Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[Kellie]

I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because an 
artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t mean you have to 
believe it. You can ask follow-up questions. The beauty is we have deductive 
reasoning and can make that determination with further input. Also, if you’re 
totally blind, every input of an expression is going to be through hearsay 
whether it’s artificial intelligence or another human being. You’re still going 
by their interpretation of the expression, not your own judgment. Every single 
thing that is described to us is through someone else’s eyes or interpretation 
of what they visually perceive it to be. That means, every description is 
suspect since no two people are going to take away the same thing. That’s why 
it doesn’t really bother me if the artificial intelligence Gives an answer that 
isn’t maybe how I’m feeling or etc. because I can use my reasoning to figure it 
out. 

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Nov 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with that. The Be my A I is just telling us what we'd see, if we 
> could - hairy arm; stern expression. I would want it to tell me what it sees.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 4:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> What is wrong with the truth?
> 
>- Original Message - 
>From: Cristóbal Muñoz <mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>  
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 2:09 PM
>Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
>This topic reminds me of these two articles.
> 
>Blind Olympic athletes show the universal nature of pride and shame 
> <https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/blind-olympic-athletes-show-the-universal-nature-of-pride-and-shame>
>  
> 
>The role of visual experience in the production of emotional facial 
> expressions by blind people: 
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5902524/> 
> 
>Sometimes, BeMyEyes descriptions aren’t appreciated. The other day, I used 
> it to snap a photo of a bag of green coffee beans that I wanted to roast. I 
> held the bag of beans in my left hand and snapped the picture with my iPhone 
> in my right hand. BeMyEyes came back with a description of the type of bean, 
> region where they were grown, altitude and a whole bunch of other info I 
> wouldn’t gotten if I tried using SeeingAI. Cool cool… 
> 
>At the end of the very detailed description, BeMyEyes also wrote that the 
> bag was being held by someone with a harry arm. WTH! What’s up with the 
> editorializing? 
> 
> 
> 
>Cristóbal
> 
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 12:31 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
> 
>What did your friend say about your expression? I assume it described you 
> as "serious" because you weren't smiling.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 4:52 PM
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> 
>Subject: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
> 
>Hello friends.
> 
> 
> 
>I appreciate that none of you know me personally and like me have no idea 
> what I look like.
> 
> 
> 
>However, at my request a friend of mine took a picture of me recently when 
> we were in what we call in the UK a pub.  I was very interested in the 
> results I obtained when asking Be My AI to describe the photo.  It’s 
> description was:
> 
> 
> 
>The man in the picture has a fair complexion and a sturdy build. His hair 
> is short and appears to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of 
> hair. His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
> expression on his face. His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is 
> clean-shaven.
> 
> 
> 
>He is wearing a dark-colored polo shirt with a collar. The shirt has a 
> small embroidery on the right side of his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in 
> a cursive font with gold thread. The shir

Re: Be my eyes new service

[Kellie]

I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I have the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I can make up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am very happy with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it makes me feel like I can see again. But I understand that everybody approaches us differently.Kellie and my lovable Lady J  Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  wrote:I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something is “adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description.Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my AI to handle descriptions of people, animals and things:  The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the backgroundThanks  John Riehl  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison MaySent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Be my eyes new service I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day. My current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details really bring the picture alive. The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright, curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the backgroundSent from my iPhone by Alison may0777 315 8181On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy  wrote: Hi,The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple.Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12vFollow www.twitter.com/theblindman12vFollow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12vthose who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Paula Pinder  wrote: I'vbe tried all that. I've written to disabil...@apple.com so hopefully they will reply. Thanks for your suggestions. Best wishes Paula Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2Sent from Outlook for AndroidFrom: Paula Pinder Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE  Thanks all for your messages. I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have tried everything everyone suggested. Best wishes Paula Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2Sent from Outlook for AndroidFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Dennis Long Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE  First this isn’t an android list.    Second I would just switch back to iOS.  You wouldn’t have this problem on iOS.  You can attempt contacting Google accessibility but if you have the experience Jonathan Mosen and others who called his show have had good luck. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula PinderSent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:06 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE Hi All I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks a lot. Best wishes Paula-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for 

Virtual exploration with gps

[Kellie]

Hey all, I was hoping you could help me figure out which app I’m talking about. 
Which GPS app will allow you to virtually explore a location even if you are 
not physically there? I use this ages ago and now I can’t remember which app it 
is.  I went through all my apps and can’t find it. Did they change it or am I 
just not remembering how to do it. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you so 
much in advance. Kellie and Loki 
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Wifi dish washers

[Kellie]

Hey everyone, but to come out here and ask a question. So our dishwasher bit 
the dust and we are soon going to be in the market for purchasing a new one. I 
was just curious if anyone knew of any Wi-Fi models that were assessable. Not 
even sure if it’s a thing. But I am trying to get as much as possible Wi-Fi 
accessible since we don’t have a whole lot of assistance with labeling Our 
appliances.  We have a Wi-Fi oven. That is great in terms of accessibility with 
the app on the iPhone. I was just curious if the same Held true for 
dishwashers. Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: good replacement for soundscape?

[Kellie]

Thank you for these apps, as I was wanting to find a replacement for alerting 
me of intersections. Removed recently and I’ve been using that to help me 
orient as well. I’ve used it when I’ve gone into unfamiliar areas to take my 
son trick-or-treating in an area that I wasn’t familiar with, but knew That 
certain streets were blocking it off. Soundscape was immensely helpful in that 
regard. I’m still very disappointed that it’s going away, but hope I can use 
these other apps in that place. 

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Jan 13, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sieghard,
> Great suggestion and also free!
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-outdoors/id945756779
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 11:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: good replacement for soundscape?
> 
> Also Goodmaps Outdoor
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regs2...@rogers.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 11:22 AM
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> 
> Blind Square 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: January 13, 2023 1:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: good replacement for soundscape?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use microsoft soundscape when I go out for walks to let me know what 
> intersections I am approaching.  What is a good replacement for this 
> functionality?
> 
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> Sincerely,
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Re: Wi-Fi ovens

[Kellie]

I heard of induction stoves but I’m not very familiar with them. I assume we 
can cook everything that you would in a regular stove? How do you know where 
the burners are on the top? Because aren’t they flat? And those are the ones 
that use magnets right? If so, do you have to buy all new pots and pans?
Sorry for all the questions but just curious since we are looking into this and 
want to definitely get something that will work for us. I most definitely would 
love if possible to have Wi-Fi though for sure I’m going to spend a little 
extra because that way we don’t have to worry about trying to label everything 
and then if the label falls etc.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2022, at 7:47 AM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> I am so glad you brought up Induction cook tops stoves. They are definitely 
> my new favorite.  One thing that I don't think you mentioned is that the 
> temperature response is just as good as cooking with a gas stove.  When you 
> turn it down the temperature drops immediately.  I absolutely love this way 
> of cooking.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
> 
> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
> strength.
> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 12:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Wi-Fi ovens
> 
> 
> First of all, I highly recommend you consider electric with an induction 
> cooktop, nothing beats it!
> 
> We bought a GE stove from their Café series and the app is useable although 
> could be better. You can also integrate with Alexa if you wish. The only 
> thing which has to be marked and this may have changed with newer models, is 
> the "WiFi Enable" button. It is on the oven's touch screen and you do have 
> to first tap it before the app will connect. However, I set this up 3 years 
> ago and it has never not connected once the WiFi enable was tapped. The oven 
> we chose has actually two ovens, one smaller upper oven which is still 
> perfectly big enough for a pizza, sheet cake and many other things and then 
> the full-size lower oven. Advanced functions like convection bake, roast and 
> so on are only available for the lower oven, but we definitely use the upper 
> oven a lot more. The control for the cooktop are nice knobs which I think 
> are still best as it makes frequent small changes much easier. There are 4 
> areas on the cooktop and a fifth warming plate and on the left side you can 
> combine the front and back for one larger heating area and of course 
> induction is the most efficient and fastest cooking method. I recently read 
> an article which stated that gas stoves and cooktops actually emit a lot of 
> air pollution into the house and whereas an induction cooktop is 85% 
> efficient, gas is 35% efficient. Then of course there is the advantage that 
> it is really difficult to burn yourself, of course while you are cooking the 
> oil or water you are heating is just as hot, and while the cooktop is hot 
> right after you remove a pot or pan, if you just briefly touch it you won't 
> even burn yourself then and about 2 minutes later it's already cool enough 
> to touch and clean. Lastly, if something boils over it won't get all burned 
> in and cleaning the stove top is super easy.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kellie
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 9:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wi-Fi ovens
> 
> Hey Al, hope you all are doing well. I had a question and thought I'd come 
> out here and ask for input. We are in the market for a new oven and we have 
> seen that they have some Wi-Fi models available. Does anyone know if any of 
> these have an accessible app that will work with voiceover? My husband and I 
> are both totally blind. I should also mention that we are looking for a gas 
> oven if that makes a difference. Thanks so much in advance.
> 
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Wi-Fi ovens

[Kellie]

Hey Al, hope you all are doing well. I had a question and thought I’d come out 
here and ask for input. We are in the market for a new oven and we have seen 
that they have some Wi-Fi models available. Does anyone know if any of these 
have an accessible app that will work with voiceover? My husband and I are both 
totally blind. I should also mention that we are looking for a gas oven if that 
makes a difference. Thanks so much in advance.

Kellie and Loki   
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Re: Weird lyft problem

[Kellie]

Then that’s your prerogative not to reply to third-party requests but you 
wasted a message in responding. My husband doesn’t do email lists so I told him 
I would ask. It’s information that I value as well since if I ever have this 
problem happened to my phone I’ll know the answer. 

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Jul 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I do not respond to third party requests. If he wants me to respond,
> he needs to subscribe himself and post to the list rather than use a
> spokeswoman.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 7/19/20, Debby  wrote:
>> Hi Kellie,
>> 
>> I don't really have an answer because like you Lyft is working for me on my
>> SE 2020. When he puts in the information what does he see on the screen?
>> When I put in the information, I only put in the street number and a few
>> letters of the street name. I don't tap the search button. The list of
>> possible addresses show up.
>> 
>> Good luck! Take care!
>> 
>> Debby
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kellie
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Weird lyft problem
>> 
>> hey everyone, I wanted to come out here and see if anyone is experiencing
>> the same weird issue that my husband is having with the Lyft app. so, if he
>> is going to input a Destiination that he has not been to recently and
>> doesn’t pop up in the list of possible choices, he goes to search for a new
>> address and when you put the address in voice over refuses to speak any of
>> the results. Never used to do this but it is now. Oddly enough though, my
>> phone is not having that problem neither my 11 Pro nor 8+ which I had before
>> and he currently has.
>> The app has been updated to the most recent version, he has also tried
>> deleting and reinstalling it several times and yet he still having the same
>> problem. Yet I can go in and search for a new location and book the ride
>> with no problems. Can anyone figure out what or why this is happening and
>> how to fix it? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Kellie and Loki
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Weird lyft problem

[Kellie]

hey everyone, I wanted to come out here and see if anyone is experiencing the 
same weird issue that my husband is having with the Lyft app. so, if he is 
going to input a Destiination that he has not been to recently and doesn’t pop 
up in the list of possible choices, he goes to search for a new address and 
when you put the address in voice over refuses to speak any of the results. 
Never used to do this but it is now. Oddly enough though, my phone is not 
having that problem neither my 11 Pro nor 8+ which I had before and he 
currently has. 
The app has been updated to the most recent version, he has also tried deleting 
and reinstalling it several times and yet he still having the same problem. Yet 
I can go in and search for a new location and book the ride with no problems. 
Can anyone figure out what or why this is happening and how to fix it? Thanks 
in advance

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iPhone continuously crashing after update. Please help!

[Kellie]

hey everyone, I was hoping someone here could offer suggestions on what I can 
do before I throw my phone across the room. When I was told that I received a 
software update I chose yesterday that I would have it installed between the 
hours of 1 AM and 5 AM. Usually, every time it wants to install it I’m in the 
middle of doing something so I have to keep putting it off.
Well I assume it installed overnight however, ever since I got up this morning, 
it crashes constantly! And I don’t mean when I have a specific app or anything. 
Sometimes, my phone is locked and it crashes and I know it does because it’s a 
screen curtain on and I have to type in my password to unlock. I’m not 
exaggerating when I say it’s been doing it 40 or 50 times today alone. We’ll 
see how long I can even dictate this message before it crashes on me. End it 
already crashed once during this message. I’m at a loss as to what to do. I 
looked online and saw a suggestion where are you can do I guess it’s called 
like a soft reset. They said if you have the iPhone 8+, which I do, you tap the 
app volume button then the down volume button then you hold in the power button 
until you see the apple symbol. Well, can’t see the apple symbol but I know 
that I did restart it but it did not fix it. Does anyone know how I can undo 
the update that I installed last night? I’m thinking maybe it was corrupted 
somehow. If not that does anyone have any suggestions of what else I can try? I 
will do a complete reset if I have to but I’m definitely trying to avoid that 
if I can. it is totally possible that it is not related to the update only 
because my phone has dropped a few times and he’s a little quirky in other 
instances but I suspect it has something to do with the update since it worked 
fine until this morning.
Anyone have any suggestions on what I could do I greatly appreciate it and you 
would save my sanity.


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Bluetooth keyboard

[Kellie]

Hey all, coming out here to get recommendations for good Bluetooth keyboards 
for my iPhone. I had one in the past it was logitech but it’s not charging for 
some reason anymore. I was just seeing what different models people liked what 
brands? Pros and cons as well. Thanks so much and advance.

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Re: how to add items to cart with Uber Eats

[Kellie]

Ours hasn’t said dimmed but maybe I need to pay attention since the latest 
update. However, the way we always know is if it doesn’t tell you how long of a 
wait before you receive your delivery like 15 to 20 minutes or so. If it 
doesn’t give an estimated time, my experience is that it means it’s  not 
available.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Nov 9, 2019, at 9:48 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just look at the name of the restaurant and you will see if it is dimmed or 
> not.
> 
> Karen
> 
> 
> At 03:16 PM 11/9/2019, you wrote:
>> Well that sucks!
>> Wish we had a way to know if a restaurant was unavailable.
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
>> Brandt
>> Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 5:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how to add items to cart with Uber Eats
>>  
>> I just placed my second Uber eats order, spurred on by wanting to hopefully 
>> answer your question: I ran into your situation when attempting an order 
>> from red lobster. When I went to another restaurant, the add to cart button 
>> was present in the bottom right corner. Therefore, I conclude that when a 
>> restaurant is closed or otherwise off-line, that the add to cart button 
>> won’t show.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:46 PM, < sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> < 
>> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> All I cannot figure this out. I put in my delivery address, located the 
>> restaurant, picked the first item choose my side but the quantity is not 
>> there and there is no add to cart button.
>> Help.
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Re: Accessible recipes App

[Kellie]

I also use all recipes app which has some accessibility challenges but I can 
still use it. Unfortunately, are used to be able to save things to favorites 
and easily access them but I can’t any longer. However, from the main screen if 
I just search for recipes I can tap on whatever options come up and read the 
recipe. Another one I have started using is called big oven. So far, though 
I’ve just started using it, it seems to be accessible. They are both free.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Jan 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Popular recipe sites like Foodnetwork, Epicurious etc. often have their own 
> apps. I seem to remember that I downloaded the Food Network app at one point 
> and found it pretty accessible. However, Paprika 3 is definitely a good one, 
> as others said, it's not a recipe app in the traditional sense but an app for 
> collecting recipes from a variety of sites. You just go to the browser 
> section which basically let's you do a Google search for whatever you are 
> looking for and you then browse the results. If you see one that looks good 
> you can double tap on it and read the details and if you like it you save it 
> to the app which pulls all the ingredients and directions into their proper 
> tabs.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Feir
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 5:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Accessible recipes App
>  
> Hello. I've been looking into the current state of accessible cooking apps 
> for an upcoming segment on Kelly and Company. Sadly, it appears that Yes Chef 
> is no more. It has disappeared from the Canadian app store at any rate. The 
> latest information I cold find from Conversant Labs was in 2017. It said 
> nothing about them closing down but the app's gone and there's nothing more 
> current.
>  
> There's still digging around to be done but the Betty Crocker one still seems 
> useable as was suggested earlier. Also, another favourite on Applevis seems 
> to be the Paprika3 Recipe manager. It lets you find recipes on the web and 
> download them right from the page you find them on. It puts ingredients and 
> directions in separate sections and can convert measurements. It seems like a 
> very powerful cooking aid from what I've read. The Joy of Cooking is 
> available as an app as well for around $10. It seems pretty accessible at 
> first glance.
>  
> Another thing you may want to try is to buy a cookbook in the Apple Books or 
> Kindle apps. I bought How to Cook Everything and it seems quite possible to 
> navigate to recipes. They've clearly improved the Books app since iOS12 came 
> out. It's not skipping text anymore thank goodness. I also got Salt Fat Acid 
> Heat for Kindle but have yet to experiment with how practical the Kindle app 
> is versus Books.
>  
> Another thing to perhaps try is watching the Salt Fat Acid Heat documentary 
> on Netflix. It's fully described and all of the non-english discussion is 
> translated into English as part of the audio description. There are doubtless 
> other food-related shows out there which have been similarly described.
>  
> Hope that helps you out. Don't forget that the SEEing AI app and other apps 
> might help identify things in the kitchen and/or follow instructions. 
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:53 PM Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> You might want to try the Betty Crocker Cookbook.  It is now on version 8 
> point something and seems to work better.
> One note though, it shows the chapters and recipes as headings, but if you 
> double tap on them, it then opens up like it was a button or a link.
> 
> There is about 15,000 recipes.
> 
> It is free.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
> Stimmel
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Accessible recipes App
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was wondering, are there any accessible recipe Apps out there?
> I am looking for 1 that will have all sorts of recipes, and that will be 
> pretty accessible. I want to be able to get recipe recommendations. But I 
> also want to be able to look through recipes, and even search for them.
> It would also be nice to be able to find different recipes for certain needs. 
> Such as, needing to use Splinda, or needs for a diabetic diet. But I don’t 
> know if this sort of thing is possible.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> I did an App search, and found an App I really liked. I believe it was called 
> Yumly.
> However

Accessible apps for wireless printers

[Kellie]

Hey everyone, I had a question and hope somebody would be able to give some 
suggestions here. I am currently looking for a wireless printer and wondered if 
anyone knew which had accessible apps that could be used with them. I was told 
that a lot of the Wi-Fi printers are touchscreen and they themselves are not 
very accessible but that if they have an app to go with it we could still use 
it. If anyone could give me any information or share what they know I’d 
appreciate it. Thank you so much in advance.



