Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
It’s happened to me once with iOS 16, reset helped. The buttons for the reset are not the same for all phones, so I always have to google how to do it for this particular phone . Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > Op 15 sep. 2022 om 15:17 heeft Arnold Schmidt het > volgende geschreven: > > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried > would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there > for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until > this incident. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/45A5A45D-44BF-46A0-AC42-2FD069AAA35B%40gmail.com.
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02ad01d8c93a%240d56fb40%242804f1c0%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
That is what I had to do, get a sighted person to enter my passcode, when I had my phone off earlier today. I am very annoyed that I can't hear my screen very well, when I am on a phone call. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 3:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02ad01d8c93a%240d56fb40%242804f1c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/057901d8c953%249e08b930%24da1a2b90%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I saw this last night myself. I'm using the enhanced Ava voice. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 5:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That is what I had to do, get a sighted person to enter my passcode, when I had my phone off earlier today. I am very annoyed that I can't hear my screen very well, when I am on a phone call. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 3:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C42b7fa892ce24d47462408da976ac2ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637988782036515543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H6bv7PbNTU2qMA5%2Ff09PIwzy72Fm0keTFcZEt6u2bcw%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%2540gmail.com&data=05%7C01%7C%7C42b7fa892ce24d47462408da976ac2ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637988782036515543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iSXfWI0IgJWM5NFVMhpviQ%2BX%2FfJe647QNhDHImd0SD0%3D&reserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C42b7fa892ce24d47462408da976ac2ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637988782036515543%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H6bv7PbNTU2qMA5%2Ff09PIwzy72Fm0keTFcZEt6u2bcw%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F02ad01d8c93a%25240d56fb40%25242804f1c0%2524%2540gmail.com&data=05%7C01%7C%7C42b7fa892ce24d47462408da976ac2ed%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6379887820365155
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I think Samantha, but I am not sure. Reading through the latest posts, it seems to be happening more and more. Yet, I know somebody who was on the public beta with a regular iphone 13, that says it has never happened to him. When he heard about the experience of the person who was the subject of my message, he turned his 13 off, and it came back on with no problem. Who knows. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:33 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02ad01d8c93a%240d56fb40%242804f1c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1A1FD327-8731-41D5-AC97-6119B8620747%40gmail.com.
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
One thing I did not mention in my original message. After my friend had the sighted person enter his pass code and his phone came back on, then his watch was all messed up. Apple accessibility told him to do a forced restart of the watch, and it fixed it. So, when this happens to the phone, until they can get it figured out, I wonder if doing a forced restart of it, then turning it back on would work? I mean, there may not be a sighted person around to enter that code. It almost makes me want to upgrade just to see what camp my cheap phone would be in, but I think I will wait a bit. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 15, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: I think Samantha, but I am not sure. Reading through the latest posts, it seems to be happening more and more. Yet, I know somebody who was on the public beta with a regular iphone 13, that says it has never happened to him. When he heard about the experience of the person who was the subject of my message, he turned his 13 off, and it came back on with no problem. Who knows. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:33 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02ad01d8c93a%240d56fb40%242804f1c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EAB622E4-984C-4E3A-A25C-2E06FC9C1EB7%40gmail.c
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Mine did too after I updated it. I just turned it off today, because I was hoping it could get my Voiceover in sync so that I could hear it, while on a phone conversation, but after all that went down, it did not do one thing for Voiceover. Could someone tell me where I send an email to Apple to describe my problem, please? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 6:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I think Samantha, but I am not sure. Reading through the latest posts, it seems to be happening more and more. Yet, I know somebody who was on the public beta with a regular iphone 13, that says it has never happened to him. When he heard about the experience of the person who was the subject of my message, he turned his 13 off, and it came back on with no problem. Who knows. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:33 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02ad01d8c93a%240d56fb40%242804f1c0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1A1FD327-8731-41D5-AC97-6119B8620747%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important fo
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Apple Accessibility: accessibil...@apple.com On 15/09/2022 23:58, Carolyn wrote: Mine did too after I updated it. I just turned it off today, because I was hoping it could get my Voiceover in sync so that I could hear it, while on a phone conversation, but after all that went down, it did not do one thing for Voiceover. Could someone tell me where I send an email to Apple to describe my problem, please? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 6:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I think Samantha, but I am not sure. Reading through the latest posts, it seems to be happening more and more. Yet, I know somebody who was on the public beta with a regular iphone 13, that says it has never happened to him. When he heard about the experience of the person who was the subject of my message, he turned his 13 off, and it came back on with no problem. Who knows. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 15, 2022, at 3:33 PM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote: Do you know which voice he has set as his voice over voice? Chris Judge -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: September 15, 2022 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/b4c6856a-a30a-a4ae-c7ac-cfef9e1b0023%40iol.ie.
