Re: Delete & remove in iOS
My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsub
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraqui
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Chris, Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is true. That is all I can tell you. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: > Mary, > > > > Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about > this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did > tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. > > > > Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible > device so far. I do not bother Android at all. > > > > Todd > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mary Otten > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not > just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the > last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or > whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any > better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you > don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the > delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, > when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not > be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails > to realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What > kind of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V > iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the > list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an em
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes away. > <> > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> All: >> >> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? >> >> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I >> tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. >> This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. >> >> Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to >> realize. >> >> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of >> thing is that? >> >> Use your common sense! >> >> That is all I can say now. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Todd >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vipho
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John, I said “cannot expect everyone…”, which is correct. Moving apps to a folder is not the answer, either. It eats up space! Think again about it. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group
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Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any qu
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It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as Apple, which is what you said in your second message. On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: Chris, Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is true. That is all I can tell you. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
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Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! Do not overlook this one! Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my i
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You can get rid of a lot of the Apple stock apps, stocks being one. Like I said, my suspicion is that there is more complications surrounding things like the home app and the Health app. Imagine the Hugh and cry if somebody had other apps on their system that were using those and then stupidly deleted home or health. Oh boy. Apple would hear from those folks. And it would of course not be Apple's fault. But you just know there would be somebody or more than one somebody out there who would try it. Maybe just because they could. This is such a non-issue, Todd. Given the strides that Apple has made and letting you get rid of their other apps. If you really hate it that much, go try android. Then you will find that there are things that you can't delete from there either. So if you don't like it, at least you can stop talking about it on the list. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Mary, > > Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. > Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at > Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. > > Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so > far. I do not bother Android at all. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of
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Chris, No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it. You are missing something this time. Todd -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as Apple, which is what you said in your second message. On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: > Chris, > > Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is > true. > > That is all I can tell you. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is > more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being > accessible at all. > > I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an > annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then > they must be doing a great job with accessibility! > > On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: >> Mary, >> >> >> >> Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about >> this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did >> tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize >> this. >> >> >> >> Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible >> device so far. I do not bother Android at all. >> >> >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> >> >> My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're >> not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on >> the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or >> whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any >> better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you >> don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? >> Mary >> >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus > <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> All: >> >> >> >> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the >> delete issue? >> >> >> >> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, >> when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not >> be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. >> >> >> >> Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails >> to realize. >> >> >> >> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What >> kind of thing is that? >> >> >> >> Use your common sense! >> >> >> >> That is all I can say now. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Todd >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >> list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you ar
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Wow! I am truly surprised that home could be deleted. I tried health, and it couldn't be. Of course it can be moved. That's really all you have to do. Settings of course can't be nor should it be. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes away. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you a
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Mary, That is your own word! I followed to what you said. There are some things you are overlooking. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS You can get rid of a lot of the Apple stock apps, stocks being one. Like I said, my suspicion is that there is more complications surrounding things like the home app and the Health app. Imagine the Hugh and cry if somebody had other apps on their system that were using those and then stupidly deleted home or health. Oh boy. Apple would hear from those folks. And it would of course not be Apple's fault. But you just know there would be somebody or more than one somebody out there who would try it. Maybe just because they could. This is such a non-issue, Todd. Given the strides that Apple has made and letting you get rid of their other apps. If you really hate it that much, go try android. Then you will find that there are things that you can't delete from there either. So if you don't like it, at least you can stop talking about it on the list. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Hi Mary, Yes, it is surprising that Apple let’s you delete some of these apps, others which can be deleted are Mail, Calendar, Notes, Facetime, Reminders, Contacts, Weather, Voice Memos and iTunes Store. Clock, Wallet and Safari can’t be deleted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Wow! I am truly surprised that home could be deleted. I tried health, and it couldn't be. Of course it can be moved. That's really all you have to do. Settings of course can't be nor should it be. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Have you personally tried both platforms? I don't have a problem with someone having an opinion and thinking IOS is more accessible than Android, but I think it's a disservice to blind people everywhere to state something as a fact that's only an opinion. this is especially true when it isn't based on personal experience but rather just hear say. There are definitely areas where IOS is more accessible than Android, but for how I use my phone, I find Android is just as accessible as Apple. IMHO, the question of whether one is more accessible than the other is more complicated than just stating it's a fact. It goes to how each person uses their phone and what each person finds to be important to them. This is why I like reviews from people who have used both platforms and I discourage people from listening to one line statements. Besides, you've said both that Android isn't accessible at all and that it isn't as as accessible as IOS. These two statements aren't the same, so which are you saying is a simple fact? On 20/11/16 19:05, Todd Patkus wrote: Chris, No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it. You are missing something this time. Todd -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as Apple, which is what you said in your second message. On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: Chris, Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is true. That is all I can tell you. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The a
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Hi Sieghard, I'm curious that you keep iBooks around just so you can open a PDF. Do you have voice dream? My luck with PDFs in that app has been far greater than it has in iBooks. Maybe it just depends on the PDF. But I basically have given up on iBooks for PDF reading. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi John, > > I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever > the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps > can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are > two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a > PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular > stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go > which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have > on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from > essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is > one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty > sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as > many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors > etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one > person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which > can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details > like that .there must be very few major ones. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Panarese > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > >Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t > mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with > the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it > doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of > others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or > useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might > be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice > to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t > the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes away. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone &
