm concerned, but the SE 2020 does. So, if a home button is 
important to you, then, you might want to give this further consideration. 
Although, as I see it, there will be a time, when there is no home button on 
any model, just a matter of time. 

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From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Mike B.

Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed. 
What app are you trying to remove?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?

  On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

  you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will 
give you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
homescreen.

On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it 
takes me to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home 
screen  and cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home 
screen and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been 
removed from the phone?

  On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

  press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing. 
it will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then 
it will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap 
delete and it will be removed.

On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only 
thing  is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button 
and when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas?

  On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  
wrote:

  Try the following:
  1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down 
with one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should 
hear, started editing.

  2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger 
double tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, 
and do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation 
dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.

  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
  Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020

  Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my 
se2020. The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on 
the phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the 
phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

Ah, Christopher, your post jogged my memory regarding the gesture.  I had a 
very annoying similar situation, I believe, and someone had posted a fix which 
I couldn’t find.

Try doing the double tap and hold on the place just before the doc, where it 
says page one of x.  that will give you an edit box.  If it says “social”,  try 
deleting that and entering a space.  Then I believe you would hit done to get 
out of editing.

I hope that helps.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

A three finger double tap and hold will label an image and not rename a folder. 
This might be the problem since maybe you renamed the folder icon with the word 
social. Not sure how to undo this, but maybe someone else has a solution. I 
looked to see if there was a way to delete labels you created with VoiceOver, 
but I didn’t see anything obvious.

To rename a folder, I’d double tap to open the folder and then do a double tap 
and hold on the folder name to edit it.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Hi how do I do that? Since I tried to re name the folder by doing a 3 finger 
press and hold and it re named the elliment only and now vo is saying soashel 
when I am swipeing around for instince it will say soashel page 1 of 7 soashel 
page 2 of 7 or it will say things like soashel callinder and not only are nun 
of these apps in the soashel folder it will just not stop saying them. I have 
contacted apple and all I have gotten out of them is to wate for a update that 
might or might not fix the ishu since the enjinears have no idea what is going 
on. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: July 17, 2022 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Rename the folder.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover
Sent from my iPod

On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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RE: Renaming Echo

Not working. That is what I did. I have one of the new 4th gen ones. Hit back 
then back again. There isn't a save button.

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Hello Sarai,

I am not near one of my Echoes as I write this but I have renamed them without 
any problem, in the past.

As I recall, after entering the new name, you need only to press the back 
button.

Now I have not renamed an Echo since Christmas and there have been a great many 
updates to the software since then but …

If this does not work, let us know, and I will fire up an Echo and give it a 
try to let you know.

Mark

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Hi guys:
How do you rename an echo on the Alexa app? I can edit the name but am not 
finding a save button.
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RE: Renaming Echo

2022-07-17 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Sarai,

I am not near one of my Echoes as I write this but I have renamed them without 
any problem, in the past.

As I recall, after entering the new name, you need only to press the back 
button.

Now I have not renamed an Echo since Christmas and there have been a great many 
updates to the software since then but …

If this does not work, let us know, and I will fire up an Echo and give it a 
try to let you know.

Mark

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Renaming Echo

Hi guys:
How do you rename an echo on the Alexa app? I can edit the name but am not 
finding a save button.
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RE: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

I have the 13 Pro max and love it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 
bit.
Importance: High

I would agree, I've also got the 13pro, although I have the 1tb version, as 
tend to keep a fair few audiobooks, radio dramas and such on it. 

Simon 

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From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:29 PM

Subject: Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 
bit.

As another totally blind, VoiceOver user, I love the 13 Pro. Great battery 
life. I have over 12000 songs and use the camera primarily for OCR scanning, 
but am counting on the apps that will take more advantage of the LIDAR feature 
that is only with the Pro models of the 12 and 13. Like the door detection 
coming in iOS 16. 

I paid the money for the 256 GB memory so I would not have to think about 
adding to my music collaction. I still have over 130 GB free.

I have reasonably large hands and the size fits me quite nicely.

With the iPhone 14 coming out this fall, you should start to see deals on the 
13 phones, assuming you don't want to wait and get the 14. I went from the SE 
2020 to the 13 Pro last year, and probably won't update again until at least 
the iPhone 16 or 17 have come around.

Things like amount of memory, only you can decide how much you might need.

HTH,

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:22 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca   
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Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64 bit 
running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what I 
should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I have 
herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like the I 
phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I am 
thinking about are battery life and storage space. As some one who is blind I 
don’t really cair that mutch about the camra since I use it some times to take 
picks but not that offen. I would like to know what the lists thoughts on what 
I should upgrade it to as some one who uses voice over only and the camra and 
other things not that mutch. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard 
Ontario Canada.

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Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

2022-07-17 Thread goshawk on horseback

I would agree, I've also got the 13pro, although I have the 1tb version, as 
tend to keep a fair few audiobooks, radio dramas and such on it. 

Simon 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:29 PM
  Subject: Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 
64 bit.

  As another totally blind, VoiceOver user, I love the 13 Pro. Great battery 
life. I have over 12000 songs and use the camera primarily for OCR scanning, 
but am counting on the apps that will take more advantage of the LIDAR feature 
that is only with the Pro models of the 12 and 13. Like the door detection 
coming in iOS 16.
  I paid the money for the 256 GB memory so I would not have to think about 
adding to my music collaction. I still have over 130 GB free.
  I have reasonably large hands and the size fits me quite nicely.
  With the iPhone 14 coming out this fall, you should start to see deals on the 
13 phones, assuming you don't want to wait and get the 14. I went from the SE 
2020 to the 13 Pro last year, and probably won't update again until at least 
the iPhone 16 or 17 have come around.
  Things like amount of memory, only you can decide how much you might need.
  HTH,

  Richard
  “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
  My web site: https://www.turner42.com

On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:22 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64 
bit running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what I 
should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I have 
herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like the I 
phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I am 
thinking about are battery life and storage space. As some one who is blind I 
don’t really cair that mutch about the camra since I use it some times to take 
picks but not that offen. I would like to know what the lists thoughts on what 
I should upgrade it to as some one who uses voice over only and the camra and 
other things not that mutch. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard 
Ontario Canada.

