Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
Yeah, that was Zenith, who was acquired by LG due to shrinking market share. Ford also used the slogan Quality if Job 1. I bet Ford still got their new cars out every model year though, and of course, Ford has had more than it's share of quality problems over the years. It's called marketing. Apple may add an increase on quality to their marketing, and they may even take some action to improve their quality, but they won't do this by slipping dates. They'll do this by adding resources to testing and fixing bugs. They may even reduce the number of features in order to put more development resources on fixing bugs. They won't slip dates though. There's just too much cost involved in rearranging all of the logistics in getting millions of iPhones out to the retail stores, their partners and available on line. There's also the hit to their reputation as a company that can't deliver and the impact on their market share by not having a new product in the market. Has Apple lost more market share over these perceived quality issues than they would have if the iPhone 6 was still sitting in some warehouses waiting for IOS 8 bugs to be resolved? I can assure you Apple has some pretty smart people considering all of these alternatives. On 11/09/2014 10:48 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I don't remember what company used the slogan in their commercials, but The quality goes in before the name goes on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:42 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Obviously, you have to pay attention to quality, but this is only one factor that goes into a business decision. Unless you're writing Hello World! you're application, system or device will have a bug in it. How many bugs are OK before you put your release date at risk? Shipping something late negatively impacts customer satisfaction and can also negatively affect your partners and the rest of the ecosystem. Constantly missing your dates also establishes a bad reputation. Is IOS 8.1 good enough now or should Apple have continued to wait to start selling the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6S? Should they keep waiting and miss Black Friday and the holiday revenue? Like I said, I'm not saying quality doesn't count, it definitely does, but you're also ignoring all of the other factors that go into such a decision. You're also not taking into account that when something is good enough is a fuzzy grey line. Furthermore, even if you put out a perfect product with only one or two bugs, the people who hit those bugs will complain about it. Do all of Apple's customers think IOS 8.1 is an unmitigated disaster or just a subset of blind users? If Apple has to trade off some dissatisfaction among some blind users with postponing the availability of a new line of iPhones what do you think Apple would do? Would they be wrong? On 11/09/2014 05:21 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you market stuff that doesn't work all that well, it'll kill a good reputation and give birth to a bad one that might not be easily reversed. If you put out something based on the date rather than the readiness, a lot of people will remember what you did. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 It isn't just a matter of testing and focus groups. Apple and Microsoft have plenty of both. People are resistant to change, and even when something is good, people will need time to adjust, and you'll have a lot of gnashing of teeth in the meantime. Windows Seven was embraced because Windows Vista paved the way. Apple researched their newer flatter interface before releasing it in IOS 7, and it was still resoundingly panned in the press. I don't hear anyone complaining about it now though. How much of the criticism do you hear in the press and the blogosphere is coming from people who've actually used the products they're panning? Terms like eye candy, change for changes sake, bloatware and so on get floated out there and people latch on to them and start repeating them like parrots. I'm on various lists, and I'm constantly seeing people criticize Windows, IOS or Android and it's obvious they're basing their criticism on some erroneous or stale information they're getting second or third hand. Companies also have product schedules and need to get new technologies in the market. Apple could have postponed the release of the iPhone 6 and continued to see their market share getting lost to other smart phone
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
I'm wondering if anyone will be creating a podcast on how to use Itunes 12 with windows? -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista,
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
Hi Neil, No, there is no shortcut key for that from what I can tell. I just always go to the search field with Control+f and then tab the 4 or 5 times to get to the button for my device or, if you have more than one, devices. I guess how often you have to tab depends on how many things you put on the main screen. Theoretically you could probably disable all the items like Music, Movies and so on and just have More on the main screen and you would only have to tap 2 or 3 times from the search field to get to your phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Sieghard. You're right about the shortcut keys being, for me at least, as good as the sidebar. But here is a question you or someone might be able to help with. Is there a shortcut key to the My iPhone button? I raised this with Apple disability the other day in the hopes that they would pass this request along. Or, am I missing something and perhaps there is a way to quickly get to the button in question? Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi Charles, I haven't used the sidebar since iTunes 11 first came out because I find it much more efficient the way it is now and especially in iTunes 12 every item which previously was in the sidebar except the device section has shortcut keys so in that respect iTunes 12 is as good as it has ever been because in iTunes 11 only some of these shortcut keys worked. In any case, when iTunes 11 was first released some people were complaining in the same way why things weren left alone and stayed like they were in iTunes 10. Anyhow, we do get your point, you said it at least 5 times *smile*: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Oh, I can think of some applications from the Windows 98 days which were great and which disappeared with Windows XP, but such is life and while things may not be broke, they still are being changed although you can't call change fixing things and as I said before, just because something which worked previously isn't working so good any more now for us blind folks, that doesn't mean sighted people don't love it and there are more of them out there than there are blind people. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
