RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Carolyn, 
I understand that, but I still don't see how anyone can say that is weird 
though.  Regardless who said it.  Smile!  
Janet 




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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:32 PM
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Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I was responding to Christopher's message to Simon. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:58 PM
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Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Hi Carolyn,
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet
  , 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


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From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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RE: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[janet gross]

HI Mary and All, 
I downloaded the Google assistant a few days ago, but when I go into the app , 
I get a message telling me to login to Google, but I don't have a Google 
account, so do I need to have an account? I never had the Siri shortcuts set up 
either, so do I need to set them up? If so, can someone please tell me how to 
do that? I would like to use this Google Assistant.   
Janet 
,



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Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

In a word, yes. I wonder what happened.
Mary


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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Brice Smith  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else lost the ability to use Siri shortcuts to access the
> Google Assistant?
> 
> When I use my recorded phrase, Siri now always says “you’ll need to
> continue in Assistant.” My other shortcuts still work. I tried
> deleting and reinstalling this shortcut without success, so I’m
> starting to think that  Apple has blocked this particular shortcut.
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Lenron, 
You definitely have the wrong idea about this face id.  Now, I can understand 
if you just don't like it, or you just don't want it, as that is your right, 
but Spin your head around hop up and down to unlock your phone, not so.  You 
are blowing this all out of proportion!  LOL!   
Janet 
  



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lenron brown
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:42 PM
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All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi Simon and All, 
Wow, so you think someone should be shot!  LOL!  Smile!  I think this face id 
issue is well blown out of proportion.  Some people are thinking they have to 
move their head around and around to unlock their phone, this is not the case 
at all.  The only time someone will have to move their head around is during 
the face id set up process , and then just look at the phone when you want to 
unlock it.  If you want to unlock the phone while in your pocket, try lifting 
the phone out of your pocket, and look down at it, and place it back in your 
pocket.  Just a thought, so please don't shoot me, just trying to help.  I do 
have face id set up on my xr phone, and I did set it up myself.  The face id 
feature will walk you through the set up process, meaning it will tell you to 
turn your head to the right or to the left, or to look down, or to look at the 
screen etc. When I unlock my phone, I press the power button, and look at the 
phone, and the majority of the time it will unlock, but I've noticed if I don't 
look directly at the phone, it will not unlock, and I tried that just to see if 
it would really unlock if I wasn't looking directly at the phone.  Now, it does 
annoy me rather I look directly at the phone or not, and it will still ask me 
for my security code, but from my understanding from Apple, this is how the 
face id feature is set up, and the reason is for security purposes, in which I 
can appreciate, but still annoying at the sametime though.   
Janet 

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi Carolyn, 
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet 
  , 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi All, 
Yes, I've also heard that Apple might introduce the touch id as well as the 
face id, so people will have a choice.  As choice is always welcome.  
Janet 
 


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Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with in-screen 
touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years away, but your 
iPhone 8 can last years too.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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RE: Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

Hi Robin,
Thank you for this.  I’m seriously thinking about setting up the phone as a new 
phone, although, this will be the second time doing this, but I’m willing to 
try.  Since I set up the phone last week as a new phone, I haven’t downloaded 
any of my old apps.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 6:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi,
This might be a long shot but I’m wondering if you erased all content on your 
phone set it up as new and redownloaded your apps if it might not clear itself 
up.  I only ask because once upon a time I had an app that I’d purchased before 
an Apple ID change that was still somehow causing a dust up because it was 
still somehow looking for the old ID. Not sure if that helps oar not but might 
be one way of tidying things up.
Good luck with it all.
Robin


From: janet gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Sieghard,
I think it is asking me for my old Apple id in which I don’t remember.  Now, I 
have no problem signing in on my phone using my current Apple id, or my current 
password, but I’m sure the phone is asking me for my old password which is 
assigned to my old Apple id.  So if I reset my current password,, I will still 
get the message to enter my password, but again that is to my old Apple id.  
I’m having the same problem with iTunes on my PC regarding the password issue.
I don’t even know why would my old Apple id even be on my phone any more 
though.  I’m going to try and call Apple, and if they can’t fix this over the 
phone, I will have to go to the Apple store.
Janet .


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi Janet,

OK, I'm pretty confused now, you say you can sign in with the link I provided 
but you say it won't accept your password.
If it doesn't accept your password then you can't sign in.
You need to start the process to reset your password by going to the following 
website:

Recover your Apple Id<https://iforgot.apple.com/password/verify/appleid>

This is a site off the main AppleID.Apple.com, there is a link you click called 
"Recover my Apple Id or Password", but in order to make it easier you can just 
click on the above link and it goes straight there.
Start by entering your Outlook.com email which you say is your current Apple 
Id, then click continue and follow the instructions.
If you can't successfully reset your password I strongly recommend you go to an 
Apple Store and ask if they can help because if you do this often enough it may 
lock your Apple Id down so much that it could take an even greater effort to 
get it going again.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi,
I get the incorrect password message when I use my current Apple id.  Yes, I 
can sign in with the link you provided using my current Apple id, but it 
doesn’t accept my password.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

But do you get the password incorrect message when you try to use your new 
Apple Id or your old?
Can you sign in on this website with your current Apple Id using the Outlook 
email?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi Sieghard,
I used this link you gave me, and here is the message I received;
Your Apple ID or password was incorrect
My old Apple id is as follows; harvard...@sbcglobal.net, and no I don’t have 
access to that email address any more, so I can’t get an email message with a 
new password from it.
Yes my current Apple id is janet.harv...@outlook.com

I don’t understand why would this phone b asking for my old Apple id though, 
even though I think it is.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Do you have access to a computer and have you tried to go to 
http://AppleID.apple.com and log in there?
See if you can login with your new Apple Id and password.
As for the old one, what email did you use and to you still have access to that 
email?
If so you should be able to go to Forgot Password and get a password reset link 
emailed to the old email address.
I assume you now use janet.harv...@outlook.com as your Apple 

RE: Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

Sieghard,
I think it is asking me for my old Apple id in which I don’t remember.  Now, I 
have no problem signing in on my phone using my current Apple id, or my current 
password, but I’m sure the phone is asking me for my old password which is 
assigned to my old Apple id.  So if I reset my current password,, I will still 
get the message to enter my password, but again that is to my old Apple id.  
I’m having the same problem with iTunes on my PC regarding the password issue.
I don’t even know why would my old Apple id even be on my phone any more 
though.  I’m going to try and call Apple, and if they can’t fix this over the 
phone, I will have to go to the Apple store.
Janet .


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi Janet,

OK, I'm pretty confused now, you say you can sign in with the link I provided 
but you say it won't accept your password.
If it doesn't accept your password then you can't sign in.
You need to start the process to reset your password by going to the following 
website:

Recover your Apple Id<https://iforgot.apple.com/password/verify/appleid>

This is a site off the main AppleID.Apple.com, there is a link you click called 
"Recover my Apple Id or Password", but in order to make it easier you can just 
click on the above link and it goes straight there.
Start by entering your Outlook.com email which you say is your current Apple 
Id, then click continue and follow the instructions.
If you can't successfully reset your password I strongly recommend you go to an 
Apple Store and ask if they can help because if you do this often enough it may 
lock your Apple Id down so much that it could take an even greater effort to 
get it going again.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi,
I get the incorrect password message when I use my current Apple id.  Yes, I 
can sign in with the link you provided using my current Apple id, but it 
doesn’t accept my password.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

But do you get the password incorrect message when you try to use your new 
Apple Id or your old?
Can you sign in on this website with your current Apple Id using the Outlook 
email?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi Sieghard,
I used this link you gave me, and here is the message I received;
Your Apple ID or password was incorrect
My old Apple id is as follows; 
harvard...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:harvard...@sbcglobal.net>, and no I don’t have 
access to that email address any more, so I can’t get an email message with a 
new password from it.
Yes my current Apple id is 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>

I don’t understand why would this phone b asking for my old Apple id though, 
even though I think it is.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Do you have access to a computer and have you tried to go to 
http://AppleID.apple.com and log in there?
See if you can login with your new Apple Id and password.
As for the old one, what email did you use and to you still have access to that 
email?
If so you should be able to go to Forgot Password and get a password reset link 
emailed to the old email address.
I assume you now use 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> as your Apple Id? 
What email did you use before?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

HI Donna,
I’ve tried several times to enter my password, but the phone is not accepting 
it, that is my problem.  I don’t have any other restrictions  either.  This is 
not just to update an app, this is to update my Apple id settings, in which I 
can’t do, so as a result, I will not have access to certain account settings 
until I can get this is

RE: Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

Hi,
I get the incorrect password message when I use my current Apple id.  Yes, I 
can sign in with the link you provided using my current Apple id, but it 
doesn’t accept my password.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 4:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

But do you get the password incorrect message when you try to use your new 
Apple Id or your old?
Can you sign in on this website with your current Apple Id using the Outlook 
email?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Hi Sieghard,
I used this link you gave me, and here is the message I received;
Your Apple ID or password was incorrect
My old Apple id is as follows; 
harvard...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:harvard...@sbcglobal.net>, and no I don’t have 
access to that email address any more, so I can’t get an email message with a 
new password from it.
Yes my current Apple id is 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>

I don’t understand why would this phone b asking for my old Apple id though, 
even though I think it is.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Do you have access to a computer and have you tried to go to 
http://AppleID.apple.com and log in there?
See if you can login with your new Apple Id and password.
As for the old one, what email did you use and to you still have access to that 
email?
If so you should be able to go to Forgot Password and get a password reset link 
emailed to the old email address.
I assume you now use 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> as your Apple Id? 
What email did you use before?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

HI Donna,
I’ve tried several times to enter my password, but the phone is not accepting 
it, that is my problem.  I don’t have any other restrictions  either.  This is 
not just to update an app, this is to update my Apple id settings, in which I 
can’t do, so as a result, I will not have access to certain account settings 
until I can get this issue rectified.  I have never selected any secret 
questions either.  I’m just thinking when I changed my password a few years 
ago, I probably should have updated certain Apple settings, but I didn’t know 
at the time I needed to do that.
Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Janet,

Try entering the password that you use to unlock your iPhone. When installing 
IOS updates the iPhone will restart once the update is complete. If you have a 
passcode set for restrictions it may be requesting that passcode be entered. My 
guess is it wants your unlock password though. If you have forgotten the 
password to your first iTunes username; when logged out of all iTunes accounts, 
enter the old iTunes user email & swipe to I Forgot. You should have had to 
setup secret questions when originally setting up the old iTunes account. You 
will be given 2 of the questions, just type in their answer. If the questions 
are   answered correctly, you will be prompted to enter a new password & 
confirm the new password.

Donna

Hi,
Ok, I signed out, and I signed back in, and that was successful.  I’m still 
getting the exact same message though.  Telling me I need to update my Apple 
settings, in which I still get the same message saying wrong password, and then 
I get a message saying to enter my Apple id, or I will not be able to use some 
services until I update my Apple id settings.  I get only one edit field, and 
even though, I tried entering my Apple id as well as my password, it still says 
wrong password.  Any other suggestions? I don’t want to merge my old and new 
Apple ID though,

Thank you all.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Signed out of both iTunes and iCloud on your iPhone. Then try to sign back in 
again. Another option is to clear you’re 

RE: Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

Hi Sieghard,
I used this link you gave me, and here is the message I received;
Your Apple ID or password was incorrect
My old Apple id is as follows; 
harvard...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:harvard...@sbcglobal.net>, and no I don’t have 
access to that email address any more, so I can’t get an email message with a 
new password from it.
Yes my current Apple id is 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>

I don’t understand why would this phone b asking for my old Apple id though, 
even though I think it is.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

Do you have access to a computer and have you tried to go to 
http://AppleID.apple.com and log in there?
See if you can login with your new Apple Id and password.
As for the old one, what email did you use and to you still have access to that 
email?
If so you should be able to go to Forgot Password and get a password reset link 
emailed to the old email address.
I assume you now use 
janet.harv...@outlook.com<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com> as your Apple Id? 
What email did you use before?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing an old Apple id.

