Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Arnold Schmidt]

I had never heard of this gesture, I am glad it is there for those who want it. I won't use it, though, being that I want to read what I am about to send,   to make sure it doesn't have any errors, and   is what I really want to send. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 16, 2024, at 10:59 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:I just did that the other day, so no, I’m not experiencing this behavior.Jenn
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On Mar 16, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:Hi all,I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input mode.Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?Regards:Cory JacksonSent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/15E5F491-2661-4E47-8C94-9710ADC898E9%40gmail.com.



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RE: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Richard Turner]

OK, that does work once I realized that since I am writing in screen away mode, 
three finger swipe up is toward my head and the three finger swipe indeed sends 
a text message.

The Apple list of gestures says the three finger swipe up also enters a 
carriage return when not in a text message, which it does, but it also says to 
move to a new line, a two finger swipe right works, which it does as well.

VoiceOver says “new line” for both commands.

Perhaps the two finger swipe right is a soft return while the three finger 
swipe up is a hard return?

In any case, I appreciate knowing I can send a text more easily.

 

 

 

 

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Yest it is. Type braille directly on the iPhone screen with VoiceOver - Apple 
Support 
<https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/type-braille-on-the-screen-iph10366cc30/ios#:~:text=Enter%20braille%20on%20the%20screen%201%20Set%20the,%E2%80%9Cz%E2%80%9D%29%2C%20or%20adjust%20the%20rotor%20to%20another%20setting.>
 

 

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I'd never heard of that gesture for sending text messages. I always get out of 
braille screen input and double tap the send button. 

Is that a default gesture?

 

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On Mar 16, 2024, at 6:40 AM, Cory Jackson mailto:coryl.jack...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all,
I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible 
to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input 
mode.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Regards:
Cory Jackson

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RE: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Richard Turner]

Thanks.

It didn’t work for me, but I will try again and make note of this list of 
gestures.

 

Thanks,

 

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Yest it is. Type braille directly on the iPhone screen with VoiceOver - Apple 
Support 
<https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/type-braille-on-the-screen-iph10366cc30/ios#:~:text=Enter%20braille%20on%20the%20screen%201%20Set%20the,%E2%80%9Cz%E2%80%9D%29%2C%20or%20adjust%20the%20rotor%20to%20another%20setting.>
 

 

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Subject: Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

 

I'd never heard of that gesture for sending text messages. I always get out of 
braille screen input and double tap the send button. 

Is that a default gesture?

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

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On Mar 16, 2024, at 6:40 AM, Cory Jackson mailto:coryl.jack...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi all,
I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible 
to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input 
mode.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Regards:
Cory Jackson

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Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Jennie Facer]

I just did that the other day, so no, I’m not experiencing this behavior.

Jenn
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> On Mar 16, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer 
> possible to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille 
> screen input mode.
> Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
> Regards:
> Cory Jackson
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yest it is. Type braille directly on the iPhone screen with VoiceOver - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/type-braille-on-the-screen-iph10366cc30/ios#:~:text=Enter%20braille%20on%20the%20screen%201%20Set%20the,%E2%80%9Cz%E2%80%9D%29%2C%20or%20adjust%20the%20rotor%20to%20another%20setting.>

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Turner
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I'd never heard of that gesture for sending text messages. I always get out of 
braille screen input and double tap the send button.
Is that a default gesture?

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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On Mar 16, 2024, at 6:40 AM, Cory Jackson 
mailto:coryl.jack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible 
to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input 
mode.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Regards:
Cory Jackson

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Lyne]

Hello,
No issue here with Message but with WhatsApp yes.

Lyne

> Le 16 mars 2024 à 09:40, Cory Jackson  a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer 
> possible to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille 
> screen input mode.
> Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
> Regards:
> Cory Jackson
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: sending text messages using braille screen input

[Richard Turner]

I'd never heard of that gesture for sending text messages. I always get out of 
braille screen input and double tap the send button. 
Is that a default gesture?

Richard, USA
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> On Mar 16, 2024, at 6:40 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer 
> possible to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille 
> screen input mode.
> Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
> Regards:
> Cory Jackson
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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sending text messages using braille screen input

[Cory Jackson]

Hi all,
I have noticed over the last few versions of Ios that it is no longer possible 
to perform a 3 finger swipe up to send a text while in braille screen input 
mode.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Regards:
Cory Jackson

Sent from my iPhone

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Braille screen input with google search?

[Lelia Struve]

Hi all, I have an iPhone 14 pro.  I do not have the 17 update.  But I noticed 
that when I do a Google search and use the braille screen input it doesn’t work 
anymore. Is anyone else havingthis problem? Thanks.   

Lelia 

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RE: Braille Screen Input

[Christopher Chaltain]

For some reason, I thought you placed the three fingers from one hand down 
first and then the three fingers from the other hand, but this never worked for 
me! I'll try this method, but it doesn't seem like it saves too much over just 
typing the letters f, o and r. 

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I knew it was something like that, but I just could not get it to work.  I got 
it now.  I was not releasingmy fingers quick enough.

Thanks,

Chris
 


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> Hi Chris,
> 
> What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
> fingers.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the 
>> iPhone, since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  
>> Just having a little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be 
>> appreciated.
>> 
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Re: Braille Screen Input

[Chris Chaffin]

I knew it was something like that, but I just could not get it to work.  I got 
it now.  I was not releasingmy fingers quick enough.

Thanks,

Chris
 


> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
> 
> What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
> fingers.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the 
>> iPhone, since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  
>> Just having a little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be 
>> appreciated.
>> 
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Re: Braille Screen Input

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Chris,

What you do is type a Q, then lift 1 finger, then type dot 6, then lift all 
fingers.

Jenn

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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
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Braille Screen Input

[Chris Chaffin]

How do you type the word, f o r, for, using braille screen input on the iPhone, 
since it will not recognize using all six dots at the same time.  Just having a 
little brain fog this morning, so any help with this would be appreciated.


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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

You activate this in the Rotor.If it dosen't in the Rotor add "braille Screen Input into the Rotor.מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.0509549090לדף העסקי שלי:https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/ ‫ב-5 בנוב׳ 2022, בשעה 21:22, ‏‏Mohammad Fazil ‏ כתב/ה:‬




Thanks much! How can I activate Braille typing, please?
Thanks!


On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Gordon  wrote:



Table top mode is just like a perkins without the space bar in the middle. So dot 3 will be closest to the ear peace speaker and dot 6 will be closest to the bottom of the screen where the charger goes. But your finger positioning will be the same as it
 would be with a Perkins. The phone will either sit on your lap or a surface in front of you. Screen away mode is better for holding the phone in your hands. In screen away mode the back of the phone is facing your chest long ways where the ear peace is on
 the left and the bottom of the screen on your right. You use your thumbs and pinkies to hold the phone and part of your palm would be up against the bottom speaker on your right hand the your left palm would be resting on the top of the phone nearest the ear
 peace. Then you're working with the width of the phone to position your six fingers to type the dots. Dot 1 would be near the mute switch and going across would be dots 2 and 3. And you'll do the same with your right hand coming from the bottom of the phone 
 which will make dots 4,5,6. This method takes a little practice to get used to because it is definitely different from what you're used to. However it's the fastest for me and definitely more comfortable. You might find that table top mode can help you get
 used to the concept of typing Braille on a touch screen and then graduate to screen away mode like I did. It all comes much easier once you get used to the concept of what you're doing. But if you give it a fair amount of time, you'll be typing like a pro
 in no time. It took me about a month because I tried it and didn't like it at first. But when I decided I was going to learn it, I picked it up in about 15 minutes.


On 11/5/2022 1:14 PM, Mohammad Fazil wrote:


Thanks much for such a nice explanation! Let me ask for my own clarification:
Is table top mode the position where I hold the width of the phone rather than its  length with earpiece upward?
/Thanks!



On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Chris Chaffin 
 wrote:





Hi,


First, table top mode and away mode.


Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again,
 going from center to right.


Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the dots are on
 top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.


Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so
 you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.


I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.


Hope this helps answer your questions.


Chris





On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון <liel...@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all the times?
and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen? 


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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Mohammad Fazil]

Thanks much! How can I activate Braille typing, please?
Thanks!

On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:54 AM, Gordon  wrote:


Table top mode is just like a perkins without the space bar in the middle. So 
dot 3 will be closest to the ear peace speaker and dot 6 will be closest to the 
bottom of the screen where the charger goes. But your finger positioning will 
be the same as it would be with a Perkins. The phone will either sit on your 
lap or a surface in front of you. Screen away mode is better for holding the 
phone in your hands. In screen away mode the back of the phone is facing your 
chest long ways where the ear peace is on the left and the bottom of the screen 
on your right. You use your thumbs and pinkies to hold the phone and part of 
your palm would be up against the bottom speaker on your right hand the your 
left palm would be resting on the top of the phone nearest the ear peace. Then 
you're working with the width of the phone to position your six fingers to type 
the dots. Dot 1 would be near the mute switch and going across would be dots 2 
and 3. And you'll do the same with your right hand coming from the bottom of 
the phone  which will make dots 4,5,6. This method takes a little practice to 
get used to because it is definitely different from what you're used to. 
However it's the fastest for me and definitely more comfortable. You might find 
that table top mode can help you get used to the concept of typing Braille on a 
touch screen and then graduate to screen away mode like I did. It all comes 
much easier once you get used to the concept of what you're doing. But if you 
give it a fair amount of time, you'll be typing like a pro in no time. It took 
me about a month because I tried it and didn't like it at first. But when I 
decided I was going to learn it, I picked it up in about 15 minutes.