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A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. > That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. > I do not need that. What a real waste! > > Do not overlook this one! > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi John, > > I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever > the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps > can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are > two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a > PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular > stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go > which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have > on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from > essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is > one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty > sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as > many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors > etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one > person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which > can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details > like that .there must be very few major ones. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Panarese > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > >Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t > mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with > the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it > doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of > others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or > useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might > be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice > to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t > the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes away. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM >
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Yes, I use Health every day. I am using “bloatware” as a relative term some designate the apps they don’t consider to be useful to them. Personally, I consider very few apps on the iDevices as “useless”, but there are a few I wish could be deleted. I do like your solution, but I have gotten to the point in which I economize screen space by using folders. Since I can call upon SIRI to open them, it really doesn’t matter where I put them in the end. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi John, > > I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever > the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps > can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are > two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a > PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular > stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go > which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have > on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from > essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is > one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty > sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as > many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors > etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one > person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which > can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details > like that .there must be very few major ones. > > Regards, > Sieghard > <> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of John Panarese > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > >Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t > mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with > the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it > doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of > others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or > useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might > be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice > to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t > the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes
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I'm with you on the folder, John. I have apps I seldom use on my last page, along with a folder of apps I never use. Or maybe I used to use them, and then they became in accessible, and I keep them in case they become accessible again. So you have your almost never and you're never. And the never once go into a folder. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:40 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >Yes, I use Health every day. I am using “bloatware” as a relative term > some designate the apps they don’t consider to be useful to them. > Personally, I consider very few apps on the iDevices as “useless”, but there > are a few I wish could be deleted. I do like your solution, but I have gotten > to the point in which I economize screen space by using folders. Since I can > call upon SIRI to open them, it really doesn’t matter where I put them in the > end. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> >> I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever >> the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps >> can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks >> are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because >> occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how >> a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never >> need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which >> I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, >> apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, >> Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m >> pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular >> bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure >> monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that >> only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 >> apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into >> minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of John Panarese >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >>Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t >> mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with >> the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it >> doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of >> others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or >> useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might >> be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice >> to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this >> isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: >> >> Sieghard, >> >> The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as >> possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the >> better. >> >> Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they >> “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. >> >> Think twice. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Todd >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM >> To: viphone@google
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Actually, you are correct, I do have Voice Dream Reader, but I guess I just haven’t bothered deleting iBooks, sometimes old habits die hard and while Todd may consider a few apps he doesn’t use to be a big deal, I couldn’t care less, they are where they don’t bother me and where the backlight seldom shines *smile*. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Sieghard, I'm curious that you keep iBooks around just so you can open a PDF. Do you have voice dream? My luck with PDFs in that app has been far greater than it has in iBooks. Maybe it just depends on the PDF. But I basically have given up on iBooks for PDF reading. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a fol
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Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! Do not overlook this one! Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Su
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Well, just to show different strokes for different folks, iBooks is in a books folder which is in my dock. One persons Backpage app is another person's doc dweller. Smile. I do have a lot of iBooks, most of them purchased before kindle books became accessible and before voice dream came along. Mary Q Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Actually, you are correct, I do have Voice Dream Reader, but I guess I just > haven’t bothered deleting iBooks, sometimes old habits die hard and while > Todd may consider a few apps he doesn’t use to be a big deal, I couldn’t care > less, they are where they don’t bother me and where the backlight seldom > shines *smile*. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Sieghard, > I'm curious that you keep iBooks around just so you can open a PDF. Do you > have voice dream? My luck with PDFs in that app has been far greater than it > has in iBooks. Maybe it just depends on the PDF. But I basically have given > up on iBooks for PDF reading. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > Hi John, > > I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever > the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps > can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are > two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a > PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular > stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go > which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have > on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from > essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is > one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty > sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as > many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors > etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one > person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which > can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details > like that .there must be very few major ones. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > John Panarese > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > >Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t > mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with > the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it > doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of > others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or > useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might > be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice > to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t > the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Ph
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Hi Mary, I was able to delete the home app myself, though. But not health. Sent from a Braille Sense - Original Message - From: Mary Otten To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:28 am Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > > realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind > > of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > > Mary > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps".
