[Vo]:University of Missouri Acquires Energetics LENR Resources
University of Missouri Acquires Energetics LENR Resources http://news.newenergytimes.net/2012/10/24/university-of-missouri-acquires-energetics-lenr/ Oct. 24, 2012 By Steven B. Krivit New Jersey-based Energetics Technologies LLC and its founders appear to be out of the low-energy nuclear reaction research business. Their assets are now owned or licensed by the University of Missouri. Two of the senior Energetics scientists, plus two more-recently hired Energetics researchers, are continuing LENR research as employees of the University of Missouri. [ rest behind paywall ] (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi says something is up at Leonardo
At 09:05 AM 10/25/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: That does seem to be Rossi's prior track record - to constantly titillate his audience. Many of his commercial hints have failed to materialize, or have fizzled (big US company etc ..) -- but most of his technical hints have materialized in one form or another.
Re: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs asks for recommended papers and experiments
At 11:36 AM 10/21/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: I don't have the time to review the huge amount of literature you people have already looked at ... I'm still willing to do some leg-work on this (I'm collecting links, and will order Ed Storms' book) -- but meanwhile, I suggest you look at ONE presentation from ICCF-17 (with rather impeccable credentials) : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/papers/Dominguez-Anomalous-Results-Slides-ICCF17.pdf which I'll summarize as : a) Cold Fusion is REAL science (though the method is unexplained) b) They attempted and failed to disprove there is excess power c) LARGE excess power in 5% of experiments c) Excess power (MUCH GREATER THAN) stored chemical energy d) In one run they got a gain of ~40X (MORE than the 6 Rossi, or the 20 Defkalion is claiming) e) Potentially useful level of excess power!
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started -- Sodium + Epsom Salts explosion
Another warning on electrolysis and stuff http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol9.pdf p64 Lakshmanan During sodium metal dissolution in aqueous Epsom salts, it was accidentally discovered that a massive explosion occurs in 0.85 M Epsom solution on the completion of Na dissolution. ... However, at the end of Na dissolution, i.e., 30 s after Na addition, an intense and massive explosion occurred, accompanied with Na aerosol release and a shock wave as well as vaporization of Borosil glass beaker containing salt solution. The explosion attracted the attention of everyone in the building due to its high intensity, even people in rooms far from the one where the experiment was carried out. Molten glass needles flew all around, making holes too small to be seen with the naked eye in two plastic water bottles at two different locations about 2 m from the explosion. I was standing 45 m from the cell when it exploded. The needles scratched my hand. Borosil glass vaporizes at temperatures 1000°C. This fact indicates that a very high temperature has indeed been reached in this experiment. The timing of the explosion (2025 s after Na addition) is prima facie evidence that hydrogen somehow got trapped in the solution. A normal hydrogen explosion occurs within 510 s after Na addition in dilute salt solutions, and the intensity of a normal explosion is not sufficient to vaporize the glass beaker.
Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi says something is up at Leonardo
Seeing that we have this thread going : Joseph Fine October 25th, 2012 at 1:27 PM Andrea Rossi, You said you will soon provide information about the new 1 MW Hot Cat. I have not yet made a volume estimate of the Hot-Cat (1 MW). But I think the 1 MW Hot Cat will have 90 to 100 modules. Some one commented on E-Cat World that Apple might buy Leonardo Corporation and rename the E-Cat the I-Cat. Please say it isnt so! Joseph Andrea Rossi October 25th, 2012 at 2:20 PM Dear Dr Joseph Fine: The Hot Cat will have 72 modules and the whole generator will stay in 1 cubic meter of volume. I suppose. Very important progree is in course. About what might be: if I might have 6 balls, I could be a flipper. Warmest Regards Adrian Monk October 25th, 2012 at 7:48 AM Some comments on E-Catworld are saying (as a joke) that you will light up Red Square or something similar in US on December 21 2012. That is a joke to lower the expectation bar for your news next week. So if it is not that (is it? ) what can we expect next week in terms of communication to us, fans? A small press release in JONP, a big public press release or no press release at all because you cannot share the news being too confidential? Andrea Rossi October 25th, 2012 at 2:24 PM Dear Adrian Monk: Next week we will have no particular communications to make. We are working very hard here, in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:PopSci article on Rossi now online
Popsci : If history is any guide, no such report would be issued. Rossi will reset the goalpoststhe only thing he does with any consistencyand forestall his day of reckoning for another few months, and then another few months after that, until finally he disappears from the stage in a puff of smoke, taking his black box with him. Rossi: Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2012 at 9:09 PM Dear Drew: Important news are on their way. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 PM Dear Avi: Leonardo Corp. will not be the same from the next week. I am in the USA, where an inportant event has been born from the last tests. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:PopSci article on Rossi now online
At 09:05 AM 10/23/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, The 8-page article published on the November issue of Popular Science is now publicly available for reading on the official PopSci website. For sure, user reactions in the comment section don't seem very enthusiastic, to say the least: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box A long disclaimer from Krivit ! http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box#comment-147925 And apart from the usual MY response http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box#comment-147923 (this time it takes a pot-shot at Jed.) a couple of the comments are in support of LENR and wait-and-see on Rossi.
