Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, I always use my mini in portrait mode. Same when I had my old iPad 
original version. And no, the mail doesn’t work like it does on the phone. Your 
landscape mode sounds better, because at least you have the message on the 
right side of the screen I guess, based on my understanding of your 
description. I guess I just like it having a list of messages and then I can do 
what I want in there and if I want to read one, I just double tap. I think it 
reminds me of more how I do mail on the PC. Go through the list, see something 
I want, and press insert down arrow in my case to read the message with 
Thunderbird.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 12:20 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things 
> on the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
> it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
> the top/left which always points back up a level. 
> When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
> left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
> thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
> message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
> touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
> top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
> heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
> button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
> thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down 
> other unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
> old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.
> 
> I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.
> 
> RobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad
> 
> 
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the 
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
> original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
> phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
> whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
> me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
> only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
> somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
> app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other 
> thing, and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
> you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
> only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
> read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. 
> Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because 
> I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
>> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
>> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
>> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
>> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
>> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
>> amount of real estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
>> as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan 
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
>> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
>> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thurs

Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Russ Kiehne]

Those of you who are using a ipad, have you thought about using a keyboard 
like the Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android?


-Original Message- 
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

This is why I make heavy use of containers on the iPad, especially in the 
settings app.  It makes navigating to the item you have chosen much easier.


I mainly use my iPad for reading books.  Where it makes a difference to me 
as opposed to using my iPhone is when reading Kindle books.  There is a 
noticeable pause when switching pages, so it doesn't seem as intrusive to me 
since with the larger screen, the pauses are less frequent.


All a matter of what works best for the individual.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of 
Michael Feir [michael.f...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a 
lot more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating 
to my iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge 
reading. For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio 
without burning though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That 
leaves the iPHONE free for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to 
be ready to do other things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. 
Other than easier use of Braille screen input, I can't think of any 
advantages to using an iPAD other than the headphone jak.


Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers 
will hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial 
perceptin issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer 
my iPHONE's smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to 
separate apps into different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your 
iOS device is a prime example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree 
format with branches expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything 
else still remains on the screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap 
on a setting area, everything else goes away and you can get right to what 
you want. When finished, the "back" button gets you out of where you've 
drilled down into.


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal 
<crismuno...@gmail.com<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants 
to “look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and 
not her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual 
phone. Maybe when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other 
rewards type of apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the 
latest camera phone.
Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most 
likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. 
Be it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually 
appear in September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not 
convinced by what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is 
perfectly happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time 
soon since she’d prefer to have an iPad.
I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as 
an extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job 
done.
The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want 
one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and 
typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just 
makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget 
about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or 
sitting down.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Se

Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Russ Kiehne]

IN my case, I like my ipad mini over my 5th generation ipod touch.  The ipad 
mini has bettersound, better battery life and more volume than my ipod touch.

From: Michael Feir 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a lot 
more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating to my 
iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge reading. 
For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio without burning 
though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That leaves the iPHONE free 
for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to be ready to do other 
things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. Other than easier use of 
Braille screen input, I can't think of any advantages to using an iPAD other 
than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers will 
hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial perceptin 
issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer my iPHONE's 
smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to separate apps into 
different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your iOS device is a prime 
example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree format with branches 
expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything else still remains on the 
screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything 
else goes away and you can get right to what you want. When finished, the 
"back" button gets you out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:

  The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone. 

  Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most 
likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be 
it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.

  In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.

  I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.

  The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want 
one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and 
typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just 
makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget 
about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting 
down. 



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com


  Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad




  Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spend

Re: iPhone verses iPad

['Adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

How doo you doo mail in land scape mode?

> On May 18, 2018, at 1:20 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things 
> on the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
> it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
> the top/left which always points back up a level. 
> When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
> left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
> thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
> message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
> touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
> top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
> heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
> button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
> thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down 
> other unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
> old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.
> 
> I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.
> 
> RobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad
> 
> 
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the 
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
> original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
> phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
> whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
> me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
> only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
> somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
> app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other 
> thing, and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
> you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
> only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
> read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. 
> Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because 
> I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
>> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
>> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
>> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
>> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
>> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
>> amount of real estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
>> as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan 
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
>> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
>> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I 
>> find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that 
>> is more a windows vs mac situation.
>> 
>> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
>> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>> 
>> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
>> in mind I can try to address your questions.
>> 
>

Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Kimber Gardner]

Mary,

My experience with mail on the iPad has been similar to yours. In fact
it was the change you mentioned in which a two finger flick up reads a
bunch of stuff before the message that ended my reading of mail on the
iPad. I still don't know why that change was made.

I would also be very interested in hearing how mail can be efficiently
managed on the larger screen.

On 5/17/18, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and
> I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally
> dead. Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in
> the message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in
> the list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good
> for somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is
> so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and
> I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read
> it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that
> is, the thing you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk
> before you get the text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible,
> because I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
>
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had
>> absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both
>> their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very
>> easy to learn. Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and
>> there is less of a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for
>> the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real
>> estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as
>> soon as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>>
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view
>> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier
>> to navigate with.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>>
>> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I
>> find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows
>> vs mac situation.
>>
>> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is
>> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>>
>> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific
>> tasks in mind I can try to address your questions.
>>
>>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a
>>> laptop computer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things on 
the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
the top/left which always points back up a level. 
When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down other 
unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.

I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad


I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for somethings, 
but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, 
and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. Unless 
that has recently changed which is possible, because 
I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
> amount of real estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that 
> is more a windows vs mac situation.
>
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
>
>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a
>> laptop computer?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone
>> list.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on t

RE: iPhone verses iPad

[Alan Lemly]

Mary,

I'm like you and am curious why a larger screen without usable vision makes the 
learning curve any different for the mail app. I've never used an iPad but 
others I've spoken with say the larger screen makes things more difficult to 
navigate with Voiceover especially when the screen is split in some apps. I 
hope Merv will respond with some specifics. I guess if you're learning VO 
gestures for the first time and have motor control issues, having a larger 
screen on which to swipe might make things easier.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad

I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and I have 
an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally dead. 
Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the 
message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the 
list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is so 
wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and I don 
t think it s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read it, on the 
phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that is, the thing 
you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the 
text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because I haven t 
used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely 
> no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and 
> iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. 
> Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of 
> a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real 
> estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view 
> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
> navigate with.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
> situation.
> 
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
> 
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
> 
>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a 
>> laptop computer?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Mary Otten]

I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and I have 
an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally dead. 
Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the 
message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the 
list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is so 
wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and I 
don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read it, on 
the phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that is, the 
thing you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get 
the text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because I haven’t 
used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely 
> no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and 
> iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. 
> Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of 
> a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real 
> estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view 
> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
> navigate with.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
> 
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
> situation.
> 
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
> 
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
> 
>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a 
>> laptop computer?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
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RE: iPhone verses iPad

[Merv Keck]

Hi,
I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had absolutely no 
experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both their iPhone and iPad. 
And the larger screen makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the 
native mail app. Because it is spread out and there is less of a learning curve 
for older adults when learning IOS for the first time. 
Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable vision. 
I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real estate.
I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon as 
it is eligible.
Merv


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view more 
or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
navigate with.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is with 
me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks in 
mind I can try to address your questions.

On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a 
> laptop computer?
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> Thanks.
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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Alan Lemly]

I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view more 
or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier to 
navigate with.

Alan Lemly

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Kimber Gardner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows vs mac 
situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is with 
me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks in 
mind I can try to address your questions.

On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw <r...@q.com> wrote:
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>
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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

This is why I make heavy use of containers on the iPad, especially in the 
settings app.  It makes navigating to the item you have chosen much easier.

I mainly use my iPad for reading books.  Where it makes a difference to me as 
opposed to using my iPhone is when reading Kindle books.  There is a noticeable 
pause when switching pages, so it doesn't seem as intrusive to me since with 
the larger screen, the pauses are less frequent.

All a matter of what works best for the individual.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Michael 
Feir [michael.f...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a lot 
more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating to my 
iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge reading. 
For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio without burning 
though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That leaves the iPHONE free 
for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to be ready to do other 
things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. Other than easier use of 
Braille screen input, I can't think of any advantages to using an iPAD other 
than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers will 
hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial perceptin 
issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer my iPHONE's 
smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to separate apps into 
different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your iOS device is a prime 
example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree format with branches 
expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything else still remains on the 
screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything 
else goes away and you can get right to what you want. When finished, the 
"back" button gets you out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal 
<crismuno...@gmail.com<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone.
Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most likely 
going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be it the 
new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.
I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.
The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want one. 
It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and typing 
while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just makes it 
that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget about using 
it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting down.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the

Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Michael Feir]

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a
lot more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating
to my iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge
reading. For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio
without burning though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That
leaves the iPHONE free for other things. However, if I'm working, or want
to be ready to do other things while listening or reding, I'll use my
iPHONE. Other than easier use of Braille screen input, I can't think of any
advantages to using an iPAD other than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps
and things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra
space in the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from
square one despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on
your phone. I'm still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm
in the process of writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give
exaples so my readers will hopefully make a more informed decision. I have
a lot of spacial perceptin issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I
so strongly prefer my iPHONE's smaller size. The smaller size does force
app designers to separate apps into different tabs. The Settings app where
you configure your iOS device is a prime example. The iPAd layout has
everything in a tree format with branches expanding overtop of things when
selected. Everything else still remains on the screen. On the iPHONE, the
instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything else goes away and you
can get right to what you want. When finished, the "back" button gets you
out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a
> third arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for
> businesses purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as
> if she wants to “look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger
> screen iPad and not her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it
> as an actual phone. Maybe when she’s out and about to scan stuff like
> ShopKick or other rewards type of apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a
> huge screen or the latest camera phone.
>
> Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most
> likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this
> year. Be it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that
> usually appear in September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if
> I’m not convinced by what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
>
> In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not
> bother with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is
> perfectly happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any
> time soon since she’d prefer to have an iPad.
>
> I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use
> to stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or
> as an extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the
> job done.
>
> The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want
> one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and
> typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it
> just makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and
> forget about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary
> or sitting down.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject:* RE: IPhone versess IPad
>
>
>
> Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is
> overkill. Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need
> for an iPad in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that
> I want phone calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery
> to me at least don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an
> iPad and I get a phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in
> fact if I am listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas
> on my iPhone whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings
> and resumes again when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in
> should it gert to the point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more,
> it’s a lot cheaper than spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am
> travelling there isn’t that much I can’t d

RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Cristóbal]

The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone. 

Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most likely 
going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be it the 
new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.

In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.

I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.

The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want one. 
It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and typing 
while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just makes it 
that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget about using 
it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting down. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

 

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Ralph Supernaw
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: IPhone versess IPad

 

Hi,

 

In what situations does an IPad have advantages o

Re: IPhone versess IPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

If I just want to read and check, I use the iPad.  If I want to write, then go 
to the desk to type on  a physical keyboard.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:34 PM
Subject: IPhone versess IPad


Hi,



In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?



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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Vicki W.]

Very good points. Thank you.

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad


  Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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Supernaw
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  Hi,

   

  In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

   

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RE: IPhone versess IPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on an Ipad. If I am travelling there isn’t that much I 
can’t do on my iPhone compared to an iPad. I can see that if you use braille 
input the large iPad might be good, but if I really want to be able to type a 
lot I can just bring a bluetooth keyboard and use my iPhone. Some people also 
make the point about sound quality being bertter on an iPad and that is 
probably true due to it’s larger speakers which can be further apart, but you 
can just as easily use a bluetooth speaker if you want good sound quality. This 
has the added benefit that you can get one that is waterproof so if like me you 
listen to a lot of audio books you can bring it into the shower or outside etc. 
I am doing a fair bit of work outside right now getting my garden and yard into 
shape after a long and very snowy winter and I also do some woodworking either 
in my shop downstairs or outside and I can just have my iPhone in a safe spot 
in my belt case or put somewhere nearby and use my very tough dust and 
waterproof bluetooth speaker. If I am using any woodworking power tools which 
are noisy I wear ear protection anyways and I have a set of ear protection 
which have bluetooth as wel as a built-in FM radio so I can listen to the radio 
or my book or music on my iPhone. If you buy an iPad it’s another expensive 
device which you have to maintain and upgrade every 3 to 5 years, it won’t 
replace your iPhone so now you have to maintain and upgrade two devices. I also 
have an Apple Watch which I like because of the fitness/health application and 
to me that is more useful than an iPad and as it’s a piece of technology which 
also has a finite time before it needs to be upgraded, if you now have an 
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch then things are starting to get really expensive.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ralph 
Supernaw
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi,

In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Kimber Gardner]

I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks
I find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a
windows vs mac situation.

I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my
phone is with me all the time and my iPad is not.

I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific
tasks in mind I can try to address your questions.

On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Vicki W.]

I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, my mini IPad, because it is smaller 
than my laptop or desktop computer, works very nicely when I am traveling.

If I want to read for awhile or listen to a podcast, it is also more convenient 
to use at night after I have gone to bed.

I could use my phone, but I don't like phone calls interrupting what I am doing 
on my mini IPad.

Vicki

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  Hi,

   

  In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a laptop 
computer?

   

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Re: Iphone and ipad cases again, Please, I need your hellp

[englishrider91]

Well, I can't speak with any authority on the new Otterbox cases because I 
haven't actually used one myself, but from the brief look I got of an Otterbox 
Defender, the outer rubber seems thicker and less likely to pick up lint. Also, 
screens shattering has more to do with how the phone lands than anything else. 
If the phone lands face-down, and the surface it lands on is completely flat, 
you should be fine. On the other hand, if the surface has anything sticking up 
out of it, say, like a rock, that can touch your phone's screen
when it lands face-down—that's when you might have problems. I saw the Otterbox 
Defender on an iPhone 6 or 6S. It looked a little slimmer than the Defender I 
had on my 4 and 4S, but I could just be misremembering what the one I used felt 
like. I've been using the Griffin Surviver on my 4S ever since the Defender  
bit the dust after three years of very hard use, but I don't like it as much as 
the Defender.

1. I can't charge the iPhone when the Surviver is on my belt. The clip blocks 
the charger port.

2. You may or may not see this as an advantage, but there's a little rubber 
flap covering the back-facing camera on the Surviver. Granted, I knew about the 
cover before purchasing the Surviver, but I dinn't know how utterly annoying 
I'd find it. The protection for the back-facing camera the Defender uses is 
adequate for me. It's definitely protected in the Defender, so that's not a 
worry. The mamera cover on the Surviver is to protect against dust.
3. I find it hard to put the phone into the Surviver's clip one-handed. I could 
pretty easily do this with the Defender, but not the Surviver. Your milage may 
varry, of course. The problem is that you have to line up the clip with a notch 
in the case, and then press on the other side of the case, where the other 
notch is located, to secure the case in the clip. This is also why you canan't 
charge the phone while it's in the case—the notch where the clip rests rather 
handily blocks access to the charging port—unlike the Defender, where the case 
is secured to the clip at the side ofthe phone instead of the bottom and top. I 
hope this description makes since. If not, I highly recommend going to a store, 
perhaps where you buy your phone, and see if the staff will let you look at the 
Surviver (if they have it) and compare it to the Defender. From what I've seen, 
both brands are pretty popular.

Another well-regarded brand is Sedio. I'm not sure if I spelled that correctly. 
You might want to see if you can have a look an one of their belt-clip cases.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:29 AM, Mária Orovčíková  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I am sorry if you read this twice, but I also posted it to a facebook group.
> I certainly know this topic has been discussed here before, but I am 
> wondering again what case do you use for your iphone or ipad?
> I have been using Otterbox defender case since 2011 when I got my first 
> Iphone 4, I also got Otterbox defender for my Ipad mini and for Iphone 6. I 
> have been very satisfied with it so far, but many people keep complaining on 
> Otterbox facebook page, many people say that the rubber part is stretched out 
> after very short time of use (a month or two). Unfortunately, I have 
> experienced it with Otterbox for Iphone 4 and having all the same with Iphone 
> 6 and I really do not like it. But what makes me really upset is the fact 
> that otterbox claim their defender cases are one of the best cases protecting 
> phones, but lately, many people are very frustrated and they say that when 
> they phones drop even from a table, in many situations it happens that the 
> case screen protector is allright, but the phone screen itself is shattered. 
> I am not saying I drop my iphone or ipad every day, but accidents might 
> happen and I'd rather have my iphone protected than having to get a new 
> screen (display). I dropped Iphone 4 a few times, but nothing has happened. I 
> also dropped my Iphone 6 on the grass once since I got it in April and 
> Everything seems to be allright, I have been doing my best to be more careful 
> but reading all complaints on Facebook makes me more worried.
> The otterbox defender cases are quite expensive for me, so it is impossible 
> to buy one every year. Another thing is that Otterbox defender is not 
> available here in Slovakia, so I must order it from abroad and paying extra 
> shipping fees which is sometimes 30 dollars is quite much.
> So does anyone know of any case, something like Otterbox defender which 
> protect the phone the same way or even better? I also use an external 
> battery, so being able to plug the battery when case is on the phone is a 
> must. I do not want a case with battery built-in, I haven't found out any 
> that would protect the phone in similar way like Otterbox does, I mean having 
> a screen protection film and a rubber part, but if there is something like 
> that available 

RE: IPhone and ipad cases again, Please, I need your help

[Blind Treasures]

I have personally used dozens of cases and my favorite one of all and the
one I will always use is the Speck Products CandyShell grip case. Feels
great in the hand and is very classy looking. Amazon has many of them in
different colors. Doesn't add much at all to the size of the Iphone.

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live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway

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Re: Iphone and ipad cases again, Please, I need your hellp

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi, I enjoy using the otter box defender cases on my iPhones. The defender case 
I had on my iPhone 4s was good then it started to get where and tear and became 
a bit flimsy. The construction of the defender case on the iPhone 5 what's 
different,  the material was better and I did not experience the flimsiness 
like I did on the iPhone 4s case. No I have the iPhone 6s with the defender 
case, it is great, has the same material construction as the defender case for 
the iPhone 5, but is obviously bigger in size and a bit thinner as the iPhone 
6s is a thinner device. The only problem that I have to report is that the new 
Amazon basics iPhone cables do not plug into the defender case for the iPhone 
6s when it  did in the iphone 5s and 5 models. However, the previous model of 
the Amazon basics cable does fit the defender case for the iPhone 6s. Other 
than that, when I had of the defender case on the iPhone 4s and iPhone 5, the 
phone was well protected and withstood several drops.
 

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> On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:29 AM, Mária Orovčíková  
> wrote:
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> Hello all,
> I am sorry if you read this twice, but I also posted it to a facebook group.
> I certainly know this topic has been discussed here before, but I am 
> wondering again what case do you use for your iphone or ipad?
> I have been using Otterbox defender case since 2011 when I got my first 
> Iphone 4, I also got Otterbox defender for my Ipad mini and for Iphone 6. I 
> have been very satisfied with it so far, but many people keep complaining on 
> Otterbox facebook page, many people say that the rubber part is stretched out 
> after very short time of use (a month or two). Unfortunately, I have 
> experienced it with Otterbox for Iphone 4 and having all the same with Iphone 
> 6 and I really do not like it. But what makes me really upset is the fact 
> that otterbox claim their defender cases are one of the best cases protecting 
> phones, but lately, many people are very frustrated and they say that when 
> they phones drop even from a table, in many situations it happens that the 
> case screen protector is allright, but the phone screen itself is shattered. 
> I am not saying I drop my iphone or ipad every day, but accidents might 
> happen and I'd rather have my iphone protected than having to get a new 
> screen (display). I dropped Iphone 4 a few times, but nothing has happened. I 
> also dropped my Iphone 6 on the grass once since I got it in April and 
> Everything seems to be allright, I have been doing my best to be more careful 
> but reading all complaints on Facebook makes me more worried.
> The otterbox defender cases are quite expensive for me, so it is impossible 
> to buy one every year. Another thing is that Otterbox defender is not 
> available here in Slovakia, so I must order it from abroad and paying extra 
> shipping fees which is sometimes 30 dollars is quite much.
> So does anyone know of any case, something like Otterbox defender which 
> protect the phone the same way or even better? I also use an external 
> battery, so being able to plug the battery when case is on the phone is a 
> must. I do not want a case with battery built-in, I haven't found out any 
> that would protect the phone in similar way like Otterbox does, I mean having 
> a screen protection film and a rubber part, but if there is something like 
> that available and having built-in battery, please let me know.
> I hope I will hear many opinions, suggestions and ideas what cases you use 
> and what you think about otterbox.
> Thank you in advance.
> With kind regards
> Maria
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Re: IPhone and ipad cases again, Please, I need your help

[Michael McKay]

Does anyone on the list, know if blind treasures sells Otter box defender case 
for iPhone 5, and iPhone 6, and 6 plus.