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Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! Do not overlook this one! Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, Novem
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Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! Do not overlook this one! Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi John, I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create folders. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 7
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Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Victor, > > You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do > for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or > as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. > Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think > twice. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Victor Gouveia > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and > entertainment. > > Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you > can make blanket statements like the one you used. > > Victor > > From: Todd Patkus > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Mary, > > Wait a minute. > > I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, > Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. > > Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression > that I want them all gone. Not true! > > That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what > they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. > That is it. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, > just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I > don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they > should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of > entitlement coming for one guy. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Sieghard, >> >> You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. >> That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be >> omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! >> >> Do not overlook this one! >> >> Todd >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> Hi John, >> >> I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever >> the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many apps >> can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and iBooks &g
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John, Who do you yourself think you yourself are? Saying, Think twice is simply a habitual way to say. You are not alone to whom I use to quote it. Plus, I am not alone in quoting that; Rich is another one. I want you and the folks here to realize what was said stands correct. I care less about music, videos, and some of the apps. I have no interest in music. Too much of music is enough. That is why I said iTunes should be used in a more narrow way, not mixing it with apps where music is not mentioned. That is simply ridiculous and should be changed for the better. John, you have a lot yet to learn. If you, John, or anyone do/does not like what I said, that is too bad for y’all. This concludes. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus < <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: Sieghard, You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be omitted. I do not need that.
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Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you get on there. Otherwise leave us alone. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese wrote: > > Todd, >You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to > do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred > and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a > very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You > keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough > that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated > that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is > Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be > removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of > space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB > models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in > folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this > point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio > far more than the applications. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: >> >> Victor, >> >> You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do >> for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone >> or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. >> Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! >> Think twice. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Victor Gouveia >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and >> entertainment. >> >> Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you >> can make blanket statements like the one you used. >> >> Victor >> >> From: Todd Patkus >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> Mary, >> >> Wait a minute. >> >> I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like >> Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. >> >> Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression >> that I want them all gone. Not true! >> >> That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what >> they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for >> nothing. That is it. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, >> just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I >> don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they >> should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot >> of entitlement coming for one guy. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: >>> Sieghard, >>> >>> You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not >>> care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be >>> omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! >>> >>> Do not overlook this one! >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> From: viphone@goog
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Mary, You are mistaken. I do not have behavioral problems. No psychological issues, either! You do not understand the points I have made. I have nothing against y’all. Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more understanding. That is where you need to work on. I do not need anything to do with Android. That is not my thing. Some of you do not have common sense like I do. I noticed that, yes. Only time will tell. You will then see what it means. That is all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you get on there. Otherwise leave us alone. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote: Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression that I want them all gone. Not true! That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for nothing. That is it. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot of entitlement coming for one guy. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM
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Health might be useless to you. but I get gift cards from Amazon and iTunes for walking five miles a day thanks to the Health app. I use it to count my steps. Then I open my insurance app and the information from the health app is seamlessly transferred to the insurance app and when I get enough points I can cash in for as many gift cards as I can. I have already spent quite a few dollars at both Amazon and the App store over the past few years. I could save up for other purchases, even iPads and there are other stores as well such as Target. But these are the two I like to shop with. Apple can put all the stock apps they want on my 128 GB iPhone as long as the money keeps rolling in. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, You are mistaken. I do not have behavioral problems. No psychological issues, either! You do not understand the points I have made. I have nothing against y’all. Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more understanding. That is where you need to work on. I do not need anything to do with Android. That is not my thing. Some of you do not have common sense like I do. I noticed that, yes. Only time will tell. You will then see what it means. That is all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you get on there. Otherwise leave us alone. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote: Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you can make blanket statements like the one you used. Victor From: Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, Wait a minute. I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. Therefore, you are missing something