Re: [Vo]:New paper by Storms and Scanlan
At 11:26 AM 10/23/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I uploaded a version of this paper with some revisions and corrections. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEnatureofen.pdf I had to read it several times to figure out the relationship between GM#1 and GM#2. Let me summarize my current understanding to see if I've got it right Specimen --- Mica Window -- GM#1 *- - - - - - - *--- GM#2 GM#1 and GM#2 show counts both from the specimen and from the Mica Window Insert lead : Specimen --- LEAD Mica Window -- GM#1 *--- GM#2 GM#1 and GM#2 are no longer detecting radiation from the Specimen, but are detecting the decay of K40 in the Mica window. So the the discovery is that the radiation from the specimen is doing something to K40 -- which decays with a half-life of 109 minutes. At the very least, that should be in the abstract as well as in the conclusion. Lead-on question : Why not use a NON-mica GM#1 AND #GM2, and then insert mica into the specimen-GM#1 path Specimen --- GM#1 - GM#2 Insert MICA : Specimen --- MICA -- GM#1 - #GM2 and/or Specimen --- LEAD MICA -- GM#1 - #GM2 Then remove the mica and put it next to GM#3 to record its decay (possibly with a separate background-detector GM#4) MICA --- GM#3
Re: [Vo]:PopSci article on Rossi now online
At 12:36 PM 10/23/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I uploaded a post with links to all three articles and eCat news, conveniently located in one place: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=1356 You might add Wired's Sep 14 --- now archived Cold fusion: smoke and mirrors, or raising a head of steam? http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announces test results
At 11:01 AM 10/19/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Unfortunately, the result is only that it SUGGESTS a COP of 1 Since Defkalion specs have COP in the 20-30 range this seems rather disappointing. The blog goes on to say : The objective of this test was to get only COP1.1 with a noise to signal ratio less than 10%. We got COP3 very easy with noise to signal less than 4%. Note that the tested reactor R5 was not designed for maximum COP but to get maximum lab safety and control /understanding over the phenomena.
[Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC : Women in Avery Binders
http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Durable-Binder-EZ-Turn-17032/product-reviews/B001B0CTMU/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_2?ie=UTF8pageNumber=2showViewpoints=0 (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Popular Science article Andrea Rossi's Black Box
http://pesn.com/2012/10/16/9602208_Andrea-Rossis_Black-Box--by_Popular-Science/ With thumbnails of the article and a few comments (Not a hit piece, but with inaccuracies).
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
At 11:30 AM 10/16/2012, David Roberson wrote: I know that I will have sparks and small flames as with the open system so now I would like to know if there is significant danger of explosion. Is anyone aware of reports of a relatively low volume open to the air glass cell exploding and causing injury or damage to the surroundings? Most of the jar volume will likely be filled with a mix of hydrogen and oxygen plus room air. I have not calculated the amount of energy contained within the captured hydrogen since a bad calculation could be dangerous. Please give me guidance before I reconnect this beast as it now is on standby. This paper looks at various combinations http://conference.ing.unipi.it/ichs2005/Papers/120001.pdf H2-Air -- lower explosion limit is 4.3 mole% H2 H2-O -- lower explosion limit is 4 mole% H2 Can you put in a baffle or something to keep the H and O separate? Maybe a U-tube would be better than a jar.
Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7
At 09:36 AM 10/12/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/leonardo-corp-releases-new-hot-cat-report/ Electrical measurements : pce-830 http://www.industrial-needs.com/manual/power-anlayser-pce-830.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Hot Cat COP 11.7
Andrea Rossi October 12th, 2012 at 3:27 PM DEAR READERS: THIS MORNING I SENT TO THE SPECIALIZED MAGAZINES THE TEXT OF MY REPORT. UNFORTUNATELY, I CLICKED THE WRONG ADDRESS, AND SENT THE DRAFT FULL OF TYPOS, WITH NONSENSE NUMBERS. I AM JUST RETURNED FROM PORDENONE AND REALIZED THIS !!! ( IT IS 10.20 P.M. IN ITALY). I HAVE SENT TO ALL THE CORRECTED VERSION, YOU SHOULD FIND IT WITHIN MINUTES. EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO RECEIVE A COPY CORRECTED OF THE REPORT CAN WRITE TO i...@leonardocorp1996.com I WILL MAIL IT ASAP. VERY SORRY, I AM UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE. ANDREA ROSSI
Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate
At 07:51 AM 10/4/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: This morning I found a link that may be related to the borax and nickels thing: http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/els/borax-el.htm A great find! Here's Popular Science 1936 : http://books.google.com/books?id=fygDMBAJpg=PA107lpg=PA107dq=borax+rectifiersource=blots=Mk2XMdPw_5sig=_ObzlgyVPwIypRMcsxAdt0qNcSkhl=ensa=Xei=M8VtULzBMMHviQLl34HgAgved=0CFwQ6AEwDA#v=onepageq=borax%20rectifierf=false So the delay is what they describe as forming (Recommended to use AC, per Jones Beene) after which it can be used for rectification and/or negative resistance. Front page : http://books.google.com/books?id=fygDMBAJlpg=PA107ots=Mk2XMdPw_5dq=borax%20rectifierpg=PP1#v=onepageqf=false
Re: [Vo]:October is here : Pordenone program
Whats up with a new E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733cpage=7#comment-343916 Andrea Rossi October 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat. It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible. ( He,he,he,he ) Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3603/ Program for Pordenone E-Cat ConferencePROGRAM At 15:00 Mr. Franco Scolari General Pordenone Technology Greetings and introduction At 15:30 Arch Gianvico Pirazzini Leonardo Corporation Introduction to the E-Cat At 15:45 Mr. Fulvio Fabiani Leonardo Corporation The E-Cat: aspects of installation and safety At 16:00 Mr. Andrea Rossi Leonardo Corporation CEO of E-Cat Energy from cold fusion Nickel At 16:30 Round Table will be: Dr. Salvatore Majorana Director of Technology Transfer IIT Dr. Riccardo Sabatini SISSA Trieste research group on computational modeling Prof. Franco Battaglia ing Department. Materials and Environment University of Modena and Reggio Emilia Giovanni Petris Head Office environment, energy policy and the mountain region FVG Dr. George Cecco Regional Coordinator FareAmbiente FVG At 18:00 Paolo Santin Regional Councillor PDL Friuli Venezia Giulia Greetings closing - - - - A previous report had Rossi talking FOR 15 hours -- rather than AT 15:00 hours -- now up to 16 Hours
Re: [Vo]:October is here : Pordenone program
At 12:33 PM 10/4/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote: The clean of the tops of the Dolomites with the wax and the he-he-ing seem unusually odd even for Rossi ... Does anyone know if the former is a bad translation of a colloquialism? I took it to mean skiing : (wiki) A tourist mecca, the Dolomites are famous for skiing in the winter months ... he-he-he ... I suspect he has something up his sleeve.
Re: [Vo]:October is here
At 07:57 AM 10/2/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that this is even related to Rossi. Well, at least it costs nothing to keep following the latest news and developments. It's still wait and see time. a) The warm 1MW IS still listed for sale. b) The warm 1MW now has SOME kind of safety certification c) Something is happening on the hot eCat front d) We all said Rossi was nuts to sell directly to consumers without a UL (or equivalent) certification, which would take a long time e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?)
RE: [Vo]:WLT Disproof
Disclaimer : I'm TOTALLY out of my sphere of competence here. Most WLT-disprovers bring the electron from infinity (or Mars) and collide it with the Proton. But I think they need to look at the naturally occurring Electron Capture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture eg A proton in Berrylium-7 can snatch an electron from the K-shell with a half-life of 53 days -- and that rate can be changed 1% depending on its environment (metal or insulator), by perturbing the electron shells. (And Ni-56 has a half-life of 6 days). Aren't there other ways of tweaking the shells to increase the reaction rate? eg Rydberg H (as proposed by Defkalion).
Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
Since I don't yet have a wet environment I unpacked and set up my power supply. Like this one : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-DC-Power-Supply-Digital-Regulated-Lab-Grade-/150910739194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2322fb22fa (gee .. there's one like it for 50c cheaper! That particular one's an auction -- but Buy-it-now is the same price $67-ish, free shipping). The manual is ... Chinese and Chinglish : 1. Current 2. Steady flow rough tuning 3. Steady flow fine tuning 4. Steady flow state 5. Shows the three voltage 6. Fine-tuning regulators 7. Rough-tuning regulators 8. Directed state regulators 9. Negative output terminal 10. Positive output terminal 11. Output grounding terminal 12. Current switch 13. A/mA range conversion Pretty straight forward : a course and fine voltage and current control, and a switch between mA and A Whichever is higher takes control (Constant Current, Constant Voltage) with an indicator light I had a little potentiometer handy, so I set it to mA and gave it a twist. Ooops !!! I misinterpreted the mA vs A switch : what's that burning smell !!?? Hooked up my 1 ohm / 25W resistor makes a nice hand-warmer if you set the VA right. I see that brand-new Chinese Variacs are available for a similar price.
Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
The manual is ... Chinese and Chinglish : *regulator / steady flow characteristics The series features the work of power as the voltage regulator / converter-type automatic steady flow, it changes with the load Regulators with the state of steady flow between the consecutive conversion, the voltage regulator and a state of steady flow as a point of intersection between the conversion to For-point. At least that's better English than I could render Chinese. A long, long, time ago we got an order from China for a vlsi layout system. We actually got an export license, but the money never reached us, so we didn't ship it.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Replicators : I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in the Borax (so that all connections are above the fluid). How far apart should they be? I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to connect than a nickel.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 11:17 AM 9/27/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I saw elsewhere that all Australian silver coins are also nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to connect than a nickel. US 10c : 21 mm diameter AUS 20c : 28mm SW 1KR : 25mm I think I'll stop by a coin dealer and see if they have any AUS 20c's My power supply just arrived.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote: I also placed my connections above the bath. With Borax, they had to be fairly close together to get 1 amp. I estimate from memory about 1/2 inch maximum. Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?
[Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
Power supply : got (The manual's Chinese, with an .. interesting English translation) There are knobs for current and power. I guess I'll have to twiddle them to see how they interact Bunch of alligator clips : got Cooking thermometer : got Radiation detectors : ordered I ordered a 5-pack. I'll send 1 each to the first two vorticians who ask Resistive Load : 1 ohm 25W for callibration (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
I've been looking through my personal archives. I declared on Wed Apr 22, 2009 02:07pm I'm changing my position from 'maybe' to 'yes'. and came across a Jed quote : Wednesday, March 24, 2010 Chemists taken in by Cold Fusion . . . AGAIN! http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2010/03/chemists-taken-in-by-cold-fusion-again.html?showComment=1269462185011#c6972878308653839828 Repruducibility has gone from 10% to 20% to 100% with some techniques. The NRL recently repeated the Arata experiment several hundred times in a row with automated equipment, completely degassing the samples between runs. It worked every time. So I do not see why you say that nothing has changed. (Got a quick link to the paper? -- too lazy to search !! )
Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
I found Miles at the 2010 ACS reporting 6/6 (Though for my purposes his $50 calorimeter got the press's attention).
Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
At 01:02 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: They described a lot more about it at ICCF17. Kidwell finally agrees it is anomalous. Does Kidwell say so in a paper?
[Vo]:DGT tests to be published?