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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will give 
> you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
> homescreen.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes me 
>> to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen  
>> and cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen 
>> and leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed 
>> from the phone?
>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
>>> press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it 
>>> will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it 
>>> will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap 
>>> delete and it will be removed.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  
 is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and 
 when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Try the following:
> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with 
> one finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should 
> hear, started editing.
>  
> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
> tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and 
> do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation 
> dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.
>  
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
> 
> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. 
> The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the 
> phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the 
> phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread alia robinson

you’re just missing where it says delete. click on remove, then it will give 
you two options. one of them is delete and one of them is remove from 
homescreen.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:51 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes me 
> to the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen  and 
> cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen and 
> leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed from 
> the phone?
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it 
>> will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it 
>> will give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap 
>> delete and it will be removed.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  
>>> is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and 
>>> when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B. >>> > wrote:

 Try the following:
 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
 finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
 started editing.

 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
 tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and 
 do a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, 
 but if there is, tap on yes.

 Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
 - Original Message - 
 From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
 Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. 
 The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the 
 phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the 
 phone and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Joshua Hendrickson

I just got my 13 pro max a few days ago.  Not having the home button
isn't any big deal.  A great tip someone shared with me, to easily get
to the home screen with the nonhome button phones, is to put your
thumb on the USB lightning port of your phone, then move your wright
index finger up.  This will help you immensely in getting to both your
home screen and your app switcher.

On 7/17/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The SE 2020 has the same chip set as the 11. So it would be duplicating the
> capability of what you already have. It would be bigger is all.
> I'd look into deals for a 12 if you are looking for better performance.
> Just remember you will lose the home button. To me that is not a big deal.
> I have the 13 Pro and do not miss the home button at all.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:03 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the
>> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and
>> don’t know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

When I hold down on the app I get  delete button when I click on it takes me to 
the next page and the only thing there is remove app from home screen  and 
cancel when I click on remove  it is just removed from the home screen and 
leaves it in the app library does that mean that it it has been removed from 
the phone?

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it will 
> pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it will 
> give you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap delete 
> and it will be removed.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  
>> is cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and 
>> when I remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
>> 
 On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Try the following:
>>> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
>>> finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
>>> started editing.
>>>  
>>> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double 
>>> tap, and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do 
>>> a single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but 
>>> if there is, tap on yes.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
>>> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
>>> 
>>> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. 
>>> The problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the 
>>> phone... Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone 
>>> and just can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
>>> 
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RE: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Alan Lemly

I don’t believe you’re doing all the steps. Try this:

 

1.  Place focus on the app to be deleted on your home screen and single 
finger triple tap.
2.  A context menu will open and focus should be on Remove app and you 
should single finger double tap the screen.
3.  Another screen will open with a heading of Remove and the app’s name. 
Single finger swipe right until you hear delete app and single finger double 
tap on the screen to delete it.
4.  A confirmation screen will open and you must single finger swipe right 
to the Delete button and double tap to complete the process.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 

I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  is 
cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and when I 
remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 





On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B. mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com> > wrote:

 

Try the following:

1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
started editing.

 

2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, 
and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a single 
finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if there is, 
tap on yes.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 

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From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM

Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020

 

Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. The 
problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... Can 
some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just can’t 
find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread alia robinson

press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say edditing.  it will 
pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that, and then it will give 
you option to delete from iphone or remove from homescreen. tap delete and it 
will be removed.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  is 
> cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and when I 
> remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B. > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Try the following:
>> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
>> finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
>> started editing.
>>  
>> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, 
>> and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a 
>> single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if 
>> there is, tap on yes.
>>  
>>  
>> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
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>> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
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>> Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020
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>> Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. The 
>> problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... 
>> Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just 
>> can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

I did all the steps and when I get to where it says remove the only thing  is 
cancel I swipe right and left and it’s still just a remove button and when I 
remove the app is still on my phone. Any other ideas? 

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Try the following:
> 1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
> finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
> started editing.
>  
> 2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, 
> and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a 
> single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if 
> there is, tap on yes.
>  
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
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> problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... 
> Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just 
> can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.
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RE: Roomba

Sorry I hit enter too quickly on my previous message.

We only have hard wood and tyle downstairs, with some area rugs and two cats 
and a dog, and the Roborock seems to be doing a great job with this environment.

We have carpeting upstairs, and I'm not sure how often we'll be carrying it 
upstairs to attack our rather thick carpeting. Some robot vacuum cleaners can 
detect stairs, but I don't think ours does, so when we bring it upstairs, we'll 
need to drop something across the top of the stairs so it doesn't go tumbling 
downs the stairs.

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Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says this 
once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also about 
the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would recoment to 
some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in 
my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I 
am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or If you would need 
to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and brake? I live alone 
and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne as well as trying to 
find something that works well with voice over as far as a app that I can set 
up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering about priceing for these 
things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard Ontario 
Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
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>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is,

RE: Roomba

The Roborock just announces "here I am" which is why I said it would be nice if 
it kept beeping until you found it, but repeating it's announcement would also 
work.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says this 
once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also about 
the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would recoment to 
some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in 
my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I 
am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or If you would need 
to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and brake? I live alone 
and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne as well as trying to 
find something that works well with voice over as far as a app that I can set 
up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering about priceing for these 
things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard Ontario 
Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room.
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use 
>with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>help to do at least some things in the app since they are

RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

A three finger double tap and hold will label an image and not rename a folder. 
This might be the problem since maybe you renamed the folder icon with the word 
social. Not sure how to undo this, but maybe someone else has a solution. I 
looked to see if there was a way to delete labels you created with VoiceOver, 
but I didn’t see anything obvious.

To rename a folder, I’d double tap to open the folder and then do a double tap 
and hold on the folder name to edit it.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Hi how do I do that? Since I tried to re name the folder by doing a 3 finger 
press and hold and it re named the elliment only and now vo is saying soashel 
when I am swipeing around for instince it will say soashel page 1 of 7 soashel 
page 2 of 7 or it will say things like soashel callinder and not only are nun 
of these apps in the soashel folder it will just not stop saying them. I have 
contacted apple and all I have gotten out of them is to wate for a update that 
might or might not fix the ishu since the enjinears have no idea what is going 
on. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: July 17, 2022 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Rename the folder.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover
Sent from my iPod

On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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Re: Roomba

2022-07-17 Thread Kay Malmquist

What obstacle avoidance features is it missing out of curiosity?  I'd hope 
it has cliff detection or stair avoidance.

