Re: Accessible Air Fryer

[Richard Turner]

You simply say set the air fryer at x defgrees for x minutes. Depending how thick it is, and how done you like it, the numbers will vary. I'd probably use 400 degrees and maybe 5 minutes and see if that is done enough or too done... I usually do a web search for air fried pork chops, etc. That could give you a range to try. I seldom use the presets. I tend to use our Foreman for chops and steaks just because I like the way they come out. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 7, 2024, at 2:58 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:Hi Richard, at your suggestion, I got this air fryer aroound Christmas time.  I love being able to tell the A lady, ziggy, or whoever to airfry frozen onion rings, french fries, hot dogs, etc and wait for the magic to happen.  One day, I told it to airfry porkchop and absolutely nothing happened.  I tried asking it to bake pork chop and nothing happened.  Ended up grilling it on my george foreman.  In that case, how could I have gotten the air fryer to airfry my chop?   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 6:53 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer I also use the Cosori Air Fryer.  We have the Dual Blaze 6.8 quart, which is good for two people.  The Dual means it has heat from the top and bottom so you don’t have to turn food half way through.I primarily use it with Alexa.  It is best to have sighted help to get started, but once connected to Wi-fi you can either use the Vesync app or Set it up to use Alexa or Google Voice.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.caSent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 2:52 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer Hi I use the cazori air fryer with the vysink app. It works with google speekers and alexa. From Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. EdSent: June 6, 2024 5:42 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Accessible Air Fryer Hi All,I know on this group there has been talk about air fryers. I have a friend that is looking for a large capacity and accessible app or air fryer. Any suggestion for a blind person on air fryers would be appreciated.Mr. Ed-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/022b01dab85a%2459786200%240c692600%24%40abe.midco.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/020801dab85b%24bd1e1150%24375a33f0%24%40eastlink.ca.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn 

RE: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind person

[Richard Turner]

I just searched with Bard Express beta, under Music

I found:

Guitar method for the blind

Hoffer, Donald Charles

Annotation:

Introduction to the guitar, with instructions for playing chords and chordal 
accompaniments to folk tunes. Contains instructions for learning jazz, blues, 
and flamenco guitar styles.

Book ID: DBM00697

 

HTH,

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 4:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind 
person

 

Don Hoffer’s Guitar method for the blind  

 

Do you know if this course is still there, possibly with a different title? I’m 
searching on audio files in BARD and not finding any. Finding many Bill Brown 
items, but not this one.

 

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Joshua Hendrickson
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Subject: Re: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind 
person

 

I began learning guitar from a course from NLS called Don Hoffer’s Guitar 
method for the blind. Also a sighted person should have no trouble teaching 
someone who is blind the guitar. I took guitar lessons from someone who was 
sighted and had no problems. I also learned a lot by ear.

Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!

 

On Jun 3, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I imagine you're with the NLS BARD service? Because there's a bunch of 
material by Bill Brown. Hope this helps some!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 3 jun 2024, a la(s) 2:08 p.m., Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > escribió:

 

HI all,

 

I am asking this on 2 lists since I have seen posts about playing musical 
instruments on both.

 

I am wanting to learn to play guitar, mandolin, etc.  I have no sight at all so 
would definitely have to learn to play in a tactile manner.

 

How have those on these lists who play instruments learned to do so?   I have 
no one near me who knows how to teach a blind person to play so I may have to 
do this on my own.

 

thanks for any help with this.

 

 

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RE: Accessible Air Fryer

[Richard Turner]

Below is what Amazon currently says about our unit.  We got it for about $30 or 
$40 less  in November 2023.

 


COSORI Air Fryer Dual Blaze, 6.8 Qt, 12-in-1 Functions, Bake, Roast, Broil, 
Dual Heating Elements for Crisp, Even and Fast Results, No Shaking & 
Preheating, Dishwasher Safe, In-App Recipes, Gray


 
<https://www.amazon.com/stores/COSORI/page/D46391DC-ED44-44EA-81E1-A77E2522B50C?ref_=ast_bln_ref=bl_ast_dp_brandLogo_sto>
 Visit the COSORI Store

  4.7 4.7 out of 5 stars 
<https://www.amazon.com/COSORI-6-8-Quart-Preheat-Precise-Overcooking/dp/B09BJHB2BD?th=1#customerReviews>
 3,467 ratings

900+ bought in past month

$159.99 with 11 percent savings

 

https://www.amazon.com/COSORI-6-8-Quart-Preheat-Precise-Overcooking/dp/B09BJHB2BD?th=1

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible Air Fryer

 

Thank you for your suggestion

I’ve tried to look at on Amazon, but I don’t know the exact model. Can you send 
 a full name?

Sent from my iPhone





On 6 Jun 2024, at 11:53 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I also use the Cosori Air Fryer.  We have the Dual Blaze 6.8 quart, which is 
good for two people.  The Dual means it has heat from the top and bottom so you 
don’t have to turn food half way through.

I primarily use it with Alexa.  It is best to have sighted help to get started, 
but once connected to Wi-fi you can either use the Vesync app or Set it up to 
use Alexa or Google Voice.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer

 

Hi I use the cazori air fryer with the vysink app. It works with google 
speekers and alexa. From Mich.

 

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Subject: Accessible Air Fryer

 

Hi All,

I know on this group there has been talk about air fryers. I have a friend that 
is looking for a large capacity and accessible app or air fryer. Any suggestion 
for a blind person on air fryers would be appreciated.

Mr. Ed

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RE: Accessible Air Fryer

[Richard Turner]

I also use the Cosori Air Fryer.  We have the Dual Blaze 6.8 quart, which is 
good for two people.  The Dual means it has heat from the top and bottom so you 
don’t have to turn food half way through.

I primarily use it with Alexa.  It is best to have sighted help to get started, 
but once connected to Wi-fi you can either use the Vesync app or Set it up to 
use Alexa or Google Voice.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2024 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible Air Fryer

 

Hi I use the cazori air fryer with the vysink app. It works with google 
speekers and alexa. From Mich.

 

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Ed
Sent: June 6, 2024 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Accessible Air Fryer

 

Hi All,

I know on this group there has been talk about air fryers. I have a friend that 
is looking for a large capacity and accessible app or air fryer. Any suggestion 
for a blind person on air fryers would be appreciated.

Mr. Ed

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Re: Heading Level Access In Safari Browser

[Richard Turner]

I thought you were using a bluetooth keyboard. Those are keyboard commands. Sorry. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 5, 2024, at 11:22 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
  

  
  
Hi Richard,

This is on the iPhone. I don't understand this arrows and shift key
business.


On 5/31/2024 12:57 PM, Richard Turner
  wrote:

When
  on a web site or in your html file, turn on quicknav if it isn't
  on using left+right arrows together.
  Then, press VO+q to turn on single letter quicknav.  I have
the VO command as control+Options so control+Options+q.
  Then, you can use the singel numbers or h for the next
heading, shift plus h for previous or even shift+1 for previous
heading level 1, etc.
  HTH,

  
  
  
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be
careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the
other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell
to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
  
  
  


  On May 31, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Mario
Eiland  wrote:

  


  Use the rotor while in the Safari app
  and look for headings. Once you hear headings then flick
  down with one finger and that should take you from heading
  to heading. To go up flick up.
If you can't find the heading option in the rotor then
  you must add it in the VoiceOver rotor settings.

Good luck!

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Hi Group,

I finally was able to change some settings in Safari
  Browser on the iPhone to get it to display HTML files that
  are stored locally on the iPhone.  I  created my modified
  Dice Football Game Play Sheet by using headings to more
  quickly navigate from play list to play list.  I have the
  lists separated into running plays, kicking plays, passing
  plays and conversions at level one and the various list of
  items such as short pass, long pass and screen pass for
  the passing plays and the running plays such as left end
  run, right tackle play and reverse at heading level two.

Is there any way to navigate by heading levels using a
  quick number scheme such as is done on Windows desktops
  with quick key number navigation such as number one for
  heading level one and number two for heading level two on
  the iPhone?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind person

[Richard Turner]

If you do not have the gift that Tom has, Bill Brown's lessons are very good. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 3, 2024, at 4:31 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all,This is going to be a rather lengthy post, so don’t say I didn’t warn ya.I was born in 1954. My parents gave me musical toys to play with as early as when I was one-and-a-half years old, and I used to pick out tunes that I heard on the radio or on television. One of those musical toys was a little plastic guitar which I would tune up to a major chord. I was mystified by those little ridges on the neck which I later learned were called frets and that pushing the strings down behind those frets would let me go way beyond the chord that I’d tuned the guitar to. In 1963 I discovered the piano, and when my family would go to visit relatives or friends, the first thing I’d do upon entering their houses would see if I could find one to bang around on. Once I figured out the note relationships I could then try to replicate what I hear on the radio, on TV or in church. My folks got me started on piano lessons so in addition to learning a bit of Braille music I got an early education  in theory. But by then I got bit by the rock ‘n roll bug and was fascinated by the sounds of the electric guitar on records by the Beatles, Stones, Dave Clark Five, the Kinks  and the Who. I discovered some neighborhood kids who also played and loved rock music and we actually put together a little rock band with me on keys. We did our first gig at a bar mitzvah party in the spring of 1966 and gigged frequently throughout that summer. Dad bought me a combo organ and an amp and that was my rig for a number of years. Seems I’ve always had some sort of band to gig with both on keyboards and guitar and I’m still doing it at age 70. Anyway, back then in 1966 the guys would leave their guitars and basses down in my basement where we practiced, and I began to explore the guitar by ear and had all sorts of fun figuring out how they worked. Playing organ was lots of fun but I knew that some day I’d find a way to get my own guitar. In late 1967 two things happened for me that strengthened my resolve to get a guitar. I heard WLS out of Chicago playing Cream’s Sunshine of Your Love, and I’d never ever heard a guitar sound like that. Then, shortly thereafter my local station in Kansas City, WHB, ran their Tuesday night segment called Make It Or Break It, in which a brand-new single was introduced. If the audience liked it it would go into heavy rotation; if not, the DJ would break the single in half and throw it in the trash.  On the night in question, the new single was Foxey Lady by Jimi Hendrix. . That was a total mindF**k for me and I said to myself, I wanna do that. I loved the power of Eric’s and Jimi’s guitar soundsBTW, Foxey Lady was broken in half and trashed much to my extreme chagrin. Fast forward a few months and my sister’s boyfriend’s brother gave me a 1962 Gibson SG Junior which I still have to this day and I was free to set about really learning the instrument. Trouble was, I learned it Jeff Healey-style, playing overhand with the guitar lying on my lap. My bandmates gave me grief about playing that way and showed me how to properly hold the guitar and proper fingering. From then on, I was off and running.  It was much easier to play that way and imitate the likes of Eric, Jimi, Johnny Winter, Peter Frampton, Leslie West, Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck, all of whom influenced me in one way or another back then. I also picked up an acoustic guitar and learned a bit about slide guitar and also fingerpicking, plus different tunings used by the likes of Joni Mitchell, Stephen Stills, David Crosby and others. . That’s been loads of fun and challenging in the bargain.I guess to sum it all up, my modus operandi has always been to try to figure things out by ear and try to replicate what I’ve heard. If you’ve got the ear for it, grab your axe, tune into as much music as you can and woodshed, just play and play and play. Find some buddies to hang and jam with and go for it. It can be a tremendous learning experience and a hell of a lot of fun. Tom   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA MAYSent: Monday, June 3, 2024 2:30 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: learning to play guitar and other stringed instruments as a blind person I learnt to play the guitar first when my daughter’s primary school teacher offered lunchtime lessons to parents and then I attended evening classes. I started with basic guitar chords used in popular and rock songs but then went onto classical guitar and only stopped when the others in the class started learning to read music and I could no longer keep pace with them.Alison From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 

Re: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?

[Richard Turner]

Have you tried Jaws Picture Smart? You may have to do one page at a time...Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 3, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







But not everybody wants to pay $20 or whatever the monthly cost for that is.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 3:10 PM
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Just sign up for Chat-GPT Plus and it’ll do it no problem. I do it all the time.
 



From:
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Date: Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 6:03 PM
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Subject: RE: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?


HI Keith,
This might help.

Here is a YouTube video tutorial for a Chrome Image to Text for ChatGPT extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zob0us4bPc8


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Subject: How can I get an AI Chatbot to interpret a nine page PDF?

Hi,
I have a nine page PDF composed of both text and images. I would like to get an AI chat bot to describe this to me.

I cannot figure out how to get the complete PDF uploaded to a chatbot in order to do this. Is it possible, or just too long?

I would appreciate any guidance on the viability of this, and if possible, Specific guidance on how to achieve it.

Thanks in advance. Keith

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Re: Transferring Files to a New Phone

[Richard Turner]

I do not believe BARD books get backed up. I've always had to download them after restoring a backup on a new phone. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 2, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Is this true? If you have enough space then you can include BARD in your backup. I assume when you restore your iPhone then you’d get your BARD books back again. Obviously,
 I won’t be testing this until I get a new iPhone. BTW, when you get a new iPhone, Apple will temporarily give you enough storage to back up your iPhone.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


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Hi Steve. Bard books is something that won’t transfer over to a new mhone. The only thing you can do, is to redownload your books onto your new phone again. I know how annoying this is. Hoefully this will change sometime in the future.

Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!






On Jun 2, 2024, at 3:19 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:




When I did it last, in December 2022, neither my bard nor my kindle books transferred. My Voice Dream library did. 

 


Arnold Schmidt 


 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3



On Jun 1, 2024, at 5:06 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:


 

It's that time once again, and several iOS versions have gone by since last I even thought about this problem, but I am now in the process of getting data transferred to a new phone. Some applications, specifically BARD, have files that cannot be accessed
 through user-level applications like File or File Browser. So, is it possible to move lots and lots of BARD books from one device to another without having to re-download them? If so, can a user do it, or must it be done by an iOS technician at a store?
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Re: VDR and BKS not playing nice together

[Richard Turner]

There is no problem here with Bookshare. It is important when you have issues to say which device and which iOS you are using as well as which version of Voice Dream. The best thing to do to contact Voice Dream is from within the app. Double tap on settingin Voice Dream, then on email support. That way, they get diagnostic info from your phone. Or write to supp...@voicedream.comRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 2, 2024, at 1:29 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:I believe it’s supp...@voicedream.colOn Sun, 2 Jun 2024 at 21:27, regina alvarado  wrote:Hi, is there a problem with voice dream reader and bookshare continuing? I no longer can download books.. Where do I write to Voice Dream? I am paying by the month. Thanks for any help you can give on this. I want to add my voice and urge them to fix this as I am paying for VDR and my subscription with Bookshare is current until November. Thanks again.



