[Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
Stress alters children's genomes Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting telomeres in nine-year-olds. http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997
Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
This early life stress also depresses brain connections between the pre frontal cortex and the emotional centers of the brain leading to poor or even a complete loss of emotional control later on in life. Stressed youth will be more likely to end up in prison due to uncontrolled emotional excursions On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:24 PM, H Veeder wrote: > Stress alters children's genomes > > Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting > telomeres in nine-year-olds. > > http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997 >
[Vo]:anti-gravity
http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html *Stiff challenge to spacetime* A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by general relativity. It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity).
Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
- Original Message - From: H Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes Stress alters children's genomes Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting telomeres in nine-year-olds. http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997
[Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ This now says only: "Account Suspended This Account Has Been Suspended" I suppose this is because they did not pay the ISP. Maybe not, because it costs little to maintain a web site these days. I pay for LENR-CANR.org once a year. My ISP bill comes due on April Fool's Day, which seems appropriate. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
It might be possible by using nano-engineering tools to align the huge nano sized magnetic fields produce by billions of individual nano sized LENR NAE to produce an anti-gravity effect. Such an aliment process would be similar in concept to how the magnetic alignment of the spin components of iron atoms is aligned in a singular direction. Billions of individual anaople magnetic fields could all be aligned so that the individual field lines combine in a collective way and all be powered by a inexhaustible LENR power source. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html > > *Stiff challenge to spacetime* > > A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional > character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along > straight intense magnetic field lines. > > What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space > warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by > general relativity. > > It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that > a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity). > > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
Additional information on telomere shortening: Telomerase, an enzyme maintaining the telomeres of eukaryotic chromosomes, is active in most human cancers and in germline cells but, with few exceptions, not in normal human somatic tissues. Telomeres on cancer cell chromosomes do not shorten at each cell division, unlike normal cells which eventually die because of multiple cell divisions. Thus, telomere maintenance is essential to the replicative potential of malignant cells. The inhibition of telomerase can lead to telomere shortening and cessation of unrestrained proliferation of cancer cells and death of cancer cells. The normal shortening also is thought to be a function of the immune system in allowing immune system identification of virus infected cells and immunization of healthy cells from attack by the virus. Since cancer cells do not respond to this immunization process to protect themselves, (they do not give up part of their telomeres upon dividing) they can be attacked by viruses and killed. If one's body is immune to a virus, cancer cells in that body may not be immune. For example, vaccinia virus, used for small pox vaccination, will attack cancer cells and cause them to die out, however, the virus does not attack normal cells of the immunized body. This understanding of cell replication and the function of shortening telomeres has lead to a cancer treatment using common viruses to selectively attack cancer cells. Complete recovery from cancer--a cure--seemed apparent.Side effects were nil. Bob . - Original Message - From: H Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes Stress alters children's genomes Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting telomeres in nine-year-olds. http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997
Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
Bob, Combining what the article says and what you says suggests to me that some childhood stress can reduce the risk of cancer. Is this a reasonable inference? harry On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Additional information on telomere shortening: > > Telomerase, an enzyme maintaining the telomeres of eukaryotic chromosomes, > is active in most human cancers and in germline cells but, with few > exceptions, not in normal human somatic tissues. Telomeres on cancer cell > chromosomes do not shorten at each cell division, unlike normal cells > which eventually die because of multiple cell divisions. > > Thus, telomere maintenance is essential to the replicative potential of > malignant cells. The inhibition of telomerase can lead to telomere > shortening and cessation of unrestrained proliferation of cancer cells and > death of cancer cells. > > The normal shortening also is thought to be a function of the immune > system in allowing immune system identification of virus infected cells and > immunization of healthy cells from attack by the virus. > > Since cancer cells do not respond to this immunization process to protect > themselves, (they do not give up part of their telomeres upon > dividing) they can be attacked by viruses and killed. > > If one's body is immune to a virus, cancer cells in that body may not be > immune. For example, vaccinia virus, used for small pox vaccination, will > attack cancer cells and cause them to die out, however, the virus does not > attack normal cells of the immunized body. > > This understanding of cell replication and the function of shortening > telomeres has lead to a cancer treatment using common viruses to > selectively attack cancer cells. Complete recovery from cancer--a > cure--seemed apparent.Side effects were nil. > > > > Bob > . > > > - Original Message - > *From:* H Veeder > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:24 AM > *Subject:* [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes > > Stress alters children's genomes > > Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting > telomeres in nine-year-olds. > > http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997 > >
Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes