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Merv, That is for you. I have no use. There are many apps related to Health. Apple Inc. is simply and slyly luring folks and those on this list to buy their products. Thanks. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Merv Keck Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Health might be useless to you. but I get gift cards from Amazon and iTunes for walking five miles a day thanks to the Health app. I use it to count my steps. Then I open my insurance app and the information from the health app is seamlessly transferred to the insurance app and when I get enough points I can cash in for as many gift cards as I can. I have already spent quite a few dollars at both Amazon and the App store over the past few years. I could save up for other purchases, even iPads and there are other stores as well such as Target. But these are the two I like to shop with. Apple can put all the stock apps they want on my 128 GB iPhone as long as the money keeps rolling in. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Mary, You are mistaken. I do not have behavioral problems. No psychological issues, either! You do not understand the points I have made. I have nothing against y’all. Y’all need to learn to be a little bit more understanding. That is where you need to work on. I do not need anything to do with Android. That is not my thing. Some of you do not have common sense like I do. I noticed that, yes. Only time will tell. You will then see what it means. That is all. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you get on there. Otherwise leave us alone. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote: Todd, You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio far more than the applications. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus mailto:tpte...@gmail.com> > wrote: Victor, You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! Think twice. From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and entertainment. Just because they are useless because you don’
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Hi Christopher, Todd is Deaf Blind, so for him, Android is not at all viable. It's Braille support as publicly available is well below par. I have learned the hard way that there is little sympathy on this list, or in the blind community as a whole it seems, for the needs of the Deaf Blind which is why I have mostly stopped posting here. But I did want to chime in and at least make this point. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 21/11/2016, at 2:14 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Have you personally tried both platforms? I don't have a problem with someone > having an opinion and thinking IOS is more accessible than Android, but I > think it's a disservice to blind people everywhere to state something as a > fact that's only an opinion. this is especially true when it isn't based on > personal experience but rather just hear say. There are definitely areas > where IOS is more accessible than Android, but for how I use my phone, I find > Android is just as accessible as Apple. IMHO, the question of whether one is > more accessible than the other is more complicated than just stating it's a > fact. It goes to how each person uses their phone and what each person finds > to be important to them. This is why I like reviews from people who have used > both platforms and I discourage people from listening to one line statements. > > Besides, you've said both that Android isn't accessible at all and that it > isn't as as accessible as IOS. These two statements aren't the same, so which > are you saying is a simple fact? > > On 20/11/16 19:05, Todd Patkus wrote: >> Chris, >> >> No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it. >> >> You are missing something this time. >> >> Todd >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find >> Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the >> office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. >> >> Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, >> which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as >> Apple, which is what you said in your second message. >> >> On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: >>> Chris, >>> >>> Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is >>> true. >>> >>> That is all I can tell you. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>> >>> It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is >>> more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being >>> accessible at all. >>> >>> I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an >>> annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple >>> then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! >>> >>> On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: >>>> Mary, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about >>>> this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did >>>> tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize >>>> this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible >>>> device so far. I do not bother Android at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM >>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>&g
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Fair enough Jonathan, and I did think about that since I knew Todd was deaf blind. If he'd said Android wasn't an option for him because of it's inadequate braille support then I never would have said anything. Since he made a blanket statement though, I guess I jumped in when maybe the smarter thing would have been to let it go. I think of myself as sympathetic to the deaf blind, but I admit, I don't often think of the challenges faced by the deaf blind. I'm also not sure that I agree with Todd that his deaf blindness explains away his rudeness on this list. On 21/11/16 05:03, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Christopher, Todd is Deaf Blind, so for him, Android is not at all viable. It's Braille support as publicly available is well below par. I have learned the hard way that there is little sympathy on this list, or in the blind community as a whole it seems, for the needs of the Deaf Blind which is why I have mostly stopped posting here. But I did want to chime in and at least make this point. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/11/2016, at 2:14 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote: Have you personally tried both platforms? I don't have a problem with someone having an opinion and thinking IOS is more accessible than Android, but I think it's a disservice to blind people everywhere to state something as a fact that's only an opinion. this is especially true when it isn't based on personal experience but rather just hear say. There are definitely areas where IOS is more accessible than Android, but for how I use my phone, I find Android is just as accessible as Apple. IMHO, the question of whether one is more accessible than the other is more complicated than just stating it's a fact. It goes to how each person uses their phone and what each person finds to be important to them. This is why I like reviews from people who have used both platforms and I discourage people from listening to one line statements. Besides, you've said both that Android isn't accessible at all and that it isn't as as accessible as IOS. These two statements aren't the same, so which are you saying is a simple fact? On 20/11/16 19:05, Todd Patkus wrote: Chris, No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it. You are missing something this time. Todd -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as Apple, which is what you said in your second message. On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: Chris, Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is true. That is all I can tell you. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: Mary, Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device so far. I do not bother Android at all. Todd *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may