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Re: Downloading on the iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Have you tried the search feature at the top of the Files app? Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 1, 2024, at 7:28 AM, Kay Malmquist  wrote:






Hi all,
This is going to sound rather dumb, but here 
goes.  I want to download a PDF of my apple card statement.  I have 
the instructions so this should not be a problem.  Where I am having 
trouble is that I have tried to download things before on my iPhone and have 
looked in the files app but can not seem to find anything anywhere.  I have 
not set anything up and don't know if I need to or what.  Can someone tell 
me how to get this process started so that I can download and actually have it 
happen?  Thanks much.
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Re: Heading Level Access In Safari Browser

[Richard Turner]

When on a web site or in your html file, turn on quicknav if it isn't on using 
left+right arrows together.
Then, press VO+q to turn on single letter quicknav.  I have the VO command as 
control+Options so control+Options+q.
Then, you can use the singel numbers or h for the next heading, shift plus h 
for previous or even shift+1 for previous heading level 1, etc.
HTH,

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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> On May 31, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Mario Eiland  wrote:
> 
> Use the rotor while in the Safari app and look for headings. Once you hear 
> headings then flick down with one finger and that should take you from 
> heading to heading. To go up flick up.
> If you can't find the heading option in the rotor then you must add it in the 
> VoiceOver rotor settings.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
> Canazzi
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 8:42 AM
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> Subject: Heading Level Access In Safari Browser
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I finally was able to change some settings in Safari Browser on the iPhone to 
> get it to display HTML files that are stored locally on the iPhone.  I  
> created my modified Dice Football Game Play Sheet by using headings to more 
> quickly navigate from play list to play list.  I have the lists separated 
> into running plays, kicking plays, passing plays and conversions at level one 
> and the various list of items such as short pass, long pass and screen pass 
> for the passing plays and the running plays such as left end run, right 
> tackle play and reverse at heading level two.
> 
> Is there any way to navigate by heading levels using a quick number scheme 
> such as is done on Windows desktops with quick key number navigation such as 
> number one for heading level one and number two for heading level two on the 
> iPhone?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
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FW: Apple's WWDC 2024 Invite Is Out. The Wait for iOS 18 and AI Is Almost Over - CNET

[Richard Turner]

Apple's WWDC 2024 Invite Is Out. The Wait for iOS 18 and AI Is Almost Over

 

The June 10 event will likely bring updates across MacOS, iPadOS and VisionOS, 
too.

Abrar Al-Heeti Technology Reporter

 

The invite for Apple's WWDC keynote on June 10 went out Tuesday.

 

Apple

Apple on Tuesday morning sent out invites for its upcoming Worldwide Developers 
Conference keynote, which is set for 10 a.m. PT (1 p.m. ET) on Monday, June 10. 
The invite shows the Apple logo and "WWDC24" in the center of multiple colorful 
circles. 

 

The iPhone-maker hasn't shared much about what to expect from this year's 
event, but with the growing focus on AI throughout the tech industry, it's 
likely we'll see a preview of iOS 18 that incorporates new AI capabilities. A 
Sunday report from Bloomberg suggests Apple could bring AI into photo editing, 
messages, emoji and email. It could also add voice memo transcriptions, faster 
search and a more conversational Siri. 

 

We also expect to get updates for the company's other operating systems, 
including MacOS, iPadOS and VisionOS.

 

Earlier this month, Apple unveiled a lineup of new iPad Airs and Pros, with the 
Pros sporting the more powerful and efficient M4 chip. Apple said the chips 
also feature improved machine learning for AI-based tasks. If past WWDC 
keynotes are any indication, it's possible the company will spend a decent 
chunk of this year's keynote touting its in-house chips -- and all their AI 
capabilities.

 

Apple earlier this month also unveiled some accessibility updates coming to the 
iPhone, iPad, Vision Pro and CarPlay later this year, like Eye Tracking, Vocal 
Shortcuts and Live Captions in VisionOS. It's possible the company could share 
more about the timing of that rollout during WWDC. 

 

Apple sent both online and in-person WWDC invites on Tuesday, with the event 
once again taking place at Apple Park in Cupertino, California. If you weren't 
lucky in enough to score an invite, you'll be able to watch a livestream. And, 
as always, CNET's experts will be on the ground sharing all the updates.

 

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RE: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

[Richard Turner]

S this a paid YouTube TV subscription?

 

I wonder if you have to have a subscription and use the YouTube app for that?

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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Subject: YoutubeTV how to record a series on apple tv

 

All:

I’m trying YoutubeTV on apple tv.

How do I setup recording a series? If I press and hold it returns to the 
previous watched channel, which is cool. LOL but trying to figure out how to 
record.

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Could someone who updated to the latestSonos app on an iPhone say exactly what works, or doesn't?

[Richard Turner]

Sorry for the long subject, but folks have been rather quiet about specifics on 
the newest update to Sonos, other than to say it is manageable or that they 
like it. Any details about the layout, etc., would be very much appreciated. 


Richard, USA
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FW: Join GoodMaps for a webinar on June 13

[Richard Turner]

The text of the article is below the link.

Full article is at:

https://mailchi.mp/goodmaps/intel-and-goodmaps-navigating-the-future-together-14173893?e=740dac6397

 

Navigating This Summer’s Conferences With GoodMaps

Hi !

I hope you’re well.

 

My name’s Kevin, and I work for GoodMaps, a company that delivers inclusive and 
accessible indoor navigation regardless of your needs.

 

I’m writing to invite you to our latest webinar.

 

Navigating This Summer’s Conferences With GoodMaps

 

Spend some time with the GoodMaps team as they discuss the reasons for 
attending conferences – as an exhibitor or an attendee – and how to make the 
most out of your experience while you’re there.

 

Whether it’s your first time attending a conference or your fiftieth, we’ll 
walk you through some accessibility tools and tips that will enhance your 
experience before, during, and after the conference.

 

The team will also talk about our upcoming events (which we’ll be attending and 
what we’re doing while there), so you’ll know what you can expect if you bump 
into us on the floor.

 

And, as always, we’ll have plenty of time for Q at the end of the webinar.

 

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If using Teams, however, ensure it’s up-to-date.

 

 

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RE: Off line HTML Documents and Safari Browser

[Richard Turner]

You might try a single finger triple tap on the file and see if you get an 
option to open it in Safari.  



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Subject: Off line HTML Documents and Safari Browser

Hi Group,

I have a document that I downloaded and sent to my iPhone via e-mail 
attachment.  I saved it to files. When I try to open it, Voice Dream Reader 
grabs it and opens it. How can I allow Safari Browser to open it?

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RE: Voice Dream 4.34.5 fixes the download issue wiht Bookshare for iOS 16 according to one user

[Richard Turner]

And, the Voice Dream team needs a lot of credit for working so quickly to sort 
out this issue with Bookshare.

 

Thanks Kishin and all.

 

 

 

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16 according to one user

 

I'm on iOS 15 and I can confirm that this works. Sounds like it was probably 
caused by Bookshare upgrading its website.





On May 22, 2024, at 5:36 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



 

For those running iOS 16, at this point, one person has reported that it fixed 
his issues with an MP3 file as well as the download buttons on Bookshare.

The Voice Dream staff has said it should fix that issue for everyone.  There 
was a change in the URL due to the Bookshare web site changes.  At least, that 
is what I understood from a message on the Voice-Dream list.

 

 

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Voice Dream 4.34.5 fixes the download issue wiht Bookshare for iOS 16 according to one user

[Richard Turner]

 

For those running iOS 16, at this point, one person has reported that it
fixed his issues with an MP3 file as well as the download buttons on
Bookshare.

The Voice Dream staff has said it should fix that issue for everyone.  There
was a change in the URL due to the Bookshare web site changes.  At least,
that is what I understood from a message on the Voice-Dream list.

 

 

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Voice Dream update 4.34.5

[Richard Turner]

Update info from today, May 21, 2024:
- Restore previous VoiceOver navigation - Fix bug with downloading Bookshare 
files on iOS 16 - Fix issues with playing mp3 files



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Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

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Update to 17.5.1 and see what happens. It has no general accessibility issues, so there is no reason not to update. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 21, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:I am having the exact same issue with the same phone and operating system.KerrySent from my iPhoneOn May 21, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:I am using an SE3 and I'm running iOS 17.4.1. Sometimes this happens and sometimes it doesn't. It's very strange.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 21, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I just started a word file playing.I paused and switched to mail.I switched back to VDR and it picked up where I left off.I did the same with an MP3 file.It also picked up where I stopped it after switching to Mail… Which phone and which iOS are you using? I’m on the 13 pro iOS 17.5.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody ianuzziSent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:48 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream The latest problem that I have with Voice Dream Reeder is that if I go to a different app and then return to Voice Dream reader and hit play it doesn't work. I have to remove the app from the app switcher and start again and then it will work.JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 21, 2024, at 5:37 AM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:One other question that’s just popped into my brain. What if they paid for a subscription again in good face that these features would work you are now in violation of the App Store agreement which states you cannot take features away you took features away and didn’t tell the user so are you going to refund their money or are you going to restore functionality?  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt <als5...@gmail.com> wrote:I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about to be two generations out of date. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC <ccunqualif...@gmail.com> wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr <claud...@gmail.com> wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug)  Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi <thunderw...@gmail.com> wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to 

RE: Sonos App Update

[Richard Turner]

I updated my iPad where I had put the last update and while this one is better, 
it is still way too clunky for my liking.

I hope the update promised in 6 weeks gets us back to some level of normalcy.

I hope they add an option to not have so damn much on one screen.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos App Update

 

Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.

 

 

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lang...@gmail.com  
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Sonos App Update

 

Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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RE: Sonos headphones are here

[Richard Turner]

Since I have had the Apple Airpods Max since they came out, unless they die, I 
don’t see any real need to buy these.

The extra battery life looks great, but to my ears, the Apple Airpods Max are 
fantastic.

 

Like you say, since they didn’t include Wi-Fi, the battery life is really the 
only thing I would want, but only if these die.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos headphones are here

 

No worries Richard, now instead of posting the first message I'll simply say 
that I am deeply disappointed that these are just another pair of super 
expensive Bluetooth headsets. I really thought that apart from that they would 
also support Wi-Fi connectivity when you are at home as all other Sonos 
products do and that they could be used as any other Sonos player and could be 
grouped with other Sonos players if, for example, my wife was watching a movie 
on our Arc surround setup and I wanted to listen on the headset while I was 
doing something else. Apparently it is very easy to transfer whatever is 
playing on another Sonos speaker to the headset which is somewhat nice, but I 
find it disappointing nonetheless. The first review I just read did sound 
positive in terms of the headset's design and sound quality. Apparently it is a 
definite step up from Apple's Airpods Max at a $100 lower price point and also 
competes well against Sony's top of the line offering. I may order one just to 
experience it, but I am 95% certain that I would probably send it back. Here 
the link to the review from Cult of Mac:

 

Sonos Ace headphones, the company's first, take on AirPods Max | Cult of Mac 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/857004/sonos-ace-headphones-take-on-airpods-max/#google_vignette>
 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos headphones are here

 

 

 

Sorry Sieghared to beat you to the punch, but for those waiting for Sonos to 
release headphones, they announced them today.  They will be available June 5th 
for $449 US.

https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/sonos-ace

 

 

Richard, USA

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RE: IOS 17.5.1 and SIRI

[Richard Turner]

I just updated to 7.5.1 on my 13 pro. It  took about 12 minutes from start to 
finish.

A couple quick Siri tests seemed to work as always.

 

I don’t use Siri a ton, and will pay attention as I do, but initially no issues.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS 17.5.1 and SIRI

 

Hi everyone.  I noticed that 17.5.1 is now available.  Since SIRI seems to be 
working quite well under 17.5, I am reluctant to update.  I don’t want to screw 
up a good thing.  Has anyone noticed any negative changes?  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: Swiping Up to Unlock Phone

[Richard Turner]

I think of that gesture more as a drag up rather than swipe up.

Touch the very bottom edge of the screen and drag your finger up to the second 
tone or clear vibration, then lift.

If your face is in focus it should open, but if not, or if you have rebooted 
your phone, you will have to enter the passcode.

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Finley
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:15 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Swiping Up to Unlock Phone

 

Some of you have been most helpful by answering my previous questions in a 
manner that was both supportive and logical. So I am encouraged to acknowledge 
what I do not understand and ask another question.

 

My question today refers to the gesture of swiping up when trying to unlock the 
phone using face ID. When I pick up my locked phone and swipe down with two 
fingers, I get the time plus the words,  “locked, flashlight off button, camera 
button.” Sometimes the words “swipe up to unlock” appear just after the word 
“flashlight.” The only thing I can do  is a three-finger single tap, which 
takes me back to the  home screen. Then I have to type my password. 

 

What am I doing wrong?  It seems that I have tried swiping up with every 
permutation available to the human hand!!

 

Sandy Finley

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Sonos headphones are here

[Richard Turner]

 

 

Sorry Sieghared to beat you to the punch, but for those waiting for Sonos to
release headphones, they announced them today.  They will be available June
5th for $449 US.

https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/sonos-ace

 

 

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RE: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

That is good to know.

 

I hope they nail down the issue with the Bookshare team for those who cannot 
update to iOS 17.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:37 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

Folks, Voicedream support replied to an email a few hours after I sent it, 
saying, that their app works best with ios 17. So I bit the bullet and finally 
updated. Vdr works as it is supposed to. Siri seems to work nearly as well as 
in ios16. Voicedream problems were solved by updating from 16 to 17.5.1. Thanx 
all for your encouragement and suggestions. 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 7:52:56 AM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:

Not to mention the new navigation control that "enhances the user experience" 
by making an unnecessary cumbersome change that nobody asked for.





On May 21, 2024, at 5:37 AM, Dennis Long mailto:denni...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One other question that’s just popped into my brain. What if they paid for a 
subscription again in good face that these features would work you are now in 
violation of the App Store agreement which states you cannot take features away 
you took features away and didn’t tell the user so are you going to refund 
their money or are you going to restore functionality?

 

 

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max





On May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  
I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those 
who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates 
for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every 
day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  
afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about 
to be two generations out of date. 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richard...@comcast.net> > wrote:

If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered 
yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button 
was back. 

I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, 
Email support.

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC mailto:ccunqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to 
bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is 
doable, but cumbersome. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:

First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is 
downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. 

I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice 
Dream and continuing reading a book. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr mailto:claud...@gmail.com> > wrote:

When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken 
offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken 
down. (shrug) 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi mailto:thunderw...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have 
another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream 
reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher 
and start again and then it's OK.

Has anyone else had this problem?

JODY

 

To Boldly Go   

 

 

thunderw...@gmail.com <mailto:thunderw...@gmail.com>  

 

"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer





On May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC mailto:ccunqu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated 
element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedr

RE: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

I just started a word file playing.

I paused and switched to mail.

I switched back to VDR and it picked up where I left off.

I did the same with an MP3 file.

It also picked up where I stopped it after switching to Mail…

 

Which phone and which iOS are you using?

 

I’m on the 13 pro iOS 17.5.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

The latest problem that I have with Voice Dream Reeder is that if I go to a 
different app and then return to Voice Dream reader and hit play it doesn't 
work. I have to remove the app from the app switcher and start again and then 
it will work.

JODY





To Boldly Go   









thunderwalker...@gmail.com <mailto:thunderwalker...@gmail.com>  





"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer





On May 21, 2024, at 5:37 AM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One other question that’s just popped into my brain. What if they paid for a 
subscription again in good face that these features would work you are now in 
violation of the App Store agreement which states you cannot take features away 
you took features away and didn’t tell the user so are you going to refund 
their money or are you going to restore functionality?

 

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max





On May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  
I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those 
who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates 
for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every 
day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  
afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about 
to be two generations out of date. 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered 
yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button 
was back. 

I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, 
Email support.

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC mailto:ccunqualif...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to 
bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is 
doable, but cumbersome. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:

First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is 
downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. 

I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice 
Dream and continuing reading a book. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:

When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken 
offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken 
down. (shrug) 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:

Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have 
another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream 
reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher 
and start again and then it's OK.

