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Personally, I find some advertising to be a good thing. Oftentimes individuals subscribe to this list and know nothing more about what products/resources may be out there to assist them in learning/using their I-devices. Fred - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:47 PM Subject: Re: An Aria Update i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it advertising. One thing I like about this list is the idea that consumers discuss their experiences with products. I would hate to start seeing ads from Humanware, Freedom Scientific, etc. about their products. There are other venues available for advertising. Andy - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer
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Hello Vivian, I happened to correspond with Jonathan privately regarding Aira in Canada and something completely unrelated and Jonathan said he did in fact unsubscribe more or less directly after posting his message. I agree that it is too bad, I am still waiting to hear what Mark has to say before I decide what I will do. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vivian Conger Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update Thank you Sandy. I tried to stay out of this and believe that everyone has a right to his or her opinion but we need to respect each other. I didn’t like what Mark said and hope that Jonathan stays on the lists as he does share so much valuable info to all of us. Vivian From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: An Aria Update Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as on
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Thank you Sandy. I tried to stay out of this and believe that everyone has a right to his or her opinion but we need to respect each other. I didn’t like what Mark said and hope that Jonathan stays on the lists as he does share so much valuable info to all of us. Vivian From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the
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Well said Eric, I am in the same situation, I post rarely but benefit greatly from this list. I have to consider m options as well. Thanks From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Eric Oyen Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:17 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: Re: An Aria Update And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but I do read a lot. Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device (data tablet) I have. As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind. However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought support info elsewhere. Thanks for the help, support and information folks. -Eric On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley mailto:therealsandyfin...@gmail.com> > wrote: Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.co
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How can I subscribe to WorldNewsChat, please? Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:17 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: Re: An Aria Update And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but I do read a lot. Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device (data tablet) I have. As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind. However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought support info elsewhere. Thanks for the help, support and information folks. -Eric On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley wrote: Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occa
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My original inquiry was as to whether or not ads were allowed on this lit. i would prefer not, but if they are, i'll deal with it. i'll just give my delete finger a workout. Andy - Original Message - From: Eric Oyen To: Visually impaired phone users Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:16 PM Subject: Re: An Aria Update And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but I do read a lot. Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device (data tablet) I have. As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind. However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought support info elsewhere. Thanks for the help, support and information folks. -Eric On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley wrote: Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sa
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Mark, I got to think your position has created all this wasted traffic on the list. If you had said nothing, then all this back and forth would not be necessary. This has digressed dramatically, even now pointing out political things .. Can we all stop responding to this … From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Eric Oyen Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:17 PM To: Visually impaired phone users Subject: Re: An Aria Update And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but I do read a lot. Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device (data tablet) I have. As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind. However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought support info elsewhere. Thanks for the help, support and information folks. -Eric On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley mailto:therealsandyfin...@gmail.com> > wrote: Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phon
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And now, we see where politics has gotten injected into this list. Honestly, if I wanted politics, I would go to WorldNewsChat (oh wait, I am already there). Now, if I want to hear about new developments for apps and services and discussion with developers, that was this list, until today. Like some others, I have been a very long time member of this list. Sure, I don’t post much, but I do read a lot. Now, sure, a lot of the blindness vendors have advertised in here periodically, but those ads have been low key and low bandwidth. They have also allowed the opening of a dialog with those vendors on issues that might crop up. I have solved more than 1 problem this way on my iPhone as well as the Android device (data tablet) I have. As a considered thought, if the same application exists across both iOS and Android, then the underlying service being used by us functions without regard to platform. Thus, given that logic, platform for the apps is irrelevant when it comes to functionality and support. Perhaps that needs to be kept in mind. However, given the histrionics I just witnessed, perhaps it’s time I sought support info elsewhere. Thanks for the help, support and information folks. -Eric > On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Sandy Finley > wrote: > > Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. > Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a > different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, > remember how well this list has been run for many years. > > Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the > current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow > suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. > > Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: > >> >> Marie N, >> I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I >> choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its >> promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating >> visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their >> phone. >> No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. >> No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. >> I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this >> exclusion. >> If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. >> Richard >> >> >> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't >> have any." -- Alice Walker >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. > <mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: >> >>> This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my >>> opinion, a promotion of Aira. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan >>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: An Aria Update >>> >>> One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" >>> Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a >>> list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life >>> easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel >>> threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career >>> educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and >>> charged pennies for it. >>> Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product >>> among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long >>> run. >>> >>> It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time >>> for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to >>> the BlindPhone list! >>> >>> >>> Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your >>> posts to this list. >>> >>> RegardsReg >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>> Behalf Of Tom Rash >>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googl
RE: An Aria Update
Completely agree .. how many articles has Mark posted that have absolutely nothing to do with the IPhone… Jonathan, I greatly appreciate all your contributions to the blindness community, both here and in other places. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Brandon Olivares Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:56 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: An Aria Update I agree with what you’re saying. I may also unsubscribe, as the only way to create change is to do something about it. If people complain and then proceed to do nothing, then nothing will change. I’ve not been on this list long, but I think it’s hypocritical for Mark to share endless articles ad nauseam about topics only tangentially related to blindness, and then reprimand someone for discussing a service that is absolutely about blindness. On Jan 27, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS
Re: An Aria Update
If you extend this argument to mean that any developer for an app
designed for the blind cannot participate on this list, let us know
about their product and new features and then take constructive feedback
then I'd say this is taking this stand too far. I'd say we'd want just
the opposite, namely developers interacting with the blindness community
to help make their apps more accessible and useful to the blind.
I agree that we don't want to go down a slippery slope with allowing
advertisements on this list, but that slippery slope goes both ways,
namely barring all developers from participating on this list. If it
were me, I'd wait until we were actually being swamped by advertisers
before taking such a harsh stand against a company that does provide an
app and a service for the blind. I wouldn't worry about Humanware or
Freedom Scientific advertising on this list since I don't think they
have many products for the iPhone. It seems to me that this is just an
irrelevant point to scare users into one way of thinking. I wonder how
many of these objections stem from some issues with Aira or Jonathan and
not with a concern over advertisements on this list.
I don't agree with Mark's stand on this issue, and I've frequently
scratched my head over some of Mark's posts which were clearly off
topic, but it's Kara's list and Mark is the moderator, so they do have
the right to run this list any way they want and subscribers do have the
ability to look for other lists if they so choose. IMHO, it's kind of a
waste of bandwidth to hash this out on the list and people who are
interested in changing how this list is moderated should probably take
it up with Mark and Kara off list.
On 1/27/19 1:47 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but
Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it
advertising. One thing I like about this list is the idea that
consumers discuss their experiences with products. I would hate to
start seeing ads from Humanware, Freedom Scientific, etc. about their
products. There are other venues available for advertising.
Andy
- Original Message -
*From:* Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: An Aria Update
Marie N,
I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a
service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing
wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed
to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things
that are helpful using their phone.
No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is
discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions
are discussed.
I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for
this exclusion.
If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing.
Richard
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they
don't have any." -- Alice Walker
On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:
This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was,
in my opinion, a promotion of Aira.
-Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: An Aria Update
One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that
feeds you"
Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership
position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related
apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to
subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's
good intentions. Jonathan made his career educating all of us
on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged
pennies for it.
Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of
the product among the blindness community and greater value for
all of us in the long run.
It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list
and time for those of us wanting open communication without
barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list!
Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with
your posts to this list.
RegardsReg
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
Jonathan:
I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and
have learn
RE: An Aria Update
Basically, Mark created here a storm in a teacup. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Well, this one of the very few times I disagree with you. I definitely am in favor of discussions on apps or services and have joined in on many of these subjects. However, I feel this post from Jonathan was and out and out advertisement. To give a little background, I was once a member of the Blind Phones list and posted something similar although I was not affiliated with the company in any way. I was very rudely told that it was off topic by Jonathan and would not be tolerated on the list. Needless to say, I unsubscribed that very day. Marie From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us know why he feels the way he does and then let us know if the arguments which were given are enough to make him reconsider his position. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of u
Re: An Aria Update
There are many companies that offer products and services that benefit the
blind. Should they all be allowed to bombard us with there advertising?
