Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
I tried it both ways and it worked. But I hadn't had the dots all mixed up. - Original Message - From: "Tom Rash" To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the right or the left, or is it nonspecific? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote: > How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top > mode once you activate the braille screen input? > And how do you keep it from switching to away mode? > Thanks. > Jerry Mader > >_ > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > > Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using > a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins > brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it > gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins > brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. > -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Well I will eventually figure it out I hope. I have been fairly busy or too tired to do anything. They tell me it will pass but at this point not sure. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicki Keck Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more like a slate and stylus. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com> wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Br
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the right or the left, or is it nonspecific? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Hallsworth Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote: > How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top > mode once you activate the braille screen input? > And how do you keep it from switching to away mode? > Thanks. > Jerry Mader > >_ > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > > Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using > a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins > brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it > gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins > brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. > -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Braille input is actually available on any device that can run iOS8. I''m using Braille input on my iPod Touch 5G. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Christopher Hallsworth > wrote: > > Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone unless > it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and have no > interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot Braille screen > input on the iPad including the Mini. > > > Sent from my laptop > >> On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on >> the iPhone as well as the iPad. >> >> HTH, >> Anna >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>> >>> This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table >>> top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a >>> Perkins. Really digging the wider keys. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>>> On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>> Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch >>>> between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only). >>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? >>>>> This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> reggie and Allegra >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't >>>>> matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but >>>>> when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often >>>>> says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I >>>>> have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the >>>>> upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for >>>>> example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable >>>>> words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So >>>>> I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better >>>>> at some future time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >>>>>> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method >>>>>> and a >>>>>> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >>>>>> They're different, but similar enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> Teresa >>>>>> >>>>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>>>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>>>>>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>>>>>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>>>>>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>>>>>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>>>>>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>>>>>> onscree
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
I'm right there with you, Deb. My gestures still aren't always recognized when I use the onscreen Braille keyboard. And yesterday, while I was talking on the phone using my Bluetooth headset, I tried to respond to a text message using the onscreen Braille keyboard, and Bluetooth crashed, routing the call to the handset. I can reproduce this every time. I'm telling you, something funky is going on here. CHERYL Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: > > Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't > matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but > when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often > says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I > have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the > upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for > example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable > words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So > I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better > at some future time. > > > >> On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >> They're different, but similar enough. >> >> Teresa >> >> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >>> sure. >>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>> have never tried it. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>> ! >>>> >>>> Sharonda >>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>> the device. >>>> >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Sandy Finley >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> Nicki and others, >>>> >>>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>>> >>>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the >>>> right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting >>>> on your rotor follows the edit field around. >>>> >>>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For so
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Oddly, and blessedly for me; the fingers used for the dots, remain the same in both. Good job I was brought up on the old slate mind so I can work it out everywhichway. - Original Message - From: "Nicki Keck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:52 PM Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more like a slate and stylus. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak mailto:cah4...@icloud.com> > wrote: Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com> wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com&g
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Hi all. I'm writing this with braille mode. Thee space is a little quirky, but my goodness itworks!-.iPad > On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Nicki Keck wrote: > > Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more > like a slate and stylus. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rose Combs > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I > get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds > whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would > have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never > been particularly adept at that. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > christopher hallsworth > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM > To: Viphone > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on > there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite > happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. > > Sent from my Macbook Pro > > On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > > > Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a > slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would > feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the > feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But > it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is > better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a > Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with > the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, > though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than > hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode > easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get > accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is > definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: > > > Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and > a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen > braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never > tried it. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sharonda Greenlaw > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille > ! > > Sharonda > Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > > On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > > That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the > days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, > and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays > reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. > > Neal > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > OfSandy Finley > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out > > Nicki and others, > > I don’t
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Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone unless it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and have no interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot Braille screen input on the iPad including the Mini. Sent from my laptop On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the iPhone as well as the iPad. HTH, Anna On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall wrote: Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only). On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. reggie and Allegra On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better at some future time. On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is impo
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Well I will look at it but it may not be for a couple of weeks I've got a lot of things going on right now Sent from my iPhone Rose Combs > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, > though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than > hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode > easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get > accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is > definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >> >> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and >> a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen >> braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never >> tried it. >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sharonda Greenlaw >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >> >> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >> ! >> >> Sharonda >> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >> >> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: >> >> That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the >> device. >> >> Neal >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sandy Finley >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >> >> Nicki and others, >> >> I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned >> from others that helped me with the braille input. >> >> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. >> The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your >> rotor follows the edit field around. >> >> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table >> mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >> >> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >> >> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo >> characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in >> unconstructed Braille. >> >> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. >> 5. >> 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures >> again. HTH >> >> Sandy >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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Absolutely. Using tabletop mode is more like using a braille writer and using away mode is more like using a slate and stylus unless somebody has found a different way of placing fingers than I have found. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Nicki Keck wrote: > Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more > like a slate and stylus. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rose Combs > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I > get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds > whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would > have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never > been particularly adept at that. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > christopher hallsworth > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM > To: Viphone > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on > there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite > happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. > > Sent from my Macbook Pro > > On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > > > Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a > slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would > feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the > feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But > it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is > better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a > Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with > the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, > though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than > hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode > easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get > accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is > definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: > > > Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and > a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen > braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never > tried it. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sharonda Greenlaw > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille > ! > > Sharonda > Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > > On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > > That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the > days when I used a slate and stylus and when y