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Re: How do I see if I have Google Lense?

[Kellie]

I had my sided friend take a look at it and she does not see a google lens 
button at all. She has it on her phone which is not an iPhone but not visible 
on mine at all.

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I just sent a note to disability-supp...@google.com
> and got their automatic response that they will reply within 72 hours
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Mar 20, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Kellie <pebbles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am not seeing as an option either. I will have a coworker look. 
>> 
>> Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Godwin,
>>> Have you done this with VoiceOver?
>>> I have the update that says Google Lens is included, but that option does 
>>> not come up.
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>>> Godwin Adoyi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:59 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How do I see if I have Google Lense?
>>>  
>>> Hi, 
>>> Lunch the google photo app, select the photo tab at the bottom and then tap 
>>> on any photo, lens is one of of the menu below.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>>> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of 
>>> Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:37:32 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: How do I see if I have Google Lense?
>>>  
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have the latest IOS version. I also have the latest version of Google 
>>> Photos.
>>> 
>>> How do I figure out if I have Google Lense as an option?
>>> 
>>> Where do I look for it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Terri
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Re: How do I see if I have Google Lense?

[Kellie]

I am not seeing as an option either. I will have a coworker look. 

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Godwin,
> Have you done this with VoiceOver?
> I have the update that says Google Lens is included, but that option does not 
> come up.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Godwin 
> Adoyi
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I see if I have Google Lense?
>  
> Hi, 
> Lunch the google photo app, select the photo tab at the bottom and then tap 
> on any photo, lens is one of of the menu below.
>  
>  
> Godwin Adoyi Agada
> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Terri 
> Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:37:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How do I see if I have Google Lense?
>  
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I have the latest IOS version. I also have the latest version of Google 
> Photos.
> 
> How do I figure out if I have Google Lense as an option?
> 
> Where do I look for it?
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: Wordfinder game

[Kellie]

I must’ve missed this game. What is it called? Sounds like something I would 
very much enjoy playing but I don’t see anywhere were the name of the game is 
mentioned.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Feb 25, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m fairly new to this app so I don’t know why you can get 1521 words out of 
> a puzzle. I would think the same thing I don’t know why when I choose ogre 
> for example it will automatically add the plural word to it. There is a 
> podcast on AppleVis demoing this app.
> 
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>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> Even using the most liberal  rules, how one can get 1521 words out of the 
>> selection shown in Maria's original post, I, simply, can't imagine!
>>  
>>   Jewel
>> From: Maria Reyes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Wordfinder game
>>  
>> Hi all,, 
>> I am playing the word finder game and am trying to find some more words to 
>> complete the puzzle. There are 1521 words that can be made with these 
>> letters. A e n r m e g o s.
>> Here are the words I found so far.
>> Words already found
>> age , ages , anger , angers , are , ares , arm , arms , arose , ear , earn , 
>> earns , ears , ease , eases , gag , gags , game , gamer , gamers , games , 
>> gas , gasses , gene , genes , genom , genoms , goes , goose , gooses , gorge 
>> , gorges , green , greens , gross , mam , mams , man , manner , manners , 
>> mans , mar , mars , mass , masses , mean , meaner , means , mega , meme , 
>> men , mens , merge , merges , mess , mog , mogs , mom , moms , monroe , moon 
>> , moons , more , mores , moses , moss , mosses , nag , nags , name , names , 
>> near , nears , nose , noses , one , ones , rag , rage , rages , rags , ram , 
>> rams , ran , range , ranger , rangers , ranges , rans , rose , roses , sag , 
>> sags , sam , same , sames , sane , sang , sangs , sass , sea , sean , seans 
>> , seas , see , seen , sees , smear , smears , smore , smores , snag , snags 
>> , sneer , sneers , snore , snores , sog , sogs , some , soon ,
>> Thanks.
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Re: Question about family sharing

[Kellie]

Thanks for responding. We do have family sharing enabled and I have my husband 
on it. He blind alive app says family sharing but I can’t seem to figure out 
how to share the exercise that I purchased on it.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Have you already set up Family Sharing in Settings > Your Name Apple Id (the 
> first item at the top?
> That would be your first step, if you double tap on that find Family Sharing 
> and add your husband.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kellie
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about family sharing
> 
> Hey all, I had a question about family sharing. I have the blind alive app 
> and it says that you can share with other family members. How do I accomplish 
> this? Does this mean I can share an exercise that I purchased? I can’t seem 
> to figure out how to share with my husband. If anybody has any tips I’d 
> appreciate it. Thanks so much
> 
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Question about family sharing

[Kellie]

Hey all, I had a question about family sharing. I have the blind alive app and 
it says that you can share with other family members. How do I accomplish this? 
Does this mean I can share an exercise that I purchased? I can’t seem to figure 
out how to share with my husband. If anybody has any tips I’d appreciate it. 
Thanks so much

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Re: The Email Deleting Messages Bug

[Kellie]

I do think this is a bug but I seem to have determined when it switches back to 
activate versus delete. Trying to think of the best way to explain it though. 
Whenever I have a thread, I have to flick up to delete. Then if a single 
message that is not in the thread is following it, I also have to flick up to 
delete. If after that single message however, there is another single message 
that is not in a thread, it does not revert back to the default activate. It 
stays on the delete button. It will stay on that delete button until I get to 
another thread of messages. At least that is how it is working on my phone. And 
I also have the same problem in the app switcher and that drive me crazy. I 
hope this made some sense. As I know what I mean but I’m not sure if I’m 
explaining it clearly.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is on my iPad mini two. Flick up and you get drag, flick up again 
> and you get delete. I have not change my phone to iOS 11.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Is this on your iPad? On my 6S I get delete if I flick up from a message.
>> Also, on my iPhone there is no change in behaviour when closing tabs, it 
>> always worked for me so that once I switched the rotor to delete I could 
>> simply double tap on any open tab and it would close, I did not have to 
>> reset it to delete for each tab and I just tested this and it still works 
>> the same.
>> I sometimes get newsletters, one for example is from Memory Express, a 
>> computer store. It comes every Sunday evening and has 7 deals one for each 
>> day of the upcoming week. Each day is a link so  I tap on it, it opens in 
>> Safari and I can check what it is and if it's of interest. When I'm done I 
>> have 7 open tabs and for that the 3D press on the "Pages" button is awesome, 
>> it pops up instantly with two options, "New tab" or "Close all tabs", I tap 
>> on that and all of these tabs I just opened to check out the daily sale 
>> items are gone at once.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:48 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The Email Deleting Messages Bug
>> 
>> Whatever, it should be consistent in all cases. If the default is activated, 
>> then it should go there in all cases in all apps etc. Besides, I do not want 
>> to delete all of my tabs. So I would appreciate it if nothing was 
>> consistent. There is another sort of nitpick with the mail, because now in 
>> the list of messages, if you flick up once, instead of getting to delete, 
>> you get to drag. I can't imagine too many of us are going to be using drag 
>> whole hell of a lot in this context. But some genius decided that more 
>> people would use that then would use delete. Or maybe that's why they 
>> decided to make deleting easier if confusing.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure it is a bug because in the app switcher, for example, 
>>> where it makes sense to leave the rotor on Delete once you put it there it 
>>> reverts to Activate.
>>> In Safari it always has stayed on Delete, in any case, I rarely close 
>>> multiple tabs this way since you can just hard press on the Pages button 
>>> and close all tabs at once.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The Email Deleting Messages Bug
>>> 
>>> As noted yesterday, this behavior is exactly what happens in Safari when 
>>> you are in the list of open tabs that comes up after you hit the button 
>>> that says pages. Except the Safari one is even worse, because sometimes 
>>> voiceover announces something but that's not what gets focus. So you end up 
>>> deleting something that you didn't mean to delete and really did want to 
>>> open. Nonetheless, I wonder if this is a deliberate change. As long as you 
>>> keep deleting messages and don't move to anything else, such as another 
>>> message or one of the things on the bottom of t

Re: Can you scan a street sign?

[Kellie]

Which mode on Seeing AI were using to try and read the street sign with? When 
you said that I told you that it was a palm tree or something, that told me 
that perhaps you were using the scene beta? Maybe try using short text? I 
apologize for dictation errors I have a 9 1/2 month old and my other arm so 
can't really go back and correct very easily.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Evan Reese <ment...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
> You might try Tap Tap See. I’ve used it to read the brand name and model of 
> my neighbor’s boat, and someone’s car. Since the letters are bound to be 
> large, make sure you stand back several feet to get a good view of them. I 
> think it would work.
> Evan
>  
>  
> From: Mr. Ed
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> Subject: Can you scan a street sign?
>  
> Hi Everyone.
> I tried using the Seeing AI app to scan a street sign. I  thought someone 
> said they used it to scan street signs. When I tried it it told me it was a 
> palm tree with a sign. LOL. Any suggestions on what app could be used to read 
> a street sign?
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Can attachments be added to an email message

[Kellie]

As the subject says, I'm curious if there's ways to add attachments while you 
were replying to an email message in the native mail app on the iPhone. I would 
like to attach some photos that I took and send them to someone but I'm not 
sure how to do so. Thank you in advance if anyone knows if this is possible and 
how to do so.

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Neato bot vacuum

[Kellie]

Hey everyone, I just had a question about the neato bot vacuum. 
Is there any particular model that I should be looking at for accessibility? We 
found one online that is supposed to be good if you have pets. The model is the 
D 80. Is this model have an iPhone app to go with it? Or is there another model 
that people have been buying. 
Thank you and advance for any help.

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Re: At Bat since the upgrade to iOS10

[Kellie]

We aren't having authorization issue but what my husband and I are getting is a 
problem where the audio will just stop playing. Then when you start the feed 
again, it goes back in time to the same point just stops. I haven't been able 
to listen to my Indians games at all.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:14 PM, don bishop <w6...@donbishop.org> wrote:
> 
> I used at bat for afew hours last night listening to a game and had no 
> problems, but it can definitely be a fineky app sometimes. 
> 
> Don  
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Rich Ring  <richr...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:26 am
> Subject: At Bat since the upgrade to iOS10
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings.
>> I wonder if anyone on this list uses MLB At Bat to listen to major league 
>> baseball games. And, if so, have any of you noticed any problems with the 
>> audio since updating to iOS 10? What is happening to me is that no matter 
>> what game I choose to listen to, within about 2 minutes, the audio fails, 
>> and when I try to restart it, I receive the message "authorization failed" 
>> The only way I can get the audio back at least for a short time is to remove 
>> At Bat from my app switcher and relaunch it. I would really like to know if 
>> this issue is only happening to me.
>> Rising with the Phoenix
>>  www.the-phoenix.net Sent from my Mac Book Air
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>> Greetings.
>> I wonder if anyone on this list uses MLB At Bat to listen to major league 
>> baseball games. And, if so, have any of you noticed any problems with the 
>> audio since updating to iOS 10? What is happening to me is that no matter 
>> what game I choose to listen to, within about 2 minutes, the audio fails, 
>> and when I try to restart it, I receive the message "authorization failed" 
>> The only way I can get the audio back at least for a short time is to remove 
>> At Bat from my app switcher and relaunch it. I would really like to know if 
>> this issue is only happening to me.
>> 
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Tips for playing adventure to fate battle arena

[Kellie]

Hey everyone, I had a few questions about the game adventure to fate battle 
arena. I am managing to play somewhat but a little assistance would be 
appreciated. As there are a few things which just confounds me. 
First, I am not entirely sure how to equip an item when I purchase it or obtain 
it. I know how to go to my inventory but I don't always see all the items 
there. Long side with this is how does that compare button work. I tapped 
compare and see nothing on the screen. I understand the different windows 
overlap each other and I've tried touching at different points on the screen 
but have not had any success in figuring this out. Also, I don't understand or 
see how I am to use potions. Sometimes my HP or SP are low and I can't figure 
out how to take a potion to increase them. Anybody have any tips for these as 
well as any other suggestions to make playing this game easier I would 
appreciate it

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Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding VoiceOver Accessibility

[Kellie]

I have imported an image PDF file to K NFB reader and it was able to extract 
the text from the file. I don't know if it would work the same in this 
particular instance and if there are subscription fees I don't blame people for 
not trying.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That wasn't the question.
> But, getting the image out of the app to run through KNFB Reader could be 
> rather interesting.
> Plus, no telling how good the images are when it comes to OCR and, probably, 
> there is a subscription fee.  I personally wouldn't risk it since there is no 
> way to know if you would get a usable magazine even if you could get it into 
> KNFB Reader.
> The magazine source needs to offer an accessible version in text format, 
> whether through this app or some other way.
> 
> JMO,
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> VoiceOver Accessibility
> 
> Why can't KNFB reader handle it as an ocr?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
> VoiceOver Accessibility
> 
> 
> 
> Voice Dream Reader cannot read image based PDF files. It does not do any OCR.
> Your text book was in text PDF. However, for sighted users, Voice Dream 
> Reader gives the option to view image PDF files in original 
> layout.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Voice Dream Reader does a great jobwith pdfs. I don’t know if it can handle 
>> pdfs based on images, but I read an entire textbook 
>> using it.
>> If VoiceDream can do it, perhaps this other app can be made to handle pdf 
>> through some sort of ocr-based solution.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 10:18 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Unacceptable Response from Issuu Support Team Regarding 
>> VoiceOver Accessibility
>> 
>> I went through this with iPhone Life.  They were very nice folks who took 
>> the time to explain to me that the reason why they use 
>> PDF is so the magazine in PDF format looks exactly like the print magazine.  
>> PDF is actually a picture of the document and no 
>> screen reader can read a picture to you.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Air
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear All:
>> 
>> Issuu is an app which provides access to millions of magazines, newsletters, 
>> etc., on virtually any topic you can think of.  My 
>> son, who is also a VoiceOver user, wanted to access his high school’s 
>> newspaper which is on the platform. However, it is in an 
>> image pdf.  Furthermore, trying to get around the app is nightmarish, and it 
>> does not appear that any of the available resources 
>> is accessible.
>> I wrote to their support center, and this is the response I received.  My 
>> response to that unhelpful response is first, with the 
>> response in the middle, with my original message at the bottom. I think this 
>> is absolutely something which should be available to 
>> those who use screen readers. If others agree, I think we should bombard 
>> them with requests to make their platform accessible.
>> Christine
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "Christine Grassman (issuu Support Team)" <feedb...@issuu.com>
>> Subject: Update from issuu Support Re: Poor VoiceOver accessibility
>> Date: February 19, 2016 at 10:16:27 AM EST
>> To: Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: issuu Support Team <feedb...@issuu.com>
>> 
>> ## Please do not write below this line ##
>> 
>> 
>> Christine Grassman
>> Feb 19, 16:16
>> 
>> With all due respect, there is no excuse for this. Apple makes available to 
>> developers, free of charge, guidelines for making apps 
>> accessible. There's absolutely no reason not

Re: iPhone 6 unfamiliar sound

[Kellie]

Thank you for this exclamation as it answers the question of why my husbands 6S 
does this. LOL we were of been trying to figure that out.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It scrolls the screen down, so it’s easier to operate with one hand. It 
> places all the stuff that’s at the top of the screen normally near the bottom 
> half.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kim Samco <ksa...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OMG!  That's it!  Thank ou!  Now, what does reachability mean?
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can think of is reachability, when you double tap the home 
>>> button, not press it. You’re probably doing it and not realizing it.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Kim Samco <ksa...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still getting acquainted with the iPhone 6 and there is a sound that I 
>>>> haven't herd on any of my other iPhones.
>>>> 
>>>> As with many sounds it's hard to describe in an e-mail.  It's sort of 
>>>> between a swoosh and the sound a pterodactyl. might make  I looked in the 
>>>> sound settings and only saw the sounds that I'm familiar with.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone tell me what this sound means and if I can get rid of it.  
>>>> 
>>>> Oh...I haven't really been able to pinpoint exactly when it does it.  I 
>>>> guess sometimes when I close a folder and/or app.
>>>> 
>>>> THanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Kim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Dictation bug fixed?

[Kellie]

I also sometimes get this bug. It isn't constant that it completely crashes 
voiceover. Sometimes, it will just be sluggish and then it will come back. 
Other times, I have to triple tap the home key to turn voiceover off and then 
triple tap it again to turn it back on in order for me to regain speech. I'm 
using a 5S.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, happens with my 4S and 6S also.
> 
> There are some things, such as this and I'm thinking too of the keyboard 
> problems, where Voice-Over just is freaking out or not performing well. I do 
> hope they get a handle on these things very soon. (Maybe Voice-Over needs an 
> upgrade itself )
> 
> Carol P
> 
>> On 24/10/2015 18:19, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi sieghard,
>> This I don't think is the dictation bug we're talking about now. It's the 
>> one where you hit send and then you wait for a while for voiceover to come 
>> back. And it takes longer to come back depending on the length of the thread 
>> to which you are replying. I have a brand-new iPhone 6s, as the other one I 
>> had died. And I'm sorry to say that this issue is present on this iPhone, as 
>> it was on the previous one, and my 5S, and the 4S, and The iPad mini two. It 
>> is amazing to me that all these devices should have this problem. I wonder 
>> why you don't have it. It certainly doesn't happen if voice over his 
>> disabled. This iPhone was set up as a new device, unlike my other one where 
>> I used a back up from iTunes.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> 
>>> I just tried it, I replied to an email a customer sent to me earlier this 
>>> week, I typed out a message and when I tapped Send I heard the swoosh sound 
>>> and instantly I was back in my Inbox, Voiceover was talking and responsive, 
>>> there was no sluggishness or Voiceover disappearing at all. I have no idea 
>>> why this is happening to some of you, definitely not anything I can 
>>> reproduce here.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:04 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard. Sending a new message is fine. It's when you reply to an email 
>>> that Voiceover crashes. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi again,
>>>> 
>>>> I just tried this on my old 5S and my 6S, both are now on iOS 9.1. I sent 
>>>> an email to myself, I dictated it and tried it both with screen curtain 
>>>> off which is usually what I have but I also tried it with screen curtain 
>>>> on. In all four scenarios as soon as I double tap on the Send button I 
>>>> hear the swoosh noise and I am back in my Inbox immediately with Voiceover 
>>>> talking and I really mean immediately, there isn't even a second or two 
>>>> delay.
>>>> 
>>>> As I said, I would definitely close all apps, then go to Settings > 
>>>> General > Reset and double tap Reset Network Settings. This will prompt 
>>>> you to confirm and then after a couple of seconds your device will reboot. 
>>>> Once you are back on the home screen you have to go to Settings > WiFi and 
>>>> reconnect to your WiFi network (you will need your password). Then give it 
>>>> a try and see if it makes a difference.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Rajmund
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:41 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Dictation bug fixed?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I confirm the focus, and t

Re: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run faster or last longer

[Kellie]

I agree with you on this. I have had in the past where my battery was rundown 
until I close something that was running. So has my friend. I can't speak of 
recent years since this was a while ago. However, it's not hurting me to waste 
10 seconds to close apps.  