On 11/5/2022 1:14 PM, Mohammad Fazil wrote:
Thanks much for such a nice explanation! Let me ask for my own clarification:
Is table top mode the position where I hold the width of the phone rather than 
its  length with earpiece upward?
/Thanks!

On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Chris Chaffin 
<mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

First, table top mode and away mode.

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are 
like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, 
going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 
6, again, going from center to right.

Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the 
charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On 
the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the 
dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have 
dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.

Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is 
switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your 
phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe 
down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with 
your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle 
gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.

I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen 
Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to 
Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use 
with the BSI keyboard.

Hope this helps answer your questions.

Chris


On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
mailto:liel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes 
they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all 
the times?
and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?

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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Mohammad Fazil]

You have done a fantastic job by typing it all in braille! I am impressed! and 
proud of you!

On Nov 5, 2022, at 9:23 AM, ⁨Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון⁩ 
<⁨liel...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:

Hi Chriss, thanks for your answers.
Now I understand why it's happns to me.
I am using BSI when I am typing this e-mail.
It take time to get use to it, but both things helped me, Screen away mode and 
orientation  locked.
now all dots are positioned in the meedle and it comfortable to me to type.
I am typing on Braille Display a lot, and after I g et used to it I like it.
I getting practiss on that and I improove my typing with BSI.
It's a grate feature.

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Hi,

First, table top mode and away mode.

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are 
like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, 
going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 
6, again, going from center to right.

Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the 
charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On 
the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the 
dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have 
dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.

Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is 
switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your 
phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe 
down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with 
your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle 
gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.

I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen 
Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to 
Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use 
with the BSI keyboard.

Hope this helps answer your questions.

Chris


On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון  
wrote:

Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes 
they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all 
the times?
and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?

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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Gordon]

Table top mode is just like a perkins without the space bar in the 
middle. So dot 3 will be closest to the ear peace speaker and dot 6 will 
be closest to the bottom of the screen where the charger goes. But your 
finger positioning will be the same as it would be with a Perkins. The 
phone will either sit on your lap or a surface in front of you. Screen 
away mode is better for holding the phone in your hands. In screen away 
mode the back of the phone is facing your chest long ways where the ear 
peace is on the left and the bottom of the screen on your right. You use 
your thumbs and pinkies to hold the phone and part of your palm would be 
up against the bottom speaker on your right hand the your left palm 
would be resting on the top of the phone nearest the ear peace. Then 
you're working with the width of the phone to position your six fingers 
to type the dots. Dot 1 would be near the mute switch and going across 
would be dots 2 and 3. And you'll do the same with your right hand 
coming from the bottom of the phone  which will make dots 4,5,6. This 
method takes a little practice to get used to because it is definitely 
different from what you're used to. However it's the fastest for me and 
definitely more comfortable. You might find that table top mode can help 
you get used to the concept of typing Braille on a touch screen and then 
graduate to screen away mode like I did. It all comes much easier once 
you get used to the concept of what you're doing. But if you give it a 
fair amount of time, you'll be typing like a pro in no time. It took me 
about a month because I tried it and didn't like it at first. But when I 
decided I was going to learn it, I picked it up in about 15 minutes.


On 11/5/2022 1:14 PM, Mohammad Fazil wrote:
Thanks much for such a nice explanation! Let me ask for my own 
clarification:
Is table top mode the position where I hold the width of the phone 
rather than its  length with earpiece upward?

/Thanks!

On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Chris Chaffin  
wrote:


Hi,

First, table top mode and away mode.

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the 
dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would 
have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right 
side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from center to right.


Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you 
with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in 
two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going 
from top to bottom, so the dots are on top of each other in a column. 
And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from 
top to bottom.


Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it 
is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the 
position of your phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want 
to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three 
finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch 
side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation 
locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so you would do the same gesture 
to unlock the orientation.


I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille 
Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, 
then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of 
the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.


Hope this helps answer your questions.

Chris


On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
 wrote:


Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and 
sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my 
fingers all the times?

and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?

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RE: Braille Screen Input question's

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Tabletop mode is designed to lay the phone on its back flat on a table and 
write as if you were writing on a Perkins Brailer.

 

 

 

 

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Screen Input question's

 

Thanks much for such a nice explanation! Let me ask for my own clarification: 

Is table top mode the position where I hold the width of the phone rather than 
its  length with earpiece upward? 

/Thanks!





On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Chris Chaffin mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

First, table top mode and away mode.

 

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are 
like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, 
going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 
6, again, going from center to right.

 

Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the 
charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On 
the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the 
dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have 
dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.

 

Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is 
switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your 
phone.

there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.

So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe 
down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with 
your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle 
gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.

 

I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen 
Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to 
Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use 
with the BSI keyboard.

 

Hope this helps answer your questions.

 

Chris

 





On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון mailto:liel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that. 

What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?

And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes 
they in the meedle on the screen.

Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all 
the times?

and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen? 

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0509549090

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[Mohammad Fazil]

Thanks much for such a nice explanation! Let me ask for my own clarification:
Is table top mode the position where I hold the width of the phone rather than 
its  length with earpiece upward?
/Thanks!

On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:

Hi,

First, table top mode and away mode.

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are 
like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, 
going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 
6, again, going from center to right.

Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the 
charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On 
the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the 
dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have 
dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.

Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is 
switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your 
phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe 
down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with 
your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle 
gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.

I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen 
Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to 
Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use 
with the BSI keyboard.

Hope this helps answer your questions.

Chris


On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
mailto:liel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes 
they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all 
the times?
and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?

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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My Hable One bluetooth keyboard has braille buttons that work pretty
much like braille screenaway mode.  I can type very quickly when
needing to enter in a text message.  It is great.

On 11/5/22, Gordon  wrote:
> I use the screen away method and can type as fast as any sighted person.
> I was really bumbed out when the flick type keyboard went away. However
> when I spent a couple of days with BSI, I didn't miss it at all. I can
> type faster with BSI than I could with flick type. And it only requires
> a little time of practice to learn how to do it.
>
> On 11/5/2022 11:23 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון wrote:
>> Hi Chriss, thanks for your answers.
>> Now I understand why it's happns to me.
>> I am using BSI when I am typing this e-mail.
>> It take time to get use to it, but both things helped me, Screen away
>> mode and orientation  locked.
>> now all dots are positioned in the meedle and it comfortable to me to
>> type.
>> I am typing on Braille Display a lot, and after I g et used to it I
>> like it.
>> I getting practiss on that and I improove my typing with BSI.
>> It's a grate feature.
>>
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>>> ‫ב-5 בנוב׳ 2022, בשעה 17:53, ‏‏Chris Chaffin
>>> ‏ כתב/ה:‬
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> First, table top mode and away mode.
>>>
>>> Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the
>>> dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would
>>> have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right
>>> side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from center to
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you
>>> with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in
>>> two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going
>>> from top to bottom, so the dots are on top of each other in a column.
>>> And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from
>>> top to bottom.
>>>
>>> Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it
>>> is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the
>>> position of your phone.
>>> there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want
>>> to do.
>>> So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three
>>> finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch
>>> side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation
>>> locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so you would do the same gesture
>>> to unlock the orientation.
>>>
>>> I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille
>>> Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands,
>>> then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of
>>> the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps answer your questions.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
>>>> What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
>>>> And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and
>>>> sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.
>>>> Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my
>>>> fingers all the times?
>>>> and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?
>>>>
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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Gordon]

I use the screen away method and can type as fast as any sighted person. 
I was really bumbed out when the flick type keyboard went away. However 
when I spent a couple of days with BSI, I didn't miss it at all. I can 
type faster with BSI than I could with flick type. And it only requires 
a little time of practice to learn how to do it.


On 11/5/2022 11:23 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון wrote:

Hi Chriss, thanks for your answers.
Now I understand why it's happns to me.
I am using BSI when I am typing this e-mail.
It take time to get use to it, but both things helped me, Screen away 
mode and orientation  locked.
now all dots are positioned in the meedle and it comfortable to me to 
type.
I am typing on Braille Display a lot, and after I g et used to it I 
like it.

I getting practiss on that and I improove my typing with BSI.
It's a grate feature.

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‫ב-5 בנוב׳ 2022, בשעה 17:53, ‏‏Chris Chaffin 
‏ כתב/ה:‬



Hi,

First, table top mode and away mode.

Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the 
dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would 
have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right 
side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from center to right.


Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you 
with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in 
two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going 
from top to bottom, so the dots are on top of each other in a column. 
And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from 
top to bottom.


Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it 
is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the 
position of your phone.
there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want 
to do.
So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three 
finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch 
side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation 
locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so you would do the same gesture 
to unlock the orientation.


I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille 
Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, 
then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of 
the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.


Hope this helps answer your questions.

Chris


On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
 wrote:


 Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and 
sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my 
fingers all the times?

and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen?