Has anyone else had this problem?

JODY





To Boldly Go   









thunderw...@gmail.com 





"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer





On May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:

Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated 
element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 
4.34.3, still offers no download op

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC  wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr <claud...@gmail.com> wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi <thunderw...@gmail.com> wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderw...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC <ccunqu...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All other app updates appear as expected. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just fine, but the speed adjustment sticks. I wish I had a good suggestion for what else to try.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 11, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see if it plays.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PMTo: VIPhone <vip...@goog

RE: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

[Richard Turner]

At this point, it is all rumor, but here is what I found after a quick search.
iOS 18 device compatibility
Today’s rumor comes after an initial rumor last month offered our first look at 
iOS 18 device compatibility. At the time, however, we cautioned skepticism 
because the rumor was posted and quickly deleted, suggesting the source wasn’t 
confident in their claims.

In what seems to be a more concrete rumor today, shared on social media by a 
private account with a strong track record, here’s which devices will be 
compatible with iOS 18:

iPhone 15
iPhone 15 Plus
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE (2nd generation)
iPhone SE (3rd generation)
For those keeping track at home, this means that iOS 18 will be compatible with 
all the same devices as iOS 17.

iPadOS 18 compatibility
For iPad users, the account says that iPadOS 18 will drop support for the 
following devices:

iPad (6th generation)
iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd generation)
iPad Pro (10.5-inch)
Other than those changes, iPadOS 18 will be compatible with the same devices as 
iPadOS 17. This includes the iPad (7th generation), which was first introduced 
in 2019 and is powered by the A10 Fusion chip.

iPadOS 18 compatibility: 

iPad: 2019 and later
iPad mini: 2019 and later
iPad Air: 2019 and later
iPad Pro 2018 and later
This is a bit odd. The iPad Pro (10.5-inch) and iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (2nd 
generation) are both powered by the A10X Fusion processor, and will reportedly 
be dropped by iPadOS 18. The iPad (7th generation), meanwhile, is powered by 
the A10 Fusion and will reportedly support iPadOS 18.

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

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Subject: ipad 8th generation and IOS 18

Can anyone tell me if the Ipad 8th generation will support the next ipad os 18? 
Thanks.


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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

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That keyboard only allows one device at a time. You have to forget it on the one it is already paired to first. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 16, 2024, at 1:56 PM, Rena  wrote:Yes, I press the button and I went to settings. I click on Bluetooth and the keyboard. It said pair unsuccessful.It sounds it doesn’t let me pair with one or the other.    From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan MannSent: Thursday, May 16, 2024 4:07 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: question about pairing my iPhone I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone. Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175 On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena  wrote:Hello, I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go.I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do it.Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one phone or the other according what I need? Rena -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001a01daa7cb%244239e0e0%24c6ada2a0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2906FD84-C290-4745-A899-CBFD7A886127%40gmail.com.



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Re: question about pairing my iPhone

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While you have bluetooth settings open on your phone, It looks like you have to forget it on one device, to connect it to a different device. Then, when you want to go back to the other device, forget it, and pair it again to the other device. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 16, 2024, at 1:07 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:I don’t know about that particular Bluetooth keyboard, but some keyboards only allow you to pair it with one device.  You probably have to hold down a certain button to put it in pairing mode. Then you can connect it with the other phone.Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175On May 16, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Rena  wrote:Hello, I have the Bluetooth keyboard keys to go. I used to pair it with my SE20. Now I paired it with my SE22.My problem is that I need to pair with the SE20 again, but it doesn’t let me do it.Does it mean that I can only pair with one phone? Is there any way to pair one phone or the other according what I need? Rena 



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Re: Phone Not Ringing

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Can you share what the problem was?Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 14, 2024, at 10:54 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:Problem solved!! Thanks to all of you. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan LemlySent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 11:44 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Phone Not Ringing Sandy,  I'm with Sieghard and Richard on this one. It sounds as if Focus has been turned on on your device. Why they ever renamed Do not disturb to Focus is beyond me but they did. Focus contains the ability to have various named settings such as Sleep, Do not disturb, Work meeting, etc. You can check or set up these under Settings, Focus. As Sieghard posted, you can check whether Focus is currently turned on within the Control Center. I access the Control Center by placing focus on something in the topline status bar such as the time and doing a 3 finger swipe up. This will open the Control Center screen and you can follow Sieghard's excellent instructions to check it.  Good luck.  Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn May 14, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: Definitely sounds like one o fthe focus modes like Do Not Disturb could be turned on. If you pull down from the top a little way to bring up control centre, you can then check on the left side of the screen about half way down where it says "Focus", if it only says "Focus" then it's fine, but if you hear something like "Focus, Do Not Disturb" or "Focus, Sleep" this means the Do Not Disturb or Sleep focus is is turned on and this would most likely cause all your calls to go straight to voice mail unless you set up exceptions in Settings > Focus to allow certain calls through or to allow notifications from certain apps.Also keep in mind that if you go to Settings > Focus, it will tell you if any of the focus options is "on", but you can't turn it off from there, this has to be done via control centre and I believe you can also ask Siri to turn a particular focus on or off.. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sandra FinleySent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 6:14 AMTo: iPhone List Subject: Phone Not Ringing When people call me my  cell phone automatically goes to  voice mail. It does not ring at all. And yes, I know the difference between Ring Mode and Silent Mode and my phone is most definitely in the former.  What other settings could cause this behavior?  Thank you.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000201daa600%248a1b0b90%249e5122b0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56569ED640444D0E9743487FC7E32%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched 

RE: Question about ringtone

[Richard Turner]

I’m with Sieghard.

When I got my first iPhone, it only rang 2 or three times before going to voice 
mail.  I called the carrier and they extended it so now it rings about 6 times. 
 They usually set it for a time lag, rather than a number of rings.  

So, do call your carrier and ask them to increase the time.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:41 AM
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Subject: Question about ringtone

 

Hello,

 

My phone scarcely rings twice. Is there any way to have it ringing longer?

That’s SE22.

 

Rena 

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Re: Phone Not Ringing

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The two things I think of when this is happening for people is:1. Is Do Not Disturb on?2. Is Silence Unknown Callers on under settings phone? I hope it helps. If not, I'd call Apple.  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 14, 2024, at 6:15 AM, Sandra Finley  wrote:When people call me my  cell phone automatically goes to  voice mail. It does not ring at all. And yes, I know the difference between Ring Mode and Silent Mode and my phone is most definitely in the former.  What other settings could cause this behavior?  Thank you.



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SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Richard Turner]

Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, 
Supersense Team


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RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

[Richard Turner]

All I can say is “Wow!”  If Tuner Energy Chromatic Tuner, on the app store as , 
“TE Tuner” is really fully accessible, it sounds amazing!  It is $4.99.

 

If anyone hasn’t read the description in the App Store, I recommend doing that.

Here is the link:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/tonalenergy-tuner-metronome/id497716362

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

 

Sieghard.

That is what I get for not being thorough.  O well.

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 12:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

 

He wrote in his message " On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner"

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

 

I copied the name you gave, Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner, but there was no such 
app. There was something called tuneable for $7.99 with in-app purchases... 

Do you have the link or the developer name?

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On May 12, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Chela Robles mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Try Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner. It has a metronome that is what you want. 
It's accessible. On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner. I use it all 
the time when I practice.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 12, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Jim Portillo mailto:portillo@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am so sorry. I did not look it up on Applevis. I should have, and I didn't 
even think about it. I think I spent more time playing with it and after 
frustration, I just went to the list. My apologies.

Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro!

 

On May 12, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hello Jim,

 

Have you looked this app up on appleVis? It's fine to ask here, but someone may 
have written it up in the app directory there.

 

HTH,

Anna

 

 

On May 12, 2024, at 10:40 PM, portillo@gmail.com 
<mailto:portillo@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

Hello there friends and list members,

I am needing to get a good metronome app that goes beyond the basics. I’m 
needing one that is easy to set and that allows for particular sub beats to be 
set as well.

The app my music teacher is using is called ProMetronome, and it does some 
fantastic stuff. However, I don’t know if it is just operator error, but I 
haven’t found it to be very accessible or useable. Some of the buttons don’t 
seem to be labeled, and I can’t tell how to set a particular tempo or beats per 
minute.

Before I write to the app developer, I wanted to know if anyone has used it or 
if other people find it useable and maybe I am the one missing something. I 
don’t want to write a developer and give him a whole deal about accessibility 
to blind people when other blind people are using the app just fine. I hope you 
don’t mind if I brought this up on the list.

If this is not a useable app, does anyone have a good app that can be used with 
the phone? I’m using Tempo Perfect, but to set it, I have to literally slide my 
finger up and down through the beats per minute, and if I’m going from 60 to 
160, I would like a better way. Any help would be appreciated.

Jim

 

 

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RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

[Richard Turner]

Sieghard.

That is what I get for not being thorough.  O well.

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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Weitzel
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

 

He wrote in his message " On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner"

 

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Richard Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

 

I copied the name you gave, Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner, but there was no such 
app. There was something called tuneable for $7.99 with in-app purchases... 

Do you have the link or the developer name?

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On May 12, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Chela Robles mailto:cdrobles...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Try Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner. It has a metronome that is what you want. 
It's accessible. On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner. I use it all 
the time when I practice.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 12, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Jim Portillo mailto:portillo@gmail.com> > wrote:

I am so sorry. I did not look it up on Applevis. I should have, and I didn't 
even think about it. I think I spent more time playing with it and after 
frustration, I just went to the list. My apologies.

Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro!

 

On May 12, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hello Jim,

 

Have you looked this app up on appleVis? It's fine to ask here, but someone may 
have written it up in the app directory there.

 

HTH,

Anna

 

 

On May 12, 2024, at 10:40 PM, portillo@gmail.com 
<mailto:portillo@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

Hello there friends and list members,

I am needing to get a good metronome app that goes beyond the basics. I’m 
needing one that is easy to set and that allows for particular sub beats to be 
set as well.

The app my music teacher is using is called ProMetronome, and it does some 
fantastic stuff. However, I don’t know if it is just operator error, but I 
haven’t found it to be very accessible or useable. Some of the buttons don’t 
seem to be labeled, and I can’t tell how to set a particular tempo or beats per 
minute.

Before I write to the app developer, I wanted to know if anyone has used it or 
if other people find it useable and maybe I am the one missing something. I 
don’t want to write a developer and give him a whole deal about accessibility 
to blind people when other blind people are using the app just fine. I hope you 
don’t mind if I brought this up on the list.

If this is not a useable app, does anyone have a good app that can be used with 
the phone? I’m using Tempo Perfect, but to set it, I have to literally slide my 
finger up and down through the beats per minute, and if I’m going from 60 to 
160, I would like a better way. Any help would be appreciated.

Jim

 

 

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Re: The Accessibility of a Particular Metronome iPhone App

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I copied the name you gave, Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner, but there was no such app. There was something called tuneable for $7.99 with in-app purchases... Do you have the link or the developer name?Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Chela Robles  wrote:Try Tonal Energy Chromatic Tuner. It has a metronome that is what you want. It's accessible. On the app store it goes by the name, TE Tuner. I use it all the time when I practice.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:I am so sorry. I did not look it up on Applevis. I should have, and I didn't even think about it. I think I spent more time playing with it and after frustration, I just went to the list. My apologies.Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro!On May 12, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:Hello Jim,Have you looked this app up on appleVis? It's fine to ask here, but someone may have written it up in the app directory there.HTH,AnnaOn May 12, 2024, at 10:40 PM, portillo@gmail.com wrote:Hello there friends and list members,I am needing to get a good metronome app that goes beyond the basics. I’m needing one that is easy to set and that allows for particular sub beats to be set as well.The app my music teacher is using is called ProMetronome, and it does some fantastic stuff. However, I don’t know if it is just operator error, but I haven’t found it to be very accessible or useable. Some of the buttons don’t seem to be labeled, and I can’t tell how to set a particular tempo or beats per minute.Before I write to the app developer, I wanted to know if anyone has used it or if other people find it useable and maybe I am the one missing something. I don’t want to write a developer and give him a whole deal about accessibility to blind people when other blind people are using the app just fine. I hope you don’t mind if I brought this up on the list.If this is not a useable app, does anyone have a good app that can be used with the phone? I’m using Tempo Perfect, but to set it, I have to literally slide my finger up and down through the beats per minute, and if I’m going from 60 to 160, I would like a better way. Any help would be appreciated.Jim -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/009f01daa4e7%243e0693b0%24ba13bb10%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All other app updates appear as expected. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just fine, but the speed adjustment sticks. I wish I had a good suggestion for what else to try.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 11, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see if it plays.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Now, I am no longer able to play previously downloaded audio books from bookshare in the voicedream app. As soon as I press play, the app closes and I am returned to my homepage. Has anyone else encountered this new problem? On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson <kelbyc...@gmail.com> wrote:I have not run into the voice error, thankfully. I post to that list, but none of my posts ever see

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

This is very odd. I have never lost the download button. Perhaps everyone needs to specify which phone and iOS is being used. That might help the developers figure out what is happening, or if it is an Apple issue. I'm not a programmer, so all this is a mystery to me. I am using an iPhone 13 pro with iOS 17.4.1Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 9:28 AM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All other app updates appear as expected. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just fine, but the speed adjustment sticks. I wish I had a good suggestion for what else to try.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 11, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see if it plays.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Now, I am no longer able to play previously downloaded audio books from bookshare in the voicedream app. As soon as I press play, the app closes and I am returned to my homepage. Has anyone else encountered this new problem? On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson <kelbyc...@gmail.com> wrote:I have not run into the voice error, thankfully. I post to that list, but none of my posts ever seem to go through; they must not check their moderation filters much. On May 10, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as reporting through the Voice Dream app. voice-drea...@groups.io  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridg

RE: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.

That would point to an Apple issue.

When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe 
to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do 
a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.

I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates 
available to show up consistently.

 

If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your 
phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream 
updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the 
voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All 
other app updates appear as expected. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all 
audio books play just fine for me. 

So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio 
books play just fine, but the speed adjustment sticks. 

I wish I had a good suggestion for what else to try. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 11, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richard...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see 
if it plays.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

Now, I am no longer able to play previously downloaded audio books from 
bookshare in the voicedream app. As soon as I press play, the app closes and I 
am returned to my homepage. Has anyone else encountered this new problem? 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:

All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson mailto:kelbyc...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I have not run into the voice error, thankfully.

 

I post to that list, but none of my posts ever seem to go through; they must 
not check their moderation filters much.