HI Donna,
I’ve tried several times to enter my password, but the phone is not accepting 
it, that is my problem.  I don’t have any other restrictions  either.  This is 
not just to update an app, this is to update my Apple id settings, in which I 
can’t do, so as a result, I will not have access to certain account settings 
until I can get this issue rectified.  I have never selected any secret 
questions either.  I’m just thinking when I changed my password a few years 
ago, I probably should have updated certain Apple settings, but I didn’t know 
at the time I needed to do that.
Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Janet,

Try entering the password that you use to unlock your iPhone. When installing 
IOS updates the iPhone will restart once the update is complete. If you have a 
passcode set for restrictions it may be requesting that passcode be entered. My 
guess is it wants your unlock password though. If you have forgotten the 
password to your first iTunes username; when logged out of all iTunes accounts, 
enter the old iTunes user email & swipe to I Forgot. You should have had to 
setup secret questions when originally setting up the old iTunes account. You 
will be given 2 of the questions, just type in their answer. If the questions 
are   answered correctly, you will be prompted to enter a new password & 
confirm the new password.

Donna

Hi,
Ok, I signed out, and I signed back in, and that was successful.  I’m still 
getting the exact same message though.  Telling me I need to update my Apple 
settings, in which I still get the same message saying wrong password, and then 
I get a message saying to enter my Apple id, or I will not be able to use some 
services until I update my Apple id settings.  I get only one edit field, and 
even though, I tried entering my Apple id as well as my password, it still says 
wrong password.  Any other suggestions? I don’t want to merge my old and new 
Apple ID though,

Thank you all.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Signed out of both iTunes and iCloud on your iPhone. Then try to sign back in 
again. Another option is to clear you’re  cache. The last suggestion would be 
to call Apple accessibility. Unfortunately, there is no way to merge you’re old 
and new Apple ID. Concerning iTunes, you should just be able to sign out on the 
PC. If not, ensure your library is backed up, uninstall then reinstall iTunes.
Hope Paulos

On Nov 24, 2018, at 6:36 AM, 
l.d.ethie...@gmail.com<mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
If you have access to your old e-mail, you can change your pass word when you 
connect to Apple website.
If you don't have access this e-mail, I have no idea.

Go to :
https://appleid.apple.com/#!&page=signin
Lyne

Le 23 nov. 2018 à 15:56, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> a écrit :
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to remove an old email Apple id from an iPhone 6.  The reason I want 
to remove it is because on my old phone 6, I keep getting a message to update 
my Apple id settings, but when I enter my current password in o

Voice Message Alert question.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
I now can't for some reason get a voice mail message alert.  I've checked in 
the phone settings, and everything seems to be fine.  Can someone please tell 
me is there some secret to turn on something in order to get a voice mail 
message alert?
Thank you all.

Janet



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RE: Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

HI Donna,
I’ve tried several times to enter my password, but the phone is not accepting 
it, that is my problem.  I don’t have any other restrictions  either.  This is 
not just to update an app, this is to update my Apple id settings, in which I 
can’t do, so as a result, I will not have access to certain account settings 
until I can get this issue rectified.  I have never selected any secret 
questions either.  I’m just thinking when I changed my password a few years 
ago, I probably should have updated certain Apple settings, but I didn’t know 
at the time I needed to do that.
Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Janet,

Try entering the password that you use to unlock your iPhone. When installing 
IOS updates the iPhone will restart once the update is complete. If you have a 
passcode set for restrictions it may be requesting that passcode be entered. My 
guess is it wants your unlock password though. If you have forgotten the 
password to your first iTunes username; when logged out of all iTunes accounts, 
enter the old iTunes user email & swipe to I Forgot. You should have had to 
setup secret questions when originally setting up the old iTunes account. You 
will be given 2 of the questions, just type in their answer. If the questions 
are   answered correctly, you will be prompted to enter a new password & 
confirm the new password.

Donna

Hi,
Ok, I signed out, and I signed back in, and that was successful.  I’m still 
getting the exact same message though.  Telling me I need to update my Apple 
settings, in which I still get the same message saying wrong password, and then 
I get a message saying to enter my Apple id, or I will not be able to use some 
services until I update my Apple id settings.  I get only one edit field, and 
even though, I tried entering my Apple id as well as my password, it still says 
wrong password.  Any other suggestions? I don’t want to merge my old and new 
Apple ID though,

Thank you all.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Signed out of both iTunes and iCloud on your iPhone. Then try to sign back in 
again. Another option is to clear you’re  cache. The last suggestion would be 
to call Apple accessibility. Unfortunately, there is no way to merge you’re old 
and new Apple ID. Concerning iTunes, you should just be able to sign out on the 
PC. If not, ensure your library is backed up, uninstall then reinstall iTunes.
Hope Paulos

On Nov 24, 2018, at 6:36 AM, 
l.d.ethie...@gmail.com<mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
If you have access to your old e-mail, you can change your pass word when you 
connect to Apple website.
If you don't have access this e-mail, I have no idea.

Go to :
https://appleid.apple.com/#!&page=signin
Lyne

Le 23 nov. 2018 à 15:56, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> a écrit :
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to remove an old email Apple id from an iPhone 6.  The reason I want 
to remove it is because on my old phone 6, I keep getting a message to update 
my Apple id settings, but when I enter my current password in order to update, 
I get a message saying wrong password, because it is asking me to update to an 
old Apple id, and I have no idea what that password was because I haven't used 
that password in over 3 years.  I was quite surprised to see this as well.  
Matter of fact, I have the exact same problem with iTunes on my Pc, and that is 
the reason I can't use iTunes on my Pc because I don't remember the old 
password.  I'm not even sure how or when all these changes came about, or 
unless when I changed my Apple id 3 years ago, and I didn't update certain 
settings.  I'm not sure.  I also can see on the phone my current Apple id as 
well, so this is rather confusing.  In short, I don't remember the password to 
the old Apple id as I said I haven't used that for at least 3 years.  I've had 
several problems with my old phone 6, and this could very well be at least one 
of the problems, or maybe the culprit.  LOL!  Now, the question, can I change 
the old Apple id to my current Apple id, just so I don't have to start changing 
all these Apple id's and passwords? If that makes any sense!
This is getting to be quite annoying.
Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
Janet




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RE: Changing An Old Apple Id.

[janet gross]

Hi Sieghard,
This current issue I’m having has nothing to do with just downloading a 
particular app.  This update I am referring to is my Apple update settings, in 
which when I try to login, the phone is not accepting my current password.  If 
I can’t sign in to update my Apple settings, I will not be able to use some 
account services on my phone.  I firmly believe all these issues I’m having is 
because my new xr phone has the old phone 6 settings.  I will have to set up my 
xr phone once again as a new phone.  Even though, an Apple rep and I set the xr 
phone up as a new phone last week, unknown to myself, the phone 6 was connected 
to my xr phone, and the reason I say this is because my new xr phone is working 
exactly like my phone 6, in which is very poorly.

Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing An Old Apple Id.

If you are talking about an app update I assume the problem is that you may 
have originally purchased or downloaded the app with the old Apple Id. If you 
know what app it is I would simply delete it and redownload it and all should 
be good.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:38 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Changing An Old Apple Id.

Hi All,

Ok, I followed the instructions by signing out, and signing back in, and that 
was successful.  I am still getting the same message though.  On the home 
screen, it says there is one update available. So I go in to the setting's app, 
and tap on the update Apple id settings.  It says I have to sign in to update 
my Apple id settings, or some services will not be available until I sign in 
again.  When I tap on the update Apple id, I'm asked to sign in using my 
password, so I enter my password, I then get a message saying wrong password, 
and then I get a message saying I need to enter my Apple id and password, but I 
don't get an edit field to enter my Apple id just a field to enter my password. 
 Although, I did enter my Apple id in the only edit field, as well as my 
password, but I still get the same message saying wrong password.  This is 
crazy.  Any other suggestions?

Thank you all so much.

I'm really lost on this one.

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Changing An Old Apple Id.

[janet gross]

Hi All,

Ok, I followed the instructions by signing out, and signing back in, and that 
was successful.  I am still getting the same message though.  On the home 
screen, it says there is one update available. So I go in to the setting's app, 
and tap on the update Apple id settings.  It says I have to sign in to update 
my Apple id settings, or some services will not be available until I sign in 
again.  When I tap on the update Apple id, I'm asked to sign in using my 
password, so I enter my password, I then get a message saying wrong password, 
and then I get a message saying I need to enter my Apple id and password, but I 
don't get an edit field to enter my Apple id just a field to enter my password. 
 Although, I did enter my Apple id in the only edit field, as well as my 
password, but I still get the same message saying wrong password.  This is 
crazy.  Any other suggestions?

Thank you all so much.

I'm really lost on this one.

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RE: Changing an old Apple id.

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Hi,
Ok, I signed out, and I signed back in, and that was successful.  I’m still 
getting the exact same message though.  Telling me I need to update my Apple 
settings, in which I still get the same message saying wrong password, and then 
I get a message saying to enter my Apple id, or I will not be able to use some 
services until I update my Apple id settings.  I get only one edit field, and 
even though, I tried entering my Apple id as well as my password, it still says 
wrong password.  Any other suggestions? I don’t want to merge my old and new 
Apple ID though,

Thank you all.
Janet


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Hope Paulos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 6:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing an old Apple id.

Signed out of both iTunes and iCloud on your iPhone. Then try to sign back in 
again. Another option is to clear you’re  cache. The last suggestion would be 
to call Apple accessibility. Unfortunately, there is no way to merge you’re old 
and new Apple ID. Concerning iTunes, you should just be able to sign out on the 
PC. If not, ensure your library is backed up, uninstall then reinstall iTunes.
Hope Paulos

On Nov 24, 2018, at 6:36 AM, 
l.d.ethie...@gmail.com<mailto:l.d.ethie...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
If you have access to your old e-mail, you can change your pass word when you 
connect to Apple website.
If you don't have access this e-mail, I have no idea.

Go to :
https://appleid.apple.com/#!&page=signin
Lyne

Le 23 nov. 2018 à 15:56, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> a écrit :
Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to remove an old email Apple id from an iPhone 6.  The reason I want 
to remove it is because on my old phone 6, I keep getting a message to update 
my Apple id settings, but when I enter my current password in order to update, 
I get a message saying wrong password, because it is asking me to update to an 
old Apple id, and I have no idea what that password was because I haven't used 
that password in over 3 years.  I was quite surprised to see this as well.  
Matter of fact, I have the exact same problem with iTunes on my Pc, and that is 
the reason I can't use iTunes on my Pc because I don't remember the old 
password.  I'm not even sure how or when all these changes came about, or 
unless when I changed my Apple id 3 years ago, and I didn't update certain 
settings.  I'm not sure.  I also can see on the phone my current Apple id as 
well, so this is rather confusing.  In short, I don't remember the password to 
the old Apple id as I said I haven't used that for at least 3 years.  I've had 
several problems with my old phone 6, and this could very well be at least one 
of the problems, or maybe the culprit.  LOL!  Now, the question, can I change 
the old Apple id to my current Apple id, just so I don't have to start changing 
all these Apple id's and passwords? If that makes any sense!
This is getting to be quite annoying.
Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
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Changing an old Apple id.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to remove an old email Apple id from an iPhone 6.  The reason I want 
to remove it is because on my old phone 6, I keep getting a message to update 
my Apple id settings, but when I enter my current password in order to update, 
I get a message saying wrong password, because it is asking me to update to an 
old Apple id, and I have no idea what that password was because I haven't used 
that password in over 3 years.  I was quite surprised to see this as well.  
Matter of fact, I have the exact same problem with iTunes on my Pc, and that is 
the reason I can't use iTunes on my Pc because I don't remember the old 
password.  I'm not even sure how or when all these changes came about, or 
unless when I changed my Apple id 3 years ago, and I didn't update certain 
settings.  I'm not sure.  I also can see on the phone my current Apple id as 
well, so this is rather confusing.  In short, I don't remember the password to 
the old Apple id as I said I haven't used that for at least 3 years.  I've had 
several problems with my old phone 6, and this could very well be at least one 
of the problems, or maybe the culprit.  LOL!  Now, the question, can I change 
the old Apple id to my current Apple id, just so I don't have to start changing 
all these Apple id's and passwords? If that makes any sense!
This is getting to be quite annoying.
Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
Janet




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RE: Passcode issues

[janet gross]

