RE: RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Bob Higgins]

BTW, positronium has mass but Hotson's epo's do not.

Jones Beene  wrote:BTW – for all of Don Hotson’s fans on 
vortex, and there are many…
 
The epo or BEC is based on Dirac’s equation and theories – as is all of 
Hotson’s “interpretation of Dirac” and this field consists entirely of massless 
electrons and massless positrons. Wow, think of how well this fits into the 
recent revelations.
 
It makes a lot of sense to suggest that the Weyl fermion is indeed an outlier 
of the same species, but since the BEC (aether) is found primarily in another 
dimension, it is rare to find either epo constituent in 3-Space…
 
From: Jones Beene
 
This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily).
 
This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting.
 
There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided).
 
This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.
 
In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow.
 
Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?
 
Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there.
 
>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

[Vo]:Saturn north pole polygon explained 46 years ago

[David Jonsson]

Some 46 years ago a good video was made on rotating flows.

It is number 19 in this series
Movies: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0EC6527BE871ABA3
Written lectures: http://web.mit.edu/hml/notes.html

Inertia oscillations and free shear layers
developed and filmed by
David Fultz
Hydrodynamics Laboratory
Department och the Geophysical Sciences
University of Chicago

The polygon structure similar to the one on Saturnus north pole can be seen
here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ans3tnvMyTk#t=1371
The structure can be produced in laboratory.

David

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

excuse me, is this a serious answer? What has the hose to do with the Plant?
>

The pipe in Rossi's plant was half empty. That's the whole point.

(Note that the second photo I pointed shows a half-empty pipe, not a hose.)

I cannot understand what you are disputing here. Anyone can demonstrate
this with a pipe or bottle. You reduce the flow rate until the pipe is only
partially filled with water. That's all there is to it. Any drainage pipe
works this way, because drainage pipes are intentionally much larger than
the expected maximum flow. See:

http://il3.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/3773036/thumb/1.jpg

Note the brown silt left on the bottom of the pipe. After the water
finishes draining, some of this silt will remain, and it will indicate the
high water mark. This is exactly what happened with Rossi's reactor pipe
and flow meter.

- Jed

[Vo]:progress blindness, progress illusion in LENR

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-31-2016-progress-illusion-and.html

the text speaks for itself

peter
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Peter Gluck]

excuse me, is this a serious answer? What has the hose to do with the Plant?
Anyway thank you, it was enough I fear your "logic" is contagious so I
apologize to anybody who will read your messages. Rational discussion with
you is impossible.
peter



On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
> But starting from the diagram, you can imagine how to make the pipes haf
>> full. Can you, independently from this affair?
>>
>
> I do not need a diagram for that. I can do it easily, with an open hose.
> Put the hose on the ground. Turn the water a little until a small stream of
> water flows out of the hose. The hose will be mostly full of air. Like this
> bottle:
>
> http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-25293811.html
>
> Or this hose:
>
> http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-32645161/stock-photo-well.html
>
> You can easily avoid this by picking up the end of the hose and holding it
> in the air. The flow will stop for a while as the hose fills up. It will
> fill up, and after a while the water will pour out of the end. That would
> be a U shaped pipe, recommended for a flow meter. Rossi did not use this
> configuration.
>
>
>
>> You are not aware of what terrible ies you say?
>>
>
> Have you never seen a hose or bottle of water?
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

But starting from the diagram, you can imagine how to make the pipes haf
> full. Can you, independently from this affair?
>

I do not need a diagram for that. I can do it easily, with an open hose.
Put the hose on the ground. Turn the water a little until a small stream of
water flows out of the hose. The hose will be mostly full of air. Like this
bottle:

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-25293811.html

Or this hose:

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-32645161/stock-photo-well.html

You can easily avoid this by picking up the end of the hose and holding it
in the air. The flow will stop for a while as the hose fills up. It will
fill up, and after a while the water will pour out of the end. That would
be a U shaped pipe, recommended for a flow meter. Rossi did not use this
configuration.



