RE: Pronunciation of a word
OK, but I’d still think this would make the TTS less autonomous since the screen reader has a whole API at it’s disposal instead of sending those control characters down a serial line. Theoretically, the screen reader should have an opportunity to interact much more with the TTS then it used to. I suspect this isn’t the case though, and software TTS’s are probably treated pretty much the same way by the screen reader that hardware TTS’s were. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I mean in terms of how they speak/sound, vis-a-vis the instructions from the scrteen-reader. From: chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I don’t think the synthesizers have gotten more autonomous. Remember they used to be stand alone devices that were only connected to your PC through a serial port. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word It’s the synthesizer that’s actually doing the speaking, not the screen-reader. The synths are now more human-sounding, and probably more autonomous (independent of the screen-reader) than they used to be. This has its downside, as you’re finding out. From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, th
Re: Pronunciation of a word
I mean in terms of how they speak/sound, vis-a-vis the instructions from the
scrteen-reader.
From: chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word
I don’t think the synthesizers have gotten more autonomous. Remember they
used to be stand alone devices that were only connected to your PC through a
serial port.
--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Flor
Lynch
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word
It’s the synthesizer that’s actually doing the speaking, not the
screen-reader. The synths are now more human-sounding, and probably more
autonomous (independent of the screen-reader) than they used to be. This has
its downside, as you’re finding out.
From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word
hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the
creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny,
too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet
that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first,
unfortunately.
Karen
At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote:
Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do
because it is hardwired into that voice.
So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate
that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them.
Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you
are used to.
That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized
speech.
This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers.
My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the
letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word.
One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita.
I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time.
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert
On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
wrote:
I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however.
thanks.
Karen
At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote:
I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and
language related issue,
I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover
to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that
may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Shirley Baker
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word
It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something
else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything
to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it.
Shirley
-Original Message-
From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word
I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot
even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong.
Karen
At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote:
>It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a
>word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is
>'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to
>instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word
>correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of
>mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any
>good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the
country
>from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible
>words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for
>the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess
>based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new
or
>unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also,
'artifacts'
>are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in
>natural human
RE: Pronunciation of a word
I don’t think the synthesizers have gotten more autonomous. Remember they used to be stand alone devices that were only connected to your PC through a serial port. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word It’s the synthesizer that’s actually doing the speaking, not the screen-reader. The synths are now more human-sounding, and probably more autonomous (independent of the screen-reader) than they used to be. This has its downside, as you’re finding out. From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > &g
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Ah, good. thank you much!!! Karen At 05:32 AM 6/15/2020, you wrote: Email: accessibil...@apple.com about the issue, explaining all that you have tried to do. -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-----Original Message- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried >many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the >Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, >please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, >so does anyone have any ideas here? > >TIA, >Karen > > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are
Re: Pronunciation of a word
It’s the synthesizer that’s actually doing the speaking, not the
screen-reader. The synths are now more human-sounding, and probably more
autonomous (independent of the screen-reader) than they used to be. This has
its downside, as you’re finding out.
From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word
hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the
creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny,
too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet
that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first,
unfortunately.
Karen
At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote:
Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do
because it is hardwired into that voice.
So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate
that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them.
Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you
are used to.
That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized
speech.
This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers.
My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the
letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word.
One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita.
I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time.
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
Edward Herbert
On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone
wrote:
I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however.
thanks.
Karen
At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote:
I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and
language related issue,
I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover
to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that
may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
Shirley Baker
Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word
It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something
else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything
to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it.
Shirley
-Original Message-
From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word
I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot
even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong.
Karen
At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote:
>It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a
>word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is
>'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to
>instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word
>correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of
>mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any
>good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the
country
>from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible
>words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for
>the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess
>based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new
or
>unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also,
'artifacts'
>are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in
>natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's
>voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like
the
>word you're used to.