Hi Marie,
I’m sorry to hear about your problems with the face id.  I had the same 
problem, and wow, can that be annoying!  It was actually driving me crazy!  Did 
you ever call Apple? If so, can I ask you what they told you? Have you tried 
going back to the home screen when the face id doesn’t work, and when it 
continuously asks for your passcode? I now find when it asks me for my pass 
code, and if I swipe up from the very bottom of the screen just a little until 
I feel the first vibration, and lift my finger, I can then try the face id 
option again, and the majority of the time it will unlock the phone.  I’ve also 
noticed if I hold my phone up to my face with my left hand, the phone will not 
unlock, but if I hold up the phone with my right hand, I have a much better 
chance of unlocking the phone.  Strange I know, but it is what it is!  Smile!
Matter of fact, I also had a difficult time when I was setting up face id 
myself, I was setting up the face id feature holding the phone in my left hand, 
and VO kept telling me face id is not available on this device, so I thought ok 
I’m going to try this for the fourth time, and I used my right hand then, and 
sure enough, the face id feature was accepted.  Who knows, but I must not be 
holding the phone directly in front of my face when using my left hand.  Go 
figure.  Smile!  I would like to know how your phone is now working though.
Janet

Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie N.
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Passcode issues

It seems to recognize the fingerprint fairly consistently but even so, the 
constant need to use the finger print or the passcode is too demanding. I no 
longer ever take the 6S out of the house so I have turned the passcode off on 
that phone. But I recently got an IPhone X and if not in decent light, the face 
ID does not work and it seems that it requires a code or ID every time the 
screen locks and this is ridiculous. If no one has any ideas, I will call 
accessibility tomorrow and see what they might suggest.
Marie


From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Passcode issues

Hello Marie,

I have not noticed that my phone asks me for a passcode more than before. Is it 
maybe that your fingerprint is not recognized?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie N.
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:55 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Passcode issues

In the past, as I remember it, you only needed to enter the passcode when 
powering up or after around 40 minutes of inactivity. Now it seems I have to 
enter the darn thing constantly. Is there any setting that will reduce the need 
to enter the code so often? In the passcode setting there is a section about 
when it is required and the one and only option is “immediately”. why is that 
the only selection and is there any way to change it?
Please help me with this before I lose my mind totally. LOL
Thanks,
Marie

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RE: a question about favorite radio apps

[janet gross]

Hi Arlene,
If you find a radio app that will allow one to select different stations around 
the world, oh please let me know, as I would really like an app in which I 
could select a radio station in the UK.
Janet



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Subject: Re: a question about favorite radio apps

Thank you, Janet, and everyone else concerning the radio apps. As I was saying 
there was a radio app that I had heard about that was just called radio, and 
when we searched the app store we found radio.com and radio.net. We did try 
radio.com, but we weren't too crazy about it. Maybe we'll look into radio.net. 
The radio.com app is free. It would be great to find an app that you could go 
to different radio stations, not just locally, but all over the world, as you 
could do on the computer with sites like radio locator. I was just wondering if 
there are any free radio apps where you could go to radio stations, as you can 
on tune in and now I can't think of the other app that will do that? The 
radio.com does have podcasts too, if anyone would like to try it, so that part 
was interesting too.  thank you.
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Subject: Re: a question about favorite radio apps

Thank you very much, I tried it, it was well unfortunately I couldn’t find MS 
NBC.
On Nov 22, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Janet Wright 
mailto:jan...@wrighthere.net>> wrote:
i have a lot of radio aps like cbn radio for a christian ap and pandora and 
some local radio stations
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Is this an app or is that a website. The body of your message said 
radio.com<http://radio.com>. Is that how you search for it in the App Store? Or 
is there some other way?
Johnna Simmons

On Nov 22, 2018, at 11:45 AM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
HI Arlene and All,
I have the app radio.ccom, and I listen to that everyday.  With that app you 
can select which news station you want to listen to, and it has several 
different stations   to pick from.  That app also has different music stations 
as well, and also has sport stations.  I downloaded it from the app store.  You 
can always download it to try it, from the app store, and if you don’t like it, 
you can just delete it from your phone.
Janet
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I've heard about the radio app just called radio, but in searching for it 
there's a radio.net<http://radio.net> and a radio.com<http://radio.com>, so I 
don't know which one that it was that I heard about, where you could go to 
different radio stations. It would be interesting to hear about other favorite 
radio apps. Thank you.
Arlene
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RE: a question about favorite radio apps

[janet gross]

Hi Johnna,
Yes, that is the way one would search for it in the app store.
Janet



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Is this an app or is that a website. The body of your message said 
radio.com<http://radio.com>. Is that how you search for it in the App Store? Or 
is there some other way?
Johnna Simmons

On Nov 22, 2018, at 11:45 AM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
HI Arlene and All,
I have the app radio.ccom, and I listen to that everyday.  With that app you 
can select which news station you want to listen to, and it has several 
different stations   to pick from.  That app also has different music stations 
as well, and also has sport stations.  I downloaded it from the app store.  You 
can always download it to try it, from the app store, and if you don’t like it, 
you can just delete it from your phone.

Janet



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I've heard about the radio app just called radio, but in searching for it 
there's a radio.net<http://radio.net> and a radio.com<http://radio.com>, so I 
don't know which one that it was that I heard about, where you could go to 
different radio stations. It would be interesting to hear about other favorite 
radio apps. Thank you.

Arlene


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RE: a question about favorite radio apps

[janet gross]

HI Adrian,
I’m sorry I should have mentioned the app is free, and it is totally accessible 
with VO.
Janet



From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about favorite radio apps

Is it a free app?how is it with voice over?
adrian Leong
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On Nov 22, 2018, at 9:45 AM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

HI Arlene and All,
I have the app radio.ccom, and I listen to that everyday.  With that app you 
can select which news station you want to listen to, and it has several 
different stations   to pick from.  That app also has different music stations 
as well, and also has sport stations.  I downloaded it from the app store.  You 
can always download it to try it, from the app store, and if you don’t like it, 
you can just delete it from your phone.

Janet



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Subject: a question about favorite radio apps

I've heard about the radio app just called radio, but in searching for it 
there's a radio.net<http://radio.net/> and a radio.com<http://radio.com/>, so I 
don't know which one that it was that I heard about, where you could go to 
different radio stations. It would be interesting to hear about other favorite 
radio apps. Thank you.

Arlene


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RE: a question about favorite radio apps

[janet gross]

HI Arlene and All,
I have the app radio.ccom, and I listen to that everyday.  With that app you 
can select which news station you want to listen to, and it has several 
different stations   to pick from.  That app also has different music stations 
as well, and also has sport stations.  I downloaded it from the app store.  You 
can always download it to try it, from the app store, and if you don’t like it, 
you can just delete it from your phone.

Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: a question about favorite radio apps

I've heard about the radio app just called radio, but in searching for it 
there's a radio.net and a radio.com, so I don't know which one that it was that 
I heard about, where you could go to different radio stations. It would be 
interesting to hear about other favorite radio apps. Thank you.

Arlene


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Happy Thanksgiving!

[janet gross]

HI All,

I would like to wish everyone who celebrates Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving, 
and for those who don't celebrate it, have a wonderful day as well.

Janet



















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RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

[janet gross]

Hi, 
I'm reluctant to enter my pass code when out in public or around some people 
who I might not know very well, for the simple fact, I use vo, and if I can 
hear vo, I'm sure others can hear it as well.  As far as entering my pass code 
while my phone is in my pocket, again, if I can hear vo, I'm sure others can as 
well.  I Wouldn't buy ear phones just for that reason.  I will now use the home 
gesture for unlocking my phone.   
Janet 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

To each their own, but I wouldn't be as reluctant to enter in my pin. You can 
do so with your phone still in your pocket or purse or if that's too awkward, 
then just enable the screen curtain so if someone's actually taking the time to 
watch you for the 2 or 3 seconds that it takes to punch in 4 or 6 or whatever 
digits, they'll see you tapping away at a black screen anyway. If I'm out and 
about, I always use a blutooth earpiece. Be it my Trekz Air or Plantronics 
5500. Having Vo just chattering away like that feels awkward and it's hard to 
hear anyway. I like my privacy too.
I do prefer the old touch ID method, but ho well, so goes technology. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Maria, 
 Unfortunately, that won't work for me.  If the face id doesn't recognize my 
face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the 
phone, I have to enter my pass code.  Smile!  Now, if I have to enter my pass 
code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my 
pass code when out in public though.  I don't think that is a smart thing to 
do, as one might not know who is around.  I know when I power down the phone I 
have to enter my pass code.  
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite 
amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or 
even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I 
wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had 
the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was 
setting up the face id.  I think this alone is quite amazing though!  I'm 
actually blown away by this!  It doesn't take much to please me!  Smile! 

Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet, 
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then 
after that you can use Face ID. 

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 4:08 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Aleeha and all,  
> 
> Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when 
> face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my 
> code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again.  Although, when I am 
> out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the 
> face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel 
> comfortable entering my code when out in public.  
> 
> Janet 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
> 
> Hi, 
> You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This 
> will initiate a second scan.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and 
>> then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan 
>> tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off 
>> and wake the iPhone again to try again.
>> After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with 
>> a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice 
>> Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
>> I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me 
>> unfortunately.
>> Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
>>

RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

[janet gross]

Anna, 
Ok, I just tried the home gesture now, and low in behold, it worked!  Something 
that simple, and I didn't even think of it!  
Thank you thank you!  
Janet 




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Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:49 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet,

Try doing the Home gesture again; it should scan again. You can also lock and 
then unlock the screen.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 18, 2018, at 5:43 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria, 
> Unfortunately, that won't work for me.  If the face id doesn't recognize my 
> face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the 
> phone, I have to enter my pass code.  Smile!  Now, if I have to enter my pass 
> code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my 
> pass code when out in public though.  I don't think that is a smart thing to 
> do, as one might not know who is around.  I know when I power down the phone 
> I have to enter my pass code.  
> Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite 
> amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark 
> or even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, 
> I wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even 
> had the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when 
> I was setting up the face id.  I think this alone is quite amazing though!  
> I'm actually blown away by this!  It doesn't take much to please me!  Smile! 
> 
> Janet 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
> 
> Hi Janet, 
> If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then 
> after that you can use Face ID. 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 4:08 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Aleeha and all,  
>> 
>> Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when 
>> face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my 
>> code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again.  Although, when I am 
>> out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the 
>> face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel 
>> comfortable entering my code when out in public.  
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
>> To: viPhone
>> Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This 
>> will initiate a second scan.
>> Aleeha 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and 
>>> then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan 
>>> tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it 
>>> off and wake the iPhone again to try again.
>>> After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with 
>>> a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice 
>>> Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
>>> I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me 
>>> unfortunately.
>>> Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ronald
>>> 
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RE: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Anna, 
Thank you again for this.  So, trickle charge mode, I didn't know this, 
although, this does make sense though so it doesn't over charge.  This is good 
to know.  
Thank you again.  

Janet 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

Hi Janet,

In the last few percents of charge, the phone goes into a trickle charge mode 
where charging is slow so the battery won't overcharge. That's probably why you 
saw it take a while for the battery to go from 99% to 100%.

There was a bug in the software when iOS 12 first came out that meant devices 
sometimes didn't charge if they were locked when you plugged them in. that bug 
was fixed in an update. It's possible that you ran into the bug with the 
charger that came with your phone, and that all of the hardware is actually 
working. Make sure you have the latest version of iOS 12.1, and try the new 
hardware again the next time you need to charge.

