RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Sorry Charles and Christopher.  Sometimes my brain does funny things like 
jumping to a conclusion when I hear Charlton and think Charles, which is kind 
of silly when you stop and think about it.

 

O well.  The end result is the same,  it means I messed up but still know that 
I won’t be testing screen recognition where it isn’t needed …

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 11:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

It wasn’t  Charles but Christopher, and that’s me, that was spewing nonsense. 
Someone asked how screen recognition would help, and I suggested they turn it 
on while in the BARD Mobile App to see how it would work there. I did point out 
that the BARD Mobile App was accessible so screen recognition wouldn’t be 
needed. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll be smarter next time before tossing such 
a nonsensical idea out into the ether! 

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes, I do have Image description turned on.  If I have to turn that off to test 
Screen Recognition on an app that I know doesn’t need it, I won’t bother.  I 
was only checking that because Charles thought it was a good example for folks 
who have not used Screen Recognition.

Thanks,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Christopher Chaltain]

It wasn’t  Charles but Christopher, and that’s me, that was spewing nonsense. 
Someone asked how screen recognition would help, and I suggested they turn it 
on while in the BARD Mobile App to see how it would work there. I did point out 
that the BARD Mobile App was accessible so screen recognition wouldn’t be 
needed. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll be smarter next time before tossing such 
a nonsensical idea out into the ether! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Yes I know that.
But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.
So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.




Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Richard,

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it.

Alan
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.
In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.
If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sub

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you hear something like " Image, a white letter on a gray background" that 
could also mean you have "Describe Images" turned on which is different from 
screen recognition.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.
In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.
If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.
I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.
It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.
This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

HTH,


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Yes I know that.

But Charles was recommending to folks they turn on Screen Recognition in BARD 
to see how a sighted person sees the screen, which in my test, is nonsense at 
best.

So, I was responding to Charles.  No one should ever touch screen recognition 
unless they cannot access an app normally.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 7:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Richard, 

 

I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native 
form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen 
recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in 
question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on 
in an app not needing it. 

 

Alan 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto

Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Alan Lemly]

Richard, I suspect since BARD Mobile is already accessible with VoiceOver in its native form, those results you're getting are the very reason we recommend that screen recognition not be left on unless one is positive that it benefits the app in question. You can get very unreliable results with screen recognition turned on in an app not needing it. Alan Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 16, 2024, at 11:19 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something equally useless.If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use BARDMobile.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christopher ChaltainSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives you a peek into what sighted users see. --Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor Alan made me think of another point to make.Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen recognition turned off.A very nice feature.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan LemlySent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.  Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their app became very difficult to use after a recent update.I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, Arboleaf.It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to flick to the next line, etc. In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, it works great.This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not reading well but leave it off for most apps. HTH,  Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom RashSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AMTo: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed to do.   On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.f

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Well, on my 13 pro, using BARDMobile with Screen Recognition is awful.

In places it says Image, a white letter on a gray background … or something 
equally useless.

If that is what a sighted person sees, I am glad they don’t have to use 
BARDMobile.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to 

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree, but using more graphical apps doesn’t mean an app has to be less 
accessible.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.
I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.
It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.
This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

HTH,


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.



On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer 
mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

Jenn
Jennie Facer



On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis 
mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Christopher Chaltain]

Screen recognition was also useful when the new SiriusXM app was released. It 
gave access to the mini-player which wasn’t seen by VoiceOver at all. If you 
want to see what it looks like, and how it might be useful, turn it on while 
using the BARD Mobile App, if you have it. It isn’t necessary to use the BARD 
Mobile App but screen recognition give it a very different interface and gives 
you a peek into what sighted users see.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 9:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Alan made me think of another point to make.
Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.
I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.
A very nice feature.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.
I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.
It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.
This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

HTH,


Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.


On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer 
mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

Jenn
Jennie Facer


On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis 
mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

Alan made me think of another point to make.

Since my Arboleaf app now works so well, in the VoiceOver Recognition settings, 
under Screen Recognition, there is a place to select apps for which you want 
screen recognition to turn on automatically when you open that app.

I added Arboleaf to that list, so this morning, when I launched Arboleaf, 
screen recognition turned on automatically.  When I exited the app, screen 
recognition turned off.