Kay Malmquist
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Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Roomba


The S7 is a good bot, it doesn't have all of the obstacle avoidance features 
but if you don't need that it will work fine and should clean really well.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
>
> Thanks! We did see that the S7 MaxV won best robot vacuum cleaner in 
> multiple reviews, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a vacuum 
> cleaner, and I didn't think we needed all of those features! The S7 seemed 
> to be exactly what we were looking for.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
>
> The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the 
> line series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning 
> I would suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be 
> able to clean the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery 
> in their bots.
>
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>>
>> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop 
>> option.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>>
>> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
>> than any Roomba.
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>>>
>>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>>> together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>>> completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>>> Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>>> completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>>> able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>>> command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>>> start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>>> change the strength of the suction.
>>>
>>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>>> of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. 
>>> Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>>> the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>>> chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>>> having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>>> under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Kay Malmquist
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>>>
>>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them 
>>> for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>>>
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>>> its strength.
>>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>>>
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following
>>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just
>>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around 
>>> our house.
>>>
>>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the
>>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now
>>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app
>>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some 
>>> are definitely better than others.
>>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
>>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to
>>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most
>>> accessible, meaning

Re: trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

2022-07-17 Thread Richard Turner

As another totally blind, VoiceOver user, I love the 13 Pro. Great battery 
life. I have over 12000 songs and use the camera primarily for OCR scanning, 
but am counting on the apps that will take more advantage of the LIDAR feature 
that is only with the Pro models of the 12 and 13. Like the door detection 
coming in iOS 16.
I paid the money for the 256 GB memory so I would not have to think about 
adding to my music collaction. I still have over 130 GB free.
I have reasonably large hands and the size fits me quite nicely.
With the iPhone 14 coming out this fall, you should start to see deals on the 
13 phones, assuming you don't want to wait and get the 14. I went from the SE 
2020 to the 13 Pro last year, and probably won't update again until at least 
the iPhone 16 or 17 have come around.
Things like amount of memory, only you can decide how much you might need.
HTH,

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> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:22 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64 bit 
> running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what I 
> should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I have 
> herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like the I 
> phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I am 
> thinking about are battery life and storage space. As some one who is blind I 
> don’t really cair that mutch about the camra since I use it some times to 
> take picks but not that offen. I would like to know what the lists thoughts 
> on what I should upgrade it to as some one who uses voice over only and the 
> camra and other things not that mutch. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from 
> New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
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RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Hi how do I do that? Since I tried to re name the folder by doing a 3 finger 
press and hold and it re named the elliment only and now vo is saying soashel 
when I am swipeing around for instince it will say soashel page 1 of 7 soashel 
page 2 of 7 or it will say things like soashel callinder and not only are nun 
of these apps in the soashel folder it will just not stop saying them. I have 
contacted apple and all I have gotten out of them is to wate for a update that 
might or might not fix the ishu since the enjinears have no idea what is going 
on. From Mich.

 

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Long
Sent: July 17, 2022 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

 

Rename the folder.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

 

Maybe turn off and on voiceover

Sent from my iPod

 

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Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich. 

 

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trying to deside on what phone to upgrade to from the I Phone 8 64 bit.

Hi all. I would like the lists thoughts. I am running a I phone 8 with 64
bit running ios15.5 and am able to upgrade it. I am trying to find out what
I should upgrade it to. I am blind and am a exclusive voice over user. I
have herd different things about the newer I phones that are out now like
the I phone 13 I phone 13 max and others like the I phone SE3. some things I
am thinking about are battery life and storage space. As some one who is
blind I don't really cair that mutch about the camra since I use it some
times to take picks but not that offen. I would like to know what the lists
thoughts on what I should upgrade it to as some one who uses voice over only
and the camra and other things not that mutch. Many thanks. From Mich
Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

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Re: Roomba

The S7 is a good bot, it doesn't have all of the obstacle avoidance features 
but if you don't need that it will work fine and should clean really well.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks! We did see that the S7 MaxV won best robot vacuum cleaner in multiple 
> reviews, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a vacuum cleaner, and 
> I didn't think we needed all of those features! The S7 seemed to be exactly 
> what we were looking for.
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the 
> line series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning I 
> would suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be able 
> to clean the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery in their 
> bots.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop option.
>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
>> than any Roomba.
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>>> 
>>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>>> together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>>> completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>>> Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>>> completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able 
>>> to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice command. I 
>>> set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can start it 
>>> cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and change the 
>>> strength of the suction.
>>> 
>>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
>>> dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
>>> it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
>>> time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it 
>>> seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay 
>>> on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm 
>>> also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Kay Malmquist
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>>> 
>>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them 
>>> for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>>> 
>>> Kay Malmquist
>>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
>>> strength.
>>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
>>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
>>> house.
>>> 
>>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
>>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>>> definitely better than others.
>>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
>>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>>> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>>> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>>> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>>> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
>>> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
>>> your house and let you

Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

2022-07-17 Thread Richard Turner

The SE 2020 has the same chip set as the 11. So it would be duplicating the 
capability of what you already have. It would be bigger is all.
I'd look into deals for a 12 if you are looking for better performance.
Just remember you will lose the home button. To me that is not a big deal.
I have the 13 Pro and do not miss the home button at all.

Richard
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> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:03 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
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> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: Roomba

HI all jumping in on this topic. I am wondering if the roborock only says this 
once? Or does it continu to say I am over hear until you find it? Also about 
the rumba I am wondering what kind of accessible vacume you would recoment to 
some one who has tial flors and lenoliem and dog hair. There are no carpits in 
my place except for down at the boddem of the stairs. That is another thing I 
am wondering if there are any vacumes that will do stairs? Or 
If you would need to block off the stairs so that it doesn't go down them and 
brake? I live alone and I have a dog who does shed so dog hair is a consurne as 
well as trying to find something that works well with voice over as far as a 
app that I can set up with out sighted help. As well as I am wondering about 
priceing for these things? Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from New lIskeard 
Ontario Canada.-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: July 17, 2022 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. 
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
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>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use 
>with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible to 
>do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map your 
>house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the map. 
>Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any of 
>these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
>since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
>you want to use

Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

2022-07-17 Thread Mike B.

Try the following:
1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
started editing.

2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap, 
and you should hear, Remove...  Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a 
single finger double tap.  I forget if there's a confirmation dialog, but if 
there is, tap on yes.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:59 AM
Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020


Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. The 
problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... 
Can some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just 
can’t find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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RE: Deleting Apps on the se2020

Which apps are you talking about? There are some apps from Apple where you can 
only remove them from your home page, but you can't delete them from your phone.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting Apps on the se2020

Hello all, as the subject line says I need to delete  apps on my se2020. The 
problem is all I can find is remove app but that leaves it on the phone... Can 
some one please help me? I have looked everywhere on the phone and just can't 
find out how to delete an app. Thanks for the help.

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Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

2022-07-17 Thread bentleyj1952

Guess I never paid much attention to the bottom of this page.

 

I now have it set to ask before joining networks and hot spots.

 

By the time I figured out what each of these settings meant, I lost track of 
what the default settings were.