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 18, 2018, at 5:01 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, 
> De, I can't believe I didn't even think of that!  Woe, I'm losing it!  Smile! 
>  Ok, I did switch the old and new cables, and the wall bricks, and now, both 
> old and new cables say charging in the status bar on the home screen.  
> Although, it took all this time for the batteries to finally charge from 99 
> percent to 100 percent.  This doesn't sound right.  Since I've had the phone 
> I used it with the old charger, and it would charge to 100 percent, but now 
> it seems like the batteries are having a hard time charging with the old and 
> new cables and bricks.Any thoughts? 
> Thank  you so much.  
> Janet 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:52 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.
> 
> Hi Janet,
> 
> Try the new cable with the old charging brick, and vice versa. See which 
> combination doesn't work.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 3:42 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anna, 
>> Thank you for this, but may I ask how to figure out which is the bad one? 
>> Any suggestions please? 
>> 
>> Janet 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Anna Dresner
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:17 PM
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sounds like you have either a bad charging brick or a bad cable. Once you 
>> have figured out which you have, contact Apple so you can get the defective 
>> part replaced.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:58 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> Does the Lightning Connector that comes with an iPhone xr charge the phone? 
>>> I recently bought the xr phone, but when I plug in the Lightning Connector, 
>>> it does not charge the phone.  So, I've been using the phone 6 charger that 
>>> came with the phone 6 in order to charge my new xr phone.
>>> Any help with this issue will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

[janet gross]

Hi Maria, 
 Unfortunately, that won't work for me.  If the face id doesn't recognize my 
face the first time, I don't get a second chance, so in order to unlock the 
phone, I have to enter my pass code.  Smile!  Now, if I have to enter my pass 
code to unlock the phone when I am out, I don't feel comfortable entering my 
pass code when out in public though.  I don't think that is a smart thing to 
do, as one might not know who is around.  I know when I power down the phone I 
have to enter my pass code.  
Although, I have to admit when I unlock my phone using face id, I'm quite 
amazed that the face id can still recognize my face even if I'm in the dark or 
even if I am wearing my sun glasses, as when I set up the face id feature, I 
wasn't wearing my sun glasses, and I was in a bright setting, and I even had 
the screen curtain turned on as I usually do, but I forgot it was on when I was 
setting up the face id.  I think this alone is quite amazing though!  I'm 
actually blown away by this!  It doesn't take much to please me!  Smile! 

Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 4:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi Janet, 
If you completely power down your phone you will have to enter your code then 
after that you can use Face ID. 

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 4:08 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Aleeha and all,  
> 
> Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when 
> face id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my 
> code, or simply turn off the phone, and try it again.  Although, when I am 
> out and about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the 
> face id instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel 
> comfortable entering my code when out in public.  
> 
> Janet 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?
> 
> Hi, 
> You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This 
> will initiate a second scan.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and 
>> then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan 
>> tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off 
>> and wake the iPhone again to try again.
>> After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with 
>> a finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice 
>> Over. No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
>> I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me 
>> unfortunately.
>> Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
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RE: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Anna, 
De, I can't believe I didn't even think of that!  Woe, I'm losing it!  Smile!  
Ok, I did switch the old and new cables, and the wall bricks, and now, both old 
and new cables say charging in the status bar on the home screen.  Although, it 
took all this time for the batteries to finally charge from 99 percent to 100 
percent.  This doesn't sound right.  Since I've had the phone I used it with 
the old charger, and it would charge to 100 percent, but now it seems like the 
batteries are having a hard time charging with the old and new cables and 
bricks.Any thoughts? 
Thank  you so much.  
Janet 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:52 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

Hi Janet,

Try the new cable with the old charging brick, and vice versa. See which 
combination doesn't work.

HTH,
Anna




> On Nov 18, 2018, at 3:42 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, 
> Thank you for this, but may I ask how to figure out which is the bad one? 
> Any suggestions please? 
> 
> Janet 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:17 PM
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> Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sounds like you have either a bad charging brick or a bad cable. Once you 
> have figured out which you have, contact Apple so you can get the defective 
> part replaced.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:58 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> Does the Lightning Connector that comes with an iPhone xr charge the phone? 
>> I recently bought the xr phone, but when I plug in the Lightning Connector, 
>> it does not charge the phone.  So, I've been using the phone 6 charger that 
>> came with the phone 6 in order to charge my new xr phone.
>> Any help with this issue will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Anna, 
Thank you for this, but may I ask how to figure out which is the bad one? 
Any suggestions please? 

Janet 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

Hi,

Sounds like you have either a bad charging brick or a bad cable. Once you have 
figured out which you have, contact Apple so you can get the defective part 
replaced.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:58 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> Does the Lightning Connector that comes with an iPhone xr charge the phone? I 
> recently bought the xr phone, but when I plug in the Lightning Connector, it 
> does not charge the phone.  So, I've been using the phone 6 charger that came 
> with the phone 6 in order to charge my new xr phone.
> Any help with this issue will be appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Janet
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

[janet gross]

Hi Aleeha and all,  
 
Oh how I wish this home gesture would work with my xr phone, because when face 
id doesn't work the first time, I have no other choice but to enter my code, or 
simply turn off the phone, and try it again.  Although, when I am out and 
about, I usually will turn off the phone, and I will then try the face id 
instead of entering my code when out in public, as I don't feel comfortable 
entering my code when out in public.  

Janet 



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Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Face ID: how to initiate second scan with Voice Over?

Hi, 
You can also perform the home gesture by swiping up from the bottom, This will 
initiate a second scan.
Aleeha 

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Most of the time the Face ID works pretty well on my iPhone XS, but now and 
> then it fails to recognize me. I believe since iOS 12, the times the scan 
> tries is only once. After that you have to put in your code or switch it off 
> and wake the iPhone again to try again.
> After a search I have learned sighted users can initiate a second scan with a 
> finger flick from a bottom corner upwards. This doesn’t work with Voice Over. 
> No other finger flick seems to do the trick for that matter.
> I have asked Apple Accessibility about this, but they never answer me 
> unfortunately.
> Does anyone here know if there is a way to scan again with Voice Over?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ronald
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Lightning Connector With Phone XR Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hello Everyone,
Does the Lightning Connector that comes with an iPhone xr charge the phone? I 
recently bought the xr phone, but when I plug in the Lightning Connector, it 
does not charge the phone.  So, I've been using the phone 6 charger that came 
with the phone 6 in order to charge my new xr phone.
Any help with this issue will be appreciated.

Thank you.

Janet





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Amazon Strikes Deal With Apple.

[janet gross]

Hi All,
Well, I've been reading the news again, and I thought some might be interested 
in knowing this.
Janet

Amazon strikes deal with Apple to sell new iPhones and iPads
The products will be sold directly from Apple and Apple-authorized retailers
By
Chaim Gartenberg
@cgartenberg
Nov  9, 2018, 11:37am EST
Amazon has made a deal with Apple that will see the Cupertino tech company sell 
its products - including iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches - directly on
Amazon, according to a report
from CNET.
Amazon has sold Apple products before, but those have been from third-party 
sellers, which means that the prices are often variable (and wildly different
from the "official" Apple prices) and that sourcing isn't as reputable.
Apple products will start rolling out on Amazon sites in the US, UK, France, 
Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, and India over the next few weeks, including
both Apple's devices and those sold under the Apple-owned Beats brand. The deal 
doesn't include every Apple product, though. For example, Apple's Echo-competing
HomePod is notably not going to be sold on Amazon.
In a statement released to The Verge, an Amazon spokesperson commented, "Amazon 
is constantly working to enhance the customer experience, and one of the
ways we do this is by increasing selection of the products we know customers 
want. We look forward to expanding our assortment of Apple and Beats products
globally."
As part of the deal, only Apple or Apple-authorized resellers will now be 
allowed to sell Apple and Beats devices through Amazon's site. Any companies
that are currently selling Apple products on Amazon will see their listings 
taken down starting on January 4th, and they'll need to apply to Apple to become
official resellers before they'll be allowed to sell them again on Amazon.

Update November 9th, 11:44AM: Added Amazon statement given to The Verge.




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We Might Finally Know Why Apple Cut XR Phone Orders.

[janet gross]

HI All,
I just came  across this as I was reading the news.  So, I thought I would 
share, as some might be interested in this.
Janet

We might finally know why Apple cut iPhone XR orders, and it has nothing to do 
with slow sales
Yoni Heisler
@edibleapple
November 7th, 2018 at 2:20 PM

Earlier this week, a somewhat sketchy report surfaced claiming that Apple told 
its manufacturing partners to reduce iPhone XR production due to lower than
anticipated demand. Even more alarming, the report claimed that overall 
production might drop by as much as 25%. Naturally, many took the report as 
further
proof that the iPhone has hit its peak, even though the report seemed to raise 
far more questions than answers.
For starters, the claim that iPhone XR demand is exceedingly below expectations 
runs somewhat counter to a previous report from reputed analyst Ming-Chi
Kuo who just recently raised his iPhone XR sales estimate for the December 
quarter. Further, it seems odd that Apple would drastically cut production ahead
of the busy holiday shopping season. So just what, exactly, is going on?
Well as it turns out, Apple may have indeed ordered a rollback in production, 
but not for reasons pertaining to demand. According to a research note from
analyst Jun Zhang (originally brought to light by Philip Elmer-DeWitt's
Apple 3.0),
there may have been some quality control issues involving the iPhone XR's 
printed circuit boards that led to a reduction in production output.
Zhang's note reads in part:

We also believe component pull-ins are slowing down this week. We believe some 
Printed Circuit Board (PCB) supplier shipments of HDI boards were quickly
dropped this week. This may be attributable to quality issues from Skyworks 
PAs. We believe this potential round of iPhone XR production cuts by Apple
may be attributable to the recently found PA quality issues.
In short, the sky isn't falling and iPhone sales aren't about to drop 
drastically. Far from it, it stands to reason that Apple during the current 
holiday
quarter will see a huge boost in iPhone sales due to a wide selection of 3 
brand new iPhone models. Of course, with Apple no longer keen on releasing 
quarterly
iPhone sales, we really won't be able to know how iPhone sales fared relative 
to previous quarters.
Broadly speaking, the original report regarding a drop in iPhone production 
illustrates why Apple understandably wants to keep iPhone sales close to its
chest. As we saw here, a report regarding a drop in iPhone production can 
easily be interpreted in a completely misleading manner and not accurately 
portray
the vibrancy of Apple's business. Similarly, with iPhones no longer launching 
on a set schedule these days (with last year's iPhone X launching in November
and the iPhone XR launching in late October of this year), a random 12 week 
snapshot of iPhone sales is not nearly as instructive as it was years ago.

https://bgr.com/2018/11/07/iphone-xr-production-may-have-nothing-to-do-with-lower-demand/



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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

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Maria, 
When I press the volume up, and the power button, that is bringing up the S.O.S 
emergency call.  The samething when I press the volume down and the power 
button.   

Janet 
Janet 

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Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Janet, What happens if you hold the power and one of the volume buttons for 10 
seconds? 

My group: 
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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:33 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Harry, 
> I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is to 
> why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  
> 
> Janet. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gordon
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
> 
> So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
> just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
> for what you're wanting to do.
> 
> 
>> On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
>> Harry,
>> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>> 
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Harry, 
I should have the option if I want to reboot my phone or not regardless is to 
why I want to reboot, but I can't fine any way to do this.  

Janet. 


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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

So in your case since it's just a typical reboot, do as I suggested by 
just turning the phone off and back on. You don't need to force reboot 
for what you're wanting to do.


On 11/4/2018 11:22 AM, janet gross wrote:
> Harry,
> I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>
> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and 
> you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard 
> reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
> Harry
>
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

HI, 
Yes, I agree with you this shouldn't cause VO to change, but it does.  
Janet 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

This shouldn't cause VO to change at all since you're turning the volume 
up one and back to where it was when you hit the volume down. So here's 
how to do it, press volume up and quickly release, then press volume 
down and quickly release. Then hold down the side button and count to 
12. This should give you your reboot.


On 11/4/2018 10:07 AM, janet gross wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
> Thank you in advance.
> Janet
>
>
>

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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Ok I once again tried to do a typical restart, by pressing the power button and 
wait for the option to shut down, but that only just brought up Siri, not a 
restart though.  
Any other suggestions? 
Janet 
Thank you.  



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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Yes, press volume up and release quickly. then press volume down and 
release quickly. Then press and hold power button and count to 12. Your 
phone will reboot and come up like you're wanting. This is something you 
would want to do if the phone is stuck or other things like that. If 
you're just wanting to do a typical restart, power down by holding power 
button until voice over says power down. Then choose the on screen 
button to shut it down. then just turn your phone back on.


On 11/4/2018 11:19 AM, janet gross wrote:
> HI Maria,
> Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not 
> for very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So 
> this isn't working either.
> Any other suggestions?
> Thank you.
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Reyes
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.
>
> You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
> hold them in too long or you will call 911.
>
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
>> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap 
>> and you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h 
>> hard reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
>> Harry
>>
>>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Harry, 
I want to reboot the phone as I usually do after downloading some updates.  
Janet 




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Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of screen 
to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and you get 
the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard reset, do the 
dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
Harry

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
> Thank you in advance.
> Janet
> 
> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

HI Maria, 
Ok I just tried pressing the up volume button and the power button but not for 
very long, and I got a message telling me I can take a screen shot.  So this 
isn't working either.  
Any other suggestions? 
Thank you.  
Janet 




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Maria Reyes
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

You can also hold the power button with one of the volume buttons but don't 
hold them in too long or you will call 911. 