 

On May 10, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richard...@comcast.net> > wrote:

While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, 
the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have 
reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list 
the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as 
reporting through the Voice Dream app. 

voice-drea...@groups.io <mailto:voice-drea...@groups.io> 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On May 9, 2024, at 11:42 PM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just updated it on both my S E 2, and on this one, with no  changes. I still 
have download buttons, and the playback speed is still adjustable. I am running 
version 17.4.1 on both my devices.   Sadly to say, they are going to have  to 
have a device in hand that exhibits these specific problems before they will be 
able to address them. If it works on their devices as it should, they can't 

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just fine, but the speed adjustment sticks. I wish I had a good suggestion for what else to try. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 11, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see if it plays.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Now, I am no longer able to play previously downloaded audio books from bookshare in the voicedream app. As soon as I press play, the app closes and I am returned to my homepage. Has anyone else encountered this new problem? On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson <kelbyc...@gmail.com> wrote:I have not run into the voice error, thankfully. I post to that list, but none of my posts ever seem to go through; they must not check their moderation filters much.On May 10, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Richard Turner <richard...@comcast.net> wrote:While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as reporting through the Voice Dream app. voice-drea...@groups.io  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/  On May 9, 2024, at 11:42 PM, Arnold Schmidt <als...@gmail.com> wrote:I just updated it on both my S E 2, and on this one, with no  changes. I still have download buttons, and the playback speed is still adjustable. I am running version 17.4.1 on both my devices.   Sadly to say, they are going to have  to have a device in hand that exhibits these specific problems before they will be able to address them. If it works on their devices as it should, they can't make it not work so they can figure things out.  Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 9, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Kelby Carlson <kelbyc...@gmail.com> wrote:Still no download button for me; who do they have testing these things?On May 9, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristo...@gmail.com> wrote:One major bug that appears to have popped up is that the audio playback speed no matter how fast you set it, stays on the default speed. In otherwords, molasses. I tried playing different audiobooks and it’s the same no matter what file you play. Already wrote VDR support about it. Cristóbal From: vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CCSent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:51 PMTo: VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Folks, it's Thursday, 9 nMay, 2024. I just downloaded voicedream version 4.34 and still no downloadbutton for bookshare Phone is running ios16.7.2. Has anyone else had better luck with this update?  On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:Support did finally get back to me and said that they should be pushing out an update that they anticipate will fix this. It does sound like an iOS compatibility issue. On May 7, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt <als...@gmail.com> wrote:I think I remember that some of those who are having this no download button  problem say they can download from Bookshare's web site, just not into Voice Dream directly. If this be the case for you, there should be a download button if you look up a book on the site. If so, download it, then go into voice dream, tap the add button, and file browser will be one of the choices. Import books that way until this situation gets fixed.  If you choose this method, don't forget to open files and delete

RE: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

Based on someone else’s post, is audio ducking on?  If so, turn it off and see 
if it plays.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 4:27 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

Now, I am no longer able to play previously downloaded audio books from 
bookshare in the voicedream app. As soon as I press play, the app closes and I 
am returned to my homepage. Has anyone else encountered this new problem? 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:

All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson mailto:kelbyc...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I have not run into the voice error, thankfully.

 

I post to that list, but none of my posts ever seem to go through; they must 
not check their moderation filters much.





On May 10, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richard...@comcast.net> > wrote:

While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, 
the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have 
reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list 
the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as 
reporting through the Voice Dream app. 

voice-drea...@groups.io <mailto:voice-drea...@groups.io> 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On May 9, 2024, at 11:42 PM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just updated it on both my S E 2, and on this one, with no  changes. I still 
have download buttons, and the playback speed is still adjustable. I am running 
version 17.4.1 on both my devices.   Sadly to say, they are going to have  to 
have a device in hand that exhibits these specific problems before they will be 
able to address them. If it works on their devices as it should, they can't 
make it not work so they can figure things out. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On May 9, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Kelby Carlson mailto:kelbyc...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Still no download button for me; who do they have testing these things?





On May 9, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz mailto:cristo...@gmail.com> > wrote:



One major bug that appears to have popped up is that the audio playback speed 
no matter how fast you set it, stays on the default speed. In otherwords, 
molasses. I tried playing different audiobooks and it’s the same no matter what 
file you play. 

Already wrote VDR support about it.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CC
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:51 PM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

 

Folks, it's Thursday, 9 nMay, 2024. I just downloaded voicedream version 4.34 
and still no downloadbutton for bookshare Phone is running ios16.7.2. Has 
anyone else had better luck with this update?  

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:

Support did finally get back to me and said that they should be pushing out an 
update that they anticipate will fix this. It does sound like an iOS 
compatibility issue.

 

On May 7, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt mailto:als...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think I remember that some of those who are having this no download button  
problem say they can download from Bookshare's web site, just not into Voice 
Dream directly. If this be the case for you, there should be a download button 
if you look up a book on the site. If so, download it, then go into voice 
dream, tap the add button, and file browser will be one of the choices. Import 
books that way until this situation gets fixed.  If you choose this method, 
don't forget to open files and delete the book once you know it is in voice 
dream. 

 

You say you are running 16.x. I wonder if version 17.x is needed to run the 
latest voice dream? If so, this is unfortunate! 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold'

Many People Do Not Like the New Sonos App, from wired.com

[Richard Turner]

Below is the text from a wired.com article about the new Sonos app that
shows it is bad for sighted users as well.  the link to the original is at
the end.

 

 

Many People Do Not Like the New Sonos App

 

Sonos launched a new version of its app this week, altering the software
experience that tens of millions of users rely on to control the company's
premium home wireless home speaker systems.

 

Turns out, people really hate it! The response from users on Reddit, on
audio forums, and on social media has been almost total condemnation since
the app experience switched over on May 7. Users on the dedicated r/sonos
subreddit are particularly peeved about it, expressing frustration at all
manner of problems. The quickest way to see the scores of complaints is to
visit the megathread the users in the community started to catalog all the
problems they're experiencing.

 

Many features that had long been a part of the Sonos app are simply missing
in the update. Features such as the ability to set sleep timers and alarms,
set the speakers at a precise volume level, add songs to the end of a queue,
manage Wi-Fi connectivity, and add new speakers are missing or broken,
according to the complaints. Users are also reporting that the revamped
search engine in the app often can't search a connected local library
running on a networked computer or a network-attached storage drive-they way
many of Sonos' most loyal users listen to their large private music
libraries. Some streaming services are partially or completely broken for
some users too, like TuneIn and LivePhish+.

 

Worse, the new app is not as accessible as the previous version, with one
Reddit user calling it "an accessibility disaster." The user,
Rude-kangaroo6608, writes: "As a blind guy, I now have a system that I can
hardly use."

 

Sonos has held firm on its decision, telling The Verge that changing so much
inside the app "took courage"-a phrase that fans of headphone jacks on
iPhones may be familiar with. In a statement to The Verge, Sonos says it
plans to slowly add many of those ditched features back into its new app in
the coming months.

 

We should note that the changes were only pushed as an update to the S2
version of the app. Sonos has two apps: one called S1 that can control
legacy hardware like Zone Players and first-gen Amps as well as the new
hardware; and the more feature-rich S2 app that controls just the more
recent Sonos speakers. Those using the S1 controller will need to follow
Sonos' instructions if they want to try the new experience.

 

Original article:

https://www.wired.com/story/people-do-not-like-the-new-sonos-app/

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less
than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life."
-- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

All my posts to that list go through. Have you checked your junk folder?Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 10, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:I have not run into the voice error, thankfully.I post to that list, but none of my posts ever seem to go through; they must not check their moderation filters much.On May 10, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as reporting through the Voice Dream app. voice-dream+subscr...@groups.ioRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 9, 2024, at 11:42 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I just updated it on both my S E 2, and on this one, with no  changes. I still have download buttons, and the playback speed is still adjustable. I am running version 17.4.1 on both my devices.   Sadly to say, they are going to have  to have a device in hand that exhibits these specific problems before they will be able to address them. If it works on their devices as it should, they can't make it not work so they can figure things out. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 9, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:Still no download button for me; who do they have testing these things?On May 9, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:One major bug that appears to have popped up is that the audio playback speed no matter how fast you set it, stays on the default speed. In otherwords, molasses. I tried playing different audiobooks and it’s the same no matter what file you play. Already wrote VDR support about it. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:51 PMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Folks, it's Thursday, 9 nMay, 2024. I just downloaded voicedream version 4.34 and still no downloadbutton for bookshare Phone is running ios16.7.2. Has anyone else had better luck with this update?  On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:Support did finally get back to me and said that they should be pushing out an update that they anticipate will fix this. It does sound like an iOS compatibility issue.On May 7, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt <als...@gmail.com> wrote:I think I remember that some of those who are having this no download button  problem say they can download from Bookshare's web site, just not into Voice Dream directly. If this be the case for you, there should be a download button if you look up a book on the site. If so, download it, then go into voice dream, tap the add button, and file browser will be one of the choices. Import books that way until this situation gets fixed.  If you choose this method, don't forget to open files and delete the book once you know it is in voice dream.  You say you are running 16.x. I wonder if version 17.x is needed to run the latest voice dream? If so, this is unfortunate!  Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 6, 2024, at 12:13 PM, CC <ccunqu...@gmail.com> wrote:Book share invoice change subscriptions are up-to-date. I'm running 16.7.2 on an older model iPhone. Since May 1, 2024 no download buttons appear when I search book share results. I am able to download from CELA. Applause support sent a message on Saturday asking if it occurred with all books in the book share library. I told them that yes it did. No downloads. I use VD for hours daily and hope for a solution soon.On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:47 AM UTC-4 Dana Leet wrote:We did pay for the subscription and my husband and I both are able to download from Bookshare Reader buttons are available for us > On May 5, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Alan Lemly <wal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi John, > > Out of curiosity, what are your results when you do a search for Bookshare titles from within VDR as opposed to checking download history? Does the add button appear next to those search results? Also, did you subscribe to VDR at the new recently created subscription pricing model? > > I'm getting the add button with all search results and download history but I noticed it was missing when I drilled down on New York Times fiction bestsellers. I did subscribe when the pricing recently changed. > > Alan Lemly > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 5, 2024, at 7:55 AM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

While I still have the download buttons when searching for Bookshare books, the audio speed adjustment is broken on my 13 Pro running iOS 17.4.1. I have reported this through the app. You all really should join the Voice-Dream list the company has started so everything is seen by the company as well as reporting through the Voice Dream app. voice-dream+subscr...@groups.ioRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 9, 2024, at 11:42 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I just updated it on both my S E 2, and on this one, with no  changes. I still have download buttons, and the playback speed is still adjustable. I am running version 17.4.1 on both my devices.   Sadly to say, they are going to have  to have a device in hand that exhibits these specific problems before they will be able to address them. If it works on their devices as it should, they can't make it not work so they can figure things out. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 9, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:Still no download button for me; who do they have testing these things?On May 9, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:One major bug that appears to have popped up is that the audio playback speed no matter how fast you set it, stays on the default speed. In otherwords, molasses. I tried playing different audiobooks and it’s the same no matter what file you play. Already wrote VDR support about it. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:51 PMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Folks, it's Thursday, 9 nMay, 2024. I just downloaded voicedream version 4.34 and still no downloadbutton for bookshare Phone is running ios16.7.2. Has anyone else had better luck with this update?  On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-4 Kelby Carlson wrote:Support did finally get back to me and said that they should be pushing out an update that they anticipate will fix this. It does sound like an iOS compatibility issue.On May 7, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I think I remember that some of those who are having this no download button  problem say they can download from Bookshare's web site, just not into Voice Dream directly. If this be the case for you, there should be a download button if you look up a book on the site. If so, download it, then go into voice dream, tap the add button, and file browser will be one of the choices. Import books that way until this situation gets fixed.  If you choose this method, don't forget to open files and delete the book once you know it is in voice dream.  You say you are running 16.x. I wonder if version 17.x is needed to run the latest voice dream? If so, this is unfortunate!  Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 6, 2024, at 12:13 PM, CC  wrote:Book share invoice change subscriptions are up-to-date. I'm running 16.7.2 on an older model iPhone. Since May 1, 2024 no download buttons appear when I search book share results. I am able to download from CELA. Applause support sent a message on Saturday asking if it occurred with all books in the book share library. I told them that yes it did. No downloads. I use VD for hours daily and hope for a solution soon.On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:47 AM UTC-4 Dana Leet wrote:We did pay for the subscription and my husband and I both are able to download from Bookshare Reader buttons are available for us > On May 5, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote: > > Hi John, > > Out of curiosity, what are your results when you do a search for Bookshare titles from within VDR as opposed to checking download history? Does the add button appear next to those search results? Also, did you subscribe to VDR at the new recently created subscription pricing model? > > I'm getting the add button with all search results and download history but I noticed it was missing when I drilled down on New York Times fiction bestsellers. I did subscribe when the pricing recently changed. > > Alan Lemly > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 5, 2024, at 7:55 AM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone  wrote: >> >> I can confirm this issue. I have an active Bookshare account. When I go into my Download history as an option for downloading books into VDR the Download button does not appear after each book as it used to. All that you see is a list of book titles with no way to perform an action on them. >> >> John Riehl >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson >> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 12:12 AM >> To: vip...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream >> >> No, it's still active and I can download them from the website. >>  

RE: Have a question about the Air pod Max headphones I'm getting.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Kevin,

I put together some information when I got mine and put it on my web site as 
part of my “Demos and Walk-Throughs” page.

It is about four headings down from the top of the page:

https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

I don’t 

HTH,

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kevin 
Minor
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 7:30 PM
To: VIPHONE@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM
Subject: Have a question about the Air pod Max headphones I'm getting.

 

Hi.

 

My Niece got a pair of these for her birthday, and I was very impressed, 
particularly with the noise cancelation. I decided to get a pair of my own, but 
I have a question about them. I’d like to have my iPhone and PC paired with 
them at the same time, so what I could do is switch between these sources.  Is 
this possible, and what other cool things could I do with them?

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.

Kevin and Jilly

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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Richard Turner]

I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Sonos latest update.

Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the firmware? 
I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update the app only. 
I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if things would be 
different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the Sonos app on my 
iPhone 15 Max.

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Do not update Sonos!

[Richard Turner]

 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good
as before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your
System button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System
Button, but again, it doesn't activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you
want a totally frustrating experience, don't update.  I updated on my iPad
Mini 6 which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won't be touching the update on my
phone.

 

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Re: Question about iPhone case

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There is a brand called Otterbox. Many stores carry that brand. Here is a link to Amazon: https://www.otterbox.com/en-us/iphone-se-2022Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 6, 2024, at 12:08 PM, Rena  wrote:Yes, probably yes.Do you know where else can I find it? Rena  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther LevegnaleSent: Monday, May 6, 2024 2:49 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Question about iPhone case I believe it was called OtterBox. Thanks. Have a great day everyone. Best.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On May 6, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Rena  wrote:I bought the case from this company twice, but now I called an they don’t sell it anymore. I think the name was auto box, or something similar.I don’t know where to buy something that protects the phone on both sides. Any idea? Rena From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 2:12 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Question about iPhone case I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit. www.atguys.com   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of RenaSent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Question about iPhone case Hello, I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on hers, so I gave her mine.I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide. Rena-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003b01da9e4d%248e9375f0%24abba61d0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03d501da9e4e%247e751150%247b5f33f0%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00e001da9fdd%2417106470%2445312d50%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all 

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

Well, using iOS 17.4.1 on an iPhone 13 Pro, all books searched for from Bookshare have download next to them. Now, I have not logged out of Bookshare and logged baam in, which one or two people have said they did before the download option disappeared. But it has never been an issue here. Is there a way to send systesystem details to the developers? Does that happen when you send feedback through the app settings? I am not sure. But it is odd that this is happening for some and not others. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 6, 2024, at 9:14 AM, CC  wrote:Book share invoice change subscriptions are up-to-date. I'm running 16.7.2 on an older model iPhone. Since May 1, 2024 no download buttons appear when I search book share results. I am able to download from CELA. Applause support sent a message on Saturday asking if it occurred with all books in the book share library. I told them that yes it did. No downloads. I use VD for hours daily and hope for a solution soon.On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:40:47 AM UTC-4 Dana Leet wrote:
We did pay for the subscription and my husband and I both are able to download from Bookshare Reader buttons are available for us

> On May 5, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Out of curiosity, what are your results when you do a search for Bookshare titles from within VDR as opposed to checking download history? Does the add button appear next to those search results? Also, did you subscribe to VDR at the new recently created subscription pricing model?
> 
> I'm getting the add button with all search results and download history but I noticed it was missing when I drilled down on New York Times fiction bestsellers. I did subscribe when the pricing recently changed.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:55 AM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> 
>> I can confirm this issue. I have an active Bookshare account. When I go into my Download history as an option for downloading books into VDR the Download button does not appear after each book as it used to. All that you see is a list of book titles with no way to perform an action on them.
>> 
>> John Riehl
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
>> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 12:12 AM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream
>> 
>> No, it's still active and I can download them from the website.
>> 
 On May 2, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is your subscription with Bookshare up to date?
>>> I accidentally let mine expire, and that is how things looked to me if I accessed it through Voice Dream.  Once I renewed my subscription, the download buttons reappeared.
>>> 
>>> I am running the most recent update.  I just checked and I have the download buttons.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
> On May 2, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
 
 Starting today, I am no longer able to add Bookshare books to my Voice Dream library. I can still search for them, but none of them have "download" buttons. I can add other types of files to my library, including Bookshare books if I download them from the website.
 