Could you setup a shortcut in keyboard commanders? Would that work? Could you create an AppleScript? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Neil, No, there is no shortcut key for that from what I can tell. I just always go to the search field with Control+f and then tab the 4 or 5 times to get to the button for my device or, if you have more than one, devices. I guess how often you have to tab depends on how many things you put on the main screen. Theoretically you could probably disable all the items like Music, Movies and so on and just have More on the main screen and you would only have to tap 2 or 3 times from the search field to get to your phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Sieghard. You're right about the shortcut keys being, for me at least, as good as the sidebar. But here is a question you or someone might be able to help with. Is there a shortcut key to the My iPhone button? I raised this with Apple disability the other day in the hopes that they would pass this request along. Or, am I missing something and perhaps there is a way to quickly get to the button in question? Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi Charles, I haven't used the sidebar since iTunes 11 first came out because I find it much more efficient the way it is now and especially in iTunes 12 every item which previously was in the sidebar except the device section has shortcut keys so in that respect iTunes 12 is as good as it has ever been because in iTunes 11 only some of these shortcut keys worked. In any case, when iTunes 11 was first released some people were complaining in the same way why things weren left alone and stayed like they were in iTunes 10. Anyhow, we do get your point, you said it at least 5 times *smile*: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Oh, I can think of some applications from the Windows 98 days which were great and which disappeared with Windows XP, but such is life and while things may not be broke, they still are being changed although you can't call change fixing things and as I said before, just because something which worked previously isn't working so good any more now for us blind folks, that doesn't mean sighted people don't love it and there are more of them out there than there are blind people. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
I am not a Mac user and can't that answer. If you are familiar with setting up such scripts then why not try it and share with the list if it works. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Could you setup a shortcut in keyboard commanders? Would that work? Could you create an AppleScript? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Neil, No, there is no shortcut key for that from what I can tell. I just always go to the search field with Control+f and then tab the 4 or 5 times to get to the button for my device or, if you have more than one, devices. I guess how often you have to tab depends on how many things you put on the main screen. Theoretically you could probably disable all the items like Music, Movies and so on and just have More on the main screen and you would only have to tap 2 or 3 times from the search field to get to your phone. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Sieghard. You're right about the shortcut keys being, for me at least, as good as the sidebar. But here is a question you or someone might be able to help with. Is there a shortcut key to the My iPhone button? I raised this with Apple disability the other day in the hopes that they would pass this request along. Or, am I missing something and perhaps there is a way to quickly get to the button in question? Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi Charles, I haven't used the sidebar since iTunes 11 first came out because I find it much more efficient the way it is now and especially in iTunes 12 every item which previously was in the sidebar except the device section has shortcut keys so in that respect iTunes 12 is as good as it has ever been because in iTunes 11 only some of these shortcut keys worked. In any case, when iTunes 11 was first released some people were complaining in the same way why things weren left alone and stayed like they were in iTunes 10. Anyhow, we do get your point, you said it at least 5 times *smile*: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Oh, I can think of some applications from the Windows 98 days which were great and which disappeared with Windows XP, but such is life and while things may not be broke, they still are being changed although you can't call change fixing things and as I said before, just because something which worked previously isn't working so good any more now for us blind folks, that doesn't mean sighted people don't love it and there are more of them out there than there are blind people. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
This is 100 percent speculation on my part, but, as Freedom Scientific has done podcasts on versions 10 and 11, they may also be doing one on 12? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I'm wondering if anyone will be creating a podcast on how to use Itunes 12 with windows? -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Yes, so many people want older equipment that the newer, much more feature-rich devices never sell. Let me take it to the personal level. I have a PACMate BX440 which I purchased in 2005. I stopped using my PACMate in 2010 when I purchased my iPhone. It still works, so would you like to buy it? If you want to be competitive in today's sighted world, you need to play the games. Otherwise, you become irrelevent. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 16:13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: How many apps are dead because the developer lost interest? How many apps are dead because the ethos of the App Store is cheap, cheap, cheap? To suppose that apps die because the developer loses interest is a huge leap of faith. How many apps get upgraded because somebody decides we need to have a new look, because everybody else is doing it, and never mind how much of a pain in the butt it is to the end-user?it seems to me that the vast number of people still using windows XP is testimony to the fact that an off a lot of people do not like change for change sake, do not see the value in learning something new if they don't get anything out of it, and it's all just for the sake of the pay as you upgrade machine, or for the twentysomethings who think we have to see something new and different because it's cool. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:29 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Actually, the game called Go (Japanese strategy game), also known as Waichi (Chinese name) is a much more strategy rich game. It has also been around for a few thousand years, and is significantly more complex than Chess. As for Operating Systems that stand the test of time, the only one which qualifies is Unix. Finally, comparing Chess with technology is like comparing fruit with rocks. I would love to see you be productive (get work accomplished) whilst / through playing Chess, or even by utilising the strategies you use to play and win Chess. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 17:49, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - *From:* David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM *Subject:* Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
I am not crazy about iTunes 12 but can use it, I would prefer to have my side bar instead of having to tab all over the place, but then some of the features of the product I have never used. It takes more time to get something done in my opinion and although it is accessible, it is not as easy as it once was to use. Maybe the eye candy is better, I don’t know but it must make a difference to sighted folks. I may not like it much but am learning how to at least check my phone status, back up etc. Those were the most important things for me and I can still use the computer and the app store which is easier for me, although I have done it on the phone as well. I don’t seem to be able access the music on my computer, but then again, if I am here working, having the music coming out of the computer speakers can get annoying and I generally use my phone and Bluetooth speakers at low volume. If it matters, I am on a Windows 7 PC that hates me to print anything. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - *From:* David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM *Subject:* Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Ah, but the iPhone can do things that the Pac Mate cannot, it is more portable, it costs less, it more often and more easily upgraded, and it works. I also have a Pac Mate, unfortunately a BX rather than a QX. I also have an iPhone 5. