RE: Disenchanted with iTunes Backup and Upgrade

[Wayne gmail]

To that caution, it is also good to be sure all apps on your phone are also
transferred to your computer as well.  If you bought the app on the IPhone,
it might not be on your computer and sync doesn't necessarily put it there.

Regards,
Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Disenchanted with itunes Backup and Upgrade

Christopher, thanks so much for your detailed post and I think you hit on
the issue as to why our restore from the iTunes backup made the day before
did not include her apps. I'm sure that a sync between iPhone and computer
from within iTunes was not done before we started her upgrade. Therefore,
the backup we made would not have included her apps and any other related
data that wouldn't get from the phone to iTunes without a sync. I mistakenly
assumed that anything on the phone would be backed up to iTunes when
connecting to the computer using the cable and running an encrypted backup
within iTunes. So now I'm left being the ass as stated in that old adage
about assuming.

For the couple of others who posted, we did do the restore twice but still
had no apps. As she is reinstalling her apps, her customized folders do
appear to be coming back as the apps they held are being reinstalled so that
is good.

I would urge anyone using iTunes to back up their phone or other iDevices to
the computer to make sure you've synced it a time or two to make sure
everything on the phone is indeed in your iTunes library and being backed
up.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disenchanted with itunes Backup and Upgrade

I'm not as smart as an Apple tech, and I can't explain why you can't see the
backup you made prior to the upgrade, but here are a few thoughts.

I consider upgrading your iPhone from iTunes to be the normal and safe way
to do an upgrade. This used to be the only option available before Apple
implemented over the air updates a few versions ago. This is typically how I
do an update. I've had to go through the restore to factory settings path
and restore from a backup on my phone and my wife's, and other than taking a
while, it was completely successful. 
I've also had problems on my iPhone after doing an over the air update that
was resolved when I restored my phone, and I've seen reports on this and
other lists, that others have had the same experience. I'm sure over the air
updates are fine, and I've done them myself with smaller updates, but they
do and will take more resources on your phone and thus in my opinion are
more likely to lead to issues.

I assume you've tried powering off her phone and restarting it. I've seen my
phone come up with the original factory look and feel after a restart, even
when not updating my phone, and it was resolved by powering off and
restarting my phone.

Note that your apps are not stored in the backup. To recover your apps, you
need to let iTunes go through the process of syncing content (data and apps)
to your phone. this will take a while, but it will copy the apps back onto
your phone. The whole process of restoring to factory settings and restoring
from a backup takes a while and goes through multiple steps. It should all
just happen automatically, but it will take a while. Is it possible you
interrupted the restore and sync before it was all complete?

Before I start an update through iTunes, I get a message that there are
purchases on my iPhone which are not stored on my PC, and I need to go into
the File pulldown to have these transferred. I'm sorry I don't recall the
exact wording of this dialog, but did you see something similar and perform
the requested step? I'm not sure if this has any bearing on what you're
seeing or not.

In addition to performing a backup prior to an update, you also want to make
sure your phone is synced with your PC/Mac, since there is data stored on
your phone which will not be captured in your backup.

Note that as part of the update process through iTunes, a backup should be
made, so again, I'm not sure why you aren't seeing this backup.

Finally, although you saw this problem performing an update through iTunes,
there's no way of knowing if you would have seen the same issue performing
the update over the air.

On 03/15/2014 12:03 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
> I realize in the world of computing most anything can happen a lot of 
> which is inexplicable. But my recent experience convincing a friend to 
> use iTunes to back up and upgrade to iOS 7.1 and the abysmal results 
> experienced have left a very bad taste in my mouth. The worst of it is 
> that the results we got seem to make no logical sense. Here are the 
> steps we followed:
>
>  1. We backed up her iPhone 5 to her comput

RE: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

[Wayne gmail]

I just upgraded to IOS 7.1 and found that I had trouble opening the apps
switcher.  I did find, however, that doing the double press of the home
button more quickly reliably opens the apps switcher.  Looks to me as though
it now just requires a faster action on the part of the user.

  Once opened, I can still do a three fingered upswipe to close an app just
like every other version of IOS 7.  

 

Regards,

Wayne

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

 

Ah, you must not be able to use iOS 7 on that device.

Once you have the app switcher open, Double Tap and hold on an app in the
app switcher like you were going to move an icon.  After you hear the
tri-tones, then it should say to double tap to delete the app.  That means
it will delete it from the app switcher, not delete it from the device.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of rubyalphonse
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

 

Hi Richard, in my I Pod Touch 4 it doesn't work like that. When I double
click the home button on my IPod Touch, APP Switcher opens, but, to open the
applications double tap. For instance, my audio books when I want to close
in IPod Touch, it says to double tap to open,  where as in this IPhone 5, I
can close the applications with swyping with my three fingers up. Is there
anything to do with the settings? Thank you Ruby

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

 

Getting to the app switcher is the same for the iPod Touch as for the
iPhone.

Double-tap the home button and use the three finger swipe up to close the
aps out of the app switcher.

HTH,

Richard

 


"There is only one way to avoid criticism: do nothing, say nothing, and be
nothing." - Aristotle


On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:51 AM, "rubyalphonse"  wrote:

Hi Richard,
Is there a way to open APP Switcher in IPod touch? In can double time press
home button on my I Phone 5 but I don't know to to get to APP Switcher to
close my applications after I've done with them. Please can you tell me? I
am much obliged to you. Regards Ruby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

It is a double-tap of the home button.
Unless you have an iPad where you can swipe up from the bottom of the screen
with four fingers.
HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of simon
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

where is the ap switcher

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From: "Donald L. Roberts" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:19 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Trouble opening the app switcher under 7.1

Thanks, Kimmer, for posting this.  I assumed hopefully erroneously that 

the download was corrupted when I upgraded my wife's fifth generation 

ipod.  Don't have this problem with my other IOS devices.

 

Don Roberts

 

 

On 3/11/2014 12:20 PM, Kimber Gardner wrote:

Since upgrading to 7.1, a double click of the home button no longer

opens the app switcher on my 4s. Can others confirm this behavior?

 

Kimber

 

 

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RE: App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane

[Wayne gmail]

I have this wonderful mental picture of the look on the face of the
facilities manager where I used to work as we lay down this tape from the
front door of the converted warehouse, up to the third floor, and through
the incredible maze of offices and cubicles to my work unit.  Then
there is the response from accounting when I explain that I cannot attend
the crises meeting on the year end statements because I don't have a tape
for accounting conference room 421.
   However, many a good idea has been known to come from some really bad
ideas.  Go MIT!!

Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane

Sorry, a technological "wonder" will not do it for me! Give me my dog or a
cane any time! The rest, finding bathrooms, shops, etc., the public will
just continue to have to put up helping me with, even with all the "bugs"
using it.


reggie and Allegra

On Jan 9, 2014, at 12:22 PM, "RobH."  wrote:

I wouldn't be happy using a £500 phone for the job even if it did;  not when
I can make my plastic one for about £20.

But this is a common sighted perspective, who, not having to do this main
streamm or way of life, has no real idea of the level of detail involved in
the mobility process.  College courses hardly fill the gap as they're taught

by,...   more sighted.

Like I said, they meant well,  but can't see it catching on. Sounds like
another science degree student's final year project again.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Ron Pelletier" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane


Also, an iPhone gives no protection against obstacles so it's a bit
exaggerated to say it turns the phone into a virtual cane.

Ron & Danvers

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane

Interesting concept. However, I think iBeacons are the way of the future,
they could probably do anything this system could do.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gary Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane

App Turns Smartphone Into Virtual Cane for the Blind

MIT Technology Review
January 8, 2014


A smartphone app inspired by Greek mythology has the potential to help the
blind navigate indoors where GPS is unavailable.


It's easy to imagine that being blind or visually impaired more or less
excludes people from using smartphones or tablets. But nothing could be
further from the truth.  App stores have a dizzying variety of products that
help the visually impaired access all kinds of information much more easily
than would otherwise be possible.

These apps offer audio books, match clothes by colour and even offer games
played by hearing and touch alone. But the apps designed to give directions
all suffer from the same drawbacks-audio directions are helpful but also
screen out other audio such as conversations or the sound of traffic nearby.
What's more, GPS does not work indoors so these kinds of systems are of
little use in homes and other buildings

Now Pierluigi Gallo and buddies at the University of Palermo in Italy have
come up with an alternative which offers the blind navigational help without
any form of audio distraction or the need for GPS.

The approach is surprisingly simple and inspired by the famous Greek myth of
Ariadne and Theseus.  In the story, Theseus volunteers to kill the Minotaur
which lives in a labyrinth on the island of Crete. To help him, Ariadne
gives him a sword to kill the beast and a ball of thread to help him find
his way out when the deed is done.

Gallo and co take a similar approach with their prototype smartphone app
called Arianna, the Italian name for Ariadne. (It's also short for "pAth
Recognition for Indoor Assisted NavigatioN with Augmented perception.) Their
idea is to map out a route through a building by sticking coloured tape on
the ground.

The user then switches on the smartphone camera and points it towards the
ground, while placing a finger on the screen. He or she then waves the
camera back and forth, scanning the ground for the line.

In the meantime, the app analyses the frames produced by the camera, picking
out the line as it moves across the screen. When the line passes under the
user's finger on the screen, the app causes the smartphone to vibrate,
providing a tactile indication of where the line falls.

Scanning the smartphone back and forth allows the user to follow the line in
the same way as he or she might use a cane (see diagram above).  At the same
time, QR codes pla

RE: Pages change too quickly when moving apps

[Wayne gmail]

I hate to confess my ignorance which is boundless and, therefore, obvious.
However, what dock?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages change too quickly when moving apps

 

Back in iOS 3 and 4, page change when moving apps was very quick. In iOS 5,
Apple slowed it down too much. Now, Apple sped page change up again, but has
added spoken announcement of each page before changing to the next page. If
you lift your finger when you hear the page you want, the app will stop on
that page. That said, some people find it easier to move the app into the
doc, change to the page they want the app on, and move the app out of the
dock onto the new page.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Dec 2013, at 12:52, "Don & Cher Bosch" 
wrote:

With IOS 7.03, when the phone says 'icon approaching border' it almost
instantly jumps several pages. I did not experience this rapid page change
in earlier IOS versions. Is there a new gesture to use or a way to slow this
down? Thanks.

 

Cher

 

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Please help with view in Itunes problem - was -RE: InstaBrowser is still free as of November 25 - Was Re: Instabrowser iOS app is free (November 22, 2013)

[Wayne gmail]

This is the second app with which I have had the problem I will describe
below.
   When I hit enter on the link in the message below my IE 11 browser takes
me to the proper web page.  However, when I hit enter on the "view in
ITunes" link it loads a page on the Apple site for downloading ITunes.  It
is very strange and I can't figure out how to make it bring up ITunes and
the option to obtain the app.  Can anyone suggest a fix?
  Thanks in advance for any help.
Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: InstaBrowser is still free as of November 25 - Was Re: Instabrowser
iOS app is free (November 22, 2013)

Hi, just a note that as of today November 25, 2013, here in the US, the
instabrowser app is still free. I just picked it up.

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On 11/22/2013 3:02 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Instabrowser, the iOS web browser app, is free today. It normally 
> lists for $2.99.  This app was one of the AppleVis pick of the month 
> iOS apps for August.  For those of you who use Instapaper or 
> Readability, or make use of the Safari Reader function that was 
> inspired by Instapaper's simpler and more accessible rendering of web 
> pages (leaving out extraneous images, links, etc.), Instabrowser aims 
> to use a similar display directly in an iPhone browser as a way of 
> speeding up display of web pages, especially on slow connections, and 
> reducing cell phone data usage. As an aside, this often improves the 
> accessibility and quality of the reading experience.  Just as Safari 
> Reader doesn't work for all web pages, Instabrowser may not be able to 
> improve the readability of all complex web pages.  This app is 
> deisgned for iPhone or iPod Touch, but can be used on an iPad in 2x mode.
>
> . Instabrowser (free for short time, normally $2.99) by Red Mage
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/instabrowser/id527221992?mt=8
>
> Here's the link to the AppleVis entry:
> http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/utilities/instabrowser
>
> This was also the subject of a Tech Doctor podcast earlier this year, 
> "Instabrowser faster than Safari":
> http://www.dr-carter.com/?p=246
>
> The Tech Doctor Blog and Podcast contains show notes, but the direct 
> link to the podcast is:
> http://dr-carter.com/podcasts/20130720.mp3
>
> I'm posting this late, since this went up yesterday.and a check of 
> Twitter shows this is only free for 24 hours.  So grab this now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
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RE: Guitar tuner

[Wayne gmail]

It makes tuning the guitar a really quick and easy process.  I used to have
to ask myself if I really wanted to play bad enough to go through the tuning
ordeal.  Of course the fact that I have a notoriously tin ear entered
greatly into that decision as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Guitar tuner

The $.99 works great and very accessible.  It is called the talking tuner. 
Andy

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From: Jerry MAder
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Guitar tuner

Which app worked for you the .99 cent one or the free one? Thanks.
Jerry Mader

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Guitar tuner

Hi Anna, Andy again, I must of downloaded the wrong app.  I went back to
talking tuner and installed  the correct one.  The other app was free and
this one was .99.  I want to thank you for this suggestion, this app is
awesome.  Thanks again this is what I am looking for.  Andy

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From: Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Guitar tuner

Hi,

Try Talking Tuner. I like it very much. When you play a note, it tells you
what note it is and how sharp or flat.

Best,
Anna



On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
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> Hi, there is a good piece on this list on tuners.  Which one do I look 
> for so that a totally blind guitarist can listen to the tone?  There 
> was a post here about a tuning folk and I think that whoever it was 
> that responded may know the one I am looking for.  Thank you so much 
> for your time and wisdom.  Andys Andrew J. LaPointe Co-Chairman Salem 
> Commission on Disabilities President, The Friends of the Salem Council 
> on Aging
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Visual Voice mail and unified voice mail

[Wayne gmail]

 

 

In case anyone here has run into the problem I had when I first got my
IPhone, I thought I would mention that visual voice mail must be turned off
to allow you to use AT&T unified voice mail service.

   I very much like getting notified of voice mail on both of our IPhones as
well as on the home land line.  We can also check our voice mail from any
one of the three.  However, when AT&T set up our new IPhones, the default is
to use visual voice mail which will not work with the unified voice mail.
It is necessary to call their tech support and get them to change that
setting on your account if you wish to use unified voice mail.  You can
change your settings online to enable an email notification of a new voice
mail but the visual voice mail is not changeable online.

 

Regards,

Wayne

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RE: Moderator note - Congratulations and list etiquette and opinions

[Wayne gmail]

Very well said Cara.  Your patient and cheerful approach to moderating this
list has been remarkable.  Even when it is necessary to reign us in, you do
it with a gentle spirit and a smile.