Andy
- Original Message -
From: "James English"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: An Aria Update
Hello,
There is a clear difference I see between Jonathan's advertisement
and, say, if I was to post a message advertising my proxy server
business.
Jonathan's business clearly helps the blind community and is focussed
on it: there is almost certainly a large enough amount of people on
this list who would be interested in hearing news about it.
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On 1/27/19, Andy Baracco wrote:
i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but
Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it advertising.
One thing I like about this list is the idea that consumers discuss their
experiences with products. I would hate to start seeing ads from
Humanware,
Freedom Scientific, etc. about their products. There are other venues
available for advertising.
Andy
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: An Aria Update
Marie N,
I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service
I
choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its
promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating
visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their
phone.
No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is
discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are
discussed.
I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this
exclusion.
If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing.
Richard
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
have any." -- Alice Walker
On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote:
This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in
my
opinion, a promotion of Aira.
-Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aria Update
One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds
you"
Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position
of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make
life
easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel
threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career
educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and
charged pennies for it.
Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the
product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in
the
long run.
It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and
time
for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over
to
the BlindPhone list!
Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your
posts to this list.
RegardsReg
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
Jonathan:
I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have
learned much from you and other contributors to the list.
Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys.
I'll be joining the blind phones list.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: An Aira Update
Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing
after
around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about
this change.
During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we
had
many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps,
especially when those apps were blindness specific.
Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple
occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it
seemed appropriat
Re: An Aria Update
You're correct, and those posts were advertising as well. I think folks like jonathan and are willing to give him a pass. Andy - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:40 AM Subject: RE: An Aria Update And what about all the years when every year Jonathan would post a message about his new book about iOS? That was clearly advertising and not only was it tolerated by Mark but it was welcome by the list members with many thank-you posts for all the work he does. Cara herself used to be affiliated in some way with the company that made this Recognizer app which was a paid app and she posted about it. There is nothing wrong with a post which informative but may or may not advertise an app or a service. Another guy on here, Todd, used to make a ringtone app and when people asked about how to make ringtones he often would post basically telling people they could just get his app and easily make ringtones. Let’s just say there are many examples where apps, products or services have been mentioned on the Viphone list and some were more promotional and others maybe more informative. But as many of us said, with something like Aira it really is impossible to separate the app from the service since the app is simply the portal to the service. The Sonos app by itself is completely useless without you owning any of the Sonos speakers, this stuff often just goes together so at best you could simply say that Aira is not a welcome topic on the Viphone list because it’s a commercial service, but then you of course open a can of worms because almost everything is a commercial service from cell phone plans to music or movie subscriptions and shopping apps. This is also my final contribution to this topic and it may very well turn out to be one of the final contributions to this list, let’s see where this goes in the next day or two. Mark has already posted an article about making a weather shortcut so I’m sure he has read all the messages and is probably going to post something soon; at least I hope he does. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Well, this one of the very few times I disagree with you. I definitely am in favor of discussions on apps or services and have joined in on many of these subjects. However, I feel this post from Jonathan was and out and out advertisement. To give a little background, I was once a member of the Blind Phones list and posted something similar although I was not affiliated with the company in any way. I was very rudely told that it was off topic by Jonathan and would not be tolerated on the list. Needless to say, I unsubscribed that very day. Marie From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list
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Hello, There is a clear difference I see between Jonathan's advertisement and, say, if I was to post a message advertising my proxy server business. Jonathan's business clearly helps the blind community and is focussed on it: there is almost certainly a large enough amount of people on this list who would be interested in hearing news about it. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; target="_blank">https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /> Virus-free. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com On 1/27/19, Andy Baracco wrote: > i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but > Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it advertising. > One thing I like about this list is the idea that consumers discuss their > experiences with products. I would hate to start seeing ads from Humanware, > Freedom Scientific, etc. about their products. There are other venues > available for advertising. > > Andy > > - Original Message - > From: Richard Turner > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: An Aria Update > > > > > Marie N, > I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I > choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its > promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating > visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their > phone. > No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is > discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are > discussed. > I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this > exclusion. > If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. > Richard > > > > The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't > have any." -- Alice Walker > > > > > > On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: > > > This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my > opinion, a promotion of Aira. > > > -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: An Aria Update > > One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds > you" > Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position > of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life > easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel > threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career > educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and > charged pennies for it. > Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the > product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the > long run. > > It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time > for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to > the BlindPhone list! > > > Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your > posts to this list. > > RegardsReg > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Tom Rash > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: An Aira Update > > Jonathan: > I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have > learned much from you and other contributors to the list. > Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. > I'll be joining the blind phones list. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Jonathan Mosen > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: An Aira Update > > Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after > around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about > this change. > During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had > many occasions where app developers would engage with us about thei
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i don't think we were objecting to discussion about the product, but Jonathan's position as an executive for the company makes it advertising. One thing I like about this list is the idea that consumers discuss their experiences with products. I would hate to start seeing ads from Humanware, Freedom Scientific, etc. about their products. There are other venues available for advertising. Andy - Original Message - From: Richard Turner To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:28 AM Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosen.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435a
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And what about all the years when every year Jonathan would post a message about his new book about iOS? That was clearly advertising and not only was it tolerated by Mark but it was welcome by the list members with many thank-you posts for all the work he does. Cara herself used to be affiliated in some way with the company that made this Recognizer app which was a paid app and she posted about it. There is nothing wrong with a post which informative but may or may not advertise an app or a service. Another guy on here, Todd, used to make a ringtone app and when people asked about how to make ringtones he often would post basically telling people they could just get his app and easily make ringtones. Let’s just say there are many examples where apps, products or services have been mentioned on the Viphone list and some were more promotional and others maybe more informative. But as many of us said, with something like Aira it really is impossible to separate the app from the service since the app is simply the portal to the service. The Sonos app by itself is completely useless without you owning any of the Sonos speakers, this stuff often just goes together so at best you could simply say that Aira is not a welcome topic on the Viphone list because it’s a commercial service, but then you of course open a can of worms because almost everything is a commercial service from cell phone plans to music or movie subscriptions and shopping apps. This is also my final contribution to this topic and it may very well turn out to be one of the final contributions to this list, let’s see where this goes in the next day or two. Mark has already posted an article about making a weather shortcut so I’m sure he has read all the messages and is probably going to post something soon; at least I hope he does. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Well, this one of the very few times I disagree with you. I definitely am in favor of discussions on apps or services and have joined in on many of these subjects. However, I feel this post from Jonathan was and out and out advertisement. To give a little background, I was once a member of the Blind Phones list and posted something similar although I was not affiliated with the company in any way. I was very rudely told that it was off topic by Jonathan and would not be tolerated on the list. Needless to say, I unsubscribed that very day. Marie From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us
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Well, this one of the very few times I disagree with you. I definitely am in favor of discussions on apps or services and have joined in on many of these subjects. However, I feel this post from Jonathan was and out and out advertisement. To give a little background, I was once a member of the Blind Phones list and posted something similar although I was not affiliated with the company in any way. I was very rudely told that it was off topic by Jonathan and would not be tolerated on the list. Needless to say, I unsubscribed that very day. Marie From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us know why he feels the way he does and then let us know if the arguments which were given are enough to make him reconsider his position. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It
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I agree with Richard. Many services and apps have been promoted here if that is what you want to call it. Just as an example I could point out that everybody seems to love Kosta and Ashley, the developers of Flicktype and their work deserves respect. While they have their own list now, they used to be and maybe still are on this list as well. I remember them and other developers asking for 5 Star ratings for their apps, many subscription services and models have been discussed and often people ask where they can buy a particular product or service. How often have I and others praised sonos equipment which strictly speaking has nothing to do with the Sonos app in itself. Mark even has often posted articles here which by his own admission had only a marginal connection to Apple and sometimes maybe the connection was to Apple but not even to the iPhone. I remember him not that long ago posting about how happy he was with his Belkin charging pad which while an iPhone accessory is not strictly an iPhone accessory since it will charge Android phones just the same. I really fail to see how you can discuss the Aira app without the service and while Aira probably already has or is probably planning to offer their app and service on Android that still doesn’t make it irrelevant to this list since most apps are also on Android and even Apple’s own music service is. I have been on this list for I think 9 years now and just recently thought how it has changed. Of course just as the iPhone has matured this list has also. I remember in the beginning that the list often had 100 messages a day and that just before, during and after events like the Apple Developer’s Conference in June or the big phone release in September traffic would spike although it often meant 20 messages from people who posted “downloading the new iOS update now” and so on. I used to be on Jonathan’s Blindphones list back around 2007 when I had a Windows mobile smartphone with MobileSpeak and eventually unsubscribed when I got my first iPhone and joined Viphone, but as Richard said, maybe it’s time to check out Blindphones now in this more modern time where iOS and Android are mature and well-established platforms. I certainly hope Mark will post a message and maybe let all of us know why he feels the way he does and then let us know if the arguments which were given are enough to make him reconsider his position. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate an