> You are not aware of what terrible ies you say?
>

Have you never seen a hose or bottle of water?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Peter Gluck]

But starting from the diagram, you can imagine how to make the pipes haf
full. Can you, independently from this affair? Is Rossi the inventor of
this scheme any plumber can use?
You are not aware of what terrible ies you say?
peter


On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
> please take the image of the flowmeter and show how can you see inside it
>> when in function.
>>
>
> Of course you cannot see inside it when it is functioning. Why would you
> need to do that? The rust is still there when it stops.
>
>
>
>>   And how do myou open it when ot working?OK?
>>
>
> You wait until it is turned off. What a strange comment. Have you never
> fixed plumbing?
>
>
>
>> Let Rossi in peace, and tell NOW where was that damned flowmeter placed;
>> if you don't know ask IH
>>
>
> I will tell you nothing that has not been revealed by Rossi or I.H. If you
> want new information, you must ask them.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

please take the image of the flowmeter and show how can you see inside it
> when in function.
>

Of course you cannot see inside it when it is functioning. Why would you
need to do that? The rust is still there when it stops.



>   And how do myou open it when ot working?OK?
>

You wait until it is turned off. What a strange comment. Have you never
fixed plumbing?



> Let Rossi in peace, and tell NOW where was that damned flowmeter placed;
> if you don't know ask IH
>

I will tell you nothing that has not been revealed by Rossi or I.H. If you
want new information, you must ask them.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

BTW – for all of Don Hotson’s fans on vortex, and there are many…

 

The epo or BEC is based on Dirac’s equation and theories – as is all of 
Hotson’s “interpretation of Dirac” and this field consists entirely of massless 
electrons and massless positrons. Wow, think of how well this fits into the 
recent revelations.

 

It makes a lot of sense to suggest that the Weyl fermion is indeed an outlier 
of the same species, but since the BEC (aether) is found primarily in another 
dimension, it is rare to find either epo constituent in 3-Space…

 

From: Jones Beene 

 

This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily). 

 

This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting. 

 

There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided). 

 

This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.

 

In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow. 

 

Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?

 

Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there. 

 

>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

  
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[GMail brudersdorf]

Excellent. Theories worthy of the name are testable. Let's do that! 
Until then, they are written on the wind. 

BillR

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:59 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:
> 
> AA  Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.
> Jed  I know he has a theory, but I believe it keeps changing, and the 
> theorists tell me it has no merit."
> 
> In your last comment you stated he did not have a theory.
> I was not aware there was a consensus yet on the theory of how cold fusion 
> works.
> 
> AA
> 
> 
>> On 8/31/2016 9:37 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>> a.ashfield  wrote:
>> 
>>> The reaction must be nuclear in some form, even if it is not fusion.
>> 
>> If you claim it is nuclear reaction of type A and it turns out to be B 
>> instead, that puts your patent in jeopardy. Since you cannot patent a 
>> theory, there is no point to mentioning one at all. That is according to 
>> David French.
>>  
>> 
>>> Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.
>> 
>> I know he has a theory, but I believe it keeps changing, and the theorists 
>> tell me it has no merit.
>> 
>> - Jed
> 

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Peter Gluck]

please take the image of the flowmeter and show how can you see inside it
when in function.  And how do myou open it when ot working?OK?

Have you ever seen the scheme of the plant? Let Rossi in peace, and tell
NOW where was that damned flowmeter placed; if you don't know ask IH

take please this scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piping_and_instrumentation_diagram

and arrange irt to work with the pipes half full/empty. OK? Everybody knows
how, isnt't it?

peter





On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
> Can you give details, facts, iit was sealed and Penon has rfemoved the
>> seals, has he asked Murray, "come Joe, take a look to it"?
>>
>
> What the heck does "sealed" mean? Where were these "seals"? In front of
> the orifice? The water has to freely flow through a flow meter, or the
> meter does not work. Have you ever seen a flow meter? You can look right
> into the orifice. Just unscrew the pipe and have a look.
>
> If you could not see inside a meter, the water could not flow through it.
>
> If you are thinking the seals were on the pipe, like sealing wax, I
> suppose the people from I.H. ignored them and went ahead and unscrewed the
> pipe.
>
>
>
>> Has Murray a photo of those stains?
>>
>
> I have heard they have all kinds of photos and detailed analyses. I have
> not seen them.
>
>
>
>> If the pipes are working half-empty
>> then the how does water flow in the vertical segements?
>>
>
> What vertical segments? There aren't any as far as I know. Rossi claimed
> there were, but he lied.
>
>
>
>> Have you idea about the absurdity of this scheme?
>>
>
> There is nothing absurd about it. Why do you think the manufacturer warns
> against using the meter with a half-empty pipe, if pipes are never
> half-empty?
>
>
>
>> You was asked to give a sketch of the piping showing where was placed the
>> flowmeter you answered it was placed so that the pipes where half full,
>> unsmart tautology.
>>
>
> What's unsmart about it? Anyone can arrange a pipe to be half full. Rossi
> had no trouble doing that. People looking at the system had no trouble
> seeing that is what he did.
>
> If you want a sketch, I suggest you ask Rossi for one. Beware though: he
> will lie, and claim there was a U (with vertical segments).
>
>
> You can come with any photo
>> of roofs with no ventillation.
>>
>
> See for yourself! Look at the photos. Where is the ventilation? If there
> were enough ventilation for 1 MW of heat, it would be plainly visible.
> Where is it? Why hasn't Rossi given you photos of it? I predict he will not
> upload any in response to the counter-suit.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[a.ashfield]