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:39 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Yes, so many people want older equipment that the newer, much more feature-rich devices never sell. Let me take it to the personal level. I have a PACMate BX440 which I purchased in 2005. I stopped using my PACMate in 2010 when I purchased my iPhone. It still works, so would you like to buy it? If you want to be competitive in today's sighted world, you need to play the games. Otherwise, you become irrelevent. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 16:13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: How many apps are dead because the developer lost interest? How many apps are dead because the ethos of the App Store is cheap, cheap, cheap? To suppose that apps die because the developer loses interest is a huge leap of faith. How many apps get upgraded because somebody decides we need to have a new look, because everybody else is doing it, and never mind how much of a pain in the butt it is to the end-user?it seems to me that the vast number of people still using windows XP is testimony to the fact that an off a lot of people do not like change for change sake, do not see the value in learning something new if they don't get anything out of it, and it's all just for the sake of the pay as you upgrade machine, or for the twentysomethings who think we have to see something new and different because it's cool. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:29 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
The key, though, is that iTunes 12 works pretty well, and a work in progress. Other upgraded software does not, especially Microsoft software. The question remains, why produce something that does not work and do away with what does? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi Charles, With all due respect, I don’t think you can compare Chess and iTunes *smile*. That would be saying why invent cars if a horse and buggy worked perfectly well. You can always find a comparison to support a point you want to make. The point is that Apple has changed and will continue to change iTunes and probably iOS to go along with their vision for the product and with what they feel people like. By people I mean the sighted world. While visually impaired people in my opinion still are important to Apple despite how it seems accessibility is being put on the backburner, we are a very small minority. I remember when touch screen devices first started to gain popularity a lot of blind people groaned and moaned about what was going to happen and before we knew it Apple showed us what would happen, they made touch screen devices accessible. I remember when I had MobileSpeak from Code Factory I once borrowed an LG touch screen phone which ran Windows Mobile 6.1 and I installed MobileSpeak on it which back then boasted touch screen support. I had to touch the 4 corners of the phone in different ways to simulate pressing the home button and so on and while it seemed sort of cool at first, when I compare it to my first iOS device which I got only a year or so later the attempt to make touch screen phones accessible that way was rather funny. Sort of like a little boy with a plastic hammer imitating his carpenter Dad. But back to iTunes. iTunes 12 I think is awesome except for just a couple of small things which can be done but were maybe a bit more easy to accomplish in iTunes 11. Other than than that I think it works great. I’d love to do a Podcast about iTunes 12, but let’s hope Jonathan is maybe considering it since he has done such a fantastic job with iTunes 11 and Jaws 14, maybe he’ll have an iTunes 12 with Jaws 16 follow-up; after all, this type of thing is what he does, I’m just a retailer who likes technology. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - *From:* David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM *Subject:* Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David
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As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - *From:* David Chittenden
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Are there any blind accessible Go games? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Actually, the game called Go (Japanese strategy game), also known as Waichi (Chinese name) is a much more strategy rich game. It has also been around for a few thousand years, and is significantly more complex than Chess. As for Operating Systems that stand the test of time, the only one which qualifies is Unix. Finally, comparing Chess with technology is like comparing fruit with rocks. I would love to see you be productive (get work accomplished) whilst / through playing Chess, or even by utilising the strategies you use to play and win Chess. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.commailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 17:49, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.commailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittendenmailto:dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.commailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.commailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanusmailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Unfortunately, I have never found one. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 10 Nov 2014, at 07:09, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Are there any blind accessible Go games? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Actually, the game called Go (Japanese strategy game), also known as Waichi (Chinese name) is a much more strategy rich game. It has also been around for a few thousand years, and is significantly more complex than Chess. As for Operating Systems that stand the test of time, the only one which qualifies is Unix. Finally, comparing Chess with technology is like comparing fruit with rocks. I would love to see you be productive (get work accomplished) whilst / through playing Chess, or even by utilising the strategies you use to play and win Chess. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 17:49, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Hi Charles, I haven't used the sidebar since iTunes 11 first came out because I find it much more efficient the way it is now and especially in iTunes 12 every item which previously was in the sidebar except the device section has shortcut keys so in that respect iTunes 12 is as good as it has ever been because in iTunes 11 only some of these shortcut keys worked. In any case, when iTunes 11 was first released some people were complaining in the same way why things weren left alone and stayed like they were in iTunes 10. Anyhow, we do get your point, you said it at least 5 times *smile*: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Oh, I can think of some applications from the Windows 98 days which were great and which disappeared with Windows XP, but such is life and while things may not be broke, they still are being changed although you can't call change fixing things and as I said before, just because something which worked previously isn't working so good any more now for us blind folks, that doesn't mean sighted people don't love it and there are more of them out there than there are blind people. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking,
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Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good? No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8. Now what Microsoft won with windows 8? Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor. Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs? Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the customers pays those mistakes. And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message -