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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi Chriss, thanks for your answers.Now I understand why it's happns to me.I am using BSI when I am typing this e-mail.It take time to get use to it, but both things helped me, Screen away mode and orientation  locked.now all dots are positioned in the meedle and it comfortable to me to type.I am typing on Braille Display a lot, and after I g et used to it I like it.I getting practiss on that and I improove my typing with BSI.It's a grate feature.מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.0509549090לדף העסקי שלי:https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/ ‫ב-5 בנוב׳ 2022, בשעה 17:53, ‏‏Chris Chaffin ‏ כתב/ה:‬Hi,First, table top mode and away mode.Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from center to right.Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your phone.there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.Hope this helps answer your questions.ChrisOn Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון  wrote:Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all the times?and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen? מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.0509549090לדף העסקי שלי:https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/ 



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Re: Braille Screen Input question's

[Chris Chaffin]

Hi,First, table top mode and away mode.Table Top mode is where you lay the phone flat on a surface and the dots are like a perkins brailler.  So on the left side, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from center to left. And on the right side, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from center to right.Away Mode, is where you hold the phone with the screen away from you with the charging port on the right.  With this mode, the dots are in two columns.  On the left, you would have dots 1, 2, and 3, going from top to bottom, so the dots are on top of each other in a column. And on the right, you would have dots 4, 5, and 6, again, going from top to bottom.Now the reason the dots are changing positions on you is because it is switching from table top mode and away mode depending on the position of your phone.there is a gesture where you can lock it in whichever mode you want to do.So put it in the mode you want; table top or away, then do a three finger swipe down on the screen.  This would be from your mute switch side to the side with your side button.  It should say, orientation locked.  This is a toggle gesture, so you would do the same gesture to unlock the orientation.I would recommend taking a look at the list of gestures for Braille Screen Input.  Go to settings / Accessibility / Voiceover / Commands, then swipe to Braille Screen Input, and in there you will find all of the gestures to use with the BSI keyboard.Hope this helps answer your questions.ChrisOn Nov 5, 2022, at 5:05 AM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון  wrote:Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes they in the meedle on the screen.Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all the times?and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen? מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.0509549090לדף העסקי שלי:https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/ 



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Braille Screen Input question's

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi friends, I had started to use BSI and have questions about that.
What the difrences between both modes Table mode and Screen away modes?
And sometimes the dots changes  both of 2 eadges on the screen and sometimes 
they in the meedle on the screen.
Why it's happends? and how can I write in BSI without to moove my fingers all 
the times?
and in eddition why the dots changes position on the screen? 

מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
0509549090
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RE: How should I set up braille screen input please

[Christopher Chaltain]

In addition to Anna's information below, a three finger swipe left or right 
will let you change between contracted and uncontracted braille. This comes in 
handy sometimes because there are times you don't want to use contracted 
braille.

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Subject: Re: How should I set up braille screen input please

Hi Joshua,

There are two orientations for Braille Screen Input: Tabletop and Screen Away 
mode. In tabletop mode, the keys are arranged like a Perkins brailler. In 
Screen Away mode, you hold the phone between your palms with the screen facing 
away from you. When you wrap your hands around the phone so you can touch the 
screen, your left hand does dots 1, 2, and 3 in a column with 1 on the top, and 
your right hand does dots 4, 5, and 6 in the same orientation. I like this mode 
because my hands are more likely to stay in the same place than when I use 
Tabletop mode, but I would recommend trying them both to see which you prefer.

You can set the default grade of braille from the 
Settings/Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille screen using the Onscreen Braille 
Input setting.

When you are typing, flick right with one finger for Space and with two fingers 
for Return. Flick left with one finger to delete a character and with two to 
delete a word. The iPhone user guide includes all the commands, so check that 
out as well. I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hello to all you fine iPhone people out there.  How should I set up 
> braille screen input on my iPhone 8?  I did get a little help from 
> apple accessibility.  I have gotten braille screen input in my router.
> I tried it out, and how do I set it to contracted input.  I also heard 
> something about landscape mode, or tabletop mode.  What is that all 
> about.  I have my iPhone orientation locked if that makes any 
> difference.  I hope someone can help.  If I can get the iPhone to 
> recognize my fingers consistantly, this will be very cool.
> 
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> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: How should I set up braille screen input please

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Joshua,

There are two orientations for Braille Screen Input: Tabletop and Screen Away 
mode. In tabletop mode, the keys are arranged like a Perkins brailler. In 
Screen Away mode, you hold the phone between your palms with the screen facing 
away from you. When you wrap your hands around the phone so you can touch the 
screen, your left hand does dots 1, 2, and 3 in a column with 1 on the top, and 
your right hand does dots 4, 5, and 6 in the same orientation. I like this mode 
because my hands are more likely to stay in the same place than when I use 
Tabletop mode, but I would recommend trying them both to see which you prefer.

You can set the default grade of braille from the 
Settings/Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille screen using the Onscreen Braille 
Input setting.

When you are typing, flick right with one finger for Space and with two fingers 
for Return. Flick left with one finger to delete a character and with two to 
delete a word. The iPhone user guide includes all the commands, so check that 
out as well. I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hello to all you fine iPhone people out there.  How should I set up
> braille screen input on my iPhone 8?  I did get a little help from
> apple accessibility.  I have gotten braille screen input in my router.
> I tried it out, and how do I set it to contracted input.  I also heard
> something about landscape mode, or tabletop mode.  What is that all
> about.  I have my iPhone orientation locked if that makes any
> difference.  I hope someone can help.  If I can get the iPhone to
> recognize my fingers consistantly, this will be very cool.
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
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How should I set up braille screen input please

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Hello to all you fine iPhone people out there.  How should I set up
braille screen input on my iPhone 8?  I did get a little help from
apple accessibility.  I have gotten braille screen input in my router.
I tried it out, and how do I set it to contracted input.  I also heard
something about landscape mode, or tabletop mode.  What is that all
about.  I have my iPhone orientation locked if that makes any
difference.  I hope someone can help.  If I can get the iPhone to
recognize my fingers consistantly, this will be very cool.

-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: Braille screen input - was - Re: you mail

['Crayton Benner' via VIPhone]

As do I. It’s a very neat method to typing. 

> On Aug 12, 2021, at 00:39, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
> 
> I love Braille Screen Input! It’s so much faster for me than using the 
> onscreen keyboard. It does take some getting used to at first, but when 
> mastered, is great IMHO. But, as you said Richard, to each his or her own. :) 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found using braille screen input rather easy to master.
>> 
>> But, to each his/her own.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: you mail
>> 
>> I have never used braille screen input.  I always use the regular on screen 
>> keyboard.  I have no idea how to use braille screen input.  It sounds 
>> difficult.
>> 
>>> On 8/10/21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>> No, I turned off my braille display, and also made sure my Orbit 
>>> Writer was also off. Right now I'm using braille screen input with 
>>> success here in this email. Perhaps a reboot will help. I have the 
>>> iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 14.7.1.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Richard Turner 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ON an off chance, do you have a keyboard connected and the phone 
>>>> thinks it is in quick nav?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Web site: 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>>> urner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C996617cff264489b8ac608d95c0ed8b4
>>>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637642041097019057%7CUn
>>>> known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
>>>> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=RpLlBSoHvZowCklXUwCJ4kNVdjTlVUZP5j
>>>> g83WufKm8%3D=0
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>>> Of CHELA Robles
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:29 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: you mail
>>>> 
>>>> Well, when you open the app, and give it permissions like other apps 
>>>> do, then it asks you to input your 10-digit phone number, followed by 
>>>> an email and create a password, however, I'm having difficulty with 
>>>> regards to inputting my phone number, all I hear is the sound one 
>>>> here's when voiceover has reached the end of a screen and nothing is 
>>>> in the text field though I've clearly double-tapped to make sure I was in 
>>>> edit mode.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Casey Wollner  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi for those of you who use the you mail app what is the best way to 
>>>> set it up and do you have to pay for all of its futures?
>>>> Or is the free version good enough?
>>>> And then how do you set it up and then disable your voice mail so it 
>>>> will use the you mail App?
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Braille screen input - was - Re: you mail

[SoonerAnnie]

I love Braille Screen Input! It’s so much faster for me than using the onscreen 
keyboard. It does take some getting used to at first, but when mastered, is 
great IMHO. But, as you said Richard, to each his or her own. :) 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I found using braille screen input rather easy to master.
> 
> But, to each his/her own.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: you mail
> 
> I have never used braille screen input.  I always use the regular on screen 
> keyboard.  I have no idea how to use braille screen input.  It sounds 
> difficult.
> 
>> On 8/10/21, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> No, I turned off my braille display, and also made sure my Orbit 
>> Writer was also off. Right now I'm using braille screen input with 
>> success here in this email. Perhaps a reboot will help. I have the 
>> iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 14.7.1.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ON an off chance, do you have a keyboard connected and the phone 
>>> thinks it is in quick nav?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Web site: 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>> urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C996617cff264489b8ac608d95c0ed8b4
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>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of CHELA Robles
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:29 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: you mail
>>> 
>>> Well, when you open the app, and give it permissions like other apps 
>>> do, then it asks you to input your 10-digit phone number, followed by 
>>> an email and create a password, however, I'm having difficulty with 
>>> regards to inputting my phone number, all I hear is the sound one 
>>> here's when voiceover has reached the end of a screen and nothing is 
>>> in the text field though I've clearly double-tapped to make sure I was in 
>>> edit mode.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Casey Wollner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi for those of you who use the you mail app what is the best way to 
>>> set it up and do you have to pay for all of its futures?
>>> Or is the free version good enough?
>>> And then how do you set it up and then disable your voice mail so it 
>>> will use the you mail App?
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RE: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

I can't remember the subscribe address 

Richard, do you have it?