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Arnold SchmidtSent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
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VickyWhat an ordeal. Clever you, but not the sort of thing you have the desire to be spending that much time doing right? This thing about voice over not working until you’ve unlocked. Your phone is totally unacceptable. I just turned mine off altogether. I can’t be in years past I never seem to get my thumbprint down right, so I didn’t even bother this time either. And forget about facial recognition for now. finding that place to tell the phone to lock after three minutes or one minute or turn it off altogether can be a bit of a job too. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2022, at 11:21 PM, Vicky Collins wrote:I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Arnold SchmidtSent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this inc
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers entry. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Arnold Schmidt<mailto:als5...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 20
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And one m ore suggestion since you seem to have a second phone available, why not call Aira or Be My Eyes, using OCR on the screen is good and it may tell you what is there, but another person could have probably helped you tap the correct numbers. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Arnold Schmidt<mailto:als5...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with
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I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers entry. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly
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Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so many who have had this problem. My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. Karen P -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers entry. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn�t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn�t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn�t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would�ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn�t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume do
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted or blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they had this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not speaking when I reboot the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so many who have had this problem. My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. Karen P -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers entry. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn�t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn�t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on
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A friend of mine using iPhone 8 had the same problem after updating to iOS 16. We solved the problem by deleting the voices and reinstalling them again. That took care of the voice over problem not talking. Cheers Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted or > blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they had > this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. > I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not speaking > when I reboot the phone. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen > Poulakos > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 > Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned > my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so > many who have had this problem. > > My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. > > Karen P > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Carolyn > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not > work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can > enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if > you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful > than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. > > Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to > enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably > hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long > time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring > up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to > swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN > numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. > > I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a > number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you > turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers > entry. > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > > > I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, > but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default > Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. > > > > With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread > message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my > phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message > forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the > text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on > the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the > message. > > > > Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or > make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using > headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side > button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally > got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side > button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock > or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct > position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode > correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this > point, though, I had had en
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
You know what’s really weird is I have not experienced what you guys have experienced and I’m running iOS 16 it may be the voice I’m using I’m using Fred, which is not a new voice, but I figured perhaps maybe if this does happen again, maybe plug the phone in and it will automatically start and then it’ll vibrate or make that noise start up sound or whatever it does when you charge the phone and then maybe VoiceOver might come on, but I don’t know. At any rate, I’m glad you solved the issue. I just on an iPhone 8 plus and haven't got that issue yet, what voices does this happen with? This is for my own curiosity. older voices or newer voices? Or maybe even a combination of both? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > A friend of mine using iPhone 8 had the same problem after updating to iOS > 16. We solved the problem by deleting the voices and reinstalling them again. > That took care of the voice over problem not talking. > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted or >> blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they had >> this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. >> I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not speaking >> when I reboot the phone. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen >> Poulakos >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 >> Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned >> my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so >> many who have had this problem. >> >> My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. >> >> Karen P >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Carolyn >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not >> work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can >> enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if >> you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and >> successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without >> feedback. >> >> Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to >> enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably >> hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long >> time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring >> up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to >> swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN >> numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. >> >> I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a >> number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you >> turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers >> entry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> >> >> I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, >> but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default >> Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. >> >> >> >> With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread >> message badge I often get now
