Re: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

BlindShell do some most basic phones as well as  real-button feature phones.
haven't got their url, but easy to search for.

Those are the ones I adopted.  Not flip mind, candibar;  but plenty good.

Can't imagine a 3-button phone at all,  Guess that is a U.s thing.

RobH, UK.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Samco" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 3:27 AM
Subject: Recommendations for a very simple cell phone


In my work at a California independent living center a consumer asked me for
cell phone suggestions. She is totally blind with no one regularly available
to assist her with using the phone. I'm just not up on this category of
phones as I personally use an iPhone with VoiceOver. Here are her wishes:

1. Will only use it occasionally.
2. Prefers a flip phone
3. Fairly tactile buttons, raised & larger buttons would be best;
having audio confirmation when a button is pressed would be wonderful.
4. If there are menus, she would prefer a simple way of getting out of
them; there was a previous phone she used that she could never figure out
how to close or back out of the menus.
5. She won't be texting, doesn't need a phone number or contact list,
never will use the internet, etc.

I mentioned the simple 3-button Jitter Bug phone to her and that might be
her best solution, although she would like to not have a monthly plan.



So, any suggestions on meeting such a tall order for simplicity in a cell
phone?

Thanks,

Jeff

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Re: off topic: Blind shell phone

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Hi, I have these, I liked them from the start.

www.blindshell.com is their site I think, worth checking.

they have 3 main button models;  plus  one they call the "Boroque" I think, 
hwich implements  the BS on a touch screen.  Tapping on 
virtual number buttons repeatedly to get letter is bit of a nonsense.

But the 3 button versions are good.
The original is a little smaller and would  be regarded as a feature phone 
maybe,  the Classic 2 is a bit chunkier and a more robust 
and spaced number pad which feels a lot better and does have some app options 
like you'd expect on current smartt phone.  I opted 
for fB Messenger and whatsapp.

Browser has a good range of navigation options and so easy to toggle on the 
number keys, then up/down buttons to move by that 
increment.  default/headings/controls, links/words/landmarks. then top of page, 
continuous read,  bottom of page.
The last 3 set things too.  bak/title/help.
Adopted this as casual browser when pc not on.

The third model is the light, priced accordingly  though no idea how much, but 
is just a phone with basic phone features, all of 
which at least talk - dial/sms/contacts mainly,  but just dial has 3 lists or 
sources of number to dial.
Thay all have the SOS button on back and hot dial by pres-and-hold on the 10 
digit buttons.

I'm very happy with this model and decommissioned an iPhone for the simm out 
ofit.
Micro-simm, not nano.

Worth checkin on site about the Light sicne it might have  
clock/timer/alarm/stopwatch and the like.

Hth, RobH.


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Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 5:07 PM
Subject: off topic: Blind shell phone


Hi all.  I know this is a little off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has
any information about the blind shell phone.  I know of someone who is
looking for one for her dad who is not able to manage an iphone.  If you'd
like you can write me off list at pau...@roadrunner.com
<mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com> .  Thanks very much.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Re: WhatsApp not Connecting Although Internet Is Available

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They got a big DNS issue.
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From: "Fazil" 
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Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 8:51 PM
Subject: WhatsApp not Connecting Although Internet Is Available


Hi, Group.

I have iPhone8 with iOS15.1.

I have internet but WhatsApp is not working. When I go to WhatsApp, it says
connecting.

Siri and Alexa are working just fine.

I have powered off the phone a couple of times and restarted WhatsApp
several times but it is still not connecting.

What else should I try?

Thanks!



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Dictation?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Is there an issue with the servers for Dictation processing?  mine hasn't 
worked all day on anyof my devices.
Can browse and get mail, so not a connection issue.

But thisis so fundamental for getting messages done fairly quickly.

Thanks, RobH.

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Re: purchasing iPhone 13

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O.T:  why didn't they call it the X3, I can imagine a few of the supersticious 
getting suspicious of it as it is.

Just saying. The numbering business is getting boring now.

- Original Message - 
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Subject: purchasing iPhone 13


Hi, just curious on thoughts would you upgrade from a SE2020 to a iPhone 13?
Why or why not?

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Re: Dolphin Easyreader not opening

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Could be a wifi glitch, though it wouldn't say so.

RobH, uses DGC which has the reader as part of that.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ian Harrison" 
To: "'Harry Bell' via VIPhone" ; "'Tim Kilburn' via 
MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:16 AM
Subject: Dolphin Easyreader not opening


Hi All, is anyone else using this app having the same problem? Today I tried to 
open the app and all it says is loading. I’ve tried 
deleting the app and redownloading with no effect.

Any suggestions gratefully received
Ian

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Re: adapter for USB keyboard and iPhone

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Think it would help if this keyboard was battery/self-powered.  The phone will 
nottt support a full keyboard running off it.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 6:05 PM
Subject: adapter for USB keyboard and iPhone


Hello

I just heard about an adapter that allows you to use your USB keyboard to
write on the iPhone. The little nub for a wireless keyboard would plug into
the adapter and the other end would plug in where the charger plugs in.
Would this work on an SE2020? I'd prefer using my regular keyboard to using
the bluetooth keyboard.



   Deidre

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Re: 1 3 word app

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Spelling would be critical, but since a computer is involved, the result  would 
be accurate or so wildlyinaccurate as  to be clear 
enough not to take seriously.
The other aspect is how good gps signal was when the code/location was set.  
That would be outside the scope of the sender to deal 
with, or have any control over.

But even a location within 100yds would be of some benefit.

RobH.
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Subject: Re: 1 3 word app


Mountain Rescue in the UK has been complaining that this app gives them quite 
inaccurate locations when lost walkers use it to call 
for help. Unclear whether this is due to errors in spelling or pronunciation or 
what!
Harry

> On 3 Jun 2021, at 14:27, Richard Turner  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> I have not used the app, What Three Words on its own for a long time.  
> BlindSquare incorporated it into its orientation app but I 
> just read an article about how it is now using Apple Maps.  Here is the link 
> to that article.
> What3Words app now uses Apple Maps on iPhone - 9to5Mac
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Borg
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 1 3 word app
>
> Hi
>
> Does anybody use the navigation 1 3 word app ?  if so, can you explain to me 
> more fully what settings I should do before I start 
> using it please?
> Thanks in advance
>
> Anthony
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Re: Looking Up for a Word On the Fly On Internet?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I use an echo/a-lady and just ask.  She don't always get it  it right, but 
often enough to be useful;  or utterly useless of course.

I had to resort back to a Franklin Language-Master on enough occasions too.

See, worth keeping someof this old gear too.

RobH.
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Subject: Looking Up for a Word On the Fly On Internet?


Hi, Group.

How can I use dictionary on the internet if I find an unfamiliar word in an
article on my iPhone8, please?

Thanks!

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Re: At My Wits End With The Native Mail App On IOS 14.4.1

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I can partly explain a part of this phenomenon:

The mail app is open, it is still recieving messages as you work.  You interact 
with item 12.  When you go back,  8 more have come 
in, so nowyou are at 4 in the list you left and 12 in the fuller list.  I would 
call it a dynamic process however damnably 
irritating.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Lange" 
To: "vi-phone list" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 4:32 AM
Subject: At My Wits End With The Native Mail App On IOS 14.4.1


Hi,
Excuse me while I vent, as I’ve become increasingly frustrated with the native 
IOS mail app.  I’ve been using iPhones since the 
iphone 4  came along in 2010 or 2011, and I’ve used Mail with my GMail account, 
which has been around since 2007.
Over the years there have always been focus issues in message lists, and when 
ovening message threads for the first time I will 
rarely land on message 1. Then, when opening a message in the thread and using 
the Messages item in the  rotor to move to the next 
message, I may get bounced back to a message that’s way earlier in the thread 
than the one that I intended to move to. For example, 
let’s say I’m on message 50 of 120 in the thread. I use Messages in the  rotor 
and select Next Message. In this example, I might get 
bounced back to Message 21.
These are just a couple of situations that are frustrating me like crazy.
I could try the GMail app or Outlook for Ios, but I like the native mail app 
for the most part and am realy surprised that Apple 
hasn’t managed to make the damn thing behave.
Surely I’m not the only one who’s having focus issues such as I’ve described 
above.

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Re: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Good point and don't know,  big enough and good enough for 1 or two.  There's 
two of us here and she can cook enough for both of us 
in it;  but I like it for  doing my own meals at the single level.
Had some very wide sliced toast in the bottom earlier.  I use it to melt the 
cheese safely and still keep the toast crisp. MW could 
do cheese and reduce toast to a mush.
Ok, pan is about 7.5" diam and 4" deep if that helps.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer


Hi Rob,
Sounds like a nice unit.
What is the capacity of the drawer?



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer

May I make a parallel and completely OP suggestion?

I was told of, found and so bought, a Tower air fryer, most basic like the 
cheap microwaves with two mechanical rotory dials.
They're a doddle to use and getting on famously with ours.  Think we paid £45 
in the UK, cousin found it and paid slightly more but 
still less than £50.  There is really no real need for all this smart stuff to 
cook by.

RobH.

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Subject: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer


Hello everyone,



Today we received our new Cosori air fryer and I am having some trouble
getting it connected with the VESYNC app so that I can start it from my
iPhone or one of our Echo devices. Would someone on the list who has this
air fryer be kind enough to assist me with getting this set up? I just need
to know how to put it into discovery mode so that the app can see it. I
think once the app finds it then I will be able to get it all set up.



Thank you,



Scott

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Re: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

May I make a parallel and completely OP suggestion?

I was told of, found and so bought, a Tower air fryer, most basic like the 
cheap microwaves with two mechanical rotory dials. 
They're a doddle to use and getting on famously with ours.  Think we paid £45 
in the UK, cousin found it and paid slightly more but 
still less than £50.  There is really no real need for all this smart stuff to 
cook by.

RobH.

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Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 5:07 PM
Subject: Cosori 5.8qt smart air fryer


Hello everyone,



Today we received our new Cosori air fryer and I am having some trouble
getting it connected with the VESYNC app so that I can start it from my
iPhone or one of our Echo devices. Would someone on the list who has this
air fryer be kind enough to assist me with getting this set up? I just need
to know how to put it into discovery mode so that the app can see it. I
think once the app finds it then I will be able to get it all set up.



Thank you,



Scott

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Re: an accessible driving game

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Wow!...   back in the 80s, I did one for DOS called "Cabby".  Finding way round 
map was one thing, making a profit atit was 
something else.

RobH, fond memories.

:Moon Lander was fun too;  burn time  to decelerate enough to land gently; no 
idea who did all the maths for it.  That Splat! 
landing had a great sound effect.  Good for DOS at least.

RobH, more fond memories.

- Original Message - 
From: "CJ & AA MAY" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: an accessible driving game


Below I am posting part of an e-mail about an accessible driving game. I found 
it a little fiddly initially to set up but it 
promises to be great fun:



Subject: A driving game!



Below is a link to a fantastic driving game.

this is a fun and great audio game and it is so so immersive, you absolutely 
feel you are in that car!are not left out of the loop, 
it is a game where the storyline is built on the fact that you are driving 
blind with a blindfold on, and is played purely using 
your ears. It has a good bit of dark humour in it and great fun when you crash  
 , with messages like perhaps you’d have better luck 
on the lawnmower!



https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/blind-drive/id964294239



Alison









From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: 15 March 2021 03:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID



It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,



We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,



It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,



It’s like the saying,

Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,





May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,



Plus we only have 5 million population,

And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,



It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,



But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.



May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys

Have treated this globle situation,





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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Marco Curralejo
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I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, 
the list owner should really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an 
idiotic post to even get on to the list.



That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.



Marco



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Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
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A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
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Re: Masks & Face ID

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

BTW:  a medic insurance plan could take a dim view of paying if 
claimant/patient didn't use basic  protections and precautions.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID


A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by
April so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



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>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5
>> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your
>> phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will
>>> allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those
>>> who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can
>>> set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with
>>> more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces
>>> for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one
>>> of you would have done it.  I’m just curious though since it would make
>>> sense to allow more than one face just as it does to allow more than one
>>> finger.
>>>
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Re: Masks & Face ID

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is OT, but mostly gone isn't gone enough and protection needed until you 
are fully vaccinated.