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:15 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you just want to shut it down, go into Settings and tap at bottom of 
> screen to go to bottom of list, the last setting is Shut Down. Double tap and 
> you get the usual screen with double tap to shut down. If you want h hard 
> reset, do the dance with the up, down and shake it all about...
> Harry
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 16:07, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
>> volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and 
>> the phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is 
>> happening is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone 
>> does not come back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if 
>> it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't 
>> believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
>> So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
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RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Ok, I just now pressed the power button and the down volume button, and I got a 
message S.O.S  emergency, wow, I swiped until I heard cancel.  So this way 
doesn't work either.  Any other suggestions? 

Thank you.   
Janet 

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Andrew
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hi Janet,
It is my understanding Power button on right of XR and only one of volume 
buttons. Down
arrow I believe

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janet
gross
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 9:07 AM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: Rebooting a xr phone question please.

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and
then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the phone will 
reboot.
Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening is lowering the vo 
voice so
I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come back on automatically either 
like I
was told it would, but if it does, I can't hear anything.  I know I can turn vo 
back
on, but I can't believe this is the way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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Rebooting a xr phone question please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
I want to reboot my xr phone, and I was told by Apple to first press the up 
volume and then press the down volume and then press the power button, and the 
phone will reboot.  Now, when I do this the only thing that I know is happening 
is lowering the vo voice so I can't hear anything, and the phone does not come 
back on automatically either like I was told it would, but if it does, I can't 
hear anything.  I know I can turn vo back on, but I can't believe this is the 
way to reboot the phone.
So if any xr phone users know how to reboot the phone, please share?
Thank you in advance.
Janet



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RE: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hello, 
I don't remember ever seeing the keychain feature on my phone though, so I need 
to look in iCloud to find this feature? 
Thank you.  
Janet 




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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

It depends if you back up your keychain to iCloud. If you do, it backs
up your wifi settings and passwords. If you are concerned about
network security, unchek the keychain backup in iCloud settings.

Kelly

On 11/2/18, janet gross  wrote:
> HI Dave,
> Wow, I guess I'm better than I thought!  Smile!  The rep who helped me from
> my phone carrier also said when I go home, I would only have to enter my
> network as well as my password, but this is fine with me.  You get no
> argument from me, the easier it is the more I like it!  LOL!
>
> Janet
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet. in a way, you have answered your own question.
>
> when you grabbed your settings from your old phone, it also got your WiFi
> settings.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:57 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.
>
> Hi Everyone,
> Because I now have my new phone, and I am going through it to check all the
>
> settings.  One question is I didn't have to set up WI-Fi by entering my WIFI
>
> password or network key when I brought the phone home.  Although, it is
> saying 3 of 3 WI-FI bars is on in the status bar on my phone.  Does this
> sound right? I always thought I would have to enter my WI-Fi network key as
>
> well as the password though.
> My phone carrier and I transferred all the settings from my old phone to my
>
> new phone though, but like I said I still thought when I came home I would
> have to enter the network key as well as the password.
> So can someone please tell me what I am misunderstanding here?
>
> Thank you all in advance.
> Janet
>
>
>
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RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [

[janet gross]

HI Cristóbal and All,
Yes, I have to agree with you when you say: you do notice a difference in 
overall performance between your new Xr and your old SE, but it’s not like it’s 
night and day either.  I’m coming from a phone 6 to a xr in which the phone 6 
either over heated or caught fire because the total front screen was completely 
coming off, and whenever I opened an app, aw man, my phone would get extremely 
hot, to the point I wouldn’t even hold it in my hands.  Matter of fact, I had 
to keep putting my phone on a cool  surface, and wait for several minutes for 
the phone to cool down.  Matter of fact, my phone carrier at the last minute 
decided they didn’t want my old phone because it was so badly damaged, but they 
still gave me a $250 credit.  No one wants my old phone!  LOL!
Now, don’t get me wrong, my new phone xr is a nice phone, but I just don’t see 
a huge difference or not as of yet, but I’ve only had it since yesterday, so I 
am still trying to get used to it though.
Janet




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [

With the newer phones we’re probably dealing with the diminishing returns issue 
on processor performance. Especially with VO users like ourselves who don’t’ 
use graphic intensive games or apps.
I do notice a difference in over all performance between my new Xr and my old 
SE, but it’s not like it’s night and day either.

Cristóbal

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Feir
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [

As usual, Sieghard, you display imminent sense. I'm probably happier than Apple 
really wants me to be with my 7. It took until this generation to even reach 
this point of mild interest. Processor speed is the only area where I'd really 
have to disagree with you. I noticed some fairly large improvements going from 
4 to 5S and from 5S to 7. Processor speed makes a noticeable difference when 
you're listening to music, have email, word processing and social media all 
going. They usually check for updates in the background. I found that I could 
have more happpening without things locking up on me which used to be a far 
more frequent occurance. I think part of that is VoiceOver placing demands on 
the processor. I also suspect it might make a difference with navigational apps 
but haven't made good use of those for a long enough period to judge.

Due to a couple of unfortunate business failures, we don't have some of the 
more intensive audio games that used to exist. Papa Sangre and Audio Defence 
really put iPHONEs through their paces. There are some over-priced arcade style 
games around but nothing like what Something Else Ltd brought to us. Story and 
statistic-driven games like Six Ages don't demand much from processors despite 
their complexity.

You're absolutely right when it comes to being caught up in the upgrade frenzy. 
There have been hinge points though. Going to the 64-bit 5S certainly made a 
big difference for me. My 7 was certainly a noticeable improvement but more in 
terms of stability and quicker app switching, openning and closing. A lot of 
little things.


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:46 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Michael,

Here is my take on some of what you said:

“I have an iPHONE7 and am pretty happy with it. However, I would jump at the XR 
if money were no object.”
I still have my 6S Plus with 64Gb of storage and only using about half. If 
money were no object I’d get an iPhone XS Max with 256Gb or 512Gb, I mean, 
heck, money is no object, right?

“Things have reached the point where I'd actually be interested in the 
improvements to the processor and camera” and “If the camera results in better 
OCR and object recognition, that would also be very helpful.”
The difference in the camera between the iPhone 7 and XR or for that matter 
even between the iPhone 6S and iPhone XS may be of importance when it comes to 
doing fancy photography, but they won’t make a hoot of a difference when it 
comes to OCR. At least that is my opinion, even the camera of the 6S is already 
so good that for simple OCR it is just fine and in fact I sometimes wonder if 
too much detail isn’t actually having a negative effect.
As for processor speed you may notice this in processor intensive games, but 
for every-day tasks the faster processor makes a negligible difference. I have 
often noticed that when I upgraded, e.g. when I upgraded from a 4S to a 5S or 
the 5S to the 6S which always were two-generation jumps that for almost all of 
the day to day stuff I do the increased processor speed was not all that 
noticeable.

“I have 3d Touch disabled and never liked it so that's no great loss.”
Well, 3D Touch is personal preference, I don’t 

RE: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

[janet gross]

HI Dave, 
Wow, I guess I'm better than I thought!  Smile!  The rep who helped me from my 
phone carrier also said when I go home, I would only have to enter my network 
as well as my password, but this is fine with me.  You get no argument from me, 
the easier it is the more I like it!  LOL!  

Janet 
Thank you.  



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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

Hi Janet. in a way, you have answered your own question.

when you grabbed your settings from your old phone, it also got your WiFi 
settings.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: janet gross
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 2:57 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

Hi Everyone,
Because I now have my new phone, and I am going through it to check all the 
settings.  One question is I didn't have to set up WI-Fi by entering my WIFI 
password or network key when I brought the phone home.  Although, it is 
saying 3 of 3 WI-FI bars is on in the status bar on my phone.  Does this 
sound right? I always thought I would have to enter my WI-Fi network key as 
well as the password though.
My phone carrier and I transferred all the settings from my old phone to my 
new phone though, but like I said I still thought when I came home I would 
have to enter the network key as well as the password.
So can someone please tell me what I am misunderstanding here?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet




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New Phone and WI-FI Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
Because I now have my new phone, and I am going through it to check all the 
settings.  One question is I didn't have to set up WI-Fi by entering my WIFI 
password or network key when I brought the phone home.  Although, it is saying 
3 of 3 WI-FI bars is on in the status bar on my phone.  Does this sound right? 
I always thought I would have to enter my WI-Fi network key as well as the 
password though.
My phone carrier and I transferred all the settings from my old phone to my new 
phone though, but like I said I still thought when I came home I would have to 
enter the network key as well as the password.
So can someone please tell me what I am misunderstanding here?

Thank you all in advance.
Janet




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RE: Question about charging the phone

[janet gross]

Hi Dave and All,  
Ok, now this sounds much better.  I just couldn't imagine to get a full charge 
it would take that long.  I think I had mentioned to you before I didn't know 
if I would get the phone 8 or the phone 10r, but I did feel the size of the 
10R, and it wasn't half as bad as I thought it would be meaning to large for my 
hands.   
Besides, the 10R felt even better in my hands when I got a $250 credit for a 
trade in of my old phone, even though my phone is as old as it is, and the 
front screen is just about completely off from the batteries over heating, and 
I still got $250 as a trade in.  LOL!  I couldn't believe it, so I took the 
deal!  Smile!  

Thank you so much.  
Janet 



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Dave
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone

They recommend it, for all new phones, just for the first charge. It won't 
do any arm to your phone.

Dave.


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From: janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about charging the phone

John,
I'm still surprised why it might take that long for a full charge though. 
Maybe someone who has an iPhone 10r will chime in here, or I will find out 
for myself when I get my phone in 2 or 3 days.Just pretty curious about 
this though.
Janet



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Of John Panarese
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone

   I think the person you were replying to originally mentioned they connect 
their phone to their PC. If you are plugging it into the wall, if it’s like 
the XS, it shouldn’t take more than a couple of hours to recharge to full.


> On Oct 30, 2018, at 4:05 PM, janet gross  
> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
> I never use my computer to charge my phone.  I am pretty curious to see 
> just how long this 10R will really take to charge.  I will be quite 
> surprised if it really takes that long for a full charge, when my iPhone 
> 6, I  guaranteer a full charge take only 25 or 30 minutes, and the iPhone 
> 6 is old now!  Wow, it looks like I just might miss my old phone.  LOL!
> Janet
> , I
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of John Panarese
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone
>
>   Connecting your phone to a computer is always going to be a much slower 
> charge. I would plug it into the wall instead. It should only take an hour 
> or two to fully recharge from a  low to completely dead state back up to 
> 100 percent.
>
>
>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:52 PM, janet gross  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rena and All,
>> Rena, this is a good question in which I would like to know as well.  I 
>> just bought a new iPhone 10R, and I asked the rep from my phone carrier 
>> why would it take about three hours for a full charge as this is what he 
>> told me.  Although, my phone carrier ordered the phone for me in the 
>> color that I wanted, so I don’t have the phone as of yet to actually 
>> check that.  I do currently have an iPhone 6, and I can get a full charge 
>> with this phone in 25 or 30 minutes, but not with the new 10R? I don’t 
>> understand this one though.
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>
>> From: 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Question about charging the phone
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I always charge my iPhone plugging it to the pc .I notice that usually it 
>> takes only a couple of hours, but sometime after several hours it’s still 
>> charging. Does anyone have a similar experience, or know the reason for 
>> needing so many hours?
>> Rena
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RE: Question about charging the phone

[janet gross]

John, 
I'm still surprised why it might take that long for a full charge though.  
Maybe someone who has an iPhone 10r will chime in here, or I will find out for 
myself when I get my phone in 2 or 3 days.Just pretty curious about this 
though.  
Janet  



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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone

   I think the person you were replying to originally mentioned they connect 
their phone to their PC. If you are plugging it into the wall, if it’s like the 
XS, it shouldn’t take more than a couple of hours to recharge to full.