AA  Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.
Jed  I know he has a theory, but I believe it keeps changing, and the 
theorists tell me it has no merit."


In your last comment you stated he did not have a theory.
I was not aware there was a consensus yet on the theory of how cold 
fusion works.


AA


On 8/31/2016 9:37 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

a.ashfield > wrote:

The reaction must be nuclear in some form, even if it is not fusion.


If you claim it is nuclear reaction of type A and it turns out to be B 
instead, that puts your patent in jeopardy. Since you cannot patent a 
theory, there is no point to mentioning one at all. That is according 
to David French.


Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.


I know he has a theory, but I believe it keeps changing, and the 
theorists tell me it has no merit.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

Can you give details, facts, iit was sealed and Penon has rfemoved the
> seals, has he asked Murray, "come Joe, take a look to it"?
>

What the heck does "sealed" mean? Where were these "seals"? In front of the
orifice? The water has to freely flow through a flow meter, or the meter
does not work. Have you ever seen a flow meter? You can look right into the
orifice. Just unscrew the pipe and have a look.

If you could not see inside a meter, the water could not flow through it.

If you are thinking the seals were on the pipe, like sealing wax, I suppose
the people from I.H. ignored them and went ahead and unscrewed the pipe.



> Has Murray a photo of those stains?
>

I have heard they have all kinds of photos and detailed analyses. I have
not seen them.



> If the pipes are working half-empty
> then the how does water flow in the vertical segements?
>

What vertical segments? There aren't any as far as I know. Rossi claimed
there were, but he lied.



> Have you idea about the absurdity of this scheme?
>

There is nothing absurd about it. Why do you think the manufacturer warns
against using the meter with a half-empty pipe, if pipes are never
half-empty?



> You was asked to give a sketch of the piping showing where was placed the
> flowmeter you answered it was placed so that the pipes where half full,
> unsmart tautology.
>

What's unsmart about it? Anyone can arrange a pipe to be half full. Rossi
had no trouble doing that. People looking at the system had no trouble
seeing that is what he did.

If you want a sketch, I suggest you ask Rossi for one. Beware though: he
will lie, and claim there was a U (with vertical segments).


You can come with any photo
> of roofs with no ventillation.
>

See for yourself! Look at the photos. Where is the ventilation? If there
were enough ventilation for 1 MW of heat, it would be plainly visible.
Where is it? Why hasn't Rossi given you photos of it? I predict he will not
upload any in response to the counter-suit.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily). 

 

This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting. 

 

There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided). 

 

This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.

 

In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow. 

 

Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?

 

Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there. 

 

>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

  
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Peter Gluck]

Can you give details, facts, iit was sealed and Penon has rfemoved the
seals, has he asked Murray, "come Joe, take a look to it"?
Has Murray a photo of those stains? If the pipes are working half-empty
then the how does water flow in the vertical segements?
Have you idea about the absurdity of this scheme? You was asked to give a
sketch of the piping showing where was placed the flowmeter you answered it
was placed so that the pipes where half full, unsmart tautology. Isn't it
time to cease with this unqualificable impossibility? Absurdity at the
third power.
Similar to your new idea - about Rossi forgetting the spell. The choice is
simple- he has never achieved excess heat or the 1MW plant has worked well.
As the leaked ERV data show it clearly. You can come with any photo
of roofs with no ventillation. Take care, loss of rationality can be
non-reversible.