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That reminds me of when the New Coke came out, and then was done away with, and the renamed Coke Classic was, and still is, sold. Research and testing could have been done, and the whole situation would have been avoided. And whatever happened to Windows 9?? They're jumping from 8 point something or other to 10. With a grin of orneriness, I'll say that I'll bet 9.0 was accessible and it worked well, so they scrapped it. In jest, of course. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good? No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8. Now what Microsoft won with windows 8? Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor. Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs? Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the customers pays those mistakes. And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like change for changes sake or dumbing down the interface are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: To remain competitive, I would stay with
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Hi Charles and Pablo, I think Microsoft and Apple should hire you guys since you appear to have deep insight in how an OS should be developed and what features it should have. The point here is that companies don't always know how people will react to a product. Yes, you can do focus groups and surveys and yet something still might be a total bust. Windows 8 was released because Microsoft is trying to gap the bridge between their desktop OS and the mobile OS they use on their phones. Windows 10 will further complete this step and yes, they realized that especially businesses like the desktop although I have a lot of sighted friends who love Windows 8 and even more like 8.1 and the approach with metro apps and tiles and so on. In the end the consumers reaction drives innovation and what things will be like. In a small way this is no different in my retail store. You think it should be easy to bring in the products that are good and which people like and will buy. Unfortunately, however, I including my staff may think a certain product is totally cool and in the end nobody buys it. This is just human nature and organizations are made up of humans so mistakes are happen and will continue to happen. If Microsoft had said Oh, Windows 7 is great, it doesn't get better than that so let's just leave it alone for the next 10 years they would be out of business. Why are their product recalls on things which have been around for decades? Cars have been around for a hundred years and sometimes there are major recalls because of some faulty part which manufacturers should know how to get right, but it still happens. That's just how things are and as the Borg would say resistance is futile *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 That reminds me of when the New Coke came out, and then was done away with, and the renamed Coke Classic was, and still is, sold. Research and testing could have been done, and the whole situation would have been avoided. And whatever happened to Windows 9?? They're jumping from 8 point something or other to 10. With a grin of orneriness, I'll say that I'll bet 9.0 was accessible and it worked well, so they scrapped it. In jest, of course. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good? No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8. Now what Microsoft won with windows 8? Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor. Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs? Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the customers pays those mistakes. And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes
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Sieghard. You're right about the shortcut keys being, for me at least, as good as the sidebar. But here is a question you or someone might be able to help with. Is there a shortcut key to the My iPhone button? I raised this with Apple disability the other day in the hopes that they would pass this request along. Or, am I missing something and perhaps there is a way to quickly get to the button in question? Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 12:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi Charles, I haven't used the sidebar since iTunes 11 first came out because I find it much more efficient the way it is now and especially in iTunes 12 every item which previously was in the sidebar except the device section has shortcut keys so in that respect iTunes 12 is as good as it has ever been because in iTunes 11 only some of these shortcut keys worked. In any case, when iTunes 11 was first released some people were complaining in the same way why things weren left alone and stayed like they were in iTunes 10. Anyhow, we do get your point, you said it at least 5 times *smile*: If it ain't broke don't fix it. Oh, I can think of some applications from the Windows 98 days which were great and which disappeared with Windows XP, but such is life and while things may not be broke, they still are being changed although you can't call change fixing things and as I said before, just because something which worked previously isn't working so good any more now for us blind folks, that doesn't mean sighted people don't love it and there are more of them out there than there are blind people. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 10:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have
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Based on the size of the field of testers, especially when the software goes out to the public for testing, shouldn't these problems be corrected before the final product is released for sale? I know that this is the case when it comes to computer games for the blind. The initial beta testers are selected based on their communications and computer skills and the machines they are using. The majority of bugs are caught and corrected. If there is another phase of testing, done by the public, more bugs are reported and worked on. When the final product is sold, it has met the satisfaction of the developer. Wouldn't the same procedure work elsewhere? As far as what the public wants, I have heard a lot of complaints from sighted people as well as from blind people about the performance of Microsoft operating systems, in particular, the ribbon menus and 8.1 features, which is why 10.0 is coming out. But based on their past performance of new operating systems, and their reputation based on that performance, I certainly won't be first on the block to get it and install it on any machine. On the other hand, Apple operating system upgrades haven't broken the bank, and, after a while, they are made to work. That's why they have the reputation they have. 8.0 is a fluke that was caused, in my opinion, by Apple's commitment to a deadline rather than on quality before release, which is an unfortunate mistake. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Hi Charles and Pablo, I think Microsoft and Apple should hire you guys since you appear to have deep insight in how an OS should be developed and what features it should have. The point here is that companies don't always know how people will react to a product. Yes, you can do focus groups and surveys and yet something still might be a total bust. Windows 8 was released because Microsoft is trying to gap the bridge between their desktop OS and the mobile OS they use on their phones. Windows 10 will further complete this step and yes, they realized that especially businesses like the desktop although I have a lot of sighted friends who love Windows 8 and even more like 8.1 and the approach with metro apps and tiles and so on. In the end the consumers reaction drives innovation and what things will be like. In a small way this is no different in my retail store. You think it should be easy to bring in the products that are good and which people like and will buy. Unfortunately, however, I including my staff may think a certain product is totally cool and in the end nobody buys it. This is just human nature and organizations are made up of humans so mistakes are happen and will continue to happen. If Microsoft had said Oh, Windows 7 is great, it doesn't get better than that so let's just leave it alone for the next 10 years they would be out of business. Why are their product recalls on things which have been around for decades? Cars have been around for a hundred years and sometimes there are major recalls because of some faulty part which manufacturers should know how to get right, but it still happens. That's just how things are and as the Borg would say resistance is futile *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 That reminds me of when the New Coke came out, and then was done away with, and the renamed Coke Classic was, and still is, sold. Research and testing could have been done, and the whole situation would have been avoided. And whatever happened to Windows 9?? They're jumping from 8 point something or other to 10. With a grin of orneriness, I'll say that I'll bet 9.0 was accessible and it worked well, so they scrapped it. In jest, of course. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those