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3-finger swipe down. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Regina Alvarado Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. reggie and Allegra On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better at some future time. > On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy > is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this > method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and > seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you >> said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in >> braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes >> entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to >> really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not >> be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving >> it a shot to see for sure. >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>> >>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old >>> one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using >>> an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser >>> but, I have never tried it. >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! >>> >>> Sharonda >>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back >>> to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were >>> writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, >>> note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it >>> interesting that you have both on the device. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sandy Finley >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> Nicki and others, >>> >>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>> >>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the >>> right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille >>> setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. >>> >>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in >>> table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>> >>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >>> >>> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does >>> not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point >>> so I write in unconstructed Braille. >>> >>> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. &
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Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more like a slate and stylus. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak mailto:cah4...@icloud.com> > wrote: Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com> wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the r
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Hi, You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the iPhone as well as the iPad. HTH, Anna On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top > mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a > Perkins. Really digging the wider keys. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > >> On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch >> between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only). >> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This >>> is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. >>> >>> >>> reggie and Allegra >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: >>> >>> Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't >>> matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but >>> when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often >>> says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I >>> have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the >>> upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for >>> example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable >>> words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So >>> I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better >>> at some future time. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >>>> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >>>> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >>>> They're different, but similar enough. >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>>>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>>>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>>>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>>>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>>>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >>>>> sure. >>>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>>>> have never tried it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>>>> >>>>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sharonda >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>>>> the device. >>>>>>
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This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. Really digging the wider keys. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall wrote: > > Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch > between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only). > On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This >> is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. >> >> >> reggie and Allegra >> >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis > <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't >> matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but >> when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often >> says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I >> have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the >> upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for >> example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable >> words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So >> I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better >> at some future time. >> >> >> >>> On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran mailto:batsfly...@me.com>> >>> wrote: >>> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >>> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >>> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >>> They're different, but similar enough. >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >>>> sure. >>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs >>>> <mailto:roseco...@q.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>>> have never tried it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On >>>>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>>> >>>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>>> Sharonda >>>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>>> <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>>> the device. >>>>> >>>>> Neal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From:
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only). On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: > Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This > is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: > > Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't > matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but > when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often > says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I > have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the > upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for > example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable > words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So > I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better > at some future time. > > > >> On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >> They're different, but similar enough. >> >> Teresa >> >> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >>> sure. >>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>> have never tried it. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>> ! >>>> >>>> Sharonda >>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>> the device. >>>> >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Sandy Finley >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> Nicki and others, >>>> >>>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>>> >>>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the >>>> right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting >>>> on your rotor follows the edit field around. >>>> >>>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in >>>> table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>>> >>>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >>>> >>>> Unfortunatel
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Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me. reggie and Allegra On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better at some future time. > On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is > better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a > Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing > with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >> sure. >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>> >>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>> have never tried it. >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>> ! >>> >>> Sharonda >>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>> the device. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sandy Finley >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> Nicki and others, >>> >>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>> >>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the >>> right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting >>> on your rotor follows the edit field around. >>> >>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in >>> table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>> >>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >>> >>> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not >>> echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I >>> write in unconstructed Braille. >>> >>> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. >>> 5. >>> 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures >>> again. HTH >>> >>> Sandy >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>> list. All new membe
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Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote: How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode once you activate the braille screen input? And how do you keep it from switching to away mode? Thanks. Jerry Mader _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I get. Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never been particularly adept at that. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM To: Viphone Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com> wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have
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I tried screen away mode because that was what the podcaster was doing, but I, like you, Cheryl, prefer tabletop mode, now that I have it working. I never was good at using a slate and stylus, so Perkins is the way to go for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran mailto:batsfly...@me.com> > wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall < <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs < <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com> wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this
