Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-29 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
Have just sent an email to Apple; I’m very curious to know why this should be 
happening. I wonder if we will ever know.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
&g

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-28 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
I have Watch 8.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the fi

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that you 
also experience this. Which watch do you have?
You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.

From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie


On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/









On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.





On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie

> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
> tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
> If voice over is turned off, it does not work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downward

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.




On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Earle
I have the latest version of Watch OS, and I have an Apple Watch Ultra. Haptic time is very consistent for me. I would say it works 9 times out of 10. So I really can't complain about that.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner
I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.



On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner
When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.







On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap.


 


I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at.


 


I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume
 this could also have something to do with it.


 


Best regards,


Sieghard


 


 

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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode 
on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Nicola Sanders
Hi all,
I have a Series 7 Apple Watch (41 mm). I am still running Watch OS 9, as I 
gathered that there were some bugs with version 10.
I use Taptic Time frequently, and pretty consistently. I also have Sleep Focus 
enabled, but in my case this does not alter the number of taps required: 
regardless of the time, I always do a one-finger double tap for hours and 
minutes, and a one-finger triple tap for just minutes.
If I want the watch to remain silent, I turn speech off using a three-finger 
double tap, the same gesture as on the phone. Haptic Time works fine when 
speech is turned off. My watch is not an SE, by the way, it's the standard 
model. I hope this is helpful.
Best,
Nicky

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 13:24, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
> 
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
> 
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
> 
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread M. Taylor
This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Tom Rash
It does not work consistently for me.  
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.

> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>  
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
>  
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
>  
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-23 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-17 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Thank you. I appreciate this.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 02:42
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

You first of all have to configure the sleep focus on your iPhone and then if 
your watch is set up to mirror you riPhone, then it wil automatically apply.

 

From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.

Is there such a thing.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple 

watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Hi,

 

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.

The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

 

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

 

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.

I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.

Here is what I discovered:

 

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.

I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.

However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

 

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

 

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.

According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

 

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple Support 
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>
 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
If I do a triple tap during the day all I get is minutes and I can reproduce 
this over and over.
Just now, it’s 11:45 PM so well past the start of my 10:30 PM sleep focus, a 
double tap once again does nothing and the triple tap consistently gives me 
hours and minutes in haptic time.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You first of all have to configure the sleep focus on your iPhone and then if 
your watch is set up to mirror you riPhone, then it wil automatically apply.

From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, that is how I have it set up, sleep focus starts at 10:30 PM and that is 
the case on both my iPhone and Apple Watch. If I get up at 6:30 AM or any time 
before 7, I often get a notification on my watcch which says “It looks like you 
are awake” and I am then asked if I want to turn off the 7 AM alarm.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

On my iPhone, in settings -> focus, I have it set so that when my focus changes 
on my iPhone, it’ll change on my watch. On the watch, in settings -> general -> 
focus, you can set it to mirror the focus on your iPhone. I don’t have my watch 
with me right now, but I’d check to see if there’s a way to toggle focus in the 
control panel.

BTW, I used the health app to set up my sleep schedule, so my iPhone goes into 
sleep mode on a regular week day and weekend schedule. You can also add and 
configure different focuses in settings -> focus, on your iPhone.

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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Christopher Chaltain
On my iPhone, in settings -> focus, I have it set so that when my focus changes 
on my iPhone, it'll change on my watch. On the watch, in settings -> general -> 
focus, you can set it to mirror the focus on your iPhone. I don't have my watch 
with me right now, but I'd check to see if there's a way to toggle focus in the 
control panel.

BTW, I used the health app to set up my sleep schedule, so my iPhone goes into 
sleep mode on a regular week day and weekend schedule. You can also add and 
configure different focuses in settings -> focus, on your iPhone.

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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Hi all,

 

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.

Is there such a thing.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple 

watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Hi,

 

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.

The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

 

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

 

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.

I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.

Here is what I discovered:

 

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.

I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.

However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

 

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

 

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.