The legal requirement is to protect others from you as much as you from others.

R.
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Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID


A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by
April so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



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>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5
>> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your
>> phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will
>>> allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those
>>> who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can
>>> set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with
>>> more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces
>>> for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one
>>> of you would have done it.  I’m just curious though since it would make
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Re: Accessible tone generator app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Love that tag!

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: Accessible tone generator app?


Smart Metronome has a tuning function that plays a tone but you only get half 
step adjustments, like A then B-flat, etc.
How fine of an adjustment are you wanting?



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



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Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:36 AM
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Subject: Accessible tone generator app?

Does anyone know of an accessible tone generator app where the frequency of the 
generated tone can be finely adjusted?

Thanks.

Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Need Tips on How to Use an iPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Key thing likely to be menu/option bar down left side and main body of info in 
a square panel from right edge inwards.  This assumes 
landscape, though not sure it doesn't try to do same even in portrait.
i.e:  email:  list of msgs down left and current focus msg in main panel from 
the right, sorry!
Browser:  prev tags down left and main page content in main panel to right. 
Settings:  main menu down left and lower levels you are 
navigating in square panel;   things like that.
Mine is an old one and it might have changed or been refined  since then.
- Original Message - 
From: "dani pagador" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 9:43 AM
Subject: Need Tips on How to Use an iPad


Hi, Guys.
I bought my Mom a new iPad for Christmas. It came in last week, and I
need to get a quick tutorial on how to use one, since I'll be helping
her with updates and such as she needs these to happen.

My main problem is understanding how things are laid out on the
screen. I've got an iPhone SE, and think eight or so of those could
fit on the iPad screen. Is the layout of information different since
there's tons more space? Also, where is the keypad when you have to
pair something, say, a Braille display, with the iPad?

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: 2020, so long and thanks for all the viruses!

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

o...@hny.nz

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon A Fogarty" 
To: ; ; 
; ; 

Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 5:58 AM
Subject: 2020, so long and thanks for all the viruses!


Well Ladies and gentlemans of multiple lists,

I hope your xmas has gone well and you're having fun learning about your new 
toys if you haven't broken them already.

So it's 6:55pm  new years eve here in New Zealand,
5 and a bit hours until the world flips over to another year.

So I highly suggest people start early and go carefully,
Or you may wind up face down in a gutter with puke on your face,

Have a great new years eve don't drive if you've been drinking,
And to quote Sir Ed Hillary,
Lets knock the bastard off!

SF


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Re: App to automatically call for help?

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There are fairly cheap generic phones that have the recessed sos button on 
hwich might be a more reliable solution.  Blind-Shell 
Classic is one, but sure Doro do cheaper ones for the sake of getting a sighted 
setup on it first.

A SOS app would need to have a button on the lock screen to be any real use.

JMO, RobH.

- Original Message - 
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To: "viPhone list" 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 5:04 PM
Subject: App to automatically call for help?


A friend who lives alone is looking for an app to use in case of
falling, or needing help.  Is there an app that would put her in
contact with non-emergency help?

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Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?

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All  keyboards have, had, should have   a small tactile mark on F and J as 
position markers.  This was the case since the year 
Dot,  so stopping it  now could reasonably be construed as discriminatory.

RobH.


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To: 
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Subject: Re: Recommendation for An Apple Compatible Bluetooth Keyboard?


How do you locate which keys your fingers are on - i used to see enough to just 
make out letters but now on my magic keyboard 
everything looks like a blank sheet of paper and i get lost
thanks
harry

> On 19 Nov 2020, at 22:09, Holly  wrote:
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> 
> Apple Magic Blue Tooth keyboard.  I love mine.
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Re: Transferring ringtones from windows7 computer to iPhone

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Related question:  can you extract an .mp3 mail attachment to use as a ring 
tone?  This would be so much easier.

Tia, RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "'Simon Wong' via VIPhone" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Transferring ringtones from windows7 computer to iPhone


Thanks for the information about walter2 I am in Canada, I don’t think I’ll be 
using that really often, someone also suggested to me 
to use the Apple iTunes store to get ringtones. Is that easy to use and 
accessible?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:30 AM, 'Kliph' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
>
> Its normally 40 USD, but on sale right now for 23
>
>
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 5:54 PM, 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I looked up the walter 2 program, and was  trying to double tap on the buy 
>> link to find  out how much it cost, and no matter how 
>> many times I double tap on that link the phone doesn’t do anything.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since iTunes 11 or 12, you have to use iTunes to copy Ringtones from the 
>>> computer to the iPhone.
>>> So, you may want to talk with either or both Apple Accessibility or 
>>> Microsoft Accessibility.
>>> Apple: 877-204-3930
>>> Microsoft: 800-936-5900
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the 
>>> cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once 
>>> regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>>
>>> Live long and prosper 🖖
>>>
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 2:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Computer Information Sharing Group 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Transferring ringtones from windows7 computer to iPhone
>>>
>>> Hi everyone! Hope everyone is going to have a nice start to this week, but 
>>> I was wondering how can I transfer ringtones from my 
>>> computer to the iPhone? When I had iTunes on the computer for some reason 
>>> the latest version crashes and sendeS me back to the 
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Call About Icloud Hack

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I just had one telling me my Amazon Prime account had been renewed for $79.99, 
press 1 to cancel, 2 for anything else.  I hung up 
too and got her to check Amazon while I checked bank accounts.

Another scam to watch out for.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vivian Conger" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:10 AM
Subject: Call About Icloud Hack


I just received a call stating that my iCloud account had been hacked and
for me to not use it and to press 1 to speak to Apple support.



I didn't do anything but hang up.  Just wanted folks to know that spammers
are at it again.  Please be careful.



Vivian and Sallie



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Re: What am I doing wrong

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

That can be very cost effective if you order anythring like as much as we do.
Getting rid of so much cheap cardboard is the next big issue.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Harry Bell' via VIPhone" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong


I found it so hard to not be charged for delivery despite my best efforts tgat 
I gave in and started paying for Amazon prime - which 
their system seems designed to push us to do
Harry in uk

> On 25 Oct 2020, at 21:01, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
> That is interesting, I have never had a shipping charge applied to an order 
> where it should not have been there. I don't know how 
> often pweople order off Amazon, but I have 1 subscription order going and 
> probably place maybe 10 to 20 orders a year, but then 
> again I do have a prime membership.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong
>
> Amazon's web site is known to be a problem when it comes to getting charged 
> for shipping when you should not.
> If you believe you should have received free shipping, but it shows a charge, 
> call their accessibility customer service:
>
> (888) 283-1678
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the 
> cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once 
> regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2020, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> If you are not a prime member, I believe the cost is $35 and up for
> free shipping.  Good luck.
>
> On 10/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>
> You get charged for shipping if the product comes from other manufacturers
> or if you're not a prime member.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
>
> Every time I buy something from Amazon I don't change the checked box for
> free shipping, yet I get charged for shipping.
>
> Sorry if this is off topic.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
> nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
>
> On 10/25/2020 9:07 AM, Esther wrote:
> hey, Joshua, I am a speaker nut! I sent away for that Amazon speaker you
> told us about. Supposedly, I will get it tomorrow. I can't wait! Thanks
> for this information. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
> Here you go.  This link from amazon will take you direct to the
> speaker.  The price is $57 and it is totally worth every penny.
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FTribit-Bluetooth-Speaker-Portable-Waterproof%2Fdp%2FB0784ZQFHZ%2Fref%3Dsxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0%3Fcv_ct_cx%3Dtribit%2Bstormbox%2Bspeaker%26dchild%3D1%26keywords%3Dtribit%2Bstormbox%2Bspeaker%26pd_rd_i%3DB0784ZQFHZ%26pd_rd_r%3Ddb404f53-9e5e-4e32-a673-98e5e1c3a944%26pd_rd_w%3DWUjKh%26pd_rd_wg%3DTutAz%26pf_rd_p%3Dd8781cb2-590e-4599-9299-188f35162ede%26pf_rd_r%3D8TYQ6Q298MXX4QY19CTX%26psc%3D1%26qid%3D1603595344%26sr%3D1-1-791c2399-d602-4248-afbb-8a79de2d236f&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd7ecf89dee794cdf542108d8791db2af%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637392515736653243%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=s0BW39b9Z%2B63mTjhWCr%2Bngny%2BIzvHAaiP0oSswrARWY%3D&reserved=0
>
> On 10/24/20, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
> Hi
> Where do you get these kind of speakers?
> Becky
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Marty Hutchings
> 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks,  I had spelled Tribit wrong.  I have since found it and you
> are
> right, it is a very impressive speaker.
>
>
>
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with
> William
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound
> and
> fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
> -Original Message- From: Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
> The speaker is the tribit stormbox speaker.  It is a very nice
> speaker.
>
> On 9/19/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I searched for Tribet speakers and got this link:
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tribitaudio.com%2F

Re: Home Pod Mini

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I had a different cheaper common variation.
I do not subscribe to any of the paid services.  I can stream music throughit,  
but find it more use answering questions,  quite 
good at maths,  reasonable at spelling and basic definitions, though can also 
be very obtuse when in a mood.
There are podcasts out there for it,  it does streamed radio of course,  has 
timer features one can sometimes connect to activities, 
like put radio on at a time, or off after a time,  things like that.
I get my penneth out of mine.  Home Pod pricing could make it a moot point.

RobH, glad to contribute something for a change.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cris Ali" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 3:41 AM
Subject: Home Pod Mini


Hi folks,
I have never owned a smart speaker. For this reason, excuse my question. It may 
sound naïve to many of you. If one wants to get the 
Home Pod Mini, or any other smart speaker for that matter, but this person does 
not want to subscribe to any music streaming 
service, what would be the benefits of owning such a smart speaker? I 
understand that one can use it to airplay YouTube music or 
radio stations via the iPhone Bluetooth connection. Apart from that, what one 
can use the speaker as a standalone besides SIRI or 
Alexa? Is it worth for someone who has no intention to spend money on streaming 
services to buy a smart speaker like the Home Pod 
Mini? Apple mentioned that the home pod will be accessible via voice over. I do 
not know if this means it will be controlled via the 
voice over of the iPhone, or does it have voice over built into it. Does anyone 
know?
Regards,

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com

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Re: the time keeps being spoken whilst reading podcasts

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I'd flick to the right or something to try move VO focus. or touch some other 
partof the screen.  Have similar with a tuner I use.
- Original Message - 
From: "CJ & AA MAY" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 8:37 AM
Subject: RE: the time keeps being spoken whilst reading podcasts


This has been going on since the last upgrade of IOS, or maybe even the one 
before, but it is really irritating. Sometimes I get 
round this by triple tapping with three fingers and turning off voice-over. But 
there are podcasts which I want to fast-forward so 
need to keep the speech.

Does anyone else have any tips on how to stop the time being spoken whilst 
listening to podcasts?

Alison

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Re: Low Vision phones

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Blind-Shell classic might have been the mobile,  like Nokia in style with real 
buttons.  Screen set to bright large images where 
useful, but it talks anyway.

Hth, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew J. LaPointe" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 11:35 AM
Subject: Low Vision phones



Hi, a friend just asked me for suggestions for a large type phone for her
Mother who is loosing her vision.  She would like a mobile and a landline
phone.  Can someone suggest something with good quality?  I have seen some
posts in the past but, can't remember what the discussions were.  Thanks so
much. Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home: 978-745-4289 cell: 978-578-0185

Editor, Commission Commuter Update and the Safe Disabled Traveler Notebook
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Re: Standing ring

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I'd need a much higher desk to stand at, like 1m or kitchen counter-top at 
least.  Maybe a box shelf to put kb and mouse on?

I keep thinking I could do with standing to the job.

But,  has anyone else checked out those Okaido stools?

They are a simple stool, bit higher than chair so alters arm positions before 
you start.
But base is domed, so it rolls around in 2d where a rocking chair only rocks 
back and fro  in 1d.  You do get a lot of body movement 
and keep flexible in the doing.