But try this for the owners and they will be able to give you the right 
information.

public-beta-users+ow...@groups.io

Cheers,

Simon F



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Friday, 21 August 2020 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

What is the list for folks using an iOS Beta?


Thanks,

~Ann




On 8/20/2020 8:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
>   Beta conversations shouldn't be discussed on this list,
>
> There is a list for Beta testing discussions if you whished to join it.
>
> Otherwise please note the moderaters don't wish this type of thing on the 
> list due to NDA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> justin171...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, 21 August 2020 12:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet
>
> Hi everyone,
> I don’t know if anyone else is running the beta for iOS 14, but I installed 
> it last night and have discovered some bugs in the Braille screen input. 
> Wanted to see if anyone else had these same problems. First off, even though 
> I have VO set to speak both characters and words, it only speaks characters. 
> Secondly, it has stopped announcing spaces, making you question whether or 
> not you entered it correctly. Finally, when you try to delete the previous 
> word, nothing is spoken at all.
> I have reported these bugs in the feedback app, but thought it would be worth 
> writing here to see if anyone else is running the beta and can confirm. If 
> so, please also submit feedback to Apple via the feedback app, so this gets 
> fixed in the next beta.
> Thanks for your help.
> Justin
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>

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Re: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

[Ann]

What is the list for folks using an iOS Beta?


Thanks,

~Ann




On 8/20/2020 8:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Justin,

  Beta conversations shouldn't be discussed on this list,

There is a list for Beta testing discussions if you whished to join it.

Otherwise please note the moderaters don't wish this type of thing on the list 
due to NDA



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
justin171...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 21 August 2020 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

Hi everyone,
I don’t know if anyone else is running the beta for iOS 14, but I installed it 
last night and have discovered some bugs in the Braille screen input. Wanted to 
see if anyone else had these same problems. First off, even though I have VO 
set to speak both characters and words, it only speaks characters. Secondly, it 
has stopped announcing spaces, making you question whether or not you entered 
it correctly. Finally, when you try to delete the previous word, nothing is 
spoken at all.
I have reported these bugs in the feedback app, but thought it would be worth 
writing here to see if anyone else is running the beta and can confirm. If so, 
please also submit feedback to Apple via the feedback app, so this gets fixed 
in the next beta.
Thanks for your help.
Justin

Enviado desde mi iPhone



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RE: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Justin,

 Beta conversations shouldn't be discussed on this list,

There is a list for Beta testing discussions if you whished to join it.

Otherwise please note the moderaters don't wish this type of thing on the list 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
justin171...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 21 August 2020 12:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

Hi everyone,
I don’t know if anyone else is running the beta for iOS 14, but I installed it 
last night and have discovered some bugs in the Braille screen input. Wanted to 
see if anyone else had these same problems. First off, even though I have VO 
set to speak both characters and words, it only speaks characters. Secondly, it 
has stopped announcing spaces, making you question whether or not you entered 
it correctly. Finally, when you try to delete the previous word, nothing is 
spoken at all.
I have reported these bugs in the feedback app, but thought it would be worth 
writing here to see if anyone else is running the beta and can confirm. If so, 
please also submit feedback to Apple via the feedback app, so this gets fixed 
in the next beta.
Thanks for your help.
Justin 

Enviado desde mi iPhone

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RE: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

[Richard Turner]

You may want to join the Public Beta Users list.
Contact the list owner at: public-beta-users+ow...@groups.io

Betas should not be discussed here.




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
justin171...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

Hi everyone,
I don’t know if anyone else is running the beta for iOS 14, but I installed it 
last night and have discovered some bugs in the Braille screen input. Wanted to 
see if anyone else had these same problems. First off, even though I have VO 
set to speak both characters and words, it only speaks characters. Secondly, it 
has stopped announcing spaces, making you question whether or not you entered 
it correctly. Finally, when you try to delete the previous word, nothing is 
spoken at all.
I have reported these bugs in the feedback app, but thought it would be worth 
writing here to see if anyone else is running the beta and can confirm. If so, 
please also submit feedback to Apple via the feedback app, so this gets fixed 
in the next beta.
Thanks for your help.
Justin 

Enviado desde mi iPhone

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Braille screen input bug in iOS 14 bet

[justin171185]

Hi everyone,
I don’t know if anyone else is running the beta for iOS 14, but I installed it 
last night and have discovered some bugs in the Braille screen input. Wanted to 
see if anyone else had these same problems. First off, even though I have VO 
set to speak both characters and words, it only speaks characters. Secondly, it 
has stopped announcing spaces, making you question whether or not you entered 
it correctly. Finally, when you try to delete the previous word, nothing is 
spoken at all.
I have reported these bugs in the feedback app, but thought it would be worth 
writing here to see if anyone else is running the beta and can confirm. If so, 
please also submit feedback to Apple via the feedback app, so this gets fixed 
in the next beta.
Thanks for your help.
Justin 

Enviado desde mi iPhone

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RE: Iphone SE 2020 and the braille screen input

[Richard Turner]

All those who want the scrub gesture for exiting braille screen input should 
write to apple accessibility.
Frankly, it is more work to me to do the scrub gesture than just one quick 
rotor turn, but that is just me.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone SE 2020 and the braille screen input

You aren’t doing anything wrong. The scrub gesture no longer works to exit 
braille screen input. You have to turn the roter to get out of BSI. It’s a real 
pain in my opinion.
Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.


On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I am now trying to learn the new ways of doing things on this phone.  I have 
found that if I start using the braille screen input keyboard I can't get out 
of it.  I used to be able to do a 2 finger scrub and it would close but that 
doesn't seem to work now.



Any ideas what I am doing wrong?



Thanks.





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Re: Iphone SE 2020 and the braille screen input

[Kimberly]

You aren’t doing anything wrong. The scrub gesture no longer works to exit 
braille screen input. You have to turn the roter to get out of BSI. It’s a real 
pain in my opinion.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am now trying to learn the new ways of doing things on this phone.  I have 
> found that if I start using the braille screen input keyboard I can't get out 
> of it.  I used to be able to do a 2 finger scrub and it would close but that 
> doesn't seem to work now.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Iphone SE 2020 and the braille screen input

[Justin Harris]

Hi there,
Since Braille keyboard is in the rotor, just move to next rotor item and it 
should close. I have never used the SE, but when I had my XS, that’s how I used 
to do it.


> El jul. 28, 2020, a las 3:30 p. m., Dan  escribió:
> 
> I am now trying to learn the new ways of doing things on this phone.  I have 
> found that if I start using the braille screen input keyboard I can't get out 
> of it.  I used to be able to do a 2 finger scrub and it would close but that 
> doesn't seem to work now.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
> 
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Iphone SE 2020 and the braille screen input

[Dan]

  
  
I am now trying to learn the new ways of doing things on this
phone.  I have found that if I start using the braille screen
input keyboard I can't get out of it.  I used to be able to do a
2 finger scrub and it would close but that doesn't seem to work
now.

  
Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

  
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

[Christopher Chaltain]

This started working for me all by itself on my iPhone 11, but I still 
had this problem on my iPhone 7, at least until I tried this three 
finger swipe up, which did seem to take care of the problem. thanks for 
the tip!




On 2/3/20 8:24 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:

The three finger swipe down worked! Thank you!
Harry


On 2 Feb 2020, at 17:28, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,

Yes, that keystroke unlocks orientation for Brialle Screen Input, so it should 
fix the problem. Afterward, you may need to recalibrate the dots by entering 
dots 456 together, then dots 123.

Best,
Ana





On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

This is worth a try. I have not experienced the problem, still being on 12.4.4. 
In the past, when the dots have become all messed up, I have done a 
three-finger swipe down, and it has said unlocked, and the problem is solved. 
Hold the phone in landscape, and do the three-finger swipe down, going from 
where dot 1 would be, toward dot three. I am curious to know if this fixes it.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:37 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Thanks, that is reassuring! Perhaps a future update may cure the problem.
Harry


On 2 Feb 2020, at 15:32, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Yes, I'm having this problem as well. It's intermittent for me, so if I twist 
and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. I've also used 
it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which is a lot more doable on 
my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.



On 2/2/20 2:59 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck in 
tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the left. There 
seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning the iPhone 
makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I missing something?
Thanks
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

The three finger swipe down worked! Thank you!
Harry

> On 2 Feb 2020, at 17:28, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, that keystroke unlocks orientation for Brialle Screen Input, so it 
> should fix the problem. Afterward, you may need to recalibrate the dots by 
> entering dots 456 together, then dots 123.
> 
> Best,
> Ana
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> This is worth a try. I have not experienced the problem, still being on 
>> 12.4.4. In the past, when the dots have become all messed up, I have done a 
>> three-finger swipe down, and it has said unlocked, and the problem is 
>> solved. Hold the phone in landscape, and do the three-finger swipe down, 
>> going from where dot 1 would be, toward dot three. I am curious to know if 
>> this fixes it. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:37 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, that is reassuring! Perhaps a future update may cure the problem. 
>> Harry
>> 
>>>> On 2 Feb 2020, at 15:32, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I'm having this problem as well. It's intermittent for me, so if I 
>>> twist and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. I've 
>>> also used it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which is a lot 
>>> more doable on my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/2/20 2:59 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>> On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck 
>>>> in tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the 
>>>> left. There seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of 
>>>> turning the iPhone makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or 
>>>> am I missing something?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Harry
>>>> 
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Yes, that keystroke unlocks orientation for Brialle Screen Input, so it should 
fix the problem. Afterward, you may need to recalibrate the dots by entering 
dots 456 together, then dots 123.