A very nice feature.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 7:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your 
rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, 
developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing 
an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of 
anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see 
if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing 
this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. 

 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Rash
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AM
To: viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.  






On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 






On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Alan Lemly]

Just to echo Richard's point, screen recognition should definitely be in your rotor because apps are being updated continuously and in my experience, developers are using more graphical objects in their apps. If you're noticing an app that used to work and now VoiceOver doesn't seem to be speaking much of anything, try using the rotor to turn on screen recognition for that app to see if you get different results. I seldom leave it turned on for an app when doing this but I expect you'll develop a routine that works best for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 16, 2024, at 10:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their app became very difficult to use after a recent update.I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, Arboleaf.It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to flick to the next line, etc. In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, it works great.This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not reading well but leave it off for most apps. HTH,  Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom RashSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AMTo: viphone Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed to do.  On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions would help. JennJennie Facer On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis <dlehn...@gmail.com> wrote: Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any assistance.Dave Lehnis..-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/16ABB3A5-A3CD-4E10-B194-941104A84EF4%40gmail.com.  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A4325DB0-0916-40FC-A9AF-30637F56A98E%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searc

Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Michael Irons]

Are use the screen recognition some. I think having it in the rotor is definitely a good idea on some apps screen recognition makes it a little more usable. One example is the app known as the weather channel. I’ve been able to turn screen recognition on and have it read things in The Weather Channel app then otherwise I’d not be able to read. so, it is definitely a good idea to have screen recognition in the router and have it turned off. That’s the time I just turn it on when you need it. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 16, 2024, at 9:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their app became very difficult to use after a recent update.I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, Arboleaf.It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to flick to the next line, etc. In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, it works great.This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not reading well but leave it off for most apps. HTH,  Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom RashSent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 4:47 AMTo: viphone Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed to do.  On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions would help. JennJennie Facer On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis <dlehn...@gmail.com> wrote: Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any assistance.Dave Lehnis..-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/16ABB3A5-A3CD-4E10-B194-941104A84EF4%40gmail.com.  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A4325DB0-0916-40FC-A9AF-30637F56A98E%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com

RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

I have a scale that I weigh myself on that is Wi-Fi made by Arboleaf.  Their 
app became very difficult to use after a recent update.

I decided to try Screen Recognition in their app; which has the same name, 
Arboleaf.

It works perfectly with screen recognition, in fact, it reads much better.  The 
information it gathers like your BMI reads on one line now instead of having to 
flick to the next line, etc.

 

In many cases, turning it on makes an app next to useless, but when it works, 
it works great.

This is why one should put it in their rotor and try it on apps that are not 
reading well but leave it off for most apps.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.  





On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 





On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis mailto:dlehn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed 
here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any 
assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Tom Rash]

I keep hearing that screen recognition is good for some things.  Can someone 
give an example where it does some good?  I’d like to learn what it is supposed 
to do.  

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
> able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
> If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
> would help.
> 
> Jenn
> Jennie Facer
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis  wrote:
>> 
>> Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
>> turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
>> suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has 
>> addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. 
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> Dave Lehnis..
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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Dave Lehnis]

Thank you for your assistance. I think everything is in good shape now thanks to the people on the list.Dave.On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:You do have to add Screen Recognition to the rotor.Open Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor, Rotor actions.Anything that says selected in their will be on the rotor, if VoiceOver doesn’t say selected, double tap and it will then say selected and show up in the rotor. I do not think you have to first turn on screen recognition for it to show up in that Rotor Actions list. Let me know if that works, or doesn’t.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave LehnisSent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 8:37 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I twisted. What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under voiceover, I cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for the help. Dave.On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:Hello, Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions would help. JennJennie Facer On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis <dlehn...@gmail.com> wrote: Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. Thanks for any assistance.Dave Lehnis..-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/16ABB3A5-A3CD-4E10-B194-941104A84EF4%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/A4325DB0-0916-40FC-A9AF-30637F56A98E%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/413043EE-B738-4DA9-8438-DF8290EACD9D%40gmail.com.



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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Carolyn Arnold]

I did find it in Rotor Items, thanks. 

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Under Voiceover in settings, there is a rotor button. Double tap on this 
button, then double tap on the rotor items button right after that. Screen 
recognition should be in there.