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Maybe so and maybe no. I have read articles like this before and while this 
> may be correct theoretically, I think what the author does not consider is 
> that not all apps are created equal. How often have you seen something in the 
> What's New section of an app that menbtions the developer has fixed a memory 
> leak or fixed something which caused excessive use of battery power or they 
> fixed something which caused the app to remain active in the background. I 
> have seen all of these in the last 5 years at some point or another so all it 
> takes is a developer who hasn't done a good job with their code and of course 
> removing the offending app from the app switcher will fix this. Therefore I 
> happily continue to waste 10 or 20 seconds of my valueable time once or twice 
> a day to force quit the apps I don't use. For the amount of time it took the 
> author to write this article and post it, he could have probably closed apps 
> on his phone once a day for years to come especially since I think a sighted 
> person can swipe up and close multiple or even all apps at once.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Stop force closing apps on your iPhone, it's not making it run 
> faster or last longer
> 
> this one may cause some commenting. I admit I do this closing apps things a 
> lot.
> Mary
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/21/stop-force-closing-apps-on-your-iphone-its-not-making-it-run-faster-or-last-longer
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Uber

[Kellie]

Hi, are you asking about the Uber app? If so, the Uber app is free. If, you 
were asking about how much it costs to use Huber then it depends on the city 
you are in and the distance you were traveling.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> Hi how much is uber?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games

[Kellie]

Since we are sharing our Dice World! usernames. Mine is lady_wolf. I will play 
any game.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
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> On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Rebecca Ilniski <rilni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll play any game emcept pig. username is rilniski
> 
> Rebecca and Zeb
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:46 AM, MamaPeach <mamapeac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> User name is below. Please be aware that I only accept bonus games when 
>> playing Farkel and I reject all requests for playing Pig. My user name is:
>> MamaPeach67
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Steve & Shannon Cook
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>> 
>> What is your user name?
>> 
>> Steve and Shannon Cook
>> Steve on Dice World: Steve6009
>> Steve on Twitter: @SteveCook67
>> Today I married my best friend.
>> The one that I laugh with, live for, love.
>> October 11, 2003
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of MamaPeach
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 6:26 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>> 
>> I got the same results, no player found with Ladywolf105.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve & Shannon Cook
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 6:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>> 
>> Hi Beth,
>> 
>> I have searched for your user name Ladywolf105 on Dice World and it comes 
>> back no user found.
>> 
>> Steve and Shannon Cook
>> Steve on Dice World: Steve6009
>> Steve on Twitter: @SteveCook67
>> Today I married my best friend.
>> The one that I laugh with, live for, love.
>> October 11, 2003
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Beth G
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Ladywolf105 is me on diceworld
>> 
>> Beth
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Steve & Shannon Cook <cookc...@sc.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I enjoy Dice World!  My user name is Steve6009
>>> 
>>> Steve and Shannon Cook
>>> Steve on Dice World: Steve6009
>>> Steve on Twitter: @SteveCook67
>>> Today I married my best friend.
>>> The one that I laugh with, live for, love.
>>> October 11, 2003
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:08 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: fun topic for the weekend: best iPhone games
>>> 
>>> I too had dice world and threw it out because of all the random folks
>>> whom i didn’t know who wanted to play this and that with me and when i
>>> had accepted them they just sorta popped out of existence never to go
>>> on playing again and i don’t want to be disturbed by push notices all
>>> the time. Now i have Dice with buddies but it’ll soon go the same way
>>> as Dice world and for the same reason, irritating push notices.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 11 okt. 2015 kl. 12:39 skrev RACHEL & DAMIEN <damiens.hone...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> i have dice world too. i love those games and play them all. my
>>>> username is damiens honey
>>>>> On 10 Oct 2015, at 16:48, Stacy Fuehrer <precious0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have dice world and lost cities, as well as audio archery.
>>>>> Stacy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Aleeha Dudley
>>>>>> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I’m the kind of person who loves games on her phone. I’m currently
>>>>>> in search of new ones, and am writing to see if you all have any
>>>>>> suggestions. The game itself does not have to be new to the app
>>>>

Re: Quality of the VO voice

[Kellie]

I actually agree with this. Personally, I find the compact voice sounds better 
to my ears. The high-quality voice just seems to have a hissy quality to it. I 
don't know how else to describe it.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:24 AM, Suzanne Wilson <therealsuzannewil...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I actually find that the enhanced voice is not as good as the regular one. 
> Once I switched, the quality improved--at least in my ears. 
> 
> Suzanne
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kim Samco
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Quality of the VO voice
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Since upgrading to IOS 9.02 the voice quality of VO is not great.  I explored 
> the settings and didn't find what I needed.  Any suggestions as to how to 
> tweak the VO voice?  Suggestions gratefully accepted.
> 
> Kim
> 
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Re: Quality of the VO voice

[Kellie]

It is subjective. I like Alex at a slower speed. But, since I use voice over at 
a faster speed I won't use Alex because it just sounds too garbled. I am rather 
surprised at how good the mail Siri voice sounds for voice over but I still 
always seem to defaults to the contact Samantha voice. 
I didn't realize the eloquence was no longer being supported. I use that all 
jaws still and even though they have other voices out there I like that one the 
best. Humid digitalized synthesizers are difficult for me to enjoy. Again, it 
is a speed issue. Since I listen to it so quickly the human voice just doesn't 
seem to flow very well. I would definitely use eloquence if you were offered on 
the iPhone. I apologize for the dictation errors. I don't have time to go back 
and correct them right now as I'm heading out the door.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I agree,  eloquence is good to script, and to get it to sing, but I wouldn't 
> use it, if IOS had it. An enhanced voice is always better in my opinion, Its 
> more clear, and in most cases, better, with an exception of Samantha in 9.02, 
> and perhaps before. Strangely, I do not like Alex, either. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 6:31 pm
> Subject: RE: Quality of the VO voice
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think pretty much everybody agrees that how one perceives the quality of 
>> TTS voices is one of the most subjective aspects of speech output there is. 
>> I definitely think the high quality female voice sounds better than the 
>> compact voice, I also think for every-day use it's better than Alex. I love 
>> some of the high quality voices I can download for Jaws and occasionally I 
>> may switch to one of them for reading a long article, but for the most part 
>> I'd say give me Eloquence any day and wouldn't it be sweet if we could have 
>> Eloquence on the iPhone? Maybe all of us who love Eloquence for it's snappy 
>> responsiveness and for the most part precise pronounciation should write to 
>> Apple and ask them to bring it to the iPhone. Yes, I know it's no longer 
>> supported, but I sure hope it will still be available with Jaws 20 years 
>> from now although somehow I doubt it. It's like using an old, worn yet 
>> extremely functional and good quality tool, maybe there are newer and 
>> fancier tools out there, but you always reach for the old and familiar again.
>> 
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kellie
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Quality of the VO voice
>> 
>> I actually agree with this. Personally, I find the compact voice sounds 
>> better to my ears. The high-quality voice just seems to have a hissy quality 
>> to it. I don't know how else to describe it.
>> 
>> Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 5:24 AM, Suzanne Wilson 
>>> <therealsuzannewil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I actually find that the enhanced voice is not as good as the regular one.. 
>>> Once I switched, the quality improved--at least in my ears. 
>>> 
>>> Suzanne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Kim Samco
>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:56 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Quality of the VO voice
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Since upgrading to IOS 9.02 the voice quality of VO is not great.  I 
>>> explored the settings and didn't find what I needed.  Any suggestions as to 
>>> how to tweak the VO voice?  Suggestions gratefully accepted.
>>> 
>>> Kim
>>> 
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Question on excess ability of Western Digital cloud app

[Kellie]

Hey everyone, I was just curious if anyone had the Western Digital cloud app. 
And if so, if it was accessible. I'm asking because my husband is thinking 
about getting one of their external drives which can be connected to the 
Internet and use as our own personal cloud on our home network I was curious if 
anyone had experience with their app and whether it was accessible or not. I'm 
supposed to be able to upload pictures music as well as other data to the drive 
via the iPhone through their app. If this particular brand isn't accessible 
does anyone know of one that is? Thank you in advanced. 

Kellie

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Re: Accessing a link that more than one person has shared on Facebook

[Kellie]

The way I get around this is by two finger double tap thing and saving it. Then 
I go under the more tab into my saved links. This is a bit convoluted but is 
the only way I figured out how to get around this.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Using the Facebook app on my iPhone, I have noticed that if a story says X 
 and Y shared a link, and I double tap on that, I don't go anywhere. The focus 
 doesn't go to the linked story. Only if one person has shared the link, I 
 double tap, and I get taken to the page where I can click on the link and 
 read the story. Is there anyway to access links when Facebook says that more 
 than one person has shared a given link?
 
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Baard question for a friend

[Kellie]

Hey all, I had a question but I hope some of you could help me answer. A friend 
of mine has the Bard app but suddenly every time she tries to put in her 
username and password it will kick her out of the app.it is the correct email 
and password as when she uses it on her husband's iPad it works just fine.she 
has tried deleting and reinstalling the app several times. Still, she 
encounters the same problem. This is happened for quite a while even walk while 
using iOS 7.I was curious if anyone knew what the problem was or how I could go 
about helping her fix it.thank you in advance

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Re: Google maps

[Kellie]

No. Before iOS 8 I was able to use Google maps in the transit mode with no 
difficulty. I don't know if this is just a Google upgrade or an iOS eight issue.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Isaac Hebert hebertisaa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Has this been happening before the update to iOS 8?
 Isaac Hebert
 hebertisaa...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys, I was just curious if anyone else is having difficulty with 
 transit mode on Google maps.i'm not sure whether it's the latest Google Maps 
 update or it is iOS 8 but I am no longer able to get a route via bus when 
 putting in a destination. Some of the routes I know for a fact have a bus 
 because I looked them up before but I wanted to verify which number bus to 
 take.also make sure which stop to get on at.was just curious if anyone else 
 has noticed just frustration. Every thing I do tells me no routes available. 
 They did not used to do that before
 
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Google maps

[Kellie]

Hey guys, I was just curious if anyone else is having difficulty with transit 
mode on Google maps.i'm not sure whether it's the latest Google Maps update or 
it is iOS 8 but I am no longer able to get a route via bus when putting in a 
destination. Some of the routes I know for a fact have a bus because I looked 
them up before but I wanted to verify which number bus to take.also make sure 
which stop to get on at.was just curious if anyone else has noticed just 
frustration. Every thing I do tells me no routes available. They did not used 
to do that before

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

[Kellie]

If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons you will need 
to make sure that the button is visually on the screen. So try doing a three 
finger swipe to switch pages and then see if the button will activate. It is a 
really annoying performance bug.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I’m testing for work.  The 
 site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously worked 
 on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double tapping on 
 the buttons did nothing at all.
 I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided to 
 purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to 
 purchase, but couldn’t activate that either.
 Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major 
 performance issue which needs to be addressed.
 Interesting that I’m now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new 
 phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!
 Any good work-arounds?
 Olivia
  
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Question about undoing dictation on iOS eight

[Kellie]

Hey all, I was just curious if this is a new feature or a bug on iOS eight. 
Whenever I shake my phone to undo a dictation it only select the text but 
doesn't actually delete it. Is that a change or a bug does anyone know?

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Weird issue with Dropbox on iOS eight

[Kellie]

I noticed something weird on Dropbox since I have upgraded to I OS 8. If I am 
listening to an audio file there is no longer a control which allows me to 
adjust where in the audio file I am at. My husband, who has not upgraded to iOS 
8, still has the ability to move through an audio file either forward or 
backward.both of us are running the latest version of dropbox. This is weird.

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

[Kellie]

I have had this problem with other websites as well. I noticed that today when 
looking for a recipe online. It totally loses focus and I can't use the flick 
gesture.it also seemed to be sluggish when flicking through headings. This is 
rather frustrating. I knew the bugs but decided to update to iOS eight anyway. 
Hopefully, they will get a release out soon to fix these issues.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod touch.
 I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
 http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
 This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
 https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta
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Re: [IDevices] new iPhone

[Kellie Gerdts]

I guess I am unusual in that I don't usually flick around my iPhone to activate 
items. I learn  where things are located and just put my finger on the icon.  I 
have no usable vision either. I like to explore the screen so that I can learn 
that this may be in the top left, or center, etc. sometimes I will flick, but 
rarely. I find that it is quicker for me to just the icon. Of course, I am also 
one of the few who likes the standard typing mode over the touch typing. lol 
again, this is just my personal choice. every single one of us are different 
and what is comfortable for one, may not be for another. So for me, the size of 
the screen in terms of ease of navigation isn't a challenge. However, I am not 
sure I will like the larger screen simply because of the fact that it won't fit 
in my pocket as easily. lol I like that it fits comfortably in my hand when I 
am holding it to my ear and that it can be stowed easily. It is funny, when 
cells first came out. they are large and bulky. then, the in thing was to try 
and make the phone as small as possible. Now, because of access to movies and 
other visual content, cell phones are growing up again. 
Kellie and guide Loki
On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
wrote:

 I like both for different reasons.  I like the size of my iPhone 5s.  It fits 
 nicely in my pants pocket.  On the other hand, I also like my iPad Air.  In 
 the email program for example, I can view the list of messages in the left 
 pane and the content in the right.  It's a simple double tap on the delete 
 button and I can go through large amounts of mail quickly.  I can do the same 
 thing on my iPhone but I have to open the messages to read more then 5 lines 
 although I do admit for many messages, all it does take is 5 lines or less to 
 tell if I'm interested in the  rest of the message.  Both have their uses.
  
  
 Regards,
  
 Alan
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
 Please click on: 
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for  listening!
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Cc: Curtis Chong ; idevi...@gatewayfortheblind.com
 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [IDevices] new iPhone
 
 Two years ago I would have said I like the small screen. However, after going 
 from the 3.5-inch screen of an iPod Touch 4 to the 4-inch screen of an 
 iPhone5, I find I prefer the iPhone's larger display now that I'm used to it 
 and can compare the two. If I were to go to an iPad tomorrow, I'd hate it, 
 and I've tried them before so I have some experience. However, the 
 incremental increases in screen size seem to be a way of easing into the new 
 screen sizes; maybe I'll love the 4.7-inch over the 4-inch in another year or 
 so, then an iPad Mini won't seem bad at all. Of course, all this is as 
 subjective as which speech synthesizer is best, and we all have to use what 
 we like most. I guess I'm mostly saying this: don't dismiss the larger screen 
 outright; give it a chance and see if you don't wind up liking it after all. 
 Plus, a larger screen means a larger battery and more icons on the home 
 screen (probably), so that's a plus no matter what your visual situation is.
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Lynn White lynnwhite...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi David,
 While I respect your opinion about the larger screens, personally I like the 
 smaller screen no matter what anybody says.
 I have used larger screens such as the iPad, and hated it. But again, I 
 respect your opinion, but please don't put the rest of us down.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:30 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Contrary to popular opinion amongst the blind, opinion which is actually 
 extremely limiting amongst blind people, a larger screen is actually better 
 for us blind people. I have been working with an itinerant teacher of low 
 vision and blind children testing this. When the blind children use the 
 touch-screen directly through dragging the finger around the screen on the 
 iPad to explore, rather than merely using the serial interface of keyboard 
 commands or finger flicking commands, once they adapt to said interface, 
 their productivity and speed becomes significantly quicker with improved 
 understanding of visual layouts and where to locate desired information. 
 Note: all testing and training is being performed with full-sized iPads. 
 Perhaps, mainly blind children have the mental flexibility and intelligence 
 to effectively adapt to a more useful and efficient interface.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Re: Anyone able to do check deposits using their bank's app?

[Kellie]

When we tried doing this with the bank of America app, it asked us to have the 
check sign with our name. Which of course is a bit challenging since neither my 
husband nor I have any usable vision of other people done this with Bank of 
America successfully?

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:59 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've actually done this a few times successfully.  The trick is to make sure 
 that you are far enough from the check to get it all in the picture.  Also 
 try to make sure that it's as straight as possible.  Sometimes it may take 
 three or four attempts, but it can work.  Propper lighting is also important.
  
 DJ
  
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Rose Combs
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:55 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Anyone able to do check deposits using their bank's app?
 
 I have not tried to take a picture of a check myself, my late husband did one 
 and it was too large an amount to be accepted so I had to find a way to the 
 bank and deal with a real person, what is this world coming to (smile) 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Robert Doc Wright
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:48 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Anyone able to do check deposits using their bank's app?
  
 I am with chase bank and I have been able to use there app.  Sometimes it may 
 take a few tries but it works.
 - Original Message -
 From: R Van Lant
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 Subject: Anyone able to do check deposits using their bank's app?
  
 My bank’s app doesn’t seem to read the buttons well on function to deposit 
 checks using the camera and the app.   I think that can be fixed, but 
 wondered how successfully others of you may be able to use this feature with 
 you bank app.  For example, can you correctly position the check to ensure 
 all the information is readable? 
  
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Fantasy Yahoo question

[Kellie]

Hey all, I have a question about the Yahoo fantasy sports app. I believe 
someone on this List mentioned that most of it was now accessible. If so, will 
be drafting portion of the fantasy sports be doable for a blind person? Last 
year, my husband, was part of a league but he wasn't able to draft his own 
players because it wasn't accessible. This year, we are going to have a league 
that is comprised mostly of blind  individuals. So we are curious on the 
feasibility of using this app for us.

If anyone has any information I would appreciate it. Thank you in advance 
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Re: SIRI whisdom

[Kellie]

Some of the responses from Siri just cracked me up. I have fun trying to get 
unusual responses. I have had one with my alarm as well where she says don't 
wake me up. This made me laugh that you just said.

Kellie and guide Loki 
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 On Aug 14, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Just thought I share the latest SIRI whise crack. I just asked SIRI to set a 
 30 minute timer for something I put in the oven. SIRI replied as follows:
  
 OK, I set it. Just remember, a watched iPhone never boils.
  