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And let's not forget the primary driver behind change, it requires us to update hardware and/or software and spend more money. Alan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Yes, the changes Microsoft made in Windows 8 are good, necessary and made customers more efficient. Windows 8 was necessary for Microsoft to start selling their tablets. It also allowed the development of the convertible form factor which is a big advancement for people who want to seamlessly move from a tablet to a desktop. Microsoft knows that to be successful in the future, they need to have a presence in the mobile space. Their strategy is to have a common operating system that runs on their smart phones, their tablets, their laptops and their desktops. This will help customers who can use their same device as a smart phone when on the go or a desktop system when they get to their home or office. It'll also result in huge savings for Microsoft as they will only have to support one operating system and kernel instead of multiple source code streams. A lot is made about the name of Microsoft's next operating system. They could call it Windows 8.2, Windows 9 or Windows 10. It's all just marketing, and as with Vista versus Seven, just a way to get people comfortable with the changes and the new operating system. I wonder how many people who trash Windows 8 ever actually used it. It's pretty trivial to make the desktop have the same look and feel as Windows 7 if you want. It also supports the touch screen and the tablet form factor. My wife, who's sighted, finds touching the screen when she wants to activate something easier and more intuitive then using the mouse, at least for some activities. It's not perfect, but I think it's a step in the right direction, and I for one, hope Microsoft and Canonical are successful in coming up with a user interface that stretches from the smart phone to the desktop. On 11/09/2014 01:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good? No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8. Now what Microsoft won with windows 8? Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor. Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs? Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the customers pays those mistakes. And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
I don't think Microsoft ever got rid of Outlook Express. They just renamed it to Windows Mail and then Windows Live Mail. The progression from Outlook Express through Windows Mail and then onto Windows Live Mail has been pretty incremental, and now you have a free email client with a lot more features than you had in Outlook Express. Actually a good example of why change is good and how you get more for your money over tiem. Microsoft had to solve a real problem with standard menus. How do you get as many options on the screen and within as few mouse clicks as possible while taking as little real estate away from the application as possible. Ribbons was their solution. I'm not sure if it was the right solution or not, but I don't hear too many sighted people complaining about them any more, and I never had too much trouble with them myself. Canonical, with Unity, is trying to solve the exact same problem with their heads up display. You may not like ribbons, but they definitely weren't a change just for the sake of change. On 11/09/2014 12:22 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I do like iTunes 12, now that I can find out what's new in apps I am about to upgrade. Although I do wish that the side bar be returned, I can live without it. My complaints about unnecessary changes, though, deal with issues such as doing away with pull-down menus and replacing them with ribbon menus, and doing away with perfectly good Email clients such as Outlook Express, as well as changing the way that sounds are handled by an operating system that make programs that you pay good money for, or even free ones, no longer work. Games that blind gamers bought, that work very well with XP no longer work with higher operating systems due to the sound processing changes that were unnecessarily made. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it to the point of being broken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 As a matter of fact, many of my sighted friends much prefer iTunes 12 over iTunes 11. So, to say it does not work as well is not to consider the number of people who like it better. And, in addition, as some have pointed out, it works quite well. It's just different. One thing you can be sure of. Change happens. I think people's arguments would be more soundly based were iTunes 12 to be inaccessible to people who are blind. But, it isn't. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 True, but iTunes 12 works. So do the follow ons to Windows XP. Change doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't work or that it's unstable. In fact, sometimes change is good and things actually improve over time. On 11/09/2014 07:52 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Why change from something that works and remains stable to something that doesn't and isn't? To me, to remain competitive, it must, first of all, work. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase change for changes sake is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
It isn't just a matter of testing and focus groups. Apple and Microsoft have plenty of both. People are resistant to change, and even when something is good, people will need time to adjust, and you'll have a lot of gnashing of teeth in the meantime. Windows Seven was embraced because Windows Vista paved the way. Apple researched their newer flatter interface before releasing it in IOS 7, and it was still resoundingly panned in the press. I don't hear anyone complaining about it now though. How much of the criticism do you hear in the press and the blogosphere is coming from people who've actually used the products they're panning? Terms like eye candy, change for changes sake, bloatware and so on get floated out there and people latch on to them and start repeating them like parrots. I'm on various lists, and I'm constantly seeing people criticize Windows, IOS or Android and it's obvious they're basing their criticism on some erroneous or stale information they're getting second or third hand. Companies also have product schedules and need to get new technologies in the market. Apple could have postponed the release of the iPhone 6 and continued to see their market share getting lost to other smart phone companies putting out larger devices. Microsoft could keep their converged operating system in the lab for another couple of years, but by then they may have lost the mobile space to Android or IOS. They also wouldn't get something out in the hands of the hardware manufacturers to come up with new form factors, like the different convertible options out there. On 11/09/2014 02:38 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Based on the size of the field of testers, especially when the software