According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

 

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple Support 
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>
 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I also have an SE. I wouldn't think this would make any difference, but maybe 
this plays into it somehow.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2


On my Apple Watch SE I have never been able to use taptic time using 1 finger 
double taps.  I have always had to use the 3 and 4 taps.



I have also turned VO off and tried the 2 finger tap and hold and I have never 
gotten that to work either.  Poor sighted folks. :)



Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/16/2023 2:29 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
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Re: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Dan


  
  
On my Apple Watch SE I have never been
able to use taptic time using 1 finger double taps.  I have
always had to use the 3 and 4 taps.

  
I have also turned VO off and tried the 2
finger tap and hold and I have never gotten that to work
either.  Poor sighted folks. :)

  
Dan Beaver 

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/16/2023 2:29 AM, Christopher
  Chaltain wrote:


  
  
Interesting. I’m not sure anyone
other than myself has said they use three and four taps for
haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep
mode on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere
that explains this. I do have sleep when wrist down is set
to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch has also worked
this way through multiple
  
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested
to hear about the response you get from Apple. I have
something that works pretty reliably for me.
 

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  Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

  
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com

On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2
  

 
Hi,
 
According to Apple, Voiceover users can use
  the haptic time feature by tapping the screen of the apple
  Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours and
  minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want
  minutes indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch
  screen is off/asleep.
 
In a recent discussion it seems many people
  say for them this works only reliably if you tap the screen 3
  times for hours and minutes and 4 times for minutes.
 
I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm
  that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I
  discovered the following which probably applies also to my
  series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have
  the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it
  comes to selling stuff.
Here is what I discovered:
 
I have a daily “sleep” focus set which
  starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g.
  the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger double tap does nothing
  except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap starts
  hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just
  the minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM
  and before 10:30 PM when the sleep focus is not active, the
  double tap Apple says one should use works just fine and the
  triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep
  focus is active it will give me hours and minutes.
 
I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message
  regarding this because I assume this is a bug, but not sure
  until they reply.
 
What I don’t understand is that why we
  can’t use the regular gesture for haptic time. Yes, haptic
      time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is available
  to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you
  said “Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of
  “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use
  Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers on the screen for a moment
  to get haptic time.
 
Tell time with haptic feedback on
Apple Watch - Apple Support
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-15 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-14 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone



I am having the same issue and I am waiting on Apple support to contat me as we 
have an acall appointment.

I will share any info I get. Its really driving me crazy.

Linda Knight

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 02:13
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just tried a 1-finger double tap about 8 or 10 times in a row, of course I 
made sure the watch was locked/asleep after each time, but not once did it giv 
eme haptic time.
I wonder if there is some other setting which causes  you to tap 3 times and 4 
times instead of 2 and 3 times.

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

On my Watch Series 9,  two taps always works fine Harry

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't know 
> if officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to work.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Parham Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-14 Thread Earle
A 1-finger double-tap almost always gives me the haptic time. I have an Apple 
watch ultra and I'm running the latest version of Watch OS.

Earle
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 2:34 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> One finger double tap has worked for me for about a year,  but I do recall 
> that on my previous Series 7 watch I had to do several resets until it 
> started working properly!  It really should not be left in this precarious 
> state by Apple!
> Harry
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried a 1-finger double tap about 8 or 10 times in a row, of course 
>> I made sure the watch was locked/asleep after each time, but not once did it 
>> giv eme haptic time.
>> I wonder if there is some other setting which causes  you to tap 3 times and 
>> 4 times instead of 2 and 3 times.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:10 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Haptic time
>> 
>> On my Watch Series 9,  two taps always works fine Harry
>> 
>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't 
>>> know if officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>>> 
>>> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute 
>>> in haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
>>> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
>>> of the recent updates.
>>> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get 
>>> it.”
>>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>> 
>>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
>>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Christopher,
>>> 
>>> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.
>>> 
>>> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
>>> 
>>> Smile.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>>> 
>>> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
>>> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if 
>>> this is true for anyone else.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Parham Doustdar
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Haptic time
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've 
>>> noticed that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen 
>>> doesn't work well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes 
>>> it gives me just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list
>>>> 
>>>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part 
>>>> of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the 
>>>> night without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand 
>>>> gesture settings?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>

Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
One finger double tap has worked for me for about a year,  but I do recall that 
on my previous Series 7 watch I had to do several resets until it started 
working properly!  It really should not be left in this precarious state by 
Apple! 
Harry

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:13, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I just tried a 1-finger double tap about 8 or 10 times in a row, of course I 
> made sure the watch was locked/asleep after each time, but not once did it 
> giv eme haptic time.
> I wonder if there is some other setting which causes  you to tap 3 times and 
> 4 times instead of 2 and 3 times.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> On my Watch Series 9,  two taps always works fine Harry
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't 
>> know if officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to work.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>> 
>> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
>> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
>> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
>> of the recent updates.
>> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher,
>> 
>> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.
>> 
>> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
>> 
>> Smile.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Haptic time
>> 
>> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
>> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if 
>> this is true for anyone else.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Parham Doustdar
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Haptic time
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've 
>> noticed that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen 
>> doesn't work well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes 
>> it gives me just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello list
>>> 
>>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part 
>>> of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the 
>>> night without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand 
>>> gesture settings?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Fanus
>>> 
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I just tried a 1-finger double tap about 8 or 10 times in a row, of course I 
made sure the watch was locked/asleep after each time, but not once did it giv 
eme haptic time.
I wonder if there is some other setting which causes  you to tap 3 times and 4 
times instead of 2 and 3 times.

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

On my Watch Series 9,  two taps always works fine Harry

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't know 
> if officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to work.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS 
> version 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Parham Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
>> 
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone
On my Watch Series 9,  two taps always works fine
Harry

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 07:06, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't know 
> if officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to work.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
> 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
> Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
3 and 4 taps work quite reliably on my new Apple Watch Ultra 2, I don't know if 
officially Apple has changed this or not, but 2 rarely seems to work.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Mary Otten
I just tried that three taps instead of two, and I got voiceover telling me the 
time that it was 240. Not what I wanted.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
> get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I 
> need three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I 
> also need the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit 
> and then drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest 
> practicing a bit. It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for 
> example, I tap a bit slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I 
> tap on an object on the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
> 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
> Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I just checked and zoom is off.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

You don't have Zoom on do you?

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I need 
three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I also need 
the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit and then 
drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest practicing a bit. 
It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for example, I tap a bit 
slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I tap on an object on the 
screen.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




Richard, USA
"Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.


On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus 
mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello list

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture settings?

Regards

Fanus


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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread paekstrand
I don't understand needing to do the 2 or 3 taps versus the 3 or 4 taps either.

Sometimes 2 taps works for me, and other times I need to do 3.

Strange.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I need 
three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I also need 
the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit and then 
drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest practicing a bit. 
It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for example, I tap a bit 
slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I tap on an object on the 
screen.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




Richard, USA
"Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
Doustdar
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Richard Turner
You don't have Zoom on do you?

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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> On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
> get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I 
> need three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I 
> also need the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit 
> and then drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest 
> practicing a bit. It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for 
> example, I tap a bit slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I 
> tap on an object on the screen.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
> haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
> I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one 
> of the recent updates.
> I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "Grandma always told us, "Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it."
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
> 2024.2310.70.400
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.
> 
> But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.
> 
> Smile.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Haptic time
> 
> I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
> minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
> is true for anyone else.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Parham 
> Doustdar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Haptic time
> 
> Hi,
> Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
> that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
> well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me 
> just the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello list
>> 
>> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
>> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
>> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
>> settings?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Fanus
>> 
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
It works fairly reliably for me, but like I said, I do a three finger tap to 
get the time and a four finger tap to get the minutes. I don't know why I need 
three and four taps while others can use two and three taps. I find I also need 
the screen to be off, so if I'm not sure, I'll lift my wrist a bit and then 
drop it back down before tapping my phone. I'd also suggest practicing a bit. 
It took me a while to get down the pace of my tapping, for example, I tap a bit 
slower when getting my time hapticly then I do when I tap on an object on the 
screen.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




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-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch.