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> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:05, Blind Treasures  wrote:
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> I have personally used dozens of cases and my favorite one of all and the
> one I will always use is the Speck Products CandyShell grip case. Feels
> great in the hand and is very classy looking. Amazon has many of them in
> different colors. Doesn't add much at all to the size of the Iphone.
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Re: iPhone or iPad

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Sorry, search for VO starter

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On 02/05/2013, at 23:14, Ann Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Apparently some of the aps I want are available for iPhone but not iPad.  How 
 do I get to the place on the iPad in the ap store where I can choose iPhone 
 or iPad?  sometimes it's there and sometimes not.  Vo tutorial was available 
 only for iPhone, but works fine on the iPad.  I wanted vo starter but 
 couldn't get it to show up.
 
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Re: iPhone or iPad

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I get 'no search results' when I search for vo starter.  I found Vo 
tutorial by somehow invoking the iPhone search rather than iPad, but 
I can't figure out how I did that.

At 06:54 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote:

Sorry, search for VO starter

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 Apparently some of the aps I want are available for iPhone but 
not iPad.  How do I get to the place on the iPad in the ap store 
where I can choose iPhone or iPad?  sometimes it's there and 
sometimes not.  Vo tutorial was available only for iPhone, but 
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RE: iPhone or iPad

[DJ]

Ann,

Once I'm in the Search field, I can usually flick left to find the buttons
for iPhone and iPad.  VO indicates which of these buttons is selected.

DJ 

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Subject: iPhone or iPad

Apparently some of the aps I want are available for iPhone but not iPad.
How do I get to the place on the iPad in the ap store where I can choose
iPhone or iPad?  sometimes it's there and sometimes not.  Vo tutorial was
available only for iPhone, but works fine on the iPad.  I wanted vo starter
but couldn't get it to show up.

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Re: iPhone vs. iPad

[Rob Harris]

I don't see them as dumb questions,  and since this is all the same iOs and 
app,   unless you do get a snappy faster device, then nothing is going to 
work any faster;  user is the usual speed limitation in truth.  I'd like to 
know about the key command too;  but I can't get the much recommended Rii 
mini bt keyboard  to do the basics of text selection, so no idea how it got 
recommended. It don't do any other basic VO  using the VO keys combination. 
But my mind's wandering; sorry!

R!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:00 AM
Subject: iPhone vs. iPad


Yeah, don't shoot me for asking the same question others have already asked.
I do have a very specific aspect though. I already have an iPhone. I think I
have found a good combination of apps to help me do document editing during
my commute with my Apple Bluetooth keyboard. I want to know if an iPad would
in any way enhance my experience.



1. Is document editing going to be faster?



2. What about switching between apps?



3. Is it possible to use Command + Tab to switch between apps on the iPad,
or is it still necessary to go through the App Switcher? Dumb questions I
know, but I'm picky that way.



I would really appreciate your advice and thoughts. I get most of what I
want on the iPhone. I would take my own advice of just buying an Air to get
the full experience, but laptops aren't allowed at my work site. Ironically,
iPads are allowed in limited circumstances. Thanks in advance.



Joe

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RE: iPhone vs. iPad

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
I'm answering in context of your questions.
 
Yeah, don't shoot me for asking the same question others have already asked.
Bang! (Just kidding.)
 I do have a very specific aspect though. I already have an iPhone. I think
I have found a good combination of apps to help me do document editing
during my commute with my Apple Bluetooth keyboard. I want to know if an
iPad would in any way enhance my experience.

 

1. Is document editing going to be faster? 

Not in my experience.

 

2. What about switching between apps? 

The only difference that I can see is that there is a gesture to bring up
the app switcher on the iPad and then a gesture for switching between apps.
Four finger swipe up opens the app switcher and then four finger swipe left
or right will flick through the apps in the app switcher.  You might save a
few seconds, but is that worth the expense?  That is up to you. 

 

3. Is it possible to use Command + Tab to switch between apps on the iPad,
or is it still necessary to go through the App Switcher?  

Same as on the iPhone.

 Dumb questions I know, but I'm picky that way.

 The only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.

 

HTH,

Richard

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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Rob Harris]

Actually, the Mini wouldn't be that bad; landline phones had handsets that 
big for decades.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad


 holding an iPad to your ear would look pretty odd, so it would not make a
 good phone. :) ha ha
I wonder how much different holding the IPad mini to your ear would be
than some of what these android people insist on for screen size on
their phones! I'm not completely kidding.

On 10/30/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sieghard,

 Although I agree with you that it is an individual choice, I  believe it 
 is
 important to point out that screen size is not the only difference. Apps 
 on
 the iPhone and iPad will in most cases have a different layout. For 
 example,
 the Mail app on the iPad shows the mailboxes or messages on the left half 
 of
 the screen and the contents of the message on the right. This can be very
 useful for rapidly scanning through mail when you want to do more than 
 just
 run through the subject lines. The size of the screen means that you can 
 put
 more content on the screen and in some cases this can be helpful in 
 cutting
 down on the number of times you have to tap through to find features or
 perform certain functions.
 What may change this by reducing the overall screen size, yet keeping the
 layout benefits of the iPad is the iPad Mini.
 So, it has a lot more to do with screen size and you really have to
 determine what your workflow is. I have both devices and find that each 
 has
 its benefits. In fact with the TouchFire keyboard, I can easily use my 
 iPad
 as a mobile option and type quite easily on it. I would not say I'd like 
 to
 type an entire book on it, but hey it would not be impossible either. THe
 nice thing about having the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, etc. is the fact that
 you have options and will have a device that meets your needs. Ok, well
 holding an iPad to your ear would look pretty odd, so it would not make a
 good phone. :) ha ha

 On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to
 answer for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the
 iPad. Some find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad
 screen and for a blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much 
 sense
 as for a sighted person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 inch
 retina display on the iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.

 Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder
 but this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either
 wired, Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone.

 Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 
 7.9
 inch instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn’t sound like much of a
 difference, only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit
 smaller, thinner and lighter.

 I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of
 the large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad
 Mini or for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also
 very nice devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or
 5 you really don’t need anything else. Ultimately it’s your choice 
 whether
 you need or want 2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just go to an
 Apple store and ask them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and iPod 
 Touches.
 It’s easy to turn on Voiceover so you can spend some time with each and
 make up your mind which you like best.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Rob Harris]

Ok, will bow to superior experience,   I'm still trying to save myself a 
wadge of cash for something i'm likely not going to use anything like enough 
to justify it.  That's why the old  iPad original got sold last week. But 
the appeal of the Mini remains something bordering on the obsessive.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad


Rob,

I do not understand what you mean by not being convinced that the iPad 
offers nothing to a VI that the iPhone does not. The fact is you have to 
understand the differences to appreciate how either can benefit anyone 
regardless of their visual status. As I pointed out earlier, the layout of 
an app on the iPhone/iPod Touch may be quite different than the iPad. THis 
may make the use of the app more efficient. So, I'm not clear why you are 
not convinced.

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 I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone 
 doesn't
 do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course, 
 but
 after that?

 R!
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
 Subject: IPhone and IPad


 Hi,



 If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? 
 Are
 there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?

 Tom





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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Scott Howell]

Mary,

I have an iPad 2. Apple shorten the delay when lifting your finger in iOS 6, so 
turning VO off does give you the fastest possible speed for typing; however, 
iOS 6 with the reduced delay really makes it a pleasure to use. Btw, when VO is 
off and you are typing you still hear the clicks.
So, unfortunately you do need an iPad 2 or greater to get iOS 6 and yes that 
was a bummer. My wife has the original iPad, but she is not a VO user.

On Oct 31, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Scott,
 
 Which model ipad do you have? I have the original, and I find that typing on 
 the regular keyboard is a bit laggy between when I touch a key, vo says the 
 letter and I raise my finger to get the letter printed on the screen. This is 
 compared with my 4S and its faster processor. I'm just wondering how that lag 
 might relate to speedy typing on this touch fire keyboard. Although you did 
 say you could turn vo off. I'd want to hear clicks or something to be sure my 
 letter presses were registering, or something.
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Scott Howell]

Then I recommend you set aside the (what seems to be emotional aspect) of this 
decision and consider what you already indicated and that is you would likely 
not use it. So, if you really believe you would not use the iPad Mini, then 
save your money. If you just sold an iPad because you did not use it, then it 
is unlikely you will feel any different after a while of using the iPad Mini.
In fact I would say go have a look at one, walk away for a few days if not a 
week, and then consider whether you would want one then or if nothing else, go 
bak and have another look.


On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:00 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, will bow to superior experience,   I'm still trying to save myself a 
 wadge of cash for something i'm likely not going to use anything like enough 
 to justify it.  That's why the old  iPad original got sold last week. But 
 the appeal of the Mini remains something bordering on the obsessive.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Rob,
 
 I do not understand what you mean by not being convinced that the iPad 
 offers nothing to a VI that the iPhone does not. The fact is you have to 
 understand the differences to appreciate how either can benefit anyone 
 regardless of their visual status. As I pointed out earlier, the layout of 
 an app on the iPhone/iPod Touch may be quite different than the iPad. THis 
 may make the use of the app more efficient. So, I'm not clear why you are 
 not convinced.
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone 
 doesn't
 do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course, 
 but
 after that?
 