Harry-- That crossed my mind, however, I do not understand a mechanism for reducing cancer. If anything the shorter telomeres from youth only mean that their cells will die off sooner than otherwise as normal replication proceeds, and hence, organs will wear out sooner. I think it takes another change to the genetics of a good cell to turn it into a cancer cell. For example, a gene that normally inhibits the production of telomerase in that cell would be damaged and allow the production of telomerase and hence the continued production of run away cells--cancer. Viruses may in fact act to turn telomere production in a cell to help the virus survive and replicate. For a long time the telomeres on the ends of chromosomes were thought to have no function. It turned out this idea was wrong. Bob - Original Message - From: H Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes Bob, Combining what the article says and what you says suggests to me that some childhood stress can reduce the risk of cancer. Is this a reasonable inference? harry On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Additional information on telomere shortening: Telomerase, an enzyme maintaining the telomeres of eukaryotic chromosomes, is active in most human cancers and in germline cells but, with few exceptions, not in normal human somatic tissues. Telomeres on cancer cell chromosomes do not shorten at each cell division, unlike normal cells which eventually die because of multiple cell divisions. Thus, telomere maintenance is essential to the replicative potential of malignant cells. The inhibition of telomerase can lead to telomere shortening and cessation of unrestrained proliferation of cancer cells and death of cancer cells. The normal shortening also is thought to be a function of the immune system in allowing immune system identification of virus infected cells and immunization of healthy cells from attack by the virus. Since cancer cells do not respond to this immunization process to protect themselves, (they do not give up part of their telomeres upon dividing) they can be attacked by viruses and killed. If one's body is immune to a virus, cancer cells in that body may not be immune. For example, vaccinia virus, used for small pox vaccination, will attack cancer cells and cause them to die out, however, the virus does not attack normal cells of the immunized body. This understanding of cell replication and the function of shortening telomeres has lead to a cancer treatment using common viruses to selectively attack cancer cells. Complete recovery from cancer--a cure--seemed apparent. Side effects were nil. Bob . - Original Message - From: H Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: [Vo]:OT: Stress alters children's genomes Stress alters children's genomes Poverty and unstable family environments shorten chromosome-protecting telomeres in nine-year-olds. http://www.nature.com/news/stress-alters-children-s-genomes-1.14997
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Whois tells me they are hosted here: http://www.liquidweb.com/web-hosting/ The most expensive plan is $40 a month. I doubt they are so broke they can't even pay that. But who knows. They are not good at paying bills. The domain registry expires in 2016. The ISP Knowledge Base says: *Shared Hosting Disadvantages*: If the account bandwidth limit is exceeded the account is suspended until the end of the month, or until the account is upgraded. Liquid Web will not install 3rd party applications or scripts that require root level configurations, as the stability of the server could be affected. Because of the number of users all utilizing the same server Liquid Web is very proactive at suspending accounts that overload the server. Below is a small excerpt from the Liquid Web Shared Hosting Terms of Service covering limitations of resource usage: Limitations on Use*:* Any account using 15% or more of the server CPU or memory can be suspended and/or terminated. Any account that uses excessive amounts of bandwidth can and will be subjected to bandwidth throttling. I doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. I have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism. Does anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of the anti gravity systems actually function? Better yet, how many among the group believe that this is possible or have witnessed a demonstration? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html Stiff challenge to spacetime A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by general relativity. It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
What a crusade to badmouth DGT! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Daniel Rocha wrote: What a crusade to badmouth DGT! > They are badmouthing themselves. All of their problems are of their own making. I and others bent over backwards to accommodate them, as described in Lewan's book. Anyway, this has nothing to do with that. I am just curious about this latest web-page problem. It is displaying /cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi, which is built into the ISP file structure. Some person or some event at the ISP triggered the redirect. It could be the files are corrupt or were accidentally erased, or some other temporary problem. It is not a server problem. This could be triggered by a DDoS attack but I doubt anyone would bother. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Yes, and you make sure everyone knows and you drive your own conclusion as it can be noticed here: " doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page." One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. Maybe they do have people that want to spy them and were actually doing that. And so on. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm Anti-gravity Effect? Gravitational Equivalent Of A Magnetic Field Measured In Lab It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de Matos. Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth's gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein's General Relativity predicts. Initially, the researchers were reluctant to believe their own results. "We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years and discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement," says Tajmar, who performed the experiments and hopes that other physicists will conduct their own versions of the experiment in order to verify the findings and rule out a facility induced effect. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM, David Roberson wrote: > This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. > I have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge > through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby > objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism. Does > anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of the anti gravity systems > actually function? Better yet, how many among the group believe that this > is possible or have witnessed a demonstration? > > Dave > -Original Message- > From: Axil Axil > To: vortex-l > Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm > Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity > > http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html > *Stiff challenge to spacetime* > A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 > dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the > vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. > What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space > warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by > general relativity. > It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that > a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity). > > > >