 

Thank you for your post.

 

James B  

 

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Yes, it’s in Settings -> Wi-fi. At the bottom you’ll see the option for ask to 
join networks.

 

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Does anyone know where I need to go on my I Phone to find out if I have wi-fi 
set up to automatically join unknown networks?

 

Thanks,

 

James B  

 

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Whis will depend on how you have wi-fi configured. I don’t have wi-fi set up to 
join an unknown network automatically. I don’t think there would be any more of 
a security issue than placing a regular phone call, but I’m not sure.

 

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Hi all,

 

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?  

 

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

 

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Deleting Apps on the se2020

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Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Dave Clement

Hello, 

This sounds suspiciously like an old problem that arose in IOS 14. I don't 
recall the exact details but it involved the repeated word getting assigned to 
the "page identifier" on the home screen. This is the item that says "1 of 5" 
or however many home pages you have. 

The fix, as best I recall it, is to focus on the page identifier then edit its 
label with the 2-finger double tap and hold gesture. The repeating word should 
show up as the label. Replace it with a space and save it. 

I hope this gives enough information to let you fix the problem or let someone 
else who can recall all the detail stepsremember them. Good luck. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:29 AM, Flor Lynch  wrote:


Apple does this automatically, based on the content inside the folders. Thus, 
your social media content is categorised accordingly. 



So, to prvent this automatic categorisation, you can rename each of the 
originating folders and their subfolders containing social media content; then 
move these folders into different places. 



> On 17/07/2022 14:59, Flor Lynch wrote:
> Are you sharing these folders, that say 'Social' after their names? 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17/07/2022 14:40, Dennis Long wrote:
>> Rename the folder.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Delia 
>> Avina
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word 
>> soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the 
>> screen.
>>  
>> Maybe turn off and on voiceover
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, michv@eastlink.cawrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called 
>> soashel. I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different 
>> pages it says the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 
>> page 2 etc. this is also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is 
>> saying it before the name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 
>> page 2 not soashel page 1 page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish 
>> this? I have tried doing a 3 finger press and hold to try to re name the 
>> folder to something elts when it is saying soashel instead of the name of 
>> different folders I only have 1 folder called soashel but some times vo is 
>> saying the word soashel before the word games for my games folder. I have 
>> tried clearing the text and rrighting the word games but it is still doing 
>> this. Since I have the same layout of folders on my I phone 8 From Mich. 
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RE: Roomba

Thanks! We did see that the S7 MaxV won best robot vacuum cleaner in multiple 
reviews, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a vacuum cleaner, and I 
didn't think we needed all of those features! The S7 seemed to be exactly what 
we were looking for.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the line 
series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning I would 
suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be able to clean 
the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery in their bots.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop option.
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> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
> than any Roomba.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>> 
>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
>> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
>> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
>> for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
>> Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
>> room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
>> so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
>> to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
>> 
>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
>> dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
>> it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
>> time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
>> to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
>> of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
>> hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
>> the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
>> strength.
>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>> 
>> 
>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
>> house.
>> 
>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>> definitely better than others.
>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
>> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
>> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
>> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with 
>> any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made 
>> accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get 
>> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean 
>> the entire place each time

RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Hmm, I’m not sure how this works for other settings, but I have my iPhone set 
up to not put new apps in my home pages. They just show up in the App Library. 
If I want to move them to my home page or into a folder I can just drag them 
from the App Library. I can do a three finger swipe down in the App Library to 
get rid of the default folders and just list my apps alphabetically.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Flor 
Lynch
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.


Apple does this automatically, based on the content inside the folders. Thus, 
your social media content is categorised accordingly.



So, to prvent this automatic categorisation, you can rename each of the 
originating folders and their subfolders containing social media content; then 
move these folders into different places.


On 17/07/2022 14:59, Flor Lynch wrote:

Are you sharing these folders, that say 'Social' after their names?


On 17/07/2022 14:40, Dennis Long wrote:
Rename the folder.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover
Sent from my iPod



On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

Yes, it's in Settings -> Wi-fi. At the bottom you'll see the option for ask to 
join networks.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

Does anyone know where I need to go on my I Phone to find out if I have wi-fi 
set up to automatically join unknown networks?

Thanks,

James B

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

Whis will depend on how you have wi-fi configured. I don't have wi-fi set up to 
join an unknown network automatically. I don't think there would be any more of 
a security issue than placing a regular phone call, but I'm not sure.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Questions about wi-fi calling

Hi all,

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

Thanks,

James B
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RE: Roomba

I’m not sure if we would have considered a robot vacuum cleaner if we’d already 
had a centralized system, but even that isn’t as easy as just hitting a button 
on an app or on the top of the vacuum cleaner itself. It didn’t have any 
trouble figuring out our house, except for the dining room which has a lot of 
chairs in it, but even then it eventually got to everything it could and moved 
on. We have just tyle and hard wood downstairs, with a few area rugs, plus we 
have two cats and a dob, so we’re just looking for something to stay on top of 
the pet hair, and this seems to do the trick.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba


Wow, Mike must really have a thing for Robo Vacuums, I wonder if he could have 
a Robo Vac war or something, sounds like he has enough of them to wage a 
serious battle 藍



Years ago I bought a top of the line Neato model for my Mom after she had hip 
replacement surgery and while she did use it for a while, she said it had many 
more issues than it seemed to be worth it. It got stuck quite often and it was 
never able to finish on a single charge even though my parents' house is not 
huge, about 1,300 or 1,400 square feet but with a few maybe tricky corners and 
with both smooth floors and rugs and my Mom said it often got quite confused, 
maybe also because of the very high ceilings in the living room. But at times 
she said it spent 15 minutes going over and over the same small area as if it 
was stuck on some sort of loop. She also said she had to spend a lot of time 
cleaning its brushes and making sure it was clean in general and while I am 
sure there are maybe better models out there now, I have so far no desire to 
try one of these things even though I am a bit of a gadget person. We have 
hardwood floors throughout the upstairs of our house and tile in the kitchen, 
bathroom and down the stairs, downstairs it's cork flooring in the guest room 
and family room and tile in the hallway, but it's just so easy to plug in the 
hose of the central vac and it's powerful and always works without a fuss. To 
each their own I guess.





Best regards,

Sieghard



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba



I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to the 
best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs and 
one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.



Kay Malmquist

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From: "Christopher Chaltain" mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>>

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Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM

Subject: RE: Roomba





A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> 
posted the following review

of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes

ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.



I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of

apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum

collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which

apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.