  I would also add that your co-moderater Raul also does an excellent job at
herding cats here as well.

   Please continue to remind us of civility from time to time.  My own
nature tends  toward the acid and sharp even when I think I am being funny.
It is good to stop and remember that my words should be served up with the
clear understanding that I may have to eat them someday.

 

Regards,

Wayne

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Moderator note - Congratulations and list etiquette and opinions

 

HI All,

 

when I started this list just before the first accessible iPHone came out,
my original plan was to have a non-moderated list. I feel that people are
adults and can treat each other with the respect and dignity they deserve.

 

i still believe this. Though it has become necessary over the years to
moderate this list, I still do feel that people here can treat each other
with respect and dignity.

 

So, as list owner and moderator, I am simply reminding all of us of our
basic human responsibilities to let each other voice our opinions, whether
or not we agree with them.

 

This means not calling people names such as whiners or saying they are
bitching and moaning. because quite honestly, when you call others names
guess what? You are complaining and whining and quite frankly bitching and
moaning! lol! Know what I mean?

 

We're all capable of this and it just does not work in a list situation such
as this one.

 

also, as a quick note on four letter words and colorful language. Since
there are members here from all over the world and from diverse religious
and moral backgrounds, words like the B word above and all of the other
colorful types of vocabulary are not welcome here.

 

Personally they don't bother me a bit (within reason) but I am asking us to
simply again, be aware of others here. If you need more clarification just
ask and I'll be happy to detail this.

 

Before I go on, let me just stop and also congratulate you all for actually
doing a wonderful job to maintain a great amount of peace and civility. Many
lists might have degenerated in to flame wars over what we all have been
discussing and passing back and forth here over the last few weeks. So
please feel free to give yourselves a hand if you wish! :) I'm serious. With
a list this size, it's no small feat to manage intense discussions such as
what we are lucky enough to have here.

 

the fact that we can keep these threads going in a reasonably civil way is
seriously cool and mature of all of us. So trust me when I say I thank you
for it.

 

It definitely makes life easier for Raul and myself.

 

So let me just encourage us to just be aware to take a second when
responding to people whose opinions really get to us and just remember the
kind of cool and intelligent venue for discussion we have here. Just treat
each other with respect and dignity as you would want for yourselves and
we'll do fine.

 

Thanks so much to you all for reading this message and please do keep up the
great informative and lively discussions that make this list what it is.

 

have a great weekend and talk with y'all soon!

 

Smiles,

 

Cara :)

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RE: red laser

[Wayne gmail]

Today we were unpacking stuff we had bought at Sam's and we came across a
large plastic jar which were a bit unsure of.  I scanned it with the Id
Mate Summit and it said "item not found".  I decided to try Red Laser and
easily found the bar code.  It immediately recognized it as maraschino
cherries and told me of a place where it was on sale.  
  I am a little puzzled about the flash though.  How does one turn it on.  I
saw a post describing a place near the top right of the screen but I can't
find it.  Is that a switch within Red Laser or a system level switch.  Could
Siri turn it on?

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: red laser

It really depends on the actual product. For example, the code on a
one-pound box of pasta is usually along the long, thin edge. For a box of
cereal, it might be in one of the corners. The best thing that I can
recommend is to find a sighted person, have them tell you where the codes on
a few items are, and then practice scanning those codes. Red Laser is smart
enough to pick up the code in passing, so you don't need to precisely center
the code or focus the image. That means that you can just move the phone
over the code, and it should be picked up. It takes some practice, which is
why I recommend using the app on a few products whose coat placement you
already know.
On Nov 15, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Lea Langley  wrote:

> Hi, thank you for the response. Now when you say on the back of the 
> product if it is a box, is it the big part of the box, is it near the 
> corner of a box, or exactly where perhaps in the middle? I am sorry 
> for so many questions but I really could not get it to work and I 
> tried and tried. Thank you so much for all of your help and for your 
> patience. God bless, Wren
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:02 PM, "isaac"  wrote:
>> 
>> Some times the bar code is on the back of the product
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Lea Langley
>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: red laser
>> 
>> hi all, I got RedLaser this morning, but how do you find a barcode 
>> when you don't know where one is? I'm not trying to be a smart mouth 
>> it's a very serious question. It says center the barcode then tap to 
>> focus well if you don't know where the code is how do you find it? I 
>> am by myself and don't have cited help very much. Thank you for any 
>> and all help. God bless, Wren
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First, be sure you have the flash on, as this seems to help a whole lot.
Second, try different distances. My iPhone5 seems to like six to ten inches
away, but different cameras may need slightly different distances. If
possible, get an item and have someone tell you where the code is, then
practice scanning that so you can get a feel for where the phone needs to be
to get a good scan.
 On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Jerry MAder 
wrote:
 
 Where can I find a bar code, or qr code on say, a bottle of 
 flavored creamer? I want to see if Red laser picks it up. DO I move 
 the phone around to find the code or move the bottle keeping the phone
steady?
 Thanks
 Jerry Mader
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:57 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: red laser
 
 Actually, you're in the right place. I don't know what multi scan 
 is, so I leave it off, but now your phone is looking for a code. 
 Just show it a bar code and you should be off and running.
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Patti Johnson 
wrote:
> 
> No, it's red Laser, it talks about adding favorite store, sounds 
> are on,
 cards, cscan, more nearby stores, back it  up, top coupons, etc, in 
 the home screen.  whem I tap on the navigation button it seems to take
a few seconds.
 which I just did; now it says home, search, scan, favorites, lists, 
 history, qr codes, store alerts, settings and a bout inhelp.
> If I go into scan which by the way none of these options say 
> button; I
 hear cancel button, light off, which I assume needs to be on; multi 
 scan, switch button off, which I again assume needs to be on; then 
 it says center to barcode then tap to focus, avoid glare and shadows.
> Sounds like I really goofed this app up.
> Patti
>> On 11/12/2013 5:56 PM, Sandratomkins wrote:
>> Patti,
>> I know this will sound really stupid, but are you actually using
 RedLaser? What you seem to be describing is TapTapSee. Is it 
 possible you are loading the wrong app?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 

RE: Tap TapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Actually when you think of it, if I pay for a product and it performs as
promised that should be the end of it.   It is not my money it is theirs to
do with as they see fit.  If someone wishes to keep their money rather than
give it to someone who is likely to spend it in a way they disapprove of,
that is their privilege.  I could have my IPhone or control of the money I
paid for it but not both.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tap TapSee

 

I don't get the first point. I would imagine most companies don't segregate
their revenue so that the revenue from a given product only goes against the
maintenance, support and development of that product. I assume any revenue a
company brings in could go against any of their product lines or their
business costs. For example, when I bought an iPhone, I didn't look across
all of Apple's products and say to myself, I don't think I'm ever going to
buy an Apple TV, and I don't want any money I'm using to buy this iPhone to
be used for Apple TV development, so I'll pass on buying an iPhone. Instead,
I look at the product or service and the price and decide if it's worth my
money or not. I admire the transparency in this case, but most companies
aren't that transparent when it comes to their revenue and product lines.

On 11/09/2013 02:27 PM, Jerry MAder wrote:

I won't be buying it only because, 1. I feel like the funds are going for an
app I'll never use.

It's not fair for us, as an IPhone community to pay for an Android based
app. That's something you should be finding other ways to fund it, not by
using your current Apple based app to do so, I think that's wrong. . 2. I
think that paying for a product like yours should be accurate, and every
time I've tried to take a picture of, for example, the thermostat to see
exactly what the temp is set to, all it gives me is the temp inside the
house, not the one that the thermostat is set to. Or when I take a picture
of say, a bottle of creamer to see if it's the kind of creamer I have
instead of the kind my sister drinks I couldn't get Tap Tap See to tell me
that either and I did move the bottle around and around to find the label.
No luck!

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

Jerry Mader

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tap TapSee

 

Arnold,

 

The subscriptions are being introduced over the next few days. We offer two
options. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99 with no time limit. Option 2)
1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your
Apple iTunes account. If you choose, for example, the 1 month unlimited
pack, then you will be prompted with a message to renew after that time
period runs out. Same goes for the 100 picture pack.

 

Best Wishes,

TapTapSee



On Friday, November 8, 2013 4:21:39 PM UTC-8, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

I have not been reading this thread, being that I had not accessed Tap Tap 
See in quite a while, although I very much like it and have kept it on my 
phone.  After reading some in this thread, I accessed it earlier today, 
after reading about its becoming a subscription service, to find out how 
much it costs.  There was nothing in it about needing to pay a fee to use it

now.  Please let me know the details about the subscription service and when

it begins.  Thanks in advance for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Love"  
To:  
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 6:16 PM 
Subject: Re: Tap TapSee 


> I'll happily pay for this service. So many times I need some eyes to help 
> me read something and no one is around. If I can get good dependable 
> service then why not. These people should get payed and the blind people 
> who are crying about it are making the rest of us look bad. Suck it up and

> pay for it!! 
> Andrea Love 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ron Pelletier"  
> To:  
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:41 PM 
> Subject: RE: Tap TapSee 
> 
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> You, yourself stated: 
>> "We took a lot of pics mostly for fun, but I'm not spending 120 a year 
>> for 
>> identifying a few cans for cooking. I'll go to other apps". 
>> 
>> I have to assume that you were not aware of your fun costing the 
>> developers 
>> money.  You certainly weren't the only one taking pictures for fun and 
>> now, 
>> the fun is over and we have to pay for a service that is well worth it. 
>> The 
>> developers paid for a whole year while we tested their app and, now that 
>> we 
>> have done our testing and know what the app is worth, its only fair that 
>> we 
>> take on the responsibility of paying for the service. 
>> 
>> Just a personal opinion 
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: vip...@googlegroups.

RE: red laser

[Wayne gmail]

Thanks for posting this.  I had a similar experience on two out of 5 scans
last night after I had installed the app.  Very strange but it did a great
job with the other three. 
  It isn't much harder to find the scan code with this than with my ID Mate
Summit.  My wife says that this is great but she doesn't plan to use it over
the Summit.  I'll probably do the same when convenient but gladly use the
Red Laser when I need to.  I'm not particularly worried about how much data
the big E will collect on me.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Caitlyn furness
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: red laser

this is what happened to me today.  I scanned a can of dog food and a can of
cat food.  All it could tell me was the usp code for both.  the cat food it
said that it was a nestle brand.  Neither of these things are off brand
things and are national brands.
Cait

On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:00 PM, John Diakogeorgiou 
wrote:

> Even with the latest update for several products I tried it just gave 
> the manufacturer not the actual product name.
> 
> On 11/13/13, Sandratomkins  wrote:
>> I wonder, do you have the latest update?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 13 Nov 2013, at 20:46, "Alan Paganelli" 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On my version of red lazor, there is a button labeled "bolt"  Why's
that?
>>> Beats me but if I double tap that, it takes the picture.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
>>> format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  
>>> Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Patti Johnson"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42 AM
>>> Subject: red laser
>>> 
>>> 
 I downloaded the app but can't get it to take any picture.  I have 
 the video part turned on, the light on, and yet I can't get it to 
 snap a picture.
 I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 Patti
 
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RE: Where to? IOS navigation app is on sale today for $0.99 (November 11, 2013)

[Wayne gmail]

Thanks Esther.  It is very accessible and looks to be a good adjunct to
Navigon and Google Maps.  It's POI categorization looks to be giving me a
lot more options than the Navigon onboard POI function.

Regards, 
Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Esther
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Where to? IOS navigation app is on sale today for $0.99 (November
11, 2013)

Hi All,
"Where To?" is on sale today for $0.99 "for a very limited time", reduced
from $2.99.  This is one of my favorite apps for POIs. I love the feature
they added two years ago for VoiceOver users where you get live updating on
direction and distance to a POI from the "Details" screen of the POI you
selected from your search. Where To? was the first of the POI helper apps
that let you send destination addresses directly to other navigation apps
like Navigon, TomTom, Google Maps, Apple Maps, Motion X GPS Drive, Hop Stop,
etc. (You can double tap the "Navigate" button for that POI to send the
address to a routing app of your choice.)

I also routinely use "Where To?" as a simple way to send addresses in my
contacts to these navigation apps.  While the search button on the main
screen is meant to let you either search for a POI in your search area by
name and/or address, or to input the location you want to search around,
it's also set up so you can flick to a "Bookmarks" button in the input
field, double tap, and access your Contacts in the normal way (including a
table index at the right for faster access). If you select a contact with an
address and double tap it, you also have the ability to send that address to
a routing app by simply double tapping the "Add button" in the bottom right
corner of the screen. (This is also the last element on the screen, so you
can navigate there with a four finger tap on the bottom half of the screen,
if you find that easier, then double tap to select it.). The "Routing Apps"
screen will list any navigation apps on your device that can accept the
address information, followed by a list of app store links to other
navigation apps that will accept its addresses below that.  Just flick to
the "Route" button for the app you want and double tap, and that navigation
app will launch with the address passed in.  I find the POI selections and
information from Where To? better than in Navigon and many other similar
navigation apps, and the ability to send addresses from my contacts without
typing in any addresses is also a plus.  If you actually want to search for
POIs around your contact address, instead of routing your address to a
navigation app, just double tap again to get back to the main screen, since
focus will be on the "Back" button, select your search category, and run
your search. Your results will be shown for the search location address
selected from your contacts. Switch to "list" viewing ("list" button just
above the "Home" button at the bottom of the screen) for most convenient
display mode.

You also have the option of switching the language used for the app's
screen, provided this is one of the languages in your language selection.
For example, if I use this app in France or Quebec, I might want to have the
search categories in French even if my iPhone is set to English.  I can set
this for "Where To?" in the  main Settings app, by changing "Categories"
from "System Language" to a specific language, like "French".

Works internationally, but most of East Asia, except for Japan, is not
covered, and only parts of Africa, I think.  Europe, North and South
America, Australia, etc. are well covered.