  
 Take care,
 Sieghard
  
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Bluetooth speaker recommendations for a friend

[Kellie]

Hey all, I'm going to check Amazon as well for decent prices. But, I was 
curious if anyone found a decent sounding Bluetooth speaker between 60 and $90. 
I have a friend who doesn't have access to computer who is asking me to check 
things out for him. We have the Bose Bluetooth speaker which is a bit out of 
his price range. But he does want good sale then I'm not sure which companies 
may provide that at that price range. Thank you in advance for suggestions and 
thoughts.

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Re: Following Links in the Facebook App?

[Kellie]

I have had mixed success with selecting a link that somebody shares. Sometimes, 
when I tap with a single tap sometimes, but I do a single finger double tap on 
the link it will take me to a spot where I can comment. Then I do a single 
finger double tap again and it activates the link. Other times, I tried this 
same technique and it just sits there. It is quite unpredictable. I also don't 
seem to be able to tap on the link that several people have shared. When I 
tried that it just says selected. I gatecrashes sometimes when it's on the 
website. It completely locked up my phone and I have to lock it and then unlock 
it close Facebook and start over. I also get crashes when I'm viewing the site 
that the link went to. It is odd.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 19, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Do you have the latest Facebook update? This works just fine for me. I perfer 
 to use the 1 finger double tap than the 2 finger double tap, because when I 
 use the 2 finger double tap to enteract the app crashes everytime. 
 
 Donna
 
 On Jul 19, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Donna,
 
 I've tried that process, but can't activate the link. I did discover that 
 you can do a two-finger-double-tap, and a context menu comes up. It has 
 share, like, comment, and more. Voiceover crashes when I press the more item.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jul 19, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 When there's a link in a post on the Facebook app, if you do a 1 finger 
 double tap, the post will open, while listening to the post, when the link 
 is being read, a 1 finger double tap will take you to the links page. Also 
 you can use the rotor to advance through the post by character, word or 
 line, then do a 1 finger double tap once you get to the link. Once the post 
 has been opened, you also have the option to like the message., leave a 
 comment and share. 
 
 Donna
 
 On Jul 19, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Jenn,
 
 Well, if nothing else, there's always the mobile site.
 
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
 On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you dind a way, shoot it my way please.
 
 Jenn
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2014, at 11:45 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 Is there a trick for following links in the Facebook app? I can interact 
 with the story by double-tapping, but I guess this isn't the way to go 
 about it.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan
 
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Re: Question About Various GPS Apps for iPhone

[Kellie]

Since were on the topic of GPS apps, I was curious about something. Does the 
seeing eye app also give information as to whether the area you were going to 
travel has sidewalks or does not have sidewalks? I recently moved to Wichita 
and am still learning the area. There are some spots which have no sidewalks. I 
know I can do these both with my guide dog and with my keen but I like to know 
when I'm encountering them first. As, areas with no sidewalks are not my 
favorite things to deal with. So I wasn't sure if that kind of information 
would be conveyed to me via the Seeing Eye app.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 25, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I really blind square, it's a great app. The seeing eye GPS app is also 
 decent, though I wish it provided more information automatically without 
 having to touch the screen. If you are considering one or the other, I would 
 go with blind square.
 Original message:
 I realize that this particular topic is so vast, due to the amount of
 available GPS apps, that we could probably have a separate mailing list
 just to discuss this one capability.  I also realize that my questions
 could generate a variety of opinions but that's OK.
 So, here's the thing.  I'm relatively new to the iPhone and started out
 in the world of GPS with the built-in Maps app, which I can use and, for
 the most part, which I like.  I've also downloaded several free GPS apps
 that I'm in the process of evaluating and learning. One of the things
 that I really loved about Maps was that I could have it constantly speak
 my current location, which I found beneficial while on the train going
 to work.  Given the capabilities of many of these free apps, are the
 specialized, blindness-specific GPS apps worth paying for?  What
 benefits can we get with Seeing eye or Blindsquare?
 
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  Founder and Peer Coordinator,
 Philadelphia Computer Users' Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired
 Feel free to visit my new Web site
 http://www.davidgoldfield.info/
 
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Re: Pandora Acknowledged Problems; looking for assistance

[Kellie]

Hey Tristan, the one problem that I have with Pandora is when I'm adding 
variety. When I search for an artist so that I can add it to my station to 
create more variety the results all say add variety. They won't tell me what 
each search result is. So for instance, if I search for Florida Georgia line 
the results would come up and just say add variety add variety add variety for 
every single result. This worked okay in the past when we first had Pandora. It 
makes it difficult to really add variety since the one time I did it I assumed 
the top result would've been what I was searching for an ended up with 
Christmas music mixed in with my other stuff.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I e-mailed Pandora today. I got a very nice response back, stating that they 
 are aware of the issue and are working on a fix. In the meantime, the 
 representative that contacted me would like more information. I’m attempting 
 to compile an e-mail to thank them and to include more accessibility issues. 
 I personally don’t use the app as much as I did in the past, so please notify 
 me of any other issues that I have not noticed.
  
 The e-mail is below.
  
  
 __
 Lydia | Pandora
 JUN 14, 2014  |  05:12PM PDT
 Hi Tristan,
 
 Thanks for writing in about this. We are aware that our recent release has 
 caused issues for our blind and print disabled listeners, and we do apologize 
 for the surprise and inconvenience that undoubtedly caused to your listening 
 experience. While we don't have an immediate solution to offer, I'll be happy 
 to share your experience with our Engineers.
 
 • Are there any features were you able to access in the past that are no 
 longer working? 
 
 • Do you encounter any other hurdles while listening, and what features could 
 help with this?
 
 We really appreciate your help with this. 
 
 
 
 Best, 
 Lydia | Pandora 
 Listener Advocate 
 PANDORA® internet radio 
 Need help? http://help.pandora.com
 Was my reply helpful? 
 http://nicereply.com/pandora/21778386/3228067/?s=10
 Pandora Accessibility
 JUN 13, 2014  |  01:51PM PDT 
 Original message
 Hi,
 
 I updated Pandora to version 5.4 today on my iPhone, and now most of the 
 station names are inaccessible. I am a Voice Over user.
 I can figure out what station I am on in the main screen of the app by 
 turning on Voice Over hints, but at the very most this is extremely 
 unworkable as hints have a tendency to be slow and clunky. Station names for 
 'recommended stations' do read correctly.
 Besides the station name icons not showing up correctly, I would like to 
 commend Pandora on the recent changes in the application that made it much 
 more usable for blind and visually impaired users.
 I truly love music and the way your application delivers it to my phone; I 
 would strongly appreciate it if this report was forwarded to the correct 
 people to ensure this oversight can be fixed.
 
 
  
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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

[Kellie]

Another thing to keep in mind is that how often your phone is trying to contact 
the cell tower can impact battery usage.when my husband and I were in Minnesota 
we had 4 or 5 bars most of the time and could go several days without charging. 
Since we have moved to Wichita however, we have terrible service with ATT here 
and only gets one to two bars. When I go to work and don't use my phone at all, 
I lose 60% of my battery power. I now turn airplane mode on. With airplane mode 
enabled I only lose about 3 percent. 

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 7, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I typically keep wifi and bluetooth on on my phone. Wifi also helps in 
 location tracking accuracy. I don't want to forget to turn wifi on when I 
 have a wifi available to me since I want to keep my cellular data usage down.
 
 I also like the convenience of just being able to turn my bluetooth head set 
 on and have it connect to my phone. Bluetooth is a relatively minor impact on 
 your battery usage.
 
 I generally charge my iPhone each night, but if I'm using the phone a lot or 
 I'm not going to be near a PC or AC outlet then I'll start shutting things 
 off to stretch my battery a bit. Just because some of us have easy access to 
 a power supply doesn't mean everyone does or that we'll always have such easy 
 access to top off the charge on our iPhone battery.
 
 On 6/7/2014 1:45 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 Joseph, that's exactly right.  I had to force myself to learn to tell Siri 
 to turn WI-FI off when it's not needed.  The same with Bluetooth.  For 
 example, when listening to a downloaded book on the Bard reading app, I may 
 be reading for an hour or more.  Turning off WI-FI and Bluetooth makes a big 
 difference.
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being 
 ridiculous - everyone
 hasn't met me yet.
 
 Please click on:
 
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech 
 joseph.freet...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 One of the major battery hogs is Wi-Fi. You'd be surprised the amount of
 days you'll go when Wi-Fi is disabled.
 Yes, sometimes an inconvenience, but the life of your battery is not
 determined by time, it is determined by amount of full charge/discharge
 cycles.
 In other words, if your iDevice goes through the charge/discharge process
 daily, and if you change how you use your device to conserve battery life to
 2 or 3 days, then you will double or triple your device's overall lifespan.
 Its been said that in general, using a lithium-ion battery, one has about
 500 charge/discharge cycles before battery no longer holds a strong charge.
 The cool thing about iPhone users is that within a couple of seconds one can
 turn on and turn off Wi-Fi using Siri.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - From: Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 3:02 PM
 Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 
 I too am an every-overnight charger of my phone. I do have certain things
 disabled and the screen brightness turned to zero, but still, I blaze
 through the charge and often use the Mophie Juice Pack towards the end of
 the day if I'm out and about. Really though, it's not that big a deal. You
 can only disable so many things before you begin to kill the purpose of the
 phone and its features.
 Besides, it's not like it's a huge inconvenience to plug it in to charge.
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Gmail
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:24 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
 
 Really? I usually have to plug my phone in every night. Admittedly, this
 could be the iOS 7 dictation bug going on, but that can't account for all of
 it.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 As I recall, he says that one has to recharge their battery every day.
 I, for one, have never had to do that. True, I don't play 24 hours of
 music or use the phone or other applications 12 to 15 hours a day,
 just to pick some random numbers, but I can often go for days without
 recharging. It's this kind of blanket statement that makes me wonder
 how much time he spent with his phone.
 
 Neal
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Re: advancing with the bard app

[Kellie]

That is a glitch on the part of the library who made the book. I have haven't a 
few of my books as well. It starts reading way further back so I have to just 
fast-forward until I get to the new stuff. They didn't do the digital books 
exactly correctly. Contacting them and letting them know that there is an issue 
might fix that.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 4, 2014, at 5:06 AM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 
 That is a book that was converted from cassette and some of them seem to have 
 this problem.
 You can only advance by chapter,  or level 1, level 2 and the like, so you 
 might try bookmarks if you put any in, so you may want to try one of those if 
 they are available.
 
 
 It would be a good idea to contact your regional library and report the title 
 and author so perhaps they will fix it.
 If it is repeating the whole side 1, you could check the time, and do a 
 double-tap and hold on the fast-forward button and try to find where side 2 
 begins.
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:53 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hi,
 I was reading along with the bard app last night and came to the end of a 
 side.  I just figured that the book would continue with the next side as 
 everything is now digital.  The same side started to play over again.  when 
 I looked in the options to advance, such as chapter, etc, there was no 
 option for side.
 
 So, how do I advance through a book with the bard app?
 
 using a i phone 5c...
 
 thanks,
 Caitlyn
 
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Question about setting fleksy as the keyboard for an app

[Kellie]

Q I went to  fleksy's website and did what I thought it told me too. It said to 
tap and hold on a text field in and supported app in order to choose Fleksy for 
the keyboard. I did this but can't seem to figure out how to actually use the 
keyboard. I know I must be doing something wrong and it's probably really 
simple. LOL I will still play around and see if I can't figure out what the 
problem is but if anyone else has suggestions or can point me in the right 
direction or tell me what is the correct way to activate it I'd appreciate it. 
Encks in advance for any help. Hey all, I have a question about the fleksy app. 
If this has been discussed before I apologize and you can feel free to email me 
privately so it doesn't clutter the list with an necessary traffic. I saw that 
fleksy can't be used as a keyboard in mud rammer. 

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Re: Computer vs. I device

[Kellie]

I just wanted to mention that there is an easier way to delete email messages 
on an eye device. Whenever I'm reading email and I want to delete a message, I 
simply perform a single finger flick up until I hear archive if I'm in Gmail or 
trash if I'm in my SBC global account. Then I double tap any erases it. This 
works if I'm deleting an entire thread or just deleting an individual message 
in a thread. I just thought I would share that in case people weren't aware.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On May 16, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Macs are better for productivity, partly because they are faster, partly 
 because they offer full keyboards, and partly because they have tons of 
 keyboard shortcuts. Plus, if a menu option lacks a shortcut, you can assign 
 one yourself. I use my iOS device for RSS, mail, games, book-reading, and 
 tons more. I use my Mac for some of the same, plus app development, audio 
 editing, heavy typing, easier web browsing, and more efficient versions of 
 things I do on iOS. For instance, on a Mac, deleting some emails is as easy 
 as shift-arrowing along the list, then pressing delete. On iOS, you double 
 tap edit, double tap each message after flicking to it, then double tap 
 trash.
 
 Macs are way different, but not better or worse. They beat Windows in some 
 areas, and Windows beats them in some areas. Interaction is a big part of the 
 mac, but it is not at all crazy-making past the first month of constant 
 use. You eventually know that some items require interaction and some don't, 
 and you're done. Also, with Trackpad Commander, you can do a two-finger flick 
 right to interact, and left to stop interacting. Or, assign the two commands 
 to a keyboard or numpad commander to make it easier, or use Quick Nav. The 
 OP, and anyone else confused about Macs, should read the following articles:
 
 Common Mac myths:
 http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x/debunking-common-myths-about-voiceover-mac
 
 Getting started with VoiceOver:
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories/getting-started-your-mac-using-voiceover
 
 Plus the other guides and articles on the Applevis page for new Mac users:
 http://www.applevis.com//new-to-mac
 On May 16, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 
 The only things I do on the computer that I don't do on the iPhone are:
 Word process editing.  It is so much easier to deal with Word on a PC than
 doing any real editing and formatting on an iDevice.
 Audio editing with GoldWave.
 Web site creation and maintenance
 Excel spreadsheets
 
 Pretty much everything else I mostly do with the iPhone; banking, web
 searches, Email, looking up definitions, and much more.
 
 I also think Microsoft word is far, far easier to use than any word
 processing on a Mac.  Especially if you are doing any kind of formatting
 with headings, etc.  
 The business of having to figure out when to interact and when you don't
 need to interact with an element on the screen with a Mac is crazy making.
 Plus, it is one of the strangest keystrokes I have ever heard of,
 Control+Shift+Options+down arrow to interact and Control+Shift+Options+up
 arrow to stop interacting.
 
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 
 
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 Hi folks,
 I hope this isn't too ot. I'm considering buying my first laptop. What do
 you use a computer for that an ode vice can't do? Also, is VoiceOver any
 different on a Mac than on an iPhone? How does it compare with jaws? Unlike
 the iPhone, does it know Hebrew? Can it cope with it if knows Hebrew Braille
 but doesn't have an appropriate voice synthesizer?
 
 Again, I hope this isn't too OT.
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
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Re: Voiceover reading the date incorrectly

[Kellie]

When the screen is locked in my friend tries to flick to the right to get the 
date, it doesn't read correctly. For instance, if she were to flip to the right 
right now it would just say the number 13 rather than saying Tuesday, May 13. 
It just says 13. I don't know if she tried the hard reset though so I'm going 
check that with her and she gets home from work.

Kellie and guide Loki 
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 On May 13, 2014, at 2:43 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Mine only says time by default, but one flick to the write gets me date 
 like - *day, ## of Month.
 
 After that is the slide to unlock feature.
 
 The key is, I have to go flick to get at the date at all.
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 6:44 PM
 Subject: Re: Voiceover reading the date incorrectly
 
 
 I don't think I have ever heard the date, just the time.
 I have an iPhone 5s as my personal phone and an iPhone 5 for work and 
 neither one says the date.
 I figure I know what the date is and never thought of it only saying the 
 time as an issue.
 Richard
 
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey all, I have a question for a friend of mine. She has an iPhone 5s just 
 like I do, and we noticed that whenever her screen is locked and she 
 checked the time and date it will read the time but it won't read the date 
 correctly. Instead of it's saying something like May 12 it will just say 
 12. It won't say May or the year or anything. Does anybody have any ideas 
 as to what could be causing this? I looked under voiceover settings and 
 date and time settings and hers and mine are exactly the same and how they 
 are set up. And yes mine reads correctly and hers won't. If anybody has 
 any ideas as to what could be causing this I would appreciate your 
 thoughts. Thank you in advance.
 
 Kellie and guide Loki
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Voiceover reading the date incorrectly

[Kellie]

Hey all, I have a question for a friend of mine. She has an iPhone 5s just like 
I do, and we noticed that whenever her screen is locked and she checked the 
time and date it will read the time but it won't read the date correctly. 
Instead of it's saying something like May 12 it will just say 12. It won't say 
May or the year or anything. Does anybody have any ideas as to what could be 
causing this? I looked under voiceover settings and date and time settings and 
hers and mine are exactly the same and how they are set up. And yes mine reads 
correctly and hers won't. If anybody has any ideas as to what could be causing 
this I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you in advance.

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Re: Voiceover reading the date incorrectly

[Kellie]

I apologize if I wasn't clear. That's what happens when you're trying to 
multitask. LOL the problem my friend is having with her iPhone isn't anything 
about automatically speaking it. It's when she touches the screen to check the 
date or flicks to the right it will just say the 12th or number 12 like for 
today for instance. Instead of it saying Monday, May 12 it just says 12. I have 
never seen this happen before so I find it strange.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On May 12, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 
 Yes, but it doesn't speak the date automatically which is what I thought the 
 person was asking.
 Richard
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
  
 If you check the lock screen it will have the date on it, for example, today 
 it says Monday, May 12. It’s underneath the time.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:45 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voiceover reading the date incorrectly
  
 I don't think I have ever heard the date, just the time.
 I have an iPhone 5s as my personal phone and an iPhone 5 for work and 
 neither one says the date.
 I figure I know what the date is and never thought of it only saying the 
 time as an issue.
 Richard
  
  
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey all, I have a question for a friend of mine. She has an iPhone 5s just 
 like I do, and we noticed that whenever her screen is locked and she checked 
 the time and date it will read the time but it won't read the date 
 correctly. Instead of it's saying something like May 12 it will just say 12. 
 It won't say May or the year or anything. Does anybody have any ideas as to 
 what could be causing this? I looked under voiceover settings and date and 
 time settings and hers and mine are exactly the same and how they are set 
 up. And yes mine reads correctly and hers won't. If anybody has any ideas as 
 to what could be causing this I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you in 
 advance.
 