Quite popular, quite expensive for what they are.

RobH, just saying.
- Original Message - 
From: "Traci Duncan" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:22 PM
Subject: Standing ring


I don’t know how many of you joined the standing desk club, but do you notice 
standing at your desk does not necessarily count 
towards your stand hours? Lol, I was surprised and annoyed at this.

Apparently, I need to find a pattern of walking away from my desk, or maybe 
swing my arm more while standing at it.

*Shrugs,
Traci

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Re: difference between start and end

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I think 1finger double tap used to take you to start and end of input 
sequencially.
End will be past the sig, so worth doing to be sure you're at the start before 
the sig before writing or dictating.
This shows up in email here.

Hth, RobH.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 6:32 AM
Subject: difference between start and end


please could someone tell me the difference between starting a message at the 
beginning or starting a text message at end.  one more 
thing what is the scroll bar for please?  Janet

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Re: Declining incoming calls.

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Click power button, or it used to be.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shirley Baker" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2020 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Declining incoming calls.


You do a two-finger double tap to answer and end the call. Declining a call is 
totally different.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 2:12 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I tried that, and it answered. I didn't know it, but my friend told me. Good 
> thing I say nice things about her. I was out walking 
> with my husband when she called. I just did two-finger double tap, and, of 
> course, as I said, it answered her call, but I dnd't.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
> I just do a 2 finger double tap.
>
>> On 7/4/20, ליאל בן סימון  wrote:
>> Hi,in order to dicline the incoming calls you press on the power
>> button twice.
>>
>> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי
>>
>>> ‫ב-4 ביולי 2020, בשעה 17:56, ‏‏Carolyn ‏<4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> With an iPhone, I find Remind me Later, for the closest thing to
>>> declining an incoming call. What I want to know is what to do to
>>> decline an incoming call.
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Re: Question About the New Classic Shell Phone

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It is connected to one free online service, but not the one you said afaik.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shirley Baker" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:11 AM
Subject: Question About the New Classic Shell Phone


Does anyone know just out of curiosity, if you can play books from Audible.com 
or Bard using this particular phone? Not that I’m 
going to get one but was wondering. I have decided to get the SE 20 phone on 
Black Friday from Verizon. In  fact, spoke to a lady 
Thursday who used to be a Verizon rep and we were talking about the different 
phone stores so I have decided to stay with Verizon, 
and by the way she told me Verizon does not lock phones should you decide to go 
with another company.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Changing my email for these lists.

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Hello all,

Can someone please chime in and give me instructions how to do this? Thank you 
so much in advance.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: 3 little words?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, thanks both.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: 3 little words?


Yes, Blind Square incorporates What Three Words, which you can toggle on or off.
It replaces the coordinates with three words like banana.milk.oil separated by 
periods.
For anyone who wants to check it out but does not own Blind Square, the Blind 
Square Events app is fully functional in 9 countries I 
think and is free through November due to the Coronavirus.
Just search the app store for blind square events.
And, no, the stand alone app for What Three Words is not very useful by itself.


Richard
Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Jun 2, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Bill Outman  wrote:

I believe Blind Square has that feature within it. I am not sure if the stand 
alone service is accessible. Come to think of it, I 
think it’s called What Three Words.
The system is supposed to divide the world into squares by latitude and 
longitude without using the numerical coordinates.
Bill Outman


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2020, at 3:54 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
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Anything further on a navigation app,  only guessing "3 little words" was in 
the title, but that was the basis of the app,  the use
of 3 almost random reference words.

Anything more about this would be appreciated,  I remember it impressed me last 
year.

RobH, trying to work out how they did it.

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3 little words?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Anything further on a navigation app,  only guessing "3 little words" was in 
the title, but that was the basis of the app,  the use 
of 3 almost random reference words.

Anything more about this would be appreciated,  I remember it impressed me last 
year.

RobH, trying to work out how they did it. 

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Re: New Simm cards

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Did originator say how old the old phone was?

all the modern ones take the Nano simm,  oldish ones took the Micro simm and 
doubt anyone - anyone else at least - still has a mini 
simm in use.
Modern supplied new simms  come out of a credit card size plastic and each size 
punches out of the one before, we do that  with the 
UK's gifgaf service.

Adopting a new simm to existing number is doable though with assistance or tech 
centre maybe.
We've done this over the years as new devices demanded ever smaller simm forms.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:21 AM
Subject: RE: New Simm cards


He should be able to reuse the old one.



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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 1:59 PM
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Subject: New Simm cards



I know there was discussion about this earlier but, at the time It was not 
something I was interested in or had a need for. Now, my 
son-in-law is planning to upgrade his old IPhone 6 to the new SE. Can he use 
the card from the old phone or does he have to have a 
new one?

Sorry for re-asking.

Marie

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Re: GPS Apps for hiking?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I have an old one here called Ariadne GPS  which allows you to set Poi's and 
then it gives you distance and compass bearing - clock 
face directions to the chosen poi.
Still seems quite reliable,  don't know why I didn't use it more or lately 
since I walk water courses as much as public highways.
Think it good for on-water as well as off-road.  Sailing/canoeing is popular 
too.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 11:46 PM
Subject: GPS Apps for hiking?


Hi foks,

Is there a good GPS  app for hiking?  I have apps for on the road but as I’m 
doing more off road hiking they are not helpful.

What are people using for hiking navigation and GPS info?

Thank you,

Eric Caron

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Re: Any app that makes sounds every second?

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A metronome would if slowed down to that beat.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: Any app that makes sounds every second?


What, you mean like a clock?

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Subject: Any app that makes sounds every second?

Hello all.   Is there any built in utility in iPhone or any app that indicates 
the passing of seconds?   There used to be a radio 
station on short wave which used to chime every second in an ounce time every 
15 minutes



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Re: Question re IPad Mini5

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Forgive me if wrong, but thought it only applied to landscape mode, not 
portrait.
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From: "Marie" 
To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 7:16 PM
Subject: Question re IPad Mini5


I would love to get an IPad Mini5 for the longer battery life and the better 
speakers. But I really hate the split screen within 
apps. I know it is probably not possible but is there any way to disable this 
feature altogether?
Marie

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Re: Locked out of Mac mini main screen

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I had this recently, and it had the good grace to offer a clue...   a clue one 
sets at the outset...  and it still took ages to work 
it out, but did in the end.

Setting cryptic clues is almost no clue at all.

RobH.

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Subject: Locked out of Mac mini main screen




Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors. Hi 
everyone,
My husband has a Mac mini that he has not used for about four years. He is 
trying to get back into it and does not remember his 
password. Is there anything he can do to get back into this computer?
Thanks very much! I hope you all are well.
Nancy

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Re: introduction

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Sure, ask away, that indeed is what we/they're here/there for.

RobH, Confusing himself.
- Original Message - 
From: "Afik Souffir" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:58 AM
Subject: introduction




Hello



My name is Afik from Israel, 21 years old blind since birth.



I have iphone 8 and apple watch 4.



Can I ask questions about apple watch here?



Thanks,



Afik



Note: if you would like to message me privatlly feel free to do so



 <mailto:afik.souf...@gmail.com> afik.souf...@gmail.com







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Re: IPhone without camera

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The blind-shell classic can be put in a simple limited mode which does 
eliminate camera access.
But it remains talking and fully accessible.

Finding a phone literally without a camera would be a tall call.

RobH.
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:17 AM
Subject: IPhone without camera


Good evening,



I am reaching out to all  you wonderful people on this list to ask if there
are any iPhones that can be purchased without cameras?  If not are there any
cell phone without cameras and they can be simple or feature phones they do
not have to be a smart phone?



Thank you all in advance!



Regards,

Charles

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Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?

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Ok, many thanks for this,  this is one I could and maybe would buy.  Quite a 
change since I was getting so disillusioned with fruit 
in general and Apples in particular.
Don't know if Blackberry still exists but Apricot and Acorn have long 
disappeared.  Even Raspberry has gone quiet.
Not sure if the other lot are still into desserts.

So,  SE++ would do it for me I reckon.

Thanks, RobH.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Thoughts on iPhone9?


And you forgot 98SE, ME (Millenium
Edition which was between 98SE and XP and Vista which came between 7 and 8. Oh, 
and there was of course also 8.1.

But of course that has little to do with the iPhone which nobody knows what 
Apple will call it, SE 2 or 9 or something entirely 
different, but somehow I actually think iPhone 9 is the least likely.
As far as the phone itself it will probably a winner just as the SE was, it 
will have the same size and screen size as the iPhone 8 
but with most likely the latest A13 chip, but still with Touch Id and a camera 
system probably better than that of the 8, maybe that 
of the XR. And it will of course be a budget phone at least according to Apple 
standards.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ari 
Moisio
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:36 AM
To: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?

Hello

On  the other hand Microsoft has made Windows 3, 95, 98, 2000, Xt, 7, 8 and 10 
iirc in this order.




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  'RobH.' via VIPhone kirjoitti
> Subject: Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:50:54
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Now this is a surprise, they've done iPhone x and even 11 now;  so presumed 9 
> had been left behind a couple of years back.
> Going back to it hardly seemed likely,  so if such a beast exists?...
>
> Tia, RobH.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dennis Long" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 6:01 AM
> Subject: Thoughts on iPhone9?
>
>
> What are people's thought on the iPhone 9?
>
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Re: Thoughts on iPhone9?

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Now this is a surprise, they've done iPhone x and even 11 now;  so presumed 9 
had been left behind a couple of years back.
Going back to it hardly seemed likely,  so if such a beast exists?...

Tia, RobH.

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What are people's thought on the iPhone 9?

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard

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Gawd!  I remember those huge heavy IBM keyboards fondly, though mine expired a 
while ago now.  Couldn't find a 5-pin DIN adapter to 
use it by.

robH, has to dash.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard


Sieghard,



I'm interested in the Logitech G613 Lightspeed Wireless mechanical gaming 
keyboard and Amazon is selling it currently for USD $69.99 
which seems a good price. I'll confess that I'm a big fan of old-school 
keyboards which have distinctive mechanical click feedback 
when pressing the keys and I'm still using an old IBM PC AT keyboard that I 
snagged from the trash where I used to work. This 
keyboard is a tank and was obviously over-spec'ed but I offer this up so you'll 
know the type of keyboard I'm used to using.



I know you commented on the switches of this Logitech not being as nice as the 
other expensive keyboard you mentioned but I'm 
curious as to your opinion of its mechanical click feedback. I welcome any 
additional comments you could share about it before I 
order one.



Thanks in advance.



Alan Lemly



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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 1:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard



If you want a big full-size keyboard for both computer and iPhone I highly 
recommend the Logitech G613 Lightspeed Wireless 
mechanical gaming keyboard.

It has no backlighting, it uses a USB dongle for connectivity to the PC which 
has a 1 millisecond latency and you can pair it to 
your phone via Bluetooth which is also super responsive. Switching is done via 
a slider switch and it’s virtually instant.

I use this keyboard as my main office keyboard, it is big and heavy and not 
something you would want to travel with and my only 
complaint is that it uses these Japanese switches called Roma-G, I wish it used 
Cherry MX Blue switches which I have on my wired 
keyboards from the company “Das Keyboard”, I have the model called Professional 
4 and they are amazing, but also expensive.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard



Seeing as I've spent a small fortune in search of a satisfactory keyboard, I 
thought I ought to pipe up here. I have a smaller 
keyboard from Microsoft called the Microsoft Universal Mobile keyboard. It's 
compact and fairly rugged with a plastic rubber coated 
lid which doubles as a stand. You need to type in a code when pairing but once 
that's done, there's realy no lag. I don't know if 
it's still available for sale so you might have to chase that one with Ebay or 
something.