I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly

accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with

Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,

meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you

will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly

unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in

the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to

note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go

zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using

Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be

made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get

sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean

the entire place each time which is what I do.

Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no

particular order.

The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with

Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled,

Re: Roomba

2022-07-17 Thread Kimberly

You’ve gotten a lot of good information, but let me say this as a person who 
just got rid of a Roomba that there are better options out there and sometimes 
for a lot less money. If you have carpets in your home then the rumba may not 
be the best choice for you especially if pet hair is one of your concerns. M my 
dog sheds a lot in the spring and summer regardless of how frequently she gets 
brushed. My experience with the rumba is that it just pushes the dog hair 
around leaving little piles of hair everywhere on the carpet that have to be 
manually picked up afterwards. Definitely not worth the cost and I won’t be 
buying another one.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Jul 16, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey  wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience using a 
> Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not arrived yet. I am 
> wondering if this is a viable option for someone who is totally blind. How 
> accessible is the app and how difficult is it to set up the app and use it. I 
> know it can be controlled via the a lady. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks 
> and everyone have a wonderful day.
> 
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Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Mich Verrier

No I am not sharing any of these folders that’s still happening even when I 
swipe around even just an email it’s still saying social and I don’t even have 
email in my social folder. It’s like voiceover has seen the element but it’s 
seeing it everywhere. I don’t know really what’s going on I’ve tried everything 
apart from doing a hard reset of my iPhone and that’s it.from much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> 
> Apple does this automatically, based on the content inside the folders. Thus, 
> your social media content is categorised accordingly. 
> 
> 
> 
> So, to prvent this automatic categorisation, you can rename each of the 
> originating folders and their subfolders containing social media content; 
> then move these folders into different places. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17/07/2022 14:59, Flor Lynch wrote:
>> Are you sharing these folders, that say 'Social' after their names? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/07/2022 14:40, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> Rename the folder.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Delia Avina
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:12 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word 
>>> soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the 
>>> screen.
>>>  
>>> Maybe turn off and on voiceover
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called 
>>> soashel. I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different 
>>> pages it says the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 
>>> page 2 etc. this is also happening on my I phone as well as some times it 
>>> is saying it before the name of different apps. I just want it to say page 
>>> 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish 
>>> this? I have tried doing a 3 finger press and hold to try to re name the 
>>> folder to something elts when it is saying soashel instead of the name of 
>>> different folders I only have 1 folder called soashel but some times vo is 
>>> saying the word soashel before the word games for my games folder. I have 
>>> tried clearing the text and rrighting the word games but it is still doing 
>>> this. Since I have the same layout of folders on my I phone 8 From Mich.
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RE: dugging query

2022-07-17 Thread anthonyborg001

You are rightt. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: 17 July 2022 15:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dugging query

Hi Anthony,

 I assume you're talking about ducking. If ducking's turned on, then the volume 
of your music or whatever you're playing on your phone  turns down so you can 
properly hear what voiceOver's saying. If you want voiceOver to be heard more 
clearly, turn this feature on. Hope this helps.

this 

Peace & Blessings,

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Phone (276) 730-5194

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Hi 

Can anyone explain to me what’s the use of the dugging feature in iphone and 
whether or not i should leave it on or off? 

Thanks in advance 

Anthony 

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RE: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

IDK. They are on FB though.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

Do they have a phone number if you have questions?

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Hi:

Its very usable. The guide can be a bit confusing but when you choose a show 
you will see air time and can move left or right to the appropriate time then 
up and down to see the shows on that time. I am enjoying the app.

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How accessible is the apple TV app?  Is it worth the money?

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Re: Roomba

The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the line 
series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning I would 
suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be able to clean 
the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery in their bots.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop option.
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
> than any Roomba.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>> 
>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
>> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
>> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
>> for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
>> Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
>> room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
>> so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
>> to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
>> 
>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
>> dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
>> it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
>> time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
>> to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
>> of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
>> hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>> 
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
>> the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
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>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>> 
>> 
>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
>> house.
>> 
>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>> definitely better than others.
>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
>> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
>> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
>> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any 
>> of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
>> since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
>> you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
>> each time which is what I do.
>> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
>> particular order.
>> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
>> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
>> are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but 
>> it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my 
>> Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very 
>>

RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

2022-07-17 Thread bentleyj1952

Does anyone know where I need to go on my I Phone to find out if I have wi-fi 
set up to automatically join unknown networks?

 

Thanks,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

Whis will depend on how you have wi-fi configured. I don’t have wi-fi set up to 
join an unknown network automatically. I don’t think there would be any more of 
a security issue than placing a regular phone call, but I’m not sure.

 

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bentleyj1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

Hi all,

 

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?  

 

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

 

Thanks,

 

James B  

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Re: Roomba

You can locate the robot using the app, that's another thing I like about the 
Roborock and most other brands besides Roomba, they will speak a message 
indicating what they are doing, Roomba will do this if there is an error but I 
prefer a robot to tell me its status rather than just playing tones.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 6:30 AM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than 
> the docking station??
> At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>> 
>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
>> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
>> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
>> for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
>> Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
>> room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
>> so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
>> to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
>> 
>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
>> dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
>> it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
>> time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
>> to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
>> of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
>> hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
>> Malmquist
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
>> the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
>> strength.
>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>> 
>> 
>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review
>> of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes
>> ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>> 
>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of
>> apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum
>> collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which
>> apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.
>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with
>> Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,
>> meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you
>> will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly
>> unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in
>> the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to
>> note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go
>> zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using
>> Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be
>> made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get
>> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean
>> the entire place each time which is what I do.
>> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no
>> particular order.
>> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with
>> Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few
>> places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does
>> describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus
>> totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at
>> times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its
>> last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to
>> get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
>> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the
>> best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and
>>

Re: Roomba vs Roborock

I have the J7, but the more I use it, the more annoyed I become with it. 
Roborock is pretty much better in every way, it has more suction power, their 
bots navigate much better because they use Lidar for their navigation instead 
of a V slam camera, the battery on the Roborock is more than double the size of 
the Roomba battery, not sure yet but I've thought about selling the J7 
actually, I really can't think of anything that Roomba offers that the Roborock 
bots do not.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 6:12 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Dovetailing off of a different thread, I was curious of what people thought 
> of both and why. I just picked up a Roomba J7, but also saw a couple of 
> Roborock models that seemed interesting. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better 
> than any Roomba.
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>> 
>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
>> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
>> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
>> for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
>> Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
>> room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
>> so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
>> to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
>> 
>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
>> dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
>> it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
>> time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
>> to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
>> of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
>> hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Roomba
>> 
>> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
>> the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>> 
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
>> strength.
>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>> Subject: RE: Roomba
>> 
>> 
>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
>> house.
>> 
>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>> definitely better than others.
>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
>> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
>> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
>> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any 
>> of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
>> since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
>> you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
>> each time which is what I do.
>> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
>> particular order.
>> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
>> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is

RE: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

2022-07-17 Thread Dennis Long

Do they have a phone number if you have questions?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

Hi:

Its very usable. The guide can be a bit confusing but when you choose a show 
you will see air time and can move left or right to the appropriate time then 
up and down to see the shows on that time. I am enjoying the app.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
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Subject: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

How accessible is the apple TV app?  Is it worth the money?