Hope this helps,

Jenn

Jennie Facer 


On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:37 AM, Dave Lehnis  wrote:

Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I 
twisted. What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under 
voiceover, I cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further 
suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for the help.

Dave.


On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer 
 wrote:




Hello,

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, 
you should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle 
it on or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor 
suggestions would help.

Jenn

Jennie Facer 


On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis 
 wrote:

Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, 
I cannot find how to turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to 
edit it. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition 
has addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. 
Thanks for any assistance.

Dave Lehnis..

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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Carolyn Arnold]

I did not find Screen Recognition in Rotor. 

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You do have to add Screen Recognition to the rotor.

Open Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor, Rotor actions.

Anything that says selected in their will be on the rotor, if VoiceOver doesn’t 
say selected, double tap and it will then say selected and show up in the rotor.

 

I do not think you have to first turn on screen recognition for it to show up 
in that Rotor Actions list.

 

Let me know if that works, or doesn’t.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com> 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Lehnis
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I twisted. 
What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under voiceover, I 
cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further suggestions will be 
appreciated. Thanks for the help.

 

Dave.





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Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you 
should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on 
or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor 
suggestions would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 





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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Dave Lehnis]

Thank you very much. This was helpful. I was skipping over the voice recognition part.DaveOn Jun 15, 2024, at 8:53 AM, Mike B.  wrote:






Hi Dave,
 
Are you saying you can't find 
the rotor, or that you can't find Screen Recognition, on the rotor?  Here's 
how to turn off Screen Recognition, 
Open settings, swipe to 
accessibility & double tap, double tap on voiceover, swipe to voice 
recognition &  double tap, swipe to screen recognition & 
double tap to turn on or 
off. 
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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Mike B.]

Hi Dave,

Are you saying you can't find the rotor, or that you can't find Screen 
Recognition, on the rotor?  Here's how to turn off Screen Recognition,
Open settings, swipe to accessibility & double tap, double tap on voiceover, 
swipe to voice recognition &  double tap, swipe to screen recognition & 
double tap to turn on or off.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how to 
turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Jennie Facer]

Under Voiceover in settings, there is a rotor button. Double tap on this 
button, then double tap on the rotor items button right after that. Screen 
recognition should be in there.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jennie Facer

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:37 AM, Dave Lehnis  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I 
> twisted. What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under 
> voiceover, I cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further 
> suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for the help.
> 
> Dave.
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
>> able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or 
>> off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor 
>> suggestions would help.
>> 
>> Jenn
>> Jennie Facer
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis  wrote:
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>>> Sometimes I think I’m going crazy, but for some reason, I cannot find how 
>>> to turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
>>> suggestions will be much appreciated. I know screen recognition has 
>>> addressed here before, but I am not remembering exactly what was said. 
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>> 
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RE: Screen recognition and editing rotor

[Richard Turner]

You do have to add Screen Recognition to the rotor.

Open Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor, Rotor actions.

Anything that says selected in their will be on the rotor, if VoiceOver doesn’t 
say selected, double tap and it will then say selected and show up in the rotor.

 

I do not think you have to first turn on screen recognition for it to show up 
in that Rotor Actions list.

 

Let me know if that works, or doesn’t.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 8:37 AM
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Subject: Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

 

Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I twisted. 
What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under voiceover, I 
cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further suggestions will be 
appreciated. Thanks for the help.

 

Dave.





On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello,

 

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

 

Jenn

Jennie Facer 





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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

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Thank you for that. I do not find screen recognition in my rotor as I twisted. What I am hoping to do is find out how to edit my rotor. But under voiceover, I cannot find the rotor and the ways to edit it. Any further suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks for the help.Dave.On Jun 15, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:Hello,Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions would help.Jenn
Jennie Facer


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Re: Screen recognition and editing rotor

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Hello,

Screen recognition should be in your rotor, so when you twist, you should be 
able to find it. Swiping up or down with 1 finger should toggle it on or off. 
If you don’t use it at all, then maybe taking it from your rotor suggestions 
would help.

Jenn
Jennie Facer

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 9:17 AM, Dave Lehnis  wrote:
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> turn off screen recognition and I can’t find the rotor to edit it. Any 
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