The keyboard I'm typing on now is cheeper because it's a 60% mechanical 
keyboard from Keymove. They've made quite a splash in 
mechanical keyboard circles recently. I got mine for $50 Canadian on Amazon. 
You can choose the switch type you want. I like red 
linear switches. Other types have extra audible clicks and add more feel to 
typing. It only has 61 keys and you don't get multimedia 
controls. You do get an actual physical on/off switch on the bottom. The key 
for slash and question mark is tucked in the corner 
formed by the bottom and right arrows which takes time to get used to. There's 
no way that I've discovered to easly turn off the rgb 
lighting. You don't have to enter a number code when you pair it. The 
advantages are that it uses Bluetooth4 and reports the status 
of your battery to the battery widget in the Today view of your iOS device. 
Nice to be able to check the battery level. There's 
absolutely zero lag to contend with and the board doesn't feel cramped. It is 
somewhat noisy to type on so I only use it at home.



I've just backed a Keychron K6 mechanical keyboard on Kickstarter. It has 
physical switches to change between wired, Bluetooth and 
off as well as one to switch between devices. It uses Bluetooth 3 but given the 
stellar reviews of their prior keyboards, I don't 
expect much lag. I went with red optical switches which should help deal with 
any lag if I'm wrong. This keyboard will also give me 
multimedia functions despite being a 65% keyboard. I'll also have home and end 
keys.



Another keyboard I've tried was from Anker. It's quiet and compact. It also has 
multimedia keys. Doesn't report its battery level 
and unfortunately suffers from a smigion of lag. Just enough to be quite 
annoying at times. Otherwise, it's a really nice design for 
a travelling keyboard.



Earlier, I backed a keyboard from Hexgears called the X1. Again, wonderful 
build quality and a pleasure to type on but absolutely 
horrid Bluetooth connectivity. I use it on my computer now bu

Re: Seeking Software For Creating iPhone Ring Tones

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

iTunes used to convert .mp3 to .something-else for this purpose, but no idea 
what happened to that.  They're still trying to hamper 
what you put on your device if you didn't buy or rent it off them.

RobH.


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Subject: Seeking Software For Creating iPhone Ring Tones


Hi,



Does anyone know of any good accessible software that can be used to create 
ring tones for the iPhone?  Any suggestions would be 
greatly appreciated.



Regards.

James.

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Re: Two email addresses on the same iPhone?

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Agreed, I'm just used to manual or when I open the mail app to take a look. 
That is when I need to see them all and it doesn't do 
much to battery really when like that.

Thanks, RobH.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Two email addresses on the same iPhone?


Just keep in mind that the more you have the more battery your iPhone uses 
especially if you have Push enabled.
If you set up more than 2 I suggest it is better to set the checking for new 
mail to an hourly schedule or manual.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two email addresses on the same iPhone?

Yes, you can have as many email accounts as you want.
I have 5.
You set them up under Settings, Passwords and Accounts, and you will find each 
account is available in the mail app separately, or 
you can choose all mail if you want to look at them all in one place, which I 
do not like, but to each his/her own.
HTH,



Richard
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thanks,
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Re: Changing My Email Address for the viPhone Group

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We seem to be on emails lately, so if you have another address, send a 
subscription email from that, then once confirmed, send an 
unsubscribe message from current address.

That's how I do such things.

RobH, managing to answer questions at last.


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Subject: Changing My Email Address for the viPhone Group


Hi All,

What is the best way to change my email address for this group?  I don't
have a place to go to do it myself, so would y'all please tell me the best
way to do this?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

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Re: Two email addresses on the same iPhone?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Settings/mail-something and whatnot accounts;  I have 4 or more of different 
services  and check them all.

RobH.

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Subject: Two email addresses on the same iPhone?


I activated my student's gmail account on her iPhone.  she has
another account that she would also like to use on her phone.  Can
she do this?  I couldn't get back to the page to add a second
account.  Am I missing something?

thanks,
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Re: Another way to dictate text

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I have used that short sections at a time method for a while, but still can't 
do much good with punctuating it.  UK uses different 
terms for a start, and then as oft as not, it will spell out comma or full stop 
or whatever, leaving a big editing issue.
There are times when a real keyboard helps no end.
Even a Nokia-style phone pad one could get used to,...   again.  Working 
something that inefficient is not that inefficient if one 
can do it reliably.

I've still not found a dedicated bluetooth brl keyboard without buy a full note 
taker costing $k's.

Help with verbalising punctuation would be a great help.

Tia, RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Duane Steele" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Another way to dictate text


Holly, thanks for the affirmative response.  When I choose to use dictation, I 
always reread my messages.  I only use it when I 
don't have my braille device handy and I'm too lazy to go get it, or when I'm 
not up for writing using MBraille.  I'll admit that 
it's handy sometimes, especially if you're in a hurry.  Siri's best only for 
very short texts.  Dictation within APPS is much more 
efficient, and that two-finger double-tap is so convenient.  Siri's best for 
getting local temperature or checking sports scores. 
Naturally that's just my own personal opinion.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Holly  wrote:
>
> Wayne:
>
> I almost always use the dictation feature in the message app.  As you say, it 
> is much more reliable than Siri and you can go back 
> and edit the text. if you make a mistake using  Siri, you can tell her to 
> change it but you have to start from scratch.  You can't 
> just change a word or two.
>
> So, unless I am just sending a short one or two word text, Siri is on the 
> back burner.
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Re: About managing your own website

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

cPanel is one of the more common and so far workable management interfaces so 
far.
Not sure about doing uploads and things though, I occasionally still do FTP, on 
an old PC even.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 4:45 PM
Subject: About managing your own website


Hello all.

I wonder if any one on the list uses iphone to upload and manage content  on 
their website?
Let me put in another question. What platform would be the most accessible 
using Jaws or voiceover for managing websites. Does 
anyone have opinions about Bluehost? If it is not good enough, what other 
provider would be better for a moderately active website?


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iOS Apps that Recognise Vocal Pitch

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Talking Tuner would do that too.
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Subject: iOS Apps that Recognise Vocal Pitch


Hi All



Are there any iOS apps that recognise the pitch of a note that you are
singing that work with Voice Over.



Thanks

Debbie

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usb connection on iPad?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

hi,

interested in what can successfully be connected to iDevice, iPad in 
particular,  via usb lead.

Pen drives/memory sticks would be first  choice,
but also wondered if I'd seen reference to taking a usb keyboard.  I have a 
nearly full size one here,  full layout, slightly 
smaller footprint.
I found usb socket and presumed it was a rechargeable, but found battery 
compartment too;  so thought it could power itself and thus 
not drain host tablet.

I would prefer this route for swapping accessories between devices as needed.

Thanks.  robH.

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Re: Turning On Voiceover on MacBook Air

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Command-F7 if I remember right.
Command is what the rest called the Windows key.  But Mac's are laid out 
different, so might be where we kept the alt key.

RobH, struggling to remember.
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Subject: Turning On Voiceover on MacBook Air


Hi, list.

I have just ordered a MacBook Air and it would be here next week.

I have never used Apple laptop before so I would like to know how to turn on
Voiceover independently and other basic voiceover commands to start with.

Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks!



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Re: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I use this too, though not by any means perfect.   I can repeat the same note 
and it give a different answer every time.  If I get 
it to say the same thing 2 or 3 times, I conclude it must then be right.
That, and the time lag while it ponders makes for a fairly frustrating 
experience, but it's a good start.
Good for  string changes and getting close enough before  using something else 
which usually means taking hands off instrument being 
tuned.
Tuning fork, or quality tone generator you have to prod for the tone. Tune one 
primary string that way and the rest to that so 
instrument is tuned to itself at least.

Yes, can't do that with a harp.

RobH, agrees it's good, but not perfect.

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: accessible tuning apps that can be used to help tune a piano


I use Talking Tuner to tune my 44 string harp.  It will tell you whether a note 
is sharp or flat, and how far off it is.



Karen P



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cory Jackson
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Hi,

I know apps like this exist. Are any of them accessible?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Cory

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Re: keyboards?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, thanks for that.
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Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: keyboards?


If you get Apple's USB to Lightning camera cable you can plug any USB keyboard 
into an iPhone.
Of course I find pairing a Bluetooth keyboard to an iPhone is very easy and 
it's very robust, e.g. I have had my Logitech K780 
paired to my iPhone 8 from just after I got my iPhone a year ago and any time I 
press FN + F2 which switches it from my PC to my 
iPhone it's just there, it never seems to unpair or fail.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: keyboards?

Are there hardware keyboards that plug into the same socket as the charging 
lead, forgot what that is called now.  But an hw 
keyboard on a lead I can plug into any of the devices without all this BT 
pairing mode business.

Thanks, RobH.

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Re: Responding to a text with a phone call

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

On my phone, I open the list showing the text in question,   at the top of the 
screen is a contact button, and tapping that offers 
you all the contact things including call.
There is also  Done button to back out of there and when you're done.

Hth.

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Subject: Responding to a text with a phone call


Hello,

I’ve done this once before but it must have been dumb luck since I can’t seem 
to find the call button to reply to a text message.

Can anyone tell me where it is?

Thank you,

Kim

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keyboards?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Are there hardware keyboards that plug into the same socket as the charging 
lead, forgot what that is called now.  But an hw 
keyboard on a lead I can plug into any of the devices without all this BT 
pairing mode business.

Thanks, RobH. 

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Re: accessible measuring app?

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Fascinating, hate to think of the possible price.

robH.
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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


The below came from the Vision Aware site of AFB.
The Click Rule

The Click Rule is a metal tubular device slightly longer than 7 1/2 inches. A 
7-inch threaded rod is inserted into the tube. A 
knurled locking knob is screwed into the top of the threaded rod through a long 
slot that has been machined into the tube.

[closeup of someone using the Click Rule to measure a board]

The Click Rule

As the threaded rod is extended into and out of the tube, a clicking sound can 
be heard at 1/16-inch intervals. The threaded rod has 
raised threads every 1/2 inch.

The metal tube has two flat rectangular stops or fences mounted on it. One stop 
or fence is located precisely at the open end of the 
tube and the raised thread rod protrudes through it. The other stop or fence is 
positioned exactly six inches along the tube from 
the stop at the open end of the tube.

The Click Rule comes with three 12-inch extension rods that screw into the end 
of the Click Rule raised thread rod and into each 
other, enabling accurate measurements at 1/16-inch intervals, from zero to four 
feet. Additional extension rods can enable 
measurements beyond four feet.

[The Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod in place]

Click Rule with a one-foot extension rod

The Click Rule can be purchased from the National Federation of the Blind 
Online 
Store<http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/default.asp> and from Community 
Advocates Inc., P.O. Box 83304, Lincoln, NE 68501-3304; 
402-486-3091.



Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 19, 2019, at 4:57 PM, David Andrews  wrote:

The NFB used to sell them -- don't know if they still do.

Dave

At 06:25 PM 9/19/2019, you wrote:
Max,

I haven't been able to find anywhere I can purchase a click ruler.
I have a 25ft "braille" steel tape, but it only has markings every 6
inches which is not really accurate enough for my work, and I haven't
found any sources for something more accurate.

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Re: accessible measuring app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I endorse tape king, the only one of these I did any good with.  But still went 
back to the old tried and trusted.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Agent086b" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: accessible measuring app?


Hi,
I have Two talking tapes. I have the Cobolt from the UK that I no longer use. 
The One I like is  the Tape King. It is accurate to 
1mm if I remember correctly about the same as the Clickruel. It is also a level.
Max.

> On 20 Sep 2019, at 8:30 am, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> If you are wanting accurate measuring do not rely on an app.
> The click ruler is your best bet.
> Which talking tape is that you have Max?
> How accurate can you get with it?
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am a woodworker and have not found a useful App for your purpose. There is 
>> a measure App on the iPhone I have never been able 
>> to use it reliably. I use a Click Rule or a talking tape.
>> Max.
>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2019, at 2:52 am, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am looking for a n accessible app to enable me to take measurements
>>> for some home wood working projects I am interested in doing.
>>>
>>> I would rather not shell out $100.00+ for a talking tape measure, so I
>>> was wondering if there is an app that will get the job done.
>>>
>>> I know there is the measure app and tape measure app but neither seems
>>> to be accesible.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Donald
>>>
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Re: accessible measuring app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I prefer a standard locking steel tape measure and not have phone floating 
about the work bench. I'm DIY of the old school.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Raikes" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 5:52 PM
Subject: accessible measuring app?