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Re: dugging query

2022-07-17 Thread Duane Steele

Hi Anthony,

 I assume you're talking about ducking. If ducking's turned on, then the volume 
of your music or whatever you're playing on your phone  turns down so you can 
properly hear what voiceOver's saying. If you want voiceOver to be heard more 
clearly, turn this feature on. Hope this helps.
this 

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> On Jul 17, 2022, at 2:41 AM, anthonyborg...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
>  
> Can anyone explain to me what’s the use of the dugging feature in iphone and 
> whether or not i should leave it on or off?
> Thanks in advance
>  
> Anthony
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Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Flor Lynch

Apple does this automatically, based on the content inside the folders.
Thus, your social media content is categorised accordingly.

So, to prvent this automatic categorisation, you can rename each of the
originating folders and their subfolders containing social media
content; then move these folders into different places.

On 17/07/2022 14:59, Flor Lynch wrote:

Are you sharing these folders, that say 'Social' after their names?

On 17/07/2022 14:40, Dennis Long wrote:

Rename the folder.

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Behalf Of *Delia Avina

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word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages
on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover

Sent from my iPod

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Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder
called soashel. I have named that folder but now when ever I
swipe to different pages it says the word soashel before each
page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is also happening
on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not
soashel page 1 page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish
this? I have tried doing a 3 finger press and hold to try to re
name the folder to something elts when it is saying soashel
instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel
before the word games for my games folder. I have tried clearing
the text and rrighting the word games but it is still doing this.
Since I have the same layout of folders on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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RE: dugging query

I agree. I tried setting up the feature on the iPhone where I could just enable 
it with two knocks on the back of the phone, but I found this gesture too 
unreliable. If it worked, I could turn on audio ducking even if I couldn't hear 
VoiceOver. Instead, I settled with putting it in VoiecOver quick settings, 
which makes it tough to turn on when the media volume is overwhelming VoiceOver.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dugging query

I generally find it annoying if I'm listening to something like music or a 
soundscape. Audio ducking is very drastic and lowers the volume such that 
you'll be pulled out of any flow state. Sound scapes and music are dropped in 
volume enough that you'll miss hearing things other than VoiceOver. It depends 
on what you most value hearing at the time. I wish there was a settting to 
control how drastic the volume of other audio is ducked. Even better would be 
an ability to set the relative volumes of things so VoiceOver was loud enough 
to always be distinguished. It's an imperfect but at times useful tool..

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:43 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
If audio ducking is turned on it reduces audio playing so you can better hear 
Voiceover.
For example, if you are playing music or a video and you want to pause, change 
tracks or maybe you heard a notification come in and you want to check what it 
is without stopping whatever is playing then if you have audio ducking turned 
on it is much easier to hear Voiceover because as soon as you use your phone 
and Voiceover is talking the audio volume of whatever else is playing is 
reduced. If you stop using Voiceover the audio volume is restored. I highly 
recommend to turn it on, but that is of course my personal opinion and I am 
sure others think it should be turned off.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:42 AM
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Subject: dugging query

Hi

Can anyone explain to me what's the use of the dugging feature in iphone and 
whether or not i should leave it on or off?
Thanks in advance

Anthony
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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

Whis will depend on how you have wi-fi configured. I don't have wi-fi set up to 
join an unknown network automatically. I don't think there would be any more of 
a security issue than placing a regular phone call, but I'm not sure.

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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Questions about wi-fi calling

Hi all,

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

Thanks,

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RE: Roomba

The Roborock has a Siri command where  you can ask the Roborock where it is, 
and it'll announce "I'm over here." It would be nice if it beeped until you 
found it, but it works.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. 
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use 
>with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible to 
>do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map your 
>house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the map. 
>Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any of 
>these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
>since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
>you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
>each time which is what I do.
>Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
>particular order.
>The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
>with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
>are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but 
>it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my 
>Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very 
>interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or 
>ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely 
>accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no trouble at 
>all using the app.
>Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of 
>the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their 
>cleaning and navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this 
>app, I actually have two different Roborock

RE: Roomba vs Roborock

We went with the Roborock, mostly on Mike's Recommendation. It's the only one I 
have, so I can't compare the two myself. We read a lot of reviews though and 
the Roomba came out on top on quite a few reviews. The Roborock did on a few as 
well. Given Mike's discussion on the accessibility of the apps, we would have 
considered either option.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
joediner...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Roomba vs Roborock

Hi everyone,

Dovetailing off of a different thread, I was curious of what people thought of 
both and why. I just picked up a Roomba J7, but also saw a couple of Roborock 
models that seemed interesting. 

Joe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better than 
any Roomba.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
> 
> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for 
> identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks 
> like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room 
> to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so 
> just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to 
> it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
> 
> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog 
> and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's 
> been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, 
> although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be 
> pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the 
> pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll 
> help my wife with her allergies.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
> seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to 
> the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs 
> and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs 
> they did.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
> house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
> definitely better than others.
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any 
> of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
> since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
> you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
> each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
> are a few places where voiceover has to

RE: Roomba

We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop option.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better than 
any Roomba.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
> 
> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for 
> identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks 
> like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room 
> to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so 
> just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to 
> it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
> 
> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog 
> and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's 
> been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, 
> although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be 
> pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the 
> pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll 
> help my wife with her allergies.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
> seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to 
> the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs 
> and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs 
> they did.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
> house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
> definitely better than others.
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any 
> of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
> since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
> you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
> each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
> are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but 
> it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my 
> Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very 
> interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or 
> ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely 
> accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no trouble 
> at all using the app.
> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one 
> of the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their 
> cleaning and navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this 
> app, I actually have two

Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Flor Lynch

Are you sharing these folders, that say 'Social' after their names?