Best,
Ana




> On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> This is worth a try. I have not experienced the problem, still being on 
> 12.4.4. In the past, when the dots have become all messed up, I have done a 
> three-finger swipe down, and it has said unlocked, and the problem is solved. 
> Hold the phone in landscape, and do the three-finger swipe down, going from 
> where dot 1 would be, toward dot three. I am curious to know if this fixes 
> it. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
> On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:37 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> Thanks, that is reassuring! Perhaps a future update may cure the problem. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 2 Feb 2020, at 15:32, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I'm having this problem as well. It's intermittent for me, so if I 
>> twist and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. I've 
>> also used it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which is a lot 
>> more doable on my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/2/20 2:59 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
>>> On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck 
>>> in tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the 
>>> left. There seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning 
>>> the iPhone makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I 
>>> missing something?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

[Arnold Schmidt]

This is worth a try. I have not experienced the problem, still being on 12.4.4. 
In the past, when the dots have become all messed up, I have done a 
three-finger swipe down, and it has said unlocked, and the problem is solved. 
Hold the phone in landscape, and do the three-finger swipe down, going from 
where dot 1 would be, toward dot three. I am curious to know if this fixes it. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On Feb 2, 2020, at 10:37 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Thanks, that is reassuring! Perhaps a future update may cure the problem. 
Harry

> On 2 Feb 2020, at 15:32, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'm having this problem as well. It's intermittent for me, so if I 
> twist and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. I've 
> also used it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which is a lot 
> more doable on my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.
> 
> 
>> On 2/2/20 2:59 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:
>> On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck in 
>> tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the left. 
>> There seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning the 
>> iPhone makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I missing 
>> something?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>> 
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, that is reassuring! Perhaps a future update may cure the problem. 
Harry

> On 2 Feb 2020, at 15:32, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
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> twist and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. I've 
> also used it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which is a lot 
> more doable on my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.
> 
> 
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>> On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck in 
>> tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the left. 
>> There seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning the 
>> iPhone makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I missing 
>> something?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I'm having this problem as well. It's intermittent for me, so if I 
twist and turn the phone enough, eventually I get it into away mode. 
I've also used it as an opportunity to learn the table top mode, which 
is a lot more doable on my iPhone 11 then it was on the 4S.



On 2/2/20 2:59 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote:

On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck in 
tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the left. There 
seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning the iPhone 
makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I missing something?
Thanks
Harry


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Braille screen input in iOS 13.3.1?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

On my iPhone XS I’m trying to use Braille screen input but it seems stuck in 
tabletop mode and only displays properly if charging port is to the left. There 
seems no way to recalibrate the layout and no amount of turning the iPhone 
makes any difference. Is this a bug I should report or am I missing something?
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Re: braille screen input - braille dot combos

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Dan,

You can find the commands in the user guide for your device. You can find the 
user guide in the Apple Books store.

Best,
Anna

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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[Dan]

  
  
How do we find out all the supported braille dot
combinations?

I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.
  

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Re: braille screen input braille translations

[Richard Turner]

Dan, you can set it to use either uncontracted or contracted braille and it 
will recognize all braille symbols.
There is a guide on AppleVis that even though it was written under iOS 8, is 
still relevant. Here is the link to that 
guide:https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-ios<https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-ios>





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On Jan 3, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Dan  wrote:



How do we find out all the supported braille dot combinations?


I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.



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[Dan]

  
  
How do we find out all the supported braille dot
combinations?

  
I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.

  


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Re: Question about Braille Screen Input

[dani pagador]

OK, I did some looking around on the Web re Braille Screen Input and
found that there's a lock orientation toggle activated with a three
finger swipe down. I unlocked the orientation, got it to be landscape
and in away mode, and am good to go. *fingers crossed* I didn't come
across that in the IOS BSI guide, but saw it on the Perkins website.

More Later,
Dani



On 11/12/19, dani pagador  wrote:
> Hi, Everyone.
> I was watching YouTube videos on my 6S the other night with my
> husband, and he needed to make some adjustments to be able to see the
> video better. I think he turned the lock screen orientation feature
> off and turned the brightness up so he could see the screen.
>
> After watching the video, I updated to the new IOS.
>
> Between the video watching and the update, my Braille Screen Input got
> messed up. I used to be able to turn the phone so the Home button was
> to the left and do BSI. Now I only have the option to turn the phone
> so the Home button is on the right. If I turn the phone in the way I'm
> used to, dots 4-5-6 are on the left.
>
> Is there any way to get it back to what it was?
>
> Thanks,
> Dani
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Question about Braille Screen Input

[dani pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
I was watching YouTube videos on my 6S the other night with my
husband, and he needed to make some adjustments to be able to see the
video better. I think he turned the lock screen orientation feature
off and turned the brightness up so he could see the screen.

After watching the video, I updated to the new IOS.

Between the video watching and the update, my Braille Screen Input got
messed up. I used to be able to turn the phone so the Home button was
to the left and do BSI. Now I only have the option to turn the phone
so the Home button is on the right. If I turn the phone in the way I'm
used to, dots 4-5-6 are on the left.

Is there any way to get it back to what it was?

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[kelby carlson]

I turned that off but I'm still getting the It doesn't seem to be happening as 
much, though.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Bob Hill  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> 
> another possibility is !that you have "slide to type" se! to on. 
> Go to settings, general, keyboard. 
> Look to see if "slide to type" is set to on. 
> Turn it off if it is, and see if that makes a difference. 
> 
> Bob 
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> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
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>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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>> The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.
>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Kelby,
>>> 
>>> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
>>> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if 
>>> there are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but 
>>> that's what I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until 
>>> then, check your keyboard settings.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
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>>> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After 
>>> the updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone 
>>> makes odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? 
>>> I went into Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that 
>>> seemed related. 
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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[Bob Hill]

Hi, 
 
another possibility is !that you have "slide to type" se! to on. 
Go to settings, general, keyboard. 
Look to see if "slide to type" is set to on. 
Turn it off if it is, and see if that makes a difference. 

Bob 


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> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
>> 
>> HI Kelby,
>> 
>> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
>> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there 
>> are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's 
>> what I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, 
>> check your keyboard settings.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
>> carlson
>> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
>> updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes 
>> odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went 
>> into Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that seemed 
>> related. 
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Re: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[kelby carlson]

The sounds are similar, but I checked and autocorrect is turned off.

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Nicki Keck  wrote:
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> HI Kelby,
> 
> I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  
> Mine is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there 
> are suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's what 
> I think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, check 
> your keyboard settings.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 6:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
> updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes 
> odd noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went 
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> related. 
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RE: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[Nicki Keck]

HI Kelby,

I have a feeling your autocorrect might be on in your keyboard settings.  Mine 
is doing the same thing, and it sounds like the sound you hear if there are 
suggestions for what you've typed.  I haven't looked yet, but that's what I 
think it is.  Will say more if I find out for sure, but until then, check your 
keyboard settings.

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Subject: Braille Screen Input Strange Noises



Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes odd 
noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went into 
Braille Screen Input's septings, but didn't find anything that seemed related. 

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Braille Screen Input Strange Noises

[kelby carlson]

Sent from my iPhoneApologies for so many questions in a row today. After the 
updape, I notice that while I type in Braille Screen Input, my phone makes odd 
noises, rather like bubbles popping. Has anyone else heard this? I went into 
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Re: What happened to the scrub gesture to exit braille screen input?

[Richard Turner]

I always just turned the rotor, which exits braille screen input.




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On Oct 31, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

Hi,
I just tried it and I can't get it to work either. That's strange. You can go 
to the commands section of VoiceOver settings and see if you can still 
customize it there. Other than that, just use the rotor gesture to get out of 
Braille screen input.

Jenn

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On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

Hi all,

I just updated my iPhone 7 yesterday. To my dismay, I found the scrub
gesture no longer works to exit braille screen input.

I seem to recall there is some way to define this gesture so I can
still use it. Is this true? And if so would someone list the steps for
me?

And finally, why the heck would apple change that? Sometimes I just
don't see the reason for some changes.

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: What happened to the scrub gesture to exit braille screen input?

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,
I just tried it and I can't get it to work either. That's strange. You can go 
to the commands section of VoiceOver settings and see if you can still 
customize it there. Other than that, just use the rotor gesture to get out of 
Braille screen input.

Jenn

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> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just updated my iPhone 7 yesterday. To my dismay, I found the scrub
> gesture no longer works to exit braille screen input.
> 
> I seem to recall there is some way to define this gesture so I can
> still use it. Is this true? And if so would someone list the steps for
> me?
> 
> And finally, why the heck would apple change that? Sometimes I just
> don't see the reason for some changes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kim
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What happened to the scrub gesture to exit braille screen input?

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi all,

I just updated my iPhone 7 yesterday. To my dismay, I found the scrub
gesture no longer works to exit braille screen input.