Hello,

I am looking for a n accessible app to enable me to take measurements
for some home wood working projects I am interested in doing.

I would rather not shell out $100.00+ for a talking tape measure, so I
was wondering if there is an app that will get the job done.

I know there is the measure app and tape measure app but neither seems
to be accesible.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Donald

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Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I can see U.T.G.T.I being another of the accessibility nightmares, again.

I have trouble enough getting the bus to read my pass.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: ; "lenron brown" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 
5 Mac


According to the article below, Apple may be ditching face ID in order
to get rid of the notch. The article does say that you may get both for
a while, but if Apple is serious about going to a flat slab of
uninterrupted glass, and they can't figure out under the screen face ID,
then that's when you might see face ID going away to be replaced by the
under the glass touch ID.



On 9/10/19 10:42 AM, lenron brown wrote:
> Face id isn't going anywhere, I don't get it what's wrong with having
> both if possible.
>
> On 9/10/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> These are just guesses and conjecture at this point and in my opinion there
>> is little point in engaging in them until we actually find out more
>> regarding this in-screen or under-screen Touch Id feature and if and when it
>> might be coming. Sure, Apple has introduced and abandoned features before,
>> 3D touch seems to be one of them, but I somehow doubt that Face Id is going
>> away considering that it is being used more and more everywhere and also
>> because Apple still seems to care about accessibility and there are
>> certainly people who can't use Touch Id because maybe they don't have hands
>> or arms etc.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ed
>> Worrell
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:01 AM
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9
>> to 5 Mac
>>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> I agree with the author of the article. I hope they don’t ax the FaceID
>> functions. I have found FaceID to be much more reliable then TouchID ever
>> was. Granted there are some minor trade offs with FaceID vs TouchID. At the
>> payment terminal TouchID can be a little quicker as you and I have discussed
>> off list. In everyday use I find the FaceID function to be much quicker and
>> much more friendly to use. There were many times with TouchID it simply
>> would not recognize my finger print and it would kick me to the keypad
>> anyway. This then defeated the purpose of TouchID to me… Maybe I’m the odd
>> man out here but I love FaceID and it’s simplicity.
>>
>> Just my thoughts on the FaceID vs TouchID argument.
>>
>> Ed W.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to
>>> re-introduce Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new
>>> model, I found the following article interesting.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>> In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead By Ben
>>> Lovejoy
>>>
>>> In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next
>>> year, according to a new report today. But while the current report
>>> suggests that both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that
>>> may not remain the case for long.
>>>
>>> The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began
>>> when Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched
>>> without the fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S
>>> in 2013.
>>>
>>> With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was
>>> the future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster,
>>> easier, and more secure than Touch ID.
>>> Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our
>>> most sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the
>>> Secure Enclave and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial
>>> authentication ever in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use.
>>>
>>> Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more
>>> secure than Touch ID.
>>> Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of
>>> two separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for
>>> Touch ID.
>>> The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single,
>>> enrolled finger.
>>>
>>> The probability that a random person in the population co

Re: hearing numbers punched, when listening to prompts.

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is one of the best reasons some of us still, even now,  require and get a 
phone with real keys.  The alternative could  be one 
of the tactile or brailled screen protectors with dots in the right place.

As you describe, and having 2 hearing aids which don't help any in this case, 
why I can't and don't deal with those on an iPhone.
Phone banking?   come back Nokia, all, almost all, is forgiven.

RobH, still has one.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:13 AM
Subject: hearing numbers punched, when listening to prompts.


On my iPhone SE, for example, the other day, when I got a
call for confirmation of a medical appointment, I could
hardly hear the one and when I pressed it for the talking on
the tape, which would have started again, if I had not
punched something - same thing with pharmacy and other
situations, where a digit or digits have to be pressed,
while announcements are in progress. Is there any way I can
enhance the sound of the touch pad?

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn
If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,
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Re: Phone Scam

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This is where the whole process is getting out of hand.  Some of those attached 
bills/invoices are scams in their own right.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Holly" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Phone Scam


Chuck:

Many doctors offices will use a robot call system to remind you of upcoming 
appointments, and also when a prescription is ready at 
the pharmacy.  Not every robotic call is a scam, neither are all attachments.

I get many invoices from companies I deal with attached to an email.

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Re: tile question

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Aah, Ok, thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Malver" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: tile question


Tiles are products you connect to valuables, which you can then track through 
an app on your iPhone. You could connect the tile to 
your keys, four instance, and if you lost your key ring, you could use the app 
to figure out where the tile was


> On Sep 9, 2019, at 2:18 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, think I missed somehting important.  Could you summarise the concept 
> under discussion here please?
>
> Thanks, RobH.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 11:53 PM
> Subject: RE: tile question
>
>
> I don’t have answers to your questions, but anybody who is considering buying 
> Tiles may want to wait a couple of days since it is
> rumoured Apple will release something called Apple Tags which are essentially 
> the same thing as Tiles, but they are fully 
> integrated
> into iOS and the Apple eco-system hence probably provide better 
> functionality, I assume will be accessible to use and of course
> maybe they will be more expensive coming from Apple. But it’s certainly worth 
> keeping an eye on if you are into this sort of 
> stuff.
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Re: tile question

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Sorry, think I missed somehting important.  Could you summarise the concept 
under discussion here please?

Thanks, RobH.


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From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: tile question


I don’t have answers to your questions, but anybody who is considering buying 
Tiles may want to wait a couple of days since it is 
rumoured Apple will release something called Apple Tags which are essentially 
the same thing as Tiles, but they are fully integrated 
into iOS and the Apple eco-system hence probably provide better functionality, 
I assume will be accessible to use and of course 
maybe they will be more expensive coming from Apple. But it’s certainly worth 
keeping an eye on if you are into this sort of stuff.

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Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

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Aah, cellular range would be its greatest limitation. I'd overlooked that.  
Pity. Sat-phones not in the general public's price range 
I reckon.

RobH.
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: What 3words, The app that can save your life


You may not always be at an address, e.g. what if you are in the middle of a 
large urban park which is hundreds or thousands of 
acres in size or maybe not even in an urban park, but out and about on a 
wilderness hike etc. Of course this system totally relies 
on you having cell phone coverage which where I live is not at all a given, in 
this case something like a Garmin Inreach is still 
the only and best option to get out an emergency signal if something serious 
happens and you need search and rescue to come get you. 
Inreach is satellite based and works anywhere and it sends your long/lat 
coordinates which still works just as good.
They say What3Words has split the world into I think it was 3 by 3 meter 
squares which is approx.. 10 by 10 feet, so even an average 
6,000 square foot residential property will have 60 What3Word addresses and a 
1,000 square foot house or apartment will have 10, 
your bedroom could have 2 depending on its size..

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Jones
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

 It is indeed a very interesting concept. However, I am not 100% certain that I 
follow its logic. Or perhaps what I mean to say is 
“follow the point “. Why complicate things by having to remember words or use 
words to find an address when using an address is the 
best way for someone to find  you in most cases? The address system currently 
being used has been tried and true for what seems like 
forever. Am I also missing something?


On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 9:52 AM 
mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I must be missing something here.  What is the problem with giving first 
responders your address?  No problem with them only getting 
close.  This is an interesting concept but until I hear that 9 1 1 is using it, 
I'll not risk giving them the 3 words & have the 
dispatcher not know what I am talking about.  Also, isn't it true that 9 1 1 
dispatch can get your location if you are using a cell 
phone with location on?

Sherry  Wells

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Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Water, rail, and motorway emergencies defy the post code system entirely.  W3W 
has it covered. Air-sea would benefit too.  I don't 
think all the possibilities have been realised yet.

RobH.
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Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life


You don’t tend, to have post codes, if you are lost in the middle of nowhere.

Dave.


From: Dave Jones
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

It is indeed a very interesting concept. However, I am not 100% certain that I 
follow its logic. Or perhaps what I mean to say is 
“follow the point “. Why complicate things by having to remember words or use 
words to find an address when using an address is the 
best way for someone to find  you in most cases? The address system currently 
being used has been tried and true for what seems like 
forever. Am I also missing something?


On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 9:52 AM  wrote:

  I must be missing something here.  What is the problem with giving first 
responders your address?  No problem with them only 
getting close.  This is an interesting concept but until I hear that 9 1 1 is 
using it, I'll not risk giving them the 3 words & have 
the dispatcher not know what I am talking about.  Also, isn't it true that 9 1 
1 dispatch can get your location if you are using a 
cell phone with location on?

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Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

The number of elements in a street address far exceed 3! It is the simplicity 
and universality of it that is the great step forward.

JMO, RobH.
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life


It is indeed a very interesting concept. However, I am not 100% certain
that I follow its logic. Or perhaps what I mean to say is “follow the point
“. Why complicate things by having to remember words or use words to find
an address when using an address is the best way for someone to find  you
in most cases? The address system currently being used has been tried and
true for what seems like forever. Am I also missing something?


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> I must be missing something here.  What is the problem with giving first
> responders your address?  No problem with them only getting close.  This is
> an interesting concept but until I hear that 9 1 1 is using it, I'll not
> risk giving them the 3 words & have the dispatcher not know what I am
> talking about.  Also, isn't it true that 9 1 1 dispatch can get your
> location if you are using a cell phone with location on?
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Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

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Well done, I think we've nearly cracked it now.  Glad to have a reason for 
faith init, since it is such a good idea.

robH, happier now.

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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:34 AM
Subject: RE: What 3words, The app that can save your life


I have been playing with this and I don’t think the words change.

GPS on the phone is not entirely accurate. I can tell this better on my Android 
phone than on my Iphone. But basically, my location 
is varying slightly even when I don’t move because of the changing accuracy of 
GPS. I think if I go to an outside location it will 
be more consistent. But what I find is that old words still get me here. So 
although my words appear to change, the original words 
still yield close to my location. Just like with GPS sometimes it puts me next 
door and sometimes here. So I think any words it 
gives you will get someone close. And I think if you’re outdoors it will be 
closer. So I’m going to declare my words the ones in 
front of my house even if in my room they’re different and also more changing.

On the web site they talk about putting your words on your web site or on a 
sign. And if this is the address system for some place, 
then they numbers do in fact have to be static. Everything I reads indicate 
they are static, so I think it’s the accuracy of GPS.

It’s hard for us because when you put your address in, they still want you to 
pick a square which we can’t do.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 8:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life



So what happens if you give a first responder those three words, and by the 
time the person looks them up, the words change?



On 8/16/2019 8:04 PM, Cris Ali wrote:

By the way, the three words for any particular address are not perminent. They 
change quite frequently. For this reason, before you 
give a three words address to any one, one has to check the three words at the 
time they need to determine their exact location. For 
example, if the three words address to your backyard now is cat.dog.bird, after 
half an hour the words could become, car.shop.mouse. 
This is what I noticed, so please correct me if you have a different experience.



Regards



Cris



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Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

All nations could adopt it,  notwithstanding having to select a wide range of 
their own words to use on it. Good for air-sea rescue 
too.

I'm hazzarding a guess that the codes it's getting off the gps satellites is 
throwing up the words, but the relative positions of 
those are changing moment by moment as they pass across the sky. It takes 3 to 
triangulate.

RobH, still thinking.
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 3:19 AM
Subject: RE: What 3words, The app that can save your life


This makes no sense to me, if as they said Mongolia is adopting this system for 
postal codes then how can this work if the words are 
changing.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What 3words, The app that can save your life

I was curious about that myself. My three words changed at least five times 
even though I never moved an inch. I wouldn’t know which 
three words to give and how they would find me if the words kept changing.
Merv


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Conger
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What 3words, The app that can save your life

That’s what I found out too.  Last night the 3 words were trendy, melt, and 
rent and tonight they were closer, dart and like.

I’d love to know how the police would know exactly where you are if the words 
keep changing.

Vivian and Sallie


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

By the way, the three words for any particular address are not perminent. They 
change quite frequently. For this reason, before you 
give a three words address to any one, one has to check the three words at the 
time they need to determine their exact location. For 
example, if the three words address to your backyard now is cat.dog.bird, after 
half an hour the words could become, car.shop.mouse. 
This is what I noticed, so please correct me if you have a different experience.