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1303p=9562#p9562 Dear drew, we do not know where Sterling Allen got this not-even-close-to-real info on his last report. Please be so kind to ask him as he has not contacted us since last March, when he payed a short visit in one of our labs. Since last April, we conducted successfully 21 official tests many days each, with the presence and under the protocols agreed with very well know international labs, using also their instrumentation. The last two such official test runs only, from September 5th to September 14th, lasted in total more than 55 hours starting/stopping the reaction and controlling reactor's performance at will. These two tests were the last official we conducted in Greece with our R5 lab prototype reactors and the present calorimetric setup, whilst the next have been scheduled to take place in Vancouver in the new R6 version pre-industrial single reactor in Hyperion complete prototypes, following in general the specs we have released already. An official announcement from our company within the next weeks will inform you the peer-reviewed journals where the results of all these tests so far will be published by the independent testers. Thank you for your attention DGT (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : (Chuck) Sites Effect
I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet : 5/4/89 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/alt.fusion/BwPLHQ2lO TE ... Using these ideas, here is a basement physics experiment, I've tried (It's only sugjested as possible way to see cold fusion if B2H-- is doing as I described. I'm not responsible you die of radiation poisoning, or anykind of other laboratory mishaps :-) This very simple experiment which generates a fair amount of heat. I leave the neutron, and gamma tests to the experts, or a good chemist to explain where the heat comes from. Electrolyze a nickle (Ni) anode (+) and a Copper (Cu) cathode (-) in a bath of H2O and Borax. (2Na4B7O*10H2O) at 10V @ 0.150amp. Replace with D2O at your own risk. 5/29/89 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/alt.fusion/wc0FykCIIFE ... First, I appoligize for the crude-ness of my last posting. Lets just say that I had trouble with an editor (vi to be exact). ... Electodes of the nickel-copper, copper-nickel combinations were tried. The Cu cathode/Ni anode produced heat on the Ni anode side. >From 20C TO 60C in about 1hr. The heat appears when the black salt form. It took about 3hr to evaporate 15ml of H2O. The A/C experiments are interesting. The Ni-Ni, Ni-Cu, Cu-Ni combinations all generate heat, however, in the Ni-Cu, Cu-Ni combinations, it was the copper that generates heat, not Nickel! The heat seems a little higher too. 20C to about 80C in 3hrs. no salts appear to form, and very, very little gasses evolve. However, the nickel shows some discolorization at the tips of the C-shaped electrodes. Because the Cu electrodes seem to be the source of heat, it throughs a strange twist into the idea of a chemical evolution of heat. But since Ni-Ni also generates heat, and Cu-Cu does not, it sugjests that a Ni-B compound is a component of the source of heat. A control run of all experiments A/C D/C with pure H2O showed no heat from any combination of electrodes. ... - - - in an eMail, Check graciously accepted the term Sites Effect which I proposed for his observation.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : (Chuck) Sites Effect
At 02:05 PM 9/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet : 5/4/89 That would be 5/14/89
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I just won a 0-30V 5A power supply on eBay. Now I need to save up for a coup'la nickels. (I really AM going to scoop up some free Borax!)
Re: [Vo]:LENRWiki.eu : first article... do you want to contribute...
At 01:17 PM 9/21/2012, Alain Sepeda wrote: Just an announce for contributors, this is an idea about making a wiki on LENR... I'll come over to the dark light side if I'm thrown off the CF and ECAT wikis. Otherwise I'm too busy pushing rocks up hills.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 04:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. And with AC the ends will alternate?
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 12:25 PM 9/19/2012, Jones Beene wrote: If I had a nickel for every time ... So ... with that caveat in mind, here's a cheap tip about what to do with another cheap tip - all those Buffalo coins you've been saving for the meter ... IOW - there is a ready source of Romanowski alloy for Celani type reactions in your pocket, or center console, as we speak. The U.S. nickel has been a cupronickel since 1913 and the composition is rather similar to Constantan: 75% copper 25% nickel with trace amounts of manganese. Romanowski would approve. Last year I had a private email from Charles (Chuck) Sites --- who has given me permission to post : I was reading Vortex-L and followed your link. I'm an old cold fusion guy but pretty much a lurker. I found your article on Rossi's E-Cat to be very interesting. Here is a story about CF, from 1984 with Pons and Flieshman announced their discovery, I was a young excited physics student, and immediately want to test the concept of CF. I didn't have palladium, nor deuterium. So I was looking for an alternative. I was thinking, Boron has a very large cross section (Q factor) and B11 could easily cold fuse given the right circumstances. So looking at what I had, what would be a good source of Ni? Not knowing it's metal makeup I choose an American nickel 5-cent piece. (75 percent copper, 25 percent Ni) This was the Anode. A source of Boron, would be Borax (Na2B4.10H2O). The cathode, I used graphite. This was hooked up to a 65 Watt 5 Volt supply from an IBM PC. To my surprise, the Nickel got extraordinarily hot. Too hot to touch, and I melted several plastic p tree dish before changing to jars. I was always able to bring pint of water to 80C after running for about 8 hours. Other metals used for the Anode, showed no indications of even being warm. (Steel, Aluminum, Copper, Zinc). So a US 5 cent piece gave great results. I even had a Geiger counter go off once, but it may have been a cosmic ray. Given that, I could never really understand how this Nickel got hot without radiation. I could never get a theory as to how it worked either, in spite of the fact that the experiment is very repeatable.