>
>-Original Message- From: Carolyn
>Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word
>
>I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer:
>
>Peese
>
>P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese
>or peas, but it sounds like peace.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Email: accessibil...@apple.com about the issue, explaining all that you have tried to do. -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-----Original Message- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried >many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the >Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, >please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, >so does anyone have any ideas here? > >TIA, >Karen > > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "VIPhone" group. &
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Yeah I use to like those synths, I had a dec talk ext or something and a keynote synth that used rs232 port to function with master touch I think it was called, Hell that goes back a long way. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, 15 June 2020 6:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Back in the day, it was actually the external synthesizer not the software, so nothing could be done. That was also on MS-DOS, so things were a little different then. It was entertaining while not helpful, grin. Later, Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken
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However, in the case of my old hardware synth it was not possible to change it. Fortunately, my next one had way more flexibility. And, today, in the case of the Allison voice on iPhones, it will always mispronounce the word "peace" as peas no matter how you spell it in the pronunciation dictionary. And, before anyone asks, I do not remember the name of the hardware synth. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, "chalt...@gmail.com" wrote: I’m not sure this was true for all synthesizers, although I think it was possible with multiple brands, but I remember with my Accent SA, I could download a pronunciation dictionary to the synthesizer plus I could change configuration settings like expanding abbreviations. Plus for quite a while you’ve been able to change a pronunciation of a word in your screen reader which changes the word that get sent to the synthesizer. This works the same way whether your synthesizer is a software or a hardware speech synthesizer. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Back in the day, it was actually the external synthesizer not the software, so nothing could be done. That was also on MS-DOS, so things were a little different then. It was entertaining while not helpful, grin. Later, Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that wor
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I’m not sure this was true for all synthesizers, although I think it was possible with multiple brands, but I remember with my Accent SA, I could download a pronunciation dictionary to the synthesizer plus I could change configuration settings like expanding abbreviations. Plus for quite a while you’ve been able to change a pronunciation of a word in your screen reader which changes the word that get sent to the synthesizer. This works the same way whether your synthesizer is a software or a hardware speech synthesizer. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Back in the day, it was actually the external synthesizer not the software, so nothing could be done. That was also on MS-DOS, so things were a little different then. It was entertaining while not helpful, grin. Later, Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, ad
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Back in the day, it was actually the external synthesizer not the software, so nothing could be done. That was also on MS-DOS, so things were a little different then. It was entertaining while not helpful, grin. Later, Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 10:03 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-Original Message- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@google
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hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-Original Message- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-----Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "
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Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-Original Message- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried >many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the >Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, >please give me peace,"
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I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-Original Message----- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried >many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the >Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, >please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, >so does anyone have any ideas here? > >TIA, >Karen > > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "VIPhone" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >To view this discussion on the web visit >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.e b5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40g
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It is unfortunate. I'd prefer if it were possible to correct the pronunciation in the voice's dictionary rather than just generally by VoiceOver (or the screen-reader in Windows, etc.) -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is 'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the word you're used to. -Original Message- From: Carolyn Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: Peese P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese or peas, but it sounds like peace. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come out the same way? Try peess? -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/154FDB5DB24348FD90AA40505E3A61CC%4014L5494. -- The follo
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I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried >many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the >Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, >please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, >so does anyone have any ideas here? > >TIA, >Karen > > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "VIPhone" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >To view this discussion on the web visit >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the
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It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the >country from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all >possible words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were >recorded for the particular voice. So the computer program gives its >best guess based on algorithms across and between the speech >samples, how a new or unrecorded word should be spoken by that >voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' are introduced into the speech which >don't or never would occur in natural human speech: and when a word >is misspoken by the computer's voice, you have to go to considerable >lengths to make it sound like the word you're used to. > >-Original Message----- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like >cheese or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-Original Message- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-Original Message- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > >TIA, >Karen > > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >list itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "VIPhone" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >To view this discussion on the web visit >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >list itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached >at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach >Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >The archives for this list can be searched
Re: Pronunciation of a word
I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is 'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the word you're used to. -Original Message- From: Carolyn Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: Peese P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese or peas, but it sounds like peace. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come out the same way? Try peess? -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/154FDB5DB24348FD90AA40505E3A61CC%4014L5494. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is 'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the word you're used to. -Original Message- From: Carolyn Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: Peese P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese or peas, but it sounds like peace. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come out the same way? Try peess? -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/154FDB5DB24348FD90AA40505E3A61CC%4014L5494. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.c
RE: Pronunciation of a word
I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: Peese P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese or peas, but it sounds like peace. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come out the same way? Try peess? -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/154FDB5DB24348FD90AA40505E3A61CC%4014L5494. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/025001d6418d%245a8a3710%240f9ea530%24%40windstream.net.