 R!
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
 Subject: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? 
 Are
 there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Cheryl Homiak]

I feel the same way. I gave my iPad 1 to a friend; yeah, I liked it okay but it 
wasn't doing anything for me that my iPhone couldn't do and the iPhone was 
right there with me. As for the benefits of the different layouts, that's a 
very individual thing; one person's benefit may be another person's curse! And 
the person who hasn't embraced what may be benefits isn't going to be 
convinced; that's just a matter of personal preference. But I also am drawn by 
the idea of the mini and keep giving myself lectures about how I gave away the 
other iPad. Maybe the mini would carve its own niche in my life, but I have to 
decide whether that's really the best expenditure of my limited financial 
resources and try not to be driven by the appeal of the new, which is like the 
salmon swimming upstream to spawn - not bery easy!

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my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, will bow to superior experience,   I'm still trying to save myself a 
 wadge of cash for something i'm likely not going to use anything like enough 
 to justify it.  That's why the old  iPad original got sold last week. But 
 the appeal of the Mini remains something bordering on the obsessive.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Rob,
 
 I do not understand what you mean by not being convinced that the iPad 
 offers nothing to a VI that the iPhone does not. The fact is you have to 
 understand the differences to appreciate how either can benefit anyone 
 regardless of their visual status. As I pointed out earlier, the layout of 
 an app on the iPhone/iPod Touch may be quite different than the iPad. THis 
 may make the use of the app more efficient. So, I'm not clear why you are 
 not convinced.
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone 
 doesn't
 do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course, 
 but
 after that?
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
 Subject: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? 
 Are
 there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Katey Glass]

I have to agree with what others have said, what is useful for one may
not be useful for another.  I have an iPhone 4S and an iPad 3, and I'm
a low vision user.  I'm also a primary VO user, but, on the iPad there
are times I use Zoom and sometimes use nothing (granted that's for
playing games like Tetris, Words with Friends and Scrabble).  However,
now that I think about it, if I want to see something small on the
screen on either Scrabble or Words With Friends I use Zoom as I keep
it running all the time -- since iOS 6.

However, for myself, I've found that I rather enjoy being able to sit
on the couch and surf the net, read emails and play games as well as
the occational Skype call.  Now, my iPad is significantly newer than
my desktop PC and even my laptop so surfing the web is much smoother
and easier!  Plus, the portability is awesome!  Ive found myself
using it in Church to read along (OK with VO as if I had it enlarged
enough for me to read I'd be lost!) and also once I got the power
points emailed to me for the words in church and was able to use them
instead of my monocular looking at the front screen.

Sizewise it's much lighter than my laptop -- circa 2008.  Plus I can
hold it up close to my face if I need to for short durations.

Now, I do use my iPhone on the go, for surfing and reading emails as
well, but the battery drains much faster than my iPad.  Maybe it's
because the iPad has a larger battery or maybe it's because the iPad
doesn't have a cellular radio as I have a WiFi model.

So, therefore for myself I find myself using my iPad a lot as well as
my iPhone.  As has been stated it's a personal choice and of course
there are battery backups for the iPhone -- one can get a case or an
external backup which I have but it's heavy and I usually only carry
it on trips where I may not be able to charge my phone for a long time
such as on a driving trip on the Grayhound bus.  But... newer buses
have plugs but I don't count on them totally!  LOL

Hope this helps someone.  Feel free to ask me any questions.

katey

On 10/31/12, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feel the same way. I gave my iPad 1 to a friend; yeah, I liked it okay but
 it wasn't doing anything for me that my iPhone couldn't do and the iPhone
 was right there with me. As for the benefits of the different layouts,
 that's a very individual thing; one person's benefit may be another person's
 curse! And the person who hasn't embraced what may be benefits isn't going
 to be convinced; that's just a matter of personal preference. But I also am
 drawn by the idea of the mini and keep giving myself lectures about how I
 gave away the other iPad. Maybe the mini would carve its own niche in my
 life, but I have to decide whether that's really the best expenditure of my
 limited financial resources and try not to be driven by the appeal of the
 new, which is like the salmon swimming upstream to spawn - not bery easy!

 --
 Cheryl

 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



 On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, will bow to superior experience,   I'm still trying to save myself a
 wadge of cash for something i'm likely not going to use anything like
 enough
 to justify it.  That's why the old  iPad original got sold last week. But

 the appeal of the Mini remains something bordering on the obsessive.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:52 PM
 Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad


 Rob,

 I do not understand what you mean by not being convinced that the iPad
 offers nothing to a VI that the iPhone does not. The fact is you have to

 understand the differences to appreciate how either can benefit anyone
 regardless of their visual status. As I pointed out earlier, the layout of

 an app on the iPhone/iPod Touch may be quite different than the iPad. THis

 may make the use of the app more efficient. So, I'm not clear why you are

 not convinced.

 On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone
 doesn't
 do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course,

 but
 after that?

 R!
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom Cramer tom.cram...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
 Subject: IPhone and IPad


 Hi,



 If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference?
 Are
 there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?

 Tom





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RE: IPhone and IPad

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Tom,

 

Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to
answer for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the
iPad. Some find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad
screen and for a blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much sense
as for a sighted person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 inch
retina display on the iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.

 

Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder
but this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either wired,
Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone. 

 

Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 7.9
inch instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn't sound like much of a
difference, only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit smaller,
thinner and lighter.

 

I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of the
large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad Mini or
for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also very nice
devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or 5 you really
don't need anything else. Ultimately it's your choice whether you need or
want 2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just go to an Apple store
and ask them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and iPod Touches. It's easy to
turn on Voiceover so you can spend some time with each and make up your mind
which you like best.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Mich]

Hi Tom from what I understand having a ipad you can do as mutch as you can do 
on the i phone but the i pad is larger. from Mich.
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  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 11:17 PM
  Subject: IPhone and IPad


  Hi,

   

  If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? Are 
there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?  

  Tom

   

   


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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Chris]

Now I like the sound of the mail app for the iPad. Decisions decisions! Lol!


Christopher Hallsworth

On 30/10/2012 11:01, Scott Howell wrote:

Sieghard,

Although I agree with you that it is an individual choice, I  believe it is 
important to point out that screen size is not the only difference. Apps on the 
iPhone and iPad will in most cases have a different layout. For example, the 
Mail app on the iPad shows the mailboxes or messages on the left half of the 
screen and the contents of the message on the right. This can be very useful 
for rapidly scanning through mail when you want to do more than just run 
through the subject lines. The size of the screen means that you can put more 
content on the screen and in some cases this can be helpful in cutting down on 
the number of times you have to tap through to find features or perform certain 
functions.
What may change this by reducing the overall screen size, yet keeping the 
layout benefits of the iPad is the iPad Mini.
So, it has a lot more to do with screen size and you really have to determine 
what your workflow is. I have both devices and find that each has its benefits. 
In fact with the TouchFire keyboard, I can easily use my iPad as a mobile 
option and type quite easily on it. I would not say I'd like to type an entire 
book on it, but hey it would not be impossible either. THe nice thing about 
having the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, etc. is the fact that you have options and 
will have a device that meets your needs. Ok, well holding an iPad to your ear 
would look pretty odd, so it would not make a good phone. :) ha ha

On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


Hi Tom,

Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to answer 
for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the iPad. Some 
find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad screen and for a 
blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much sense as for a sighted 
person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 inch retina display on the 
iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.

Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder but 
this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either wired, 
Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone.

Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 7.9 inch 
instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn’t sound like much of a difference, 
only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit smaller, thinner and 
lighter.

I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of the 
large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad Mini or 
for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also very nice 
devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or 5 you really 
don’t need anything else. Ultimately it’s your choice whether you need or want 
2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just go to an Apple store and ask 
them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and iPod Touches. It’s easy to turn on 
Voiceover so you can spend some time with each and make up your mind which you 
like best.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Rob Harris]

I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone doesn't 
do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course, but 
after that?

R!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
Subject: IPhone and IPad


Hi,



If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? Are
there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?

Tom





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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Rob Harris]

Ok, this is a preference and competence thing between more content or is it 
more complication or confusion to wade through.  I just sold my old iPad, I 
still got the old iPhones. Garage Band and watching Video with some degree 
of sight would benefit from larger screen,   that's about all.  I still 
think the Pad is just a big Pod;   so GPS is largely out and unless you pay 
a big wadge extra, so is 3g or 4g  cellular networking. So you can't use it 
as much away from the home base for the wifi.

R!
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From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad


Sieghard,

Although I agree with you that it is an individual choice, I  believe it is 
important to point out that screen size is not the only difference. Apps on 
the iPhone and iPad will in most cases have a different layout. For example, 
the Mail app on the iPad shows the mailboxes or messages on the left half of 
the screen and the contents of the message on the right. This can be very 
useful for rapidly scanning through mail when you want to do more than just 
run through the subject lines. The size of the screen means that you can put 
more content on the screen and in some cases this can be helpful in cutting 
down on the number of times you have to tap through to find features or 
perform certain functions.
What may change this by reducing the overall screen size, yet keeping the 
layout benefits of the iPad is the iPad Mini.
So, it has a lot more to do with screen size and you really have to 
determine what your workflow is. I have both devices and find that each has 
its benefits. In fact with the TouchFire keyboard, I can easily use my iPad 
as a mobile option and type quite easily on it. I would not say I'd like to 
type an entire book on it, but hey it would not be impossible either. THe 
nice thing about having the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, etc. is the fact that 
you have options and will have a device that meets your needs. Ok, well 
holding an iPad to your ear would look pretty odd, so it would not make a 
good phone. :) ha ha

On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to 
 answer for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the 
 iPad. Some find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad 
 screen and for a blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much sense 
 as for a sighted person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 inch 
 retina display on the iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.

 Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder 
 but this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either 
 wired, Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone.

 Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 7.9 
 inch instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn’t sound like much of a 
 difference, only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit 
 smaller, thinner and lighter.