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I have an iPhone 11. When I did Shut down after update, no problem. Later in the week, I did a shut down to see if it would correct my Voiceover problem when in phone conversation. There was no Voiceover when trying to bring the phone back up. It took Apple Accessibility and my sighted husband to get things back in sync. Apple suggested that if it happened again that they'd like for me to do a, "log capture," (whatever in the world that is). They gave me some instruction, but honestly, they don't make much sense to me. Anyway, I don't intend to Power Off until the next update. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 3:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted or blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they had this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not speaking when I reboot the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so many who have had this problem. My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. Karen P -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without feedback. Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers entry. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver sta
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Mine happened with Evan Enhanced. I would have switched back to Samantha, but someone on this or another list said it happened to their phone with Samantha. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHELA Robles Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 6:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot You know what’s really weird is I have not experienced what you guys have experienced and I’m running iOS 16 it may be the voice I’m using I’m using Fred, which is not a new voice, but I figured perhaps maybe if this does happen again, maybe plug the phone in and it will automatically start and then it’ll vibrate or make that noise start up sound or whatever it does when you charge the phone and then maybe VoiceOver might come on, but I don’t know. At any rate, I’m glad you solved the issue. I just on an iPhone 8 plus and haven't got that issue yet, what voices does this happen with? This is for my own curiosity. older voices or newer voices? Or maybe even a combination of both? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Cris Ali wrote: > > A friend of mine using iPhone 8 had the same problem after updating to iOS > 16. We solved the problem by deleting the voices and reinstalling them again. > That took care of the voice over problem not talking. > Cheers > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted or >> blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they had >> this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. >> I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not speaking >> when I reboot the phone. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen >> Poulakos >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 >> Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned >> my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so >> many who have had this problem. >> >> My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. >> >> Karen P >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Carolyn >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not >> work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can >> enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if >> you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and >> successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without >> feedback. >> >> Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to >> enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably >> hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long >> time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring >> up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to >> swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN >> numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. >> >> I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a >> number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you >> turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers >> entry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> >
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On the subject of oddities, with voiceover, why won't the voice I choose for my Apple watch switch from siri say to Fred for example or Alex? I have watchOS 9. I wonder if the subject of not getting any speech on the phone happens with Alex as well sorry for flip-flopping back and forth. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Mine happened with Evan Enhanced. I would have switched back to Samantha, > but someone on this or another list said it happened to their phone with > Samantha. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > CHELA Robles > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 6:12 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > You know what’s really weird is I have not experienced what you guys have > experienced and I’m running iOS 16 it may be the voice I’m using I’m using > Fred, which is not a new voice, but I figured perhaps maybe if this does > happen again, maybe plug the phone in and it will automatically start and > then it’ll vibrate or make that noise start up sound or whatever it does when > you charge the phone and then maybe VoiceOver might come on, but I don’t > know. At any rate, I’m glad you solved the issue. I just on an iPhone 8 plus > and haven't got that issue yet, what voices does this happen with? This is > for my own curiosity. older voices or newer voices? Or maybe even a > combination of both? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >> >> A friend of mine using iPhone 8 had the same problem after updating to iOS >> 16. We solved the problem by deleting the voices and reinstalling them >> again. That took care of the voice over problem not talking. >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >>> I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted >>> or blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they >>> had this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. >>> I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not >>> speaking when I reboot the phone. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Karen Poulakos >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader >>> 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't >>> turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing >>> from so many who have had this problem. >>> >>> My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. >>> >>> Karen P >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Carolyn >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does >>> not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can >>> enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if >>> you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and >>> successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without >>> feedback. >>> >>> Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to >>> enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably >>> hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long >>> time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does >>> bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defa