> On Oct 30, 2018, at 4:05 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, 
> I never use my computer to charge my phone.  I am pretty curious to see just 
> how long this 10R will really take to charge.  I will be quite surprised if 
> it really takes that long for a full charge, when my iPhone 6, I  guaranteer 
> a full charge take only 25 or 30 minutes, and the iPhone 6 is old now!  Wow, 
> it looks like I just might miss my old phone.  LOL!  
> Janet 
> , I 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Panarese
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone
> 
>   Connecting your phone to a computer is always going to be a much slower 
> charge. I would plug it into the wall instead. It should only take an hour or 
> two to fully recharge from a  low to completely dead state back up to 100 
> percent.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:52 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rena and All, 
>> Rena, this is a good question in which I would like to know as well.  I just 
>> bought a new iPhone 10R, and I asked the rep from my phone carrier why would 
>> it take about three hours for a full charge as this is what he told me.  
>> Although, my phone carrier ordered the phone for me in the color that I 
>> wanted, so I don’t have the phone as of yet to actually check that.  I do 
>> currently have an iPhone 6, and I can get a full charge with this phone in 
>> 25 or 30 minutes, but not with the new 10R? I don’t understand this one 
>> though.  
>> Janet 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Question about charging the phone
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I always charge my iPhone plugging it to the pc .I notice that usually it 
>> takes only a couple of hours, but sometime after several hours it’s still 
>> charging. Does anyone have a similar experience, or know the reason for 
>> needing so many hours?
>> Rena
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RE: Question about charging the phone

[janet gross]

Hi John, 
I never use my computer to charge my phone.  I am pretty curious to see just 
how long this 10R will really take to charge.  I will be quite surprised if it 
really takes that long for a full charge, when my iPhone 6, I  guaranteer a 
full charge take only 25 or 30 minutes, and the iPhone 6 is old now!  Wow, it 
looks like I just might miss my old phone.  LOL!  
Janet 
, I 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about charging the phone

   Connecting your phone to a computer is always going to be a much slower 
charge. I would plug it into the wall instead. It should only take an hour or 
two to fully recharge from a  low to completely dead state back up to 100 
percent.


> On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:52 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rena and All, 
> Rena, this is a good question in which I would like to know as well.  I just 
> bought a new iPhone 10R, and I asked the rep from my phone carrier why would 
> it take about three hours for a full charge as this is what he told me.  
> Although, my phone carrier ordered the phone for me in the color that I 
> wanted, so I don’t have the phone as of yet to actually check that.  I do 
> currently have an iPhone 6, and I can get a full charge with this phone in 25 
> or 30 minutes, but not with the new 10R? I don’t understand this one though.  
> Janet 
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about charging the phone
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I always charge my iPhone plugging it to the pc .I notice that usually it 
> takes only a couple of hours, but sometime after several hours it’s still 
> charging. Does anyone have a similar experience, or know the reason for 
> needing so many hours?
> Rena
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RE: Question about charging the phone

[janet gross]

Hi Rena and All,
Rena, this is a good question in which I would like to know as well.  I just 
bought a new iPhone 10R, and I asked the rep from my phone carrier why would it 
take about three hours for a full charge as this is what he told me.  Although, 
my phone carrier ordered the phone for me in the color that I wanted, so I 
don’t have the phone as of yet to actually check that.  I do currently have an 
iPhone 6, and I can get a full charge with this phone in 25 or 30 minutes, but 
not with the new 10R? I don’t understand this one though.
Janet



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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:41 PM
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Subject: Question about charging the phone

Hello,

I always charge my iPhone plugging it to the pc .I notice that usually it takes 
only a couple of hours, but sometime after several hours it’s still charging. 
Does anyone have a similar experience, or know the reason for needing so many 
hours?
Rena
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RE: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Aleeha, 
 
Thank you for this.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 5:32 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

Hi, 
The charging block and cable come with both phones. 
HTH, 
Aleeha 

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 5:16 PM, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> Well, I'm finally going to take the plunge, and buy  a new iPhone, as I 
> definitely need one.  I'm not sure yet if I will buy an iPhone 8 or the new 
> xr yet though.  My question is does a battery charger come with the phone 8 
> or the xr phone?
> Thank you all in advance.
> Janet
> 
> 
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iPhone 8, iPhone xr battery chargers Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
Well, I'm finally going to take the plunge, and buy  a new iPhone, as I 
definitely need one.  I'm not sure yet if I will buy an iPhone 8 or the new xr 
yet though.  My question is does a battery charger come with the phone 8 or the 
xr phone?
Thank you all in advance.
Janet



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RE: Mark on iPhone 10 S Max and iWatch Series 4, Form-Factor

[janet gross]

Hi Nancy, 
So you're going to keep your phone as long as you can.  I don't blame you 
especially if your phone is providing you what you want it to do.  Good for 
you, I'm happy to hear that.  
sJanet 




-Original Message-
From: 'Nancy Badger' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iPhone 10 S Max and iWatch Series 4, Form-Factor

I am still desperately clinging to my iPhone 6 Plus. I love that it is large 
enough for me to use what limited vision I have left. Of course I can’t read 
anything on the phone, but I can see where one I can’t stops and another one 
starts. I won’t get a new phone until I absolutely have to. By the way, that 
duffel bag sure was funny

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 5:56 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> To be honest I don't even put my X in a separate pocket in my purse. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 1:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iPhone 10 S Max and iWatch Series 4, Form-Factor
> 
> Hi,
> Kelly it's funny you say this because when I got my first plus device I had 
> to buy a new purse because it wouldn't fit in what I had at the time.  They 
> just don't make purse pockets for the plus's even now finding a purse to 
> handle a folding cane and a plus size phone even the nerdy girls have issues 
> oy the challenges (laughing lots).
> Robin
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iPhone 10 S Max and iWatch Series 4, Form-Factor
> 
> Remember mark that the physical shape of the phones needs to fit into the 
> pants pocket of most men. If it can't fit into a back pants pocket, the phone 
> is a deal breaker for many. The edge to edge screen and plus size form factor 
> enables Apple to deliver huge screens for a smart phone without massively 
> blowing up the size so nerdy males won't buy it.
> 
> 
> the disappointment will be for sighted people and the 10 R at the end of 
> October. Its screen will look about the same as the iPhone 4, introduced in 
> 2010.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
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>> On 9/22/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Let me just say that the following is just my opinion and it is not 
>> intended to persuade or dissuade anyone of anything.
>> 
>> Yesterday, I went to a remote Best Buy retail store where, as I 
>> expected, there were almost no customers.
>> 
>> The Apple section was completely deserted except for one very 
>> enthusiastic Apple representative.
>> 
>> Although I had not fully recognized it myself, some part of me really 
>> wanted to be wowed by the 10 S Max in terms of its 6.5 inch display 
>> size.  As you may recall, I have often stated that I am not ready for 
>> Face ID yet, I discovered that I was somewhat open to purchasing a 10 
>> S Max if it could wow me, enough.
>> 
>> Five years or so ago, I had a friend who owned one of the first modern 
>> phablets, the Samsun Mega.  I believe the screen size was 6.3 inches.  
>> Its physical size was so large that every time I used it, I felt as 
>> though I was a little kid playing with a grown-up's device.  I just 
>> couldn't stop grinning, every time I held it in my hand.
>> 
>> It was huge  Yet, despite its size, I really, really liked it.  It 
>> felt, just as the term phablet implies, like a cross between a phone 
>> and a tablet computer.
>> 
>> Believe it or not, I found myself finding ways to spend more time with 
>> my friend just so I could play with that Samsung Mega.  (smile)
>> 
>> I almost bought one for myself but, at that time, I just didn't like 
>> Android enough to make the investment.  Soon after, Samsung stopped 
>> making the Mega.
>> 
>> 
>> So, yesterday, as I entered the Apple section of the store, I suppose, 
>> on some subconscious level, I was hoping to see that same huge 
>> form-factor on the 10 S Max.  It didn't happen.  In fact, believe it 
>> or not, the actual body, or form-factor of the 10 S Max is almost identical 
>> to my 8 Plus.
>> 

RE: IOS 12 observations

[janet gross]

Hi Dave, 
So you finally took the plunge!  I'm happy to hear the new update iOS 12 is 
working out for you.  Since I've updated to iOS 12, I can't use the home button 
to check the time quickly in which that was handy, but I'm sure I will get use 
to using the power button as well.  
Lots of luck!  
Janet 
 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 12 observations

I have an iPhone 6, and an iPhone 6s, plus my new iPhone 8.

I thought i would try the new Ios 12 update today, on my iPhone 6 first, 
before updating my later phones.

I have to say, that the update is absolutely fine, and the iPhone 6, still 
gives me the time, when i press the home button.

whether this will be the same, when i decide to update my later phones, 
remains to be seen.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 12:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 12 observations

Mike, that was nice about being able to tap the home button for the time,
but with this alternative way of doing it with tapping the power button is
good too. Yup, apple just messed up our $400 to $1000 clocks, hahahahahaha,
but I'm glad you found doing it with the power button. While it's a very
minor thing, it's something we got so use to doing when checking on the
time. As they say little things mean a lot. Thanks for letting us know.

Arlene

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: IOS 12 observations


> So far, IOS 12 seems to be working fine for me, I have only noticed one 
> thing that is annoying. When pressing the home button, the time is no 
> longer automatically spoken, I use this as a talking clock. It is spoken 
> when using the power button to wake the phone though, I guess I will just 
> use that for now. Other than that, have not noticed any issues.
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RE: A Matter of Perspective - Was: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hey Traci,
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it!
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Matter of Perspective - Was: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the 
Difference

Isn’t this all the truth! I have my same Perkins Brailer from when I was a 
child. 😉 and we are talking a while back now.

It is sometimes an internal tug-of-war for me between wanting the new 
technology and keeping what I have that works perfectly well. LOL! Works 
perfectly well and I still like it.

Amused,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2018, at 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Bill,

You are correct, in terms of an old style telephone or, for that matter, a 
quality analogue watch with a wind-up mechanism, the iPhone and Apple Watch 
have very short life spans. However, an iPhone is as much like one of these old 
telephones as a computer is like an electronic calculator. I still have my 
Sharp talking calculator and watch bought around 1985, shortly after I became 
blind. Both still work just fine and they essentially do what a basic 
calculator and talking watch do today. However, that doesn’t mean my iPhone or 
computer do a lot more and as it is the nature of technology, it continues to 
be developed and people continue to want whatever new designs, features, larger 
storage capacities, better cameras etc. are part of said technology.
I guess one could say it’s comparing Apples to Oranges, pun intended.


From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:02 AM
To: viPhone E-Mail List 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: A Matter of Perspective - Was: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the 
Difference

 I suppose what ‘m about to write here can be attributed to my “Long in the 
Tooth” age, but I find it so very amusing when it’s suggested that the smart 
phones (any brand) will last a long time - meaning maybe 5 or 6 years.  I 
readily recall when a telephone was designed and manufactured to survive all 
but a nuclear blast.

In fact, one of the first quite interesting bits of information I learned when 
I first began working at AT&T Bell Labs was that the company had a concrete 
platform at the base of a 10 story building in New Jersey; that concrete 
platform was used as a proofing ground for new AT&T telephone designs.  A 
prototype telephone would be repeatedly dropped from the 10th story onto the 
concrete platform until it continued to function properly after that 10-story 
fall.

Times, and customer expectations, certainly have changed over the past  60 or 
so years.

And, yes, I understand that these smart phones do so much more than the old 
POTS telephones.  But ultimately, I believe that the principle purpose of 
having a phone of any kind is to make telephone calls.  I certainly appreciate 
the “pocket computer” aspect of the modern smart phone, but I do get a chuckle 
when I hear about how they are designed to last a long time; again, meaning 
maybe 5 or 6 years!  ;-)

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RE: Texting using Siri.

[janet gross]

Hi Carolyn, 
I don't have any idea what you are referring to here.   
Janet 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Texting using Siri.

When I send a text message using Siri, is there a way I can
get her to include one of the images, emodicons, or whatever
you call those things that are listed for when keyboard
texting? 

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hi traci,
I’m also seriously thinking about taking the same approach getting my batteries 
replaced on my phone 6, and not upgrading right now.  Although, I do have a few 
unwanted flakes with my phone that I am going to try and correct.  I will then 
update to iOS 12, and the phone just might be like new again, and that wouldn’t 
surprise me!
Janet

I don’t have to have the best or the newest phone, just as long as it does what 
I want it to do, I’m fine with it!  Smile!  Hey Traci, I don’t think Apple will 
get rich off of people like you and I, and matter of fact like several others, 
who I think are thinking the same way we are!  LOL!
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Janet, The battery replacement and not upgrading plan is what I’m thinking of. 
I’m still quite happy with my 6s. And I noticed they’ve stopped the rose gold 
color. That’s too bad.