I seem to recall there is some way to define this gesture so I can
still use it. Is this true? And if so would someone list the steps for
me?

And finally, why the heck would apple change that? Sometimes I just
don't see the reason for some changes.

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: Small annoyance in braille screen input.

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

You can turn on voice control in iOS 13 and then use tge commands “VoiceOver 
next rotor setting” or “VoiceOver previous rotor setting” to move the rotor 
round without having to touch the screen, if that helps!
Harry

On 21 Sep 2019, at 20:59, Sandy Finley  wrote:

>> I went into commands and assigned the touch gestures of two-finger swipe 
>> left and  right to previous and next rotor respectively. This is great, 
>> except for one thing. I can use either of those two gestures to get into 
>> BSI, but I cannot use either to back out of BSI. I have to use the hated 
>> rotator gestures. I tried to unassign  the rotate gestures while in BSI, but 
>> they are grayed out. 
> 
> Sandy
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>> On Sep 21, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Matthew Bullis  
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>> While running IOS13, which I upgraded the other day, I notice that after 
>> most words I'm typing, I hear the little sound that you get when perhaps you 
>> get when spelling correction. However, I have that turned off, along with 
>> text prediction. Does anyone know what this is trying to do? It doesn't seem 
>> to fix any text I write though. The biggest issue I've run into is that you 
>> can't use the scrub gesture to leave braille screen input. You need to turn 
>> the rotor. I found no command I could assign for the scrub gesture. I 
>> thought one of them called quick action might do the trick, but that 
>> actually cleared what I wrote. Does anyone have any suggesttions, or if 
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>> Thanks,
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Braille Screen Input in Gmail App

[kelby carlson]

I've been experimenting with the Gmail app as a replacement for iOS mail. When 
I use it, I find that when typing in Braille screen input it does not allow 
spaces, so the entire email ends up being one long word. Is there a way around 
this?

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Re: Small annoyance in braille screen input.

[Sandy Finley]

> I went into commands and assigned the touch gestures of two-finger swipe left 
> and  right to previous and next rotor respectively. This is great, except for 
> one thing. I can use either of those two gestures to get into BSI, but I 
> cannot use either to back out of BSI. I have to use the hated rotator 
> gestures. I tried to unassign  the rotate gestures while in BSI, but they are 
> grayed out. 

Sandy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 21, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> 
> While running IOS13, which I upgraded the other day, I notice that after 
> most words I'm typing, I hear the little sound that you get when perhaps you 
> get when spelling correction. However, I have that turned off, along with 
> text prediction. Does anyone know what this is trying to do? It doesn't seem 
> to fix any text I write though. The biggest issue I've run into is that you 
> can't use the scrub gesture to leave braille screen input. You need to turn 
> the rotor. I found no command I could assign for the scrub gesture. I thought 
> one of them called quick action might do the trick, but that actually cleared 
> what I wrote. Does anyone have any suggesttions, or if there's a setting to 
> be changed?
> Thanks,
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Small annoyance in braille screen input.

[Matthew Bullis]

While running IOS13, which I upgraded the other day, I notice that after most 
words I'm typing, I hear the little sound that you get when perhaps you get 
when spelling correction. However, I have that turned off, along with text 
prediction. Does anyone know what this is trying to do? It doesn't seem to fix 
any text I write though. The biggest issue I've run into is that you can't use 
the scrub gesture to leave braille screen input. You need to turn the rotor. I 
found no command I could assign for the scrub gesture. I thought one of them 
called quick action might do the trick, but that actually cleared what I wrote. 
Does anyone have any suggesttions, or if there's a setting to be changed?
Thanks,
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Re: Text Replacements with braille screen input

[Duane Steele]

With a braille display, the best way to do text replacement is to write 
whatever you want in grade 2 Braille, then go back to the top of the document 
and put your output and input modes into 8-dot braille.  You'll be reading your 
text in grade 1 braille, and when you find an error that needs correcting or 
text you wish to replace you can freely move the cursor to that part of your 
document.  I'm using a BrailleEdge by Hims.  But I suspect this will work with 
just about any braille device.  Hope this helps.


Peace & Blessings,
Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> Text replacements don’t work in Braille Screen Input, unfortunately.
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Dean Martineau  wrote:
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>> I’m becoming ever fonder of braille screen input, but I see that when I use 
>> it, my text replacements don’t work. I write in contracted braille.  My 
>> abbreviations do not contain contractions. Am I missing something?
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>> Dean
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Re: Text Replacements with braille screen input

[Devin Prater]

Text replacements don’t work in Braille Screen Input, unfortunately.

> On Aug 20, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Dean Martineau  wrote:
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Text Replacements with braille screen input

[Dean Martineau]

I'm becoming ever fonder of braille screen input, but I see that when I use
it, my text replacements don't work. I write in contracted braille.  My
abbreviations do not contain contractions. Am I missing something?

 

Dean

 

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Re: Recalibrating braille screen input

[Arnold Schmidt]

I thought that was how to do it, but it wasn't working. Not only that, but it 
wasn't switching from tabletop to screen away mode. I found a really good apple 
screen input guide on Applevis, the link to which I will post at the end of 
this message.  Somehow, orientation had gotten locked, and it was locked in 
some kind of truly messed up state, with all the dots in truly wrong places. I 
did a three-finger swipe down, it unlocked orientation, and things are back to 
normal now. Who knows. This guide has several things in it I never knew. 

Arnold Schmidt 

https://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios-voiceover/guide-braille-screen-input-ios

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Arnold,

On an iPHone, tap dots 456 together, then lift those fingers and immediately 
tap dots 123. On an iPad, double-tap all six dots simultaneously.

Best,
Anna




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> voiceover would not come on and I had to get sighted  help to turn it on. 
> Thank you very much for any information.
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Re: Recalibrating braille screen input

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Arnold,

On an iPHone, tap dots 456 together, then lift those fingers and immediately 
tap dots 123. On an iPad, double-tap all six dots simultaneously.

Best,
Anna




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> try recalibrating it before resetting all settings. The last time I did that, 
> voiceover would not come on and I had to get sighted  help to turn it on. 
> Thank you very much for any information.
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Recalibrating braille screen input

[Arnold Schmidt]

How do I recalibrate braille screen input? It is very messed up. I want to try 
recalibrating it before resetting all settings. The last time I did that, 
voiceover would not come on and I had to get sighted  help to turn it on. Thank 
you very much for any information.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

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RE: Strange Braille Screen Input Issue

[Richard Turner]

Kelby,
Are you using Apple's braille screen input?  Which iPhone?

I use MBraille and on my SE it works great, but on my work 8 plus, it has a 
horrible delay and I'm about to ditch it, though I'll write the developer 
first.  I hadn't tried the Apple Braille input on that phone yet. I'm too used 
to MBraille.

Richard


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-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 5:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange Braille Screen Input Issue

My Braille keyboards (Orbit Reader 20 and BraillePen Slim) both have a space 
button and this works fine. I’m a complete beginner still with Braille, so I’m 
afraid I have no other experience to draw on. 
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 20:20, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> Recently I've run into a very strange issue with it. Sometimes when I am 
> typing a word, and swipe right for a space, VO has a significant delay in 
> responding with the completed word I typed. It doesn't happen every time but 
> it is pretty frequent. I've tried turning VO on and off and rebooting my 
> phone, neither of which worked. Anybody seen this problem before?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Strange Braille Screen Input Issue

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

My Braille keyboards (Orbit Reader 20 and BraillePen Slim) both have a space 
button and this works fine. I’m a complete beginner still with Braille, so I’m 
afraid I have no other experience to draw on. 
Regards
Harry

> On 31 Jan 2019, at 20:20, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> Recently I've run into a very strange issue with it. Sometimes when I am 
> typing a word, and swipe right for a space, VO has a significant delay in 
> responding with the completed word I typed. It doesn't happen every time but 
> it is pretty frequent. I've tried turning VO on and off and rebooting my 
> phone, neither of which worked. Anybody seen this problem before?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Strange Braille Screen Input Issue

[kelby carlson]

I use Braille screen input on my phone to type pretty much everything. Recently 
I've run into a very strange issue with it. Sometimes when I am typing a word, 
and swipe right for a space, VO has a significant delay in responding with the 
completed word I typed. It doesn't happen every time but it is pretty frequent. 
I've tried turning VO on and off and rebooting my phone, neither of which 
worked. Anybody seen this problem before?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: braille screen input problems?

[Candy Lowe]

I am writing this message using braille screen input with no problem.  .  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Dan  wrote:
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> HI,
> 
> 
> 
> I tried to use the braille screen input for the first time since installing 
> IOS 12.
> 
> 
> 
> It definitely has problems.  When touching the spot for dot 1 or dot 2 it 
> always says "a".  I can't get it to announce comma at all.
> 
> 
> 
> It also seems that the spots on the screen are narrower now so it is harder 
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> 
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> I am using it in away mode on an Iphone six.
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Re: braille screen input problems?

[Devin Prater]

Yes, mine works fine too.

> On Sep 24, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am writing with it now, and it is working fine, including announcing either 
> ea or comma for dot Richard
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 礪
> 
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Chris Chaffin  <mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I use Braille Input on a regular basis in away mode and have not had any 
>> problems after updating to iOS 12.
>> Have you tried recalibrating the keyboard?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Dan > <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> HI,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I tried to use the braille screen input for the first time since installing 
>>> IOS 12.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It definitely has problems.  When touching the spot for dot 1 or dot 2 it 
>>> always says "a".  I can't get it to announce comma at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It also seems that the spots on the screen are narrower now so it is harder 
>>> to do accurate braille keyboarding.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am using it in away mode on an Iphone six.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else having these issues?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Beaver
>>> 
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Re: braille screen input problems?