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Hi Todd, Why can’t you just move these app you don’t want into a folder and put them on the last page of apps. That is so simple to do and stop whining like a spoiled brat that does not get his way. You need to grow up and just move the apps. I know you are going to respond that you are not a spoiled little brat. So let’s hear you whine again. One other reminder. I knew of another person on this list that kept whining about IOS all the time and he is no longer on this list. So grow up a little and get off your high horse and except the facts about IOS as they are. Not being perfect the way you want them. I am visually impaired and severely hard of hearing and I want to be an airline pilot or a brain surgeon. Do you want to be my first passenger or patient? So realize everything in life is not going to be perfect for you. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Sieghard, The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. Think twice. Thanks. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS Hi Mary, Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything in it right now and it goes away. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? Mary Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vip
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Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. Reggie and Lex On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi Reggie, Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the method you gave him. Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step but Todd stated they did not work for him. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. Reggie and Lex On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Mary and Christopher, excellent posts. There was a time when none of the Apple phone apps could be deleted at all. So, this is an improvement in IOS. I put all unwanted apps on the last page and went about my way. I also went to a more GB. I think this difficulty can be dealt with easily. Reggie and Lex On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being accessible at all. I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! > On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: > Mary, > > > > Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about > this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did tell > the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize this. > > > > Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible device > so far. I do not bother Android at all. > > > > Todd > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mary Otten > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not > just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the > last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or > whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any > better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you > don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >All: > > > >Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the >delete issue? > > > >One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, >when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not >be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > >Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails >to realize. > > > >Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What >kind of thing is that? > > > >Use your common sense! > > > >That is all I can say now. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Todd > >-- >The following information is important for all members of the V >iPhone list. > >If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >list itself. > >Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com ><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > >The archives for this list can be searched at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "VIPhone" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com ><mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com ><mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s
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Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of that going around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but it does come across as a spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing difficulty than me. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed wrote: Hi Reggie, Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the method you gave him. Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step but Todd stated they did not work for him. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. Reggie and Lex On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &q
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Jerks will be jerks. /ignore On 11/21/2016 5:00 PM, regina alvarado wrote: > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of his > posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I > do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a > wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the > country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much > of that going around. It is time he try and make a point without > attacking the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit > also and frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there > were no computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about > frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my first > computer at work. Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. I do not > know his age, but it does come across as a spoiled child. Jonathan is > never nasty, and he has a worse hearing difficulty than me. Would Helen > Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) > On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed <mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote: > > Hi Reggie, > > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the > method you gave him. > > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by > step but Todd stated they did not work for him. > > Mr. Ed > > > > *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *regina alvarado > *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you > are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much > trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, > tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one > finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app > or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > > Reggie and Lex > > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when > I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be > deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What > kind of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-arc