This is a great app.  It usually only goes on sale for about a day. Here's
the app store URL:
. Where To? -- Discover your next destination using GPS (on sale for $0.99,
usually $2.99) by FutureTap GmbH
https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/where-to-gps-points-interest/id314785156?mt=
8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Carol.  Not sure I understand your question.  Tap Tap See has been a free
app and service but has decided they need to charge to keep this service
going.  They will be charging $8 to receive and recognize 100 pictures.  Or
you can subscribe to a monthly service with unlimited number of pictures for
$10 per month.  Some members are objecting to having to pay at all.  Most
accept the need to pay but some object to having to pay for ongoing use of
the service.  There are also objections to being charged to interpret a
picture if it is too blurred for an interpreter to recognize what they are
seeing.  Tap Tap See must pay the interpreter for attempting to recognize
the object but some think that Tap Tap See should absorb the cost because
the user is blind.  There are others who object to paying for a picture when
the interpreter fails to provide useful information about it.  Currently
there is no way for the user to say exactly what information is required.
Tap Tap See points out that they must pay the interpreter even if they don't
provide enough information so the user must still pay for the picture.
   Some, like myself, feel that Tap Tap See has a right to set the terms and
conditions and also to decide how they will charge for the service.  The
user has the right to decide whether or not they wish to use the service and
pay for it.  Many have said they wouldn't mind paying for the app if they
could get unlimited use of the service for that flat price.  Tap Tap See
will still have the ongoing cost of paying the people who look at each
picture whether or not those people can provide useful information.  I guess
credit means a picture in this particular case.  It would be kinda nice if
folks would just decide whether they want the service enough to pay for it
and get on with life.  One can easily spend $8 or more in a trip to
Starbucks and no one seems to think it unfair that they are asked to do it
again every time they go back to Starbucks.  The only difference I see here
is that the customers are blind.  I guess I do see a point that we should be
given the chance to tell the interpreter what information we need and expect
them to provide that information or a reason why they cannot.  I would
expect Starbucks to take it back if I asked for coffee and they gave me
eggnog with no coffee in it.  Nevertheless I am willing to pay for the
service under the current terms and advocate with these very responsive
developers for improving the product.  They can't improve the product if
they go broke.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013,
at 04:37, Wayne gmail  wrote:

> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every 
> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the 
> app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide 
> if it is acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is 
> worth the money to him or her.  Should really does not really enter 
> it.  We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually 
> if that is how we choose to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.
Thanks.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
> 
> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions 
> on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they 
> should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to 
> use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should 
> not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not 
> centered enough to be of any use.
> 
> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
>> Cara,
>> 
>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we 
>> do not use volunteers.
>> 
>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with 
>> their
> iDevices.
>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
>> fo

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee  wrote:
> Cara,
>
> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
> not use volunteers.
>
> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
iDevices.
> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
>
> Best Wishes,
> TapTapSee
>
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
>>
>> HI John and All,
>>
>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
>> quite accurate.
>>
>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
>> the idea of
>>
>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
>> seriously.
>>
>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
>> returned to the customer.
>>
>>
>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
>> to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
>> by this
>>
>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
>> I do
>>
>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
>> these
>>
>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
>>
>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
>> CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
>> offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
>> will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
>> this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.
>>
>> I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
>> which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
>> for just this
>>
>> type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
>> service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
>> many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to 
>> power this app so that
>>
>> you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's 
>> always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you 
>> use so
>>
>> that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important 
>> for the
>>
>> visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately 
>> from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for 
>> necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically 
>> handed out for
>>
>> nothing or way over-priced.
>>
>> Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy 
>> currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! 
>> :)
>>
>> Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below!
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> Cara :)
>>
>> http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but 
>> that's 

RE: When will Apple take this seriously?

[Wayne gmail]

When I find myself having trouble with using the double tap to end a call I
go to the VO practice app.  After a few minutes work the double tap works a
lot better.  Thanks Apple for helping me help myself!
   I agree on the issue of the Evil Apple rants.  If I worked for Microsoft
I'd be smiling because now someone else gets to share the flames for having
made things better but not perfect.  
   Everyone has the right to whine and I exercise my rights just like
everyone else.  However, there is no inalienable right to be listened
to or taken seriously if we complain to  the wrong audience.  Please tell
Apple and Tap Tap See if you don't like them and don't buy their products!
It isn't my business whether or not you decide to purchase a particular
product unless that reason is due to the fact that a blind person cannot use
it.  If you warn me off or tell me workarounds, I am grateful but just
griping is way too much information.
  It isn't even advocacy if one just complains without providing a strategy
to make things better.  Doing that on this list would probably quickly and
correctly be judged an off topic discussion.  Anyone want to host a Don
Quixote with a white cane list?  
   This list has made the IPhone much more of an asset for me and it is a
great place for a lot of very nice people to share good information.
Unfortunately  it seems to take an ever larger chunk of time to sort out the
signal from the noise even with techniques of grouping messages and deleting
them. 

With sincerest regards to all sides of all debates,
Wayne
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously?

Hello,

Here is my summary of this entire thread:

The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth:

1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable
2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or
save it to contacts 3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.

Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in
general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't
work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally
accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a
number of ways.

As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very general
way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new iOS
to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he
argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. However,
this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to upgrade
to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your
phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who says
that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything or
twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. If
Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic
downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because at
that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already their
choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to
free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of pressure
there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for
getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone.

Now, as to the 4 items above:

1. Hanging up calls is unreliable
I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is
just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at
least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS 7
was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or mentioned
a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up.
There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and that
is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's
right there about the ome Key and to double tap it.
As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was hung
up or is still connected.

2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or
save it to contacts This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others
wrote also for them.
A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it, a
double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. I'd
really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think was
the one who posted that all of this didn't work.

3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I
don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google
searches andwas able 

RE: When will Apple take this seriously?

[Wayne gmail]

Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better.  IOS 6 started with bugs
and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and
improvements.  I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well.
After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new
to accessibility and shows it.

I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling
her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she
connected me.  We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them
because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into
serious money.  For me, I think IOS 7 is really great!

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously?

Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out
their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a
phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work
well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android
phone.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many
shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver
7 that were not in IOS6. 
> It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are
compromised. 
> 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended the call
but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing situations and also a drain
on my wallet due to large long distance call charges. 
> 2. When I get phone numbers in a text message, I should be able to call or
message or store the number with a tap. No! I could do it with my 6 year old
Nokia better. 
> 3. Entering data in a web form has become a nightmare. With my previous
phones running Talks I could do much better. I pay 10 times to get a iphone
and guess what? I can do less with it! Very frustrating.
> This list could go on and on. . . . New models will launch, new IOS
versions will roll out. . . But the shortcomings and bugs will stick with
us. Technology for the sake of technology. But no technology for the
visually challenged. Wish someone would charge more but make a phone that
works. With IOS7 AND IPHONE all one can do is pull ones hair out, welcome to
a bald world populated with buggy iphones!  
> 
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RE: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Any time we purchase a technology product we are usually paying partly for
development of new products.  Some of those new products may interest us and
some may not.  Some never survive the development process itself.

   If developers are innovative enough to create a product as nice as Tap
Tap See, they are likely to want to create other new things.  

   I personally hope part of my payments will help you revive the Android
version.  I don't plan on getting an Android device now but as the Android
accessibility improves that day may come.  I appreciate the fact that your
team is motivated by creation and growth.

  

  Good luck!

Wayne 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hello All,

 

I'd like to clear up the Android development confusion. As you have heard
many months ago, we mentioned that we want to bring TapTapSee to Android. We
began the developed some time ago. We then had to put it to a halt, due to
the current financial situation. At the moment, we do not have a set
timeline for when the Android version of TapTapSee will be released, or even
continued to be developed. We originally hoped to release it this year, but
now we're not sure if it will be released early next year or if at all. When
we said that some of the subscription may help finance that development, it
is not something that will happen right away. The thought is that it may
occur in the future. I will agree with you that maybe we shouldn't have
mentioned this in the first place, but we always prided ourselves on being
transparent and open with the community. This is also a big reason why we
actively participate in group conversation and are open to your questions,
as well as suggestions. 

 

Our main goal right now is to keep the iOS TapTapSee active! After we feel
that we can continue with our expansion of the app on other platforms, then
we will proceed. Again, I apologize for the confusion, but I hope that this
message cleared some of it up.

 

Best Wishes,

TapTapSee

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:27:01 AM UTC-8, ron.pelletier wrote:

Well guys, 

I totally agree.  Sometimes, silence is golden.  I certainly would have kept

quiet on that subject.  Now that I know that part of that amount is to 
support developing the Android app which I will never use, it makes me 
wonder why I should pay that full amount.  I am already paying a premium for

the use of an Apple product. 

Ron & Danvers 

-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:10 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: RE: TapTapSee 

John, 

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't 
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are

funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the 
developer should have kept that to themselves! 



-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
 ] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: TapTapSee 

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor 
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me 
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a 
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I 
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably 
never use. 

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee  > wrote: 
> Ann, 
> 
> Thank you for your support! 
> 
> Best Wishes, 
> 
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote: 
>> 
>>  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile* 
>> 
>> Thanks so much for this wonderful app! 
>> 
>> Ann 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* Troy Sullivan  
>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM 
>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
>> 
>> I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
>> yet but  when I do I will. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* Alan Paganelli  
>> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM 
>> *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
>> 
>> I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
>> pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
>> was 
just for fun. 
>> 
>> I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
>> sighted 
>> 
>> son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
>> just to 
>> 
>> see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
>> recall, 
>> 
>> that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture 
>> taking has been based on need to know rather th

RE: Tap Tap See and Cam find

[Wayne gmail]

I have both apps and usually try Cam Find first.  However, there are times
when I use Tap Tap See if I don't like the Cam Find results or I just need a
quicker, simpler answer.

   I've always wondered how a crowd sourced app like TTS could happen for
free and I will certainly pay the 100 at a time price.  At my current usage
rate it will last months although I may actually end up using it a bit more.
Somehow I find it easier to ask for help if I am repaying the efforts of the
people I ask in some way even if it is a small way.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tap Tap See and Camfind

 

Hello List,

 

Just I throw this out for those who are not wanting to pay for Tap Tap See.
The same developer, Image Searcher, also makes an app called Camfind. It
basically does the same thing as Tap Tap See except it is not made for the
blind and is meant to be used by sighted people to identify stuff, do
product and price comparisons etc.

 

Camfind is not quite as simple or uncluttered as Tap Tap See, but it is
accessible and it is still a free app at this point. I don't know if Image
Searcher will make it a paid app, I doubt, however, it would go on a
subscription model because there are other apps like this and while Camfind
is rated highly and apparently works better than others, I don't think most
people would want to pay a monthly fee for this. I could see the app going
to be a paid app down the road, maybe 99 Cents or $1.99, but as I said, it's
free now so maybe not a bad idea to grab it and add it to your arsenal of
image and object recognition artillery.

Here is the app store link:

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/camfind-search-your-camera/id595857716?mt=8

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

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RE: BARD Mobile app question

[Wayne gmail]

Thanks for that information.  Maybe I just got a couple of bad downloads
since I had to download them a second time after the site was working again.
I really couldn't see what would be the point of delaying validation till
you actually opened the book.  After all that should happen before allowing
the user to make use of the download resources.

Regards,

Wayne

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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD Mobile app question

I had no trouble with the BARD books on my phone even during the shutdown,
they all four opened, I could play them and two had never been opened
before, just downloaded through the app.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Wayne gmail
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD Mobile app question

Hi Russ.  I think it is activated the first time you open it after it is
downloaded.  When we had the government shut down, I had two books which I
had put on my IPhone but not opened when I tried to read them when the web
site was down, I got a book not authorized message.  When they brought the
site back up I was able to open them but had to redownload them to make it
work.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD Mobile app question

The book is activated when it is downloaded.

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From: Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD Mobile app question

My understanding is that a book needs to be activated the first time you
open it. As long as you have already opened the book once, and it was
activated that first time, you should be fine. I could be wrong, and I have
not been following this thread closely so I may be repeating someone else's
comments, but there you go in any case.
On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:

> Hi Susan.
>
> It doesn't matter what player you have for the NLS, you will be able 
> to navigate the way you'd like.
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RE: BARD Mobile app question

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Russ.  I think it is activated the first time you open it after it is
downloaded.  When we had the government shut down, I had two books which I
had put on my IPhone but not opened when I tried to read them when the web
site was down, I got a book not authorized message.  When they brought the
site back up I was able to open them but had to redownload them to make it
work.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD Mobile app question

The book is activated when it is downloaded.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD Mobile app question

My understanding is that a book needs to be activated the first time you
open it. As long as you have already opened the book once, and it was
activated that first time, you should be fine. I could be wrong, and I have
not been following this thread closely so I may be repeating someone else's
comments, but there you go in any case.
On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:

> Hi Susan.
>
> It doesn't matter what player you have for the NLS, you will be able 
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> kmi...@windstream.net
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RE: Running more than one GPS app at once

[Wayne gmail]

Frequently I run Blind Square in background with Navigon in the foreground.
Usually I filter BS for streets only and get my turn by turn from Navigon.
Sometimes I use streets and places in BS just as an exploring the world sort
of thing but that mostly interferes with my ability to converse with others
in the car.
   It is interesting sometimes to see the effect of running Navigon in a
taxi cab.  With some cab drivers I know well, we run competing GPS to
compare the results.  On the other hand we also frequently hear a lot of "at
the next opportunity make a U turn".

Regards,
Wayne

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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:48 AM
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Subject: Running more than one GPS app at once

Hi all,

For those who find yourselves running more than one GPS app at once, I'm
wondering about a couple of things.

. Do you run more than one app so you can easily switch between them or do
you run more than one app because you want one to run completely in the
background, or for some other reason? I.E. Perhaps one gives you some
background functionality that the other does not?

. What are your favorite apps to run together?

. what features / functions of the above apps do you find that complement
each other nicely? I.E. Does one app announce cross streets whereas another
app announces POIs? etc.

Thanks so much to you all and have a lovely day!

Smiles,

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RE: In praise of IGoggle

[Wayne gmail]

How embarrassing!  Yes that the one.  It is just Goggles on my IPhone but I
just Googled it and that is it.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: In praise of IGoggle

 

Are you talking about "talking goggles?"

I don't find anything called iGoggles.

 


Richard

(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)


On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:34 AM, "Wayne gmail "  wrote:

 

 

After reading about it on this list I decided to give IGoggle a try on my
IPhone 3gs.  When I upgraded to an IPhone 5 I found that it worked better
but didn't find it all that useful until a couple of days ago.  I am now
awfully glad I have it!

   When a Windows update went very wrong on my netbook I spent about three
days where all speech was gone and many attempts at cold reboots did not
help and probably made things worse.  Finally it got to a point where I
couldn't detect any drive activity and wasn't even sure it was coming on.
Decided to try IGoggle and I was able to use it to determine enough about
what was going on to fumble around and hit the right function key to
overcome the error message and get it to do a complete and successful reboot
with speech.  Unfortunately I couldn't get it to read the entire screen in a
truly coherent manner which eliminated all guesswork and luck but it did
give me enough information to let me use my prior experience with Windows to
get things fixed.

   So I have a great big thank you for the developer of IGoggle!