 I have updated to the latest version, as well as rebooted my phone,
 and logged out and back in to Bookshare. Voice Dream support has not yet written me back (in fact I don't know if I've ever received a response from them since Applause bought it.) Has anyone else seen this problem?
 
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Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

Well, I have not logged out of my account in Voice Dream, and when looking at 
my download history,  there was only one book that didn't have a download 
button following the title. I should say, the word download on the others did 
not say it was a button, but double tapping it downloaded the book. In the one 
case where the word download did not appear, after double tapping on the title, 
the download option was at the top of the book details screen. 
I'm not going to log out just to see if I can break it on my phone, but perhaps 
that is the issue? 



Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On May 5, 2024, at 5:55 AM, 'john riehl' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm this issue. I have an active Bookshare account. When I go into 
> my Download history as an option for downloading books into VDR the Download 
> button does not appear after each book as it used to. All that you see is a 
> list of book titles with no way to perform an action on them.
> 
> John Riehl
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelby 
> Carlson
> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 12:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream
> 
> No, it's still active and I can download them from the website.
> 
>> On May 2, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is your subscription with Bookshare up to date?
>> I accidentally let mine expire, and that is how things looked to me if I 
>> accessed it through Voice Dream.  Once I renewed my subscription, the 
>> download buttons reappeared.
>> 
>> I am running the most recent update.  I just checked and I have the download 
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
 On May 2, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Starting today, I am no longer able to add Bookshare books to my Voice 
>>> Dream library. I can still search for them, but none of them have 
>>> "download" buttons. I can add other types of files to my library, including 
>>> Bookshare books if I download them from the website.
>>> 
>>> I have updated to the latest version, as well as rebooted my phone,
>>> and logged out and back in to Bookshare. Voice Dream support has not yet 
>>> written me back (in fact I don't know if I've ever received a response from 
>>> them since Applause bought it.) Has anyone else seen this problem?
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Re: Ringtone

[Richard Turner]

Have you checked the mute switch on the side? Also, the settings, sounds, ringer volume and have change with buttons is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 5, 2024, at 4:50 AM, Rena  wrote:Hello, My new phone, SE22 vibrates instead of ringing. I’m trying to change that, but I can’t. What’s the exact steps to take? Rena



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Re: NOT WORKING!! Re: Can a number be automatically sent to a phone menu to always connect with the operator?

[Richard Turner]

Normally, you simply add enough commas to get to the place you can enter the required number with no punctuation after that. Like, 555-555-,,,0Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 4, 2024, at 9:36 PM, Peter Tesar  wrote:
  

  
  


  Hello, 
   
  Thanks for your suggestions but it doesn't work.
  

  I would like to use the phone app to
  call 2 taxi companies. They play a menu with the option to
  press “0” to be
  redirected to the operator. 
  They
  do not give the option to stay on the line to be redirected to
  an operator. 
  The menu then repeats continuously.
   
  I was told that the “0” could be
  automatically sent by editing the contact and adding 1 or more
  commas and “0” to
  the end of the phone number field.
   
  I tried 1 and then more commas after
  the taxi number followed by the number “0”. 

  The menu continues to repeat. 
   
  Using 3 commas there is enough of a delay to
  hear:
     Press 1 to order a taxi,
  press 0 for an
  operator. 
  I then hear the touch tone but the menu
  continues. 
   
  When placing the call manually, I can
  use VoiceOver to double tap “0”. 
  The operator then comes on the line. 
   
  The phone app does not connect after
  sending the touch tone for “0”.
  Is there another character required at
  the end of the phone number field? 
   
  Peter T. 



On 2024-04-24 12:48 AM, Katrina
  Anderson wrote:


  
  
  
  
Peter, try the following:

  Inside of the contact,
  there is an edit button.  Click on that; you
  can swipe through and open fields as desired.  When
  finished editing, click on update or save…can’t recall the
  prompt, but do whatever is needed to save the changes.
  Navigate to and open
  (single finger double tap) the phone number field.
  Put the cursor at the end
  of the phone number.
  Add 1 or more commas and
  then zero.  The commas are there to pass
  time and/or get to the prompt to tap zero.  You
  could try using 1 comma to see if that is sufficient, and
  if not, continue to add commas as needed.  When
  finished editing, remember to save your changes.  That
  may be a poor explanation; perhaps someone else can do a
  better job.
  Although it is a tad more
  complex and/or requires more effort, you can use the
  commas to automatically move you through automated
  systems.  I use commas in contacts where
  multiple responses are needed.  For example,
  the first prompt might require me to push 3, the second
  prompt might require me to push 1, etc.  It
  takes some trial/error to determine how many commas are
  placed between digits, but when done, all I have to do is
  activate the contact and wait as digits are automatically
  entered.  Different actions are needed at a
  particular point in my banks process, so I include only
  digits needed to that point; I can then manage to tap the
  required digit when prompted.

 

  
HTH
Katrina
From:
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can a number be automatically sent to a
phone menu to always connect with the operator?
  

 
Hello, 
 
I’m using the iPhone 14 and IOS 17.4.
  
My Contacts has two taxies and
whenever I call one of them, a talking menu comes up. With
each menu there is no option to remain on the line to be
redirected to a live operator. The menu keeps repeating. 
I have to enter the number zero for
the operator. 
 
In a noisy area, it is difficult to
find the number (on the onscreen number pad), with VoiceOver
and the menu talking at the same time. 
Is there a way to have zero (or
another number) pressed without having to use VoiceOver?
 
Peter T. 
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RE: Question about iPhone case

[Richard Turner]

I don’t know if they sell cases, but could it have been ATGuys?

I believe that phone is identical in size and button configuration as the 
iPhone 8.  So a case for the 8, SE and SE 2022 should fit.

 

www.atguys.com  

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about iPhone case

 

Hello,

 

I just bought a new iPhone, SE2022 because my mother poured some sauerkraut on 
hers, so I gave her mine.

I want to have another case like the one I had, but I don’t remember where I 
bought  it. The name of the place was something like t-guide.

 

Rena

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RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

[Richard Turner]

I tried writing support, but their support email is “no longer monitored,” so 
you have to go through their web interface to contact them.

That is not very good either.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by 
screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

 

That is very concerning. The same question was asked by a blind Sonos user on 
the Sonos Community forum and a Sonos staff member replied as follows, that was 
about 2 weeks ago:

 

Yes, the new Sonos app has been tested with voice-over and will continue to be 
accessible to voice-over users. We aim to keep improving this experience and 
our ultimate goal is to have an even better experience for voice-over users 
with our new app update.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 8:45 AM
To: VIPhone Email List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Fwd: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by 
screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

 

 

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:

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Date: May 3, 2024 at 11:59:34 PM CDT
To: List mailto:tech...@groups.io> >
Subject: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen 
reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large
Reply-To: tech...@groups.io  

 


https://mosen.org/sonos2024/


It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The 
CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t


  Jonathan Mosen Posted on  
 04/05/2024 Posted in  
 accessibility,  
 commentary 


What is Sonos?


Sonos develop a series of high-quality smart speakers. They are known for their 
ability to stay in sync throughout your home when the speakers are grouped. 
Sonos speakers come in a range of form factors, from portable devices all the 
way to soundbars.

You can send content to all current Sonos speakers via Apple’s AirPlay, and 
some support Bluetooth. But integral to the Sonos experience is its dedicated 
app. It is used to add speakers, configure services, set alarms, modify system 
preferences, search across streaming music services, add frequently used radio 
stations and more.

Because the app is critical to the operation of a Sonos network, those of us 
who are blind and have invested in the ecosystem have done so based on trust. 
We trust that Sonos will act responsibly, and not release an update to their 
app which, at worst, would turn the investment blind people have made into 
unusable paperweights. We rely on Sonos to keep their end of the bargain and 
ensure that their updates adhere to good accessibility practices so their apps 
are accessible with screen readers such as VoiceOver on Mac and iOS, Talkback 
on Android, and various third-party screen readers for Windows.

Unfortunately, it appears that Sonos is about to breach that trust 
significantly, with a new app scheduled for release on 7 May.

This article outlines the problem and why it is such an egregious act of bad 
faith on Sonos’s part. It then discusses how blind people can hopefully protect 
and preserve access to the speakers they have paid for, at least in the short 
term.


Seeking answers from Sonos


In late-April, Sonos announced a complete rewrite of their mobile apps, due for 
release on 7 May. The separate tabs at the bottom of the app will be gone. 
Instead, everything will happen on a single screen the user can organise to 
suit their preferences.

There are certain triggering keywords for those of us who’ve been in the 
accessibility advocacy space. When Sonos talked of the app being “rewritten 
from the ground up” and a “new look and feel”, that prompted questions at best, 
rang alarm bells at worst.

Immediately, the   Living Blindfully email box 
started receiving email from anxious Sonos users, wanting to know whether 

RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

[Richard Turner]

After reading Jonathan’s whole post, this sounds like that is a sighted person 
saying it is accessible, but to what degree sounds very much in question.  If 
double tapping on the System button does nothing, then this will be awful.

I do not plan to update immediately, but wait and see what happens.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by 
screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

 

That is very concerning. The same question was asked by a blind Sonos user on 
the Sonos Community forum and a Sonos staff member replied as follows, that was 
about 2 weeks ago:

 

Yes, the new Sonos app has been tested with voice-over and will continue to be 
accessible to voice-over users. We aim to keep improving this experience and 
our ultimate goal is to have an even better experience for voice-over users 
with our new app update.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 8:45 AM
To: VIPhone Email List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Fwd: [Tech-VI] It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by 
screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your 
investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

 

 

Sent from my iPhone


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Date: May 3, 2024 at 11:59:34 PM CDT
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investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large
Reply-To: tech...@groups.io  

 


https://mosen.org/sonos2024/


It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The 
CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t


  Jonathan Mosen Posted on  
 04/05/2024 Posted in  
 accessibility,  
 commentary 


What is Sonos?


Sonos develop a series of high-quality smart speakers. They are known for their 
ability to stay in sync throughout your home when the speakers are grouped. 
Sonos speakers come in a range of form factors, from portable devices all the 
way to soundbars.

You can send content to all current Sonos speakers via Apple’s AirPlay, and 
some support Bluetooth. But integral to the Sonos experience is its dedicated 
app. It is used to add speakers, configure services, set alarms, modify system 
preferences, search across streaming music services, add frequently used radio 
stations and more.

Because the app is critical to the operation of a Sonos network, those of us 
who are blind and have invested in the ecosystem have done so based on trust. 
We trust that Sonos will act responsibly, and not release an update to their 
app which, at worst, would turn the investment blind people have made into 
unusable paperweights. We rely on Sonos to keep their end of the bargain and 
ensure that their updates adhere to good accessibility practices so their apps 
are accessible with screen readers such as VoiceOver on Mac and iOS, Talkback 
on Android, and various third-party screen readers for Windows.

Unfortunately, it appears that Sonos is about to breach that trust 
significantly, with a new app scheduled for release on 7 May.

This article outlines the problem and why it is such an egregious act of bad 
faith on Sonos’s part. It then discusses how blind people can hopefully protect 
and preserve access to the speakers they have paid for, at least in the short 
term.


Seeking answers from Sonos


In late-April, Sonos announced a complete rewrite of their mobile apps, due for 
release on 7 May. The separate tabs at the bottom of the app will be gone. 
Instead, everything will happen on a single screen the user can organise to 
suit their preferences.

There are certain triggering keywords for those of us who’ve been in the 
accessibility advocacy space. When Sonos talked of the app being “rewritten 
from the ground up” and a “new look and feel”, that prompted questions at best, 
rang alarm bells at worst.

Immediately, the  

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Richard Turner]

I just searched for a book, and all the results had the download button and I 
downloaded a book. 
Since you were also having the issue of not being able to rewind, delete etc., 
perhaps you need to delete the app and install it again. If you have sync 
library using iCloud on, you should be able to get your books back. 


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On May 2, 2024, at 5:59 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Starting today, I am no longer able to add Bookshare books to my Voice Dream 
> library. I can still search for them, but none of them have "download" 
> buttons. I can add other types of files to my library, including Bookshare 
> books if I download them from the website.
> 
> I have updated to the latest version, as well as rebooted my phone, and 
> logged out and back in to Bookshare. Voice Dream support has not yet written 
> me back (in fact I don't know if I've ever received a response from them 
> since Applause bought it.)
> Has anyone else seen this problem?
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RE: looking for an app

[Richard Turner]

It could be in a folder, and I don’t know what that would be called.

You could try touching in the middle of the home screen, then swipe down with 
three fingers and bring up the spotlight search.

Write reminders and see if it shows you where it is, or at least lets you open 
it.

 

You could also open it with Siri.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 1:06 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: looking for an app

 

Hi,

 

Can anyone tell me where on the phone to find the Reminders  app?

 

The phone is a SE 2020. The alerts are coming in but I can't find the app to 
delete those alerts. I've hunted everywhere. This is not my phone, so I'm not 
sure exactly where to look.

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 

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RE: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

[Richard Turner]

I do not know if this is related, but those with newer phones that are having 
this issue, have you dug into the newer, deeper levels of notification settings?
Under messages, there is the Notification Grouping, and a separate customize 
notifications setting.
Under VoiceOver, there is also the Notification Grouping, amongst the usual 
other settings.
You may want to experiment with those unless you have already done so.

To be clear, I have no idea what is happening, I'm simply offering ideas.  I 
would not be surprised if this is a bug that doesn't effect everyone which will 
make it very difficult for Apple to isolate and fix.