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I am happy to report that Cheryl’s tips have helped me and now I am using braille input fairly effectively. The only problem I had was one of my own making, after I figured it out. I switched to 6dot uncontracted so that my characters would be spelled out. Kept thinking I should be using computer braille and so kept pressing dots 4-6 for a period and getting underscore and getting frustrated, until it hit me, 6-dot uncontracted would mean regular grade 1 braille. So once I figured out that, I am actually really happy with the 6-dot uncontracted, because getting dots 1-6 figured out is enough; I don’t want to deal with dots 7 and 8 as well. I think I may even switch to 6-dot uncontracted on my braille display as well. I still make some mistakes, but I am way better than I was and it is faster even than direct touch typing. I may even remove fleksy, which isn’t working right for me anyway, as braille input for me is faster than even that. So thakns for all the help. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out You do have to choose Braille in each edit field. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Dan Beaver mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi, I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I have one question about the braille input keyboard. Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field? Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit field? thanks. Dan Beaver From: Sandy Finley <mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is importa
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How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top mode once you activate the braille screen input? And how do you keep it from switching to away mode? Thanks. Jerry Mader _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfSandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to t
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I find that the ergonomic design of tabletop mode throws me off, and doesn't feel exactly like a Perkins. Away mode has the three vertical dots in a straight line, and I find that easier, despite the odd placement. I wanted to learn both methods, and I'll still practice with both, though. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:25 PM, christopher hallsworth > wrote: > > Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on > there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite > happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. > > Sent from my Macbook Pro > >> On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: >> >> Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a >> slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would >> feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the >> feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But >> it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. >> >> -- >> Cheryl >> >> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >> thrown in the trash! >> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >> His joy for my despairing tears! >> And now, every day: >> "This I call to mind, >> and therefore I have hope: >> The steadfast love of the Lord >> never ceases; >> his mercies never come to an end; >> they are new every morning; >> great is your faithfulness." >> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> >>> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >>> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >>> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >>> They're different, but similar enough. >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >>>> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >>>> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >>>> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >>>> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. >>>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>>> have never tried it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>>> Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>>> >>>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>>> ! >>>>> >>>>> Sharonda >>>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>>> the device. >>>>> >>>>> Neal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>>> OfSandy Finley >>>>&g
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Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only. Sent from my Macbook Pro On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a > slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would > feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the > feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But > it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is >> better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a >> Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. >> They're different, but similar enough. >> >> Teresa >> >> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >> >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >>> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than >>> hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode >>> easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get >>> accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is >>> definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>>> have never tried it. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>>> ! >>>> >>>> Sharonda >>>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: >>>> >>>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>>> the device. >>>> >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> OfSandy Finley >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>>> >>>> Nicki and others, >>>> >>>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>>> >>>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. >>>> The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your >>>> rotor follows the edit field around. >>>> >>>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table >>>> mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>>> >>>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not
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Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way to do it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is > better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a > Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with > the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than >> hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode >> easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get >> accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is >> definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >> >>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen >>> braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never >>> tried it. >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>> ! >>> >>> Sharonda >>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: >>> >>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the >>> device. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> OfSandy Finley >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> Nicki and others, >>> >>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>> >>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. >>> The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your >>> rotor follows the edit field around. >>> >>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table >>> mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>> >>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >>> >>> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not >>> echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write >>> in unconstructed Braille. >>> >>> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. >>> 5. >>> 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures >>> again. HTH >>> >>> Sandy >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If y
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Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better at some future time. On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is > better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a > Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. > They're different, but similar enough. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing > with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, >> though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille >> than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my >> passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it >> out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the >> convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for >> sure. >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >>> >>> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one >>> and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an >>> onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I >>> have never tried it. >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >>> ! >>> >>> Sharonda >>> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >>> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >>> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >>> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on >>> the device. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sandy Finley >>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >>> >>> Nicki and others, >>> >>> I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have >>> learned from others that helped me with the braille input. >>> >>> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the >>> right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting >>> on your rotor follows the edit field around. >>> >>> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in >>> table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >>> >>> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >>> >>> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not >>> echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I >>> write in unconstructed Braille. >>> >>> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. >>> 5. >>> 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures >>> again. HTH >>> >>> Sandy >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owner
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I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. They're different, but similar enough. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, > though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than > hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode > easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get > accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is > definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: >> >> Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and >> a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen >> braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never >> tried it. >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sharonda Greenlaw >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out >> >> this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille >> ! >> >> Sharonda >> Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes >> >> On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: >> >> That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the >> days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, >> two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille >> displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the >> device. >> >> Neal >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sandy Finley >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >> >> Nicki and others, >> >> I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned >> from others that helped me with the braille input. >> >> 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. >> The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your >> rotor follows the edit field around. >> >> 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table >> mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. >> >> 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. >> >> Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo >> characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in >> unconstructed Braille. >> >> 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. >> 5. >> 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures >> again. HTH >> >> Sandy >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the own
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure. On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs wrote: > Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and > a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen > braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never > tried it. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sharonda Greenlaw > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille > ! > > Sharonda > Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > > On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > > That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the > days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, > and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays > reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. > > Neal > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sandy Finley > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out > > Nicki and others, > > I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned > from others that helped me with the braille input. > > 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. > The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your > rotor follows the edit field around. > > 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table > mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. > > 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. > > Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo > characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in > unconstructed Braille. > > 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. > 5. > 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures > again. HTH > > Sandy > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the runn