 

Regards,

Wayne 

 

 

 

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RE: BlindSquare, A Disappointment

[Wayne gmail]

Joe, you have a legitimate point of view and I am inclined to agree that the
price is a bit out of line for what it actually does.  I respectfully do
have to question whether this would be an appropriate refund instance.  I
strongly believe that a refund is in order when we purchase an app which a
blind person cannot use because it doesn't work with VO and we had no way to
determine this in advance.
   However, BS does work with VO and there are a number of podcasts on what
it does and how on Applevis.  An especially good one was produced by the
developer and I found it well worth the time before I decided to purchase
it.  If it doesn't do everything you hoped it would I can readily understand
your disappointment.  However, most software is sold with a caveat that
there is no promise that it will do everything you might choose to use it
for.  The developer can produce an app, describe what it does in it's
description and be held accountable for doing what was promised.  The
developer has no control of the purchaser's expectations and if they extend
beyond what was promised they can't really be held accountable.
   I can't recall what I paid for the app but I do agree that $24 is a bit
too high for what it does in the context of what else is out there.  I do
find it useful and at times I find it funny.  I use it's pedometer
functionality on my neighborhood walk to pace myself.  I also found it funny
when I got to an intersection I had been to thousands of times over the last
30 years and BS informed me that the Easy Lounge - My Boudoir was 450 feet
away at 11 o'clock.  I decided I didn't want to go there but it was a good
laugh in a rather staid middle class inner city neighborhood.  Found it
interesting to use along with Navigon to see some of the things along the
way to the places I go.  I learned that some places were actually in a
totally different part of Dallas than I had thought.  Not essential
information to this taxi traveler but interesting.
   Bottom line of course is that the app is worthwhile to some of us and
totally a waste of money to others.  When they can't sell it at the current
price, they will sell it cheaper  and the point at which the price is right
will differ for different customers.  For a lot of people on this list the
right price would be less than zero because they simply do not need or want
what it does.  In any case, you are perfectly appropriate to express your
opinion and perhaps prevent someone else with similar needs from wasting his
or her money.  Such posts are a major reason a lot of us subscribe to the
list in the first place.

Regards,
Wayne

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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BlindSquare, A Disappointment

Joe, I have been a user since release, so I paid much less. I certainly
would not have paid the asking $24. Many times, much of what I pay for these
sorts of accessible apps I write off as donating to the cause, anyway, and
find many of them not to be worth the $10 or so they charge.

Let me first say much of this is naturally a part of not practicing with any
app, but the times I have needed BS I have found it lacking, too. When I
really needed to know where I was or find an address, I was bombarded with
unnecessary and useless information. For instance, while walking on the side
of the street I knew a business to be on, I was constantly told the stadium
was at 2:00 or 5:00, and I knew the stadium was on the other side of the
street. Then, when I thought I was pretty close to my destination, I was
given a range of street numbers, even though I discovered where I was going
was on a corner. I could understand that range given mid block... This
instance of unreliability was particularly glaring to me at the time as I
was in an unfamiliar area and it was late at night, so I wanted to promptly,
confidently get to my address. Again, had I taken BS to this neighborhood
during a leisurely walk and had time to become familiar with how it worked,
it would have worked a little better for me that late night. But, if I knew
all that, I would not have needed BS anyway.

That is just one instance when I felt I was let down by the app when used in
situations I expect it was meant to handle. The other thing I find so
frustrating is the time it takes to gather and report information. It is not
always conducive to stand on a corner 30 seconds or so while the app figures
out where you are; especially not near midnight.

The thing I do find best about it is being able to simulate a location. I am
not sure what other apps do this, but it is fun and somewhat useful. One
thing I would like to find, and maybe something I don't currently use does
this, is to simulate travel along a block and be told what businesses you
would be passing. It would be quite useful for picturing where a given
location is on a route you plan to travel.

Er

In praise of IGoggle

[Wayne gmail]

 

 

After reading about it on this list I decided to give IGoggle a try on my
IPhone 3gs.  When I upgraded to an IPhone 5 I found that it worked better
but didn't find it all that useful until a couple of days ago.  I am now
awfully glad I have it!

   When a Windows update went very wrong on my netbook I spent about three
days where all speech was gone and many attempts at cold reboots did not
help and probably made things worse.  Finally it got to a point where I
couldn't detect any drive activity and wasn't even sure it was coming on.
Decided to try IGoggle and I was able to use it to determine enough about
what was going on to fumble around and hit the right function key to
overcome the error message and get it to do a complete and successful reboot
with speech.  Unfortunately I couldn't get it to read the entire screen in a
truly coherent manner which eliminated all guesswork and luck but it did
give me enough information to let me use my prior experience with Windows to
get things fixed.

   So I have a great big thank you for the developer of IGoggle!

 

Regards,

Wayne 

 

 

 

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RE: What app's do you use the most on a daily basis?

[Wayne gmail]

I installed it yesterday after seeing posts about it on this list.  I was
not very impressed with the accessibility.  I did manage to get it to
display a lot of top story headlines which was my interest so I'll play with
it some more over the next few days before deciding whether or not to
delete.

Regards,
Wayne

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:28 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: What app's do you use the most on a daily basis?

Has the accessibility of AP Mobile improved over the past year or so? It was
kind of spotty accessibility for me when I first tried it.

Thanks.

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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What app's do you use the most on a daily basis?

Bard Mobile: for NLS Talking Bookse
24-7 Football: NFL football news etc.
AP Mobile: A news app
Blind Bargains: Has classified adds too.
Drop Box
Eye Note: A money identifier appNote: can read the new hundred dollar bill
too.
Disteno Games: Accessible games from the days of DOS.
Tap Tap See

Those are just a few. 

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RE: Trust this computer

[Wayne gmail]

It is happening to me too.  I just tell it to trust and move on.

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Teresa Christian
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Trust this computer

I am having the same problem with the trust this computer message. How can I 
make it stop?

On 10/13/13, Alan Paganelli  wrote:
> I have both XP and iOS 7 on my iPhone 4 and am not experiencing this.  
> I get the trust message but once I double tap don't trust, I never see 
> it again until I connect my iPhone 4 to my computer.  Usually just to charge 
> it.
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> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for 
> listening!
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Tom Rash
>   To: viphone
>   Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:34 AM
>   Subject: Trust this computer
>
>
>   Is anyone having this trouble.  When I plug in my iPhone via the US 
> cord to my computer, I keep getting the trust this computer message.  
> After I hit trust, it keeps coming back, about a dozen times.  Is the 
> problem my computer or something with the iPhone.
>   I'm using a PC with XP.  Also using IOS 7 on the iPhone 4S.  Thanks.
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RE: Accessible pedometer apps

[Wayne gmail]

On the other hand, when I get on the treadmill, I often find that when I
have double tapped the start/ pause button and started walking, it didn't
actually start and my distance covered in my walk is zero.  Discouraging
news as you wipe away the sweat I can tell you!  If anyone can give me a
hint on how I know I've really got it started I would really appreciate it.
I would also appreciate corroboration or correction that you cannot leave
the app and load something else and have it run in the background.  Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps

Hi, not only that, but pedometer apps which rely on gps have 2 flaws. 1,
they don't work on treadmills, 2 they don't work reliably even if you are
walking outside because of how gps doesn't track exact movement and it can't
figure out where you go until you have moved usually 30 feet or more in one
direction. What if you decide to do your walking in circles?

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On 10/7/2013 8:49 AM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> Thanks for those that recommended apps. I ultimatley decided on 
> iTreadMill, since though it has a lot of options on what to track, it 
> also had what I was looking for. Unlike other apps, it does not appear 
> to use GPS and thus drain battery, which is also good.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
> On 10/7/13, Rose Combs  wrote:
>> I have it now, but not quite sure how to begin will get it figured 
>> out sometime but not this morning.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Accessible pedometer apps
>>
>> iTreadmill is a good one.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:06 PM
>> To: viphone
>> Subject: Accessible pedometer apps
>>
>> Greetings. I am wanting to get an accessible pedometer app. I have 
>> tried searching on the App Store but over 300 results show up. I've 
>> looked on AppleVis, but most of the apps that come up are several 
>> years old. I want an ap that will count my steps and tell me the 
>> distance that i have walked. I do not want one of the exercise games.
>> Also,if the app were free that would be good too. I have an iPhone 5 
>> with iOS 7, for whatever that's worth.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wayne
>>
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RE: Bard and my experience today

[Wayne gmail]

I downloaded two books last night but did not start listening to either of
them.  Since I did not do so, they did not get validated with Bard through
the app.  Now I get a message that the book is not authorized.  The book I
had already started works fine.

  Lesson learned:  Don't just download a book before a shut down.  Actually
start reading it at least long enough to trigger the validation.

  As to all the political and international sniping, I wish folks would just
get a life!  Life goes on and some days are diamonds and some days are
rocks.. I'm sure someone said that before me.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shawn
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bard and my experience today

 

Well as of about 10am central time Bard stopped working.


Due to the temporary shutdown of the federal government,
the Library of Congress is closed to the public and researchers beginning
October 1, 2013 until further notice.


All public events are cancelled and web sites are inaccessible
except the legislative information sites  
THOMAS.gov and   beta.congress.gov.


 

 

So I was like oh crap well I'll use dropbox to load some books I downloaded
on my computer to put on my Bard Mobile app.  I got it loaded and it told me
I'm not authorized to read this material, so it looks like you can not load
new content onto your Bard mobile app until the shutdown is over according
to my experiences, if anyone has any other work arounds for the Bard mobile
app I'd love to hear them.

 

thanks

shawn

 

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RE: timer in IOS 7

[Wayne gmail]

In the meantime, you can accomplish pretty much the same thing by saying
Siri wake me in one half  hour for the medium  cooking item.  Then say Siri,
wake me in one hour for the longer cooking item.  That with the timer for
the short item should get you there as a work around.

 

Regards,

Wayne  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: timer in IOS 7

 

Hello Jen,

 

Exactly, there has been a count-down timer on iPhone's for years, for all I
know it's been there since the beginning. It is one of the tabs in the Clock
app just like Worldclock, Alarms and Stopwatch. 

You can set it using SIRI simply by saying "Set the timer for 10 minutes" or
whatever you want the time to be.

Only thing missing is the ability to set multiple timers like you can set
multiple alarms. Often when you are cooking something you might have
something in the oven which takes a long time, but maybe you then want to
set a second timer for something else. This is one thing I thought about
yesterday and I'll have to send it in via the feedback web form so hopefully
Apple will have received a few more requests for this and implement it maybe
in iOS 8.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of MamaPeach
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: timer in IOS 7

 

Probably the timer inside the clock app that comes on all iDevices.

 

From: Jen Colley   

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:13 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: timer in IOS 7

 

What timer are you speaking of?  

Jen  

 

From: Paul and Paula Jordan   

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 8:00 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: timer in IOS 7

 

Hi, all. I've found something in IOS 7 that I like very much.  I use the
timer this evening for the first time in a while.  I found that I could
check the status of the timer while it's running from the locked screen
easily, and was able to find the button to stop the timer also on the locked
screen quite easily.  Will use it more now.

God bless!

Paula and Babe

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RE: how to transfer directly between BARD APP and pc

[Wayne gmail]

The best solution is to just download from the wish list directly into the
app.  You can download it from your browser directly into your computer if
you want it both places.  I doubt that the Bard app has anything like the
whisper-sync feature that Amazon/Audible has for their books.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tony
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to transfer directly between BARD APP and pc

 

Thanks for the answer.  I have installed the programs and transferred a BARD
zip file but can't figure how to get it into the BARD app.

 

Help please.

 

Tony

 

 

From: Rob [mailto:musicmaker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:04 PM
To: t...@k5twz.com
Subject: re: how to transfer directly between BARD APP and pc

 

Hi,
I use a free app called UbiDisk.
Easily transfer files from PC to your I Devices.

It even comes with a free windows program with a context menu allowing you
to select a file on your PC, press the applications key then choose easy
push to send that file to your iPhone.
Remember the Bard books must be zipped before sending to the iPhone.

UbiDisk is great and has many uses!
http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/utilities/ubidisk-file-manager-downloader-e
asypush


Thanks,
Rob

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I have a number BARD books on my PC and get magazines and other
books on the cartridges.  

 

I have WIFI and USB connections between the iPhone and the PC.

 

How do I transfer books?

 

Tony

 

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RE: bard questions

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Cara.  Thanks for your insights into what is happening with this.
I haven't experienced this again lately and I'll keep this in mind if or
when I do.  I know that it is supposed to start or stop audio functions in
apps being used at the time but I didn't think it would actually launch
audio apps which were not already running.  If that is the intent though,
the behavior makes sense.  As I think back over a longer time span, I seem
to have had a problem with 3GS launching music when I was trying to make a
call by voice command.  Caused me to mutter about paper cups and strings
from time to time but never caused me to seriously consider changing my
phone.
   On balance I am very pleased with the new IOS and will have to see this
issue crop up more than I have so far before adding to the avalanche of
feedback emails.
   I do agree with you that the end users should not be forced to act as
beta testers and product launches should not take place with known serious
bugs.  An update as highly publicized as the IOS 7 would be very hard to
postpone so an awful lot of thought should go into realistic goals in
accessibility improvements with a major upgrade.  The CICD approach
mentioned in another post might come into play to add these improvements in
7.05 or 7.1where the company would not be doing a release with the whole
world watching.  I would vote for a delay in accessibility upgrades for six
months or so if it meant a better product with more complete beta testing by
those who want to be beta testers.
Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bard questions

The two-finger double tap always starts / stops audio when you do it from
the home screens. This could be audio you're listening to in the audible app
or music (or radio) from your iTunes library.

I don't know if this would apply to third party radio apps but I do know
this works with the music and audible apps.

HTH

Cara :)
On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Wayne gmail  wrote:

I can't recall for sure.  When it first happened, it loaded a tune I
accidentally bought a couple of years ago.  I deleted that and I think it
may have been radio but not sure.  I don't have music on my IPhone.  Why
would it start any music if the music app isn't running?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bard questions

For what it's worth, I'm betting that the two-finger double tap from your
home screens will start whatever audio you were last playing in the music
app.

So in the case this is starting iTunes Radio, was that the last audio you
were playing when in the Music app?

Thanks,

Cara :)
On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:48 AM, "Wayne gmail "  wrote:

I personally think there is a bug in ITunes radio involved here as well.  It
has happened while on the home screen or  in the applications manager on my
phone and my wife's phone as well.  Within apps such as Bard, they can apply
the api Carmen mentioned and fix it, but if it happens on Apple native apps,
I can't help something is happening to cause ITunes radio to fire outside
the music app and this doesn't seem like a desirable event.

Regards,
Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of alia robinson
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bard questions

this hasn't been true for me. sometimes you can, and sometimes it starts
itunes radio. I even took all my music off hoping it would only do
play/pause on the bard app, but no, it sometimes opens itunes radio and
plays songs there instead, and sometimes it starts and stops the bard app
playing. 

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Joseph FreeTech 
wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> After you press the Play/Stop button on the Bard player, you can very 
> reliably pause and play with a 2-finger double-tap.

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RE: bard questions

[Wayne gmail]

I can't recall for sure.  When it first happened, it loaded a tune I
accidentally bought a couple of years ago.  I deleted that and I think it
may have been radio but not sure.  I don't have music on my IPhone.  Why
would it start any music if the music app isn't running?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bard questions

For what it's worth, I'm betting that the two-finger double tap from your
home screens will start whatever audio you were last playing in the music
app.