On 17/07/2022 14:40, Dennis Long wrote:

Rename the folder.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Delia Avina

Maybe turn off and on voiceover

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder
called soashel. I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe
to different pages it says the word soashel before each page
instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is also happening on my
I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the name of
different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel
page 1 page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I
have tried doing a 3 finger press and hold to try to re name the
folder to something elts when it is saying soashel instead of the
name of different folders I only have 1 folder called soashel but
some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word games for
my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same
layout of folders on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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RE: Roomba

Hmm, I set up all that I could so far. That included start cleaning, pause, 
resume cleaning, changing the suction strength between quiet, normal, turbo and 
max, and then find me. When my wife and I get the rooms set up, it looks like 
I'll be able to set a Siri command to send it to a specific room and start 
cleaning.

Yes, it was on a pretty good sale on Amazon Prime days. 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

What siri shortcuts did you have to set up?  Sounds pretty good.  I assume you 
paid a good price through Amazon prime days?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.

I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.

We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
the in-between vacuum jobs they did.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review
of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes
ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which
apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.
I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with
Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,
meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you
will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly
unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in
the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to
note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go
zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using
Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be
made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get
sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean
the entire place each time which is what I do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no
particular order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does
describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus
totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at
times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its
last run and this

RE: Roomba

Yes. Link your alexa to it ans ask to locate Roomba.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Roomba

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other than the 
docking station??
At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:
>We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
>
>I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
>together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
>completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the 
>Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems 
>completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be 
>able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice 
>command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can 
>start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and 
>change the strength of the suction.
>
>We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit 
>of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. 
>Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker 
>the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's 
>chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to 
>having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially 
>under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.
>
>--
>Christopher (AKA CJ)
>Chaltain at Outlook
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>Kay Malmquist
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Roomba
>
>I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
>thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
>recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
>Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss 
>them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
>
>Kay Malmquist
>kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of 
>its strength.
>Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Roomba
>
>
>A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
>review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a 
>few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>
>I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
>accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
>have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app so 
>I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
>definitely better than others.
>I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
>accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use 
>with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
>accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
>not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
>on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
>help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible to 
>do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map your 
>house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the map. 
>Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any of 
>these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
>since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
>you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
>each time which is what I do.
>Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
>particular order.
>The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
>with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
>are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but 
>it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my 
>Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very 
>interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or 
>ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely 
>accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no trouble at 
>all using the app.
>Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of 
>the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their 
>cleaning and navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this 
>app, I actually have two different Roborock models and the controls 
>read slightly differently depending on which robot you choose to 
>control from the home screen. This makes me wonder if the app is 
>actually

RE: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

Hi:

Its very usable. The guide can be a bit confusing but when you choose a show 
you will see air time and can move left or right to the appropriate time then 
up and down to see the shows on that time. I am enjoying the app.

 

 

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Subject: is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

 

How accessible is the apple TV app?  Is it worth the money?

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RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

2022-07-17 Thread Dennis Long

Rename the folder.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 13, 2022, at 9:42 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca   
wrote:

Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich. 

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is frndly TV accessible on Apple TV?

2022-07-17 Thread Dennis Long

How accessible is the apple TV app?  Is it worth the money?

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Questions about wi-fi calling

2022-07-17 Thread bentleyj1952

Hi all,

 

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?  

 

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

 

Thanks,

 

James B  

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RE: Roomba

2022-07-17 Thread Ann Byrne

Will it make a sound so you can locate it if it stops somewhere other 
than the docking station??

At 09:58 PM 7/16/2022, you wrote:

We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.

I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up 
together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup 
completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on 
the Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app 
seems completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, 
I'll be able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or 
a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice 
commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's 
docking station and change the strength of the suction.


We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a 
bit of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each 
room. Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll 
be quicker the next time, although except for the dining room with 
all of it's chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm 
looking forward to having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout 
the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my 
wife with her allergies.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Kay Malmquist

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review 
and thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had 
two Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and 
miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.


Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today 
of its strength.

Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review
of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes
ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which
apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.
I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with
Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,
meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you
will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly
unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in
the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to
note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go
zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using
Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be
made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get
sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean
the entire place each time which is what I do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no
particular order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does
describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus
totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at
times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its
last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to
get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the
best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and
navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually
have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly
differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home
screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content
from the robot itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate
with voiceover. So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get,
things may read slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for
the Roborock S4 Max and come to the settings option, Voiceover says
"settings." On the other hand,

Roomba vs Roborock

2022-07-17 Thread joedinero68

Hi everyone,

Dovetailing off of a different thread, I was curious of what people thought of 
both and why. I just picked up a Roomba J7, but also saw a couple of Roborock 
models that seemed interesting. 

Joe

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better than 
any Roomba.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
> 
> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for 
> identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks 
> like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room 
> to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so 
> just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to 
> it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
> 
> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog 
> and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's 
> been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, 
> although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be 
> pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the 
> pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll 
> help my wife with her allergies.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
> seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to 
> the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs 
> and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs 
> they did.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following 
> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just 
> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our 
> house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the 
> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now 
> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app 
> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are 
> definitely better than others.
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to 
> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most 
> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are 
> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are 
> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted 
> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible 
> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the 
> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any 
> of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible 
> since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if 
> you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place 
> each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well 
> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there 
> are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but 
> it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my 
> Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very 
> interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or 
> ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely 
> accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no trouble 
> at all using the app.
> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one 
> of the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their 
> cleaning and

Re: Roomba

I currently have 9 bots, but I do love central vacuums as well, I do collect 
regular vacuums as well, I currently have 64 vacuums, including several central 
vacuum units, it is possible to use them without pipes simply by connecting a 
hose directly to the unit. I've tried sending out several bots at once, didn't 
work too well, they became quite confused but it was fun to watch.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 11:07 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Mike must really have a thing for Robo Vacuums, I wonder if he could 
> have a Robo Vac war or something, sounds like he has enough of them to wage a 
> serious battle 藍
>  
> Years ago I bought a top of the line Neato model for my Mom after she had hip 
> replacement surgery and while she did use it for a while, she said it had 
> many more issues than it seemed to be worth it. It got stuck quite often and 
> it was never able to finish on a single charge even though my parents' house 
> is not huge, about 1,300 or 1,400 square feet but with a few maybe tricky 
> corners and with both smooth floors and rugs and my Mom said it often got 
> quite confused, maybe also because of the very high ceilings in the living 
> room. But at times she said it spent 15 minutes going over and over the same 
> small area as if it was stuck on some sort of loop. She also said she had to 
> spend a lot of time cleaning its brushes and making sure it was clean in 
> general and while I am sure there are maybe better models out there now, I 
> have so far no desire to try one of these things even though I am a bit of a 
> gadget person. We have hardwood floors throughout the upstairs of our house 
> and tile in the kitchen, bathroom and down the stairs, downstairs it's cork 
> flooring in the guest room and family room and tile in the hallway, but it's 
> just so easy to plug in the hose of the central vac and it's powerful and 
> always works without a fuss. To each their own I guess.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
> Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
>  
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
> seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to 
> the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs 
> and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs 
> they did.
>  
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>  
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
>  
>  
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review
> of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes
> ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
>  
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of
> apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum
> collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which
> apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with
> Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,
> meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you
> will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly
> unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in
> the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to
> note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go
> zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using
> Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be
> made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get
> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean
> the entire place each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with
> Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few
> places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does
> describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus
> totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at
> times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its
> last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to
> get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the