[Richard Turner]

I am writing with it now, and it is working fine, including announcing either 
ea or comma for dot Richard



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Phillips



礪

On Sep 24, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Chris Chaffin 
mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I use Braille Input on a regular basis in away mode and have not had any 
problems after updating to iOS 12.
Have you tried recalibrating the keyboard?

Chris


On Sep 24, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


HI,


I tried to use the braille screen input for the first time since installing IOS 
12.


It definitely has problems.  When touching the spot for dot 1 or dot 2 it 
always says "a".  I can't get it to announce comma at all.


It also seems that the spots on the screen are narrower now so it is harder to 
do accurate braille keyboarding.


I am using it in away mode on an Iphone six.


Anyone else having these issues?


Dan Beaver

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Re: braille screen input problems?

[Chris Chaffin]

I use Braille Input on a regular basis in away mode and have not had any 
problems after updating to iOS 12.
Have you tried recalibrating the keyboard?

Chris


> On Sep 24, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> 
> 
> I tried to use the braille screen input for the first time since installing 
> IOS 12.
> 
> 
> 
> It definitely has problems.  When touching the spot for dot 1 or dot 2 it 
> always says "a".  I can't get it to announce comma at all.
> 
> 
> 
> It also seems that the spots on the screen are narrower now so it is harder 
> to do accurate braille keyboarding.
> 
> 
> 
> I am using it in away mode on an Iphone six.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone else having these issues?
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Beaver
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braille screen input problems?

[Dan]

  
  
HI,

  
I tried to use the braille screen input for the first time
since installing IOS 12.

  
It definitely has problems.  When touching the spot for dot 1
or dot 2 it always says "a".  I can't get it to announce comma
at all.

  
It also seems that the spots on the screen are narrower now
so it is harder to do accurate braille keyboarding.

  
I am using it in away mode on an Iphone six.
  

  
Anyone else having these issues?

  
Dan Beaver

  




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Re: Braille Screen Input Has Gone Screwey

[Arnold Schmidt]

Save my solution for the last, I hope you get a better one. But about a year 
ago, Apple Braille Screen Input really messed up, about every dot was wrong. 
The only way I found to fix it was to reset all settings. Be careful, you don't 
want the one that erases all your data, just resets all settings. Unfortunately 
for me, VoiceOver didn't come back on on its own, and I couldn't use ITunes on 
my computer to turn it on, being that I had to respond on my phone to ITunes on 
my computer, and Serie was turned off by resetting these settings, so I 
couldn't turn it on that way, either. It is the only time I ever have had to 
get sighted assistance to do something with this phone. Others on this list say 
that their VoiceOver came back on when they reset all settings, mine did not. I 
hope you find a better solution, but it did fix the problem. I am using Braille 
Screen Input to write this message. 

Arnold  Schmidt  

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On May 8, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Sandra E. Finley <finleykn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anna, I tried that; simply failed to mention in previous message. Thanks, 
though, ‘cause could have missed it.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
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> Hi Sandy,
> 
> Did you try recalibrating the dots? To do this, put your fingers for dots 
> 4-5-6 on the screen all together, then lift them and do dots 1-2-3. I hope 
> that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> rebooted; I have updated software; I have tried Away and Table Top an fooled 
>> with the BSI settings, all to no avail.  
>> 
>> The effect of this is if I try to write the word  Braille, I get k r a st l 
>> l e. 
>> 
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>> 
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[Sandra E. Finley]

Anna, I tried that; simply failed to mention in previous message. Thanks, 
though, ‘cause could have missed it.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
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>> I am a regular, and untill recently, happy user of the afore-mentioned  
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>> rebooted; I have updated software; I have tried Away and Table Top an fooled 
>> with the BSI settings, all to no avail.  
>> 
>> The effect of this is if I try to write the word  Braille, I get k r a st l 
>> l e. 
>> 
>> I have reported the issue to apple; the rep, good sport that he was, enabled 
>> BSI up on his phone and took screen shots of mine so he could see the 
>> difference. He said it was clearly visible.  I am asking that any other BSI 
>> users who may have experienced this please take the time to call Apple so 
>> they will know that others carre as well. . We are a small but devoted fan 
>> group for this feature and the engineers need to know that it is, indeed, 
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>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Screen Input Has Gone Screwey

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Sandy,

Did you try recalibrating the dots? To do this, put your fingers for dots 4-5-6 
on the screen all together, then lift them and do dots 1-2-3. I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna




> On May 8, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> I am a regular, and untill recently, happy user of the afore-mentioned  
> feature . Suddenly dots 2 and 3 have changed position on my screen. I have 
> rebooted; I have updated software; I have tried Away and Table Top an fooled 
> with the BSI settings, all to no avail.  
> 
> The effect of this is if I try to write the word  Braille, I get k r a st l l 
> e. 
> 
> I have reported the issue to apple; the rep, good sport that he was, enabled 
> BSI up on his phone and took screen shots of mine so he could see the 
> difference. He said it was clearly visible.  I am asking that any other BSI 
> users who may have experienced this please take the time to call Apple so 
> they will know that others carre as well. . We are a small but devoted fan 
> group for this feature and the engineers need to know that it is, indeed, bSI 
> that has gone awry and not this writer.  Thanks!
> 
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Braille Screen Input Has Gone Screwey

[Sandra E. Finley]

I am a regular, and untill recently, happy user of the afore-mentioned  feature 
. Suddenly dots 2 and 3 have changed position on my screen. I have rebooted; I 
have updated software; I have tried Away and Table Top an fooled with the BSI 
settings, all to no avail.  

The effect of this is if I try to write the word  Braille, I get k r a st l l 
e. 

I have reported the issue to apple; the rep, good sport that he was, enabled 
BSI up on his phone and took screen shots of mine so he could see the 
difference. He said it was clearly visible.  I am asking that any other BSI 
users who may have experienced this please take the time to call Apple so they 
will know that others carre as well. . We are a small but devoted fan group for 
this feature and the engineers need to know that it is, indeed, bSI that has 
gone awry and not this writer.  Thanks!

Sandy Finley

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Re: Problem with braille screen input -- unable to invoke tabletop mode

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Kimber,

I don't remember if it came out in iOS 10 or 11.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Kimberly <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is that a recent feature? Or did I just never come across it in my use of 
> braille screen input.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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> go on.—Annie Proulx
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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net 
> <mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Kimber,
>> 
>> There's a separate orientation lock specifically for braille screen input. 
>> To lock or unlock orientation, turn on braille screen input and flick up or 
>> down with three fingers. Doing this in either direction toggles between 
>> locking and unlocking it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that sounded like a likely factor to look at, but even after I
>>> unlocked my screen orientation, once I entered braille screen input
>>> the orientation is still reported as locked. Seems I may need to give
>>> apple accessibility a call.
>>> 
>>> On 11/22/17, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There is an option for locking the screen orientation.  Is yours possibly
>>>> turned on?  if so this might prevent it from changing to table top mode.
>>>> Not certain though since I do not use it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan Beaver
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/22/2017 10:52 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior. When I attempt to
>>>>> use braille screen I can't seem to get the phone to switch from screen
>>>>> away to tabletop mode. I just updated to the latest iOS in hope that
>>>>> the problem would be resolved but no luck. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Problem with braille screen input -- unable to invoke tabletop mode

[Kimberly]

Is that a recent feature? Or did I just never come across it in my use of 
braille screen input.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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on.—Annie Proulx

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kimber,
> 
> There's a separate orientation lock specifically for braille screen input. To 
> lock or unlock orientation, turn on braille screen input and flick up or down 
> with three fingers. Doing this in either direction toggles between locking 
> and unlocking it.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well that sounded like a likely factor to look at, but even after I
>> unlocked my screen orientation, once I entered braille screen input
>> the orientation is still reported as locked. Seems I may need to give
>> apple accessibility a call.
>> 
>>> On 11/22/17, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is an option for locking the screen orientation.  Is yours possibly
>>> turned on?  if so this might prevent it from changing to table top mode.
>>> Not certain though since I do not use it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Beaver
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/22/2017 10:52 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior. When I attempt to
>>>> use braille screen I can't seem to get the phone to switch from screen
>>>> away to tabletop mode. I just updated to the latest iOS in hope that
>>>> the problem would be resolved but no luck. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Problem with braille screen input -- unable to invoke tabletop mode

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Kimber,

There's a separate orientation lock specifically for braille screen input. To 
lock or unlock orientation, turn on braille screen input and flick up or down 
with three fingers. Doing this in either direction toggles between locking and 
unlocking it.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Well that sounded like a likely factor to look at, but even after I
> unlocked my screen orientation, once I entered braille screen input
> the orientation is still reported as locked. Seems I may need to give
> apple accessibility a call.
> 
> On 11/22/17, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> There is an option for locking the screen orientation.  Is yours possibly
>> turned on?  if so this might prevent it from changing to table top mode.
>> Not certain though since I do not use it.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Beaver
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/22/2017 10:52 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior. When I attempt to
>>> use braille screen I can't seem to get the phone to switch from screen
>>> away to tabletop mode. I just updated to the latest iOS in hope that
>>> the problem would be resolved but no luck. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Problem with braille screen input -- unable to invoke tabletop mode

[Kimber Gardner]

Well that sounded like a likely factor to look at, but even after I
unlocked my screen orientation, once I entered braille screen input
the orientation is still reported as locked. Seems I may need to give
apple accessibility a call.