Regards

Cris


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On Aug 16, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Vivian Conger 
mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also installed it and found out what 3 words are for my house.  I will see if 
my police department has it and uses it.

I didn’t notice the duplicate English USA but if it was there, I just selected 
the first one I came to.

Vivian and Sallie


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Hi Robin,

I installed it and it seems to be accessible to some degree, but there are 
buttons that are not described and I'm not sure what they 
do.  Also when choosing your language English United States is there twice and 
it's not clear which one you're supposed to select. 
This is not the only language that has double choices.  No, I haven't used it, 
per say, I'll try it if I get lost between my 
man-cave and the bedroom!  LOL  LOL

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that 
somebody screwed up.
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Have you used it? Is it accessible? I’ll have a look now for fun.
Robin

From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 8:18 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Howdy y'all,

I came across this and thought it was worth sharing.  This app is in the App 
Store.

From: Allan

What3words: The app that can save your life

By Duncan Leatherdale
BBC News

Firefighter at fire with what3words grid showing location nameImage copyright 
What3words
Image caption
What3words divides the world into 57 trillion squares, each with a unique 
three-word address

Police have urged everyone to download a smartphone app they say has already 
saved several lives. What is it and how does it work?

Kicked. Converged. Soccer.

These three randomly chosen words saved Jess Tinsley and her friends after they 
got lost in a forest on a dark, wet night.

They had planned a five-mile circular stroll through the 4,900 acre (2,000 
hectare) woodland Hamsterley Forest, in County Durham, on 
Sunday evening, but after three hours they were hopelessly lost.

"We were in a field and had no idea where w

Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is fascinating, and now begs the question - how does it work?

This could get serious if you give a code for rescue and it takes them more 
than half an hour to get there.

RobH, thinking about this.
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From: "Cris Ali" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life


By the way, the three words for any particular address are not perminent. They 
change quite frequently. For this reason, before you 
give a three words address to any one, one has to check the three words at the 
time they need to determine their exact location. For 
example, if the three words address to your backyard now is cat.dog.bird, after 
half an hour the words could become, car.shop.mouse. 
This is what I noticed, so please correct me if you have a different experience.

Regards

Cris


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Vivian Conger 
mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I also installed it and found out what 3 words are for my house.  I will see if 
my police department has it and uses it.

I didn’t notice the duplicate English USA but if it was there, I just selected 
the first one I came to.

Vivian and Sallie


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Hi Robin,

I installed it and it seems to be accessible to some degree, but there are 
buttons that are not described and I'm not sure what they 
do.  Also when choosing your language English United States is there twice and 
it's not clear which one you're supposed to select. 
This is not the only language that has double choices.  No, I haven't used it, 
per say, I'll try it if I get lost between my 
man-cave and the bedroom!  LOL  LOL

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that 
somebody screwed up.
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From: Robin Frost<mailto:robin...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Have you used it? Is it accessible? I’ll have a look now for fun.
Robin

From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 8:18 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: What 3words, The app that can save your life

Howdy y'all,

I came across this and thought it was worth sharing.  This app is in the App 
Store.

From: Allan

What3words: The app that can save your life

By Duncan Leatherdale
BBC News

Firefighter at fire with what3words grid showing location nameImage copyright 
What3words
Image caption
What3words divides the world into 57 trillion squares, each with a unique 
three-word address

Police have urged everyone to download a smartphone app they say has already 
saved several lives. What is it and how does it work?

Kicked. Converged. Soccer.

These three randomly chosen words saved Jess Tinsley and her friends after they 
got lost in a forest on a dark, wet night.

They had planned a five-mile circular stroll through the 4,900 acre (2,000 
hectare) woodland Hamsterley Forest, in County Durham, on 
Sunday evening, but after three hours they were hopelessly lost.

"We were in a field and had no idea where we were," the 24-year-old care worker 
from Newton Aycliffe said.

"It was absolutely horrendous. I was joking about it and trying to laugh 
because I knew if I didn't laugh I would cry."

Picture of Jess Tinsley and her Jess and her friend in forestImage copyright 
Jess Tinsley
Image caption
Jess Tinsley dialled 999 after getting lost - and was told to download an app 
to her smartphone

At 22:30 BST they found a spot with phone signal and dialled 999.

"One of the first things the call-handler told us to do was download the 
what3words app," Ms Tinsley said.

"I had never heard of it."

Within a minute of its download, the police said they knew where the group was 
and the soaked and freezing walkers were swiftly 
found by the Teesdale and Weardale Search and Mountain Rescue Team.

Hamsterley Forest
Image caption
Hamsterley Forest covers a large area of County Durham

"I have told everyone I know to download this app," Ms Tinsley said.

"You never know when you are going to get lost and need it."

What3words essentially points to a very specific location.

Its developers divided the world into 57 trillion squares, each measuring 3m by 
3m (10ft by 10ft) and each having a unique, randomly 
assigned three-word address.

For example, the door of 10 Downing Street is slurs.this.shark, while the area 
across the road where the press congregate is 
stage.pushy.nuns.

It was born out of company fo

Re: Retinitis Pigmentosa group?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Facebook groups,  have to search, but know one exists.
- Original Message - 
From: "karuna Chopra" 
To: "ViPhone" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:35 PM
Subject: Retinitis Pigmentosa group?


I know that this post is off topic. It’s not related to the iPhone. Apologies!
I am desperately trying to find a Google group for person suffering from 
Retinitis Pigmentosa. I just can’t seem to find any. If 
anyone knows of any such group kindly help me.
Group for person suffering from Retinal dystrophies will also do fine.
Thank you very much!

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iOs mailers

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

hi, looking for iOs mailers with more options of how to handle content left on 
server.  Accounts originally setup as POP3 and the 
messages are backing up on the server to an unwieldly amount.

Suggest best setting within the one we have in case we missed the obvious.

Many thanks, RobH.

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Re: Converting an email into a text message

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I've never found this kind of facility on my iOs devices, and presumed getting 
the text out of the native mailer was the issue under 
scrutiny.

My inclination would be like - reply,  scroll into existing content and use 
edit rotor to mark and copy, then suspend that and move 
to msg app, and use paste.  If pasted content is too big, it'll split it into 
several msgs.  You can go back to mailer to cancel the 
reply or forward or whatever you used to get into an edit field of the content.

I can and do this in Windows and iOs.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone" 
To: "viPhone 📩" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Converting an email into a text message


John,

I have no idea which e-mail client you are using; but even so, all such 
programs I’ve ever used provide a “Save As” option in the 
FILE Menus.

In fact, I’m using the native Mac-OS e-mail client to read your message and 
opened the menu, selected FILE and arrowed down to the 
“Save As” option.  A dialog appears and one of the controls is a Pop-Up to let 
you choose the format of the saved file.

as I said above, all e-mail clients I’ve ever used (Windows, Unix, Mac-OS) 
provide this option.



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “Dear Optimist, Pecimist and Realist”
- “While you were arguing over whether the glass was half full or half empty, I 
drank it.”
- Signed, The Opportunist



On Jul 2, 2019, at 4:31 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:

Good morning: I want to copy the contents of an email and send it as a text to 
someone. Can't seem to figure out how to do that. 
When I hit the edit button, nothing happens.
Thank you.


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Re: Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

To think I had a 3GS and loved it, took some getting used to, but loved it.  
How time flies, I was at work then, been retired what 
seems like ages now.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 3:28 AM
Subject: RE: Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone


You did, of course Apple won't do that and it was meant as a joke.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone

I'm not sure how I feel about getting a discount from Apple just for using 
Voiceover. Yes, it would be nice to knock a little off 
the price. However, by using VoiceOver or other accessibility tools, we are 
able to use the same devices the general public can use. 
But, with the discount, it seems as though we are saying, "No, we're special, 
we need this discount to set ourselves apart from the 
rest." Doesn't that go against the grain of the empowerment and message of 
equal access?
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong.

Jmt,
Wayne

On 6/21/19, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> A very welcome gesture indeed! If Apple would give us the disabled a
> 10% discount on products, I’d get myself the iPod Touch 7th Generation
> I’d like.
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>
> El 21 jun 2019, a la(s) 11:30 a. m., Sieghard Weitzel
> 
> escribió:
>
>> Maybe Apple should give all people who depend on accessibility
>> features a 10% discount on any new iOS device this year 🧧 🤑 💸
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 8:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone
>>
>> Also “The Tech Doctor’s” podcast is awesome as well, celebrating the
>> 10th anniversary of the iPHone’s accessibility for us the bline! Give
>> it a listen!
>>
>>
>>Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
>>
>> De: Russ Kiehne
>> Enviado: viernes, 21 de junio de 2019 07:52 a. m.
>> Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Asunto: Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone
>>
>> I thought some of you would be interested in the following from Top
>> Tech Tidbits Ten Year Anniversary of Accessible iPhone The main news
>> from this week isn't news, but a recognition of the ten-year
>> anniversary of the revolutionary implementation of VoiceOver on the
>> iPhone 3GS, making the device accessible. Listen to, or read a
>> transcript, of a thorough documentary by Shelly Brisbin:
>> http://bit.ly/2WUe5R8in
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Re: games to play

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

"3076 3D" is about the only game puzzle I took to.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:46 PM
Subject: games to play


please can anybody suggest some games you can play on your iPhone online with 
sighted people?  hope there are some,  Janet

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Re: Talking Reminders

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

ah, Ok,  Siri it is then, working more or less the same as before.
But this is the one thing I do get good mileage out of Echos for.

RobH,  who should have checked which list this is!

- Original Message - 
From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: Talking Reminders


No. But she does have a brain injury and needs to to be reminded by voice and 
would prefer it to be an iPhone app. Thank you all for 
your help.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes

> On May 30, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Susie Stageberg  wrote:
>
> Is she using VoiceOver? If so, it will announce the reminder.
>
> Susie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sharonda Greenlaw
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Talking Reminders
>
> Thank you for your reply. Actually when the reminder is alarming, that’s when 
> she wants to hear it say remind me to eat my lunch. 
> Or remind me to go to the store. Or it’s time to make that phone call. She 
> doesn’t need to use her voice to set up the reminder. 
> She wants to hear a voice prompt when she is being reminded. I hope my 
> explanation is better.
>
> Sharonda
> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes
>
>> On May 30, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sharonda,
>>
>> You can use Siri to create reminders, so that's a way to set them up with 
>> your voice. Reminders play an alarm sound and then 
>> stop, so you don't need to do anything when the alarms go off.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Sharonda Greenlaw  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Does anyone know of a reminder app that you can use your voice? I'm
>>> asking for a friend where she can use her voice when the alarm goes
>>> off. Thanks so much.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> National Federation of the Blind of Iowa (NFBI)
>>> --
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>>> Twitter: shari_rocks
>>> facebook.com/Sharonda.Greenlaw
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Talking Reminders

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Echo:
alexa, set a reminder.
A:  when do you want the reminder for?
Me:  tomorrow at 6am.
A:  tell me what the reminderis for;
Me:  get up and go for a walk.
A:  Ok, I'll remind you tomorrow at 6am to get up and go for a walk.

And she does.


- Original Message - 
From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Talking Reminders


Thank you for your reply. Actually when the reminder is alarming, that’s when 
she wants to hear it say remind me to eat my lunch. Or 
remind me to go to the store. Or it’s time to make that phone call. She doesn’t 
need to use her voice to set up the reminder. She 
wants to hear a voice prompt when she is being reminded. I hope my explanation 
is better.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes

> On May 30, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>
> Hi Sharonda,
>
> You can use Siri to create reminders, so that's a way to set them up with 
> your voice. Reminders play an alarm sound and then stop, 
> so you don't need to do anything when the alarms go off.
>
> HTH,
> Anna
>
>
>> On May 30, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Sharonda Greenlaw  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Does anyone know of a reminder app that you can use your voice? I'm
>> asking for a friend where she can use her voice when the alarm goes
>> off. Thanks so much.
>>
>> -- 
>> Sharonda White
>> National Federation of the Blind of Iowa (NFBI)
>> --
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>> Twitter: shari_rocks
>> facebook.com/Sharonda.Greenlaw
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Talking Reminders

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Echo:  alexa, shut up!
- Original Message - 
From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Talking Reminders


Hello,
Does anyone know of a reminder app that you can use your voice? I'm
asking for a friend where she can use her voice when the alarm goes
off. Thanks so much.