 I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of 
 the large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad 
 Mini or for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also 
 very nice devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or 
 5 you really don’t need anything else. Ultimately it’s your choice whether 
 you need or want 2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just go to an 
 Apple store and ask them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and iPod Touches. 
 It’s easy to turn on Voiceover so you can spend some time with each and 
 make up your mind which you like best.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Rob Harris]

Get the Mini, good compromise! Make the rest jealous as being the first.
- Original Message - 
From: Chris christopher...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad


Now I like the sound of the mail app for the iPad. Decisions decisions! Lol!


Christopher Hallsworth

On 30/10/2012 11:01, Scott Howell wrote:
 Sieghard,

 Although I agree with you that it is an individual choice, I  believe it 
 is important to point out that screen size is not the only difference. 
 Apps on the iPhone and iPad will in most cases have a different layout. 
 For example, the Mail app on the iPad shows the mailboxes or messages on 
 the left half of the screen and the contents of the message on the right. 
 This can be very useful for rapidly scanning through mail when you want to 
 do more than just run through the subject lines. The size of the screen 
 means that you can put more content on the screen and in some cases this 
 can be helpful in cutting down on the number of times you have to tap 
 through to find features or perform certain functions.
 What may change this by reducing the overall screen size, yet keeping the 
 layout benefits of the iPad is the iPad Mini.
 So, it has a lot more to do with screen size and you really have to 
 determine what your workflow is. I have both devices and find that each 
 has its benefits. In fact with the TouchFire keyboard, I can easily use my 
 iPad as a mobile option and type quite easily on it. I would not say I'd 
 like to type an entire book on it, but hey it would not be impossible 
 either. THe nice thing about having the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, etc. is 
 the fact that you have options and will have a device that meets your 
 needs. Ok, well holding an iPad to your ear would look pretty odd, so it 
 would not make a good phone. :) ha ha

 On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to 
 answer for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the 
 iPad. Some find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad 
 screen and for a blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much 
 sense as for a sighted person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 
 inch retina display on the iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.

 Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder 
 but this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either 
 wired, Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone.

 Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 
 7.9 inch instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn’t sound like much of a 
 difference, only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit 
 smaller, thinner and lighter.

 I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of 
 the large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad 
 Mini or for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also 
 very nice devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or 
 5 you really don’t need anything else. Ultimately it’s your choice 
 whether you need or want 2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just 
 go to an Apple store and ask them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and 
 iPod Touches. It’s easy to turn on Voiceover so you can spend some time 
 with each and make up your mind which you like best.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,

You mentioned having a touch fire keyboard that you use with your iPad. I have 
the Apple BT keyboard and am not familiar with the one you named. Is it 
integral to the iPad or part of an iPad case like the zagmate and others of 
that sort? Just curious.

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Re: IPhone and IPad

[David Chittenden]

Actually, Safari on the iPad identifies itself as desktop rather than mobile. 
Also, It is very different looking at web pages using the iPad's display. With 
some practice, it becomes much easier to bypass all the link bars just by 
touching where the sighted person looks for main content.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 31/10/2012, at 10:16, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Ok, this is a preference and competence thing between more content or is it 
 more complication or confusion to wade through.  I just sold my old iPad, I 
 still got the old iPhones. Garage Band and watching Video with some degree 
 of sight would benefit from larger screen,   that's about all.  I still 
 think the Pad is just a big Pod;   so GPS is largely out and unless you pay 
 a big wadge extra, so is 3g or 4g  cellular networking. So you can't use it 
 as much away from the home base for the wifi.
 
 R!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Sieghard,
 
 Although I agree with you that it is an individual choice, I  believe it is 
 important to point out that screen size is not the only difference. Apps on 
 the iPhone and iPad will in most cases have a different layout. For example, 
 the Mail app on the iPad shows the mailboxes or messages on the left half of 
 the screen and the contents of the message on the right. This can be very 
 useful for rapidly scanning through mail when you want to do more than just 
 run through the subject lines. The size of the screen means that you can put 
 more content on the screen and in some cases this can be helpful in cutting 
 down on the number of times you have to tap through to find features or 
 perform certain functions.
 What may change this by reducing the overall screen size, yet keeping the 
 layout benefits of the iPad is the iPad Mini.
 So, it has a lot more to do with screen size and you really have to 
 determine what your workflow is. I have both devices and find that each has 
 its benefits. In fact with the TouchFire keyboard, I can easily use my iPad 
 as a mobile option and type quite easily on it. I would not say I'd like to 
 type an entire book on it, but hey it would not be impossible either. THe 
 nice thing about having the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, etc. is the fact that 
 you have options and will have a device that meets your needs. Ok, well 
 holding an iPad to your ear would look pretty odd, so it would not make a 
 good phone. :) ha ha
 
 On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Tom,
 
 Whether you would benefit from an iPad is really something you have to 
 answer for yourself. The main difference, of course, is the size of the 
 iPad. Some find it harder to orient themselves on the much larger iPad 
 screen and for a blind person I am not sure if an iPad makes as much sense 
 as for a sighted person who can really enjoy the awesome almost 10 inch 
 retina display on the iPad third Gen and fourth Gen.
 
 Due to the increased size the iPad speaker sounds a big fuller and louder 
 but this of course is easy to fix by using an external speaker either 
 wired, Bluetooth or airplay with your iPhone.
 
 Of course now you have the choice of the iPad Mini as well which has a 7.9 
 inch instead of a 9.7 inch screen. This doesn’t sound like much of a 
 difference, only just under 2 inches, but the device is quite a bit 
 smaller, thinner and lighter.
 
 I could go on and on emphasizing this or that which speaks in favour of 
 the large iPad which now is called the iPad with retina screen, the iPad 
 Mini or for that matter the fifth generation iPod Touches which are also 
 very nice devices. Equally I could argue that if you have an iPhone 4S or 
 5 you really don’t need anything else. Ultimately it’s your choice whether 
 you need or want 2 iDevices and, if you decide you do, then just go to an 
 Apple store and ask them to show you the iPad, iPad Mini and iPod Touches. 
 It’s easy to turn on Voiceover so you can spend some time with each and 
 make up your mind which you like best.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Mary Otten]

There are some apps whose interfaces are different on the iPhone and iPod on 
one hand and iPad on the other. Somebody already talked about the mail app as 
an example. Settings  is another one. Zite, the news aggregator is another. And 
then there are some apps that are iPad only, such as the one from linktv that 
just came out today. I think the iPad mini is going to be just the thing for 
the future iPad purchase I will make when my first generation iPad dies. 
Haven't seen one yet. But I like the idea of the smaller screen but keeping the 
possibility of different interfaces. Sometimes the phone is better, as is the 
case for my local newspaper and the new york Times, which are totally not 
accessible on the iPad, but perfectly fine on the phone. And sometimes, it is 
the other way around. 

Mary

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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Scott Howell]

Rob,

I do not understand what you mean by not being convinced that the iPad offers 
nothing to a VI that the iPhone does not. The fact is you have to understand 
the differences to appreciate how either can benefit anyone regardless of their 
visual status. As I pointed out earlier, the layout of an app on the 
iPhone/iPod Touch may be quite different than the iPad. THis may make the use 
of the app more efficient. So, I'm not clear why you are not convinced. 

On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I'm yet to be convinced that an iPad offers a VI anything an iPhone doesn't 
 do already.  Partially sighted oculd watch video on it easier of course, but 
 after that?
 
 R!
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:17 AM
 Subject: IPhone and IPad
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 If a person has an IPhone would having an IPad make any big difference? Are
 there some major differences between an IPhone and an IPad?
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Scott Howell]

Mary,

The TouchFire was a Kickstarter project. The TouchFire is a keyboard overlay 
that goes over the onscreen keyboard of the iPad. The idea is to provide you a 
more tactile experience when typing. The TouchFire works very well and you can 
get a lot more info at http://www.touchfire.com.
Basically the TouchFire is a rubbery-type material that has nibs that face the 
screen of the iPad (has bumps on F and J) and is held in place by magnets. As 
you touch the screen it activates the characters when you are using the touch 
typing mode. I really like it and I have been able to even turn VO off so I can 
really type up a storm. Of course the error rate goes up a little. :)
Really nice alternative to the bluetooth keyboard.

On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hi Scott,
 
 You mentioned having a touch fire keyboard that you use with your iPad. I 
 have the Apple BT keyboard and am not familiar with the one you named. Is it 
 integral to the iPad or part of an iPad case like the zagmate and others of 
 that sort? Just curious.
 
 Mary
 
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Re: IPhone and IPad

[Mary Otten]

Scott,

Which model ipad do you have? I have the original, and I find that typing on 
the regular keyboard is a bit laggy between when I touch a key, vo says the 
letter and I raise my finger to get the letter printed on the screen. This is 
compared with my 4S and its faster processor. I'm just wondering how that lag 
might relate to speedy typing on this touch fire keyboard. Although you did say 
you could turn vo off. I'd want to hear clicks or something to be sure my 
letter presses were registering, or something.

Mary

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Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi Debbie,

Yes, they are.

Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Debbie April Yuille

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi All

I have both an iPad and an iPhone and I was wondering are both chargers
interchangeable.

Thanks
Debbie

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Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

[Esther]

Hi Debbie,

While you can use the iPhone charger for your iPad, you'll find that your iPad 
will charge very slowly.  The iPad draws 10 watts of power while the iPhone or 
iPod Touch will draw 5 watts.  That means that the iPad charger can be used to 
charge an iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, or even a Nano at its maximum charging 
rate.  On the other hand, while the iPhone charger can charge an iPad, you'll 
find that it will take much longer to reach a full charge.  Here's a link to 
the Apple Knowledge Base article about iPhone and iPod: Using the iPad 10W USB 
Power Adapter:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
It states: The iPad USB Power Adapter is a 10W charger. While designed for use 
with the iPad, you can use the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter to charge all iPhone 
and iPod models by connecting them using a Dock Connector to USB cable.

If I were traveling and only wanted to take one charger to use with both my 
iPhone and my iPad, I would take the charger for my iPad.