RE: Pronunciation of a word
I, personally prefer the original voice, Samantha and the original Siri voice. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Bentley Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 5:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word hi, I think I like the original voice better. But it's good to know other voices are available. Thanks, James Bentley Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Gary Ketler wrote: > > Go to accessability voiceover speech settings. > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:37 AM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Thanks for your remarks. >> >> How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. >> >> James B >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Priscilla Garces (prisci) >> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word >> >> Hi, >> It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am >> using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as >> June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. >> The word her is pronounced as er. >> in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation >> purposes. >> I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hi Karen, >>> >>> Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. >>> >>> Tranquility be with you, >>> >>> James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via >>> VIPhone >>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Pronunciation of a word >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >>> When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >>> "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >>> in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >>> tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >>> using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >>> hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >>> scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? >>> >>> TIA, >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached >>> at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach >>> Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached >>> at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach >>> Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message b
Re: Pronunciation of a word
How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come out the same way? Try peess? -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/154FDB5DB24348FD90AA40505E3A61CC%4014L5494.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
hi, I'm using the default vo voice. I'm using the Mail Siri voice. I do not know the names of either Voice, but they both sound good to me. James Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > I'm glad I'm still on 12.41. I don't like the Alison voice. I have > deleted it from my Iphone. I think she sounds boring. I'm currently > using Lee as my voice over voice. > >> On 6/13/20, James Bentley wrote: >> hi, >> I think I like the original voice better. >> But it's good to know other voices are available. >> Thanks, >> James Bentley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Gary Ketler wrote: >>> >>> Go to accessability voiceover speech settings. >>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:37 AM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for your remarks. >>>> >>>> How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. >>>> >>>> James B >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Priscilla Garces (prisci) >>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am >>>> using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing >>>> as June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as >>>> honore. The word her is pronounced as er. >>>> in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of >>>> pronunciation purposes. >>>> I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Karen, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps >>>>> any. >>>>> >>>>> Tranquility be with you, >>>>> >>>>> James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Pronunciation of a word >>>>> >>>>> Hi, all, >>>>> I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >>>>> When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >>>>> "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >>>>> in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >>>>> tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >>>>> using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >>>>> hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >>>>> scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? >>>>> >>>>> TIA, >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>
Re: Pronunciation of a word
I'm glad I'm still on 12.41. I don't like the Alison voice. I have deleted it from my Iphone. I think she sounds boring. I'm currently using Lee as my voice over voice. On 6/13/20, James Bentley wrote: > hi, > I think I like the original voice better. > But it's good to know other voices are available. > Thanks, > James Bentley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Gary Ketler wrote: >> >> Go to accessability voiceover speech settings. >> >>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:37 AM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for your remarks. >>> >>> How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. >>> >>> James B >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Priscilla Garces (prisci) >>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word >>> >>> Hi, >>> It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am >>> using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing >>> as June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as >>> honore. The word her is pronounced as er. >>> in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of >>> pronunciation purposes. >>> I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Karen, >>>> >>>> Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps >>>> any. >>>> >>>> Tranquility be with you, >>>> >>>> James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Pronunciation of a word >>>> >>>> Hi, all, >>>> I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >>>> When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >>>> "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >>>> in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >>>> tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >>>> using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >>>> hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >>>> scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >&
Re: Pronunciation of a word
hi, I think I like the original voice better. But it's good to know other voices are available. Thanks, James Bentley Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Gary Ketler wrote: > > Go to accessability voiceover speech settings. > >> On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:37 AM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Thanks for your remarks. >> >> How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. >> >> James B >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Priscilla Garces (prisci) >> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word >> >> Hi, >> It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am >> using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as >> June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. >> The word her is pronounced as er. >> in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation >> purposes. >> I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hi Karen, >>> >>> Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. >>> >>> Tranquility be with you, >>> >>> James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >>> >>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Pronunciation of a word >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >>> When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >>> "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >>> in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >>> tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >>> using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >>> hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >>> scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? >>> >>> TIA, >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit &