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 5:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current 
article

I too have posted about this behavior and people piled on telling me my 
notification settings were to blame.  They're not. So I just am living with it 
and hoping someone with more sway can get it fixed at some point. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Apr 28, 2024, at 11:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have to disagree, Earl. I guess you’re blessed, or maybe you’re running an 
> iPhone 15? My settings on an iPhone 7 Plus for notifications are the same as 
> for my XR. But I can read articles using my 7+, older phone and they just 
> read. With the 10 R, it’s awful. An incoming notification even if it doesn’t 
> talk, I hear the ding, and then the reading stops. I’ve posted about this 
> before, even without notifications coming in. You can invoke reader mode or 
> not. Sometimes reader mode helps. But mostly it’s not helping. There is a 
> huge problem and I have reported it to no avail. Why does my old 7+ which is 
> stuck back on I think it’s iOS 15 I don’t know. Why does that work to read 
> through articles but the newer iOS doesn’t? So I have to disagree with you. 
> Something else is happening here.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 7:58 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what I would change in voiceover settings under verbosity to  
>> make it so that an article will continuously  read.
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:30 PM, Earle  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not an iOS bug. I'm running iOS 17.4.1 and I am not experiencing 
>> this. Check your notification verbosity settings under VoiceOver settings.
>> 
>> Earle
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 24, 2024, at 4:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is an ios17 bug so follow me and do all report to 
>>> accessib...@apple.com
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Mary Otten
>>> Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2024 5:21
>>> Aan: VIPhone via 
>>> Onderwerp: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article
>>> 
>>> I have two iPhones, the newer one, an iPhone XR, and my ancient really 
>>> ancient iPhone 7 Plus. If I am reading an article on the seriously older 
>>> phone, I never have this problem. So that means it must have come from an 
>>> iOS that my old phone doesn’t have. I think I’m stuck on that phone on iOS 
>>> 15. Whenever I am reading something, be at an email or something on the 
>>> web, when a notification comes in, I get the notification sound, the 
>>> reading absolutely stops and it’s curtains time. On the old iPhone, the 
>>> reading just keeps on happening. So I don’t know what’s going on if I have 
>>> a setting that I need to change on my so-called newer phone or not. But I 
>>> am also finding the same crap when I’m trying to read an article or 
>>> something And there are advertisements. The old phone just blows them away 
>>> and doesn’t care. The newer phone, reading stops and everything’s crappy. 
>>> So it’s got to be something in the newer versions of iOS that my old 7+ 
>>> doesn’t have. It’s way more pleasant frankly to read things on the old 
>>> phone because unwanted interruptions and ads don’t kill things.  is anybody 
>>> else noticed this and what can I do about it?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: an email folder question

[Richard Turner]

I do not know of a way to do this on an iPhone. Only on a computer for accounts 
that either use iMap or Exchange,  then they show up on the iPhone. 

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Apr 27, 2024, at 8:37 PM, 'Karen Poulakos' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have 3 email accounts on my phone.  I'd like to add a folder to one of the
> accounts for messages I'd like to save, so I don't accidentally delete them.
> Is there a way to do this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Karen P
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RE: pausing recording in Voice Memos or alternative app

[Richard Turner]

The new Tape It app has either a monthly, yearly subscription, or a one time 
fee of I think $30. The monthly fees look like they are around $6 per month and 
annually could be $20 but there are 10 amounts listed in the app store so I 
wrote the contact person listed in David Goldfield's Tech-VI list note.
Audio Memos Pro I think might be free for some uses but is about $10 I think 
for one of the purchase options.
Just Press Record, in my opinion, is a bit easier to use than Audio Memos.  I 
have not tried this new Tape It app.



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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: pausing recording in Voice Memos or alternative app

AudioMemos which allows to via the magic-tap, to resume recordings without 
having to have several files. There’s a new app just-released someting 
something about Tape… might that app have the magic-tap for resuming?Try Gera 
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 26 abr 2024, a la(s) 11:17 a.m., Ryan Mann  escribió:
> 
> If you are recording something using Voice Memos, is there any way to pause 
> the recording then start recording again and have it be one recording?  If 
> not, are there any other recording apps that have this capability?
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist 
> rmann0...@gmail.com
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RE: Uber phone number where I could talk to a live agent.

[Richard Turner]

According to an AI search in Perplexity, 

Rider and driver support have the same number: 1-800-593-7069

Their 0 tolerance complaint line is 1-800-664-1378

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Uber phone number where I could talk to a live agent.

 

I was scheduling a ride for tomorrow and it charged me 20 bucks. I’m on the 
Uber option program and I’m only supposed to be charged $2.50 so I need to 
cancel the $20 transaction before it withdrawals. I don’t like when I have to, 
do this new stuff where you have to do it on the computer? I feel more 
comfortable talking to somebody like you did back in the day as if we didn’t 
have a computer regarding stuff like what happened to me an hour or so ago 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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RE: How to get the most out of Apple Maps

[Richard Turner]

Hi Sieghard,

I just used it in the car with my wife a few days ago and it spoke just fine.

When you hit the Go button, if it isn’t talking, see if there is a button that 
says “Audio, All guidance.”

It is just after the Overview Mode button.

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RE: pausing recording in Voice Memos or alternative app

[Richard Turner]

No, the Magic tap stops the recording.
IN the app called "Just Press Record" which is $4.99 once you start the 
recording, there is a pause button that is one flick left from the stop button.
Of course, you end up hearing VoiceOver say those things on the recording 
unless perhaps if you are wearing headphones but recording from the iPhone 
microphone.
Just Press Record also can use the stereo microphones on iPhones that have them.
You can record in different formats as well.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/just-press-record/id1033342465



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Subject: Re: pausing recording in Voice Memos or alternative app

Hello Ryan,

I'm pretty sure the magic tap pauses a voice memos recording.

Best,
Anna


> On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
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> If you are recording something using Voice Memos, is there any way to pause 
> the recording then start recording again and have it be one recording?  If 
> not, are there any other recording apps that have this capability? 
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How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps

[Richard Turner]

For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  

>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:

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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps

 

Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM


How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps




by Joe Lonergan

Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.

Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.

So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?

1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on

We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.

If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?

You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.

https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/

 

 

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

 

​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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Re: Out going Phone Calls on my iPhone.

[Richard Turner]

That is very strange. It almost sounds like someone else also has your phone number. It might get to the point that you might have to have them change your number. But, I know that is beyond a royal pain. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 24, 2024, at 5:43 PM, janet gross  wrote:







Hi Richard, 
I did do the search, and that number is to a Sheriff’s Office. 

I just don’t know how all this is happening.  
A couple of weeks ago, this same thing happened, and I was still sleeping at that time. 

 
Janet  
Janet 
 


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Out going Phone Calls on my iPhone.


 
Try doing a web search for the number to see if you can discover what it is.
 
 

 
Richard, USA
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 stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:
https://www.turner42.com

 


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Subject: Out going Phone Calls on my iPhone.


 
Hi Everyone, 
 
Recently I have been noticing several out going calls on my phone in the recent phone app. 

I didn’t make those calls.  
A few weeks ago, I called my phone carrier T-Mobile, and they said they checked everything they could on there end, and everything looked fine. 

They also said they don’t see the out going calls I was telling them about though. 

They got Apple on the phone, because they said those calls might be because I have them backed up they might be in the Apple Cloud.

Apple said there isn’t anything they can do.  
So once again, I am in between my phone carrier, and Apple. 

So now, this morning there is another call on my phone saying it is a out going call, but I didn’t make that call either. 

Can someone please shed some light on this, as this just doesn’t make any sense. 

I am using an XR iPhone with 17.4.1. 
 
I would greatly appreciate some suggestions.  .
 
Janet 
 
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RE: Out going Phone Calls on my iPhone.

[Richard Turner]

Try doing a web search for the number to see if you can discover what it is.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Out going Phone Calls on my iPhone.

 

Hi Everyone, 

 

Recently I have been noticing several out going calls on my phone in the recent 
phone app.  

I didn’t make those calls.  

A few weeks ago, I called my phone carrier T-Mobile, and they said they checked 
everything they could on there end, and everything looked fine.  

They also said they don’t see the out going calls I was telling them about 
though.  

They got Apple on the phone, because they said those calls might be because I 
have them backed up they might be in the Apple Cloud. 

Apple said there isn’t anything they can do.  

So once again, I am in between my phone carrier, and Apple.  

So now, this morning there is another call on my phone saying it is a out going 
call, but I didn’t make that call either.  

Can someone please shed some light on this, as this just doesn’t make any 
sense.  

I am using an XR iPhone with 17.4.1. 

 

I would greatly appreciate some suggestions.  .

 

Janet 

 

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RE: Problem with my phone dropping calls

[Richard Turner]

Have you checked your cell bars when this happens?

If you don’t have more than 1 cell bar, you are very likely going to drop calls.

 

Also, Have you talked with your carrier?

 

 

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you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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colleyd1...@gmail.com
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Problem with my phone dropping calls

 

I am having a lot of problems lately with my i-phone dropping calls. I’ve 
powered it down a couple of times and did a factory reset. I’ve closed out all 
aps. My wifi signal is good. I’m using an iphone SE3. Does anyone have any 
other suggestions? Are there any other settings I should check?

 

Denise 

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Re: Voice dreamer

[Richard Turner]

 That is only for people using the paid app on a Mac computer and another device like an iPhone or iPad. And no, that would not be your Apple ID in any case. If you do not have a Mac subscription, you do not need to worry about that. The paid Mac subscription gives you access to syncing your data with your phone or iPad. If you are a regular user of the app, you may want to join the Voice-dream group that was set up by the company. Send an email to voice-dream+subscr...@groups.ioto subscribe.  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 23, 2024, at 2:53 AM, Francisco Rodriguez  wrote:Sent from my iPhone Hey everyone,Hope you're all doing well. I've got a question and was hoping someone could help me out. So, I was browsing through the Voice Dream app settings the other day and came across an option I've never seen before called "logging." When I clicked on it, it asked for a username and password so I could access my Apple devices more easily.Now, I'm wondering, should I input my Apple ID and password? How does this work exactly?Thanks a bunch in advance to anyone who can lend a hand.



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Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

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Leo, are you sure about the free part of that? I have Microsoft 365 and would be concerned that if I try to use copilot on my phone, since I'm logged into my m365 account, I'll get charged the crazy $20 per month. I'm quite fine with Perplexity for the few things I use it for. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 18, 2024, at 4:27 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:Use Microsoft Copilot, in the iPhone version you can use GPT 4  (the most powerful GPT from OpenAI) for free. Cheers,Leo Bado. I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James BentleySent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:20 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss No, I did not sign up for the subscription.You get a 3 day trial followed by two ways to pay.Weekly for I think it was $7.00, and I think $57.00 per year. I could have loads of fun with this but I want to wait until the price is lower. James B James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:56 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. I have not used it daily.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/   On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:That’s pretty cool! Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of wiljame...@gmail.comSent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there. YouI am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe the layout of the chorus and the holes to me! ChatGPTThe Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a narrow green.The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot to the elevated green.Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet picturesque test for the world's best golfers. YouTell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National. ChatGPTAmen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which features a narrow tee shot and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. Finally, the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging and picturesque parts of Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have unfolded over the years. YouDescribe the other holes to me. ChatGPTCertainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:1.Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.2.Hole 2 - Pink Dogwood: A 

Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[Richard Turner]

Well, in the app description of the one I mentioned, it specifies Pro with the subscriptions. I've used it more than a week, and got nothing about subscribing. So, perhaps I will soon, or there is a difference between the generic app and the pro. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:20 PM, James Bentley  wrote:No, I did not sign up for the subscription.You get a 3 day trial followed by two ways to pay.Weekly for I think it was $7.00, and I think $57.00 per year. I could have loads of fun with this but I want to wait until the price is lower. James B James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:56 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. I have not used it daily.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:That’s pretty cool! Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of wiljame...@gmail.comSent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there. YouI am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe the layout of the chorus and the holes to me! ChatGPTThe Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a narrow green.The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot to the elevated green.Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet picturesque test for the world's best golfers. YouTell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National. ChatGPTAmen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which features a narrow tee shot and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. Finally, the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging and picturesque parts of Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have unfolded over the years. YouDescribe the other holes to me. ChatGPTCertainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:1.Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.2.Hole 2 - Pink Dogwood: A longer par-5 with a dogleg left. Players must navigate bunkers and trees to reach the green in regulation.3.Hole 3 - Flowering Peach: A medium-length par-4 with a fairway that slopes from right to left. The green is protected by bunkers and requires an accurate approach.4.Hole 4 - Flowering Crab Apple: Another par-3, this hole features a large, undulating green guarded by deep bunkers. Accuracy is key off the tee.5.Hole 5 - Magnolia: A challenging par-4 with a narrow fairway and trees lining both sides. 

Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[Richard Turner]

Well James, I stand corrected. After the last update,  it now brings up the two subscriptions. I have now deleted the app. I will stick with Perplexity, which is still free. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:54 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, in the app description of the one I mentioned, it specifies Pro with the subscriptions. I've used it more than a week, and got nothing about subscribing. So, perhaps I will soon, or there is a difference between the generic app and the pro. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:20 PM, James Bentley  wrote:No, I did not sign up for the subscription.You get a 3 day trial followed by two ways to pay.Weekly for I think it was $7.00, and I think $57.00 per year. I could have loads of fun with this but I want to wait until the price is lower. James B James B   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:56 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. I have not used it daily.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:That’s pretty cool! Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of wiljame...@gmail.comSent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there. YouI am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe the layout of the chorus and the holes to me! ChatGPTThe Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a narrow green.The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot to the elevated green.Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet picturesque test for the world's best golfers. YouTell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National. ChatGPTAmen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which features a narrow tee shot and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. Finally, the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging and picturesque parts of Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have unfolded over the years. YouDescribe the other holes to me. ChatGPTCertainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:1.Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.2.Hole 2 - Pink

Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[Richard Turner]

I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. I have not used it daily. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:That’s pretty cool! Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of wiljame...@gmail.comSent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there. YouI am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe the layout of the chorus and the holes to me! ChatGPTThe Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a narrow green.The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot to the elevated green.Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet picturesque test for the world's best golfers. YouTell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National. ChatGPTAmen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which features a narrow tee shot and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. Finally, the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging and picturesque parts of Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have unfolded over the years. YouDescribe the other holes to me. ChatGPTCertainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:1.Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.2.Hole 2 - Pink Dogwood: A longer par-5 with a dogleg left. Players must navigate bunkers and trees to reach the green in regulation.3.Hole 3 - Flowering Peach: A medium-length par-4 with a fairway that slopes from right to left. The green is protected by bunkers and requires an accurate approach.4.Hole 4 - Flowering Crab Apple: Another par-3, this hole features a large, undulating green guarded by deep bunkers. Accuracy is key off the tee.5.Hole 5 - Magnolia: A challenging par-4 with a narrow fairway and trees lining both sides. The green is elevated and sloped, making approach shots difficult.6.Hole 6 - Juniper: A long par-3 with a deep bunker guarding the front of the green. It requires a precise tee shot to avoid trouble.7.Hole 7 - Pampas: A dogleg right par-4 with a fairway that slopes from left to right. Bunkers and trees come into play on both the tee shot and approach.8.Hole 8 - Yellow Jasmine: A shorter par-5 with a slight dogleg left. Big hitters have a chance to reach the green in two, but bunkers and a creek guard the approach.9.Hole 9 - Carolina Cherry: A challenging uphill par-4 with a narrow fairway and bunkers strategically placed along the landing area. The green is elevated and sloped, making it tough to hold approach shots.Each of these holes presents its own set of challenges, requiring strategic thinking and precise execution to navigate successfully. YouWhat about the rest of the nine holes? ChatGPTSure, let's continue with the description of the remaining holes at 

Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[Richard Turner]

One of the best I have found when using with VoiceOver on an iPhone is Chat AI 
- Ask Everything
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chat-ai-ask-everything/id6479610341

It is free, and relatively easy to use. You could ask about writing without 
asking it to write anything for you. I suggest giving it a spin and see how it 
goes. I also use another free app, Perplexity, but Perplexity has a much more 
cluttered screen. 