So in the case this is starting iTunes Radio, was that the last audio you
were playing when in the Music app?

Thanks,

Cara :)
On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:48 AM, "Wayne gmail "  wrote:

I personally think there is a bug in ITunes radio involved here as well.  It
has happened while on the home screen or  in the applications manager on my
phone and my wife's phone as well.  Within apps such as Bard, they can apply
the api Carmen mentioned and fix it, but if it happens on Apple native apps,
I can't help something is happening to cause ITunes radio to fire outside
the music app and this doesn't seem like a desirable event.

Regards,
Wayne

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Of alia robinson
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:09 AM
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Subject: Re: bard questions

this hasn't been true for me. sometimes you can, and sometimes it starts
itunes radio. I even took all my music off hoping it would only do
play/pause on the bard app, but no, it sometimes opens itunes radio and
plays songs there instead, and sometimes it starts and stops the bard app
playing. 

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Joseph FreeTech 
wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> After you press the Play/Stop button on the Bard player, you can very 
> reliably pause and play with a 2-finger double-tap.

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RE: bard questions

[Wayne gmail]

I personally think there is a bug in ITunes radio involved here as well.  It
has happened while on the home screen or  in the applications manager on my
phone and my wife's phone as well.  Within apps such as Bard, they can apply
the api Carmen mentioned and fix it, but if it happens on Apple native apps,
I can't help something is happening to cause ITunes radio to fire outside
the music app and this doesn't seem like a desirable event.

Regards,
Wayne

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Of alia robinson
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bard questions

this hasn't been true for me. sometimes you can, and sometimes it starts
itunes radio. I even took all my music off hoping it would only do
play/pause on the bard app, but no, it sometimes opens itunes radio and
plays songs there instead, and sometimes it starts and stops the bard app
playing. 

Alia
On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Joseph FreeTech 
wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> After you press the Play/Stop button on the Bard player, you can very 
> reliably pause and play with a 2-finger double-tap.

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RE: The "80/20 Rule"

[Wayne gmail]

I've heard the 80 / 20 rule applied to almost any kind of human activity
ranging from development to sales to learning, to religious spirituality.
What I haven't heard yet is a shred of evidence that the rule is
true.  I'm an optimist about humanity and think that 70 / 30 is more
correct but freely admit this is my opinion only.
Regards,
Wayne

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Subject: The "80/20 Rule"

There's a rule of thumb in software development (actually, any type of
product development) that 80% of the beneficial functionality is achieved
with 20% of the effort.  To realize the remaining 20% benefit, 80% more
effort can be expected to be spent to achieve that.

Another anecdotal tale here regarding software development; when I worked at
Bell Labs I recall seeing a cartoon-like diagram of the software development
process depicting six faces ranging from an ape-like humanoid to a quite
sophisticated looking Western European gentleman with various forms of
evolutionary stages of human ancestry.  The notion being portrayed in the
caricature of software development as an evolving process.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Silence is the sleep that nourishes wisdom."
- Sir Francis Bacon, English philosopher, statesman, scientist, jurist,
orator and author, 1561-1626 

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new update 7.02 RE: Possible Fix for iOS 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

[Wayne gmail]

And the good news is that Apple has just released ios7.02.

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Subject: Possible Fix for ios 7 was: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6

I have actually done this with  iPhone 4.  Some how, some way I got a glitch
in the system where I couldn't performed a sync job between my computer and
my phone.  The only way to fix the problem was to perform a restore from
backup.  To put it in context, I was about as nervous as a bride groom in
church five minutes before the ceremony.  After the Dior warnings which
didn't help my 0peace of mind, I hit the enter key and thought may God favor
the foolish!

Friends, this is not something you want to do when your short of time.  I
don't remember how long mine took but I seem to recall something approaching
a week but then again that may have been due to my fear.  When the dust and
the smoke settled and a couple of stiff drinks, my iPhone had been restored
to the way it was that date the backup was made.  I lost one or two apps
that I had installed sense that backup but none of my 17 GB worth of music. 
The apps were easily restored and I am here to tell you the story.

Now here is something else too.  Before installing ios 7 on my iPhone 4, I
decided I would  iClean which has already been discussed on this list and I
highly recommend.  I had freed up 997 MB just under a gig.  Last night I was
thinking I wonder how many temp files and such get left behind when you lay
one system over the other and could iClean fix any problems in ios 7?  To my
amazement, it removed 198 MB worth of temp files.  Ok so I've got another 2
hundred megs free.  I don't quite understand what happened here and maybe
smarter folks then I can explained it but my iPhone 4 and ios 7 now run with
out that strange slow down thing.  Sometimes I'd try to flick up to get to
the next page of apps and find myself 2 pages away or be reading something
in an app and get kicked out of the app for no apparent reason.  I've
haven't tried everything because I just started playing with this but at
first glance, things seem to be greatly improved.
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Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
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website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

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From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Want to Downgrade to IOS6


> If you update your phone through iTunes, there is a copy of your OS on 
> your computer but locating it is not always a small feat.
>
> -And, at this point, this is moot anyway.
>
> However, for future reference, whether or not you back up your phone, as 
> long as you update your phone's software using iTunes, you'll have a copy 
> of your OS on your system, so you can restore to it, should you need.
>
> If you would like more detail on this feel free to ask. Otherwise, Google 
> is your friend.
>
> Have a nice evening!
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara :)
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Jack Conti  wrote:
>
> Scott i don't believe the  os gets backed up.  at least thats what i read.
> At 09:44 AM 9/25/2013, you wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think that I would like to downgrade back to IOS6.  I always do IOS 
>> upgrades through iTunes so that I have a backup on my computer.  If I 
>> restore my backup from just before the upgrade, will it restore the 
>> operating system back to IOS6?
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>>
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RE: two finger double tap, and what plays in bard mobile

[Wayne gmail]

Thanks Cara.  I assume by developers you mean Apple since this is happening
in iOS native apps and home screen.  Think I should send this to
accessibility or maybe Apple's support?

 

Regards, 

Wayne

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two finger double tap, and what plays in bard mobile

 

Actually the developers can fix this issue very easily by implementing a
certain method in their code.

 

If you like, you can advise them to look in the UIAccessibility Action
Protocol Reference. The method is called accessibilityPerformMagicTap.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Smiles,

 

Cara :)

On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Wayne gmail  wrote:

 

Not sure it is an NLS problem.  Both my wife and I have had issues of music
starting with a double tap when on the home screen or in a totally unrelated
app like phone.  Thing is, neither of us have any music on our phones.
Actually we did have a song by Uncle Cracker which I had accidentally bought
about 3 years ago.  So I deleted it and it still happens although it is not
that song now.  I'm speculating it is IRadio somehow getting kicked off
instead of whatever we are trying to do.

 

Regards,

Wayne

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:09 AM
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Cc:  <mailto:nlsdownl...@loc.gov> nlsdownl...@loc.gov
Subject: two finger double tap, and what plays in bard mobile

 

Hi,

Sometimes, when I'm in bard mobile, and give a 2-finger double tap, my book
plays and pauses as I would expect.  Other times, when I'm in bard mobile, a
two-finger double tap starts and stops either music from the music library,
or sometimes audio from downcast.  I can't pinpoint what causes two finger
double tap to sometimes work and sometimes not.  To complicate issues, I've
listened to audio through Bluetooth, through wired headphones, and directly
connected to a dock.  I haven't used the app long enough  to figure out the
conditions under which bard mobile won't play its own content when double
tapped, but if others are experiencing this, perhaps we can bring it to
nls's attention  I am running IOS 6 still, on an iPhone 4s.

Thanks for any help.

 

Michael

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RE: two finger double tap, and what plays in bard mobile

[Wayne gmail]

Not sure it is an NLS problem.  Both my wife and I have had issues of music
starting with a double tap when on the home screen or in a totally unrelated
app like phone.  Thing is, neither of us have any music on our phones.
Actually we did have a song by Uncle Cracker which I had accidentally bought
about 3 years ago.  So I deleted it and it still happens although it is not
that song now.  I'm speculating it is IRadio somehow getting kicked off
instead of whatever we are trying to do.

 

Regards,

Wayne

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Malver
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: nlsdownl...@loc.gov
Subject: two finger double tap, and what plays in bard mobile

 

Hi,

Sometimes, when I'm in bard mobile, and give a 2-finger double tap, my book
plays and pauses as I would expect.  Other times, when I'm in bard mobile, a
two-finger double tap starts and stops either music from the music library,
or sometimes audio from downcast.  I can't pinpoint what causes two finger
double tap to sometimes work and sometimes not.  To complicate issues, I've
listened to audio through Bluetooth, through wired headphones, and directly
connected to a dock.  I haven't used the app long enough  to figure out the
conditions under which bard mobile won't play its own content when double
tapped, but if others are experiencing this, perhaps we can bring it to
nls's attention  I am running IOS 6 still, on an iPhone 4s.

Thanks for any help.

 

Michael

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RE: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's FaceBook page

[Wayne gmail]

Might want to double check the version.  I was getting that same message
shortly before I checked and found the new update available.  Downloaded the
new one and everything worked fin.  Didn't lose any books either.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Harry Bell
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's
FaceBook page

 

I have downloaded the latest update and now when I want it to read text out
loud it tells me there is No Voice Available. Am I missing something?

Sent from my iPhone


On 16 Sep 2013, at 23:45, Richard Turner  wrote:


Well, the app store came through, the Voice Dream Reader update for version
2.8.3 which takes care of the iOS 7 issue, Is in the app store, so no
worries about upgrading your devices.

 

 

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RE: Voice dream reader update is in the App Store

[Wayne gmail]

Yup.  Downloaded and installed it a little while ago.  Couse the extra ios7
voices won't be there until the iOS upgrade.  Earlier in the day I could not
use DR because no voice was available so I suspect the app was being
enabled.  My thanks to the developer for such a classy to approach a tricky
situation.

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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice dream reader update is in the App Store

I just noticed that the voice dream reader update for iOS 7 is in the App
Store. Thought you might like to know.

-Len

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RE: A Different Headphone Question

[Wayne gmail]

Even better.  The Aftershokz Bluez are bone conduction headphones so they
don't even cover the outside of the ears.  They rest on the cheekbones and
the earpiece goes over the ears and behind the head.  They are pretty cool
but a little pricey.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Different Headphone Question

 

aftershokz Bluez.

 

Andy

 

From: Terrie Terlau   

Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: A Different Headphone Question

If any of you know of something that will do the following, it will save me
a lot of time and heartache searching and reading reviews.

My ideal headphones:

1. Not earbuds because I wear hearing aids; I need flat foam earpieces that
are on the outside of the ear but do not go into the ear canal.

 

2. Bluetooth

3. Will be able to connect wirelessly with a blue tooth computer.

4. Will be able to connect wirelessly to the iPhone 5

5. Will have a microphone and a button that will answer and end calls on
iPhone 5

6 Will pick up voice over, phone calls, and music from iPhone 5

 

Am I dreaming or do any of you know if such a thing exists and what it might
be called so that I can find it?

Thanks much.

Terrie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ear pieces.

 

I would recommend the Blueant Q3. At first, there were some issues about
functionality with the iPhone 5, but from what I read, those issues have
been solved. 

Andy

 

From: Sandra Heaton   

Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:52 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: ear pieces.

Hi all,

 

Does anyone know of a single ear piece that is suitable for an iphone 4S
all I want it for is to receive calls and text messages.  Is it possible
also to get a wireless one so I don't have wires dangling everywhere.  Plus
one that just loops over the ear.

 

If anyone has any recommendations I would be grateful to hear them. 

 

cheers   and thank you.

Sandra 
Braille Greeting Cards
www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk

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RE: Battery usage with Audible app.

[Wayne gmail]

Actually the Navigon app allows you to store the maps on the phone which is
what I do.  You can choose whether or not to update the maps and which ones
to update as well.  Generally though it is a battery drainer even with the
onboard maps.
Regards,
Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery usage with Audible app.

Your estimate for stand alone GPS devices 2 to 4 hours is way off the mark. 
I personally own3 stand alone units and 2 of them deliver 8 hours of
continuous use and one with an extra long life battery can deliver even
longer usage time.  Stand alone GPS systems for the blind update their maps
every few years. I have a GPS app on my iPhone as well.  However, when your
using a GPS where the maps are not resident on the device, it's an accident
waiting to happen.  Get into an area where there is no cell signal and there
goes your GPS.  With a stand alone GPS for the blind, you won't have that
problem.  I also understand that people are all different and just because I
can is a common thing today.  So, I choose to have both at hand.
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Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
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the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
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- Original Message -
From: "Joanne Chua" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Battery usage with Audible app.


I think it is not so much about the app itself, but its about how you use 
it. One would have thought, apps like audible podcast, music and that will 
take up the same amount of battery. Then, you have other apps, e.g. GPS apps

that could run in the background, or use location services, that could also 
take up the reasonable amount of battery as well.
Yes, indeed, like Christopher said, one can also use different device for 
different task. That could help saving your battery. However, if you do 
that, what is the need for having an iPhone or iPad? you might just get an 
EReader, daisy player, cheap phone that able you to phone and text, stand 
alone gps unit, etc.
Bare in mind though, average stand alone gps unit could last you somewhare 
around 2 to 4 hours, Average low cost phone could have around 1  or 2 weeks 
stand by time, a daisy player could last you about 10 to 16 hours battery 
per charge, and well, you might get lots more hours from a EReader.
At the end of the day, you will still having battery issue regardless of 
what device you use. Its all about how you use it.
The way i preserve my battery is by making sure i close all the unnecesarry 
apps and remove them from the app switcher and having my screen brightness 
to 0%
Also, if my battery gets rediculously low, like below 10% for example, i 
usually have my device  on fly mode. Although, to be honest, i'm not sure if

fly mode does help to preserve some battery.

Joanne Chua
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Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

On 14/09/2013, at 11:01, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> I don't think anyone expressed a concern that the BARD Mobile app would 
> excessibley drain an iPhone battery. I think the point was that when you 
> use multiple devices for various tasks then you will be spreading out your

> battery drain across multiple devices. This is just one example why 
> someone might want to use a book reader for reading books, an MP3 player 
> to listen to music and an iPhone to test and make phone calls. I don't 
> think there's any concern that the BARD Mobile app or any book reading app

> in and of itself uses up a lot of battery juice.
>
> On 09/13/2013 07:00 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>
>> Hi all who use audible .com,
>> There has been some concern about battery usage with the upcoming Bart 
>> app. I was curious, how does the audible app do with battery life?
>> I would think it may be comparable to the NLS app.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>
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RE: Battery usage with Audible app.

[Wayne gmail]

I mainly use it in waiting rooms and while waiting for a cab but I don't
find it to be a problem.  Just a few percent over half hour or so.  Maybe
not even that much.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Battery usage with Audible app.