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I saw your post of that old email, and was kind of embarrassed to see I left out a few details, like my reasoning for Ni and Borax. At the time, I knew Ni to be a good catalyst for some hydrogen reactions, an could absorb good amounts of H into the lattice. Borax is used as a flux for welding Ni, and removes the oxide layers. It also happened to be a very nice Ionic compound and made for a excellent electrolyte. The currents was floating, but typically at peak temps in the +60C, it was 1 to 1.25 amps in 100ml/distilled H2O and 3g borax. Because the current floated, there was a build up that would last several hours at 0.001 to 0.22 amps (H loading) followed by an increase in current draw with heat. It proves one thing. It's not Ohmic heating. It's definitely a hydrogen in metal effect. On other quickie experiment I tried was a low voltage AC current using two nickels as electrodes. That also showed heat from both coins. That was 9V AC via a transformer. If that could be pre-pumped DC and then toggled to AC, I bet it would be good CF candidate. Anyway, because of those personal experiences with hydrogen in the Cu/Ni metals, it's hard for me to dismiss Rossi and the Ni/H experiments as fallacy. On the contrary, It sound like the he's onto something. What theory applies though, is still a mystery to me. Best Regards, Chuck
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
At 01:25 PM 9/20/2012, Jones Beene wrote: OK Chuck, I'll bite on the AC and nickels. I asked Chuck if there are any dangers ... since he's still around 30 years later, and had a geiger counter, I presume the neutron flux wasn't too high. Heck, if this works it could be interesting.
[Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9
http://www.iscmns.org/news.htm JCMNS Volumes 6 to 9 published 14 September 2012: Editor in Chief Jean Paul Biberian has released another volume of the peer reviewed Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. JCMNS-Vol6.pdf . JCMNS-Vol7.pdf . JCMNS-Vol8.pdf contains the first part of the ICCF-16 papers. Latest volume isJCMNS -Vol9.pdf ps : I have made a formal request on the Cold Fusion Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cold_fusion#ICCF_and_Journal_of_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science_As_a_Reliable_Source that ICCF and JCMNS be admitted as a Reliable source (possibly with a disclaimer that it's a special interest group) -- which would mean that papers can be quoted DIRECTLY without waiting for some newspaper or other to comment on them. NOTE : Do NOT go there to discuss this, unless you're a long-standing Wiki editor. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability
Is this the first paper in which one group has reported100% success in multiple tests (over 150)? http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf (I'm using that link because it's in the wired article). (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion : KEEP
At 11:06 AM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)#Energy_Catalyzer It survived deletion, despite complaints that: Off wiki mailing list by Alanf777, Zedshort and others here: (vortex) which seems to constitute off-wiki canvassing
[Vo]:Rossi on the Hot-Cat Mk II
Andrea Rossi September 17th, 2012 at 7:02 AM DEAR GIO: I WANT TO ADD THAT SO FAR THE MEASUREMENTS MADE BY NEW SYSTEMS HAVE CONFIRMED, SUBSTANTIALLY, THE DATA PRESENTED IN THE REPORT OF ZURICH. IN PARTICULAR: WE HAVE ELIMINATED THE INTERNAL CYLINDER, TO MAKE EASIER THE MEASUREMENT OF THE ENERGY, BEING NOW ALL THE ENERGY EMITTED THROUGH THE EXTERNAL CYLINDER SURFACE, AND WE ARE USING A VARIAC INSTEAD OF A TRIAC, TOGETHER WITH CERTIFIED INSTRUMENTATION. NEVERTHELESS, MORE MEASUREMENTS ARE CARRIED ON BY THE VALIDATORS TEAM. WARM REGARDS, A.R. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:New Wired UK article
Cold fusion: smoke and mirrors, or raising a head of steam? http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I've only skimmed it. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 10:26 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I've only skimmed it. Lots of Krivit ps : Steven Vincent Johnson already had it up. but it wasn't (still isn't) showing on the web archive.
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 10:33 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I've only skimmed it. I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing.
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 11:22 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. Deleted already.