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Apr 12, 2024, at 11:56 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> First of all, please know that I am not trying to start anything, with the 
> questions that I am about to ask. I honestly want to understand how these 
> things can be of help to me. But, not do all of the work for me.
> 
> 
> I am curious, does anyone here use Chat GPT? Or, Microsoft Co-Pilot?
> 
> Not sure I spelled that last one correctly.
> 
> 
> If anyone here does use these Apps, or any others I might not be aware of, 
> how accessible are they?
> 
> Also, what might you use them for?
> 
> 
> I am currently attending a local community college. My goal is to hopefully 
> get my Masters degree. I am a long way off from this though, and life could 
> go in a totally different direction. I am also an older student. I don't even 
> know if I will ever have a career.
> 
> 
> Anyway, one thing I would like to use Chat GPT for, is to get help with my 
> writing. I never really learned how to write papers in high school. I feel so 
> behind in this area. I am told all the time that I need to kind of learn to 
> BS my way through stuff.
> 
> However, I am not at all good with that sort of thing.
> 
> 
> Please understand, I do not want to cheat! Or, plagiarize anything. I really 
> just want to use AI to help me with this huge struggle. I want help with 
> structure, and all that. But, I want to make the paper my own. And, make 
> changes where necessary.
> 
> 
> However, I also want to make use of these Apps, in other ways as well, if 
> this can be beneficial for me. I just don't know enough, to know what I might 
> be missing out on. I know we do have to be careful, when using any sort of 
> AI. And, we need to be smart about what we do. I just think though that all 
> of this stuff can really benefit us in a lot of ways.
> 
> 
> Thank you to anyone who has read this. Any thoughts, or advice will be very 
> much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Terri
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RE: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

[Richard Turner]

Wrong list or not, you have it correct that you would have to forward the 
message to all 5 people.

Or, create a distribution list if yu are using Outlook on a computer, or use 
ABC Groups on an iDevice.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

 

Please ignore my previous message.  

Wrong list.  

 

Janet 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Replying to An Email With An attachment Question Please.

 

Hi Everyone, 

I asked this question just some time ago, and I did get a response, but I need 
to ask this again.  

So when I reply to an email that has an attachment with it, the attachment 
doesn’t go along with the reply, is that right?  

I was told I had to instead reply by forwarding the message  in order to keep 
the attachment attached.  

So for an example I want to reply to an email with an attachment, but I want to 
reply to all 5 people who are included in the email.  

So I would have to forward the message with the attachment, and manually   
enter all 5 names, so that all 5 people will get the email with the attachment 
attached? 

I’m not sure this sounds right.  

Please if someone could give me an answer, I would really appreciate it.  

 

Thank you all. 

 

Janet  

 

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

As a developer on the App Store, myself, I can’t just do whatever I want and 
still be on the store. That is what the guidelines are for.

 

If I released an app, and offered a subscription along with a more expensive 
lifetime purchase option, should I then be allowed to turn around a couple of 
months later and tell all owners of the app that they all need to move to the 
subscription? When someone makes a purchase, that can be seen as a form of 
contract. This is obviously subject to specifics, of course, and please, by all 
means, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

 

I know that the Voice Dream situation has happened over a longer period than my 
example above, but in my example, just say that I decided after three months or 
so to begin charging everyone a subscription, regardless of whether they had 
already purchased the app. Would this be appropriate? What about if I did this 
after a month? What about six months? -or a year? What time frame is 
appropriate? Does time frame matter?

 

In any case, there is a guideline (which Grant quoted) which does seem to 
address this. So I would be curious here to see what Apple has to say on this.

 

Regardless, I hope there can be a good and appropriate outcome to this 
situation which honors the money that folks have spent and also allows the 
Voice Dream team to continue their excellent work!

 

Cheers and Happy Easter to those who celebrate! :)

 

Cara

 

 

 

 

On Mar 31, 2024, at 6:26 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

If you listen to Jonathan's podcast you will learn that after May 1st, you will 
still be able to access everything in your library. Apparentbby, you will not 
be able to add to the library. I think that fits your analogy with purchasing a 
game. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 





On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Grant Hardy mailto:grantha...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hey Richard,

 

I absolutely appreciate that the economics of maintaining an app are tricky.

 

However, Apple Developer guideline 3.1.2 clearly states:

 

If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, 
you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already 
paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game 
unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription 
model for new customers.

 

 

This is why, for example, when the Weather Gods app converted to a 
subscription, existing users (those who already paid for the app) kept the 
functionality they previously paid for.

 

In this case, it seems like all our purchases (Voice Dream Reader, any 
purchased voices, Voice Dream Scanner, etc.) are simply going to be disabled. I 
do have some concerns with that, because it seems like the quoted Apple 
Developer review guideline states that this shouldn't occur.

 

I don't have any concerns about charging a subscription for new users, or 
charging existing users for updates. But I haven't ever heard of an app that is 
disabling previously purchased functionality from working at all. Regardless of 
the PR that this generates, I'm a little unclear how this is in accordance with 
the Developer Guidelines as quoted above.

 

If it is, I am curious then if it would be reasonable to expect every app 
purchase we've made on iOS to be disabled then at some point. I'm not talking 
about apps not being developed anymore and possibly not working anymore given 
an update to iOS etc.. I am talking about code that specifically tells the app 
not to recognize your previously purchased license.

 

just some food for thought. Again, I am absolutely sympathetic to the new 
owners of Voice Dream Reader, but I don't think disabling previous purchases is 
the appropriate solution. At the moment, I'm working on transitioning my audio 
content to Downcast. Haven't decided what to do about my text content yet.

 

Thank you,

Grant Hardy

 

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 6:01 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.

It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.

 

The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.

As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it tak

RE: how can I mute a topic when it doesn't apply to me

[Richard Turner]

That is because tVIPhone does not use groups.io.  They use GoogleGroups which 
does not have that option.

So, your delete key is your friend.

It would be pretty expensive for the owner to use Groups.io because they have 
several times 100 members which is when groups.io starts charging.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 5:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how can I mute a topic when it doesn't apply to me

 

On many of the mailing lists I follow there is a link to mute topics.  I looked 
and can not find such a link in the info at the end of posts like I can on 
other lists.

 

Moderators, is this possible?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

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Re: Audio Description of the April 8 Solar Eclipse

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If you meant the radio station in Texas that is going to describe it, here is ymy note again with the link. Or if you have TuneIn Radio or any other radio streaming service,  just look for KOOP radio.Here is a direct link to KOOP.org which will bring up a play button on the screen. https://koop.org/listen-live/Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 4, 2024, at 11:10 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:Hi, I couldn’t activate the link in order to know how to get the audio description of the eclipse on the eighth.Thanks for any help.On Mar 26, 2024, at 5:13 PM, Richard Turner  wrote: Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com 



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Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

I told them that when I mentioned the different options for creating email lists. But they went with it because several people let them know it was their preferred email list  service. Again, they are doing what it takes to satisfy their customers in my opinion. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 4, 2024, at 11:11 PM, Joseph hudson  wrote:
Hi Richard, please advise them about the pricing structure because there is a limit on how many members they can have for free now.On Apr 2, 2024, at 11:53 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I communicated with Kishin Manglani and a few people had recommended groups.io so they are leaning toward setting up a list on groups.io.I hope they do that sooner rather than later.I prefer that platform because you can mute threads that have gotten off track…   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Chris ChaffinSent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 9:48 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader Hi Dennis, I was actually surprised that they came on Jonathan's podcast, and to me, that says a lot that they did.  Plus, the developer did admit that they handled things in the wrong way and actually apologized for it. I do not think the developers are use to a community that expects engagement and communication like we do.  To me, from the interview, it sounded like the developers were surprised that they did not hear from the community more often requesting features.  For example, they looked into adding the personal voice feature to the app, but since no one really requested it, they concluded that the community did not want it.  But what they should have done is posted something to the community on AppleVis / Social Media asking if anyone was interested in that feature. I know that at least one person has recommended to them that maybe they should look at starting an email list.  That way, they could use it as a way of keeping in direct touch with the community.  I personally think this is a good idea.  It would be a central place where the developers and the community could engage with each other. Like you said, the future will tell us the story. Chris On Apr 2, 2024, at 12:12 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:Chris I tend to agree with you.  Now letsbe clear they need a lesson in communication their communication skills are total shit.  You never ever under any circumstance let the user base define your changes.  You get out in front of it.  I will give them a few months to see if they  do what they say.  I may even subscribe for the year and see if they do what they say.  The interview with Jonathan Mosen they seemed liked they cared.  They did a terrible job of getting front facing and being out in front of issues. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Chris ChaffinSent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 10:36 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader Hi Grant, I agree that not being able to add more to the VDR library is not leaving the app to function the same way.  But a couple of thoughts. 1, Since the subscription model has already been added and Apple did approve it, I would conclude that Apple will not be rejecting the start of the subscription.  There is now a subscription button in settings that people are using to subscribe. 2, If for some reason Apple stops the subscription from going through as is, then I would say that there would be a good chance that VDR might disappear for good.  Without the funds to properly support the app, the developers will just stop developing it and take it out of the app store. If you think back, there has been several updates over the last year.  Whether the update is adding a new feature, updating it to work with a new iOS release,  or just finding the cause of bugs and fixing them, it all takes time, and time cost money.  I have actually been surprised that there have been so many updates. I am not happy about the subscription, but I use VDR on a daily basis, and I would also not be happy to see it go away.  there are just not any app that does all that I do with the app. Chris On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote:Hey Arnold, taking away the ability to add to the library is a fundamental change to the app, removing functionality I paid for. The app will not remain the sam

Re: latest updates from supersense

[Richard Turner]

If you bought the lifetime purchase, you should not give them another dime. 
Have you tried checking your purchase history through the app store? if it 
shows you purchased it on x date; then contact Supersense and they should be 
able to fix it. Yes the AI is nice, but it isn't worth 50 or 100 dollars. Just 
use Be My Eyes. I'm discovering that you do not always get the same results 
with either one on the same picture. So if you do not get a good description 
the first time,  do it again and you will get something slightly different. 
Good luck. 
'

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 


> On Apr 4, 2024, at 11:12 PM, Albert  wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> After your description of the December edition I launched the app and tried to
> restore my lifetime purchase no joy.
> So do I have to sign up for a new subscription.
> 
> 
> 
> ALBERT
> 
> JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2024.2403.3
> 
> MICROSOFT WINDOWS
> Operating System
> Windows 11 Home (x64) Version 23H2 (OS built 22631.3235)
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 5:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: latest updates from supersense
> 
> Because they add so little even though they keep bragging about bringing the
> most requested features to each update, which ends up being mostly minor bug
> fixes, I have to give them credit for the December 22, 2023 update where the
> AI engine seems to have been added.
> 
> I just took a picture of a painting on my wall and it did an excellent job
> describing it.
> In fact, it gave better details than Be My eyes, which shocks me to no end.
> The painting is of a mountainous scene with a tree in the foreground and an
> eagle flying over the main portion of the painting.
> 
> SuperSense got all the key details.
> 
> Be My Eyes missed the eagle entirely.
> 
> Score 1 for SuperSense.
> 
> In fact, score 2 for supersense.  I'm sending a new message comparing
> Supersense AI with Be My Eyes on another picture...
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr.
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 8:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: latest updates from supersense
> 
> I have always liked the ability to make custom labels. I use some grocery
> items that do not have barcodes available. Once I make the custom label it
> generally sticks. Only once have I lost a custom label after an app update. I
> should really begin getting more mileage out of the app. Especially since the
> latest improvements. I have always liked it especially for the barcodes.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried the scan text feature and it really works well.  When
>> you scan a document you get a summary and a description of what the document
>> is before the document itself which is really useful.
>> 
>> One thing that sets SuperSense appart in my view is its guidance when
>> scanning documents.  Telling the user that not all edges are visible is not
>> really too helpful.  SuperSense on the other hand advises you how to move
>> your device to get all the text in the camera's frame.
>> 
>> I know that we've quite rightly been critical of this app in the past, but
>> credit where it is due they've really made some improvements in recent
>> months.  Whether the price is worth paying is debatable but they deserve
>> credit for recent developments.
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
>>> On 29 Mar 2024, at 3:10?PM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi merv,
>>> Well, the AI is new.  Finally a feature that is very good.  I just tried
>>> the Barcode channel on a couple things that got excellent results.
>>> I will play with the AI for scanned text later.
>>> BTW, they already have a subscription option, so I very much doubt they
>>> will change the over priced one-time charge...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> "It's no great hono

RE: Sirius XM iOS App

[Richard Turner]

Playing while locked works just fine.

And, when you wake up the device, not necessarily unlocking it, the two finger 
double tap stops it, which didn’t work early in this new app cycle.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sirius XM iOS App

 

Thanks Chris, that was a great explanation of the screens and very useful. Do 
you know if they have enabled the ability to continue playing while the device 
is locked? 

 

Warmest regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

rick.alf...@gmail.com  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Chris Chaffin
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 11:17 AM
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Sirius XM iOS App

 

For those Sirius XM users, here are just some tips in using their iOS app.

1, there are 3 tabs at the bottom, but only 2 are important, the search tab and 
the Library tab. The Library tab is where your favorites are located. 2, On a 
lot of the main screens you will find a list of buttons at the top. Most of the 
time they are labeled, but I have found a couple of times where they were not. 
The buttons should be, in this order: All, Channels, Shows and Podcast, Artist 
and Host, Sports, and Downloads. If I find one not labeled, I just use the 2 
finger double tap and hold gesture to relabel it. 3, To add a channel to your 
Library / Favorites. Go to the search tab, and do a search. In the search 
results, double tap on the channel you want to add. On the channel screen, you 
will find a Add to Library button. Double tap it to Add. At that time the 
button will then change to Remove from Library. 4, Just like Apple Music, 
Sirius XM now has a player screen that can be maximized and minimized. You can 
only maximize it once you start playing the channel. The player screen is where 
you will find all of the options and controls for that channel. To maximize the 
player: After you start playing the channel, go back to the top of the screen. 
If you do not hear, maximize player, then just swipe left until you do. Once 
you hear maximize player, double tap it and the player screen will appear. Now 
at the top will be a minimize player button. 5, On the player screen, the 
controls you will fine will depend on the type of channel you are playing. 
Music Channels. Most music channels have different DJs hosting their own show. 
As you swipe across the player screen, it will list the current show and the 
time frame of that show. After that you will find just a time listed. If it is 
the current time, then you are listening live. But the time listed will be 
within the time frame of the show. On the Player screen, you can rewind / fast 
forward within the time frame of the show, and you can even restart the show. 
For example, I started a music channel at 9 Am. The time frame of the show was 
from 7 Am to 11 Am. The current time was listed because I was listening live. I 
then hit the restart button, and it instantly started playing the show at the 
beginning. I then checked the time on the player and it said, 7 AM. That is 
because that show started at 7, and I just went back to the beginning. If you 
go to the very bottom of the player screen you will find a view more menu 
button. In here you can set a reminder for that show, turn a sleep timer on, or 
send feedback. If you swipe left going back up the screen you will find: A go 
live button. Remember I restarted the show, but if I hit the Go Live button, it 
will instantly jump me back to what is currently playing live on that channel. 
Restart button, this restarts the show. If it is a DJ / show that you like, but 
came in on the middle of it, then you might want to restart it and listen to it 
in its entirety. Rewind, play, fastward buttons, These are your common buttons. 
When playing, the play button becomes a pause button. And you can use the 2 
finger double tap to stop / restart playing a channel. Please note: If you 
pause a channel, then restart it, then it will just continue playing where it 
left off. in order to restart it where it is currently, then you will have to 
choose the Go Live button.