IF you care for LENR can you tell who will speak to DoD next month?

peter



On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
>
>> . . . there was no trace of excess heat, this being obvious because there
>> are rust stains on the static vanes of a flowmeter that was not opened but
>> Murray had seen them . . .
>>
>
> That is preposterous. Of course it was opened! When you remove a flow
> meter from a pipe you can look right inside the meter. It takes a pipe
> wrench and ten minutes.
>
> That makes no sense at all.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:


> . . . there was no trace of excess heat, this being obvious because there
> are rust stains on the static vanes of a flowmeter that was not opened but
> Murray had seen them . . .
>

That is preposterous. Of course it was opened! When you remove a flow meter
from a pipe you can look right inside the meter. It takes a pipe wrench and
ten minutes.

That makes no sense at all.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:

The reaction must be nuclear in some form, even if it is not fusion.
>

If you claim it is nuclear reaction of type A and it turns out to be B
instead, that puts your patent in jeopardy. Since you cannot patent a
theory, there is no point to mentioning one at all. That is according to
David French.


Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.
>

I know he has a theory, but I believe it keeps changing, and the theorists
tell me it has no merit.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[a.ashfield]

The reaction must be nuclear in some form, even if it is not fusion.
Rossi says he has a theory, so you are wrong.

AA

On 8/30/2016 6:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

a.ashfield > wrote:

Until I see a patent with a claim talking about heat from a
nuclear reaction at low temperatures I assume the block is still
in place for America patents.


You do not understand patents. Talking about a nuclear reaction would 
be a terrible idea because no one knows what nuclear reaction occurs 
in cold fusion. So whatever you say about it might turn out to be 
wrong, and that would put the whole patent in jeopardy.


David French says it is best to say nothing about theory when you have 
no firm theory. I am sure Rossi has no theory.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Alain,

I am just writing an editorial about progress blindness e.g. Jed Rothwell
is unable or unwilling to see any progress in what Rossi did achieved
starting from 2011 and accusing Rossi of possible amnesia- in the best
times he was able to get excess heat but later not, aat the 1year 1MW Test
there was no trace of excess heat, this being obvious because there are
rust stains on the static vanes of a flowmeter that was not opened but
Murray had seen them- miraculously. posed to the 10 months average results
published by IH, saying results are as Rossi claims.

However I want to show that you are aon a contrary position with what you
call: good old electrolytic method. ENEA and SKINR have performed indeed
high level and quality materials science studies however progress in
reliability and reproducibility remains in the best case incremental.

A friendly advise please re-analyse what can PdD wet offer scientifically
and technologically, do not be the prisoner of the glorious but
non-developing past.
I am ready to publish what you want about the progress of PdD.
amities,
peter

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Alain Sepeda 
wrote:

> On the opposite, maybe not specifically in Italy, but results get more and
> more reliable.
> for ICCF15 ENEA reported results where success evolved from unreliable to
> more than 60% success because of cristallography surface choice.
>
> as I read the litterature of PdD, it seems more and more reliable for good
> old electrolythic method.
>
> what is changing however is the reduction of budgets.
> first experiments were done in the 90s with short but noticeable budgets,
> but then it became very hard to work., in the 2k period it seems budget is
> the big problem.
>
> for NiH maybe your notice apply and we must take the consequence.
>
> 2016-08-30 23:09 GMT+02:00 David L. Babcock :
>
>> I am struck by a curious parallel between many investigational endeavors
>> in science, the 'soft sciences', near science, and maybe-science (cold
>> fusion may or may not be in this last category). All are troubled by a
>> sequence comprising initial success, followed by a long irregular slope
>> down into no-results-above-noise.
>>
>> The soft sciences are abuzz right now with a huge failure-to-replicate of
>> all kinds of findings that were thought to be rock solid. Sort of as though
>> the more you look, the less you see. Wish I could give a link. Google on
>> failure to replicate.
>>
>> In parapsychology, there is the researcher who after years of at first
>> very good results, then worse results with the same tests, until at last
>> results so bad she decided it was all mistaken.
>>
>> In comes the coyote, the Trickster.  In "*The Trickster and the
>> Paranormal", (George Hansen) *-which I did not read, but read about- a
>> good argument is made that err, "something", is at work screwing up the
>> works, by either giving good results where none is warranted, or subverting
>> good results over time to discredit/stymie/trick the researcher.  I take
>> the liberty, at lest for this exposition, of taking this out of the
>> paranormal "box" and jamming it helter skelter into particle physics. Or
>> whatever physics covers LENR.
>>
>> For a brain transition enhancer, think poltergeist.  (If you check into
>> the 'Glitch in the matrix' Reddit, there is a lot there to suggest trickery
>> in the numerous reports of moving or hiding small objects.)
>>
>> Enter Rossi. A prime target. The master of trickery, of (a least!) the
>> trickery of moving small objects, gives Rossi a tantalizing glimpse of fame
>> and fortune by shuffling atomic particles around. And keeps it up until
>> Rossi is backed into a serious corner, totally tricked. Totally conned, he
>> is a prime target because he is himself a showman, a conman.  Other
>> researchers suffer only frustration and, some, heartbreak. Less hubris?
>>
>> This does not tell us whether cold fusion is real or not, but it may be
>> implying strongly that successfully deploying it may involve a major
>> paradigm shift, perhaps of the nature of a core of true believers at each
>> power site, in constant prayer (or chanting, candle lighting, pigeon
>> slaying).
>>
>> On 8/30/2016 8:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>
>>> If the E-Cat worked earlier do you really suppose Rossi retrograded
>>> performance with time?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, this seems likely. Patterson and several other researchers forgot
>> how to make working devices. Rossi reportedly destroyed his older reactors
>> to make new ones out of the parts. He did not keep a record of what he had
>> done. I think it is possible he forgot how to produce heat.
>>
>> It is also possible everything was fake from the start. I do not have
>> enough information to judge.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy. Retrograde performance: maybe the Coyote rules?