Hi all who use audible .com, 
There has been some concern about battery usage with the upcoming Bart app.
I was curious, how does the audible app do with battery life? 
I would think it may be comparable to the NLS app. 





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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

When I'm sleepy I don't care about efficiency.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

You can always convert those brf files to text and read them on your IOS
device. Depending on what you are reading, if you are sleepy, you're not
going to recall what you just read, so whether having to press a physical
button or tap/swipe, you are not using time and your cognitive attention
efficiently.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "Arianna" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


Not to mention that, as far as I know, no app on the iPhone can make any 
sense of brf files. I have a lot of those in my collection, and the 
BookSense is the only thing that I know can play them. Well, the only thing 
that I have, at any rate. Plus, having physical buttons is rather nice. When

I want to go back five seconds in a book, and I'm kind of sleepy, the last 
thing I want to do is fiddle around with a touchscreen. That being said, I 
will still get the app; but I'll keep my BookSense around, too.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:

> I'm really looking forward to the BARD Mobile app, but I also like having 
> a separate device. In addition to what Eric says below about the battery 
> consumption, I also like just being able to pick up my Booksense, and by 
> pressing just one button, start reading a book right where I left off. No 
> need to unlock the device, jump to the app switcher and bring up my BARD 
> Mobile app to start reading again. The fact that it's a physical button, 
> and I can just pause/play my reading by hitting a physical button while 
> the Booksense is in my pocket, is also a plus. I know it's not that hard 
> to get the BARD Mobile app to start reading again, but it is convenient to

> have a device dedicated to my book reading and being only one button away 
> from reading.
>
> I also think the booksense is a bit lighter and easier to carry around. I 
> can operate it's buttons while it's in my pocket. I also have a lanyard, 
> so I can just hang it from my neck.
>
> Would I go out and buy a Booksense if I already had an iPhone and the BARD

> Mobile app? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'll be using both my iPhone 
> and my Booksense to read BARD books once I get my hands on the BARD Mobile

> app.
>
> On 09/13/2013 02:57 PM, eric oyen wrote:
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down

>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that 
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode 
>> reader). all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. 
>> Its been my experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you

>> want reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the

>> extra devices on hand.
>>
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one 
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just

>> a phone.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, 
>>> and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine 
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some 
>>> may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be 
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>>
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>>
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played

>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on

>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, S

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

My wife and I used to joke that all it took to be a properly equipped blind
person was about $50,000.  Over the years that joke became less funny.  I'm
really glad that apps are acting as a force to reign in the cost a bit.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your
blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS
apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will
costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few dollars
here and there.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
vocational rehabilitation services).

I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all 
these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as 
discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more 
complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a 
background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs 
ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses

a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, 
personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets 
broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the 
available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible 
(it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the barcode

is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
> longer an issue.
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "eric oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
> devices on hand.
>
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
> a
> phone.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> -eric
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>> why
>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>> upgrading
>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rick Alfaro
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>> on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>
>>
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
>>> log
>>
>>> time for it.
>>>
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton 

RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

And the audio drain is even less if you use wired earphones instead of
Bluetooth.  I'm inclined to use IPhone audio books when out and waiting
because it means carrying fewer devices.  Around the house though the Stream
is better and cheaper to replace if there is a major mishap.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:01 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Hi,

I partly disagree here.  It depends on the media being played, and how the
content is being delivered really.  for the sake of this topic will just
keep it to audio.  I've listened to hours of audiobooks via the audible app
and only lose a few percentage points on my battery life.  The same goes for
listening to music stored on the device.  Of course, streaming audio causes
the battery to drain faster.

I mean, I agree that listening to audio will drain your battery but,
compared with all the other things we do with our phones, this doesn't
really impact battery life as much.

As the saying goes though, to each their own.  I much rather have 1 less
device to carry although it means getting an hour a day less out of my phone
before charging.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:57 PM, eric oyen  wrote:

> there are advantages to using a separate device.
> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.
> 
> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
phone.
> 
> Just something to keep in mind.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
>> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
>> app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
>> to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense 
>> but I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate device. This is 
>> my plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no
issues with space.
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
>> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>> ---
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
>> format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks
for listening!
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Rumery" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news 
>>> because I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been 
>>> waiting a very log
>> 
>>> time for it.
>>> 
>>> Scott Rumery
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
 The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
 
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

I wouldn't say no longer an issue.  In addition to my extended battery case,
I've got an ext4ernal battery.  If I use something like Navigon in my
travels and maybe Blind Square and Downcast, even an extended battery could
be drained in pretty short order.  Definitely a lot less of an issue though.
I'll keep my Stream and back up Stream too.  Hmmm, suppose I might have
insecurity issues?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Definitely, that would be my first accessory, a case with built-in battery.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
longer an issue.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "eric oyen" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval


there are advantages to using a separate device.
Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader). 
all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
devices on hand.

Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just a
phone.

Just something to keep in mind.

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded 
> from BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook 
> app, and Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard 
> to imagine why one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but 
> I'm sure some may still prefer using a separate device. This is my 
> plan so I will be upgrading to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no 
> issues with space.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let 
> you listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
> ---
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan
>
> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>
> Please click on:
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format 
> formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for 
> listening!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>
>
>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because 
>> I know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a 
>> very log
>
>> time for it.
>>
>> Scott Rumery
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>
>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

[Wayne gmail]

Oh the doubting Thomas!!   Thanks for finding the bugs so we
don't have to!  The demo of the early version Jane did a few months ago were
very encouraging.  I'm looking forward to it.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Holton
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.

Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
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Apple accessibility history and refunds was RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Wayne gmail]

Spoken for Mac die and used some of the OutSpoken for Windows code in
their own screen reader. I currently do not remember which company this was.

After Berkeley Systems folded, Apple approached screen reader developers to
see if any of them would develop a new screen reader for the Mac. In fact,
Apple worked closely with Berkeley Systems on OutSpoken for Mac. I know this
because a cousin was an independent consultant for Apple who was assigned to
work with Berkeley Systems on trouble-shooting difficulties for several
months in the mid 90's. During this time, Apple paid his consulting fees.

After screen reader developers, including Freedom Scientific, turned Apple
down, Apple took screen reader development in-house in 2003 and released the
initial iteration of VoiceOver with OSX Tiger in 2005. This means, Apple's
initial screen reader development from concept design to roll-out took
around two years.

It must be noted that Apple was notified by US Federal Purchasing (I do not
remember which specific department, but suspect it may have been Dept of
Education), that federal funds would no longer be able to be spent on Apple
computers if Apple did not have minimum screen reader access. To my best
understanding, this notification was made in 2001 or 2002. It was during the
time after OutSpoken for Mac was discontinued, and may have been the impetus
encouraging Apple to approach Windows screen reader developers. However,
given that Apple has always had a commitment to disability access, as proven
by their initial basic screen reader in the Apple II and their screen
enlargement in the early Mac, and by the fact that they paid my cousin's
developer consultation fees in the mid 90's to do work with Berkeley
Systems, I am not convinced that the US Federal Purchasing being threatened
to be ended was what caused Apple to jump so fully onto the accessibility
bandwagon. Besides, only basic access is required by the Federal Government.
Also, it was a known fact, and fairly well researched and proven, that blind
people could not successfully, independently, and completely effectively,
utilise a purely touchscreen device. In fact, a Google-based researcher was
attempting to get Apple to work with him on developing a tactile overlay to
help blind people use the original iPhone, and was not happy with Apple
because they refused to work with him.

Apple revolutionised everyone's understanding of what was possible with
touchscreen access when they released iPhone 3GS with full VO integration in
2009. Academic researchers were caught completely by surprise.
Peer-reviewed, high-end, academic research around factors of successful
touchscreen access for the blind do not appear in the research journals
(touch input with audio output) until late 2010. This indicates such
research was not designed or started until after the iPhone 3GS.

Therefore, the facts do not support the assertion that Apple only became
focused on accessibility after forced to do so by the federal purchasing
under accessibility legislation. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/09/2013, at 8:27, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

> The accessible solutions for the Apple 2E and the Lisa were not Apple
products. they were third party products. that's like giving Microsoft and
Bill Gates credit for JAWS.
> 
> Apple needs to be praised for their commitment to accessibility, but let's
not rewrite history in the process. If anything, Apple's commitment to
accessibility is even more impressive given that it had to be incorporated
into existing product lines. It goes in the face of the claim that
accessibility is too expensive to retrofit and gives us hope for things like
Windows Phone and other platforms, operating systems and applications that
aren't currently accessible.
> 
> On 09/12/2013 01:12 PM, Steve wrote:
>> I can only speculate on the rationale.  If you read the book 
>> Exploding the Phone, you will see that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak 
>> had several blind acquaintances back in the early 70's.
>> 
>> Remember, that in the earlier days of computing, there were 
>> accessible solutions for the Apple 2e and the Lisa.
>> 
>> Steve
>> - Original Message - From: "Wayne gmail " 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps
>> 
>> 
>> While I applaud Apple for making a giant leap forward in 
>> accessibility, I won't pretend that I can guess all the reasons why.  
>> There is no doubt that they are a huge game changer and that is in 
>> keeping with their whole corporate philosophy. It may be that 
>> compassion, concern for public image, and desire to maximize market 
>> share are the principle drivers.  It

RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Wayne gmail]

While I applaud Apple for making a giant leap forward in accessibility, I
won't pretend that I can guess all the reasons why.  There is no doubt that
they are a huge game changer and that is in keeping with their whole
corporate philosophy. It may be that compassion, concern for public image,
and desire to maximize market share are the principle drivers.  It may also
be that the updated ADA and increasing legal pressure played a role as well.
That ADA is being taken seriously has been demonstrated by the fact that
Amazon and a consortium of producers of EReader hardware  have requested a
waiver of the ADA accessibility requirements for future product releases.
Part of their reasoning  is that this need is being met by the IBook and
Kindle apps used on phones and tablets.
   At best, Apple is being unclear and inconsistent about refunds but I
believe that has more to do with it's low priority in the overall
development of corporate policy than any deliberate intent.  
  I've never asked for a refund and given the price of most apps I probably
never will.  If I do, and use the "report a problem" suggested by the
accessibility team I think I'll probably get it.  If I don't, life is too
short to spend a lot of time and energy worrying about it.
  I definitely do not think pushing for accessibility is whining or asking
for charity.  ADA is a flawed compromise between the disabled community and
the commercial marketplace but I saw firsthand that it had a tremendous
impact on job prospects for the disabled.  Most restaurant owners and hotel
managers will tell you that the long term benefits in increased custom have
made the short term investments worthwhile.  Despite the unreasonable
expectation stories which appeared from time to time after passage of ADA
the effect has been that the disabled portion of our society are less
disabled and more visible.  That is a good thing.  I've always suspected a
lot of the business folks who objected to ADA were mainly objecting to the
government telling them what to do about anything.

   As for Apple refunds, why not just use the tools Apple provides for
requesting one, be glad if you get it, and be loud if you don't get it and
it is that important to you.  It is what it is and life moves merrily along.
  Lisa, I pretty much agree with your points about our needing to accept the
responsibility for learning to use accessibility tools.  However, there is a
difference between accessibility and usability.  Apple has generally done a
great job of making VO accessible and useable because when they decided to
do it, they decided to do it right.  I've seen other software developed in
the Windows environment where accessibility has been implemented in a manner
best described as surly.  "I've gotta do it but I don't have to let you like
it!"  As customers, we can and should advocate for useable accessibility in
apps we buy as opposed to one recently discussed on the list where people
had to count buttons or label them themselves.  We can count and label but
labels on objects ain't rocket science and indicates lazy programming not
artistic freedom.  The whole point of computers is to let one programmer do
something once so thousands of customers don't have to do it thousands of
times.  
Refund requests may be one way of telling developers they should take that
extra little time in their product development.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lisa belville
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

David I understand where you're coming from.  I've taught basic Windows and
screen reading skills on and off for years and people often want to call
something inaccessible when it's really a lack of knowledge of their screen
reader or Windows rather than a genuine case of inaccessibility.  Of course
there are cases of sighted people assuming an OS or app doesn't do something
simply because they do not have the skills or the knowledge to research or
experiment.

But this is not the case in a situation where someone purchases an
inaccessible app.  A sighted person purchasing an app will at least have the
opportunity to put the software through it's paces.  True, a summary of
features and screenshots are not sufficient means of judging the usefulness
of a program, but in a case where a person, presumably a sighted person,
regrets dropping the cash on an app their aggravation is most likely
stemming from the software's capabilities being over inflated by the
developer.  Whereas a blind person downloading the same app where no VO
access is genuinely not included  doesn't even have the chance to determine
whether or not the app will meet his or her needs in the first place.

IMO there is a huge difference between whining about something not suiting
someone's needs due to it's not being advertised accurately and not being
ab

accessibility team response on this question - RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Sieghard.  When you had your issue before I took the liberty of writing
to the accessibility team and they seemed to be re-affirming the refund
policy for non vo apps.  Below is the answer I got.  Suppose it is being
changed without the knowledge of the accessibility team?


  Hello, 

Thank you for your email and feedback. We have looked into this issue and
while a credit was issued to Sieghard, the response used did cause
confusion. We will work with the iTunes Store Support to ensure that the
correct information is sent back when a refund is issued. 

Curently any user can use the "Report a Problem" link from their iTunes
Account purchase history, or contact iTunes Store Support via the web to
request a refund for an app they may have purchased that does not work as
expected with VoiceOver. 

Apple Accessibility


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

Hi Joseph,

I realize that you may not know Neil Barnfather since you are I believe
fairly new on the list. However, if you Google his name you will find that
Neil is far from somebody who complains without cause. I experienced a
similar attitude a while back and while I received the refund in the end the
attitude of the iTunes Store representative I dealt with was similar. She
completely seemed to miss the point and I agree with Neil that Apple should
have something in place which allows for a refund of an inaccessible app
without hassle. The suggestion to contact the developer is a good one, but I
have often done so and not received a reply or maybe I waited for 3 or 4
days or even a week without receiving a reply, then I decided to take a
chance and buy the app only to find out it was not accessible. Then maybe 3
weeks later I received a reply from the dev, but of course it is also not
reasonable to wait that long. 


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps

Very smart suggestion. Let's say we all jump on this bandwagon (once again),
and in the end we discover that whoever the original person this happened to
was very nasty and demanding to the Apple customer service employees; hence
the poor service. We're all going to be very embarrassed and not likely to
take this issue up again in the future. We first need proof of a pattern of
poor service and not just some single person's complaint.

Joseph

- Original Message -
From: "Lisa belville" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


Hi.  Is there any way you could share a letter showing how the Apple people
were patronizing/unhelpful in this regard?  I understand the frustration of
not getting a refund for something inaccessible and how a clueless rep makes
this all the more annoying, but IMO there's a difference between
politely/patiently conveying a policy and being patronizing.  Obviously, you
can take out any names in this letter, but it would be good to see an
example of this attitude.  Could it possibly be this particular rep's issue
and not necessarily one of Apple itself?  I'm referring to the
patronizing/unsympathetic attitude and not the policy itself.