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The only workaround I see in regards to the phone, not having speech when rebooting, it is to actually plug it in to the charger and have the charger miraculously restart the phone and then possibly tell Siri to turn on voiceover if voiceover is off and if it’s on already and it’s not speaking, then tell Siri to turn it off and then turn it on see what happens. just a possibility. something to try out. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > Mine happened with Evan Enhanced. I would have switched back to Samantha, > but someone on this or another list said it happened to their phone with > Samantha. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > CHELA Robles > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 6:12 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > You know what’s really weird is I have not experienced what you guys have > experienced and I’m running iOS 16 it may be the voice I’m using I’m using > Fred, which is not a new voice, but I figured perhaps maybe if this does > happen again, maybe plug the phone in and it will automatically start and > then it’ll vibrate or make that noise start up sound or whatever it does when > you charge the phone and then maybe VoiceOver might come on, but I don’t > know. At any rate, I’m glad you solved the issue. I just on an iPhone 8 plus > and haven't got that issue yet, what voices does this happen with? This is > for my own curiosity. older voices or newer voices? Or maybe even a > combination of both? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Cris Ali wrote: >> >> A friend of mine using iPhone 8 had the same problem after updating to iOS >> 16. We solved the problem by deleting the voices and reinstalling them >> again. That took care of the voice over problem not talking. >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >>> I don't really think it's that many compared to how many people (sighted >>> or blind) are using the iPhone. I don't recall exactly how many say they >>> had this issue, but I bet it wasn't more than 4 or 5. >>> I have an iPhone 11 and had no issues whatsoever with Voiceover not >>> speaking when I reboot the phone. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Karen Poulakos >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 12:43 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader >>> 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't >>> turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing >>> from so many who have had this problem. >>> >>> My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. >>> >>> Karen P >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Carolyn >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does >>> not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can >>> enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if >>> you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and >>> successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without >>> feedback. >>> >>> Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to >>> enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably >>> hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long >>> time and for some r
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As for me, I do not have phone service on my second old I Phone. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 2:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot And one m ore suggestion since you seem to have a second phone available, why not call Aira or Be My Eyes, using OCR on the screen is good and it may tell you what is there, but another person could have probably helped you tap the correct numbers. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Arnold Schmidt <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor
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Neither Aira nor Be My Eyes require phone service, they work just fine as long as you are on WiFi. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of deidreandlou...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 5:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot As for me, I do not have phone service on my second old I Phone. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 2:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot And one m ore suggestion since you seem to have a second phone available, why not call Aira or Be My Eyes, using OCR on the screen is good and it may tell you what is there, but another person could have probably helped you tap the correct numbers. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Arnold Schmidt<mailto:als5...@gmail.com> Sent: Th
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Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in that mode. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt wrote: > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he > tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it > out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS > 16, until this incident. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com > . > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6yEfdM22X%3Di2bebaykxMC0qz_G-p_TrXzEHojT7Au2aA%40mail.gmail.com.
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It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in that mode. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6yEfdM22X%3Di2bebaykxMC0qz_G-p_TrXzEHojT7Au2aA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6yEfdM22X%3Di2bebaykxMC0qz_G-p_TrXzEHojT7Au2aA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/048001d8cd3e%24af2e4060%240d8ac120%24%40windstream.net.
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there really is a problem. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in that mode. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6yEfdM22X%3Di2bebaykxMC0qz_G-p_TrXzEHojT7Au2aA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAGJxbF6yEfdM22X%3Di2bebaykxMC0qz_G-p_TrXzEHojT7Au2aA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emai
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: > > I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the > situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do a > forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect to > power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there > really is a problem. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole > different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen > recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in > that mode. > > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried > would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there > for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until > this incident. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Hi, Just as a note, I have had this happen to me this morning. Thanks for bringing this up. My iphone 8 plus is not on any cell network. I am running ios 16. Matthew -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 11:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: > > I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the > situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do a > forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect to > power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there > really is a problem. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole > different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen > recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in > that mode. > > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried > would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there > for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until > this incident. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.e
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover voice? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: > > I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the > situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do a > forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect to > power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there > really is a problem. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: > > It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole > different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen > recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in > that mode. > > Devin Prater > r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried > would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there > for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until > this incident. > > Arnold Schmidt > > > Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6AF7D724-6E9E-4586-B344-1F79FD8EE70F%40gmail.com. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner i
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start Voiceover the long way. I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double tapped and exited settings. I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check their settings just in case. Gary On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover voice? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there really is a problem. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in that mode. Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this incident. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.
Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. >> >> I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering >> my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I >> called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the >> bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about >> sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue >> and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that >> some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >>> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >>> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >>> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then >>> there really is a problem. >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >>> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Devin Prater >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >>> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're >>> in that mode. >>> >>> Devin Prater >>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt >>> <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as >>> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver >>> would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor >>> doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard >>> when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had >>> been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter hi
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I did change voices, meaning switched to another voice and back to the Samantha default, but I don’t think I can delete that Samantha default voice? Also, when this happened again last night, when I tried to read the screen with my other iPhone, I couldn’t do it this time. I’m wondering if that was because I had the brightness set to zero before I lost speech, and it was still set at zero when I checked after I got the speech back? And if so, I’m wondering if anybody else could’ve read my screen had I opted to ask them? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to > delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover > voice? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I > would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. > > I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering > my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I > called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the > bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about > sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and > not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some > people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >> >> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there >> really is a problem. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >> >> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in >> that mode. >> >> Devin Prater >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt > <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as >> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver >> would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor >> doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard >> when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had >> been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code >> before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he >> tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it >> out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS >> 16, until this incident. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list
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Where do you find Accessibility Shortcuts in Settings? -Original Message- From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start Voiceover the long way. I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double tapped and exited settings. I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check their settings just in case. Gary On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to > delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover > voice? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I > would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. > > I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering > my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I > called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the > bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about > sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and > not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some > people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >> >> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there >> really is a problem. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >> >> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in >> that mode. >> >> Devin Prater >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt > <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >>I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as >> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver >> would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor >> doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard >> when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had >> been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code >> before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he >> tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it >> out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS >> 16, until this incident. >> >>Arnold Schmidt >> >> >>Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >>--
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I looked in Shortcuts and in Accessibility and am not finding Accessibiity Shortcuts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. >> >> I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering >> my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I >> called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the >> bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about >> sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue >> and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that >> some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >>> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >>> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >>> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then >>> there really is a problem. >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >>> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Devin Prater >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >>> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're >>> in that mode. >>> >>> Devin Prater >>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt >>> <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as >>> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, V
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Then check Settings > Accessibility almost at the very bottom, when the "Accessibility shortcut" is mentioned which is the triple press of the side button, this has nothing to do with the Shortcuts app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I looked in Shortcuts and in Accessibility and am not finding Accessibiity Shortcuts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. >> >> I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering >> my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I >> called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the >> bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about >> sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue >> and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that >> some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >>> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >>> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >>> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then >>> there really is a problem. >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >>> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Devin Prater >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >>> >>> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >>> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're >>> in that mode. >>> >>> Devin Prater >>> r