[Alain Sepeda]

On the opposite, maybe not specifically in Italy, but results get more and
more reliable.
for ICCF15 ENEA reported results where success evolved from unreliable to
more than 60% success because of cristallography surface choice.

as I read the litterature of PdD, it seems more and more reliable for good
old electrolythic method.

what is changing however is the reduction of budgets.
first experiments were done in the 90s with short but noticeable budgets,
but then it became very hard to work., in the 2k period it seems budget is
the big problem.

for NiH maybe your notice apply and we must take the consequence.

2016-08-30 23:09 GMT+02:00 David L. Babcock :

> I am struck by a curious parallel between many investigational endeavors
> in science, the 'soft sciences', near science, and maybe-science (cold
> fusion may or may not be in this last category). All are troubled by a
> sequence comprising initial success, followed by a long irregular slope
> down into no-results-above-noise.
>
> The soft sciences are abuzz right now with a huge failure-to-replicate of
> all kinds of findings that were thought to be rock solid. Sort of as though
> the more you look, the less you see. Wish I could give a link. Google on
> failure to replicate.
>
> In parapsychology, there is the researcher who after years of at first
> very good results, then worse results with the same tests, until at last
> results so bad she decided it was all mistaken.
>
> In comes the coyote, the Trickster.  In "*The Trickster and the
> Paranormal", (George Hansen) *-which I did not read, but read about- a
> good argument is made that err, "something", is at work screwing up the
> works, by either giving good results where none is warranted, or subverting
> good results over time to discredit/stymie/trick the researcher.  I take
> the liberty, at lest for this exposition, of taking this out of the
> paranormal "box" and jamming it helter skelter into particle physics. Or
> whatever physics covers LENR.
>
> For a brain transition enhancer, think poltergeist.  (If you check into
> the 'Glitch in the matrix' Reddit, there is a lot there to suggest trickery
> in the numerous reports of moving or hiding small objects.)
>
> Enter Rossi. A prime target. The master of trickery, of (a least!) the
> trickery of moving small objects, gives Rossi a tantalizing glimpse of fame
> and fortune by shuffling atomic particles around. And keeps it up until
> Rossi is backed into a serious corner, totally tricked. Totally conned, he
> is a prime target because he is himself a showman, a conman.  Other
> researchers suffer only frustration and, some, heartbreak. Less hubris?
>
> This does not tell us whether cold fusion is real or not, but it may be
> implying strongly that successfully deploying it may involve a major
> paradigm shift, perhaps of the nature of a core of true believers at each
> power site, in constant prayer (or chanting, candle lighting, pigeon
> slaying).
>
> On 8/30/2016 8:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>> If the E-Cat worked earlier do you really suppose Rossi retrograded
>> performance with time?
>>
>
> Yes, this seems likely. Patterson and several other researchers forgot how
> to make working devices. Rossi reportedly destroyed his older reactors to
> make new ones out of the parts. He did not keep a record of what he had
> done. I think it is possible he forgot how to produce heat.
>
> It is also possible everything was fake from the start. I do not have
> enough information to judge.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>