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Hi Shaf, I may not agree with Todd's attitude, but you still should be careful when you judge, you simply don't know somebody until you walked in their shoes. I definitely also don't appreciate people calling others jerk no matter what, those who do that are no better and often worse than the person they are so quick to label with such words. If I were moderator you would be off the list based on that statement. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Patel Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Jerks will be jerks. /ignore On 11/21/2016 5:00 PM, regina alvarado wrote: > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of > his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help > him. I do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in > a wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside > the country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too > much of that going around. It is time he try and make a point without > attacking the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit > also and frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there > were no computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about > frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my > first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. > I do not know his age, but it does come across as a spoiled child. > Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing difficulty than > me. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) On > Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed <mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote: > > Hi Reggie, > > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the > method you gave him. > > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step > by step but Todd stated they did not work for him. > > Mr. Ed > > > > *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *regina alvarado > *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you > are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much > trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, > tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one > finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app > or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > > Reggie and Lex > > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, > when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be > deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What > kind of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. > Visit
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How very kind of you. On 11/21/2016 5:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Shaf, > > I may not agree with Todd's attitude, but you still should be careful when > you judge, you simply don't know somebody until you walked in their shoes. > I definitely also don't appreciate people calling others jerk no matter what, > those who do that are no better and often worse than the person they are so > quick to label with such words. > If I were moderator you would be off the list based on that statement. > > Take care, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Shaf Patel > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:10 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > Jerks will be jerks. /ignore > > On 11/21/2016 5:00 PM, regina alvarado wrote: >> >> Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of >> his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help >> him. I do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in >> a wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside >> the country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too >> much of that going around. It is time he try and make a point without >> attacking the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit >> also and frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there >> were no computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about >> frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my >> first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. >> I do not know his age, but it does come across as a spoiled child. >> Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing difficulty than >> me. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) On >> Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed > <mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote: >> >> Hi Reggie, >> >> Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the >> method you gave him. >> >> Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step >> by step but Todd stated they did not work for him. >> >> Mr. Ed >> >> >> >> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *regina alvarado >> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> >> >> >> >> Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you >> are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much >> trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, >> tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one >> finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app >> or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. >> >> >> >> Reggie and Lex >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus > <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> All: >> >> >> >> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? >> >> >> >> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, >> when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be >> deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. >> >> >> >> Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to >> realize. >> >> >> >> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What >> kind of thing is that? >> >> >> >> Use your common sense! >> >> >> >> That is all I can say now. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Todd >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn >> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@ca
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Hi Todd and all! How are you all? Hey Tod, I use and my boyfriend use a focus 14 blue display. Since my boyfriend is deafblind, he is able to delete the apps with it. And he is able to do a lot with it. And he is profoundly deaf and he is blind as well. maybe you should consider in getting the focus 14 blue display since I find a better display to work with. I use an iPhone 7. What kind of phone do you have? Just wondering. I loook forward in hearing form you'd oon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Group Moderator for the IPad help for the blind ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1 > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > Sieghard, > > The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as > possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the better. > > Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say they > “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. > > Think twice. > > Thanks. > > Todd > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS > > Hi Mary, > > Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. > Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, > Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few others > can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core functionality. > Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have anything > in it right now and it goes away. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not just > simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last page of > your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I suggest you > get an android and see if you like that any better. This is such a non-issue. > Just move the damn things where you don't have to look at them and forget > about it. Why is that hard? > Mary > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. > > Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. &g
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Hello, He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told about 10 times the last 7 days. I didn't even exist back then myself. Sent from a BrailleNote - Original Message - From: regina alvarado Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of that going around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but it does come across as a spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing difficulty than me.. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed wrote: Hi Reggie, Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the method you gave him. Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step but Todd stated they did not work for him. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of regina alvarado Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. Reggie and Lex On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: All: Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to realize. Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind of thing is that? Use your common sense! That is all I can say now. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list its