This is also the general rule for power adapters for the Apple computers: you 
can use a power adapter that is rated to supply more power than your computer 
requires without problems, but not the other way around.  So you can use the 
power bricks for the MacBook Pro laptops in place of the smaller power bricks 
of the MacBook Air models, but not vice versa if you need a reliable power 
source.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
  
On May 1, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

 Hi Debbie,
 
 Yes, they are.
 
 Lois
 
 -Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille
 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:55 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone and iPad Charging question.
 
 Hi All
 
 I have both an iPad and an iPhone and I was wondering are both chargers
 interchangeable.
 
 Thanks
 Debbie
 

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Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

[Lois Butterfield]

Thanks, Esther,

I knew they both worked and didn't realize they were different.  Is there a 
difference in the feel, do you know?


Thank you,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Esther

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi Debbie,

While you can use the iPhone charger for your iPad, you'll find that your 
iPad will charge very slowly.  The iPad draws 10 watts of power while the 
iPhone or iPod Touch will draw 5 watts.  That means that the iPad charger 
can be used to charge an iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, or even a Nano at its 
maximum charging rate.  On the other hand, while the iPhone charger can 
charge an iPad, you'll find that it will take much longer to reach a full 
charge.  Here's a link to the Apple Knowledge Base article about iPhone and 
iPod: Using the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
It states: The iPad USB Power Adapter is a 10W charger. While designed for 
use with the iPad, you can use the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter to charge all 
iPhone and iPod models by connecting them using a Dock Connector to USB 
cable.


If I were traveling and only wanted to take one charger to use with both my 
iPhone and my iPad, I would take the charger for my iPad.


This is also the general rule for power adapters for the Apple computers: 
you can use a power adapter that is rated to supply more power than your 
computer requires without problems, but not the other way around.  So you 
can use the power bricks for the MacBook Pro laptops in place of the smaller 
power bricks of the MacBook Air models, but not vice versa if you need a 
reliable power source.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 1, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:


Hi Debbie,

Yes, they are.

Lois

-Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi All

I have both an iPad and an iPhone and I was wondering are both chargers
interchangeable.

Thanks
Debbie



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Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

[Esther]

Hi Lois,

For iPhone and iPad models purchased in the US, the chargers that come with the 
devices are different.  The iPhone or iPod Touch charger is a two-pronged cube, 
while the iPad charger is shaped like a miniature version of the power bricks 
used for the Apple computer.  I think that outside the US and Canada the 
current USB charger for the iPhone used for the UK is shaped like a power plug 
with the three prongs, and a slot to plug in the usb connector end of the 
charging cable.

So, in general, the charger for the iPad should be larger than the charger that 
comes with the iPhone or iPod Touch.  However, if you purchase an Apple World 
Travel Adapter kit  these now come with a USB charger as well as 
interchangeable plug heads for different countries.  And that USB charger is 
the 10 watt rated charger that comes with the iPad, since it can be used with 
all portable iOS devices.  If the charger that comes with your iPhone is 
exactly the same size as the charger that come with your iPad, and you're not 
in the US or Canada, then perhaps these are interchangeable.  Otherwise, I'd 
expect the two to be different in size, with the charger for the iPhone being 
smaller.  You would also not be able to use an extension cable with the current 
chargers for the iPhone, although you could with the iPad.  This is the longer 
cord that comes with the power bricks of Apple computers.  You can pull off the 
plug adapter of the USB charger, and connect the extension power cord to it.  
The USB chargers that come with iPads sold in the US just come with the plug 
heads where two prongs flip down, so you can plug the charger into an 
electrical socket.  However, if you purchase a separate iPad charger, it will 
be sold with the extension power cord.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 1, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

 Thanks, Esther,
 
 I knew they both worked and didn't realize they were different.  Is there a 
 difference in the feel, do you know?
 
 Thank you,
 Lois
 
 -Original Message- From: Esther
 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.
 
 Hi Debbie,
 
 While you can use the iPhone charger for your iPad, you'll find that your 
 iPad will charge very slowly.  The iPad draws 10 watts of power while the 
 iPhone or iPod Touch will draw 5 watts.  That means that the iPad charger can 
 be used to charge an iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, or even a Nano at its maximum 
 charging rate.  On the other hand, while the iPhone charger can charge an 
 iPad, you'll find that it will take much longer to reach a full charge.  
 Here's a link to the Apple Knowledge Base article about iPhone and iPod: 
 Using the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter:
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
 It states: The iPad USB Power Adapter is a 10W charger. While designed for 
 use with the iPad, you can use the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter to charge all 
 iPhone and iPod models by connecting them using a Dock Connector to USB 
 cable.
 
 If I were traveling and only wanted to take one charger to use with both my 
 iPhone and my iPad, I would take the charger for my iPad.
 
 This is also the general rule for power adapters for the Apple computers: you 
 can use a power adapter that is rated to supply more power than your computer 
 requires without problems, but not the other way around.  So you can use the 
 power bricks for the MacBook Pro laptops in place of the smaller power bricks 
 of the MacBook Air models, but not vice versa if you need a reliable power 
 source.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On May 1, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:
 
 Hi Debbie,
 
 Yes, they are.
 
 Lois
 
 -Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille
 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:55 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone and iPad Charging question.
 
 Hi All
 
 I have both an iPad and an iPhone and I was wondering are both chargers
 interchangeable.
 
 Thanks
 Debbie
 
 

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Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

[Lois Butterfield]

Thank you.  So it's the part that plugs into the wall that is different, not 
the USB cable.  I appreciate the information.


Thanks again,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Esther

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi Lois,

For iPhone and iPad models purchased in the US, the chargers that come with 
the devices are different.  The iPhone or iPod Touch charger is a 
two-pronged cube, while the iPad charger is shaped like a miniature version 
of the power bricks used for the Apple computer.  I think that outside the 
US and Canada the current USB charger for the iPhone used for the UK is 
shaped like a power plug with the three prongs, and a slot to plug in the 
usb connector end of the charging cable.


So, in general, the charger for the iPad should be larger than the charger 
that comes with the iPhone or iPod Touch.  However, if you purchase an Apple 
World Travel Adapter kit  these now come with a USB charger as well as 
interchangeable plug heads for different countries.  And that USB charger is 
the 10 watt rated charger that comes with the iPad, since it can be used 
with all portable iOS devices.  If the charger that comes with your iPhone 
is exactly the same size as the charger that come with your iPad, and you're 
not in the US or Canada, then perhaps these are interchangeable.  Otherwise, 
I'd expect the two to be different in size, with the charger for the iPhone 
being smaller.  You would also not be able to use an extension cable with 
the current chargers for the iPhone, although you could with the iPad.  This 
is the longer cord that comes with the power bricks of Apple computers.  You 
can pull off the plug adapter of the USB charger, and connect the extension 
power cord to it.  The USB chargers that come with iPads sold in the US just 
come with the plug heads where two prongs flip down, so you can plug the 
charger into an electrical socket.  However, if you purchase a separate iPad 
charger, it will be sold with the extension power cord.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 1, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:


Thanks, Esther,

I knew they both worked and didn't realize they were different.  Is there 
a difference in the feel, do you know?


Thank you,
Lois

-Original Message- From: Esther
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 5:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi Debbie,

While you can use the iPhone charger for your iPad, you'll find that your 
iPad will charge very slowly.  The iPad draws 10 watts of power while the 
iPhone or iPod Touch will draw 5 watts.  That means that the iPad charger 
can be used to charge an iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, or even a Nano at its 
maximum charging rate.  On the other hand, while the iPhone charger can 
charge an iPad, you'll find that it will take much longer to reach a full 
charge.  Here's a link to the Apple Knowledge Base article about iPhone 
and iPod: Using the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
It states: The iPad USB Power Adapter is a 10W charger. While designed 
for use with the iPad, you can use the iPad 10W USB Power Adapter to 
charge all iPhone and iPod models by connecting them using a Dock 
Connector to USB cable.


If I were traveling and only wanted to take one charger to use with both 
my iPhone and my iPad, I would take the charger for my iPad.


This is also the general rule for power adapters for the Apple computers: 
you can use a power adapter that is rated to supply more power than your 
computer requires without problems, but not the other way around.  So you 
can use the power bricks for the MacBook Pro laptops in place of the 
smaller power bricks of the MacBook Air models, but not vice versa if you 
need a reliable power source.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 1, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Lois Butterfield wrote:


Hi Debbie,

Yes, they are.

Lois

-Original Message- From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone and iPad Charging question.

Hi All

I have both an iPad and an iPhone and I was wondering are both chargers
interchangeable.

Thanks
Debbie





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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Kevin Barry]

It's fair to say most IOS apps of any kind are highly visual in nature.
That doesn't mean that they are more or less accessible because of it.

At 09:34 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:

Hi,

Most apps that are just made exclusively for the iPad are done to 
take advantage of the larger display.  So, I think its fair to say 
that These apps are often highly visual in nature?  And I've been 
using IOS since 2009, and have bought a lot of apps.  Its been my 
experience that the more an app developer goes for stunning 
graphics, etc etc, there is a less likely hood of it being 
accessible with voiceover.  I do not think this is a grand over 
generalization.  Its not like I said, most people in the U.S. will 
buy a pair of pants.  Sigh.


Ricardo Walker
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:

 A grand over generalization.

 At 08:11 AM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
 This is true. I find in many of these cases, most of those apps 
end up not being accessible anyway. lol. Go figure.


 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
for...@talknav.com wrote:


  Ricardo,
 
  Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some 
apps which require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.

 
  so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I 
hear people giving their views on the differences.

 
 
  Regards,
 
  Neil Barnfather
 
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  accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
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  On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad 
won't do anything you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G 
connectivity.  But this will probably be on the iPhone coming out 
later this year.  Some prefer the bigger screen for typing.  This I 
can understand.  Especially if they get a case with a built in 
keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.

 
  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
  Twitter:@apple2thecore
  www.appletothecore.info
 
  On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle 
danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com wrote:

 
  Hi all,
 
  what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I 
know the screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you 
already had an iPhone?

 
  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I 
really want to know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save 
up for a mac. I already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to 
be because it can do more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.

 
  for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on 
a mac as it's more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the 
iPad the same as the iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, 
because it uses the same app store, but I'd love to hear from 
people if they can share experiences and/or opinions and comparisons.