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Go to accessability voiceover speech settings. > On Jun 13, 2020, at 1:37 AM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thanks for your remarks. > > How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. > > James B > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Priscilla Garces (prisci) > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > > Hi, > It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am using > it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as June > 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. The > word her is pronounced as er. > in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation > purposes. > I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Karen, >> >> Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. >> >> Tranquility be with you, >> >> James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >> >> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Pronunciation of a word >> >> Hi, all, >> I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >> When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >> "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation >> in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have >> tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm >> using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I >> hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a >> scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? >> >> TIA, >> Karen >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00bd01d64137%2400d73980%240285ac80%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > cara
RE: Pronunciation of a word
Thanks for your remarks. How do I get voice over to use the Alex voice. I want to try that. James B -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Priscilla Garces (prisci) Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Hi, It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. The word her is pronounced as er. in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation purposes. I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. > > Tranquility be with you, > > James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone > > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. > When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced > "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation > in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have > tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm > using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I > hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a > scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00bd01d64137%2400d73980%240285ac80%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EFF59F72-BBA5-4238-853E-CE1319B53099%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Just Wonderin: Does VoiceOver's TTS, Alex pronounce any "Words" incorrectly (For those, who primarily use the Apple TTS Alex)? At 09:28 PM 6/12/2020, you wrote: Hi, It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. The word her is pronounced as er. in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation purposes. I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. > > Tranquility be with you, > > James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. > When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced > "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation > in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have > tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm > using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I > hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a > scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00bd01d64137%2400d73980%240285ac80%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EFF59F72-BBA5-4238-853E-CE1319B53099%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message b
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Guess I'll go to my death kicking and screaming against such a thing. :) Karen At 06:38 PM 6/12/2020, you wrote: I have trained myself, not without some considerable effort to accept Karen's mispronunciations, when she pronounces similar words correctly. For Instance, she will not say chess: it is always chis, while chest is chest, not chist: confess is confess, not confiss. comedy/comic: she insists on pronouncing as if it were spelled with an a r, not an o m. We are but pawns: a piece that is to be found in the game of chiss, who must accept what is dealt unto us by a dumb robot!!! Jewel From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:58 AM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Allison speaks any word similar to peace as peas, no matter what you do. The US English Siri pronounces those words correctly. Others do as well I'm sure. So, if you stick with Allison there is nothing you can do. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 12, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Barbara Stahl wrote: Have you tried spelling the word peace like piece as in a piece of cake? You would do this in the pronunciation section in voiceover settings. Maybe that would work. On Jun 12, 2020, at 5:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%2540gmr-mx.google.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=EAnfAIDR30adtMOSHX4GhAGClDqKeLIpx8s%2FHqR3JOU%3D&reserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Hi, It could be that the Alison boys pronounces her words differently. I am using it right now and it sure does this because instead of pronouncing as June 18th it says June teenth. It also pronounce the word honor as honore. The word her is pronounced as er. in this case I think the voice you select matters in terms of pronunciation purposes. I prefer to use the Alex voice because it is very clear. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:59 PM, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. > > Tranquility be with you, > > James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone > > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. > When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced > "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation > in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have > tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm > using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I > hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a > scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00bd01d64137%2400d73980%240285ac80%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/EFF59F72-BBA5-4238-853E-CE1319B53099%40gmail.com.
RE: Pronunciation of a word
Hi Karen, Maybe check to see if spelling the word "peace" like this, "pese" helps any. Tranquility be with you, James B -Original Message- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Pronunciation of a word Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00bd01d64137%2400d73980%240285ac80%24%40gmail.com.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Hi,
I just correct them in the
dictionary for now but it would be nice to see them fixed and as
evidenced by other posters switching voices brings different
pronunciation oddities.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Take good care.
Robin
On 6/12/2020 10:19 PM, Lielle Ben simon
ליאל בן סימונ wrote:
Hi Roben, it's happends to me with Samantha only, i uses Alison
voice, she hasn't the problem. May be use in an other voice untill
it will manage? i just suggest to you.