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
Miley shadowed that th NAE is superconducting. A LENR Ni/H reactor rotating at high speed will contain billions of high strength magnetic superconducting sources capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm > > Anti-gravity Effect? Gravitational Equivalent Of A Magnetic Field Measured > In Lab > > It demonstrates that a superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating > a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational > counterpart of the magnetic coil. Depending on further confirmation, this > effect could form the basis for a new technological domain, which would > have numerous applications in space and other high-tech sectors" says de > Matos. Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth's > gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million > trillion times larger than Einstein's General Relativity predicts. > Initially, the researchers were reluctant to believe their own results. > > "We ran more than 250 experiments, improved the facility over 3 years and > discussed the validity of the results for 8 months before making this > announcement. Now we are confident about the measurement," says Tajmar, who > performed the experiments and hopes that other physicists will conduct > their own versions of the experiment in order to verify the findings and > rule out a facility induced effect. > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> This is an interesting subject about which I would like more >> information. I have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large >> current discharge through a superconductor can generate an apparent >> momentum kick to nearby objects but it is difficult to accept without >> plenty of skepticism. Does anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of >> the anti gravity systems actually function? Better yet, how many among the >> group believe that this is possible or have witnessed a demonstration? >> >> Dave >> -Original Message- >> From: Axil Axil >> To: vortex-l >> Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm >> Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity >> >> http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html >> *Stiff challenge to spacetime* >> A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 >> dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the >> vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. >> What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space >> warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by >> general relativity. >> It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field >> that a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity). >> >> >> >> >
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
What's up with you, Rocha? Are you an investor in DGT? You are acting like a complete jack-ass to Rothwell. He is reporting facts and learned opinion here - in the interest for furthering LENR . while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. Why don't you pack up your anger and go somewhere else to vent. We do not need your constant bad-mouthing of honest opinion here. Jones From: Daniel Rocha Yes, and you make sure everyone knows and you drive your own conclusion as it can be noticed here: " doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page." One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. Maybe they do have people that want to spy them and were actually doing that. And so on. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. 2014-04-12 22:37 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene : > - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little > more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Alright, if Defkalion cannot answer for themselves, I am not going to do it anymore for free. > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Daniel Rocha wrote: > One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. > That was the only thing visible on that server. There were not other pages, mail services, boards, or other visible pages. > There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. > Yes, that is what I said. It seems unlikely. They have very low traffic, according to Alexa and other services. Here's something interesting: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=www.defkalion-energy.com > Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a > secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. > If they had abandoned it, there would be another message. The registration still has a couple of years, as I said. > Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing > and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. > The ISP would have no role in that. This was triggered by the ISP, on purpose or by accident. It could be a glitch. LENR-CANR.org has gone down for hours at a time for various reasons. In those cases you could not reach it at all. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com <>
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Being without much money has no relationship to the validity of the engineering or the science of a project. Didn't Rossi sell his house to keep going? Did that low point in the man's financial life invalidate Rossi's project? Didn't people try to starve Rossi out as a business strategy? I am sure that there are people at DGT who have knowledge that will attract development money form many sources. This eventually proved true for Rossi. All the key players at DGT need to do is boil water is the proper way to validate their expertise and the money will come. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Alright, if Defkalion cannot answer for themselves, I am not going to do > it anymore for free. > >> >> > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was required. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and validity of LENR. That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all storage and memory on that site. I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Fair enough. > > As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any > other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a > top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for > several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past > for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. > > We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like > a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of > unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to > bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of > course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I > think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. > > From: Daniel Rocha > > No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know > that > they might save the world. > > But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him > down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, > why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by > anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. > > Jones Beene wrote: > - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are > acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com >
Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity
A good start for anti-gravity might be an unorthodox researcher John Hutchinson, whose experiments began by emulating some of Tesla's work. Sorry if this is redundant but John is on to something here. www.hutchisoneffect.ca Best Regards, Tim Jones On Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:34 AM, David Roberson wrote: This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information. I have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism. Does anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of the anti gravity systems actually function? Better yet, how many among the group believe that this is possible or have witnessed a demonstration? Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html Stiff challenge to spacetime A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along straight intense magnetic field lines. What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space warping imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by general relativity. It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that a mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
*By the way, I can't wait to tell Per and all like him that his courses of study are no longer needed to be replaced by the department of LENR; and those obnoxious and arrogant nuclear reactor operators who think that they have a lock on certain and truth. * *Permanent unemployment for these types is called for as a lesson in humility. Am I bad?* On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same > way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The > privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as > Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. > > > > I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of > the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was > required. > > > > http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson > > > > He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until > I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and > validity of LENR. > > > > That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were > removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all > storage and memory on that site. > > > > I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> Fair enough. >> >> As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any >> other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being >> a >> top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for >> several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past >> for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they >> received. >> >> We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers >> like >> a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of >> unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants >> to >> bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming >> of >> course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I >> think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management >> skills. >> >> From: Daniel Rocha >> >> No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know >> that >> they might save the world. >> >> But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him >> down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the >> world, >> why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by >> anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. >> >> Jones Beene wrote: >> - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are >> acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every >> post. >> >> -- >> Daniel Rocha - RJ >> danieldi...@gmail.com >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
The MIT 2014 LENR Colloquium included in the agenda: "Yiannis Hadjichristos Heat Energy from Hydrogen-Metal Interactions and the need for new Scientific Alliances" but, I can't find anything on the web about the presentation. Does anyone have a reference? Thanks!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Axil-- The fission reactor guys are no different in their skeptopathic bias toward LENR than the hot fusion guys are. They both have cash cows in their barnyard that sadly give only sour milk--if any at all--it may be good for feeding pigs and most of them don't like it because it so sour. But their buddies in the government still support their barnyard business. Duping third world countries and waste management is their latest and last hope to keep the cash flowing. They are stringing it out as long as possible and at the greatest expense. Vitrification of high level radioactive waste at Hanford is a good example--$15Billion and counting--no end in sight. Hanford engineers designed and operated a pilot plant to solidify (calcine) the high level wastes with a projected cost of $26million for a production facility associated with PUREX in the late 1960's. The fission guys in the AEC decided that it was better to spend those $26millions on long lead equipment for the high temperature sodium fast neutron breeder Clinch River reactor. Those components ended up in a storage yard at Hanford and may still be there. That started a trend that it was better to waste money than use it for some good. The trend was needed to keep the nuclear tech guys employed. I would love to debate the waste management issues with Per and the issues associated with the development of new fission reactors. Japan and Germany may have finally gotten it right regarding the desirability of fission reactor energy. Bob . - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended By the way, I can't wait to tell Per and all like him that his courses of study are no longer needed to be replaced by the department of LENR; and those obnoxious and arrogant nuclear reactor operators who think that they have a lock on certain and truth. Permanent unemployment for these types is called for as a lesson in humility. Am I bad? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was required. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and validity of LENR. That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all storage and memory on that site. I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