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 12:31 PM 9/14/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Like I sez, you got no business in Wikipedia. I mean, what? -- are you asking to be collapsed and arbitrated? Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay on their toes! I warned them in Talk that there was a wired article : 17:52 Edited the lede : 18:18 Deleted : 18:20 2 minutes!!!
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article / Wiki
At 12:47 PM 9/14/2012, James Bowery wrote: 2 minutes: I've got to learn to scroll before I post. btw The Lede currently ends with an extended quoted from Ugo Bardi (From March) Professor Ugo Bardi of the University of Florence, noting contradictory claims made by Rossi regarding the emission or non-emission of Gamma radiation, the location of a supposed factory in Florida, or not in the United States at all and the fact that some of his supporters are apparently deserting him, said ...the E-Cat has reached the end of the line. It still maintains some faithful supporters, but, most likely, it will soon fade away in the darkness of pathological science, where it belongs. http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.it/2012/03/sinking-of-e-cat.html I managed to change some of his most vehement supporters to some of his supporters -- but when I pointed out that some of the supposed deserters had rejoined I was accused of doing original research. My summary of Wired .. which I put after the Bardi quote was : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzerdiff=512454940oldid=512429729 In a 14 September 2012 article in Wired UK David Hambling reviews the current situation of the E-Cat and of LENR in general. He draws attention to reports made by Rossi at a convention in Zurich concerning a new, prototype hot E-Cat, and to the fact that some investors have withdrawn because they could not replicate Rossi's results of that prototype. He quotes Sterling Allen as reporting that a 1MW E-Cat to be delivered in the next few months may be available for inspection. He continues by reviewing the status of other potential competitors of the E-Cat, and describes some encouraging results from a recent Cold Fusion conference in Korea. Finally, he notes that The field is looking less like the domain of tinkering eccentrics; increasingly it seems to be getting taken seriously as a business proposition., and quotes a NASA/Boeing study as concluding that LENR technology is potentially game-changing to not just aviation, but the worldwide energy mix as well. This technology should be followed to determine feasibility and potential performance.
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 04:18 PM 9/14/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Well, very funny, Jed. However, Mr. Fletcher is essentially clueless as to what would be acceptable as a source for Wikipedia. I looked about and didn't see where he was threatened with arbitration, which is weird. The last thing that the cabal wants is for their antics to go to arbitration, but, here, they'd win. Essentially, this would just go to Arbitration Enforcement -- which is not arbitration, it is where the community enforces arbitration decisions, in theis case Article Probation for cold fusion topics. 5 Ugo Bardi Quote in the Introduction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Energy_Catalyzer#Ugo_Bardi_Quote_in_the_Introduction If you continue to waste other editors time with your original research, the next step is arbitration enforcement Of course, is the E-cat cold fusion? Regarding Alanf777's 'bold' edit, I'll start by saying that this article isn't about LENR in general - Most of the material was off-topic, and David Hambling's opinions on the state of LENR research are of no relevence. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Since the very first line says The Energy Catalyzer (also called E-Cat) is a purported cold fusion or Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) heat source -- supporting evidence for the progress in LENR is definitely allowable. Alanf777 (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Yup. It 'purports' to be a LENR device. Nobody but Rossi and his boosters claims it is. Except when he doesn't. Until independent sources support his claims, what is going in in verifiable LENR research is of no real relevance to the article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC) In a way, they are right. Someone who would persist at Wikipedia is a bit crazy. I remember now why I gave up in December last year. But I thought it was my turn to put in a shift or two at the coalface (or whatever).
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 03:33 PM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I remember now why I gave up in December last year. But I thought it was my turn to put in a shift or two at the coalface (or whatever). I'm now getting my feet wet in Cold Fusion ... let's see how quick THEY are. (Some of the players are the same).
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
Andrea Rossi September 13th, 2012 at 1:45 AM Dear Giuseppe B.: Mr Gary Wright ( a false name that the coward snake The Snake- is using for cowardice, has contacted SGS in an unproper way and has put an unproper question. So he published on his newbogusenergybricolage that we do not have a SGS certificate. This is the evidence, as if there was any necessity, that when the Snake ( or, better, the puppet Snake) writes, he usually publishes a falsity. Within hours you will find our Voluntary Safety Certificate. So you will see who is that says the truth and who is that has an agenda. Now we are very close to make a plant able to make power, and the puppeteers are trying all they can to discredit us: this is why I am caring not too much of the mumbojumbo growing up around and focus on the factory where we are making the real work. But from the violence of the attacs you can read the fear they have of the fact that we are making it. Not to mention the blackmails and the threats I am receiving on dayly scale. Just let me work and well see. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:An interesting video from PESN - LENR related
At 08:53 AM 9/13/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euNzXkapqwQ (the video is 39:34 minutes long) These let the camera run interviews make me appreciate the work of a good editor.