goes out to the public for testing, shouldn't these problems be corrected before the final product is released for sale? I know that this is the case when it comes to computer games for the blind. The initial beta testers are selected based on their communications and computer skills and the machines they are using. The majority of bugs are caught and corrected. If there is another phase of testing, done by the public, more bugs are reported and worked on. When the final product is sold, it has met the satisfaction of the developer. Wouldn't the same procedure work elsewhere? As far as what the public wants, I have heard a lot of complaints from sighted people as well as from blind people about the performance of Microsoft operating systems, in particular, the ribbon menus and 8.1 features, which is why 10.0 is coming out. But based on their past performance of new operating systems, and their reputation based on that performance, I certainly won't be first on the block to get it and install it on any machine. On the other hand, Apple operating system upgrades haven't broken the bank, and, after a while, they are made to work. That's why they have the reputation they have. 8.0 is a fluke that was caused, in my opinion, by Apple's commitment to a deadline rather than on quality before release, which is an unfortunate mistake. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Hi Charles and Pablo, I think Microsoft and Apple should hire you guys since you appear to have deep insight in how an OS should be developed and what features it should have. The point here is that companies don't always know how people will react to a product. Yes, you can do focus groups and surveys and yet something still might be a total bust. Windows 8 was released because Microsoft is trying to gap the bridge between their desktop OS and the mobile OS they use on their phones. Windows 10 will further complete this step and yes, they realized that especially businesses like the desktop although I have a lot of sighted friends who love Windows 8 and even more like 8.1 and the approach with metro apps and tiles and so on. In the end the consumers reaction drives innovation and what things will be like. In a small way this is no different in my retail store. You think it should be easy to bring in the products that are good and which people like and will buy. Unfortunately, however, I including my staff may think a certain product is totally cool and in the end nobody buys it. This is just human nature and organizations are made up of humans so mistakes are happen and will continue to happen. If Microsoft had said Oh, Windows 7 is great, it doesn't get better than that so let's just leave it alone for the next 10 years they would be out of business. Why are their product recalls on things which have been around for decades? Cars have been around for a hundred years and sometimes there are major recalls because of some faulty part
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
If you market stuff that doesn't work all that well, it'll kill a good reputation and give birth to a bad one that might not be easily reversed. If you put out something based on the date rather than the readiness, a lot of people will remember what you did. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 It isn't just a matter of testing and focus groups. Apple and Microsoft have plenty of both. People are resistant to change, and even when something is good, people will need time to adjust, and you'll have a lot of gnashing of teeth in the meantime. Windows Seven was embraced because Windows Vista paved the way. Apple researched their newer flatter interface before releasing it in IOS 7, and it was still resoundingly panned in the press. I don't hear anyone complaining about it now though. How much of the criticism do you hear in the press and the blogosphere is coming from people who've actually used the products they're panning? Terms like eye candy, change for changes sake, bloatware and so on get floated out there and people latch on to them and start repeating them like parrots. I'm on various lists, and I'm constantly seeing people criticize Windows, IOS or Android and it's obvious they're basing their criticism on some erroneous or stale information they're getting second or third hand. Companies also have product schedules and need to get new technologies in the market. Apple could have postponed the release of the iPhone 6 and continued to see their market share getting lost to other smart phone companies putting out larger devices. Microsoft could keep their converged operating system in the lab for another couple of years, but by then they may have lost the mobile space to Android or IOS. They also wouldn't get something out in the hands of the hardware manufacturers to come up with new form factors, like the different convertible options out there. On 11/09/2014 02:38 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Based on the size of the field of testers, especially when the software goes out to the public for testing, shouldn't these problems be corrected before the final product is released for sale? I know that this is the case when it comes to computer games for the blind. The initial beta testers are selected based on their communications and computer skills and the machines they are using. The majority of bugs are caught and corrected. If there is another phase of testing, done by the public, more bugs are reported and worked on. When the final product is sold, it has met the satisfaction of the developer. Wouldn't the same procedure work elsewhere? As far as what the public wants, I have heard a lot of complaints from sighted people as well as from blind people about the performance of Microsoft operating systems, in particular, the ribbon menus and 8.1 features, which is why 10.0 is coming out. But based on their past performance of new operating systems, and their reputation based on that performance, I certainly won't be first on the block to get it and install it on any machine. On the other hand, Apple operating system upgrades haven't broken the bank, and, after a while, they are made to work. That's why they have the reputation they have. 8.0 is a fluke that was caused, in my opinion, by Apple's commitment to a deadline rather than on quality before release, which is an unfortunate mistake. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Hi Charles and Pablo, I think Microsoft and Apple should hire you guys since you appear to have deep insight in how an OS should be developed and what features it should have. The point here is that companies don't always know how people will react to a product. Yes, you can do focus groups and surveys and yet something still might be a total bust. Windows 8 was released because Microsoft is trying to gap the bridge between their desktop OS and the mobile OS they use on their phones. Windows 10 will further complete this step and yes, they realized that especially businesses like the desktop although I have a lot of sighted friends who love Windows 8 and even more like 8.1 and the approach with metro apps and tiles and so on. In the end the consumers reaction drives innovation and what things will be like. In a small way this is no different in my retail store. You think it should be easy to bring in the products that are good and which people like and
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
And what that does for those with very limited incomes? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:08 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 And let's not forget the primary driver behind change, it requires us to update hardware and/or software and spend more money. Alan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