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen braille writing tool. Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never tried it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member'
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I have done it the triditional way for so long, I don't know if I can even wrap my head around this method. I am use to having 1 2 3 from right to left on the left side, and 4 5 6 from left to right on the right side with the space bar in the middle. I will try it more when I get my 6plus. Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple-subscr...@ultragroups.us Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:32 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote: > Yw! > > There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a > thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have > time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > > On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > >> Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something >> that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not >> sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. >> And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it >> would appear that there is an easier way. >> >> This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a >> little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work. >> >> Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. >> >> Neal >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Cheryl Homiak >> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out >> >> Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots >> stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very >> confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put >> this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is >> "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode. >> >> If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and >> tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then >> turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from >> left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will >> have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of >> my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side >> but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If >> I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further >> right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with >> the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing >> me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to >> right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three >> fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is >> toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side >> but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like >> brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the >> middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a >> braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where >> I wanted a space. >> >> Here's the same equation with the home button on the left: >> If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it >> away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn >> it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 >> with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my >> lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the >> home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the >> dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is >> the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would >> have the space key between the 1 and the 4. >> >> I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent.
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
You do have to choose Braille in each edit field. Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Dan Beaver wrote: > > Hi, > > I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I > have one question about the braille input keyboard. > > Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field? > Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit > field? > > thanks. > > Dan Beaver > > From: Sandy Finley > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > Nicki and others, > > I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned > from others that helped me with the braille input. > > 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. > The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your > rotor follows the edit field around. > > 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table > mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. > > 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. > > Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo > characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in > unconstructed Braille. > > 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. > 5. > 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures > again. HTH > > Sandy > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
You must always switch into it. Once you get used to doing a rightward rotor gesture, it really isn't a problem, and it certainly beats needing to switch to a whole different app. :) Now they just need to work out the minor bugs and we'll be off and running! On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Dan Beaver wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I > have one question about the braille input keyboard. > > Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field? > Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit > field? > > thanks. > > Dan Beaver > > From: Sandy Finley > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out > > Nicki and others, > > I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned > from others that helped me with the braille input. > > 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. > The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your > rotor follows the edit field around. > > 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table > mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. > > 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. > > Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo > characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in > unconstructed Braille. > > 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. > 5. > 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures > again. HTH > > Sandy > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched athttp://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Hi, I haven't seen the manual or anything yet and do not have IOS 8 yet but I have one question about the braille input keyboard. Is it possible to tell the phone to always use braille in any edit field? Or, do we always have to switch it to braille each time we move to an edit field? thanks. Dan Beaver From: Sandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Yes, I have that thread. I'll try that as well. Thanks. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out Yw! There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would appear that there is an easier way. This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work. Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode. If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space. Here's the same equation with the home button on the left: If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space key between the 1 and the 4. I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone. If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 would be on the left short side a
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Yw! There actually is a way to deal with bluetooth keyboards too which has a thread on this list if you can go back and find it. Sorry that I don't have time to go back and reiterate it or repost it right now. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something > that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not > sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And > I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would > appear that there is an easier way. > > This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little > less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work. > > Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. > > Neal > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Cheryl Homiak > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out > > Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay > backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to > try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try > to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this > is what works for me for tabletop mode. > > If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn > the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn > it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to > right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 > 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left > hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going > from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three > fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get > an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to > my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the > right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 > 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left > hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l > where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me > an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille > writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by > touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of > course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space. > > Here's the same equation with the home button on the left: > If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it > away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn > it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 > with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my > lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home > button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are > then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they > are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space > key between the 1 and the 4. > > I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other > words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat > on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode > and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long > side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone. > > If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, > in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 > would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which > of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least > not for me. > > Hth. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every d
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would appear that there is an easier way. This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work. Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode. If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space. Here's the same equation with the home button on the left: If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space key between the 1 and the 4. I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone. If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least not for me. Hth. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sandy Finley wrote: Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunatel
Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille ! Sharonda Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers wrote: > > That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the > days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, > and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays > reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. > > Neal > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sandy Finley > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out > > Nicki and others, > > I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned > from others that helped me with the braille input. > > 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. > The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your > rotor follows the edit field around. > > 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table > mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. > > 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. > > Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo > characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in > unconstructed Braille. > > 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. > 5. > 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures > again. HTH > > Sandy > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Nicki and others, I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1.When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space. 5. 6. When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures again. HTH Sandy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