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 3:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Richard Turner
I was wrong.
A one finger double tap near the 2 o'clock position on the watc face get the 
hour and minute, most of the time.  A one finger triple tap gets just the 
minute, again, most of the time.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




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-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Dan,

 

Yes, I am using my tips of my fingers. I even checked settings. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:50
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time

 

No, you should not have to turn speech off, that is for silent use.  Are you 
tapping the screen with the tips of your fingers?  I find that if I use the 
pads of my fingers it doesn't work nearly as well.

 

Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

On 12/13/2023 11:13 AM, 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone wrote:

 

 

I have the Apple watch se and I am having such a hard time using the haptic 
time and I am deafblind and use my watch for an alarm also.

 

However, when I double tap for the time it take forever to even get the time.

 

So do I actually turn off speech for this wo work properly.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda

 

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Subject: Re: Haptic time

 

Actually, I use my Apple watch during the night and it ids silent.  I found 
that I had to use the rotor and turn the sound volume down to near zero.  I 
also turn speech off so that v doesn't speak.  I can now use haptic time and my 
wife doesn't hear it at all.  I use it this way in a couple of other settings 
where I want no sound of any kind from my watch.

 

Dan Beaver

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On 12/13/2023 3:47 AM, Fanus wrote:

Hello list 

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
settings? 

Regards 

Fanus 

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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Mary,

 

I am in your boat with this. I also reported this to apple. Nada.

 

I really don’t know what to do about it.

 

Linda C. Knight

 

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Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 11:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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This used to work reasonably reliably for me as Jen has described. However, it 
has been totally worthless for several months, after an upgrade I think to the 
previous iOS, I should say watchOS. I have it set to on, but whenever I do that 
double tap I always get speech which I don’t want. But I don’t want to turn 
speech completely off either. It used to work fine, and I have reported it to 
Apple to no avail.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 13, 2023, at 5:07 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I know a lot of people have troubles with this, but I don’t. What i do is tap 
the watch twice with 1 finger while it is asleep, and it will vibrate the time 
to me. The long vibrations are for tens of minutes or hours, and the short ones 
are for 1 through 9. It does work.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi  





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Hello list

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture settings?

Regards

Fanus


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2023-12-13 Thread Richard Turner
I just also discovered that 3 one finger taps gets me the hour and minute in 
haptic time and 4 taps get the minutes...
I had very mixed success with 2 taps lately, so I'm guessing this is in one of 
the recent updates.
I'm currently running 10.1.1 I haven't updated to 10.2 I guess...




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-Original Message-
From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time

I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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Subject: Re: Haptic time

Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
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>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
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> settings?
>
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>
> Fanus
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Mary Otten
This used to work reasonably reliably for me as Jen has described. However, it has been totally worthless for several months, after an upgrade I think to the previous iOS, I should say watchOS. I have it set to on, but whenever I do that double tap I always get speech which I don’t want. But I don’t want to turn speech completely off either. It used to work fine, and I have reported it to Apple to no avail.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2023, at 5:07 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:Hi,I know a lot of people have troubles with this, but I don’t. What i do is tap the watch twice with 1 finger while it is asleep, and it will vibrate the time to me. The long vibrations are for tens of minutes or hours, and the short ones are for 1 through 9. It does work.Jenn
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On Dec 13, 2023, at 1:47 AM, Fanus  wrote:Hello listI got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture settings?RegardsFanus-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/26919fee-ea69-48e6-b551-5b0b1647184f%40gmail.com.



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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Dan


  
  
No, you should not have to turn speech
off, that is for silent use.  Are you tapping the screen with
the tips of your fingers?  I find that if I use the pads of my
fingers it doesn't work nearly as well.