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I agree as well, this is why I will likely be leaving. Even more so, list traffic has turne political. Very sad. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Olivares Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:56 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: An Aria Update I agree with what you’re saying. I may also unsubscribe, as the only way to create change is to do something about it. If people complain and then proceed to do nothing, then nothing will change. I’ve not been on this list long, but I think it’s hypocritical for Mark to share endless articles ad nauseam about topics only tangentially related to blindness, and then reprimand someone for discussing a service that is absolutely about blindness. On Jan 27, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, the
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amen sister! and that’s all I’ll say! On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Sandy Finley wrote: Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Can we please calm down here? Mark is not a dictator — we simply disagree. Please do not take your marbles and go home just because you have a different perspective. Before you call Mark a dictator or anything worse, remember how well this list has been run for many years. Just because the bar for human decency has been dramatically lowered by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is no reason for us to follow suit. — in fact, we owe it to ourselves not to. Sandy Finleyjust because you disagree, Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > > Marie N, > I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I > choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its > promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating > visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their > phone. > No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. > No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. > I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. > If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. > Richard > > > The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have > any." -- Alice Walker > > > On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. wrote: > >> This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my >> opinion, a promotion of Aira. >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: An Aria Update >> >> One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" >> Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a >> list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life >> easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel >> threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career >> educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and >> charged pennies for it. >> Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product >> among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long >> run. >> >> It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for >> those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the >> BlindPhone list! >> >> >> Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts >> to this list. >> >> RegardsReg >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Tom Rash >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> Jonathan: >> I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned >> much from you and other contributors to the list. >> Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. >> I'll be joining the blind phones list. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Jonathan Mosen >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after >> around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about >> this change. >> During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had >> many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, >> especially when those apps were blindness specific. >> Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple >> occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it >> seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them >> know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been >> welcomed on other groups. >> It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, >> when the app is the vehicle for that service. >> Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, >> because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. >> Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to >> everyone for that. >> Should you wish to
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i agree, mark is a dictator, glad i will be leaving this list. if yo guys want, you can subscribe to my blindtech list: blindtech+subscr...@groups.io, where we talk about IOS, and more. -Original Message- From: Marie N. Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 9:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training http://www.mosen.org -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered to our community, is always appreciated. However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. Thank you all for observing this policy. Moderator Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aira Update I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list. Andy - Original Message - From: "James English" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM Subject: Re: An Aira Update Hello, I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for? https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; target="_blank">https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /> Virus
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I agree with what you’re saying. I may also unsubscribe, as the only way to create change is to do something about it. If people complain and then proceed to do nothing, then nothing will change. I’ve not been on this list long, but I think it’s hypocritical for Mark to share endless articles ad nauseam about topics only tangentially related to blindness, and then reprimand someone for discussing a service that is absolutely about blindness. > On Jan 27, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > > Marie N, > I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I > choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its > promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating > visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their > phone. > No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. > No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. > I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. > If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. > Richard > > > The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have > any." -- Alice Walker > > > On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. <mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: > >> This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my >> opinion, a promotion of Aira. >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: An Aria Update >> >> One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" >> Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a >> list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life >> easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel >> threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career >> educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and >> charged pennies for it. >> Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product >> among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long >> run. >> >> It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for >> those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the >> BlindPhone list! >> >> >> Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts >> to this list. >> >> RegardsReg >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >> Behalf Of Tom Rash >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> Jonathan: >> I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned >> much from you and other contributors to the list. >> Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. >> I'll be joining the blind phones list. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of >> Jonathan Mosen >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after >> around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about >> this change. >> During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had >> many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, >> especially when those apps were blindness specific. >> Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple >> occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it >> seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them >> know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been >> welcomed on other groups. >> It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, >> when the app is the vehicle for that service. >> Further, the service itself would in the past have bee