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
As I read this exchange it occurs to me that perhaps Todd may not be a native English speaker, so perhaps there may be a language barrier thus causing something to be lost in translation. I don't see this as a way to excuse nasty behavior, but, sometimes when words are not translated correctly it could lead to misunderstandings. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, rajmund wrote: > > Hello, > He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told > about 10 times the last 7 days. I didn't even exist back then myself. > > Sent from a BrailleNote > > - Original Message - > From: regina alvarado To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:00:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of his > posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I do > not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, > have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., > there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of that going > around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very folks > who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and frustration with some > parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much less voice or > braille displays. Talk about frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read > my whole screen on my first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With > just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but it does come across as a > spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing > difficulty than me.. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles > and hugs) > On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed wrote: > > Hi Reggie, > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the method > you gave him. > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step > but Todd stated they did not work for him. > Mr. Ed > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > regina alvarado > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are > using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but > I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went > to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could > delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS > 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > Reggie and Lex > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > realize. > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Hi, Only know English for 6 years, and unless I'm defending myself off list, and even there, I'm more of a sarcastic type, if anything. Sent from a Braille Sense - Original Message - From: Julian To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 21, 2016 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > As I read this exchange it occurs to me that perhaps Todd may not be a native > English speaker, so perhaps there may be a language barrier thus causing > something to be lost in translation. I don't see this as a way to excuse > nasty behavior, but, sometimes when words are not translated correctly it > could lead to misunderstandings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, rajmund wrote: > > > > Hello, > > He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told > > about 10 times the last 7 days. I didn't even exist back then myself. > > > > Sent from a BrailleNote > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: regina alvarado > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:00:08 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of his > > posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I do > > not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, > > have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., > > there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of that going > > around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very > > folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and frustration > > with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much > > less voice or braille displays. Talk about frustration. I had to use an > > Optacon to read my whole screen on my first computer at work. Couldn't > > even do that With just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but it does > > come across as a spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a > > worse hearing difficulty than me.. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks > > not!!! (smiles and hugs) > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed wrote: > > > > Hi Reggie, > > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the > > method you gave him. > > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by > > step but Todd stated they did not work for him. > > Mr. Ed > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of regina alvarado > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are > > using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, > > but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on > > that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that > > and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I > > am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > > > > Reggie and Lex > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > > realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind > > of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > > list.. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > > you can reach Cara at ca
RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Julian and Rajmund, Please be careful. You stated I am not an English native speaker. This is incorrect. Remind you, Mark the moderator already posted a note to all of y'all. Please say no more. Todd -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS As I read this exchange it occurs to me that perhaps Todd may not be a native English speaker, so perhaps there may be a language barrier thus causing something to be lost in translation. I don't see this as a way to excuse nasty behavior, but, sometimes when words are not translated correctly it could lead to misunderstandings. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, rajmund wrote: > > Hello, > He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told > about 10 times the last 7 days. I didn't even exist back then myself. > > Sent from a BrailleNote > > - Original Message - > From: regina alvarado To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:00:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of > his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. I > do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a wheelchair, > have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the country, U.S., > there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of that going > around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking the very folks > who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and frustration with some > parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no computers much less voice or > braille displays. Talk about frustration. I had to use an Optacon to read > my whole screen on my first computer at work. Couldn't even do that With > just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but it does come across as a > spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he has a worse hearing > difficulty than me.. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me thinks not!!! (smiles > and hugs) On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed wrote: > > Hi Reggie, > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the method > you gave him. > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by step > but Todd stated they did not work for him. > Mr. Ed > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of regina alvarado > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are > using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, but > I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on that, went > to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that and I could > delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I am" using IOS > 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > Reggie and Lex > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > All: > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > realize. > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind of > thing is that? > > Use your common sense! > > That is all I can say now. > > Thanks, > > Todd > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this