  
Dan Beaver
  
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On 12/13/2023 11:13 AM, 'Linda C.
  Knight' via VIPhone wrote:


  
  
 
 
I have the Apple watch se and I am having
  such a hard time using the haptic time and I am deafblind and
  use my watch for an alarm also.
 
However, when I double tap for the time it
  take forever to even get the time.
 
So do I actually turn off speech for this
  wo work properly.
 
Thanks.
 
Linda
 

  
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Actually, I use my Apple watch during the night and it ids
  silent.  I found that I had to use the rotor and turn the
  sound volume down to near zero.  I also turn speech off so
  that v doesn't speak.  I can now use haptic time and my wife
  doesn't hear it at all.  I use it this way in a couple of
  other settings where I want no sound of any kind from my
  watch.
 
Dan Beaver
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  On 12/13/2023 3:47 AM, Fanus wrote:


  Hello list 

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic
time is part of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to
get the time during the night without waking my wife. Also,
what is magic tap under the hand gesture settings? 

Regards 

Fanus 

  

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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone



Christopher,

Fighting this haptic thing is making me hate the watch. 

But being deaf I can't afford to not have it.

Smile.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 05:05
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I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
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> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

I have the Apple watch se and I am having such a hard time using the haptic 
time and I am deafblind and use my watch for an alarm also.

 

However, when I double tap for the time it take forever to even get the time.

 

So do I actually turn off speech for this wo work properly.

 

Thanks.

 

Linda

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 08:15
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Actually, I use my Apple watch during the night and it ids silent.  I found 
that I had to use the rotor and turn the sound volume down to near zero.  I 
also turn speech off so that v doesn't speak.  I can now use haptic time and my 
wife doesn't hear it at all.  I use it this way in a couple of other settings 
where I want no sound of any kind from my watch.

 

Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

On 12/13/2023 3:47 AM, Fanus wrote:

Hello list 

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
settings? 

Regards 

Fanus 



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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Dan


  
  
Actually, I use my Apple watch during the night and it ids
  silent.  I found that I had to use the rotor and turn the sound
  volume down to near zero.  I also turn speech off so that v
  doesn't speak.  I can now use haptic time and my wife doesn't hear
  it at all.  I use it this way in a couple of other settings where
  I want no sound of any kind from my watch.


Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/13/2023 3:47 AM, Fanus wrote:

Hello
  list
  
  
  I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time
  is part of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the
  time during the night without waking my wife. Also, what is magic
  tap under the hand gesture settings?
  
  
  Regards
  
  
  Fanus
  
  
  

  




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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi,

I know a lot of people have troubles with this, but I don’t. What i do is tap 
the watch twice with 1 finger while it is asleep, and it will vibrate the time 
to me. The long vibrations are for tens of minutes or hours, and the short ones 
are for 1 through 9. It does work.
Jenn
Jenn and Kumi   

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 1:47 AM, Fanus  wrote:
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> Hello list
> 
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Fanus
> 
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RE: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I've had to use three taps to get the time and four taps to get just the 
minutes for quite a while now. Not sure when it started, and not sure if this 
is true for anyone else.

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Hi,
Haptic time doesn't need speech, that's the main point. However, I've noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn't work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
>
> Hello list
>
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
>
> Regards
>
> Fanus
>
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Re: Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Parham Doustdar
Hi,
Haptic time doesn’t need speech, that’s the main point. However, I’ve noticed 
that with one of the WatchOS updates, double-tapping the screen doesn’t work 
well. So, what I often do is tap the screen 3 times. Sometimes it gives me just 
the minutes, but often it gives me the hour and minutes.
Hope that helps.

> On 13 Dec 2023, at 09:47, Fanus  wrote:
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> Hello list
> 
> I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is part of 
> VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during the night 
> without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand gesture 
> settings?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Fanus
> 
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Haptic time

2023-12-13 Thread Fanus

Hello list

I got my S9 watch on Monday. For me it is a pity that Haptic time is 
part of VoiceOver because it would have been nice to get the time during 
the night without waking my wife. Also, what is magic tap under the hand 
gesture settings?


Regards

Fanus


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