I personally have no problem with Windows 8. Infact, i love it, more so than windows 7 and definitely vista. I think, part of the problem is that, people often fear for the change are those that never experience it, and fearful to experience it. They form some followers group, disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, to make them, somehow, different or to stand out. If one is so fearful for the change, and like some people keep repeating here anyway, why fix something when there is no need to then, why not these people stick with your very first nokia phone, those that from the 1990s, and be done with it. I'm pretty sure people somewhere in this world, still using windows 286 to do word processing, windows 95 to get online, and so on and so on. If i say, my favourite windows OS is Windows Me, will anyone believe me? My favourite is Jaws 6.2, will anyone believe me? But, that is the true. We can either move on, or stayback, and keep looking back to back in the those days. We want to be accessible, to be widely available, but we often, choose not to contribute, because, contributing and participating on a meaningful discussion or contribution is too hard. Better off living in the 70s, and have the advantage of the early 2000s. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 10 Nov 2014, at 9:55, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: And what that does for those with very limited incomes? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 3:08 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 And let's not forget the primary driver behind change, it requires us to update hardware and/or software and spend more money. Alan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
Obviously, you have to pay attention to quality, but this is only one factor that goes into a business decision. Unless you're writing Hello World! you're application, system or device will have a bug in it. How many bugs are OK before you put your release date at risk? Shipping something late negatively impacts customer satisfaction and can also negatively affect your partners and the rest of the ecosystem. Constantly missing your dates also establishes a bad reputation. Is IOS 8.1 good enough now or should Apple have continued to wait to start selling the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6S? Should they keep waiting and miss Black Friday and the holiday revenue? Like I said, I'm not saying quality doesn't count, it definitely does, but you're also ignoring all of the other factors that go into such a decision. You're also not taking into account that when something is good enough is a fuzzy grey line. Furthermore, even if you put out a perfect product with only one or two bugs, the people who hit those bugs will complain about it. Do all of Apple's customers think IOS 8.1 is an unmitigated disaster or just a subset of blind users? If Apple has to trade off some dissatisfaction among some blind users with postponing the availability of a new line of iPhones what do you think Apple would do? Would they be wrong? On 11/09/2014 05:21 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you market stuff that doesn't work all that well, it'll kill a good reputation and give birth to a bad one that might not be easily reversed. If you put out something based on the date rather than the readiness, a lot of people will remember what you did. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 It isn't just a matter of testing and focus groups. Apple and Microsoft have plenty of both. People are resistant to change, and even when something is good, people will need time to adjust, and you'll have a lot of gnashing of teeth in the meantime. Windows Seven was embraced because Windows Vista paved the way. Apple researched their newer flatter interface before releasing it in IOS 7, and it was still resoundingly panned in the press. I don't hear anyone complaining about it now though. How much of the criticism do you hear in the press and the blogosphere is coming from people who've actually used the products they're panning? Terms like eye candy, change for changes sake, bloatware and so on get floated out there and people latch on to them and start repeating them like parrots. I'm on various lists, and I'm constantly seeing people criticize Windows, IOS or Android and it's obvious they're basing their criticism on some erroneous or stale information they're getting second or third hand. Companies also have product schedules and need to get new technologies in the market. Apple could have postponed the release of the iPhone 6 and continued to see their market share getting lost to other smart phone companies putting out larger devices. Microsoft could keep their converged operating system in the lab for another couple of years, but by then they may have lost the mobile space to Android or IOS. They also wouldn't get something out in the hands of the hardware manufacturers to come up with new form factors, like the different convertible options out there. On 11/09/2014 02:38 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Based on the size of the field of testers, especially when the software goes out to the public for testing, shouldn't these problems be corrected before the final product is released for sale? I know that this is the case when it comes to computer games for the blind. The initial beta testers are selected based on their communications and computer skills and the machines they are using. The majority of bugs are caught and corrected. If there is another phase of testing, done by the public, more bugs are reported and worked on. When the final product is sold, it has met the satisfaction of the developer. Wouldn't the same procedure work elsewhere? As far as what the public wants, I have heard a lot of complaints from sighted people as well as from blind people about the performance of Microsoft operating systems, in particular, the ribbon menus and 8.1 features, which is why 10.0 is coming out. But based on their past performance of new operating systems, and their reputation based on that performance, I certainly won't be first on the block to get it and install it on any machine. On the other hand, Apple operating system upgrades haven't broken the bank, and, after a while, they are made to work. That's why they have the reputation they have. 8.0 is a fluke that was caused, in my opinion, by Apple's commitment to a
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
I don't remember what company used the slogan in their commercials, but The quality goes in before the name goes on. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 8:42 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 Obviously, you have to pay attention to quality, but this is only one factor that goes into a business decision. Unless you're writing Hello World! you're application, system or device will have a bug in it. How many bugs are OK before you put your release date at risk? Shipping something late negatively impacts customer satisfaction and can also negatively affect your partners and the rest of the ecosystem. Constantly missing your dates also establishes a bad reputation. Is IOS 8.1 good enough now or should Apple have continued to wait to start selling the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6S? Should they keep waiting and miss Black Friday and the holiday revenue? Like I said, I'm not saying quality doesn't count, it definitely does, but you're also ignoring all of the other factors that go into such a decision. You're also not taking into account that when something is good enough is a fuzzy grey line. Furthermore, even if you put out a perfect product with only one or two bugs, the people who hit those bugs will complain about it. Do all of Apple's customers think IOS 8.1 is an unmitigated disaster or just a subset of blind users? If Apple has to trade off some dissatisfaction among some blind users with postponing the availability of a new line of iPhones what do you think Apple would do? Would they be wrong? On 11/09/2014 05:21 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If you market stuff that doesn't work all that well, it'll kill a good reputation and give birth to a bad one that might not be easily reversed. If you put out something based on the date rather than the readiness, a lot of people will remember what you did. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 4:32 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11 It isn't just a matter of testing and focus groups. Apple and Microsoft have plenty of both. People are resistant to change, and even when something is good, people will need time to adjust, and you'll have a lot of gnashing of teeth in the meantime. Windows Seven was embraced because Windows Vista paved the way. Apple researched their newer flatter interface before releasing it in IOS 7, and it was still resoundingly panned in the press. I don't hear anyone complaining about it now though. How much of the criticism do you hear in the press and the blogosphere is coming from people who've actually used the products they're panning? Terms like eye candy, change for changes sake, bloatware and so on get floated out there and people latch on to them and start repeating them like parrots. I'm on various lists, and I'm constantly seeing people criticize Windows, IOS or Android and it's obvious they're basing their criticism on some erroneous or stale information they're getting second or third hand. Companies also have product schedules and need to get new technologies in the market. Apple could have postponed the release of the iPhone 6 and continued to see their market share getting lost to other smart phone companies putting out larger devices. Microsoft could keep their converged operating system in the lab for another couple of years, but by then they may have lost the mobile space to Android or IOS. They also wouldn't get something out in the hands of the hardware manufacturers to come up with new form factors, like the different convertible options out there. On 11/09/2014 02:38 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Based on the size of the field of testers, especially when the software goes out to the public for testing, shouldn't these problems be corrected before the final product is released for sale? I know that this is the case when it comes to computer games for the blind. The initial beta testers are selected based on their communications and computer skills and the machines they are using. The majority of bugs are caught and corrected. If there is another phase of testing, done by the public, more bugs are reported and worked on. When the final product is sold, it has met the satisfaction of the developer. Wouldn't the same procedure work elsewhere? As far as what the public wants, I have heard a lot of complaints from sighted people as well as from blind people about the performance of Microsoft operating systems, in particular, the ribbon menus and 8.1 features, which is why 10.0 is
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
There are a lot of reasons why a company will update an application or a platform. They may need to make changes to the interface to incorporate new features. They may want to take advantage of new advances in user interface designs and technologies. They may need to keep up with the look and feel of the competition and provide some value add in upgrading to new devices and systems. If you want to read some of the things Apple is highlighting about why the new changes in iTunes are so beneficial, you can check out one of many such articles and reviews such as http://www.groovypost.com/news/apple-releases-itunes-12-windows-osx/ It sounds like these changes were mostly driven to provide a more seamless interface with Yosemite's new interface. I'm not sure if you're a Windows user or not, but remember, Apple is going to focus on iTunes and it's own platforms and not the competitors platforms and operating systems. You won't see a Metro based iTunes for example. IMHO, we can't expect companies to not upgrade their applications and operating systems just because the current versions are accessible. We may take a step backwards in learning a new interface and there may be some accessibility set backs a long the way but in the long run, we're all better off. Modern applications, operating systems and user interfaces are more powerful and are easier to use than what proceeded them. On 11/07/2014 10:47 AM, Fanus wrote: Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in iTunes 11
Hey folks. If you’re going to talk about syncing apps with iTunes, could we please stay on point? It’s a subject I’m interested in, but I am a little tired of the battle between the forward thinkers and the people who would rather keep their heads in the sand. No, I’m not a moderator, just a list member who wants to learn something besides your gryping about change. If you want to do that, it would be nice if you would change the subject so the rest of us could learn about iTunes. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Hi Charles, With all due respect, I don’t think you can compare Chess and iTunes *smile*. That would be saying why invent cars if a horse and buggy worked perfectly well. You can always find a comparison to support a point you want to make. The point is that Apple has changed and will continue to change iTunes and probably iOS to go along with their vision for the product and with what they feel people like. By people I mean the sighted world. While visually impaired people in my opinion still are important to Apple despite how it seems accessibility is being put on the backburner, we are a very small minority. I remember when touch screen devices first started to gain popularity a lot of blind people groaned and moaned about what was going to happen and before we knew it Apple showed us what would happen, they made touch screen devices accessible. I remember when I had MobileSpeak from Code Factory I once borrowed an LG touch screen phone which ran Windows Mobile 6.1 and I installed MobileSpeak on it which back then boasted touch screen support. I had to touch the 4 corners of the phone in different ways to simulate pressing the home button and so on and while it seemed sort of cool at first, when I compare it to my first iOS device which I got only a year or so later the attempt to make touch screen phones accessible that way was rather funny. Sort of like a little boy with a plastic hammer imitating his carpenter Dad. But back to iTunes. iTunes 12 I think is awesome except for just a couple of small things which can be done but were maybe a bit more easy to accomplish in iTunes 11. Other than than that I think it works great. I’d love to do a Podcast about iTunes 12, but let’s hope Jonathan is maybe considering it since he has done such a fantastic job with iTunes 11 and Jaws 14, maybe he’ll have an iTunes 12 with Jaws 16 follow-up; after all, this type of thing is what he does, I’m just a retailer who likes technology. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less dependable and accessible than before. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has gone on to other things? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Fanus mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hello list I wonder why companies always change
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Hi! Sorry to be a pain to the list! But are you using Windows or Mac? Colin On 7 Nov 2014, at 16:47, Fanus buys.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list.iTunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11
Hello Colinn O sorry, I forgot to say I am using windows7 and jaws 16. Regards Fanus - Original Message - From: Colin Matthews To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Hi! Sorry to be a pain to the list! But are you using Windows or Mac? Colin On 7 Nov 2014, at 16:47, Fanus buys.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no sync button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the list.iTunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why change something that works? Regards Fanus -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