Lisa



There is a fine line between genius and insanity and that difference is a
paycheck!
Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

- Original Message -
From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
To: ; ; "The
Accessible Phones Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: Apple App Store & Refunds for inaccessible Apps


The below should prove a concern to all Apple accessibility feature users,
and I would urge as many of you who can do so, to please write to Apple
yourselves to express your concern along the same lines where possible.
(accessibil...@apple.com).

For years now Apple has led the way in accessibility standards and
application of methods in interacting with all of its product range.
Internationally within many disability arenas Apple is celebrated as the
defacto standard and is widely acknowledged as users preferred platform for
persons with accessibility issues.

Whether or not the App Store had an unofficial policy towards customers with
accessibility needs or not, is unknown to me. What I am aware of is that
where I've bought Apps which turn out not to be accessible, Apple App Store
has always been prompt to refund the purchase immediately without question.

Since Apple do not enforce accessibility standards, nor in anyway whatsoever
offer a method of a disabled user to know whether or not an App is, or is
not, accessible in advance of purchase, this seemed to be a most reasona

RE: guitar tuning app?

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Brian.  I can't seem to find Ituner.  Is there something special about
the spelling?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of brian albriton
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: guitar tuning app?

,Ituner works well with voice over. I don't have a bluetooth headset so
can't tell you about that. it has regular guitar, aass, and even some open
chords. 

On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:49 AM, "Wayne gmail "  wrote:

> Do ITuner and GJTuner both talk?  Does either work with Bluetooth 
> headphones?
> 
> Regards
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of brian albriton
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: guitar tuning app?
> 
> I use ITuner. Pretty straight forward.
> 
> On Sep 7, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Brett  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I either use Talking tuner or GJ tuner. Both work pretty well. 
>> 
>> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 9:58 am, "Sherry Gomes"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I thought I had a guitar tuning app on my old 3gs phone, but it's 
>>> not on my iPhone 5. I can't remember the name of the app anymore. 
>>> I've recently starting playing guitar again after about thirty years 
>>> and I'd like to find an accessible and a accurate guitar tuner. Any
> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Sherry
>>> "And if I'm flying solo, at least I'm flying free, To those who'd 
>>> ground me, take a message back from me, Tell them how I am defying 
>>> gravity, I'm flying high, defying gravity, And nobody is ever gonna 
>>> bring me down!"
>>>  DEFYING GRAVITY--wicked
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: guitar tuning app?

[Wayne gmail]

Do ITuner and GJTuner both talk?  Does either work with Bluetooth
headphones?

Regards
Wayne

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I use ITuner. Pretty straight forward.

On Sep 7, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Brett  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I either use Talking tuner or GJ tuner. Both work pretty well. 
> 
> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 9:58 am, "Sherry Gomes"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I thought I had a guitar tuning app on my old 3gs phone, but it's not 
>> on my iPhone 5. I can't remember the name of the app anymore. I've 
>> recently starting playing guitar again after about thirty years and 
>> I'd like to find an accessible and a accurate guitar tuner. Any
suggestions?
>> 
>> Sherry
>> "And if I'm flying solo, at least I'm flying free, To those who'd 
>> ground me, take a message back from me, Tell them how I am defying 
>> gravity, I'm flying high, defying gravity, And nobody is ever gonna 
>> bring me down!"
>>   DEFYING GRAVITY--wicked
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RE: guitar tuning app?

[Wayne gmail]

Yes Talking Tuner is very good.  Actually I tune all strings with it and
then adjust from there for relative balance.
  It does cost but well worth the money. 
  If the developer is on this list I will say a big thank you for allowing
me to spend time playing my guitar instead of constantly tuning it.  If you
ever do an update, I'd be willing to pay the purchase price all over again
if you would make it Bluetooth compatible.
  I too picked up the guitar again after many years away from it.

Regards,
Wayne

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Of RobH.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:46 AM
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Subject: Re: guitar tuning app?

Talking tuner,  done by a list member;  and very good.  I had ukulele tuner,
Mandolin tuner, all out of the same stable;  so guess they did guitar tuner
too;  but talking tuner does it for most of us.

It might even cost,...   a bit;  but worth it to us, too.

I think i had a simple one called something like mPegs,  just offered a tone
to work to, you just chose the one you needed out of a menu or list. Just
tap mute when done.  you only usually need to tune one string as a rule,
though if you cross check last string with first, you get the cumulative
error of that method.
Ok, sorry; From one correct string, you can tune the rest so you know
they're tuned to each other.  I tried every string from a tuner, it sounded
awful!
Ok, the simple tone based ones benefit doing that method.

RobH   digging myself in really deep on this one.
- Original Message -
From: "Sherry Gomes" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:58 AM
Subject: guitar tuning app?


Hi all,

I thought I had a guitar tuning app on my old 3gs phone, but it's not on my
iPhone 5. I can't remember the name of the app anymore. I've recently
starting playing guitar again after about thirty years and I'd like to find
an accessible and a accurate guitar tuner. Any suggestions?

Sherry
"And if I'm flying solo, at least I'm flying free,
To those who'd ground me, take a message back from me,
Tell them how I am defying gravity,
I'm flying high, defying gravity,
And nobody is ever gonna bring me down!"
DEFYING GRAVITY--wicked



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RE: Christopher's podcast on MBraille

[Wayne gmail]

Actually it is there.  I just did a search on BGZ and found it.  Perhaps the
spelling on MBraille?  Needs two capitalized letters at the beginning.

Did you mean: Braille

  MBraille Podcast
Part1

www.blind-geek-zone.net

www.blind-geek-zone.net/mbraille-podcast-part1/


  MBraille Podcast
Part1

Jul 21, 2013 ... This podcast was submitted by christopher hallsworth. You
can contact this contributor via their email at christopher...@gmail.com.
This is part ...

www.blind-geek-zone.net

www.blind-geek-zone.net/mbraille-podcast-part1/

  clipped from Google -
9/2013

  MBraille Podcast
Part2

www.blind-geek-zone.net

www.blind-geek-zone.net/mbraille-podcast-part2/


  MBraille Podcast
Part2

Jul 22, 2013 ... This podcast was submitted by christopher hallsworth. You
can contact this contributor via their email at christopher...@gmail.com.

www.blind-geek-zone.net

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  MBraille
Podcast Part2 Update

www.blind-geek-zone.net

www.blind-geek-zone.net/mbraille-podcast-part2-update/


  MBraille
Podcast Part2 Update

MBraille Podcast Part2 Update. July 22, 2013 Leave a Comment. This podcast
was submitted by christopher hallsworth. You can contact this contributor
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  MBraille
Podcast Part 3

www.blind-geek-zone.net

www.blind-geek-zone.net/mbraille-podcast-part-3-2/


  MBraille
Podcast Part 3

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  Audio
Archives Temporary - The Blind Geek Zone

 

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Of Chris H
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Christopher's podcast on MBraille

 

Sorry about this. I will contact the people at Blind Geek Zone to sort this
out. Again sorry for any inconveniences caused. I thought they were up there
but like you I could not find them.

 

On 07/09/2013 21:49, Paul and Paula Jordan wrote:

> I just went to the blind geek zone web page that Christopher gave a 

> link to to listen to the podcast on MBraille since I'm thinking 

> seriously about buying it.  I wasn't able to find the podcast anywhere.
Any suggestions.

> I'd really like to hear it.

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> God bless!

> 

> Paula and Babe

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RE: Christopher's podcast on MBraille

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Hi Chris.  I used your link and found the podcast on Blind Geeks.  I started
listening to it and company came and I didn't get back to it.  It was there
and it looks like you did a great job of it.

Regards, 
Wayne

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Sorry about this. I will contact the people at Blind Geek Zone to sort this
out. Again sorry for any inconveniences caused. I thought they were up there
but like you I could not find them.

On 07/09/2013 21:49, Paul and Paula Jordan wrote:
> I just went to the blind geek zone web page that Christopher gave a 
> link to to listen to the podcast on MBraille since I'm thinking 
> seriously about buying it.  I wasn't able to find the podcast anywhere.
Any suggestions.
> I'd really like to hear it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> God bless!
>
> Paula and Babe
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RE: List of gestures for Voice over

[Wayne gmail]

Another very concise listing with directions to how to get to the VO
practice app is at the following link:
http://lab.dotjay.co.uk/notes/voiceover-ios/learning-ios-voiceover-gestures/
I copied this and another slightly different list into emails for my wife
who is new to IPhones and will be glad to send a copy off list if you let me
know off list that you want them.  This link will probably do it though.

Regards,
Wayne
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Subject: Re: List of gestures for Voice over

You can go to www.iblindtech.com they have podcast   that talks about that.

On 9/5/13, Christopher Moss  wrote:
> Can someone please tell me where to find a list of the alterned 
> gestures for using an iPod Touch set to Voice Over?  Thanks!
>
> Kit
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RE: IOS 7 Tutorial

[Wayne gmail]

Thank you Chris!  It is appreciated and I'll look for your podcasts.  
  Can you tell me where to find some and what they cover?

Regards,
Wayne
-Original Message-
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Of Chris H
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 7 Tutorial

No I agree. I love podcasts but can't be doing with the chit chat before the
main part. Hence me trying the tutorials as books approach. When I do
podcasts I just get on with it but that's just me.

On 06/09/2013 01:02, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I feel the same way about podcasts. I just don't usually hav the 
> patience to listen to a tutorial in a podcast. Even if you can speed 
> it up, you still have to skip through the introductory words, the chit 
> chat and so on. Plus if it covers a lot of topics, you have to fast 
> forward to get to the parts that you're interested in. I've usually 
> figured things out through trial and error before I get through the
podcast.
>
> I'd much rather work through a soft copy document where I can review 
> the table of contents and jump right to the sections I'm interested in.
> Furthermore, searching for a note after the fact is much less tedious 
> then looking through your podcasts to find the point you forgot.
>
> I'm not knocking podcasts. I listen to them myself, and I'll 
> occasionally listen to a tutorial via a podcast as well. It's just 
> that for me, it's not my preferred way to learn something or the first 
> thing I'll grab when I want to figure something new out.
>
>
> On 09/05/2013 06:48 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Apple vis and this list will be my first stop once IOS7 is released!
>> . There is nothing better than cranking up the speed on an 
>> audio presentation and pausing when experimentation is needed as I 
>> follow along.
>> At this point, and for me only, reading in Braille or Braille display 
>> is unnecessarily slow; it feels like using an abacus rather than a 
>> calculator.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Davert" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: IOS 7 Tutorial
>>
>>
>> I agree with those saying that it's all about personal preference. 
>> I'm here to tell you though that Applevis, and I'm sure others, have 
>> lots of free materials headed out the door when release time comes. 
>> Within
>> 1 or 2 hours I'd say at most. But for something hopefully more 
>> professionally done, these are good resources as well. I know for my 
>> part, I get paid $0 for what I do and am fine with it. But it may not 
>> be the most pollished presentation.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 9/5/13, Paul Ferrara  wrote:
>>> Christopher, I agree with you; I do not purchase these tutorials 
>>> often, but
>>>
>>> I am going to have to walk my wife through IOS 7 and quickly so this 
>>> time I
>>>
>>> decided to make the purchase. I am one of those who will read it, 
>>> digest it,
>>>
>>> and listen to some additional podcasts too, but it is definitely a 
>>> personal
>>>
>>> decision, no different than which twitter app, which barcode app, etc.
>>> that
>>>
>>> someone uses.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:38 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 7 Tutorial
>>>
>>> I think this is a personal decision each person will have to make 
>>> for themselves. Some people may prefer having all of this 
>>> information at once and in one place rather than waiting for 
>>> podcasts to show up on various sites and wade through the back and 
>>> forth that will occur on different mailing lists. Some people may 
>>> prefer a reference and a manual format over a podcast format. IMHO, 
>>> this resource may or may not be worth paying for for some people, 
>>> but I don't think anyone can make this decision for anyone else.
>>>
>>> On 09/05/2013 08:30 AM, Fred Olver wrote:
 I agree with you, Scott, I can't see a need to spend money on a 
 resource which most people don't use to it's full extent anyway. 
 Besides, why pay for it when most of the information will be soon 
 available for free.


 Fred Olver



 Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



 have a look it just makes sense.

 http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






 - Original Message - From: "Scott Davert"
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:24 AM
 Subject: Re: IOS 7 Tutorial


 For those who wish to access this sort of material via audio, or 
 who are jus interested in what's new with accessibility, I think I 
 can publicly say that Applevis will be covering a lot of the 
 VoiceOver stuff as soon as iOS 7 is released to the public. Not 
 that these other resources aren't good, because I'm sure they will 
 be, just throwing anoth

RE: iTreadmill - wasRe: amount of distance.

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Brett.
  How did you go about setting step length on this app.  Or was that even
necessary?

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Of Brett
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTreadmill - wasRe: amount of distance.

Hi, 

The iTreadmil I have is from Ricky Amano. 

Hope this helps, 
Brett.


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

> On 5 Sep 2013, at 6:54 am, "DJ"  wrote:
> 
> There seems to be at least 2 iTreadMills in the app store.  Please specify
> which one you folks are referring too?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of RobH.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTreadmill - wasRe: amount of distance.
> 
> I'll have to check that, I'm sure I saw the location service  thing in the

> status bar when I used it.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brett" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: iTreadmill - wasRe: amount of distance.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> iTreadmil doesn't use GPS, It uses the exalarometer to detect your steps.
It
> 
> estimates everything from there. It is a good app, I have been using it
now 
> for a couple of years.
> 
> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Sep 2013, at 3:24 am, "RobH."  wrote:
>> 
>> iTreadmill uses GPS to measure and record how far you've gone. It keeps
>> notes which you can email to yourself, makes interesting reading.
>> 
>> GPS apps of themselves are more for navigation, where you are and how to 
>> get
>> places;  different job entirely.
>> 
>> Hth, Rh.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Lea Langley" 
>> To: 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 3:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: amount of distance.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all, I hope this is not hijacking this thread. I am not exactly sure 
>> but
>> my question is what would you use a GPS app for with iTreadmill? I have
>> never used to GPF GPS app much so that is why I am asking. You can write 
>> me
>> off list if you would like. Thank you for the help in the answer. God 
>> bless,
>> wren
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:14 AM, Jack Conti  wrote:
>>> 
>>> very good. i have that and a couple gps apps. guess i am in good shape
>>> them.  thank you all very much.
>>> At 02:52 AM 9/4/2013, you wrote:
 iTreadmill is more for that;   quite good too, keeps distances, 
 averages,
 stats, speed, can give you a rhythm to pace yourself too;  good
 walker/jogger app.
 Even email yourself your own log sheet.
 