Re: Roomba

I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better than 
any Roomba.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.
> 
> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
> but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
> myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for 
> identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks 
> like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room 
> to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so 
> just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to 
> it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.
> 
> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog 
> and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's 
> been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, 
> although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be 
> pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the 
> pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll 
> help my wife with her allergies.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
> Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Roomba
> 
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
> seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to 
> the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs 
> and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs 
> they did.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review 
> of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes 
> ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
> apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
> collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which 
> apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. 
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with 
> Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, 
> meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you 
> will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly 
> unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in 
> the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to 
> note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go 
> zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using 
> Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be 
> made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get 
> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean 
> the entire place each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
> Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
> places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does 
> describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus 
> totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at 
> times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its 
> last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to 
> get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the 
> best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and 
> navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually 
> have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly 
> differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home 
> screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content 
> from the robot itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate 
> with voiceover.

Re: Roomba

You can go to us.roborock.com and choose the store link, they might have some 
sales on some of their bots right now. I would avoid the Roborock E4 or E5 
since these robots use random navigation rather than mapping the house, go with 
something in the Q or S series.

> On Jul 16, 2022, at 7:22 PM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
> thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
> recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
> the in-between vacuum jobs they did.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Roomba
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review 
> of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes 
> ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
> apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
> collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which 
> apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. 
> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with 
> Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, 
> meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you 
> will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly 
> unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in 
> the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to 
> note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go 
> zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using 
> Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be 
> made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get 
> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean 
> the entire place each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
> particular order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
> Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
> places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does 
> describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus 
> totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at 
> times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its 
> last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to 
> get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the 
> best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and 
> navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually 
> have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly 
> differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home 
> screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content 
> from the robot itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate 
> with voiceover. So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get, 
> things may read slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for 
> the Roborock S4 Max and come to the settings option, Voiceover says 
> "settings." On the other hand, when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, which is 
> Roborock's current top of the line model and one that I would absolutely 
> recommend, the settings option says "possibly games, more." Once you know 
> that this opens the settings screen for the robot it works fine. One other 
> minor quirk about how the app reads, while in the settings screen, if you 
> turn a setting off, Voiceover says "off," but when you enable a feature, 
> rather than saying "on," Voiceover says "Open." Changing the cleaning 
> settings such as the suction power and mop intensity works fine.
> On both the Irobot and Roborock apps, reading the battery level and robot 
> status works fine. The Irobot app will indicate if the battery is high, 
> medium or low, where as the Roborock app indicates the battery level as a 
> percentage.
> The next app I will mention is the Eufy Home app. Eufy is a brand made by 
> Anker which is known for their power banks and battery chargers. Eufy makes 
> a line of robot vacuums called Robovac. Again, this app

Re: Roomba

This might be a good time to add a couple more reviews to the list, I have 
gotten two more robots since I wrote the original review, the 360 s10 and the 
Ecovacs Deebot X1 Plus so I will talk about those apps.
First, the 360 s10 is a really good robot if you don't mind emptying the dust 
bin and don't need a self empty feature. This robot has three lasers that it 
uses to map the house and avoid obstacles. One feature I really like is that 
you can have it clean the entire place twice in one cycle, it takes longer of 
course but it's a deeper clean. The app is called 360 robot and I would put it 
in to the category of usable but not totally accessible. There are a bunch of 
unlabeled buttons but the interesting thing is, the labels come after a series 
of buttons. So, as you swipe through the screen, Voiceover will say "button" a 
couple of times and after that you will have the labels such as clean or 
recharge, double tapping on the labels usually works rather than having to use 
the unlabeled buttons themselves. Setting the suction power and water level for 
the mop can also be done and the settings screen reads very well.
Regarding the Ecovacs Deebot X1 Plus, the X1 is Ecovacs top of the line series 
and there are three bots to choose from, since I wasn't that interested in mop 
features I got the one that just has the self empty station, the X1 Turbo has a 
station that will automatically wash the mop pads, and the X1 Omni has a 
station that will both wash the mop pads and empty the dust bin. While there 
are some controls that read a bit oddly in this app, I'm going to put this app, 
which is called Ecovacs Home in to the mostly accessible category. Setting the 
suction and water levels is quite easy and the settings screens use standard 
check boxes.
While all of these bots are good, I still think Roborock is the best brand over 
all, and they just came out with a new mid range series which includes the Q5, 
Q7 and Q7 Max. All of these will work with Roborock's self empty dock, if you 
don't need the mop feature I would suggest checking out the Q5, or if you want 
the self empty feature you can get the Q5 Plus.
I really can't think of anything at this point that Roomba has over these other 
brands, I think Roomba has really fallen behind on several things. First, their 
navigation uses a camera rather than lasers and this has several disadvantages. 
First, it is not able to create a map as fast as lasers can and it requires 
some light to work correctly. Second, the battery in the Roombas is too small. 
Most of my robots have a 5200 MAH lithium battery and can clean my place twice 
without problems. The Roomba J7, which is Roomba's newest model only has a 2300 
MAH battery and it shows, if I set it to clean twice it needs to go back and 
charge in the middle of the cleaning cycle. If Irobot intends to remain 
competitive they need to get with the times, companies such as Roborock, Eufy, 
360 Smart Life and Ecovacs have completely passed them up as far as robot 
features and performance.
> On Jul 16, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review 
> of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes 
> ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.
> 
> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
> apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
> collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which apps 
> work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. I'm 
> going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly accessible, 
> that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with Voiceover's 
> recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, meaning you can 
> use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you will have to 
> memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly unuseable, 
> that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in the app 
> since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, 
> many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by 
> drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover 
> with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made 
> accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help 
> if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire 
> place each time which is what I do.
> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no particular 
> order.
> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
> Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
> places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does describe 
> those controls well. I had no problems setting up

Re: Roomba