 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  best wishes,
 
  Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Ricardo Walker]

Thats true.  Whats your point.  I don't believe I said anything to the contrary 
about IOS apps in general.
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On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's fair to say most IOS apps of any kind are highly visual in nature.
 That doesn't mean that they are more or less accessible because of it.
 
 At 09:34 PM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Most apps that are just made exclusively for the iPad are done to take 
 advantage of the larger display.  So, I think its fair to say that These 
 apps are often highly visual in nature?  And I've been using IOS since 2009, 
 and have bought a lot of apps.  Its been my experience that the more an app 
 developer goes for stunning graphics, etc etc, there is a less likely hood 
 of it being accessible with voiceover.  I do not think this is a grand over 
 generalization.  Its not like I said, most people in the U.S. will buy a 
 pair of pants.  Sigh.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  A grand over generalization.
 
  At 08:11 AM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
  This is true. I find in many of these cases, most of those apps end up 
  not being accessible anyway. lol. Go figure.
 
  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
  Twitter:@apple2thecore
  www.appletothecore.info
 
  On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  for...@talknav.com wrote:
 
   Ricardo,
  
   Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some apps 
   which require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.
  
   so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I hear 
   people giving their views on the differences.
  
  
   Regards,
  
   Neil Barnfather
  
   Talks List Administrator
   Twitter @neilbarnfather
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   TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
   accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
  
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   On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do 
   anything you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity. 
But this will probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  
   Some prefer the bigger screen for typing.  This I can understand.  
   Especially if they get a case with a built in keyboard.  This 
   essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.
  
   Ricardo Walker
   rica...@appletothecore.info
   Twitter:@apple2thecore
   www.appletothecore.info
  
   On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle 
   danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
   Hi all,
  
   what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
   screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had 
   an iPhone?
  
   Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want 
   to know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I 
   already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can 
   do more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.
  
   for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as 
   it's more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the 
   same as the iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses 
   the same app store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share 
   experiences and/or opinions and comparisons.
  
   Thanks in advance.
  
   best wishes,
  
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Ricardo,

Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some apps which 
require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.

so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I hear people 
giving their views on the differences.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do anything you 
can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  But this will 
probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some prefer the bigger 
screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially if they get a case with 
a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.  

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the screen 
 is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an iPhone?
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
 know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already 
 have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or 
 different things, or ttthere's no point.
 
 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's 
 more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the 
 iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app store, 
 but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or 
 opinions and comparisons.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 best wishes,
 
 Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Ricardo Walker]

This is true. I find in many of these cases, most of those apps end up not 
being accessible anyway. lol. Go figure.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com 
wrote:

 Ricardo,
 
 Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some apps which 
 require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.
 
 so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I hear people 
 giving their views on the differences.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 www.neilbarnfather.com
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 
 On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do anything 
 you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  But this will 
 probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some prefer the bigger 
 screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially if they get a case 
 with a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
 screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an 
 iPhone?
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
 know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already 
 have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or 
 different things, or ttthere's no point.
 
 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's 
 more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the 
 iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app 
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or 
 opinions and comparisons.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 best wishes,
 
 Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Christopher Chaltain]

When I signed up for iBooks, I think I saw that the interactive text
books are only available for the iPad. Also, on this list, I think I
remember someone saying that by default the iPhone brings up the mobile
version of a web site while the iPad brings up the normal site.

On 19/04/12 05:23, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
 Ricardo,
 
 Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some apps which 
 require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.
 
 so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I hear people 
 giving their views on the differences.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 www.neilbarnfather.com
 
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 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
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 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 
 On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do anything 
 you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  But this will 
 probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some prefer the bigger 
 screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially if they get a case 
 with a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,

 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
 screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an 
 iPhone?

 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
 know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already 
 have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or 
 different things, or ttthere's no point.

 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's 
 more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the 
 iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app 
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or 
 opinions and comparisons.

 Thanks in advance.

 best wishes,

 Danielle
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Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Sieghard]

Hi Debbie,

I just wanted to correct you on one point just so people who read your
post aren't confused. As of the release of the iPhone 4S last October,
you can get a 64 Gig iPhone, so getting an iPad mainly because you
want more space is not necessary any more. There were rumours that the
new iPad may come in a 128 Gig version but that has, of course, not
happened.

I personally find the larger screen size can be good and bad. Yes, the
keyboard is much bigger and sometimes it's nice to have that extra
space, but the screen layout is also different in some cases and when
I bought an iPad for my Mom last year I used it for about 2 weeks to
set it up and so on and I sometimes found it harder to find stuff on
the screen because it is larger. This probably is a matter of
practice, but I don't see much of a point in owning both an iPhone and
iPad, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Pablo Sandoval]

is there a messaging app on the IPad?
Just curious, I assume not, but still would like to know.

- Original Message - 
From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?


Hi,

Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do anything 
you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  But this 
will probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some prefer the 
bigger screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially if they get a 
case with a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a 
netbook.


Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com 
wrote:



Hi all,

what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an 
iPhone?


Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I 
already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do 
more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.


for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's 
more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the 
iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app 
store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences 
and/or opinions and comparisons.


Thanks in advance.

best wishes,

Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Pablo Sandoval]

awsome thank you very much :D.

- Original Message - 
From: Nancy M nmira...@gmail.com

To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?


Yes, there is a messaging app.  It works over wi-fi.

On Apr 19, 4:31 pm, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:

is there a messaging app on the IPad?
Just curious, I assume not, but still would like to know.







- Original Message -
From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

Hi,

Honestly, its just a personal preference thing. The iPad won't do anything
you can't do on an iPhone. Well, except have 4G connectivity. But this
will probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year. Some prefer the
bigger screen for typing. This I can understand. Especially if they get a
case with a built in keyboard. This essentially turns the iPad into a
netbook.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info

On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle 
danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com

wrote:

 Hi all,

 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the
 screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had 
 an

 iPhone?

 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to
 know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I
 already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do
 more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.

 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as 
 it's
 more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as 
 the

 iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences
 and/or opinions and comparisons.

 Thanks in advance.

 best wishes,

 Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Nancy M]

please note that you can do phone calls over the ipad as well using
Skype and your wi-fi. And Skype will also send SMS messages just like
the native iPad message facility does.

On Apr 19, 4:35 pm, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:
 awsome thank you very much :D.







 - Original Message -
 From: Nancy M nmira...@gmail.com
 To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

 Yes, there is a messaging app.  It works over wi-fi.

 On Apr 19, 4:31 pm, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:
  is there a messaging app on the IPad?
  Just curious, I assume not, but still would like to know.

  - Original Message -
  From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 PM
  Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

  Hi,

  Honestly, its just a personal preference thing. The iPad won't do anything
  you can't do on an iPhone. Well, except have 4G connectivity. But this
  will probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year. Some prefer the
  bigger screen for typing. This I can understand. Especially if they get a
  case with a built in keyboard. This essentially turns the iPad into a
  netbook.

  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
  Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info

  On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle
  danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com
  wrote:

   Hi all,

   what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the
   screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had
   an
   iPhone?

   Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to
   know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I
   already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do
   more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.

   for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as
   it's
   more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as
   the
   iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
   store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences
   and/or opinions and comparisons.

   Thanks in advance.

   best wishes,

   Danielle
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RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Cristobal]

I'll be getting an iPad in the short future and along the same line, would
one also be able to make and or receive calls via Google Voice?

Thanks,
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Of Nancy M
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:40 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

please note that you can do phone calls over the ipad as well using Skype
and your wi-fi. And Skype will also send SMS messages just like the native
iPad message facility does.

On Apr 19, 4:35 pm, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:
 awsome thank you very much :D.







 - Original Message -
 From: Nancy M nmira...@gmail.com
 To: VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

 Yes, there is a messaging app.  It works over wi-fi.

 On Apr 19, 4:31 pm, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:
  is there a messaging app on the IPad?
  Just curious, I assume not, but still would like to know.

  - Original Message -
  From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 PM
  Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

  Hi,

  Honestly, its just a personal preference thing. The iPad won't do 
  anything you can't do on an iPhone. Well, except have 4G 
  connectivity. But this will probably be on the iPhone coming out 
  later this year. Some prefer the bigger screen for typing. This I 
  can understand. Especially if they get a case with a built in 
  keyboard. This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.

  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
  Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info

  On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle 
  danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com
  wrote:

   Hi all,

   what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know 
   the screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you 
   already had an iPhone?

   Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really 
   want to know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for 
   a mac. I already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be 
   because it can do more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.

   for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac 
   as it's more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad 
   the same as the iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because 
   it uses the same app store, but I'd love to hear from people if 
   they can share experiences and/or opinions and comparisons.

   Thanks in advance.

   best wishes,

   Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Most apps that are just made exclusively for the iPad are done to take 
advantage of the larger display.  So, I think its fair to say that These apps 
are often highly visual in nature?  And I've been using IOS since 2009, and 
have bought a lot of apps.  Its been my experience that the more an app 
developer goes for stunning graphics, etc etc, there is a less likely hood of 
it being accessible with voiceover.  I do not think this is a grand over 
generalization.  Its not like I said, most people in the U.S. will buy a pair 
of pants.  Sigh.

Ricardo Walker
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:

 A grand over generalization.
 
 At 08:11 AM 4/19/2012, you wrote:
 This is true. I find in many of these cases, most of those apps end up not 
 being accessible anyway. lol. Go figure.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com 
 wrote:
 
  Ricardo,
 
  Please don't forget, as it is often overlooked, there are some apps which 
  require an ipad, a lot of full content newspapers are like that.
 
  so, this is a key difference which is often overlooked when I hear people 
  giving their views on the differences.
 
 
  Regards,
 
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  On 18 Apr 2012, at 04:13, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do 
  anything you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  
  But this will probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some 
  prefer the bigger screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially 
  if they get a case with a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the 
  iPad into a netbook.
 
  Ricardo Walker
  rica...@appletothecore.info
  Twitter:@apple2thecore
  www.appletothecore.info
 
  On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle 
  danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
  screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an 
  iPhone?
 