 Rh.
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 Subject: amount of distance.
 
 
 will any gps give me amounts of miles i have walked, or is there
 another or better app?  thanks in advance. Jack.
 
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GPS and pedometer was amount of distance.

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Lea.  Seems relevant to me but I've adjusted the subject to be on the
safe side.
The usage which immediately comes to my mind is my neighborhood walks.  My
guide dog and I take a walk every day mostly for exercise and fresh air .
(did I really say that about Dallas air?)
  I like to walk about a mile and there is a well-worn route which I could
easily walk in my sleep with no dog or cane.  However, I like to vary things
sometimes and we have some pretty confusing streets and intersections in our
area.  I like using a GPS to know where I am and the pedometer to be sure I
get the amount of walking I want.  Blind Square is doing a pretty good job
of meeting both needs for me.  However, it doesn't give me any ability to
judge the accuracy of the distance and it sometimes estimates it's gps
accuracy at 16 feet and at others it says 240 feet.
  I am thinking of getting ITreadmill which allows for correcting the
accuracy based on the length of my stride.  That will also be an estimate
though since the length of my stride varies with the degree of flatness and
roughness of the terrain.  If they agree that would be great.  If not, maybe
I could split the difference.
   Ironically,  the one thing I would not use ITreadmill for is to walk on
my treadmill.  By the time I get off that thing I am so sweat soaked I look
like I've been in a swimming pool.  Can't believe that would be good for the
electronics!

Regards,
Wayne
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Of Lea Langley
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amount of distance.

Hi all, I hope this is not hijacking this thread. I am not exactly sure but
my question is what would you use a GPS app for with iTreadmill? I have
never used to GPF GPS app much so that is why I am asking. You can write me
off list if you would like. Thank you for the help in the answer. God bless,
wren

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:14 AM, Jack Conti  wrote:

> very good. i have that and a couple gps apps. guess i am in good shape
them.  thank you all very much.
> At 02:52 AM 9/4/2013, you wrote:
>> iTreadmill is more for that;   quite good too, keeps distances, averages,
>> stats, speed, can give you a rhythm to pace yourself too;  good 
>> walker/jogger app.
>> Even email yourself your own log sheet.
>> 
>> Rh.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jack Conti" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 3:07 AM
>> Subject: amount of distance.
>> 
>> 
>> will any gps give me amounts of miles i have walked, or is there 
>> another or better app?  thanks in advance. Jack.
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RE: MBraille - On the road experience

[Wayne gmail]

I thought Joseph did a very nice positive review of MBraille and it left me
seeing a circumstance in which it might be useful to me.  I also think his
expression of a price he was willing to pay and a price he wasn't willing to
pay is reasonable.  Price points are always open to many opinions among
customers and developers should decide for themselves what their labor is
worth in a market such as the app store.
   I would not pay $30 for it because there are a lot of other things I
would rather buy with that amount of money.  That is no criticism of
MBraille but a valid expression of how a marketplace works.

Regards,
Wayne


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For thirty dollars, you get an app wqhich also gives via this list, direct
contract with the developer. Also, consider the lowest cost Bluetooth
braille keyboard out there is hundreds of dollars. All that said, if you
spend the money, I don't think you'll regret it.

On 9/1/13, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to convey a neat little MBraille experience. I had lunch 
> with a
>
> group of new friends. As one of these friends was driving me home, we 
> began
>
> driving on some rough road. I thought "what a great chance to test 
> typing accuracy!" I pulled out my iPod Touch 5th gen and began typing a
message.
>
> I first tried typing a 3 sentence paragraph using the touch typing 
> keyboard
>
> method, and I ended up making lots of mistakes and found it was 
> difficult to
>
> hear what I was typing (I was not wearing headphones). I didn't get 
> past the
>
> first sentence before getting a bit frustrated.
>
> I turned on standard typing and found it was easier to type via split 
> typing, but I still could not hear the letters well and had I turned 
> up the
>
> volume I would have probably annoyed others so I did not do so.
>
> Finally, I launched MBraille and found that typing the 3 sentences was 
> not only quickly accomplished, but I also found it very easy, and I 
> had almost 0
>
> spelling errors.
>
> I'm assuming the difference is that while touch typing and split 
> typing, one
>
> must very steadily hold the device in one hand while trying to type 
> with the
>
> other hand. This results in both hands simultaneously performing 
> different tasks. On the other hand, using MBraille, for the most part, 
> both hands are
>
> moving in synchrony and are placed almost 100% identically equally to 
> one another which facilitates holding the device and entering data as 
> the space
>
> one needs to interact with the device is much smaller (6 points rather 
> than
>
> 26+ points associated with the letters on the keyboard).
>
> After using MBraille I switched back to regular touch typing and 
> standard typing, and again I was having difficulty completing the typing
task.
>
> In short, whether bumpy road or not, MBraille does seem to offer a 
> very quick and hassle free typing experience.
>
> I gotta say, it is still hard for me to pull the trigger on the price 
> because $30, to me and only me, seems a bit excessive for an app less 
> than 1
>
> meg in size. I hope this device goes on sale at some point as I'd 
> definitely
>
> purchase it for $15 or $20. :)
>
> Two thumbs up for MBraille!
>
> Joseph
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RE: amount of distance.

[Wayne gmail]

Yes Blind Square does that.  It apparently bases the measurement on gps
tracking.  I would love to believe it is accurate since it tells me I've
walked a little over a mile on my daily constitutional when my other
pedometers said it was only .8 miles.  I do consider it to be one of the
nicer features about Blind Square though.

Regards,
Wayne

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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: amount of distance.

I think that Blind Square does this. There are also other apps specifically
designed to act as a pedometer.

Andy


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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: amount of distance.

will any gps give me amounts of miles i have walked, or is there another or
better app?  thanks in advance. Jack.

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RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

[Wayne gmail]

Here's hoping the new carrier install will fix it.  I've had a couple of
those in the last couple of months and don't recall ever having it happen
again.  The most recent was with a phone upgrade so I sort of expected that.

Good luck!
Wayne

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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Hi Wayne, 

I did try turning off Wi-Fi.  This has really got me stumped. I decided to
go ahead and reset my phone. I will be out again tomorrow. I will be further
away from home too.  When I selected the option to reset my phone, I did
receive a message that new carrier settings are available. I did install
them.  Never had this happen with my phone before. 

Thanks for the suggestion, 

Lynda 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Hi Linda.  Did you try going into settings and turning off y fi?  I had that
problem once or twice with my 3gs and completely shutting of network worked.

Good luck.

Wayne

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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Hi Fred, 

Everything is working fine at home. When I went out today, I couldn't access
the internet or email on my phone. The physical therapy office is very close
to my house. I didn't expect to have my network available. My phone never
asked if I wanted to join another network. My home network was replaced by
another in the neighborhood. I am assuming it is a secure network. I never
had the option to cancel. My phone seemed locked on a network that I
couldn't access. When I returned home, everything was fine. I haven't
changed any settings in my phone. I've never had this happen before. 

Regards, 

Lynda 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Suggest you unplug your router and re-plug it in. This works for me.

Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message -
From: "Lynda Ingraham" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home


> Hi Isaac,
>
> Yes, I have cell data turned on and coverage is available. What I 
> thought was strange was I never was asked to either join a network or 
> press cancel.
> The network that was on my phone was not mine, but one close to my house.
> The physical therapy office is very near my house. Not close enough to 
> still use my own Wi-Fi. Do you think I should back up my phone and 
> reinstall everything?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lynda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Isaac Hebert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home
>
> Did you turn on the cell data connection and are you in a area that 
> provides cell coverage?
>
> On 9/3/13, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> This has never happened before. I was unable to download email or 
>> access the internet away from home. I am using a 4s with the latest 
>> IOS installed.
>> Thank you in advance for your help.
>>
>> Lynda
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RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Linda.  Did you try going into settings and turning off y fi?  I had that
problem once or twice with my 3gs and completely shutting of network worked.

Good luck.

Wayne

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Hi Fred, 

Everything is working fine at home. When I went out today, I couldn't access
the internet or email on my phone. The physical therapy office is very close
to my house. I didn't expect to have my network available. My phone never
asked if I wanted to join another network. My home network was replaced by
another in the neighborhood. I am assuming it is a secure network. I never
had the option to cancel. My phone seemed locked on a network that I
couldn't access. When I returned home, everything was fine. I haven't
changed any settings in my phone. I've never had this happen before. 

Regards, 

Lynda 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home

Suggest you unplug your router and re-plug it in. This works for me.

Fred Olver



Author of Dealing with Vision Loss



have a look it just makes sense.

http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com






- Original Message -
From: "Lynda Ingraham" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home


> Hi Isaac,
>
> Yes, I have cell data turned on and coverage is available. What I thought
> was strange was I never was asked to either join a network or press 
> cancel.
> The network that was on my phone was not mine, but one close to my house.
> The physical therapy office is very near my house. Not close enough to 
> still
> use my own Wi-Fi. Do you think I should back up my phone and reinstall
> everything?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lynda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Isaac Hebert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Unable To Connect to Internet Away From Home
>
> Did you turn on the cell data connection and are you in a area that 
> provides
> cell coverage?
>
> On 9/3/13, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> This has never happened before. I was unable to download email or
>> access the internet away from home. I am using a 4s with the latest
>> IOS installed.
>> Thank you in advance for your help.
>>
>> Lynda
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RE: Podcast app question and overall general podcast question

[Wayne gmail]

Actually this thread prompted me to go out and buy Downcast.  After opening
it, I double tapped on add podcasts and got a list of categories.  One of
the categories I looked at was news and politics.  I saw several video
podcasts among those listed there.  In a few cases there was a video and an
audio version listed separately.
   Haven't played with it enough to know if you can get a video only list
but there are definitely video podcasts available.  I guess the most
definite way to find out would be to do a search on the particular podcast
which interests you.  That is very easy as well using Siri.
   Good luck.


Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shane clark
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Podcast app question and overall general podcast question

So, when looking for podcasts, all I've seen so far is audio content. Is
there a video section/tab as there is in Apples Podcasts app?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Yes, Downcast handles both audio and video Podcasts. You can even 
> listen to just the audio of a video podcast.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shane clark
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Podcast app question and overall general podcast question
> 
> Does Downcast let you watch video podcasts like the Apple app does?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shane,
>> 
>> The Podcast app of choice for most people on this list as well as 
>> many sighted people is Downcast. It is a very feature rich Podcast 
>> app and whether you download or stream your Podcasts is completely 
>> customizable. You can even set it to download certain Podcasts while 
>> you not do so for others and you can tell it whether to allow 
>> streaming via 3G or restrict it to Wi-Fi only.
>> The same goes for what to do with the Podcasts after you stream or 
>> download them. You can tell it globally to keep no Podcasts, to only 
>> keep unplayed Podcasts, to keep a certain number of unplayed or a 
>> certain number of all Podcasts. Then once again you can overwrite the 
>> global setting by defining a different setting for a certain Podcast, 
>> individual settings always have priority over the global setting.
>> Downcast is fully Voiceover friendly and I believe there is a Podcast 
>> about it on Applevis.
>> It is very easy to search for Podcasts by name, by URL or to import them.
>> You can even make Playlists, for example, if you have 3 different 
>> tech Podcasts, you could make a playlist for them.
>> If Apple was smart they'd buy out Downcast. OK, so maybe that was a 
>> poor choice of words, I am not implying they are not smart *smile*, 
>> but there are definitely apps which do what some of their stock apps 
>> do which are way better. Given Apple's resources compared to say 
>> those of the developer of Downcast I find this rather interesting.
>> 
>> Just for completeness sake, the app iCatcher which is another Podcast 
>> app is also fully Voiceover accessible and quite good, but I think if 
>> it came down to a vote more people would vote for Downcast. When I 
>> just looked up the links I noticed iCatcher said at the top of the 
>> app description that it was on sale. However, the price of $2.99 I 
>> wrote down below is what was listed and I thought that was the 
>> regular price. I did buy the app a long time ago so if I look it up 
>> on my iPhone or in iTunes when I am signed in it only asks me to 
>> download it since I once bought it and I can't see if the price there 
>> shows up
> differently. Anyhow, here are the links:
>> 
>> Downcast: $1.99
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8
>> 
>> iCatcher: $2.99
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/icatcher!-podcast-app/id414419105?mt=
>> 8
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shane clark
>> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 5:32 PM
>> To: accessible-...@freelists.org; viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Podcast app question and overall general podcast question
>> 
>> Hi,
>> So I downloaded the Apple Podcast app again yesterday, after not 
>> using it for awhile, and noticed that you now have to download the 
>> podcast versese just streaming it to the phone. I thought at one 
>> time, you could stream them instead of downloading them, was U wrong
here?
>> Is there an app like Podcast that gives you the option to stream 
>> them, but has the same amount of content? Also, when you subscribe to 
>> a certain podcast, does it put the podcast in your phone, then you 
>> download it, or is it already downloaded for youV And finally, what's 
>> the best way to delete

RE: Gmail

[Wayne gmail]

Thanks for that correct and detailed information Raul.
   Today I decided to convert my gmail from imap to pop3 and had an
interesting thing happen.  Of course it downloaded a ton of messages into my
mailbox which I redirected to my viphone folder by using a rule.  A few
minutes ago I took a look at my gmail inbox which I thought would have a
small handful of messages.  Surprise!  It has a copy of every message I have
sent to the list.  This is a bit of a puzzle since I did not create a rule
or anything like that.  Apparently freeing my account from the imap sync
caused me to receive the messages.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Gary Petraccaro
Subject: Re: Gmail

Hi, unfortunately the advice that others gave you on list is wrong. The list
members were well-intentioned, but maybe didn't know that you can see your
own messages to the list. There are 2 ways. The first way is what I do.
However this involves creating a label for all viphone messages. Labels are
like folders and since this list traffic is so high, I would recommend this
to anyone so their inbox doesn't cause insanity.

1. Go to http://www.google.com/mail/h and sign in with your gmail account
stuff. This is the basic mail version of the site.

2. Go to Edit Labels.

3. Create a new label and call it viphone or something you want.

4. Go to create a filter.

5. For the filter, put the viphone address in the to: field and choose next.

6. In the what to do section, choose skip inbox, choose apply label, then
choose the viphone label you gave it.

7. Before choosing the create label button to finish, check the box which
says to apply it to the conversations already there.

Now what this will do is make it so any message sent to the viphone list,
whether by you or by anyone else will skip the inbox and instead be given
the label viphone or whatever you called it. This is like moving it to a
folder. This includes messages by you, so that means you will see your own
messages to the list.

The second way involves creating a filter based on only your from address,
but I don't remember how and I'm too lazy right now to look it up in this
list archives or on Google. I know it's there because people have given the
information before. Good luck.


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On 9/1/2013 10:25 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
> I'm not seeing my messages show up on Gmail when I send to a list.  How
> do I change that?
> Thanks.
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