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Unless you have screen curtain on people can read your screen even at 0% brightness. Maybe not in bright light, but definitely in a room and if Voiceover was truly off or unloaded then the screen curtain makes no difference either because as soon as you turn off Voiceover screen curtain is also off. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 1:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I did change voices, meaning switched to another voice and back to the Samantha default, but I don’t think I can delete that Samantha default voice? Also, when this happened again last night, when I tried to read the screen with my other iPhone, I couldn’t do it this time. I’m wondering if that was because I had the brightness set to zero before I lost speech, and it was still set at zero when I checked after I got the speech back? And if so, I’m wondering if anybody else could’ve read my screen had I opted to ask them? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to > delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover > voice? > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I > would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. > > I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering > my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I > called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the > bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about > sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue and > not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that some > people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >> >> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then there >> really is a problem. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >> >> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen >> recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're in >> that mode. >> >> Devin Prater >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt > <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as >> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver >> would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor >> doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard >> when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had >> been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code >> before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he >> tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it >> out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS >> 16, until this incident. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns ab
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Where would I go to check of the Shortcut is off that has been mentioned? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 6:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Then check Settings > Accessibility almost at the very bottom, when the "Accessibility shortcut" is mentioned which is the triple press of the side button, this has nothing to do with the Shortcuts app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I looked in Shortcuts and in Accessibility and am not finding Accessibiity Shortcuts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. >> >> I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering >> my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I >> called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with, had not heard of the >> bug, but he did take my name and file a report. When I mentioned about >> sending some type of logs to Apple, he said that was for a specific issue >> and not one that was happening to several people, as I had mentioned that >> some people on various blindness related email lists also had the problem. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:47 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote: >>> >>> I have yet to upgrade, so I can't testth this myself. But when in the >>> situation where VoiceOver won't talk after a reboot, what happens if you do >>> a forced restart, and, as it were, start over? If possible, I would connect >>> to power to restart after the forced restart. If this won't work, then >>> there really is a problem. >>> >>> Arnold Schmidt >>> >>> >>> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's not Speech that gets turned off, but Voiceover, so that is a whole >>> different animal, as far as gestures are concerned. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Devin Prater >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 4:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subjec
RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot
Just explained it in the previous message: Settings > Accessibility > Accessibility Shortcut, it is the second last item from the bottom, only thing underneath it is "Per App Settings". Instead of swiping right all the way through all the options you can do a 4-finger single tap on the bottom half of the screen after you go to Settings > Accessibility. This will take you to the very last item which is "Per App Settings", now swipe left once and you hear "Accessibility Shortcut". Double tap on it and select Voiceover, make sure nothing else is selected. Once you do this a triple press of the home button will turn Voiceover on if it is off or it will turn it off if it is on. Remember you can also press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn on Voiceover" or "Turn off Voiceover". If you do this and Voiceover is already on Siri will say "Voiceover is already turned on". If you don't have sound and Siri tells you Voiceover is on that means most likely either the speech is muted or the volume is down so low that you can't hear anything. If speech is muted which is different from turning Voiceover off completely, you typically still hear clicks and such if you flick left or right. The gesture to mute or unmute speech is a double tap with 3 fingers. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Where would I go to check of the Shortcut is off that has been mentioned? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 6:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Then check Settings > Accessibility almost at the very bottom, when the "Accessibility shortcut" is mentioned which is the triple press of the side button, this has nothing to do with the Shortcuts app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I looked in Shortcuts and in Accessibility and am not finding Accessibiity Shortcuts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode, and there was still no speech. >> >> I lost speech upon boot up again tonight, but managed to luck into entering >> my passcode correctly after being locked out for the 15 minutes. When I >> called Apple Accessibility, the person I spoke with
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Hello Karen, I had this same issue on an iPhone10r and I did try using an external braille display (Focus 14 Blue) in my case to try and enter the passcode to unlock the phone. I was not able to do this and I had to enter the passcode without sighted help using just the touch screen. I also tried using Be My Eyes on a second phone without any luck. What we found was that the screen would lock too quickly for them to try and read the numbers on it to allow me to enter my passcode so I finally was able to do this on my own. I have refrained from rebooting the phone ever since. On 9/19/22, Karen Poulakos wrote: > Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 > Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned > my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so > many who have had this problem. > > My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. > > Karen P > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Carolyn > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not > work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can > enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if > you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and > successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without > feedback. > > Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to > enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably > hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long > time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring > up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to > swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN > numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. > > I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a > number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you > turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers > entry. > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > > > I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, > but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default > Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. > > > > With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread > message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my > phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message > forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the > text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on > the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the > message. > > > > Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak > or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using > headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side > button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally > got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the > side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to > unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the > correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the > passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting > to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering > that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the > opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. > > > > As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 > Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I ha