 Kellie and guide Loki 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: MLB at bat issue

[Kellie Gerdts]

My husband and I are also experiencing these same bugs. I will add my voice to 
yours in asking MLB to fix the issue. My current work around is to keep my 
finger on the screen until I find the audio button for my favorite team. This 
works right now. but... it is still frustrating. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July
On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:52 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are  a couple VoiceOver bugs  in the current MLB at Bat app.
 If I am on the scores screen, and use the three finger swipe up to change 
 pages, after two or three swipes, I find myself back on February 25th.
 A related bug is that if I do a one finger flick right, to go item by item on 
 the scores screen, after a few teams info the app closes.
 I've sent this to MLB, but if anyone else is also seeing this, it may not 
 hurt for others to write them as well.
 mlb-mobile...@mlb.com
 
 Richard
 
 
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Re: At bat issue

[Kellie Gerdts]

I don't have an iPad but I will tell you where it is on the iPhone app and I 
hope it is the same. 
But I had to tap the more tab and then tap on m l b account information. Once I 
tapped that, the edit fields for my email and pw were there and I was able to 
type in everything and hit the log in button. 
I hope this helps. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:02 AM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:

 I loged out and back in I think I couldn't find the log in scren where do I 
 go to find it on the at bat ap?
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Fred Olver
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:38 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: At bat issue
 
 Then try closing the app from the app switcher, turn off the phone and
 re-start.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: At bat issue
 
 
 wow chaning it to a new feed doesn't work for me for some reason
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Jenifer Barr
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:43 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: At bat issue
 
 Hi all.
 I fixed it by changing to a new feed. :)
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:17 PM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 
 am getting tat too and its been starting ok but stopping for the last couple 
 of days ams using an older version on my husbands I phod 3 and it works find 
 I think they need to update to be compatible with I o s 7.1
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Jenifer Barr
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:12 PM
 To: iPhone List
 Subject: At bat issue
 
 Hi all. I'm trying to use at bat but getting an athentication failed... any 
 suggesttions?
 
 Jenifer Barr
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Re: At bat issue

[Kellie Gerdts]

Hey guys, 
we actually had this problem here and tried everything so called mlb. 
Apparently when it updated, it logged out. You need to log out and log back in 
again. 
We did that and it is working normally again. I find it strange that it doesn't 
tell you that yo need to log back in, but that fixed it for us. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July 
On Mar 27, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

 Then try closing the app from the app switcher, turn off the phone and 
 re-start.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - From: janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: At bat issue
 
 
 wow chaning it to a new feed doesn't work for me for some reason
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Jenifer Barr
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:43 PM
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 Subject: Re: At bat issue
 
 Hi all.
 I fixed it by changing to a new feed. :)
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:17 PM, janet wright jan...@wrighthere.net wrote:
 
 am getting tat too and its been starting ok but stopping for the last couple 
 of days ams using an older version on my husbands I phod 3 and it works find 
 I think they need to update to be compatible with I o s 7.1
 
 
 
 *** God has a plan for me. I may not see it right away but I'm willing to 
 wait on the blessing he has in store for me!
 -Original Message- From: Jenifer Barr
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:12 PM
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 Subject: At bat issue
 
 Hi all. I'm trying to use at bat but getting an athentication failed... any 
 suggesttions?
 
 Jenifer Barr
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Re: VizWiz

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I had stopped using viz wiz a long while back, well over a year for the reason 
of no question being recorded. I was using my 4S a the latest version and 
wasn’t having any luck. Once I received my 5S I thought I would try it again. 
apparently, it did record but I didn’t get a response until a day later. for 
me, it just isn’t useful. I use camfind to identify things now. 
Kellie, LokiDoodle and my lovable Lady J. 

From: Nimit 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: VizWiz

I wrote to them and got no reply.  That was a while ago though.  I do not know 
if they still exist.   Sent from my super iPhone 



On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Eric Caron ecar...@comcast.net wrote:


  Hi listers,

  I was the original poster.  I tried using VizWiz , latest version, on both my 
4 S and 5S using iOS 7.04 and I could not record a question.  I could not even 
find where to select web workers or the IQ Engines.  options I used to find 
along with email and twitter and such.

  I miss this app as the ability to ask a question made all the difference to 
me.

  If anyone has the contact info for the developer I'd love to write to them.

  Eric Caron 


  On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Folks,


I just used VizWiz and I am happy to say that I received an answer. I am 
using an iPhone 4, iOS 6.1.2, and the version of VizWiz prior to the current 
version. It took 4 minutes to receive the first answer. I am not sure if one is 
using iOS 7.0.4 and a 64 bit chip on the phone that would make a difference if 
VizWiz would behave differently. If others continue to have problems using the 
app, then a concertive effort to let the developers know of the issues. HTH
Bast,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


  Hello,

   

  Somebody asked recently whether VizWiz was still working. I used it 
yesterday for the first time on my  iPhone 5S to see if I could get a reply 
about what the LED display of my digital thermostat for my in-floor heating 
system said.

   

  First of all I took the picture, then as usual I tapped Record and asked 
my question. However, when I tapped to send the picture, the app said that no 
question had been recorded. I did allow the app to use the microphone and tried 
a few more times both with Apple Earpods plugged in and without using the 
iPhone’s built-in microphone and it appears that it doesn’t want to record the 
question. Has anybody else experienced this?

   

  Anyhow, I sent the image to webworkers anyways assuming they might get 
what I want.

  Now it gets interesting. I sent the picture a few minutes before 11 AM 
and then did something else for a minute or 2 waiting for a reply. When none 
came I used Tap Tap See and within about 20 seconds received a result which 
said “Thermostat 26 Degrees” which is exactly what I wanted.

  I forgot about VizWiz until about 4:30 PM (5 and a half hours after I 
sent the picture) at which time I received 2 push notifications from VizWiz, 
here is the text:

   

  !--[if !supportLists]--1.   !--[endif]--Where is the question, it 
is good looking switch

  !--[if !supportLists]--2.   !--[endif]--Thermostat 26 degrees 
Celsius

   

  So, VizWiz apparently still does work, but even if answers came after 10 
minutes instead of 5.5 hours the service is pretty useless in many instances 
where you probably want an answer immediately which means at least within a 
minute or so.

   

  Of course there is still the issue that at least on my 5S VizWiz also 
doesn’t seem to record the question. Let’s hope Tap Tap See comes up with a way 
to ask a question, I think even asking a question you have to type into a text 
field would be good and probably even better since a recording takes up a lot 
more space hence it takes longer to transmit the picture with a recording and 
one can always use SIRI to dictate a short question which is probably just as 
good.

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   


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Re: Movie reading web site

[Kellie and my lab pack]

The only thing I am surprised about is that there have been no additions to 
this app at all since it’s release. 
I am sure that at least some have made an effort to have their voice heard but 
nothing is new. I downloaded it out of curiosity, but rarely get to the movies 
so haven’t really had the opportunity to try it out. I check to see if anything 
new has been added though and still the same movie. I hope that as word gets 
out, movies will be added more frequently as right now it doesn’t seem very 
useful. 

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: Amy 
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Movie reading web site

A few tweets from Twitter by movie reading and solo DX

@Armstrong25 Distributors are the ones who decide if their movie will go on the 
app. If you want more titles available, let them know!
3:22pm Dec 31, 2013

.@pfhj2000 And as to what movies go on the app, right now the distributor 
chooses. With enough positive feedback, more will get on board!


Express your wishes to Netflix, Hulu, movie studios, etc. Your support will 
help expand our service!





On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:


On the page http://solo-dx.com/movie_reading/index.html it actually says:

MovieReading app?

The movie studios and distributors make the decision of what audio description 
and caption files to release on the MovieReading app. Your voice counts, so if 
there is a particular title you would like to have available, be sure to let 
them know!

When I read this, I don't see them saying we have to do the work for them or 
that they aren't already working to make more movies available themselves. I 
don't see this as any different then any other campaign where you're asked to 
contact your cable company to have Watch ESPN made available or let your movie 
theater know you want DVS ability and so on.

BTW, I haven't played with this technology myself, but how much does the app 
cost and how much do these tracks cost? I didn't see a price discussed on the 
Solo-Dx web site.

On 01/04/2014 05:57 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

  So we’re supposed to do their work for them?

  Andy

  *From:* Amy mailto:pinkfloridasunr...@gmail.com

  *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 3:44 PM

  *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com

  *Subject:* Re: Movie reading web site

  Here's a link to solo DX.

  Also, some others on the list have been wondering when the movie reading

  app will have more movie tracks. according to the solo dx Twitter and

  Facebook pages, we consumers are supposed to notify the movie

  distributors that we want more audio tracks to be provided through the

  movie reading app. However, they have not provided contact information

  for the movie studios and distributors.

  http://solo-dx.com/index.html



  On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com

  mailto:vermont...@gmail.com wrote:



  I deleted all of the emails that listed who produced the narration for

  the movie reading app. www.moviereading.com

  http://www.moviereading.com did not give me any information. What is

  the description producers web site.

  Thanks in advance.

  Tom Frank

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Re: What is up with the Skype app?

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I also just signed out of my account and was shown the 3 buttons that 
Sieghard described. My phone read everything correctly.


I believe I missed part of this thread. But, what phone are you using? which 
IOS? Is it jail broken? Is Skype up to date? These are just a couple 
questions that come to mind. I have no idea why you wouldn't be seeing the 3 
buttons.

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is up with the Skype app?

Hi Denise,

If that is the case you might want to just delete the Skype app and
redownload it because I have no problem whatsoever. If I sign out of my
account I have 3 buttons:

Sign in with a Skype Name
Sign in with a Microsoft Account
Create a new account

I have merged my Skype Name with my Microsoft account which is my
Outlook.com email address so I use the Sign in with a Microsoft Account
option. Once I double tap on that I have a field for my user Id which is my
Outlook.com email address and the password and everything behaves normally
as far as having the virtual keyboard and typing.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Denise Barajas
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is up with the Skype app?

well, hello.

I really don't post much but, I have skype for the Iphone alone. I never saw
anything. Not even a wayt o sign in with an existing account. It suddenly
wouldn't let me type.

regards,

Denise barajas

On 12/31/13, Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello to all, I got a question about the Skype app. A friend who just
downloaded Skype on the iPad, and we cannot seem to find the create
account button. So I'm wondering did they take that button off or does
anybody know.

Joseph Hudson
I device support
Phone
641-715-3900 ex 34315
Email
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Re: BARD and Commercial audio books

[Kellie and my lab pack]

My experience with bard this weekend had been that I was able to read books 
which were already downloaded to my device. However, I could not download any 
books from the website through the app nor was I able to access my wish list, 
again from the website on my phone. I didn’t try via the computer so wasn’t 
sure whether the entire website was down or only the mobile portion. 

Of course, it happened on the weekend so we would have to wait until the work 
week began before they can work on fixing it. I haven’t tried yet today but 
hope it will be up soon so that I can get books for my plane trip in a few 
days. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: Corey Michael Cook 
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: BARD and Commercial audio books

You are lucky then. It has been messed up for most of the weekend for me.

 

 

Corey Cook

Facebook:

corey.coo...@gmail.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rose Combs
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: BARD and Commercial audio books

 

I just wanted to say that all weekend I've had no trouble with the bar I've 
been on nTelos a couple of times and I've been using it to read books

Sent from my iPhone Rose Combs


On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  I know the app has not worked the last few days.

  I was just looking through the recently added books on my computer and found 
they have the commercial edition of The Goldfinch.  I’ve been interested in 
that book since it has received many great reviews and was considering buying 
it from Audible when I was pleasantly surprised this morning to find it in the 
recently added books.

  The book was just released on October 22, 2013.

  So, in less than two months, NLS has managed to make the commercial recording 
available to their patrons.

  In spite of the problems the app is having this weekend, I just wanted to 
mention here that NLS deserves huge kudos for taking this approach to building 
their collection.

   

  Richard

   

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Re: otterbox defender question

[Kellie and my lab pack]

depending on hohw recently you purchased it, you may be able to get it 
replaced for no charge. Thoug, it might depend on where you bought it from.


I purchased my through ATT and didn't even have it a year before the rubber 
was breaking. I took it to an ATT store and they replaced it. the same 
happened to my husband's.


Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Rebecca Ilniski

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: otterbox defender question

Hi all. I have an otterbox defender case. The case is OK but the rubber is 
wearing out. Is there a way to just get the rubber part of the case or does 
one have to buy another whole case?



Rebecca and Zeb
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facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
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Re: tap tapt see

[Kellie and my lab pack]

To a degree I understand that you may have to retake pictures. It just sort of 
goes with being a blind picture taker. *smile* but, it is also possible that 
the individual who is examining the picture is not conveying the correct 
information. 

I have had a spice bottle, and I knew I had the phone pointing at the correct 
location. I did not move the phone, nor did I move the bottle and yet I got 2 
completely different responses when I took the pictures. The first told me that 
it was a red and white spice bottle on a brown table. Information that I did 
not need. The next picture told me that it was oregano which I did need. It 
both instances I waited for the sound to indicate when it was ready for me to 
snap a photo. I know that it isn’t possible that I shifted the phone because I 
have the phone resting on it’s side on the table. for me, this is the best way 
to get a good picture of the bottle. 

I have used TapTapSee quite often and have become proficient at taking good 
pictures which are identified. I bring this up only to illustrate that it isn’t 
always the blind picture takers fault as to why a picture is not properly 
identified. I understand completely why they have to charge for the service. I 
still feel that there should be a short edit box or something to allow me, as 
the user, to convey the information that I need. a blind user may still have to 
take a couple pictures to receive the correct information. However, it is also 
possible to cut down on the number of pictures because the sighted person on 
the other end knows what information is being sought. I think this is a 
reasonable request. Until that happens, I am using camFind with great success. 
I used it today in fact to verify that the box I had was the maple flavoring 
which I needed for my recipe. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July



From: David Chittenden 
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: tap tapt see

Okay, try a different app and get less effective results. But at least, you are 
not paying for the service. The fact is, they can only tell you what they can 
make out. If you need more pictures, by the unlimited package.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Nov 2013, at 16:47, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote:


  I hate to bring this up again, but here is why I have a problem with $8 for 
100 pictures.  I just had a Chinese dinner and with that dinner of course came 
a fortune cookie.  I always like to know what my fortune says so I opened Tap 
Tap See.  The first picture said white printed paper.  No kidding right?  How 
profound.  The next picture said small paper with printing.  No, really!  The 
third picture finally read my fortune.  Now I will be penalized two pictures 
that told me nothing.  If the percentage keeps up that means I will get 33 
percent of 100 pictures.  Not a good price at all.  Something different needs 
to happen.
  Kay Malmquist
  kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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Re: When will Apple take this seriously?

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Neither my husband or myself had had any challenges in ending a phone call. 
For us, the hang up gesture works the same as always. The same goes for 
double tapping to enter into dictation. You will want to make sure that you 
are in the edit field so that editing is enabled. If not, maybe that is why 
some people are getting music to play instead of dictation? Not sure but 
trying to think of reasons why some would be encountering this difficulty.

Kellie, Guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Ricardo Walker

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:48 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously?

Hi,

I’m not sure about this.  In IOS 7, it is certainly harder to hang up a call 
with a 2 finger double tap on the first try.  It seems to have gotten better 
in the minor releases but, enough people who have been using IOS for years 
have experienced the same behavior to not just write it off as 100% user 
error.  And overall, the 2 finger double tap has at times produced some 
unexpected results.  For example, I do a 2 finger double tap to start 
dictation and my audible book starts playing.  Or music.  Now there is no 
way this can be user error.  lol.


JMO.

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:41 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yes, the initial complaints from the venting message in this thread were 
quite obviously user error, not errors in the OS. Two-finger double tap, 
with the fingers slightly spread always answers and ends phone calls. If 
it does not end the phone call, this is always and exclusively because the 
gesture was performed incorrectly. It is solely and completely the user's 
responsibility to become fully proficient at performing the gestures 
properly. Apple has a specific practice area set up exclusively to help 
each of us learn, and perfect, our gestures.


It is not Apple's fault or responsibility when we do not perform the 
gesture properly. The fault / blame / responsibility falls squarely and 
entirely on the shoulders of the person who has not properly learned the 
gestures.


Consider it this way. I cannot get Windows to copy a file. No matter how 
many times I press control d, the file will not copy. Is it Microsoft's 
fault that I am pressing control d rather than control c? Properly 
performing gestures is exactly and precisely the same thing!


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:06, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:

Sure, if there is accessibility bug we, as any of a responsible consumer, 
regardless either we are blind or not blind, should report. However, when 
it is clearly the user fault, which, frankly speaking, you have 75%  of 
the chance with the case, and each of these user errors and faults got to 
report to the provider, i bet, soon or later, Apple can choose to do 
their own thing, or provide the lease accessibility tthat they can for 
the future software and hardware.
I think, for new user, they need to realize that they deal with the new 
platform, and they also should have the expectation that things will not 
be the same compare to your old Nokia phone.
The sooner they realize this, the better experience they will get instead 
of keep having the batel against themselves as to how Talks do this and 
that, and how Voiceover do this and that.
You know, back in the old days, i can remember 90% of my family and 
friends phone numbers, i used to be call as a walking phone book. But 
now, since i use iPhone, i can't recall my phone number half of the time. 
Maybe i should write to Apple for that, and asking them to stop the 
capability of saving phone numbers and contact details.


Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:23, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I don't think this is what you're saying, but I think we need to be 
careful here. Accessibility isn't something that were given as a charity 
and something we should feel grateful for when someone provides it. 
Accessibility is a right that we should be demanding. Of course, we 
should be positive and cooperative when someone is working towards 
accessibility, but we shouldn't just accept whatever comes our way. For 
example, We shouldn't settle for Mobile Accessibility on Windows Phone 8 
and stop pressing Microsoft for greater access to Windows Phone 8 just 
because they were kind enough to toss us this accessible scrap.


It's also a fact that there are accessibility related bugs in IOS 7. 
People should be bringing these up on list and reporting them to Apple. 
There may be cases when one person's bug is another person's feature and 
one person's reporting of an issue is whining to someone else. I don't 
think accusations of whining and complaining should keep people

Re: The best object recognition app out there I know

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I would appreciate tips on successfully using talking goggles as well. I have 
heard of others success but haven’t achieved it myself. I tried both the video 
and still camera mode and get nothing. I try holding the phone steady and still 
receive no feedback. I really would like to have success with this app but any 
tips on how to get it to even speak would be helpful. I have tried waiting for 
30 seconds and don’t have a sound. I know for sure that it was pointed at text. 

Kellie, Guide Loki and retired July

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: The best object recognition app out there I know

Hi David,

 

Here is just one example using Talking Goggles in Still Camera mode and then 
using Tap Tap See.