הודעה מקורית
מאת: Robin Frost
אל: viphone@googlegroups.com ,viphone@googlegroups.com
תאריך: 06/13/2020 04:03 לפנה״צ
נושא: Re: Pronunciation of a word
Hi,
Arriving to the party a bit late but let's not forget
yesterday which has become yester tay even the word dictate
isn't quite right these days and my personal lavorite or
least favorite depending on one's perspective township with
the Samantha voice is now town sip. Though the weather in my
town often makes me want to take a sip of something I do not
appreciate having to correct these common words in the
pronunciation dictionary just to get them to speak properly.
It is maddening especially when certain of these were not
always broken until iOS 13 for me anyway.
Perhaps if more of us report them politely and succinctly to
Apple Accessibility they might get some well earned
attention.
Take good care.
Robin
On 6/12/2020 6:13 PM, Holly wrote:
Karen:
I would also like to know how you make out. When using
voice over, when I want to clear a notification, my screen
reader pronounces the word 'clear' as Claire.
Drives me nuts too!
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Re: Re: Pronunciation of a word
Hi Roben, it's happends to me with Samantha only, i uses Alison voice, she hasn't the problem. May be use in an other voice untill it will manage? i just suggest to you. הודעה מקוריתמאת: Robin Frost אל: viphone@googlegroups.com ,viphone@googlegroups.com תאריך: 06/13/2020 04:03 לפנה״צנושא: Re: Pronunciation of a wordHi,Arriving to the party a bit late but let's not forget yesterday which has become yester tay even the word dictate isn't quite right these days and my personal lavorite or least favorite depending on one's perspective township with the Samantha voice is now town sip. Though the weather in my town often makes me want to take a sip of something I do not appreciate having to correct these common words in the pronunciation dictionary just to get them to speak properly.It is maddening especially when certain of these were not always broken until iOS 13 for me anyway.Perhaps if more of us report them politely and succinctly to Apple Accessibility they might get some well earned attention.Take good care.RobinOn 6/12/2020 6:13 PM, Holly wrote:Karen: I would also like to know how you make out. When using voice over, when I want to clear a notification, my screen reader pronounces the word 'clear' as Claire. Drives me nuts too! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BL0PR12MB23717A13535622CCA30EDBB4CB9E0%40BL0PR12MB2371.namprd12.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000f4242.2e6ab8e142e8916a%40infraware.co.kr.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
I have trained myself, not without some considerable effort to accept Karen's mispronunciations, when she pronounces similar words correctly. For Instance, she will not say chess: it is always chis, while chest is chest, not chist: confess is confess, not confiss. comedy/comic: she insists on pronouncing as if it were spelled with an a r, not an o m. We are but pawns: a piece that is to be found in the game of chiss, who must accept what is dealt unto us by a dumb robot!!! Jewel From: Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word Allison speaks any word similar to peace as peas, no matter what you do. The US English Siri pronounces those words correctly. Others do as well I'm sure. So, if you stick with Allison there is nothing you can do. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 12, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Barbara Stahl wrote: Have you tried spelling the word peace like piece as in a piece of cake? You would do this in the pronunciation section in voiceover settings. Maybe that would work. On Jun 12, 2020, at 5:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%2540gmr-mx.google.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=EAnfAIDR30adtMOSHX4GhAGClDqKeLIpx8s%2FHqR3JOU%3D&reserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F3619E1BD-8290-459D-B52B-30457D475932%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Dictate was the other word I noticed she says funny.That was the word I couldn't think of. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Robin Frost wrote: > > > Hi, > > Arriving to the party a bit late but let's not forget yesterday which has > become yester tay even the word dictate isn't quite right these days and my > personal lavorite or least favorite depending on one's perspective township > with the Samantha voice is now town sip. Though the weather in my town often > makes me want to take a sip of something I do not appreciate having to > correct these common words in the pronunciation dictionary just to get them > to speak properly. > > It is maddening especially when certain of these were not always broken until > iOS 13 for me anyway. > > Perhaps if more of us report them politely and succinctly to Apple > Accessibility they might get some well earned attention. > > > > Take good care. > > Robin > > > >> On 6/12/2020 6:13 PM, Holly wrote: >> Karen: >> >> I would also like to know how you make out. When using voice over, when I >> want to clear a notification, my screen reader pronounces the word 'clear' >> as Claire. >> >> >> Drives me nuts too! > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BL0PR12MB23717A13535622CCA30EDBB4CB9E0%40BL0PR12MB2371.namprd12.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/488AE86D-2F86-4AD2-9EBF-2C67CDB51BE9%40comcast.net.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Hi, Arriving to the party a bit late but let's not forget yesterday which has become yester tay even the word dictate isn't quite right these days and my personal lavorite or least favorite depending on one's perspective township with the Samantha voice is now town sip. Though the weather in my town often makes me want to take a sip of something I do not appreciate having to correct these common words in the pronunciation dictionary just to get them to speak properly. It is maddening especially when certain of these were not always broken until iOS 13 for me anyway. Perhaps if more of us report them politely and succinctly to Apple Accessibility they might get some well earned attention. Take good care. Robin On 6/12/2020 6:13 PM, Holly wrote: Karen: I would also like to know how you make out. When using voice over, when I want to clear a notification, my screen reader pronounces the word 'clear' as Claire. Drives me nuts too! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BL0PR12MB23717A13535622CCA30EDBB4CB9E0%40BL0PR12MB2371.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.