Re: Delete & remove in iOS
Maybe mark his junk as spam so it doesn't even reach your inbox. On 11/22/2016 6:32 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > Hi Billy. I'm only gonna reply to this message on list and after that > I'll shut up because I might have ruffled a few feathers on here with my > last comment. Unfortunately, I've only used Outlook for a few years and > I'm still kinda learning. So no, I don't know how to create a filter on > there. I don't even know how to create filters on Mac Mail but I'd love > to learn so messages like the one I sent last night don't make it to the > list. That's all I'll say. I think we should close this topic as Mark > asked us to. I'll talk more off list if you'd like. > > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> > >> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Billy Maynard > <mailto:biljm...@comcast.net>> wrote: >> >> hi, >> >> since you mentioned a filter would there be a way to do such a thing >> for him on outlook windows? I've been giving my delete key a >> workout too because of him. >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Shawn Krasniuk <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:35 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>> >>> Guys, why are you replying to his messages? The more you respond, the >>> more you fuel the flames of his entitledness. I've deleted all of his >>> emails after reading the first and second emails because I've >>> realized that his opinions or facts matter and everybody else's >>> don't. It's like he has the mentality of I'm better than you so I'm >>> right and you're wrong. That's why the delete key has been my friend >>> because I don't take him seriously. So if you ignore him, he'll go >>> away. Maybe if I don't wanna keep pressing the delete button since I >>> want to read what other people are saying and it takes up my time, I >>> might learn how to set up a filter on Mail for my Mac so I don't have >>> to read his messages again or keep deleting. Hope everyone has a good >>> night. >>> >>> Shawn >>> Sent From My White MacBook >>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Todd Patkus >>> <mailto:tpte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Merv, >>>> That is for you. I have no use. >>>> There are many apps related to Health. >>>> Apple Inc. is simply and slyly luring folks and those on this list >>>> to buy their products. >>>> Thanks. >>>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Merv Keck >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:04 PM >>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* RE: Delete & remove in iOS >>>> Health might be useless to you. but I get gift cards from Amazon and >>>> iTunes for walking five miles a day thanks to the Health app. I use >>>> it to count my steps. Then I open my insurance app and the >>>> information from the health app is seamlessly transferred to the >>>> insurance app and when I get enough points I can cash in for as many >>>> gift cards as I can. I have already spent quite a few dollars at >>>> both Amazon and the App store over the past few years. I could save >>>> up for other purchases, even iPads and there are other stores as >>>> well such as Target. But these are the two I like to shop with. >>>> Apple can put all the stock apps they want on my 128 GB iPhone as >>>> long as the money keeps rolling in. >>>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Todd Patkus >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:51 PM >>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* RE: Delete &a
MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Delete & remove in iOS
Everyone, Please close this thread. There have been a great deal of views expressed on this subject and now it's time to move on. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rajmund Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS Hi, Only know English for 6 years, and unless I'm defending myself off list, and even there, I'm more of a sarcastic type, if anything. Sent from a Braille Sense - Original Message - From: Julian To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 21, 2016 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > As I read this exchange it occurs to me that perhaps Todd may not be a native > English speaker, so perhaps there may be a language barrier thus causing > something to be lost in translation. I don't see this as a way to excuse > nasty behavior, but, sometimes when words are not translated correctly it > could lead to misunderstandings. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:55 PM, rajmund wrote: > > > > Hello, > > He's certainly older than me, knows Rich for 35 years, as we've been told > > about 10 times the last 7 days. I didn't even exist back then myself. > > > > Sent from a BrailleNote > > > > - Original Message - > > From: regina alvarado > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Date sent: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 12:00:08 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Mr. Ed, I was not aware Todd was deaf/blind, but having read all of > > his posts it seems he is a tad nasty to people who he wishes to help him. > > I do not care if someone is deaf, blind, black, white, Asian, in a > > wheelchair, have a guide dog, an Indian-American or someone outside the > > country, U.S., there is no need to be nasty. There is far, far too much of > > that going around. It is time he try and make a point without attacking > > the very folks who are helping him. I have a hearing deficit also and > > frustration with some parts of iPhone, but I lived when there were no > > computers much less voice or braille displays. Talk about frustration. I > > had to use an Optacon to read my whole screen on my first computer at work. > > Couldn't even do that With just a typewriter. I do not know his age, but > > it does come across as a spoiled child. Jonathan is never nasty, and he > > has a worse hearing difficulty than me.. Would Helen Keller be nasty? Me > > thinks not!!! (smiles and hugs) On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Mr. Ed > > wrote: > > > > Hi Reggie, > > Todd is deaf blind and uses a Braille key board. So he cannot use the > > method you gave him. > > Someone on the list gave Todd the complete Braille instructions step by > > step but Todd stated they did not work for him. > > Mr. Ed > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of regina alvarado > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:41 AM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS > > > > > > Todd, I had home off my phone almost from the time I got it. Maybe you are > > using an earlier phone? I do not know why you are having so much trouble, > > but I am sorry it doesn't work for you. I had arrange apps, tapped on > > that, went to the activate choice, double tapped with one finger on that > > and I could delete completely just as any other IOS app or app I put on. I > > am" using IOS 10.1.1 or the latest. > > > > > > Reggie and Lex > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Todd Patkus wrote: > > > > All: > > > > Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete issue? > > > > One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I > > tried doing so, it will not. It says "Your Homekit will not be deleted". > > This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. > > > > Yes, y'all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to > > realize. > > > > Also, Health app does not show "activate" or "Arranging apps". What kind > > of thing is that? > > > > Use your common sense! > > > > That is all I can say now. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Todd > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > > list.. > >