 

I took the pictures in the complete dark, no lights other than my Flash on the 
iPhone 5S and I was doing the same picture holding the iPhone approx. in the 
same position for both shots

 

The object was a 4 Litre pack of Jackson-Triggs Cabernet Sauvignon red wine 
which I just bought where Jackson-Triggs is the name of the winery in the 
Okanagan Valley of southern British Columbia and Cabermet Sauvignon is a 
variety of grape which produces red wine.

 

When I took the picture with Talking goggles it red a bunch of information, 
some of it was spelled, but it included “Jackson Triggs Cabernet Sauvignon”.

 

When I took the picture with Tap Tap See all it said was “Jackson-Triggs”.

 

What is more, the result from Talking Goggles came back after about 2 seconds, 
the result from Tap Tap See took about 8 or 10 seconds. In reality it appeared 
as if Talking goggles started reading information basically immediately after I 
took the picture. Tap Tap See appeared to take a long time compared to Talking 
Goggles.

 

I also used Talking Goggles recently in video mode when I was at home and on 
WiFi to go over about 8 or 10 pages of various documents including cards as in 
plastic cards similar to credit cards as well as my Canadian citizenship 
certificate, my HSA Open Water Scuba certificate, my University graduation 
certificate etc.

 

Tap Tap See produced almost nothing for most of these whereas Talking Goggles 
in video mode identified enough words of any of the documentsv for me to know 
what they were.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The best object recognition app out there I know

 

Well, that depends on what you require, and how you prefer to pay your costs.

 

VizWiz will do the same as TapTapSee, and it even has the means for you to ask 
a question along with your picture. In fact, a question is required. It is a 
free app. It accesses a couple of the internet image databases to see if it can 
get a good match. It also sends the query to a volunteer for identification. 
And, you can choose which of the above you want it to do. However, because it 
accesses the image databases at free access, its queries do not have priority 
when access is in strong demand. Also, the volunteers are just that, people who 
are doing other things on their computers and have a window that pops up with 
your image and your question. If no volunteers are available, or if there are 
too many images waiting for identification, your query will take a considerable 
amount of time. I have gotten responses back immediately, and I have gotten 
responses back in a few minutes, and I have not gotten responses back at all. 
When I used it and TapTapSee, I usually try VizWiz first because I can ask the 
question.

 

For money recognition, I always use LookTel Money Identifier. It is fast, 
accurate, and no data is sent.

 

For product recognition of products I already have acquired good images for, I 
use LookTel Recognizer. I occasionally have sighted friends take pictures for 
my database.

 

In all honesty, save when I used TapTapSee to compare it with VizWiz when it 
initially was released, I don't use the app. I had two reasons for my decision. 
First, because I knew people were playing with the app, and I knew the company 
was paying for every image, I did not want to increase the burden on the 
company when I could get alternative solutions to work. Second, I have always 
preferred asking the question because, the information I need is not 
necessarily the information a sighted identifier thinks I need.

 

With barcode objects, I occasionally use DigitEyes.

 

When out somewhere, I occasionally use CamFind because I know this product is 
general market, has ads to help fund it, and gives me product and price 
information.

 

When I have good WiFi, I will occasionally use Talking Goggles. However, the 
company already went out once because Google changed the access for the video 
stream recognition matching, and as far as I know, this may happen again at any

way to record voicemail

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Hey all, 
I know this is going to sound like a strange request but is there an app that I 
can use to record a voice mail so that I can save it? My new iPhone has finally 
shipped and it appears that voice mails don’t save when switching from your old 
phone to the new one. I have one that was from my dad, who has since passed 
away. It is special to me and I would really like to save it if at all 
possible. does anyone know if there is an app, or if not an app, how I might be 
able to accomplish this? 
Thanks in advance, 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

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Re: Tap TapSee

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I am not surprised that taptapSee had to change to a subscription and knew 
it was a matter of time. I have considered purchasing the 100 pictures but 
honestly I really would like to have the ability to let the person know what 
information I am needing. I have sometimes had to use 6 pics in order to get 
the information I need. Now, this isn't every time, by any means. Sometimes 
one picture is all that is necessary. Once, I was told that I had a red and 
white spice bottle, I took another picture without turning the bottle 
because I knew from experience that the printed label was where I was 
pointing the camera, and then it gave me the correct information. when on 
the subscription, I don't want to waste pictures on needless information 
which I already know. I know that some people mentioned that getting bad 
pictures is the fault of the picture taker. However, when you have zero 
usable vision it isn't always easy to know whether you have the correct 
distance/lighting etc. I had 20/20 vision in the past and understand how to 
take a picture. Much of the time I have success when using taptapSee. I 
would just like a short edit box to let them know that I would like the name 
of the spice, the pattern on the shirt, the type of milk etc.

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tap TapSee

Hi Alia,

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I for one am happy to see that
by far the majority of people seem to understand that you can't run a
business by spending money and not have any come in. I own a retail business
and if I sold all the product I have to buy and have in inventory for what I
paid for it or for a 5% margin I would be out of business faster than a
puppydog can wag its tail.

Tap Tap See already stated that they will release an update within a week
which addresses the issue of failed pictures. Will you some time take a
picture which comes back with a result but a useless result? Yes, most
likely, but on the bright side this may encourage all of us blind folks to
ask sighted friends or family members to help us develop our picture taking
skills.

I think it's totally cool to use other apps, many of us have been doing this
all along, but I think if you learn to be good at taking pictures and
combine Tap Tap See with other apps then 100 pictures would last you at
least a couple of months maybe even 3, 4 or 5 months. This means you may
spend anywhere from $4 to $2 or even a bit less per month on this and if
easy and reliable recognition is important to you than I don't think that is
an outrageous price.

Having said this it would be nice if Tap Tap See could offer an unlimited
annual package at a subscription cost of say $99, then those who use Tap Tap
See a lot have a way to get it for a slightly discounted price and if you
were to watch for an iTunes Gift Card promo where you could buy 2 $50 cards
for $40 each, you would actually only pay $80 a year or $6.66 a month for
unlimited use.

I think most people will buy the 100 picture pack and see how long it will
take them to use it, I just don't use the app often enough to warrant
spending even $5 a month. But I will most definitely buy the 100 pictures
for $7.99 so I can continue to use the app and also to support the company
and it is my guess the 100 pictures will last me close to half a year; I do
really like Talking Goggles a lot of time because quite often I can get a
result in video mode very quickly which is enough to tell me what I am
trying to identify.


Regards,

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of alia robinson
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tap TapSee

IMO this is insulting. I have never as long as I have been buying blindness
products, braille printer in the old days before windows, scanner from edge,
my first computer with jaws, dectalk soundcard, laptop for school, you get
the idea. Never as a blind user have I felt I was entitled to freebies! I
am talking about a once free app going to subscription service, and stating
I think it is overpriced. If you didn't get timed-out pictures, unrecognized
images, and just plain wrong info, i.e. my black dog was called a black cat.
sometimes when I scan cans I have to take more than one picture, so the 100
pics are impractical, and I don't think I use it enough for the monthly fee.
We took a lot of pics mostly for fun, but I'm not spending 120 a year for
identifying a few cans for cooking. I'll go to other apps.

Alia
On Nov 8, 2013, at 2:13 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:


At the end of the day, It comes to this. Either, some that see reason,
supporting the developer to keep it going, or like some insist, as a
blind user, you are entitle to freebies.


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Re: Singing Praises of TapTap See

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I never had any real success with viz wiz. It took forever to get a response 
and they weren’t very accurate for me. 

I love TapTapSee though. the other day I used it to identify and braille label 
some new spices that I had recently purchased. It is something so trivial, but 
so profound. I was able to accomplish this without having to ask someone to 
come over and help. I love technology. Though, TapTapSee couldn’t help when I 
ran out of labeling tape. *grin* 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: Troy Sullivan 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Singing Praises of TapTap See

I love it! I can't decide rather I want to get rid of vizwiz altogether and 
just keep tap tap see, or keep them both.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Terrie Terlau 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:47 PM
  Subject: Singing Praises of TapTap See

  I keep being amazed at the things it recognizes. It is an incredible app. 
Tonight it identified a carton of Kroger cottage cheese and also told me that 
it was in a green and white container.

  Best,

  Terrie Terlau

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cases for 5s which offer excellent protection

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Hey all, 
so I finally placed my order for a gold 5s and am waiting, probably not so 
patiently, for it to arrive. it is going to be a while. *lol* 

While I wait, I have been trying to read up on possible case options. I find 
that many say they work for the 5, but no mention of the 5s. I assume this is 
do to the finger print sensor. 

I am curious on what cases are out there that offer excellent protection for 
the phone. everyone seems to be promoting the otter box, however, that is what 
I currently have for my 4s and it has not lived up to expectations. I like the 
Otter box concept and would like to know are there any other cases out there, 
which are similar. I want the phone completely encased and to include a built 
in screen protector. Also, I don’t want the case to be any bulkier then the 
Otter box. Slimmer is better. 


My husband is thinking of just getting one of the leather cases from apple for 
his phone but I don’t think that will be sufficient protection for my liking. 
Thoughts, opinions and ideas would be appreciated. 

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July 

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Re: Siri's performance in IOS7

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I am curious if 5s users experience the same difficulties with Siri.

Sometimes it is rather frustrating to have to repeat commands. I am reminded 
of when voice call was the thing for cell phones. call josh. no, I said 
call Josh Then the person becomes exasperated and says I said call Josh! 
You stupid thing. lol


Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Beth G

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri's performance in IOS7

I have similar problems and I have an iPhone  5

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Brian Moore bmo...@screenreview.org wrote:

yeah, having some of the same issues. sometimes I get feedback and 
sometimes I don't.


maybe this is a 4s thing but it seemed to work better before the 7.02 
upgrade.

Brian.

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On 01/10/2013 10:27 AM, Shermeen Khan wrote:
Well, I'll add in my $.02, as i'm checking e-mail anyway and often
feel I need to jump in LOL.

I, too, have been experiencing problems with siri's responsiveness. I
am quite the loose-leaf tea addict, so have to set fairly specific
timers for my tea to brew. When using IOS6, I could simply say siri,
please set my timer for four minutes and thirty seconds and she would
do it instantly. ever since upgrading, I'll ask siri to perform the
same task (politely of course, because I'm a Canadian and that's how
we roll), and then i'm usually met by a stoney silence. I follow that
up by frantically swiping around the screen, and after a bit more
silence, will hear things like things you can tell me. Ask Where's
Brian? and not only do I not know Brian, I honestly couldn't give two
flying you know what's about where he is at the moment. While this
very uninspiring exchange is taking place between siri and myself, my
tea is sitting there steeping confusedly, and then I just manually set
a timer and try to account for the fight I just had with siri.

What gives?
Shermeen



On 9/30/13, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote:
My coworker and driver got a 5C Saturday, Siri was very responsive 
compared

to my 4S.  It did have to think a couple of times when she asked it a
question, or used an unacceptable word after it told her it could not 
add a

contact to her address book.

It was amazing even my Husband's 5 seems slower than her phone but then 
she
has no apps but the ones supplied, only had it less than 24 hours and 
had

no
clue about apps.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:25 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: Siri's performance in IOS7

Hi,

This isn't true 100% of the time.  If I tell Siri Tell Mary I will give
her
a call in an hour.  At least for me, most of the time the message is 
read

back.  The times when it isn't, its because VO interrupts it for some
reason.  In this case, I place my finger on the screen, and flick to the
edit field and VO reads the message.  I find the error rate to be on par
with that found in IOS 6,  Maybe a little bit better.  But that isn't 
were
Siri is really giving people a lot of headaches though.  Its Siri 
actually
processing your requests.  This failure rate is way up in IOS 7.  I 
would

say its near the levels when it made its debut on the iPhone 4S.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info


On Sep 28, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

For those of you using Siri and iOS 7, here are a few questions

specifically related to dictation.
I understand that Siri no longer reads back the text it has inserted 
when
you do dictation. How then do you efficiently understand whether the 
text

that has been inserted is correct? In iOS 6, this is easy because Siri
reads
it back.

I have found that the error rate is very good in iOS 6. So most of the
time, I don't have to hunt for anything to correct it, making the read 
back

by far the most efficient means of knowing if my text is okay.
So, how is the error rate in iOS 7 compared with that of iOS 6? It 
seems
that there are varying reports on this topic. I use dictation a lot, 
such

as
in this message. And I will not upgrade if the ability to use it to 
write

longer messages is seriously degraded. Yet one more reason to wait.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Jerry White midwa...@surry.net 
wrote:


I have noticed the same thing.  I live in North Carolina, USA, and
have thought that SIRI has taken a step back in response.  I love the
automatically listening for a response after SIRI asks a question,
but the time between asking a question and getting a response is

sometimes large.

Also, when using dictate in messaging, I sometimes have to move focus
away from the message pane and back to get the text read.

Thanks for letting me know I'm

Re: Ios7.0 follow up

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Interesting that you mention that the at bat app is reading fine for you since 
the 7 update. I am having the opposite experience. Before IOS 7, I would read 
an entire article from start to finish with the 2 finger swipe down. It would 
sometimes have the annoying habbit of repeating blocks of text which were in 
quotes, but it read. 
Now however, I can start reading an article and it will suddenly stop part way 
through. I try to search on the screen to get it started again and it is as 
though the article has completely disappeared. The only things that are read on 
screen is a font button, article back or actions button. I have taken to 
emailing myself the link so that I can read the article in it’s entirety. 
I am not sure why I suddenly encounter this problem, but I hope it is fixed 
soon as it makes reading irritating. 

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: David Gross 
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Ios7.0 follow up

Previously I had posted that a newspaper app on my 4s was not reading correctly 
after the 7.0 update. Others on the list verified they had similar symptoms 
with various apps.

 

This morning, I was able to access the newspaper through a Twitter link. It 
read the page correctly without any issues.

 

After that, I returned to the newspaper’s app, and once again the 7.0 issues 
reoccurred. I wonder what the difference is between the location the Twitter 
link took me to compared to where the app takes you?

 

 

 

 

On a related note, those of us who use the MLB At Bat 13 app have had a 
reverse, positive experienced with 7.0.]

 

Prior to the update, when attempting to read the news tab in At Bat there were 
reading issues, now after the update the page reads without issue.

 

Any thoughts on either of these situations will be appreciated.

 

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Re: Siri's performance in IOS7

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have the same problem as shermeen in regards to trying to set a timer. ever 
since the update, Often when I ask siri to set a timer I am met with total 
silence. I also swipe the screen and get examples of what I can tell siri to 
do, which I don't care about. lol I am in Minnesota so it isn't exclusive to 
Canada. I encounter this other times I try to access Siri as well. It isn't 
only with the timer. It is like sometimes it gets hung up, or is just plain 
slow. Sometimes I will press the home button and try it again, and I get a 
response on the second try. I have also noticed that siri is tempermental 
about reading info that I ask. I could look up something, it says I found an 
article on wikipedia, do you wish me to read it? I say yes and then... 
nothing. I am using a 4s and maybe that accounts for some of my problems. 
How does siri work for 5s users?


Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Shermeen Khan

Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri's performance in IOS7

Wow, talk about insane list traffic. I was just here a scant few hours ago.
I'm in Ontario, Sieghard, and am relieved that the siri problems seem
to be experienced by several people. I hope you're right and that it's
a simple matter of server overload. I haven't yet used the dictation
feature with ios7, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found it to be
sluggish as well.
Thanks for all the responses!
Shermeen


On 10/1/13, Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:

Good point Sieghard,

I should have thought of that, seeing as how I was an ATT/Bell Labs
developer in a prior lifetime!

Holland's Boy, Bill
- The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate,
contrived, and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive, and
unrealistic.
- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. President, 1917-1963

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another way to close apps in the switcher

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Hey all, 
I was reading through the thread about IOS 7 and saw a message commenting about 
the app switcher and having to perform a 3 finger swipe up to close an app. 
This is true, but I just thought I would let everyone know that there is 
another way to accomplish the same thing. 
while in the app switcher, make sure the rowter is switched to actions. You can 
then swipe down with a single finger until it says close. You can then simply 
double tap each app to close. If you want to close only one app, and then tap 
on another to return focus to that ap, performa  single finger flick until it 
says activate. 

I am not saying this to suggest that one method is better then the other. only 
to make people aware that there are several ways to close apps so that a person 
can decide which method works best for them. I have used both the method I 
described and the 3 finger swipe. I only run into problems when I forget that 
it isn’t IOS 6 and try to double tap and hold, waiting for a tone that never 
comes. lol 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

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Re: iOS 7, thoughts?

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I like IOS 7.
There are a couple bugs to be sure but overall I am happy with it.
I like the control center, and I love the new way the app switcher works. 
though, I  do wish they had a kill all apps button in the switcher.


I am one of the few who uses the standard typing and prefer it over touch 
typing and I find that vo is more responsive when I am moving around the 
screen and inputting letters.


There is a bit of sluggishness in regards to vo in other areas, but not 
enough to bother me. It is something I am sure will be worked out quickly. I 
like the feature of being able to 2 finger double tap to start dictation and 
stop dictation, it is a handy feature. I am having fun with the hand writing 
option as well.


The focus can jump around more quickly but I have learned how to adapt to it 
and I don't have that happen as much as in the beginning. I have the most 
challenge when moving apps into folders. I had no problems before but do to 
sensativity coupled with a glitch which will randomly kick apps I had 
already moved into folders, out, it is a bit annoying. But, again no big 
deal since I know that it will get fixed.


I haven't been on the web much with my phone so haven't encountered the 
heading bug. If this is still present that is disappointing as that was a 
great frustration.


I love the new siri voices, particularly the male voice. I am still not 
impressed with the high quality voice for voice over, but I felt the same 
with IOS 6. I think the compact voices are easier on the ear. The hq voices, 
sound hissy and not crisp, I don't know how else to describe what I dislike 
about them.


I did notice that when turning my phone back on today for the first time 
since I updated that it took longer then it used to. I don't know if this is 
because I am using the 4s or just my specific phone, but I definitely 
noticed a difference.


I am very happy with IOS 7. I know that every new program will have it's 
share of quarks and oddities which didn't crop up during the testing phase. 
I know too, that bugs will be addressed and that any kinks will get worked 
out.

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Kimmie

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 7, thoughts?