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Well, peace has been peas forever. Ugh! Karen At 04:52 PM 6/12/2020, you wrote: I've noticed the word clear being mispronounced for a good while and there's another one but I can't remember right now which one it is. I don't know why they need to mess with the word pronounciations when they were okay to begin with until they screwed up the word yesterday and that's what started it all. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: > > Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6F04AB21-6A04-4B3F-B44E-BEB607F9E133%40comcast.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee41770.1c69fb81.630e5.6fc5SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Gotta wonder if the guys putting them together had a deficit. Karen At 03:13 PM 6/12/2020, you wrote: Karen: I would also like to know how you make out. When using voice over, when I want to clear a notification, my screen reader pronounces the word 'clear' as Claire. Drives me nuts too! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/9BB93747E98B4D528A3DB3169CA36F5E%40HollyPC. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee41744.1c69fb81.b7387.71a6SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com.
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I've noticed the word clear being mispronounced for a good while and there's another one but I can't remember right now which one it is. I don't know why they need to mess with the word pronounciations when they were okay to begin with until they screwed up the word yesterday and that's what started it all. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear > the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it > doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in > Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always > gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just > drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to > give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6F04AB21-6A04-4B3F-B44E-BEB607F9E133%40comcast.net.
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Allison speaks any word similar to peace as peas, no matter what you do. The US English Siri pronounces those words correctly. Others do as well I'm sure. So, if you stick with Allison there is nothing you can do. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 12, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Barbara Stahl wrote: Have you tried spelling the word peace like piece as in a piece of cake? You would do this in the pronunciation section in voiceover settings. Maybe that would work. On Jun 12, 2020, at 5:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone wrote: Hi, all, I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? TIA, Karen -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%2540gmr-mx.google.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=EAnfAIDR30adtMOSHX4GhAGClDqKeLIpx8s%2FHqR3JOU%3D&reserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285281645&sdata=Z88tRhWFeV%2Bp6gs95iKrzpCzj0kKykVVEJgvuBxO7io%3D&reserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F3619E1BD-8290-459D-B52B-30457D475932%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc8258d6e87f54f2f4dd908d80f1de148%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637275968285286638&sdata=dB7XEpe335YSOwpuWjmZ%2B32l6i2nOs%2FigGjYR6gkYok%3D&reserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegro
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Have you tried spelling the word peace like piece as in a piece of cake? You would do this in the pronunciation section in voiceover settings. Maybe that would work. > On Jun 12, 2020, at 5:36 PM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Hi, all, > I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. When I hear > the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced "peas." Now, it > doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in the correct place in > Settings. No matter what I do, and I have tried many, many things, it always > gives me the same outcome. I'm using the Alison voice if that matters. Just > drives me nuts. When I hear "Lord, please give me peace," I don't want him to > give me a scoop of veggies, so does anyone have any ideas here? > > TIA, > Karen > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/5ee3f556.1c69fb81.e9b36.eb5dSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/3619E1BD-8290-459D-B52B-30457D475932%40gmail.com.
Re: Pronunciation of a word
Karen: I would also like to know how you make out. When using voice over, when I want to clear a notification, my screen reader pronounces the word 'clear' as Claire. Drives me nuts too! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/9BB93747E98B4D528A3DB3169CA36F5E%40HollyPC.