Traci

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2018, at 3:52 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]<img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8<http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 perce

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Kenny,
I think the older the phone is the less you might get back in a trade in 
though.  I could very well be wrong, and maybe someone else will chime in here 
regarding this.  When I bought my phone 6, I asked Apple one year later what 
would they give me for a trade in, and they said $100, and I paid $815, and 
only had it for a year.  I told them not a chance!  It’s not going to happen.
Janet

Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Bought it from the Apple site. They want to give me only $529 (Apple gift card) 
for a phone I paid $749 (Including tax) for? I don't think so. Maybe they'll go 
up to $629 if I wait a little longer. I mean the darn thing is still 
practically brand new.



If anyone knows of a trade-in deal being offered by Verizon, ATnT, Tmobile that 
offers more than $529 for an iPhone 8 (In pristine condition,) please let me 
know.


On 9/17/2018 6:52 PM, janet gross wrote:
Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]<img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8<http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Carolyn, says, I can say this, that I've lived a long time with a lot of 
changes, and life goes on way easier to adapt to them than to resist them. 

Janet says, let's go with the flow! Smile! 
Janet 
 !   


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

That would be cool, only they have to be in sync with a phone, but the phone 
could spend its life on the table, while we went around with our watches doing 
whatever we do with the things. It's hard to think of opening the news or 
weather app with one or talking on the phone. I think someone mentioned Blue 
Tooth ear buds, and if they had those, well, maybe, I could improvise. 

I can say this, that I've lived a long time with a lot of changes, and life 
goes on way easier to adapt to them than to resist them. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Hey Carolyn, 
I'm beginning to think if we want the smaller screens, we might have to buy an 
iWatch, because Apple is coming out with these larger and larger phones.  So 
maybe by next year when Apple brings out another new phone, maybe they will 
increase the size of the iWatch just a little from what they are now, and Voila 
 there's the new SE phone back, for those who like the smaller screens!  Smile! 
I don't know anything about the iWatches though, but by the looks of things, we 
might have to learn about them!  Smile!  I'm also beginning to wonder about 
these larger phones, maybe those are going to take the place of the iPad Minis! 
 LOL!  Just my personal  opinion.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Some people say they like the larger phones. I really like my SE and hope that 
by the time I'd be thinking of trading for that XR that there could be a newer 
and smaller phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny, 

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

A lot to think about.  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

 

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

 

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

 

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference


 
<http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png>
 <img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" /> 

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8 <http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8>  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.


What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our compari

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hi Kenny, 
I know ATT&T had a trade in, they were giving $700 if you bought a xs or a x 
Max.  I heard about that from another friend.  You would have to check it out, 
as I don't know very much about ATT&T though.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

You not going to get anymore than that from the phone companies or
apple. How many gb is it? Also just because the screen size is bigger
doesn't mean the over all phone is.

On 9/17/18, Kenny  wrote:
> Bought it from the Apple site. They want to give me only $529 (Apple
> gift card) for a phone I paid $749 (Including tax) for? I don't think
> so. Maybe they'll go up to $629 if I wait a little longer. I mean the
> darn thing is still practically brand new.
>
>
> If anyone knows of a trade-in deal being offered by Verizon, ATnT,
> Tmobile that offers more than $529 for an iPhone 8 (In pristine
> condition,) please let me know.
>
>
> On 9/17/2018 6:52 PM, janet gross wrote:
>> iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference
>>
>> Kenny,
>>
>> Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if
>> not all phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My
>> only concern about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it
>> might be too large for my hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone
>> is much larger than my phone 6.  I will have to wait to go to a store
>> and feel the xr for myself.
>>
>> But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I
>> update to iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before
>> December, I might not even need to update, but I’ll see.
>>
>> A lot to think about.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kenny
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference
>>
>> Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find
>> an easy way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model
>> instead. Sounds like a nice phone.
>>
>> On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>>
>> This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
>>
>>
>>   iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
>>
>> iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference<img
>> class="aligncenter"
>>
>> src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
>> alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />
>>
>> Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the
>> iPhone 8 <http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone
>> lineup. This is more because of the way it has been priced as it
>> is the cheapest newest iPhone in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup.
>> There’s a huge size difference between the two but given how Apple
>> has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most
>> popular iPhone of all the three handsets.
>>
>>
>> *What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?*
>>
>> So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter
>> really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.
>>
>>
>>   *Design*
>>
>>   * iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
>>   * iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified
>>
>> The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is
>> largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD
>> display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR
>> is still relatively compact since it features an almost bezel-less
>> display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, the
>> iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red,
>> Yellow, and Orange.
>>
>>
>>   *Display*
>>
>>   * iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792
>> x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
>>   * iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334
>> x 750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D

RE: IPhone SE manual

[janet gross]

Hi,
This is good to know so when I update, I will know where to look.
Thank you so much.
Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE manual


There is no manual for specific iPhone models, they are for the iOS version 
and, like Anna said, you can open the Books app and search for iPhone user 
guide and you will find them.
The iBooks icon now simply says Books under iOS 12.
HTH,
Richard


"The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right 
place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
Nevill





[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:59 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Anna,
Thank you for this.  When you say iBooks, after updating to iOS 12, that iBook 
will be called Apple Books? Is this right?
Janet


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:44 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: IPhone SE manual

Hi,

You can also open the Books (formerly iBooks) app, choose Library, then Search, 
and search for iPhone user guide.

Best,
Anna





On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:

Bob, I have a SE, and the very best help for me with it has been the Hadley 
videos. They have a lot of them that give pretty good coverage of most aspects 
of the phone.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: IPhone SE manual

Hi, does anyone know where I can find a downloadable version of the SE manual? 
Apple support doesn't appear to offer one, and I didn't find anything that 
actually worked on Google.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG



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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hi Kliph,
Thank you for this.  This does make sense when considering the size of a phone 
one might want.  Maybe there’s some hope yet for me to get the XR though, as 
that is what I wanted, but I’ll see.
the screen sizes and the edge to edge is something I didn’t even think about.
Janet

From: 'Kliphton Miller' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Let’s be clear here.  The screen size is bigger, not actual size.  Remember the 
XR is going to be edge to edge.  The screen size of the X is 5.8, and the 6, 7, 
and 8, are all 4.7.  But the x is actually smaller then all of those because of 
being edge to edge, really nice phone too, just sole mine this morning to get 
the max, or XR, not sure just yet.

On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:52 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]<img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />
Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8<http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.
What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?
So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.
Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified
The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.
Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch
The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.
Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine
Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.
The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second,

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Dave, 
I don't currently have 3d Touch now, so I don't think I would miss that with 
the XR phone.  So that's fine with me.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

remember, that the XR doesn't have 3D touch.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 12:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

It does sound like a nice phone.

Right now, my plan is to wait a year or so, see if I can trade my phone up 
to an XR. I doubt I'll get anything really for my phone, but $10-$25 is 
better than nothing.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like 
a nice phone.




On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:



This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html



iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference




Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 8 
  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the 
most popular iPhone of all the three handsets.




What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really 
that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


* iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
* iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due 
to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 
1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 
certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch 
of colors including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


* iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
* iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the 
market right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the 
iPhone XR lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


* iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
* iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes 
to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up 
to 15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less 
power when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent 
faster performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It 
is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows 
the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly 
helps in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.




Storage


* iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
* iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 
128GB, and 256GB.


Camera


* iPhone XR – Single 1

RE: IPhone SE manual

[janet gross]

Hi Anna, 
Thank you for this.  When you say iBooks, after updating to iOS 12, that iBook 
will be called Apple Books? Is this right? 
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:44 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: IPhone SE manual

Hi,

You can also open the Books (formerly iBooks) app, choose Library, then Search, 
and search for iPhone user guide.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I have a SE, and the very best help for me with it has been the Hadley 
> videos. They have a lot of them that give pretty good coverage of most 
> aspects of the phone. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Onwardbob
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IPhone SE manual
> 
> Hi, does anyone know where I can find a downloadable version of the SE 
> manual? Apple support doesn't appear to offer one, and I didn't find anything 
> that actually worked on Google.
> 
> BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG
> 
> 
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RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Dave,
Are you kidding? I thought I heard the xr phone was quite larger than the other 
phones, but I was hoping I had just misunderstood.
Are you confirming my worst fears? LOL!
Janet
ead

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

yes, it is bigger, than the iPhone 6, 6s, and the iPhone 8, as they are all the 
same size.

Dave.


From: janet gross<mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]<img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8<http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.
[iPhone 8 front view]<i

RE: some apple watch questions

[janet gross]

Hi, 
LOL!  Did you say over $1600 for the watch, or what sucker are you talking 
about? 
Over $1600 Woe!  
Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some apple watch questions

woh over 1600? is that the stainless steel model? Sorry you have to
wait until the middle of October. I am wondering if I should get apple
care for it just encase.

On 9/17/18, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just ordered my 4th generation watch.
>
> It will be here middle of October.
>
> Didn't expect to pay more for it then I did my Iphone 8+.
>
> That sucker cost me a tad over 1,600 U.S dollars including tax and the
> apple
> care package.
>
> Anyways, I sure hope its worth it.
>
> I love the workout aspect of it, the heart rate.
>
> I am huge into outdoors and distance etc.
>
> So, From that point of view and the weather I think I will.
>
> However, I thought there was something recently that showed a book or info
> on how to set up the watch, get familiar at least with the basic of a
> watch.
>
> I never had any of the earlier generations.
>
> So, this is my first watch.
>
> Any tips or info as to where I can put my hands on this info would be super
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>   _
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:55 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: some apple watch questions
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> You can see your average heart rate. If you go into the Heart Rate app, you
> can get more specific info, including realtime heart rate measurements.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Linda Gaitskell' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Anna
>
>
>
> Once you have finished your work out is it possible to see what your heart
> rate was during the work out or can you only see your current heart rate.
>
> Thanks
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2018, at 16:25, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>
> Hello Mohib,
>
>
>
> The book is available from National Braille Press at
>
> www.nbp.org 
>
> Search for watch on the main page, and you'll find it right away.
>
>
>
> And no, the workout app doesn't announce your heart rate all the time,
> though it is measuring it constantly. So you can unlock the screen and find
> out what it is at any time, but most of the time, the screen is locked, and
> the app isn't speaking information.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:36 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anna, is this book available in India to purchase?
>
> On 9/17/18, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks very much, Sadam. I'm so glad you liked the book. and fortunately,
> the changes to the watch mean that while the book won't cover the new
> features, it should still be accurate about the features it describes.
>
> I'm not doing a Getting sTarted with the iPhone book this year because
> demand is way down. The changes in iOS 12 are small enough that the iOS 11
> version should still be helpful, though.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>
> I recently purchased Anna's excellent book You and  Your  Apple Watch.
>
> It was amazingly well written!
>
> Even with the exchange rate I didn't hesitate to hit that buy button.
>
> I'd consider myself quite an advanced user of tech, but even I learn some
> very handy tips and tricks from Anna's wonderful book.
>
> Advanced or basic user, anyone wanting to get to grips with the Wach from
> a blindness perspective should jump at purchasing the above title.
>
> Thanks again for writing such a fantastic book Anna, I would rate this
> book 5 stars  and then some.
>
> Are you planning to update Getting Started with the iPhone and iOS 11 once
> iOS 12 is released?
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Direct link to purchase Anna's mentioned book for the Watch:
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WATCH.html
>
> On 9/17/2018 12:35 AM, Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My favorite things about the watch are getting notifications on my wrist
> and the fitness stuff. In a crowded, noisy environment, getting a tap on
> the wrist when a text message comes in means I'm more likely to know I
> got the message. I'm not that into fitness, but being reminded to get up
> and walk around each hour has improved my health, I'm sure.
>
> Sometimes when it's hard to get my phone out in a hurry, being able to
> answer the phone from my wrist is convenient.
>
> There are apps that are really helpful in addition to the built-in ones
> as well. I have one called Clicker that simply lets you tap it to count
> things. I knit, and some of the patterns require counting rows. I love
> having the count on my wrist, where it's easy to access.
>
> It's also easier to deal with text messages from the watch without

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Carolyn, 
When I do get a new phone, I will keep my current phone, and use it for other 
things though.  I don't have any plans on trading in my phone.  Although, I 
don't even think I could get a trade in even if I wanted to.  
Janet 



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

It does sound like a nice phone.