The annoying thing for me is when I'm writing a text, and my texts go all
over the place.  Sometimes the beginning is good, but in the middle goes to
the end, and it sounds all jumbled, and makes me out to think I can't write
texts.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arianna
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 5:15 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 7, thoughts?

stupid decreased time delay for the touchscreen is annoying me to no end!
I'll be flicking through emails or stuff on Safari or whatever, and all of a
sudden, I jump 2 lines down instead of 1. Or I get placed at the top of the
article again, or the VoiceOver cursor jumps to some random link. I really
hope Apple takes a better attitude toward user's frustrations with this than
their blasé attitude toward things like the antenna issues in the iPhone 4.
Otherwise, things are all right. I can live with most of the other bugs, but
this one (if it's not a feature), is going to drive me absolutely bonkers!

I'm not seeing too much improvement with the headings bug.

Overall, though, I do like iOS 7.


Thanks,
Ari


On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Scott Duck l...@csdconsulting.biz wrote:

Hi,
I do like the new app switcher and the fact that Voice Over sounds can
be turned on and off independently of the mute switch.  Most of the
other new features aren't a big deal to me.  The new Voice Over bugs
are getting a bit annoying and I find it to be pretty sluggish on my
4s.  If I had it to do over again, I think that I would have stayed with

IOS6.

Thanks,
Scott Duck


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 7, thoughts?

So it's a week since iOS 7 was released to the public. What are your
thoughts so far? As for me it's very good and I like the new features,
such as Control Centre. However, while it is very usable on my iPhone
4, it is sluggish, at least from a VoiceOver user's standpoint. But I
know it's going to run just fine on my upcoming iPhone 4s.
All comments welcome.

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Re: Handwriting - how to get a comma

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Thanks for letting me know about how to get a comma. I had vision for a long 
time and have been able to get every single symbol written with the exception 
of a comm and apostrophe. lol I got quoteation marks a few times but am not 
sure what I did for that. lol 
I can draw all the other symbols, even an  sign with little difficulty. 
I am enjoying this feature. It is nice being able to write again and knowing 
that I remember even if it is with my fingers. lol 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: Dionesque 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Handwriting - how to get a comma

An easy way to write a comma is to write a dot and than swipe down with 2 
fingers until VO says comme. Same way you can reach the dash by drawing an 
underscore and swiping down with 2 fingers. This is the easiest way to achieve 
the letters or punctuation marks one is experiencing difficulties with.
Greetings, 
Barbara

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 22.09.2013 um 12:47 schrieb Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:


  Hello,

   

  I am quite intriqued by the new handwriting feature and have been practicing 
a bit. I have a feeling that if a person knows how to write which I do since I 
lost my sight at the age of almost 17, this could become a rather efficient 
method of text input. I actually don’t understand why Apple does not make this 
available to all iPhone users instead of restricting it to Voiceover users.

  They could have made Handwriting a keyboard choice so to speak. This way if 
you added the “Handwriting” keyboard to your list of keyboards, one could have 
simply tapped on the keyboard button at the bottom to switch to it, but maybe 
they have their reasons.

   

  Anyhow, I would like to know if somebody has figured out how to best insert a 
comma. I know of course I have to switch to the punctuation area and I have 
managed to figure out how to do most commonly used symbols like a period, 
semicolon, colon, question mark, exclamation mark, Dollar sign, @ symbol, 
underscore etc.

   

  I am still having a bit of trouble with a dash, if you draw a horizontal line 
across it always interprets it as an underscore.

   

  I don’t think I managed to get a comma done more than once and I have no idea 
how I did it. If I simply draw a line down the screen it inserts this as a 
“vertical line”, if I give the line a bit of a curve it usually inserts a right 
parenthesis. Any explanations are appreciated.

   

  Best regards,

  Sieghard

   

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Re: Which color of 5S -was- Re: IOS 7.01 update?

[Kellie and my lab pack]

since we are talking about the different colors is there anyone who is able to 
explain in more detail the type of colors each phone is? 

I am total now but I had 20/20 for a while so remember colors. My friend’s boy 
friend, who is a high partial tried to describe it to me, but from what I am 
seeing on list there are a couple things that don’t fit with what he was 
saying. though, he was viewing the pics of the phones on an IPad so he may not 
have gotten a clear image. 

I am wanting to know a couple things. Is the silver a shiny silver or more like 
a light gray? If so, is the entire phone shiny? or is it just certain parts, 
with the rest being more matte or dull  in color? Is it all one silver color or 
are there different shades? 

with the space gray, is it actually a black, since I have heard people mention 
it is like the black phones they have had previously? when I think space gray, 
I think more gun metal gray, or chrome in color. And like the silver, is it 
solid color or different shades. 

As for the gold phone, is it a shiny gold or more yellow. I know I have seen 
items which claim to be gold but really are yellow. My high school colors of 
blue and gold for instance. *smile* Is it shiny, and tdifferent shades? The 
gold phone sounds unique however, I am picky on that color so hesitate on 
ordering that one. 

Thhanks in advance for anyone who is able to help me out with these questions. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 12:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Which color of 5S -was- Re: IOS 7.01 update?

Hi Rick and others,

 

I waited until this afternoon to place my order, but the shipping estimate here 
in Canada for the Gold, Silver and Black phones was the same this afternoon as 
they were at just after Midnight when I also checked. I was going to order an 
unlocked 5S 64 Gig in Gold directly from Apple, but all the shipping estimate 
said was “October”. When I called the sales line today the lady told me this 
could mean first week of October or fourth week of October. Anyhow, I also 
ordered one of the leather cases to see what it’s like and even if I don’t use 
it I’ll use another one which covers up most of the back of the phone. In the 
end I decided to go with the Space Grey, so basically the same Black phone I 
have now as my 4S.

 

The good thing is that my 4S happens to act up a lot with the proximity sensor. 
I called tech support and explained this to the agent, I told him I am planning 
to buy an unlocked 5S 64 Gig at full price just as I bought my 4S 64 Gig at 
full price 2 years ago. He agreed that I should not have to deal with this when 
trying to sell the phone, created a case and said my Apple Care runs out 
October 17. As long as I call before then they will send me a new 4S 64 Gig 
Black iPhone, well, maybe a refurbished one, but for my purposes it will be a 
new phone. I still have the original package, an originally wrapped old style 
iPhone 4S headset and a few accessories. I am hoping my 5S arrives in time so I 
can get the 4S replaced without even having to use it so I can essentially sell 
it as a new, unused 4S 64 Gig which I expect will get me half the price of my 
new 5S. a big High Five to Apple’s fantastic customer service.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Which color of 5S -was- Re: IOS 7.01 update?

 

Hi.

 

When I ordered my 64gb gold right at 3.01am EST, it said shipping in 1 to 3 
business days, expected delivery Sept. 30 – Oct. 2.

 

I agree they must be in short supply or everyone is grabbing up the Gold. I had 
to be one of the first bunch as I got right in and ordered. Their expected 
delivery times have been known to be not so accurate, so I’m hoping it comes 
early.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Which color of 5S -was- Re: IOS 7.01 update?

 

When I checked in the Apple Store app last night it said shipping for an 
unlocked iPhone 5S 64 Gig Gold was “October”, the same applied to the 16 Gig 
and 32 Gig Gold. Both the Space Grey and Silver models in all sizes showed a 
shipping time of 7 to 10 days.

I think this shows that the Gold is either hugely popular or Apple has very 
short supply, my guess it is the first. I was going to order a Gold one, but 
now I decided to think it over for a day to see if I want to wait potentially 
anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks, October is not a very precise estimate and I might 
just go ahead and get the Space Grey which I understand is almost Black. After 
all, I’m a guy, so who cares and once it’s in the leather case or another case 
you don’t see a lot of that shiny Gold

problem when moving apps around. anyone else had this bug

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Hey all, 
so I have noticed something which happens sometimes when I am moving apps 
around on screen. 
I will have several apps which I decide I want to move into my various folders. 
I will get a couple moved in with no problem and then suddenly the current app 
I am moving doesn’t go into the folder I dragged it too. additionally, all the 
apps that I had already successfully placed into their respective folders were 
no longer in the folders and were back on the grid of icons like when they were 
first downloaded. It is like it went back in time. 

I thought this happened yesterday but then attributed it to me doing something 
wrong since I was still adjusting to the responsiveness of the screen. I had it 
happen again today though. I reinstalled apps I had to delete in order to 
update the IOS. I was starting to move them into folders and got 3 done. I held 
my finger over the folder I wanted the 4th app to go into, it made the tone 
like the folder was opening and I was suddenly in an entirely different folder 
then the one I was sitting on. I at first thought maybe my finger slid a bit 
and I unintentionally moved the app into the wrong folder. It was not in the 
folder that was opened and I couldn’t find it at first. I then discovered that 
it was back out on the third page of the home screen apps, and the others which 
I had moved previously were all back there too. 

I tried again only to encounter the same problem. 
I was just curious if anyone else has experienced this issue? I am unsure what 
causes it so have not been able to deliberately make it happen. 
Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

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Re: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Hey Tessa,
Folders can actually have multiple pages now so the number of apps in each 
is much larger.
I don't know if there is a cap on how many pages a folder can have, but my 
games folder has 38 apps in it just as an example. I always wished that you 
could have multiple pages in a folder because I hated having multiple 
folders with the same name and now I do.


I agree that having to wait for 5 seconds is a bit tedius. This is also 
where I notice the sensativity most when working with the screen.
when I was moving apps around, sometimes it would not open the folder I 
wanted to move the app into, while at other times it would. Also, if the 
folder I wanted to move the app too, was in the first or 4th column, it 
would frequently switch to the previous or next page, which got a bit 
frustrating. It made moving apps a  bit more time consuming then I was used 
too. I got better as I worked with it more but was surprised on how quickly 
the pages switched. Pages switching quickly is in complete contrast to how 
it was on the old IOS, at least that was my experience.


I did notice that the sounds to indicate what position the app was in, 
doesn't appear as reliable as prior versions. Sometimes I would hear the 
blip and it would say, column 4, row 4 but more often then not, I didn't get 
any indication of where I was dragging the app to.

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July

-Original Message- 
From: Tessa

Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: folders Re: IOS 7 visual issues and a couple comments

a couple more comments.
I didn't see a comment on list about folders, but I haven't kept up with all
the mail. Folders are larger, anyone know how much larger they can be, I'm
assuming now you can get 18 items into one which is great, anyone gone
higher than that?
One thing that does bug me, when moving an item out of a folder you have to
hold it outside the folder for a full 5 seconds before the folder closes,
now that is down right tedious. one or two seconds might be reasonable, but
five??
Tessa

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Survivor z: game I found

[Kellie]

Hey all, while suffering from insomnia last night I was browsing the app store 
for games and came across one called survivor z. 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/survivor-z/id578747229?mt=8
It is a game which takes place after a zombie attack and it uses location 
services to use establishments in your area as you play the game. Much of it is 
a text story line which you select what you want to do from choices you are 
given. Much of it appears accessible though it sometimes takes a bit of 
patience. For instance, after you read the text you have to tap the screen in 
order to see what the options are. Also, after I chose my character to be 
female I had to close the app and reopen so that I could get into the game. The 
few parts which appear inaccessible currently are the inventory and fighting 
settings. I can't seem to view all my items. I was curious if anyone else has 
tried this game and if they had any success with the inventory. I am going to 
contact the developer and see if they are willing to make the rest of the game 
accessible. 

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Re: 回覆﹕ Survivor z: game I found

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Yes there is music and sounds. They have music for fighting and one for the 
story line. You hear gun shots when you fight. Now, I don't think the sound 
track is that great but that is just my opinion. I can't seem to find a way to 
contact the developer though so that I can ask if they can make it accessible. 

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On Jul 24, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Ming chungchim...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:

 does it has sounds and music in this game?
 
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 主題: Survivor z: game I found
 收件人: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 日期: 2013年7月25日,星期四,上午11:34
 
 Hey all, while suffering from
 insomnia last night I was browsing the app store for games
 and came across one called survivor z. 
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/survivor-z/id578747229?mt=8
 It is a game which takes place after a zombie attack and it
 uses location services to use establishments in your area as
 you play the game. Much of it is a text story line which you
 select what you want to do from choices you are given. Much
 of it appears accessible though it sometimes takes a bit of
 patience. For instance, after you read the text you have to
 tap the screen in order to see what the options are. Also,
 after I chose my character to be female I had to close the
 app and reopen so that I could get into the game. The few
 parts which appear inaccessible currently are the inventory
 and fighting settings. I can't seem to view all my items. I
 was curious if anyone else has tried this game and if they
 had any success with the inventory. I am going to contact
 the developer and see if they are willing to make the rest
 of the game accessible. 
 
 Kellie, guide Loki and retired July
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Re: iphone problem

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Hey, you may have screen curtain enabled. Screen curtain is a setting which 
makes the iPhone screen appear blank to those with site so that you have 
privacy when using the phone. To toggle the setting on and off used a triple 
finger triple tap. Try this and see if it works.

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On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, bj colt bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Dear list,
  
 While I can use my iphone 5 no problem, sighted friends cannot use it. The 
 screen is completely blank. When the phone is switched off and re-started the 
 apple logo is on the screen and then the time, date, etc. That lasts for a 
 few seconds and the screen goes blank.
  
 The voice over is working fully.
  
 Is there a setting I can adjust to resolve this problem or is there a fault 
 with the phone? The phone is only a few months old.
  
 Live long and prosper, John
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Re: Comparison of iPhone Cases

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I'm curious, how is the sound quality using the life proof case? Does it 
muffled voice over? That was one Thing which has Caused me to hesitate I'm 
buying it.

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On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have switched from the Otter Box to the Lifeproof case. I love the 
 LifeProof because the phone doesn't wriggle in the case. Any more questions?
 
 Jenn
 
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 I'm wondering if  someone has any experience switching from the OutterBox 
 iPhone case to the LifeProof iPhone case. Just wondering if both of these 
 iPhone cases provide the same amount of protection as it relates to impact.
 
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Re: An app for removing duplicate contacts

[Kellie]

There is an app called cleaner, which I believe might be what you're looking 
for. I downloaded it recently but haven't actually played with it much. But 
it's supposed to remove duplicate contacts. Here's the link: 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleaner-remove-duplicate-contacts/id519077149?mt=8

Kellie, guide Loki and retired July
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On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:49 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
Can anyone recommend an app for the iDevices that will sort contacts and 
 remove or merge duplicates?  I know it's easier done on the computer, but the 
 situation makes that alternative not practical.
 
 
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Re: Question, has anyone noticed, sendero lookaround...

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I used the Sendero look around app successfully a few days ago. However I have 
not tried since I heard about the seeing eye app coming out. I hope they did 
not disable the use of this app simply because the Seeing Eye app is out 
because if so that's going to suck for many of us who can't afford the yearly 
subscription. I like using this app if I'm unsure exactly what street I'm near. 

Kellie, Loki  and my lovable Lady J  
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi. Has anyone noticed the Sendero lookaaround longer works? Just curious as 
 mine no longer does and I haven't baught the Seeing Eye ap.
 
 
 
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Taptapsee

[Kellie]

Hey all, so I don't know what it is about me, but now TapTapSee isn't working 
for me either. Every time I take a picture it tells me failed to send. Can 
anyone explain why this might be? It was working fine a couple days ago.

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Re: goggles problem

[Kellie]

When I first got Goggles it worked fine. Though I admit that I wasn't always 
good at getting the readings that I wanted. Now though, I can't get it to say 
anything. I've checked the Goggles settings in the settings app of the phone 
and I have it set to have speech on and best result to no affect. I don't know 
what has suddenly changed. I even tried using a still capture image and it says 
nothing is ever recognized. I know I have lights on even if the flash on the 
phone itself isn't on. I'm using the 4s. My brother wondered if perhaps how 
much reception you have or data bars may have anything to do with it. That I 
don't know. I am in Ohio visiting family where I don't get the greatest signal 
but I don't think that would interfere in anyway. If anyone is able to shed 
light on the current problem it would be nice.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 For the most part, Talking Googles will crash and bump me back to the main 
 screen. I then need to reopen it. My best results have been when I needed it 
 to read the computer screen. May be it became broken with the last update. I 
 still have the last version in iTunes. I'll try to see if that clears up the 
 app.
 
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Lois Butterfield lbutterfield...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 It used to work for me but no longer does.  I wonder what has changed.
 
 Lois
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of don bishop
 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:54 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: goggles problem
 
 Hi,
 
 I tried turning the phone off and back on again and also uninstalled and
 reinstalled.  Neither helped.
 
 Thanks anyway,
 
 Don
 
 
 
 On 6/29/2013 11:04 AM, Lea Langley wrote:
 Hi Don, have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app? 
 Sometimes this will work. Perhaps also turning your iPhone off for a 
 few minutes, and then restarting it might help. God bless, Wren
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:01 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 I tried both stop and recording and am getting no response from the
 program at all.
 
 I'll try it again though to be sure.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Don
 
 
 
 On 6/29/2013 10:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Don,
 
 Are you sure it's recording? If it is in video mode right above the 
 home key are the Record and Stop buttons, i.e. it will be a Stop 
 button if it is recording and a Record button if it is not.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of don bishop
 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: goggles problem
 
 I'm pretty sure I am.  The button says still camera so assume that 
 means it's in video mode.  No response in speech or with voiceover, 
 so it seems to not be seeing anything.
 
 Don
 
 
 
 On 6/29/2013 6:08 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 Are you using the video mode?  Thinking talking goggles is going to 
 be like Tap Tap See is a mistake.  Their two different kinds of
 programs.
 
- Original Message -
*From:* don bishop mailto:w6...@donbishop.org
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 2:50 PM
*Subject:* goggles problem
 
Hi, I installed goggles last night and have been trying to get it
 to
work.  Usine an i4s with latest version of ios 6.  I see there is
 a
free
version and a 99 cent version, so I got the 99 cent version.
 
The install went fine and the program runs, but I do not get any
 male
voice at all and I can't seem to get it to identify anything, not
 even
an unknow.
I tried turning voiceover off, but no go.
Is there a setting somewhere I need to change?
 
I listened to the applevis podcast on googles and saw how it
 should
work
ane also speak.  But, mine isn't doing any of that.
 
Anyone have any ideas as to what I can try to make the thing work?
 
Other picture apps such as taptapsee work fine.
 
Thanks for any help or suggestions,
 
Don
 
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Re: goggles problem

[Kellie]

I would be interested if someone could figure out the problem. This is the same 
challenge I am having when I try to use goggles. It won't speak anything I can 
hold it closer further away etc. Nothing happens. I made sure that there have 
been lights on and that the flashes on and I still get no speech whatsoever 
either with voiceover for the built-in speech. So maybe I will try and 
installing it again to

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi Don, have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app? Sometimes this 
 will work. Perhaps also turning your iPhone off for a few minutes, and then 
 restarting it might help. God bless, Wren
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:01 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 I tried both stop and recording and am getting no response from the program 
 at all.
 