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Well now, I would be disappointed if there was no rebuttal. I didn't see anyone, certainly not Jonathan forcing your hand to accept his promotion. I would much rather hit the delete button if I wasn't interested. As Sandy responded, who has the time to look in multiple places when surfing other sites that may not be nearly as accessible can be a true waste of time. What this post has done for me as a blind person is research and educate myself based on all the great links provided by Jonathan and then I will be positioned to make my own decision on if Aira is for me or not! Great to hear all the opinions, after all that is what the list is for! RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie N. Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:12 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aria Update This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training http://www.mosen.org -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered to our community, is always appreciated. However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. Thank you all for observing this policy. Moderator Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aira Update I didn't kno
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Marie N, I find your post offensive. I also disagree with Mark. Aira is a service I choose not to subscribe to personally, but see nothing wrong with its promotion on this list since this list is supposed to be about educating visually impaired iPhone users about things that are helpful using their phone. No one complains when the subscription service for Apple Music is discussed. No one complains when TuneIn Pro Premium subscriptions are discussed. I think Jonathan deserves an apology for being singled out for this exclusion. If this policy is not changed, I too will be unsubscribing. Richard The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker On Jan 27, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote: This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:blindphones+subscr...@groups.io>. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosen.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ccf363a93f0564a9e69a508d68469ce1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636841987289948239sdata=hblxg0UyrZhn0zylvvtpmWCqKhv35w%2FZDVcre0kOFZ8%3Dreserved=0 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that
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This post is offensive and totally uncalled for. The message was, in my opinion, a promotion of Aira. -Original Message- From: Reg Sullivan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aria Update One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training http://www.mosen.org -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered to our community, is always appreciated. However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. Thank you all for observing this policy. Moderator Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aira Update I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list. Andy - Original Message - From: "James English" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM Subject: Re: An Aira Update Hello, I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for? https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; target="_blank">https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /> Virus-free. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of
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One of my favorite lines is "you chose to cut off the hand that feeds you" Mark, I am so surprised that as one entrusted in a leadership position of a list that educates it's followers on Iphone related apps that make life easier for those of us who choose to subscribe to them that you would feel threatened by Jonathan's good intentions.Jonathan made his career educating all of us on new ideas and concepts through his pod casts and charged pennies for it. Promoting Aira in this way will lead to broader acceptance of the product among the blindness community and greater value for all of us in the long run. It's time for you to resign your post as moderator of this list and time for those of us wanting open communication without barriers to move over to the BlindPhone list! Thank you to everyone who contributed to my tech development with your posts to this list. RegardsReg -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Jonathan: I've been on this list as long as you have. I appreciate and have learned much from you and other contributors to the list. Computers and iPhones are great. They even come wih delete keys. I'll be joining the blind phones list. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after around 9 years on the group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had many occasions where app developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those apps were blindness specific. Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple occasions, with some mentioning it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and of value to interested members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free trial. This has been welcomed on other groups. It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the service, when the app is the vehicle for that service. Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered on-topic, because one uses it on an iPhone and it is blindness specific. Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to everyone for that. Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely interact, you're welcome to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app developer wishes to take time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. blindphones+subscr...@groups.io. And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an Aira group too. Thanks all. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training http://www.mosen.org -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: An Aira Update I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered to our community, is always appreciated. However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on this list. Any questions regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. Thank you all for observing this policy. Moderator Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: An Aira Update I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list. Andy - Original Message - From: "James English" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM Subject: Re: An Aira Update > Hello, > > I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for? id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"> > > > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; > target="_blank"> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif; > alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" > /> > Virus-free. href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail; > target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com > > > height="1"> > > On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >> Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of Explorer >> communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following info >> may >> be of interest to some. >> >> For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio description >> of >> anything visual, provided by security-vetted,