-- 
Sharonda White
National Federation of the Blind of Iowa (NFBI)
--
Skype: sharonda2004
Twitter: shari_rocks
facebook.com/Sharonda.Greenlaw



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Re: New iPod touch announced

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I was hoping to know size, seeif they do a baby tablet, about the size of the 
   don't know modern sizes,  say 6"or so, bigger 
than they used to be for sure.

But you're right, the price graduations make it impractical to be honest.

Thanks, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:49 AM
Subject: New iPod touch announced


I thought I would pose this question, since Apple just announced the update of 
the iPod touch today. It will have the a10 processor, 
the same one that is in an iPhone 7 or 7+. That makes it two years old going on 
three, just like my iPhone 7 Plus. No other 
significant changes that I am aware of, except the space. The cheapest one has 
32 GB for $200, 128 for 300, and 256 for 400. Earlier 
this year, they released the iPad mini five, with the A 12 chip. That is the 
current chip. I can’t remember the prices for iPad 
mini, but my gut reaction when I saw this, it was that Apple was cheeping out. 
They should have given us at least the A 11 if not 
the 12th. I am really disappointed. I was looking forward to perhaps purchasing 
an iPod touch, but now that I see that it has the 
same processor as my iPhone 7 Plus, forget it.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Is there a vibrating clock for the iPhone?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Thisis the first time I've heardof a feature on the iWatch I would actually 
find useful.  Ditto loud noisy environements too.  Would 
be interested to know how you initiateit without it getting VO talking too.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: Is there a vibrating clock for the iPhone?


As far as I know only the Apple Watch can provide the time via a system of 
vibrations. You can choose between something like what 
you describe or Morse code and one other method.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is there a vibrating clock for the iPhone?

Might there be an app that when giving the time, it vibrates? For instance if 
it’s 7:45, it’d vibrate 7 times, pause, vibrate four, 
another pause and vibrate five times. You see, at night when I have my hearing 
aids off, and I want to check what time it is, I need 
to put my iPhone very close to my ear to be able to hear the time. Thanks for 
any info you guys might have on this subject.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

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Re: Calls going directly to Voicemail for no reason that I know of.

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Bet service provider can control this so it forces you to spend on calling back.
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:56 PM
Subject: Calls going directly to Voicemail for no reason that I know of.


I can be going about the house with phone in pocket, and get
signal for a Voicemail. This has happened several times
recently for no reason that I know of. So do any of you know
the reason and what I could do to remedy it? Thanks.

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public wifi

['RobH!' via VIPhone]

Q:  been asked about good security app for iDevice to use on public wifi, on 
train I think she means.  

Any thoughts please?  I'm inclined to tell her to switch it off and depend on 
Gifgaf cell data since she has a goody bag.

Tia, RobH, needs to know pretty soon.

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Re: How to use Siri to search the web, iMore

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Thisis very good and seems better than the A-lady thinghies.

I actually got useful results from the first question.
I know the "A-lady" is good with maths,  but web searches are a good step 
forward for me.

Thanks.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:19 AM
Subject: How to use Siri to search the web, iMore


iMore - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch blog - Tuesday, April 23, 2019
at 5:00 AM

How to use Siri to search the web

There's a lot that Siri can do for you, such as placing phone calls, playing
music, and opening apps. Siri can also search the web for you, whether you
want information on this week's episode of Game of Thrones or you're curious
about the melting point of nitrogen. Not only can Siri display web search
results from Google, but thanks to Apple's partnerships, Siri can also offer
results from Wolfram-Alpha and Wikipedia for specific queries.
Here's how you can use Siri to search the web.

How to search the web with Siri
When performing a general web search using Siri, it's best to start your
query with "Search the web for," as Siri will often try to search your
device for your query, or grab information from a specific source like
Wikipedia or the TV app. Saying "Search the web for" will force Siri to
actually perform a web search.

1.
Press and hold the Home button (iPhone 8 and older), Side button, (iPhone X
and newer) or say "Hey, Siri" on your iPhone or iPad to activate Siri.

2.
Say something like "Search the web for leather iPhone cases".

3.
Tap on a search results that appear.

How to get scientific and mathematical answers from Wolfram-Alpha with Siri
Wolfram-Alpha is a search engine that specializes in scientific and
mathematical knowledge. Siri will automatically turn to Wolfram-Alpha for
results when your query covers scientific topics.

1.
Press and hold the Home button (iPhone 8 and older), Side button, (iPhone X
and newer) or say "Hey, Siri" on your iPhone or iPad to activate Siri.

2.
Say something like "What is the square root of 144."

How to use a specific source for Siri searches
By default, Siri will use Google for its search results. But you can tell
Siri to search using other engines, such as DuckDuck Go and Bing. You can
also ask Siri to surface, for instance, a specific Wikipedia article on a
given topic.

1.
Press and hold the Home button (iPhone 8 and older), Side button, (iPhone X
and newer) or say "Hey, Siri" on your iPhone or iPad to activate Siri.

2.
Tell Siri to "DuckDuckGo" or "Search DuckDuckGo" or your other search engine
of choice such as DuckDuckGo or Bing and what you want to search for. For
example: "DuckDuckGo 'Game of Thrones'." Safari will immediately launch with
a new tab dedicated to your search results.


3.
Or say "Search Wikipedia for [subject]" in order to be presented with a card
with some basic information about the given subject.

4.
Tap one of the links at the bottom of the Wikipedia card to see additional
information about your subject in Safari.

Original Article at:
https://www.imore.com/how-use-siri-search-web


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Re: Anybody know of an accessible app to learn some Italian

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Aah, it was good when I was using it, but it is a while ago, and I did hit the 
wall on progress in the end.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Traci Duncan" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Anybody know of an accessible app to learn some Italian


Ok, this question has distracted me for a day or so. I learned some Italian via 
Duo Lingo a couple years ago and really enjoyedit. 
Using the app again in the last couple days, it seems they have made some 
changes and not for the better. They are really pushing 
you to pay for their service. The pictures used to be difficult, but doable. 
Now I see they are rather impossible. If you get just a 
couple wrong, you run out of chances to practice that day. Maybe do a lingo 
should be contacted and ask how blind people get past 
the pictures without paying for the service.



A lot about the app is the same and still very useable. If you happen to be a 
braille display user, I found it very handy in 
learning the spelling of the words



Two other learning language apps you may consider are:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mango-languages/id443516516?mt=8

Mango languages goes through your local library. I’ve used it a little bit and 
found it pretty accessible.



I have not used this app yet, so I cannot speak about it’s accessibility. If 
anyone gives it a try, please report back.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/learn-languages-with-memrise/id635966718?mt=8



Good luck with your language learning. I have great fun dabbling in it, but 
unfortunately never get very far.



Hope this is helpful,

Traci


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2019, at 8:21 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's hard to explain,
> Usually, VoiceOver will discribe in your language and when you choose the 
> good picture you will have the word in italian.
>
>
> Lyne
>
>> Le 21 avr. 2019 à 16:36, Amy Ruell  a écrit :
>>
>> I didn’t see that option. I here for words in Italian and voiceover says for 
>> example boy, or woman. How do I know which of the 
>> four Italian words is the correct response?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 2:09 PM, l.d.ethie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It is really accessible. Even if you have to recognize picture because 
>>> VoiceOver will tell you. I use it
>>>
>>> Lyne
>>>
>>>> Le 21 avr. 2019 à 12:47, Amy Ruell  a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Just downloaded it. Problem is, it uses pictures to identify words.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have heard of people using duolingo.
>>>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duolingo/id570060128
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not used it.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>>>> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>>>> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack 
>>>>> to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground 
>>>>> and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe 
>>>>> and Everything, p.59
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Amy Ruell
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:45 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Anybody know of an accessible app to learn some Italian
>>>>>
>>>>> Would appreciate any information. Thanks.
>>>>> Amy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Thanks for last 2 TTS convertor suggestions.

RobH.
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From: "Devin Prater" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe


Rob, look into Balabolka <http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm>, a free 
program that can do this for not only one file, but a 
batch of them if you need that. It’s one of the most feature complete TTS app 
for Windows.

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> Rob,
> Text Aloud might be a possibility for you:
> https://nextup.com/
>
> Richard
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to 
> flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and 
> miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and 
> Everything, p.59
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe
>
> Experience from a long time audio reader, is the familiarity you get with 
> TTS, until you're imune to its peculiarities.   Like our
> screen readers.  i'm trying to track down an old  utility for Windows that 
> directly converts .txt to .mp3/wav via any TTS voice 
> you have installed.
>
> I wouldn't want to lose all my favourite books read by very good readers,  
> but TTS is a great leveller.
>
> RobH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:25 AM
> Subject: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
> Braille display.
>
> However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
> Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.
>
> Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
> available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
> book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
> just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
> it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
> beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.
>
> After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
> version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
> book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.
>
> You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
> wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
> that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
> experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.
>
> Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
> narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
> a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
> dollars.
>
> Mark
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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Like Lauralli King?
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From: "goshawk on horseback" 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe


definitely not for me!
I would rather buy audiobooks that I actually want to listen to, with good
readers, who bring the characters to life.

Simon


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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:25 AM
Subject: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe


Hello Everyone,

I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
Braille display.

However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.

Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.

After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.

You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.

Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
dollars.

Mark


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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Experience from a long time audio reader, is the familiarity you get with TTS, 
until you're imune to its peculiarities.   Like our 
screen readers.  i'm trying to track down an old  utility for Windows that 
directly converts .txt to .mp3/wav via any TTS voice you 
have installed.

I wouldn't want to lose all my favourite books read by very good readers,  but 
TTS is a great leveller.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:25 AM
Subject: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe


Hello Everyone,

I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
Braille display.

However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.

Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.

After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.

You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.

Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
dollars.

Mark


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Re: Do we still have the level app?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

If that's the spirit level app, I last found it as a part of the compass. I 
know there was a button there to click into other 
things.

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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 10:36 PM
Subject: Do we still have the level app?


Hi all,
in latest IOS do we still have the level app? I can’t find it anywhere.
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Re: iPad mini, are you going to buy one?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Mine's on order, but not available before April. 64G and silver is good enough. 
This is uK, same amount in £ as $s.

RobH.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: iPad mini, are you going to buy one?


I'm very tempted to get the 256 gb version.  I listen to a lot of old time
radio and it takes up a lot of space.

I'm wondering if the current otterbox defender case for the ipad mini 4 will
work with the new ipad mini 4?

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From: Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPad mini, are you going to buy one?

Hi folks,
I found today’s announcement of a new iPad mini interesting. I had a really
old one, which was painfully slow. And when they made iOS 12, I was
surprised that my old iPad mini was eligible for the upgrade. Well iOS 12
did slightly seem to improve the performance of that tablet, what drove me
crazy was the introduction of the new jesters where you can slide up from
the bottom to get the app switcher or the home screen. Since the iPad had
the home button, I thought introducing those jesters to my old iPad was a
bad idea. And they didn’t do it with the phone, my iPhone 7 is still
blessedly free of those gestures which it does not need. Introduction of
those jesters was the straw that broke the camels back. My iPad mini is now
gone. I don’t know if having a faster processor would make it more
responsive or whatever. I like the form factor. But the iPad has big
vessels, and when you get your finger in the area where those jesters take
effect, whether it’s the top or the bottom, it’s kind of an issue, at least
it was for me. So I’m wondering if folks currently using iPads are having
the same issue I did with moving your finger around the screen being
interfered with by the presence of these gestures. And who plans to buy an
iPad mini? Why or why not?

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Re: two totally unrelated questions

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

True, but also call it "dot", and think that is accepted and a lot shorter to 
say.
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From: "James English" 
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Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: two totally unrelated questions


Hello,

We call the . sign full stop.