  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
  know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I 
  already have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do 
  more, or different things, or ttthere's no point.
 
  for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as 
  it's more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same 
  as the iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same 
  app store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences 
  and/or opinions and comparisons.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  best wishes,
 
  Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Ricardo Walker]

Sure,

iMessage.

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On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Pablo Sandoval ps8...@hotmail.com wrote:

 is there a messaging app on the IPad?
 Just curious, I assume not, but still would like to know.
 
 - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Honestly, its just a personal preference thing.  The iPad won't do anything 
 you can't do on an iPhone.  Well, except have 4G connectivity.  But this will 
 probably be on the iPhone coming out later this year.  Some prefer the bigger 
 screen for typing.  This I can understand.  Especially if they get a case 
 with a built in keyboard.  This essentially turns the iPad into a netbook.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Danielle danielle.mcculloug...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the 
 screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an 
 iPhone?
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to 
 know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already 
 have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or 
 different things, or ttthere's no point.
 
 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's 
 more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the 
 iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app 
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or 
 opinions and comparisons.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 best wishes,
 
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RE: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Kevin Barry]

Not so, you can hit the 2x button and have it expand to take up the 
whole screen.

Resolution will not improve but it will use more of the screen.

At 12:15 AM 4/18/2012, you wrote:

Yeah!  But they will only use the amount of the screen that an iPhone would
use.  That wouldn't matter to a person who had no vision, but it certainly
would matter to someone who does.

Andy


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

Hi,

One correction.  Although there are apps just made for the iPad, any app
that runs on an iPhone can run on an iPad.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Roger Frischenmeyer
thejayhawk...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I believe that to a major degree it will come down to a personal
preference. For me, I disagree with almost everything Debbie said. Yes the
Ipad has a bigger screen, that is where our agreement ends. The Iphone 4s
does come with a 64 mb model so the ipad doesn't have a larger memory than
the biggist iphone. I find the larger screen much less user friendly and can
type about twice as fast on an iphone versus an ipad. You can use a blue
tooth keyboard with either divice and there are some apps that are
specificly made for  the ipad and some specificly made for the iphone, but
overall, in my opinion, I see no reason to purchase an ipad if you already
own the iphone because it really doesn't do much you can't already do. Roger
 - Original Message -
 From: Debbie April Yuille
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:43 PM
 Subject: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

 Hi

 I have used an iPhone as well as my iPad and I can tell you that the iPad
is a lot easier to use than the iPhone as the screen has a lot more room for
gestures and the keyboard is much bigger which makes typing a lot quicker.
Another advantage is that it can come with up to 64 GB of storage double the
highest amount the iPhone provides. As well the sound is even clear than the
iPhone which is saying something as the iPhone has quite good sound.

 Also if you want a laptop-like experience with your iPad you can get a
case with a built-in Bluetooth keyboard. I don't think Apple sell them but
I've googled for them and they are quite a few cases out that that do that
sort of thing.

 Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a lovely phone and that's what I will be
getting quite soon but if you are wanting something with more power and ease
of use for navigating the screen and keyboard then the iPad is for you. In
fact I think that it would complement the iPhone quite nicely. I know I sure
am looking forward to having both an iPad and an iPhone.

 Debbie
 (A proud owner of an iPad)

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Danielle
 Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:00 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone versus iPad?

 Hi all,

 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the
screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an
iPhone?

 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to
know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already
have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or
different things, or ttthere's no point.

 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's
more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the
iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or
opinions and comparisons.

 Thanks in advance.

 best wishes,

 Danielle
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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Nancy M]

One difference between the two devices is that the iPhone can vibrate,
the iPad cannot

If you suffer from hearing impairment, this may be significant.

The iPhone has an option for using vibrate to announce phone calls and
vibration is available to the designer as a signaling option.  We use
the vibration, for instance, to indicate that a bar code was found
during scanning and is being sent to the host for resolution.

On the iPad, this instruction is ignored by the device and no
vibration is produced.

N



On Apr 18, 6:50 am, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
wrote:
 Screen is bigger so, if you like writing in larger spaces ... and the big 
 selling point for the 3 is the retina display, so no use if you don't see it. 
  IPad doesn't have its own clock, I don't think.

 I've decided not to bother for the moment anyway as my phone and pod do me 
 just fine.

 Hope this is helpful.

 --
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  Original Message 
 From: Danielle
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:00 AM
 Subject: iPhone versus iPad?

  Hi all,

  what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an
  iPhone? I know the screen is bigger, etcetc, but why
  would you get one if you already had an iPhone?

  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I
  really want to know. I'm wondering whether to get an
  iPad, or save up for a mac. I already have a 4S, and
  whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more,
  or different things, or ttthere's no point.

  for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages
  on a mac as it's more accessible than it is on the
  iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the iPhone? I would
  assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
  store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share
  experiences and/or opinions and comparisons.

  Thanks in advance.

  best wishes,

  Danielle
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RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Debbie April Yuille]

It has an internal clock that shows you the time in the status bar but
unfortunately it doesn't come with the fantastic clock the iPhone has
already built-in. You can, however get the very same clock designed just for
the iPad.

 

Debbie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 9:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone versus iPad?

 

Screen is bigger so, if you like writing in larger spaces ... and the big
selling point for the 3 is the retina display, so no use if you don't see
it.  IPad doesn't have its own clock, I don't think.

 

I've decided not to bother for the moment anyway as my phone and pod do me
just fine.

 

Hope this is helpful.

 

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 Original Message 
From: Danielle
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:00 AM
Subject: iPhone versus iPad?

 Hi all,
 
 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an
 iPhone? I know the screen is bigger, etcetc, but why
 would you get one if you already had an iPhone?  
 
 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I
 really want to know. I'm wondering whether to get an
 iPad, or save up for a mac. I already have a 4S, and
 whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more,
 or different things, or ttthere's no point.
 
 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages
 on a mac as it's more accessible than it is on the
 iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the iPhone? I would
 assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share
 experiences and/or opinions and comparisons. 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 best wishes,
 
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RE: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Debbie April Yuille]

Can you? I thought it was just the iPod Touch that came with 64.

 

Debbie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of fred olver
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

 

The Iphone can come with up to 64GB of storage as well.

 

Fred Olver

 

- Original Message - 

From: Debbie April Yuille mailto:debbieyui...@bigpond.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:43 PM

Subject: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

 

Hi

 

I have used an iPhone as well as my iPad and I can tell you that the iPad is
a lot easier to use than the iPhone as the screen has a lot more room for
gestures and the keyboard is much bigger which makes typing a lot quicker.
Another advantage is that it can come with up to 64 GB of storage double the
highest amount the iPhone provides. As well the sound is even clear than the
iPhone which is saying something as the iPhone has quite good sound. 

 

Also if you want a laptop-like experience with your iPad you can get a case
with a built-in Bluetooth keyboard. I don't think Apple sell them but I've
googled for them and they are quite a few cases out that that do that sort
of thing.

 

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a lovely phone and that's what I will be
getting quite soon but if you are wanting something with more power and ease
of use for navigating the screen and keyboard then the iPad is for you. In
fact I think that it would complement the iPhone quite nicely. I know I sure
am looking forward to having both an iPad and an iPhone. 

 

Debbie

(A proud owner of an iPad)

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Danielle
Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone versus iPad?

 

Hi all,

what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an iPhone? I know the
screen is bigger, etcetc, but why would you get one if you already had an
iPhone?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I really want to
know. I'm wondering whether to get an iPad, or save up for a mac. I already
have a 4S, and whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more, or
different things, or ttthere's no point.

for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages on a mac as it's
more accessible than it is on the iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the
iPhone? I would assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share experiences and/or
opinions and comparisons.

Thanks in advance.

best wishes,

Danielle
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Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

[Nancy M]

The iPad does not vibrate; the iPhone does.

The iPhone uses vibration to announce phone calls and the vibration
option is available for developers as well (we use it, for instance,
to indicate when a code is scanned).

If you have a hearing issue, you might want to consider this when
selecting which product you want.

N


On Apr 18, 8:14 am, Debbie April Yuille debbieyui...@bigpond.com
wrote:
 Ah, cool I didn't know the four s went up to a 64 moddle. Apple sure kept
 that quite in Australia lol.

 Debbie







 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

 Of Raul A. Gallegos
 Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:58 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus iPad?

 Hi Debbie, I have the iPhone 4s and it's most definitely the 64gb model.
 Now, what you might be thinking of is the iPhone 4. I believe that one
 only went up to a 32gb model.

 Thanks.

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 On 4/18/2012 8:27 AM, Debbie April Yuille wrote:
  Can you? I thought it was just the iPod Touch that came with 64.

  Debbie

  *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
  Behalf Of *fred olver
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  *Subject:* Re: My thoughts on an iPad and iPhone was RE: iPhone versus
 iPad?

  The Iphone can come with up to 64GB of storage as well.

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Re: iPhone versus iPad?

[Kevin Barry]

It most certainly does have a clock.

At 07:50 AM 4/18/2012, you wrote:
Screen is bigger so, if you like writing in larger spaces ... and 
the big selling point for the 3 is the retina display, so no use if 
you don't see it.  IPad doesn't have its own clock, I don't think.


I've decided not to bother for the moment anyway as my phone and pod 
do me just fine.


Hope this is helpful.

--
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 Original Message 
From: Danielle
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:00 AM
Subject: iPhone versus iPad?

 Hi all,

 what can you do with an iPad that you can't with an
 iPhone? I know the screen is bigger, etcetc, but why
 would you get one if you already had an iPhone?

 Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a war, lol. I
 really want to know. I'm wondering whether to get an
 iPad, or save up for a mac. I already have a 4S, and
 whatever I get, I want it to be because it can do more,
 or different things, or ttthere's no point.

 for example, I have heard that you can do more with pages
 on a mac as it's more accessible than it is on the
 iPhone, but is the iPad the same as the iPhone? I would
 assume the answer is yes, because it uses the same app
 store, but I'd love to hear from people if they can share
 experiences and/or opinions and comparisons.

 Thanks in advance.

 best wishes,

 Danielle
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