Sports games and Talk Shows. With Sports Games and Talk Shows, the Playing 
screen has an additional control that I really like. Just like in Podcast, for 
Sports games and Talk Shows, it divides things up into chapters. So you can 
jump around however you like, up to what is being playing live. The only 
difference is 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hey Richard,

 

If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”

 

In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”

 

This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 

 

This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.




Grant Hardy

 

 

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 

I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"

1.   a line by which one is guided: such as

a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course

b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct

Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 


Definition (Entry 1 of 2)


1.  1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action

b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members

c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit

d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties

(2): a legal precept or doctrine

e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct

1.  2a(1): a usually valid generalization

(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times

b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION

c: a regulating principle

d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result

1.  3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION

b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control

1.  4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE

b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design

also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip

1.  as ​a ​rule

: for the most part : GENERALLY

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

Grant,

I acknowledge your right to interpret it that way.

I don’t see it like that, so perhaps we can simply agree to disagree.  I don’t 
plan to comment further on this.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hey Richard,

 

If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”

 

In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”

 

This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 

 

This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.






Grant Hardy

 

 

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 

I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"

*a line by which one is guided: such as

a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course

b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct

Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 


Definition (Entry 1 of 2)


*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action

b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members

c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit

d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties

(2): a legal precept or doctrine

e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct

*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization

(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times

b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION

c: a regulating principle

d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result

*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION

b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control

*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE

b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design

also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip

*   as ​a ​rule

: for the most part : GENERALLY

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 

I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"

*a line by which one is   guided: such as

a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course

b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct

Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 


Definition (Entry 1 of 2)


*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action

b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members

c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit

d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties

(2): a legal precept or doctrine

e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct

*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization

(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times

b: a standard of judgment :  CRITERION

c: a regulating principle

d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result

*   3a: the exercise of authority or control :   
DOMINION

b: a period during which a specified   ruler or 
government exercises control

*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring :   RULER sense 3,  
 TAPE MEASURE

b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design

also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip

*   as ​a ​rule

: for the most part :   GENERALLY

 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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Re: weather app

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Try double tapping on location list in the bottom right corner. On that next screen, double tap on the more button. Then, double tap on edit list. Now, flick right to the cities you do not want and flick up or down to delete, and double tap. Double tap on done when you are finished. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 2, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:






Hi,
 
Is there any way to keep the IPhone weather app 
from defaulting to Cupertino? In my list of cities, it shows New York, Cupertino 
and my city. I switch it to mine, and as soon as I close the app, it switches 
right back to Cupertino.
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki
 



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RE: Address for the Voice Dream email list.

[Richard Turner]

To be clear, the Voice Dream Products list was started by a user and is not 
officially a part of Voice Dream, but there are quite a few users of Voice 
Dream apps on that list.  I hope the current owners are going to start their 
own list just for Voice Dream Reader.

The address to subscribe is: 

voicedreamproducts+subscr...@groups.io 
 

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Address for the Voice Dream email list.

 

Hello all, I was not aware that there was an email list for Voice Dream 
products. Could someone send me the address to subscribe to this list many 
thanks.

 

 

 

Kerry

 

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Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

If you listen to Jonathan's podcast you will learn that after May 1st, you will still be able to access everything in your library. Apparentbby, you will not be able to add to the library. I think that fits your analogy with purchasing a game. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hey Richard,I absolutely appreciate that the economics of maintaining an app are tricky.However, Apple Developer guideline 3.1.2 clearly states:If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription model for new customers.This is why, for example, when the Weather Gods app converted to a subscription, existing users (those who already paid for the app) kept the functionality they previously paid for.In this case, it seems like all our purchases (Voice Dream Reader, any purchased voices, Voice Dream Scanner, etc.) are simply going to be disabled. I do have some concerns with that, because it seems like the quoted Apple Developer review guideline states that this shouldn't occur.I don't have any concerns about charging a subscription for new users, or charging existing users for updates. But I haven't ever heard of an app that is disabling previously purchased functionality from working at all. Regardless of the PR that this generates, I'm a little unclear how this is in accordance with the Developer Guidelines as quoted above.If it is, I am curious then if it would be reasonable to expect every app purchase we've made on iOS to be disabled then at some point. I'm not talking about apps not being developed anymore and possibly not working anymore given an update to iOS etc.. I am talking about code that specifically tells the app not to recognize your previously purchased license.just some food for thought. Again, I am absolutely sympathetic to the new owners of Voice Dream Reader, but I don't think disabling previous purchases is the appropriate solution. At the moment, I'm working on transitioning my audio content to Downcast. Haven't decided what to do about my text content yet.Thank you,Grant HardyOn Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 6:01 PM Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to provide a quality product and adding new features. The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing Changes for One-Time Purchasers.As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know what you get if you are a new subscriber. But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within the app store.The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the developer gets the rest. IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store. They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future. HTH, Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Michael IronsSent: Saturday, March

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

I agree with their communication issues.  I just wrote them and recommended 
they start their own email discussion list.  The one that currently exists that 
Alan Lemley started called Voice Dream Products still includes the apps Winston 
owns, so they need to start their own.

I hope they do sooner rather than later.

 

Take care,

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.

It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.

 

The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.

As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.

 

But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.

The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.

I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.

 

IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.

 

They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.

It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.

 

The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.

As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.

 

But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.

The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.

I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.

 

IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.

 

They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hey guys,

 

If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the 
app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider 
reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates 
any developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime 
licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the 
update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new 
deadline wasn't mentioned in the release notes. I think Apple uses these for 
internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.

 

I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the 

Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Mary. In fact, when Winston started the app, I think the price was around $2.00. Then it went to $5, then 10, then 15, then 20, and the last price was $30 and. But, people do not trust when they don't get what they want. I did a couple 5 stars reviews over the years, so I guess I'll add mine again too. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:14 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Well, I know I did a review of five star one, quite some time ago. So maybe it got buried. I have an updated it. If these people are really starting to update with crap reviews, I suppose I’ll have to go do mine too. But I think it’s ridiculous this complaining and complaining. You were not promised a perpetually free app after you paid your 10 or whatever dollars it was. In fact, if anybody has a long enough memory, you might remember when Winston himself charged for a major upgrade. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I do definitely remember having to pay for a big upgrade. And I didn’t care. It was worth it. This might be worth it too. It certainly the best app out there if you’re a big book user. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 29, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just because Voice Dream Reader is designed
 to work extremely well with Voiceover and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app
 is also extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound like the new owners
 are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us something since they choose not  to be on the Viphone list or other Apple related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on approach, let's not demand every developer has to do
 this since in fact most of them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and neither is Microsoft or even Apple.

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue


 
I’ll restate Had it been  
Winston I wouldn’t have an issue.  Why not?  Winston was honest transparent and engaged with the community.  The Applause Group  does not engage with the community at all.
 


From:
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On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue


 
Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision. 

But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 

And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing. 

 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to
 stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:
https://www.turner42.com

 


From:
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On Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue


 
This was published to his Mastodon feed.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3
 
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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Richard Turner]

IN fact, if anyone really knew the history of Voice Dream they would know 
Winston wrote it originally for himself to learn iOS programming and to have 
something to read documents to him while he drove, ran, worked out, etc.

Then, he found out how useful it could be to people with Dyslexia and began 
focusing on that community and it became one of the most popular apps in the 
education field around the world.

Then came including VoiceOver users in the app.

 

And as I have said too many times, Winston was going to change to a 
subscription model anyway but wanted the app taken care of by a team rather 
than depending on just him, so he sold it to someone who could do just that.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

 

What community are we talking about? OK, it's a rhetorical question because I 
know the blind/visually impaired community is being referred to. However, just 
because Voice Dream Reader is designed to work extremely well with Voiceover 
and has features for low vision users, it is not an app specifically made for 
blind/visually impaired users. In fact, going on the App Store and reading 
reviews, I didn't see a single review from a blind person. The app is also 
extremely useful to people with dyslexia and just anybody who wants an app 
which can read all sorts of files, books or articles to them as they are 
running, working out, driving or doing whatever. This discussion makes it sound 
like the new owners are traitors to the blind community or that they owe us 
something since they choose not  to be on the Viphone list or other Apple 
related lists. Just because Winston Chen decided to have a more hands-on 
approach, let's not demand every developer has to do this since in fact most of 
them don't. I don't think Amazon/Audible is subscribed to the Viphone list and 
neither is Microsoft or even Apple. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

 

I’ll restate Had it been  Winston I wouldn’t have an issue.  Why not?  Winston 
was honest transparent and engaged with the community.  The Applause Group  
does not engage with the community at all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

 

Dennis,

You need to get your facts straight.

The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.

Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  

But, you are spreading false information.

Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.

 

Could they have handled it differently, probably so.

 

And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

 

This was published to his Mastodon feed.

https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3

 

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RE: Voice Dream subscription plans question

[Richard Turner]

Your friend, and anyone else who wants to know more could write directly to 
supp...@voicedream.com  

Also, read their blog post concerning their plans:

https://www.voicedream.com/subscription-pricing-update/

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice Dream subscription plans question

 

Hello list,

my friend told me she checked Voice Dream app on her Iphone and there are 
several subscription plans for different prices. The highest price is more than 
100 euros and the lowest price is about 22 euros per year.

She is confused, she cannot find details about plans/subscriptions

She has previously purchased Voice Dream.

Please, does anyone know more about subscription prices?

Thanks.

Maria from Slovakia

 

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RE: latest updates from supersense

[Richard Turner]

Because they add so little even though they keep bragging about bringing the 
most requested features to each update, which ends up being mostly minor bug 
fixes, I have to give them credit for the December 22, 2023 update where the AI 
engine seems to have been added.

I just took a picture of a painting on my wall and it did an excellent job 
describing it.
In fact, it gave better details than Be My eyes, which shocks me to no end.
The painting is of a mountainous scene with a tree in the foreground and an 
eagle flying over the main portion of the painting.

SuperSense got all the key details.

Be My Eyes missed the eagle entirely.

Score 1 for SuperSense.

In fact, score 2 for supersense.  I'm sending a new message comparing 
Supersense AI with Be My Eyes on another picture...

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 8:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: latest updates from supersense

I have always liked the ability to make custom labels. I use some grocery items 
that do not have barcodes available. Once I make the custom label it generally 
sticks. Only once have I lost a custom label after an app update. I should 
really begin getting more mileage out of the app. Especially since the latest 
improvements. I have always liked it especially for the barcodes.
Merv


> On Mar 29, 2024, at 11:22 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried the scan text feature and it really works well.  When 
> you scan a document you get a summary and a description of what the document 
> is before the document itself which is really useful.
> 
> One thing that sets SuperSense appart in my view is its guidance when 
> scanning documents.  Telling the user that not all edges are visible is not 
> really too helpful.  SuperSense on the other hand advises you how to move 
> your device to get all the text in the camera’s frame.
> 
> I know that we’ve quite rightly been critical of this app in the past, but 
> credit where it is due they’ve really made some improvements in recent 
> months.  Whether the price is worth paying is debatable but they deserve 
> credit for recent developments.
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2024, at 3:10 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi merv,
>> Well, the AI is new.  Finally a feature that is very good.  I just tried the 
>> Barcode channel on a couple things that got excellent results.
>> I will play with the AI for scanned text later.  
>> BTW, they already have a subscription option, so I very much doubt they will 
>> change the over priced one-time charge...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 7:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: latest updates from supersense
>> 
>> I was playing with the AI last night and this morning. While I have not used 
>> this app much recently so I honestly do not remember if it always had AI in 
>> the title as it does now, the feature that allows the individual to scan a 
>> barcode, then ask questions based on the description works pretty well.
>> I would still like to see a few more improvements. As long as they don’t 
>> change to an annual subscription for those of us who purchased the lifetime 
>> subscription.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2024, at 10:18 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>>> enjoy these wonderful updates lol
>>> 
>>> Hello, We've received many requests from our users and are responding to 
>>> them with the feature updates in the highest demand. We're thrilled to 
>>> announce the most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) Minor bug fixes 
>>> about translate language screen More exciting news and features are on the 
>>> way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the 
>>> best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Superse

RE: latest updates from supersense

[Richard Turner]

Hi merv,
Well, the AI is new.  Finally a feature that is very good.  I just tried the 
Barcode channel on a couple things that got excellent results.
I will play with the AI for scanned text later.  
BTW, they already have a subscription option, so I very much doubt they will 
change the over priced one-time charge...




Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 7:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: latest updates from supersense

I was playing with the AI last night and this morning. While I have not used 
this app much recently so I honestly do not remember if it always had AI in the 
title as it does now, the feature that allows the individual to scan a barcode, 
then ask questions based on the description works pretty well.
I would still like to see a few more improvements. As long as they don’t change 
to an annual subscription for those of us who purchased the lifetime 
subscription.
Merv


> On Mar 28, 2024, at 10:18 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> enjoy these wonderful updates lol 
> 
> Hello, We've received many requests from our users and are responding to them 
> with the feature updates in the highest demand. We're thrilled to announce 
> the most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) Minor bug fixes about 
> translate language screen More exciting news and features are on the way! As 
> always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the best 
> solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by sending your 
> thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense Team
> 
> 
> Dennis Long
> Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max
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RE: voicedream scanner

[Richard Turner]

Voice Dream Scanner, VDScan, is still owned by Winston Chen.

So, it is not a part of this discussion about Voice Dream Reader.

However, if you are talking about the scanner built into Voice Dream Reader, 
you need to ask supp...@voicedream.com  

But the stand-alone app is still owned by Winston under his new company named 
Opusnoma.

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: voicedream scanner

 

Hi all.  So, does this mean that we can no longer use VDSCAN? Just wondering.

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Richard Turner]

Do you have a link to that thread?

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

 

richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said 
existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription 
for ew users only"  

 

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max





On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Dennis,

You need to get your facts straight.

The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.

Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  

But, you are spreading false information.

Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.

 

Could they have handled it differently, probably so.

 

And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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This was published to his Mastodon feed.

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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Richard Turner]

Dennis,

You need to get your facts straight.

The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.

Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  

But, you are spreading false information.

Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.

 

Could they have handled it differently, probably so.

 

And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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This was published to his Mastodon feed.

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Live Audio Description of the April 8 Solar Eclipse

[Richard Turner]

A note from the Audio Description Project mailing list:

 

We will be doing live AD of the solar eclipse from 1:30-2:00 pm Central time
from our view in Austin TX. You can listen in Austin at Koop community radio
91.7 FM or online streaming anywhere at Koop.org.

 

April Sullivan & Celia Hughes 

Audio Describers and hosts of the Art Spark TX Radio Hour 

 

* If you are interested in what Audio Description resources are available
through the ACB Audio Description Project, their web site is:

https://www.acb.org/adp/

 

If you want to join the list to receive updates about audio description, you
can sign up on this web site;

https://acblists.org/g/ADP-List/join

 

Richard

"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you." 

-- Wolfgang Von Goethe

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com/

 

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