 I'll try it again though to be sure.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Don
 
 
 
 On 6/29/2013 10:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Don,
 
 Are you sure it's recording? If it is in video mode right above the home key
 are the Record and Stop buttons, i.e. it will be a Stop button if it is
 recording and a Record button if it is not.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of don bishop
 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: goggles problem
 
 I'm pretty sure I am.  The button says still camera so assume that
 means it's in video mode.  No response in speech or with voiceover, so
 it seems to not be seeing anything.
 
 Don
 
 
 
 On 6/29/2013 6:08 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
 Are you using the video mode?  Thinking talking goggles is going to be
 like Tap Tap See is a mistake.  Their two different kinds of programs.
 
- Original Message -
*From:* don bishop mailto:w6...@donbishop.org
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 2:50 PM
*Subject:* goggles problem
 
Hi, I installed goggles last night and have been trying to get it to
work.  Usine an i4s with latest version of ios 6.  I see there is a
free
version and a 99 cent version, so I got the 99 cent version.
 
The install went fine and the program runs, but I do not get any male
voice at all and I can't seem to get it to identify anything, not even
an unknow.
I tried turning voiceover off, but no go.
Is there a setting somewhere I need to change?
 
I listened to the applevis podcast on googles and saw how it should
work
ane also speak.  But, mine isn't doing any of that.
 
Anyone have any ideas as to what I can try to make the thing work?
 
Other picture apps such as taptapsee work fine.
 
Thanks for any help or suggestions,
 
Don
 
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is transit guru for Cleveland Oh accessible

[Kellie and my lab pack]

Hey all, 
I was curious if anyone has used the transit guru app for cleveland Oh and if 
so does it appear to be accessible? I am sure it is a long shot but figured I 
would ask. I am heading back home this friday for an extended visit and it has 
been so long since I have used the transit system there that I know things have 
changed. The only app I found which apparently has info about the bus lines and 
rail lines is the transit guru. It is 2 bucks, which I know isn’t a lot, 
however I would like to know if anyone else tried it before I purchase it. 
Thank you all in advance, 
Kellie, Loki and July

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Re: Issue with Audio Archery

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There are ten levels in all. I have made it to ten.
In order to move on to the next level you have to get a score equal or 
greater then the target score. for instance in round 2  you need 6 to 
advance. If you fail to reach the target score then the game ends. I have 
gotten to ten which requires 28 to win.


as for it being buggy I haven't seen that yet so can't offer any help.
Kellie, Loki and my lovable Lady J.



-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Issue with Audio Archery

Hi Lisa,

Unfortunately I don't have a fix for the issue you encounter other than to
suggest you delete the app and reinstall it. I also find the app is a bit
sporatic, sometimes when I play it it doesn't go through all the levels, I
am not even sure exactly how many there are supposed to be, I think I have
gotten up to level 8, but sometimes it only goes to level 6 and then starts
over.


Regards,
Sieghard



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Subject: Issue with Audio Archery

Hi,all.

Last night I downloaded Audio Archery and made it to level 7.

This morning I can't get past the intro.  I disable voice over and start the

game, I'm told the score for round one.  Then there's a sound moving from
right to left much like the arrow sound effect, but it's not.  I can't get
the game to do anything until the round is up.  Tapping or flicking up or
down does nothing.

I tried closing the game using the app switcher and then restarting with the

same results.  I also tried rebooting the phone and got the same thing.  Any

thoughts?  This was working perfectly last night.
Lisa

Chocolate is the answer... who cares what the question is!

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Re: Accessable way of making confrence calls?

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Richard is correct, there is a merge button.

after tapping on add call, you can either find the contact in your contact 
list or manually type in the phone number with the keypad. It will call the 
person and you will tap merge which is approximately half way down on the 
left side of the screen. One thing to note is that you can not merge calls 
while the phone is ringing. You have to wait until the phone is answered 
before tapping merge.


Kellie, Loki aka Tigger and my lovable Lady J.




-Original Message- 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessable way of making confrence calls?

Did you then merge the calls?
I have only done this once, but I vaguely remember a merge button to join 
the calls together.

Richard


Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On May 27, 2013, at 10:46 AM, trahern culver tecks-...@hotmail.co.uk 
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Hey all I've got an iPhone 4 running iOS 6.3.1 when I tried to make a
confrence call with the add to call feature it didn't work does any
one of a work around for this? Or an app that  to make confrence calls
with voice over? Your help with this question would be most welcome
kind regards trahern.

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voice dream and kindle

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Hey all, 
I was just curious if voice dream works with the Kindle app? I downloaded the 
free version of voice dream and don’t see it in the list, but was maybe hoping 
that I missed something or that there was a way to add it. I am guessing 
probably not... however I thought I would ask. 

This would be awesome if it were possible as it would encourage me to actually 
read the books I downloaded. I just can’t get into the book with the current vo 
voice. 

This would be a much cheaper solution since my only other option is to use a 
braille display and sadly I don’t have one. 

Kellie, Loki and July 

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Re: VO question about reading content on the web

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The only tweek I have found is to pause speech with a double finger single 
tap. Then flick off the heading and then flick back to it. Vo seems to read 
it when you are flicking, It is only when you are navigating by heading that 
it loses focus. If you are trying to just skip past the problem heading, 
jumping to the next heading as quickly as possible seems to prevent it from 
losing focus too.

Kellie, Loki and July



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Subject: VO question about reading content on the web

Hello, as all of us I'm sure by now realize, reading in Safari by heading 
with voiceover can sometimes be very frustrating Because of voiceover losing 
its focus. My question is, is there a jailbreak, a tweak, Or a workaround to 
read by headings while on a website? I hope some of you can help, because 
I've spent the last hour or two trying to read a webpage, Trying to figure 
out a way to get around this issue.

Thanks for any and all suggestions, Shane.

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Re: Headings [was ]

[Kellie and my lab pack]

good to know that I am not the only one having this frustrating difficulty.

I have found that sometimes, if I flick quickly past the heading that tmakes 
voiceover lose focus, I can navigate a little farther. also, if I find a 
heading I want to keep focus on, I will double tap to pause speech, then 
flick left and back to the right to have it read it. This is a temporary 
work around. I do hope this bug gets fixed soon.


Kellie, Loki and July


-Original Message- 
From: Sarah Cranston

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:40 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Headings [was ]

Exactly. I see it in Applies all the time. It's frustrating, because pages 
like that one are so dependent on headings for smooth navigation.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Davert

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Headings [was ]

That's because they broke it in ios 6. LOL. I notice it in Safari when a 
page has a lot of headings.


Scott

On 4/17/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, I see now. I do see this when in my Google contacts. I haven't
noticed it in any other apps though, including All Contacts and
Safari/Chrome. I also didn't notice this until IOS 6.

On 04/18/2013 09:07 AM, Scott Davert wrote:

Hi Chris.
The problem is that when you try to navigate by heading, after a
certain point, VoiceOver will jump to some other random point in the
app. This seems true for both Safari and the contacts app. For
example, if I use the rotor and flick through the letters of my
contacts, once I get past the letter e, it jumps back up to some
other point within that app. It seems to be a VoiceOver problem, but
not one that is in every app. For example, I can jump by headings
just fine with NFB Newsline. Not sure exactly what the issue is,
though it seems to happen consistently with Safari. I wonder if Crome
suffers the same issue?

Scott

On 4/17/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm curious, what's the problem with VoiceOver no longer working
with headings? I have noticed anything myself, and I don't recall
this issue being mentioned before, but maybe I just missed it.

On 04/18/2013 08:01 AM, Scott Davert wrote:

Good morning, Sarah.
Sadly, the answer to your question is a no. Clearly, they can make
a keyboard equivalent, so I'm not quite sure why they have yet to
create a braille display keyboard equivalent. Perhaps in iOS 7? LOL.
Actually, I think Apple has a bit more of a serious issue to work
on in that they need to fix the way VoiceOver no longer handles
headings properly, so this may get put on the back burner for
awhile. Maybe, and this is a crazy idea I have, they could fix both. 
LOL.


Cheers from the big Apple,
Scott

On 4/18/13, Sarah Cranston sarah.crans...@blind.state.ia.us wrote:

Hi all,

On a QWERTY keyboard, control+option+shift+m is the equivalent of
the double tap and hold gesture on the touch screen. Is there an
equivalent keystroke for Braille displays?

Thanks,

Sarah

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Re: What do they do???

[Kellie and my lab pack]

I have been debating whether I want to jump in this topic. Personally, I 
feel that this is off topic but since the mods have Ok’d it I guess I can 
give an opinion.


Having taught technology to people who are blind or visually impaired in the 
past, I know that you cannot assume that everyone has the same capabilities 
and skills as you. I have taught things to individuals, have them come in 
the next day and we were right back where we started. It is at that point 
that you have to step back and think outside the box and change the 
approach. Does it mean that the individual I was working with was lazy? I 
don't think so. They were trying their hardest to understand.


I think it is presumptuous to deem a person lazy because they ask a question 
that you feel is stupid or can be obtained on their own. Who determines what 
information can be researched on their own verses what should be asked on a 
list. On a technicality, probably every single question that is asked here 
can be found on a web site somewhere and if that’s the case why does this 
list exist at all?


I have done my share of research, and yet I still will ask questions on a 
list. For instance, I am in the market for a new laptop and considering a 
Mac. I have read articles, looked on both applevis and maccessibility and 
yet I still joined the list to ask questions. Because sometimes it is nice 
to have an actual human respond.


Another thing to consider is that you don't know the person or where they 
are coming from. We all have areas where we excel and areas where we are 
weak. Additionally, you have no idea if there are any cognitive challenges 
that an individual has which makes processing certain tasks very difficult.


I have a friend who uses the computer and has even taken classes; however, 
he is really incapable doing much beyond email. The internet is beyond him. 
It isn't for lack of trying though. He just doesn't get it. The fact that he 
can email was an accomplishment. He is not a stupid man either. It is just 
that technology is not his strength.


My father used a computer but really didn't know what he was doing. He was 
forever calling me for help. I would explain how he could do it but the next 
time it happened I would get a call again. He just couldn't retain the 
information.


I am not saying that you can't assist and offer guidance as well as explain 
how a person can do things for themselves or research. Helping a person be 
self sufficient is great. However, I believe that this can be and should be 
done respectfully without being condescending and without sarcasm.


I have written an iPhone basics tutorial that I have shared with friends to 
help them when they first get an iPhone. I have been told that it has been 
very beneficial and allowing them to be successful at using their iPhones 
and cut down on frustration. I am glad that I could assist them in that way.


There are many things discussed on list which I find very easy to do but 
that doesn't mean because I find it simple that everyone else should as 
well. If I don't like a message I delete it and the thread and move on.


As for those questions generating needless traffic on list. I must say that 
this thread has garnered its share. It is the reason why I hesitated to post 
on this at all.


In short treat others how you would like to be treated if you asked a 
question. Everyone should feel that this is a comfortable place that they 
can come to when they are having a problem. They should not worry that they 
are going to get told that their question is stupid and that they shouldn't 
ask it.


I hope that I did not offend anyone in my post. If I did that was not my 
intent.


Respectfully,
Kellie, Loki and retired July







-Original Message- 
From: Ron Pelletier

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do they do???

Hi Ricardo,

You fail to realize that not everyone is able to function at your level.  If
someone has recently been equipped with a device and wants to know the price
of another device that could be better for them or to figure if they can
afford both and don't know yet how to get that information, that's a
legitimate question.  If someone is not comfortable activating a button
without knowing what will happen, that's a legitimate question also.  If
someone even needs someone else to install apps for them to use because they
can't do it themselves and they want to know how much it costs, that's
legitimate also

So, you see, every question is a legitimate question if you don't know the
answer or can't find the answer on your own.  I never saw this list as a
place where we only should work with people who have a certain level of
abilities.  I am just having a lot of trouble getting some people to
understand that there is no such thing as a common denominator in people's
ability to function.

I am not ignoring the validity of the original post, I am just saying as
part of my

Re: Clarification on how to order Standscan Pro

[Kellie and my lovable Lady J]

I have a question about using the coupon code. 

Once I apply the code, should the 12 Volt DC Power Adapter automatically appear 
in my cart? 

I ask because I put in the code and it says I got the discount but I still only 
see the stand scan pro and the  12V portable battery pack for StandScan Pro 
items in my cart. If anyone who has already purchased can let me know I would 
appreciate it. 
Thanks in advance. 

Kellie, Loki-motive and my lovable Lady J.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Clarification on how to order Standscan Pro

Hello List,

 

I also ordered my Standscan Pro today. I asked Harry before how exactly this 
should be done in order to get the discount and the free 12 Volt DC Power 
Adapter.

 

Harry said that if you use the VIPHONE discount code, you actually should not 
add the 12 Volt DC Power Adapter as an accessory to the shopping cart.

They will include it at no extra cost if you use the discount code during 
check-out.

 

So, if you want the Standscan Pro with the 12 Volt DC Power Adapter you order 
just the Standscan Pro and use the discount code.

 

If you want the Standscan Pro with the 12 Volt DC Power Adapter and the 12 Volt 
Battery Holder/Adapter, then you order the Standscan Pro and add the 12 Volt 
Battery Holder/Adapter for $4.95 as an accessory.

 

I hope this clarifies how to go about the order as I can’t think of a better 
way to describe this.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

[Kellie and my lovable Lady J]

Hey all, 
I am interested in the cookbook recipes pro. however, when I type this into the 
search I am not coming up with this app. The first is a better homes and 
gardens app. I have scrolled through several of the other choices and gotten 
nothing. I tried searching by the developer, app cookie and again am not coming 
up with the cookbook recipes pro. 
Thanks for help in advance.

Kellie, Loki-motive and my lovable Lady J.

From: MamaPeach 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

That is weird. I guess people will just have to look for it and find out for 
themselves.

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

I just got it, and it is still free.

Andy

From: MamaPeach 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro
No, someone told me that it is now $1.99.

From: Mary Ellen Sanchez 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

Is this application still free I would like to get it if so

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Marcy Weinberg marcy.weinbe...@gmail.com wrote:


  What is the process to add your own recipes?




  -- 
  Marcy weinberg
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  Fedora Outlier, LLC
  Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT ™ consulting, teaching and support
  http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
  888-958-6979 ext.3801
  ma...@fedoraoutlier.com


  On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Si sieradr...@gmail.com wrote:


I have the Paprika app and it's brilliant. It lets you search sites for 
favorites, add favorites, add your own recipes, manage meals, manage a grocery 
list, etc.

Si


- Original Message - From: Dani L Pagador axs@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro



  So ... did you download the app? *smiley* I'm looking for an app that will

  let me add recipes, as well as search for potential new favorites.

  Curious,

  Dani





  -Original Message-

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

  Of MamaPeach

  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:35 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro



  Cookbook Recipes Pro

  Developer: App Cookies

  Description:

  --- To thank for our users' support, we will make the app free from

  2/23/2013 to 2/25/2013. ---

  --- We will update with new recipes often. ---

  --- Every one needs a professional and easy to learn cookbook with 
thousands

  of recipes. --- Download this cookbook app with delicious and tasty 
recipes.

  We provide you recipes about appetizers, main course, breakfast, cakes,

  pies, pastas, snacks, breads, salads, beef, chicken, pork, casseroles,

  pizza, sandwiches, seafood, soups, etc!

  Recipes for your breakfast, lunch and dinner! Recipes for any holidays or

  special occasions!

  Happy Christmas! Cooking lovers!

  Cookbook Recipes including:

  ? Easy Recipes! Easy-to-follow instructions!

  ? Fantastic cooking recipes and menus!

  ? About 600+ delicious recipes for you!

  ? You can search and add your favorites!

  ? You can share your favorite recipes to your friends!

  ? Easy to navigate, simple to use!

  ? No wifi is needed! You can check recipes anywhere you want!

  ? A must-have cooking recipes app for you!

  ? Download to start cooking!

  ? No Ads!!

  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cookbook-recipes-pro/id585966558?mt=8



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Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

[Kellie and my lovable Lady J]

interesting, when I looked at the cookbook pro app it said it was 99 cents. 
Maybe there are more then one.  I am going to search for it once more.

Kellie, Loki-motive and my lovable Lady J.

From: Kathy and Wilda 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

It is! I just down loaded it.

 

Kathy and Seeing Eye dog Wilda

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Ellen Sanchez
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

 

Is this application still free I would like to get it if so

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 25, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Marcy Weinberg marcy.weinbe...@gmail.com wrote:

  What is the process to add your own recipes?

   

   

  -- 

  Marcy weinberg

  Junior Partner

  Fedora Outlier, LLC

  Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT ™ consulting, teaching and support

  http://www.fedoraoutlier.com

  888-958-6979 ext.3801

  ma...@fedoraoutlier.com

   


  On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Si sieradr...@gmail.com wrote:

I have the Paprika app and it's brilliant. It lets you search sites for 
favorites, add favorites, add your own recipes, manage meals, manage a grocery 
list, etc.

Si


- Original Message - From: Dani L Pagador axs@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro





So ... did you download the app? *smiley* I'm looking for an app that will

  let me add recipes, as well as search for potential new favorites.

  Curious,

  Dani

   

   

  -Original Message-

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

  Of MamaPeach

  Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:35 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Accessible App. Free For 2 More Days. Cookbook Recipes Pro

   

  Cookbook Recipes Pro

  Developer: App Cookies

  Description:

  --- To thank for our users' support, we will make the app free from

  2/23/2013 to 2/25/2013. ---

  --- We will update with new recipes often. ---

  --- Every one needs a professional and easy to learn cookbook with 
thousands

  of recipes. --- Download this cookbook app with delicious and tasty 
recipes.

  We provide you recipes about appetizers, main course, breakfast, cakes,

  pies, pastas, snacks, breads, salads, beef, chicken, pork, casseroles,

  pizza, sandwiches, seafood, soups, etc!

  Recipes for your breakfast, lunch and dinner! Recipes for any holidays or

  special occasions!

  Happy Christmas! Cooking lovers!

  Cookbook Recipes including:

  ? Easy Recipes! Easy-to-follow instructions!

  ? Fantastic cooking recipes and menus!

  ? About 600+ delicious recipes for you!

  ? You can search and add your favorites!

  ? You can share your favorite recipes to your friends!

  ? Easy to navigate, simple to use!

  ? No wifi is needed! You can check recipes anywhere you want!

  ? A must-have cooking recipes app for you!

  ? Download to start cooking!

  ? No Ads!!

  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cookbook-recipes-pro/id585966558?mt=8

   

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