Right now, my plan is to wait a year or so, see if I can trade my phone up to 
an XR. I doubt I'll get anything really for my phone, but $10-$25 is better 
than nothing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.




On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:



This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html



iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference

 

 


Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8   in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.




What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


*   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
*   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite 
the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


*   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
*   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


*   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
*   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, 
Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it 
comes to performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a 
different level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 
15 percent faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power 
when compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as 
well. It is now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while 
the A11 Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This 
allows the A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly 
helps in quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.

 

 


Storage


*   iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
*   iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers t

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hey Carolyn, 
I'm beginning to think if we want the smaller screens, we might have to buy an 
iWatch, because Apple is coming out with these larger and larger phones.  So 
maybe by next year when Apple brings out another new phone, maybe they will 
increase the size of the iWatch just a little from what they are now, and Voila 
 there's the new SE phone back, for those who like the smaller screens!  Smile! 
I don't know anything about the iWatches though, but by the looks of things, we 
might have to learn about them!  Smile!  I'm also beginning to wonder about 
these larger phones, maybe those are going to take the place of the iPad Minis! 
 LOL!  Just my personal  opinion.  
Janet 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Some people say they like the larger phones. I really like my SE and hope that 
by the time I'd be thinking of trading for that XR that there could be a newer 
and smaller phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

Kenny, 

Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.  

But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.  

A lot to think about.  

Janet 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

 

Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.

 

On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

 

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading. 

 



http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html


iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference


 
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src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" /> 

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the 
iPhone 8 <http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8>  in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is 
more because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone 
in Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two 
but given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.


What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?


So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter 
really that much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.


Design


*   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
*   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is 
largely due to the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite 
the 1.4-inch jump in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact 
since it features an almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. 
Unlike the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors 
including Red, Yellow, and Orange.


Display


*   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 
x 828 pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
*   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 
750 pixel (326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina 
display. Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market 
right now. However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR 
lacks 3D Touch.


Processor


*   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 
percent faster, 50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
*   iPhone 8 – A

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Hi,
I felt the iPhone 6 plus before, and it was just to big for my hands, and 
covered to much of my face when I held it up to my ear, but who knows maybe my 
hands grew in the last year!  Smile!  I’m still going to try it, but I just 
can’t remember the size of my phone 6 right now either though.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Yeah the XR is going to have a 6.1 inch screen. Not as big as the XS MAX, but 
still pretty large. It will be bigger than the 8 plus.

On 9/17/2018 5:52 PM, janet gross wrote:
Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]<img class="aligncenter" 
src="http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/iPhone-XR-Best-Features-11.png";
 alt="iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference" />

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8<http://iphonehacks.com/iphone-8> in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Me

RE: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference

[janet gross]

Kenny,
Maybe talk to your phone carrier about a trade in.  I think most if not all 
phone carriers are doing some kind of trade in promotion.  My only concern 
about the xr phone in which is what I would like, it might be too large for my 
hands.  From my understanding, the xr phone is much larger than my phone 6.  I 
will have to wait to go to a store and feel the xr for myself.
But then again, I just might take a watch and wait approach.  If I update to 
iOS 12, and maybe get the battery replacement before December, I might not even 
need to update, but I’ll see.
A lot to think about.
Janet


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference


Man! I just purchased a new iPhone 8 2 months ago. Wish I could find an easy 
way to sell it, so I could get this new iPhone XR model instead. Sounds like a 
nice phone.


On 9/17/2018 12:03 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

This might interest some people who are on the fence about upgrading.


http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/iphone-xr-vs-iphone-8-whats-the-difference.html
iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What’s the Difference
[iPhone XR vs iPhone 8: What's the Difference]

Despite its size suggesting otherwise, the iPhone XR replaces the iPhone 
8 in Apple’s iPhone lineup. This is more 
because of the way it has been priced as it is the cheapest newest iPhone in 
Apple’s 2018 iPhone lineup. There’s a huge size difference between the two but 
given how Apple has priced the iPhone XR, it is likely going to be the most 
popular iPhone of all the three handsets.

What is the difference between iPhone XR and iPhone 8?

So, how does the iPhone 8 compare to the iPhone XR? Is the latter really that 
much better? Let’s find out in our comparison.

Design

  *   iPhone XR – 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm and 194g, IP67 certified
  *   iPhone 8 – 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm and 148g, IP67 certified

The iPhone XR is substantially larger than the iPhone 8. This is largely due to 
the former coming with a bigger 6.1-inch LCD display. Despite the 1.4-inch jump 
in screen size, the iPhone XR is still relatively compact since it features an 
almost bezel-less display. Both phones are IP67 certified. Unlike the iPhone 8, 
the iPhone XR is also available in a bunch of colors including Red, Yellow, and 
Orange.

Display

  *   iPhone XR – 6.1-inch True Tone Liquid Retina LCD display, 1792 x 828 
pixels (326 ppi), No 3D Touch
  *   iPhone 8 – 4.7-inch True Tone Retina HD IPS LCD display, 1334 x 750 pixel 
(326 ppi), 3D Touch

The iPhone XR comes with a bigger and higher resolution Liquid Retina display. 
Apple claims it is the most color accurate LCD display in the market right now. 
However, unlike the 4.7-inch display of the iPhone 8, the iPhone XR lacks 3D 
Touch.

Processor

  *   iPhone XR – A12 Bionic, 7nm chip, 6-core CPU which is 15 percent faster, 
50 percent faster 4-core GPU, 8-core Neural engine
  *   iPhone 8 – A11 Bionic, 10nm chip, 6-core CPU, 4-core GPU, Neural engine

Apple’s A11 Bionic chip from last year is still a powerhouse when it comes to 
performance. With the iPhone Xs though, Apple is taking things to a different 
level altogether. The two performance cores in A12 bionic are up to 15 percent 
faster, while the 4 efficiency cores consume 50 percent less power when 
compared to the A11 Bionic. The 4-core GPU also offers 50 percent faster 
performance when compared to the A11 Bionic and it has been optimized 
specifically for Metal 2.

The 8-core Neural engine is getting a massive performance boost as well. It is 
now capable of processing 5 trillion operations per second, while the A11 
Bionic’s Neural engine tops out at 600 million operations/sec. This allows the 
A12 Bionic to complete certain system tasks faster and also greatly helps in 
quickly completing complex calculations for Memoji and Animoji.
[iPhone 8 front view]
Storage

  *   iPhone XR – 64GB, 128GB, 256GB
  *   iPhone 8 – 64GB, 256GB

While Apple offers the iPhone 8 in two different storage tiers of 64GB and 
256GB, it offers the iPhone XR in three different storage tiers: 64GB, 128GB, 
and 256GB.

Camera

  *   iPhone XR – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8, 1.4um large pixels, OIS, 
Smart HDR, Focus Pixels, Portrait mode with advanced bokeh and Depth control, 
Quad-LED True Tone Flash
  *   iPhone 8 – Single 12MP camera setup with f/1.8 aperture, 1.22um pixel 
pitch, OIS, Auto HDR, Focus Pixels, Quad-LED True Tone Flash

The iPhone XR and iPhone 8 both feature a 12MP shooter at its rear.

RE: IPhone X

[janet gross]

Hi, 
Oh sure I completely agree with you.  I'm going to call my phone carrier, and 
see what they have, and then I will make my decision is to what phone I will 
buy.  
Janet  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gordon
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone X

this is a pricing strategy more than anything else. The iPhone 7 is 
going to be their new budget phone coming in at $449. You can probably 
fine the SE really cheap at the different carriers and in other places.
On 9/13/2018 10:58 AM, janet gross wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Well, I have to admit, I'm quite disappointed in Apple with their so called 
> new phones for 2018.  The iPhone x has been discontinued as well as the 
> iPhone SE and the iPhone 6s.  that is probably why you don't see it on 
> Apple's web site.  Marie, no you're not the only one who is curious.  Why 
> discontinue the iPhone x, but bring out the iPhone xr which is supposed to be 
> the same as the iPhone x from last year!  Go figure!
> Oh yeah, one can buy an iPhone 7 or 7s as well as the iPhone 8.  This makes 
> no sense at all.  I bought my iPhone 6 in 2015 for $799 with a charger as 
> well as iPods, so where is the budget phone!
> Janet
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone X
>
> They did this so they could force you to buy this years model. Making
> you spend more money of course but you can still purchase they 8 or
> 8plus from last year or buy used.
>
> On 9/13/18, Marie N.  wrote:
>> The IPhone x has disappeared from the Apple website. Is it discontinued, and
>> if so would anyone have a clue as to why they would discontinue last year’s
>> phone? This is very strange to me. I quite often buy the previous year’s
>> model when the new one is released and the price drops on the prior phone. I
>> don’t know that a phone as new as the X being dropped especially when you
>> can still get the seven or eight. Am I the only one curious?
>>
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RE: face id question

[janet gross]

Hi Mary and all, 
Well, I have to admit, if I'm walking down the street or sitting in a 
restaurant and I want to unlock my phone for whatever reason, I would feel like 
a real idiot pulling my phone out of my purse, and just holding it up to my 
face, so now, I've unlocked my phone so someone can just walk right pass, and 
grab the phone, but who knows, they just might say thank you!  
Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id question

Hi Sieghard,
Yes, I am upset about the security ramifications of face ID. In my own personal 
use case, living where I do and with my current mobility limitations, thank you 
chemotherapy, it’s not a huge deal for me. But I can’t see it being a big deal 
for others. So it’s not all about me.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi mary,
> 
> You are so worried about Face Id yet you want to buy one of the new phones?
> I am not worried about it at all and actually think for me it would be better 
> since often when I do lots of woodworking I can't use Touch Id for days 
> because my fingers have little cuts, I get glue on them etc.
> I have a 6S Plus and had the battery replaced by Apple a little over 3 months 
> ago and while I'd love to have a waterproof phone, I see little other 
> incentive to upgrade.
> I guess if I were on a plan where I paid lots of money to have the option to 
> upgrade every year I'd of course do it, but at this point I like my $49 plan 
> (canadian Dollars) with unlimited calling, texting and 6Gb of data so that 
> means for me that I'd have to buy a phone at full price and that's just not 
> happening. I am, however, much more tempted by the Apple Watch 4, my wife and 
> I both have second generation Apple Watches and I do find it frustrating how 
> slow they sometimes are.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: face id question
> 
> Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
> on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
> snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just 
> think it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over 
> by most folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion 
> that somebody could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never 
> even knew it was gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks 
> having their pockets picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too 
> many people, because it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it 
> doesn’t affect all blind people, although I do know folks who say that even 
> for them, when they can’t use the attention feature, went home, they have a 
> turned off, because it is a hassle.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
>> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
>> Touch Id.
>> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
>> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could 
>> not remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get 
>> into that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
>> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
>> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
>> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
>> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least 
>> another year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and 
>> I have other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get 
>> used to it it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id 
>> is not perfect, either. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: face id question
>> 
>> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessa

RE: IPhone X

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone, 
Well, I have to admit, I'm quite disappointed in Apple with their so called new 
phones for 2018.  The iPhone x has been discontinued as well as the iPhone SE 
and the iPhone 6s.  that is probably why you don't see it on Apple's web site.  
Marie, no you're not the only one who is curious.  Why discontinue the iPhone 
x, but bring out the iPhone xr which is supposed to be the same as the iPhone x 
from last year!  Go figure!  
Oh yeah, one can buy an iPhone 7 or 7s as well as the iPhone 8.  This makes no 
sense at all.  I bought my iPhone 6 in 2015 for $799 with a charger as well as 
iPods, so where is the budget phone!   
Janet 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone X

They did this so they could force you to buy this years model. Making
you spend more money of course but you can still purchase they 8 or
8plus from last year or buy used.

On 9/13/18, Marie N.  wrote:
> The IPhone x has disappeared from the Apple website. Is it discontinued, and
> if so would anyone have a clue as to why they would discontinue last year’s
> phone? This is very strange to me. I quite often buy the previous year’s
> model when the new one is released and the price drops on the prior phone. I
> don’t know that a phone as new as the X being dropped especially when you
> can still get the seven or eight. Am I the only one curious?
>
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