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I can't remember if this was always possible or if it started at some point in the last 2-3 years, but you can definitely enter your Pin with a Bluetooth keyboard if you have one connected to my phone. In my case all I have to do if my Bluetooth keyboard is connected it to press the spacebar which wakes up the phone and I can then type in my 6-digit Pin on the numeric pad of my Logitech K780 and the phone unlocks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shai Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Hello Karen, I had this same issue on an iPhone10r and I did try using an external braille display (Focus 14 Blue) in my case to try and enter the passcode to unlock the phone. I was not able to do this and I had to enter the passcode without sighted help using just the touch screen. I also tried using Be My Eyes on a second phone without any luck. What we found was that the screen would lock too quickly for them to try and read the numbers on it to allow me to enter my passcode so I finally was able to do this on my own. I have refrained from rebooting the phone ever since. On 9/19/22, Karen Poulakos wrote: > Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit > Reader 20 Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I > haven't turned my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to > after hearing from so many who have had this problem. > > My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. > > Karen P > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover > does not work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone > you can enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard > or a NumPad if you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot > easier and successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the > touchscreen without feedback. > > Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how > to enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's > probably hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first > time in a long time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the > right which does bring up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults > to lower case and I have to swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to > numbers, then I can write my PIN numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. > > I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you > have a number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be > nice if once you turned the rotor to handwriting it would > automatically default to numbers entry. > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Vicky Collins > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > > > I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday > night, but I haven t had the problem with either phone since. I m > using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS > 16. > > > > With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one > unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on > one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text > message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I > don t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the > message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone > on which I haven t read the message. > > > > Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not > speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to > Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple > click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring > back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with > Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it &
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Thanks, got it! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 7:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Just explained it in the previous message: Settings > Accessibility > Accessibility Shortcut, it is the second last item from the bottom, only thing underneath it is "Per App Settings". Instead of swiping right all the way through all the options you can do a 4-finger single tap on the bottom half of the screen after you go to Settings > Accessibility. This will take you to the very last item which is "Per App Settings", now swipe left once and you hear "Accessibility Shortcut". Double tap on it and select Voiceover, make sure nothing else is selected. Once you do this a triple press of the home button will turn Voiceover on if it is off or it will turn it off if it is on. Remember you can also press and hold the side button and tell SIRI "Turn on Voiceover" or "Turn off Voiceover". If you do this and Voiceover is already on Siri will say "Voiceover is already turned on". If you don't have sound and Siri tells you Voiceover is on that means most likely either the speech is muted or the volume is down so low that you can't hear anything. If speech is muted which is different from turning Voiceover off completely, you typically still hear clicks and such if you flick left or right. The gesture to mute or unmute speech is a double tap with 3 fingers. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Where would I go to check of the Shortcut is off that has been mentioned? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 6:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot Then check Settings > Accessibility almost at the very bottom, when the "Accessibility shortcut" is mentioned which is the triple press of the side button, this has nothing to do with the Shortcuts app. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I looked in Shortcuts and in Accessibility and am not finding Accessibiity Shortcuts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vicky Collins Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2022 4:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot That was a good thought, but in my case, when I checked, the accessibility shortcut was indeed on, and did not work at the boot tup until the passcode had been entered. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2022, at 3:51 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I had this problem when I upgraded my SE20. At first I thought the upgrade > was fine until I deleted a few e mails and the phone crashed. > > I had the same problem, no way could I get the phone to speak at boot up, > eventually I had to get sighted help to input the pass code and start > Voiceover the long way. > > I had a look through settings and noticed that the accessibility shortcut > was turned off, which it most certainly wasn't before the upgrade. > > I went into the shortcut settings, moved Voiceover up to the top, probably > not necessary but I wasn't taking chances and swiped down to activate double > tapped and exited settings. > > I rebooted my phone knowing/hoping that at least the triple click on the > home button should get me running if Voiceover didn't start, but to my > surprise Voiceover came back up as the phone re-started. > > I would suggest that anyone who has experienced this problem double check > their settings just in case. > > > Gary > >> On 21/09/2022 20:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Have you tried what was suggested, forgot who posted it, and that is to >> delete and reinstall whatever voice you are using as your primary Voiceover >> voice? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Vicky >> Collins >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot >> >> In my case, the forced restart just brought me back to the screen where I >> would enter the passcode,