- James

On 3/9/19, Paul and Paula Jordan  wrote:
> Hi.  I have two questions that are totally unrelated.  First, what do those
> speaking British English call the punctuation mark period.  I’m using the
> Austrailian Siri voice in order to get rid of the voice mail transcription
> stuff.  When I use Siri to dictate a text she always uses the word “period”
> but I’m not sure she puts the actual punctuation at the end of the
> sentence.
>
>
>
>
> Next off the wall question.  I generally don’t carry my phone in a pocket,
> but am considering doing that more.  I notice that when it’s in my pocket
> it
> gets somewhat warm.  Is this normal? Does this cause the battery to drain
> faster? Just wondering.  Thanks as always for all the helpful information
> received from this group.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and Garçon
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Re: Auto Speaker phone on iPhone 8

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, I still have a i4S, and do have this trouble with switching back and fro 
between speaker and ear, which causes gaps in 
conversation to caller who misses half of the conversation.  I would like, and 
never yet heard of, a means to switch that feature 
off so we can operate it like the old phones,  we click a button to put it on, 
or off,  at will, our will that is!

Thanks, RobH.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Auto Speaker phone on iPhone 8


Sorry, Robert, that is not where you turn this off. Automatic switching to the 
speakerphone is a Voiceover feature not a general 
accessibility feature hence it is in Voiceover settings.
The call audio routing section says this:
Call audio routing determines where audio will be heard during a phone call or 
Facetime Audio.
The options are Automatic (the default), Bluetooth headset or speaker.
You can also turn on auto answer here which if turned on lets you set a time in 
seconds and if you turn this on and, for example, 
set it to 5 seconds then if a phone call is received the call will be answered 
automatically after 5 seconds, i.e. you don’t have to 
do a 2-finger double tap or tap on “Answer”.

The setting this person wants to turn off can be found in Settings > General > 
Accessibility > Voiceover > Audio
It is called Auto select speaker in call, by default it is on.
The explanation underneath says “During audio calls automatically switch to the 
speaker when not holding your iPhone to your ear.

Does your friend have a case on the phone? I used to have some issues with that 
with my 6S Plus, but I also have an iPhone 8 and it 
never does this any more unless I really hold it away from my ear. I wonder if 
her case somehow interferes by covering or being too 
close to the area near the top of the phone where the proximity sensor is 
located.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 6:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Auto Speaker phone on iPhone 8

The feature you are speaking of is in
Settings/general/accessibility then swipe down to ‘call audio routing’.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

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Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 7:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Auto Speaker phone on iPhone 8

Hi Folks,

A friend of mine just got an iPhone 8 and is having the problem of the speaker 
phone coming on at odd times whether she has taken 
the phone away from her head or not. Also, when she tries to make it turn off 
it often won't do it. I had this trouble with my 
iPhone 4S but have never had it on my 6S. In fact my speaker phone never comes 
on unless I go and hit the button to turn it on. My 
question is does anyone know if there is some setting which will turn off the 
auto speaker phone feature? I couldn't find anything 
obvious in my phone yet mine never comes on. She is very frustrated with this 
and wants to take her phone back if she can't get it 
to stop. Thanks.

Karl



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Re: saving text messages

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Q:  my txt messages don't go away unless I delete them, and they do get 
includedin standard backup.

So, would like to know what form of "Save"  is meant in this thread.
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From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: saving text messages


I am not aware of a method which let’s you save text messages.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:13 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: saving text messages

When saving a text message, wheredoes the saved message go and is it possible 
to save it to Dropbox?

Vicki

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Re: Curious about keyboards

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is the best response so far, especially with that tagline.

First thread I've read down for ages. Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: Curious about keyboards


The short answer is no.

The Apple onscreen keyboard is as good as it gets from what I've explored.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Curious about keyboards

Hello everyone,


I am just curious about this. I don't know if I would try it, if this is 
possible.


But I was wondering, are there other, accessible keyboards out there, 1
can use with their iPhone?

If so, what might be available?

And what might be the advantages of using a different keyboard?


Again, just something I am curious about.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen

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I shouldn't ask probably, but does CRS sell anything like this?  I'm one of the 
unconvinced that touch screen is the b all and end 
all of smart things.
But a kb has to be quite tactile,  and that is the more so with aging senses, 
including touch.

Thanks, R.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen


In my job I come across plenty of people who have either tried and don’t like 
the touch screen or have tried and just can’t get on 
with it. While I personally use the touch screen most of the time I can 
appreciate why buttons are useful as in making phone calls 
and I would probably find it quicker but I don’t use my iPhone as an actual 
phone that often. I am of course referring to numbers 
not in contacts being quicker to type on a hardware keyboard. I also know quite 
a few who really loved their original RIVo and those 
who have the RIVO 2 seem to feel the same. Personally, I just couldn’t get my 
head round it; it just isn’t for me.



> On 3 Jan 2019, at 16:09, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> I think I heard about this before and maybe this is a newer version, but for 
> the most part I am amazed at how much trouble people 
> go to and how much money they spend to take away the strength of the iPhone 
> or, for that matter, other advanced smartphones. I 
> understand that there might be a few cases where a person for whatever reason 
> can't touch the phone, e.g. if they are 
> quadriplegic, have no hands etc. Apple and now Google have put a lot of very 
> smart people to work to come up with this incredible 
> way to make touchscreen devices extremely accessible, apps like Flicktype 
> make typing very efficient with a bit of practice yet 
> some people still think they are better off trying to avoid touching that 
> screen as much as possible. Maybe I miss something here, 
> but I just don't get it.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Russ 
> Kiehne
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> I thought some of you might be interested in: Learn about the Rivo 2, the 
> $299 add-on that lets you use your smart phone without a 
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Re: Weird issue when phone is locked

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I thought that feature could be turned off.  Can't remember what it's called 
wake on lift or something.

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 1:51 AM
Subject: Weird issue when phone is locked


Hello everyone,


Maybe this isn't so weird of an issue, but something that just happens
now. Especially with how the phone tends to work now.


But I have noticed that when my screen is locked, and I go to grab the
phone and accidentally touch the screen, the phone will start speaking.
It usually just reads the status information. This usually happens when
I go across the screen to the left, or up.

Does anyone know why this happens, or what I can do about it, if anything?

It is not set to wake, or anything like that.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: which is the best mac to buy

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Last time we did this, we had the basic mac Mini and bought seperate monitor 
with speakers, so you choose your own. Apple-specific 
monitor, like all their things, are a lot dearer than buying quality generic. 
YOu can hook monitors and usb keyboards to the laptops 
too, so could have one of those  so you can use it as desk or lap use.

Mrs has iMacs downstairs and plugs it all into the monitor based system.

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Subject: which is the best mac to buy


If I wish to change from windows to mac and I wish to use the speakers you get 
in the mac monitors, which would be the best one to 
buy?  hope someone can help, Janet

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Re: A old friend of mine she is in her 80's is seeking for a cell phone with buttens and keys that are spaced apart that she can feel them. she is with telus in Canada any one have any ideas?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

RuggedGear do very robust android devices which have touch screen and real 
buttons and built like the proverbial tank.  Built to 
military/civil eng/security grade.  Often include other interesting features 
like a massive battery capacity and very powerful LED 
torch.  But the basic phone and buttons is good to handle.  Price not that mad 
compaired to all the smart thins out there the rest 
of you get.

Hth, R.

- Original Message - 
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Subject: A old friend of mine she is in her 80's is seeking for a cell phone 
with buttens and keys that are spaced apart that she 
can feel them. she is with telus in Canada any one have any ideas?


Hello all. My friend Anett she is in her 80's she is in the serch for a new
phone. She says she wants a phone that has phyisickle buttens on it this
would be a cell phone btw. She said that she wants one where the keys are
spaced apart enough that she can feel them and there should be a dot on the
five etc. I drew a blank when she asked me about this since I have not seen
a cell phone with phyisickle buttens in quite some time. She says she wants
it to be simple and easy to use. Her cell carrier is telus. Does any one
know of sutch a phone? Many thanks for any help. Btw she has no sight what
so ever. She is blind like me. Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: Recommendation For An Apple Desktop?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Apple Mini if you get a higher memory model, optional SSD or HDD.

The access to fire up VO is standard, and there is a dongle thing to kid it 
there is a monitor when there isn't,  so you can run it 
headless as they say. No monitor.

any mouse/kb will work, though alt/application/windows keys do not line up the 
same as alt/option/cmd keys for Macs. But they work 
anyway.

Hth, RobH.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Recommendation For An Apple Desktop?


Hi, list.

I am seeking recommendations for an Apple Desktop where I can install
Windows10 as well. I am not looking for the latest and greatest with a lots
of bells and whistles, even an earlier model is ok too.

I am totally blind so I don't care display size if that can save me some
money.

I'll be using it just for the regular stuff, such as email, reading
documents, playing media, using social media, attaching a Braille display
with it etc.

Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks!





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Re: the left over iphone SE stock

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Sell them in the 3rd world market.

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Subject: the left over iphone SE stock


I was at the local Apple store getting a couple of new macs and I asked them 
what they did with the iphone SE phones that were still 
in stock. Apparently they do not sell them once Apple decides to discontinue a 
product, they send their left over inventory back to 
Apple and they are not sure what Apple does with them from there, perhaps uses 
them for repair parts. I know some of us were 
wondering about that a while back so I thought I would ask while I was there.

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Re: iPhone XS Max Tear-Down and Parts Cost Estimate, Business Insider

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

A product at point of sale, is far beyond the sum of its constituent parts.

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Subject: iPhone XS Max Tear-Down and Parts Cost Estimate, Business Insider


The $1249 iPhone XS Max is made out of only $443 worth of parts
By Reuters
. Apple's new iPhone XS Max has about $443 worth of parts, according
to a new analysis.
. The device that was torn down was the 256GB model, which retails for
$1249.
. Apple CEO Tim Cook has previously said he's never seen a teardown
estimate that's "even close to accurate."
. Still, it's clear Apple likes to make a healthy margin on its
iPhones.
Apple shaved some parts from the display in its largest new iPhone, helping
keep costs under control in what has become the priciest component of its
phones in recent years, according to a new cost analysis of the device.
TechInsights, an Ottawa, Ontario-based firm which rips open phones to
analyze their contents and estimate the cost of the parts inside, said on
Tuesday that the iPhone Xs Max with 256 gigabytes of storage capacity
contains about $443 in parts and assembly costs, compared with $395.44 for
the 64-gigabyte version of last year's iPhone X.
Apple released a trio of new phones earlier this month, including an update
on last year's iPhone X, called the iPhone Xs, that starts at $999, and the
budget-minded iPhone Xr that starts at $749. But it was the iPhone Xs Max -
with a 6.5-inch display that uses so-called OLED technology for richer
colors - that pushed new pricing boundaries, starting at $1,099.
In its cost analysis released on Tuesday, TechInsights found that the single
priciest part in the iPhone Xs Max - the display - cost $80.50, compared
with $77.27 for last year's iPhone X, which featured a smaller 5.8-inch
screen. The relatively small increase in cost despite the larger screen size
was because Apple appeared to have removed some components related to its
so-called 3D Touch system, which makes apps respond differently depending on
how hard users press the screen.
"All told, what they took out adds up to about $10, so this $80 estimate
would have been about $90," Al Cowsky, who oversees cost analysis at
TechInsights, told Reuters in an interview. "They had a trade-off in cost."
An Apple spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment about the
study.
But Bob O'Donnell of TECHnalysis Research said Apple likely made the right
decision to focus on ensuring it could deliver a larger-screened model this
year economically.
"For a certain group of people, the whole thing is about the screen. It's
driving the whole experience and it's what is making people excited about
using the phone," O'Donnell said.
Other costs that increased were the phone's processor and modem chips,
primarily because the chips used newer chip-making techniques from Intel and
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd to boost their performance while
taking up the same space. The 256-gigabyte iPhone Xs Max TechInsights
analyzed sells for $1,249 in the United States.

Original Article at:
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te-2018-9

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