On 11/22/17, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> There is an option for locking the screen orientation.  Is yours possibly
> turned on?  if so this might prevent it from changing to table top mode.
> Not certain though since I do not use it.
>
>
> Dan Beaver
>
>
> On 11/22/2017 10:52 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior. When I attempt to
>> use braille screen I can't seem to get the phone to switch from screen
>> away to tabletop mode. I just updated to the latest iOS in hope that
>> the problem would be resolved but no luck. Anyone have any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>


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Problem with braille screen input -- unable to invoke tabletop mode

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this behavior. When I attempt to
use braille screen I can't seem to get the phone to switch from screen
away to tabletop mode. I just updated to the latest iOS in hope that
the problem would be resolved but no luck. Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks

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Re: Trouble with Outlook, Braille Screen Input on iPhone 7

[Robert Hill]

 hi, 

I have reported this since version 2.16. 
The last message from their tech support was that they still don't have it 
working. 

At this point I'm back to using Apple's mail app, and I'll probably download 
Outlook again in awhile and see what's happening with it. 

Bob 


Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am having The same problem and I even updated the app recently. It stays in 
> screen output until I start typing and then it switches to portrait. It will 
> not stay in braille screen input. I'm sorry this is a problem but we should 
> report it to outlook. .
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Robert 
> Hill <molliesda...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:21:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Trouble with Outlook, Braille Screen Input on iPhone 7
>  
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am trying to use Outlook email on an iPhone 7 with Braille Screen Input.
> I am running iOS version 10.3.3, and Outlook version 2.39.0.
> 
> When using Braille Screen Input, I can enter the recipient’s address, and the 
> email subject with no problems.
> 
> However, whenever I go to the composition area, the keystrokes I enter are 
> not displayed.
> What I see is the signature at the bottom, and it is spoken that my cursor is 
> at location “such and such, indicating that my cursor has moved, but no 
> characters are displayed.
> 
> I am wondering if anyone else is having this type of issue.
> 
> I like the app, but really would not have to use the onscreen keyboard, or 
> have to purchase a bluetooth keyboard to compose messages.
> 
> If anyone else is having this kind of issue please let me know, or if you 
> have a solution, please pass this along too.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bob Hill
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Re: Trouble with Outlook, Braille Screen Input on iPhone 7

[Jennie Facer]

I am having The same problem and I even updated the app recently. It stays in 
screen output until I start typing and then it switches to portrait. It will 
not stay in braille screen input. I'm sorry this is a problem but we should 
report it to outlook. .

Jenn and Kumi

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Hill <molliesda...@comcast.net>
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Trouble with Outlook, Braille Screen Input on iPhone 7

Hi everyone,

I am trying to use Outlook email on an iPhone 7 with Braille Screen Input.
I am running iOS version 10.3.3, and Outlook version 2.39.0.

When using Braille Screen Input, I can enter the recipient’s address, and the 
email subject with no problems.

However, whenever I go to the composition area, the keystrokes I enter are not 
displayed.
What I see is the signature at the bottom, and it is spoken that my cursor is 
at location “such and such, indicating that my cursor has moved, but no 
characters are displayed.

I am wondering if anyone else is having this type of issue.

I like the app, but really would not have to use the onscreen keyboard, or have 
to purchase a bluetooth keyboard to compose messages.

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Trouble with Outlook, Braille Screen Input on iPhone 7

[Robert Hill]

Hi everyone,

I am trying to use Outlook email on an iPhone 7 with Braille Screen Input.
I am running iOS version 10.3.3, and Outlook version 2.39.0.

When using Braille Screen Input, I can enter the recipient’s address, and the 
email subject with no problems.

However, whenever I go to the composition area, the keystrokes I enter are not 
displayed.
What I see is the signature at the bottom, and it is spoken that my cursor is 
at location “such and such, indicating that my cursor has moved, but no 
characters are displayed.

I am wondering if anyone else is having this type of issue.

I like the app, but really would not have to use the onscreen keyboard, or have 
to purchase a bluetooth keyboard to compose messages.

If anyone else is having this kind of issue please let me know, or if you have 
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Braille Screen Input with Gmail App

[Kelby Carlson]

Does anyone know of a way to get braille screen input to work with the
Gmail app? It's the big thing that prevents me from really making use
of it. If you can't, how do you all who use it tend to write messages?

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Re: Braille Screen Input on the Gmail App

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Kelby,
The only thing I can suggest is to thee MBraille as a third-party keyboard and 
try it that way. I don't know if you have that app yet though. Hopefully this 
helps.

Jenn and Kumi

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> I'm using iOS 10.3.1, and the Gmail app by Google. Braille screen
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Braille Screen Input on the Gmail App

[Kelby Carlson]

I'm using iOS 10.3.1, and the Gmail app by Google. Braille screen
input does not seem to work when replying to a message. Anyone know a
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dice world chat crash using braille screen input

[rajmund]

Hi Guys,
If one tries to use braille screen input on an apple, whether 
that be IOS9 or 10, whether that be an iPad or an iPhone, after 
turning the rotor out of braille screen input, is anyone actually 
able to send a message? I wrote the developers about it once, 
they told me that they have no braille displays, indicating, they 
have no clues what I'm on about.  Any feedback regarding this 
issue will be appreciated.  Basically, here's what happens to me.  
I open the chat, highlight the text field, braille out my answer, 
and, as soon as I leave braille screen input, the app just throws 
me out to the home screen.  100%

reproduceable on this end.
Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Devin Prater]

Try dots 4, then the AND sign. 
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> OK and the & sign? what's in Braille for the iPhone's Braille input?
> El 14/04/2017 a las 10:46 a.m., Woody Anna Dresner escribió:
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you are using Grade 2 braille, you can type dot 4 twice to get the at 
>> sign. In computer braille, it's dots 4-7 together.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 8:19 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi,
>>> the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. and 
>>> in UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.
>>>
>>> Sent from Thunderbird
>>>
>>> On 10/04/17 4:13 PM, Arnold Sc
>>> hmidt wrote:
>>>> How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the
>>>> braille I know, it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a
>>>> letter sign before it seems to work. Thanks for any information.
>>>>
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

The iPhone as such doesn't have a particular braille input. It depends which 
braille code you are using. The default English braille code on the iPhone is 
UEB. In UEB, the and sign is dot 4 followed by dots 1-2-3-4-6. This happens to 
be the same as the Grade 2 one. In computer braille, it's just 1-2-3-4-6.

HTH,
Anna



> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> OK and the & sign? what's in Braille for the iPhone's Braille input?
> El 14/04/2017 a las 10:46 a.m., Woody Anna Dresner escribió:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you are using Grade 2 braille, you can type dot 4 twice to get the at 
>> sign. In computer braille, it's dots 4-7 together.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 8:19 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. and 
>>> in UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Thunderbird
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>>> On 10/04/17 4:13 PM, Arnold Sc
>>> hmidt wrote:
>>>> How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I 
>>>> know, it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it 
>>>> seems to work. Thanks for any information.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Gerardo Corripio]

OK and the & sign? what's in Braille for the iPhone's Braille input?
El 14/04/2017 a las 10:46 a.m., Woody Anna Dresner escribió:

Hi,

If you are using Grade 2 braille, you can type dot 4 twice to get the at sign. 
In computer braille, it's dots 4-7 together.

Best,
Anna




On Apr 14, 2017, at 8:19 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,
the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. and in 
UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.

Sent from Thunderbird

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hmidt wrote:

How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I know, 
it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it seems to 
work. Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone


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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

If you are using Grade 2 braille, you can type dot 4 twice to get the at sign. 
In computer braille, it's dots 4-7 together.

Best,
Anna



> On Apr 14, 2017, at 8:19 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. and in 
> UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.
> 
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
> On 10/04/17 4:13 PM, Arnold Sc
> hmidt wrote:
>> How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I 
>> know, it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it 
>> seems to work. Thanks for any information.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[rajmund]

hi,
the at sign only seems to be possible in UEB, from what I have tried. 
and in UEB, it's dot 4, dot 1.


Sent from Thunderbird

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How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I know, 
it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it seems to 
work. Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt


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Re: underscore in braille screen input? was Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Devin Prater]

In Unified English braille, it is dots 4-6, then dots 3-6.
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> Ok, while we're on the topic, what would the underscore be?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Robert Hill <molliesda...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>  Hi Arnold,
>
>  Press dot 4 then dot 1.
>
>  Bob 
>
>  Get Outlook for iOS
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> wrote:
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>  How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I
>  know, it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it
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Re: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

[Scott Dollar]

Hi Arnold,

If you are using the UEB as a input braille, it is dot 4 and then dot 1 as 
my memory is correct.


Cheers,

Scott Dollar


-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The At Sign in Braille Screen Input

How do I make the at sign in Apple Braille Screen input. In the braille I 
know, it is dot 4, but neither this, nor putting a letter sign before it 
seems to work. Thanks for any information.


Arnold Schmidt


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