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion
I went with a non-snarky fairly neutral wait and see response: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)#Energy_Catalyzer Keep Although the eCat has not achieved mainstream media attention, there is sufficient Non-WP:RS evidence that things are happening behind the scenes (with a resolution on a relatively short timescale -- say 3-6 months) -- that we're still in a wait and see status. There is no particular reason to delete it now.Alanf777 (talk) 18:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC) I'm wondering now whether to jump back into the editing fray.
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 12:55 PM 9/13/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-09-12 23:04, Harry Veeder wrote: This blog called Shut down Rossi can't find any evidence that safety certificate was issue by SGS as Rossi claims. Here's the safety certificate by SGS: http://www.scribd.com/doc/105839897/EFA-rep-1107 Source: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/andrea-rossi-makes-available-safety-certificate-from-sgs/ It was issued under EFA S.r.l. after all. I gleefully added it to the wiki (and deletion discussion) !!!
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 01:19 PM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I gleefully added it to the wiki (and deletion discussion) !!! Of course it's been deleted already as a primary source with zero relevance
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
Now for the questions -- the certificate states 200kW IN, 1MW out -- does the certification confirm those numbers?
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 01:42 PM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Now for the questions -- the certificate states 200kW IN, 1MW out -- does the certification confirm those numbers? The directive is at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexplus!prod!CELEXnumdoclg=ENnumdoc=32006L0032 but it doesn't seem to get down to the actual nuts and bolts of what/how anything is tested.
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 02:03 PM 9/13/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: Still - didn't SGS have to test this prototype in some way to find out if it runs within their safety parameters? How did they run these tests? Here's a clear copy as a PDF file : (I'd only seen the jpg) http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/EFA-rep-1107.pdf
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
Thanks to AK for the correct link (which I'd already fixed on the wiki -- though even my comments in talk have been collapsed -- and I'm being threatened with arbitration.) Article 5 and Annex I indicate that this is at least a pre-requisite for commercial sale, and that other regulations may be applicable.
Re: [Vo]:no evidence yet of safety certificate.
At 02:58 PM 9/13/2012, Craig Haynie wrote: Can someone confirm the power output? The certificate says: Power In: 200 kw (max) Power Out: 1MW Water flow rate: 1500 kg/hr Temperature in: 85C Temperature out: 120C As AK pointed out, this particular certificate doesn't certify the performance. I think the 85C-in is needed for 120C out. You can feed in colder water and get sub-boiling water out. The leaked operating manual are clearer on this.
[Vo]:Peswiki Sterling Allen Report : Self-looped infinite COP ecat ?
http://pesn.com/2012/09/11/9602180_2012_E-Cat_Conference_Report--1_MW_E-Cat_Ready/ (plus other links). Biggest news/ leak is : A little secret I'll let you in on is that Rossi does have self-looped data for the Hot-Cat, but chose not to release that at this time. Self-looped is effectively a COP of infinity. One likely reason for Rossi holding back on that data is that the present stipulation of the safety certification requires that the unit not be self-looped. He also says that the 2.3 COP Hot eCat is throttled back for safety reasons. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner
Sterling Allen also posted a link to a video http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Rohner%27s_Noble_Gas_Engine#Plasma_Cycle_is_Not_Air_Driven A 1-cylinder Papp is assembled from scratch, charged with gas and operated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-coQ84XU The cylinder fires against a large spring : it looks to me as if it moves at least an inch. On the recovery stroke it generates current through a capacitor, driving an electric motor. This was just set up to prove it's not air-driven (feuding Rohners) -- there's no way of calculating the power balance. He has a cylinder of pre-mixed gas (which he says costs $1700). (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Hot-Cat fails test -- Cool-Cat OK?
Also note the paragraph at the end : It is important to make a clear distinction between high temperature prototype, which test measurement has been made, and the recent safety certified 1 MW plant. We work for a separate validation of the 1 MW plant full operation, says Magnus Holm
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion
The page is up for formal deletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination) I haven't decided yet whether to vote for Delete or Keep. I'll probably go with a snarky Keep.
Re: [Vo]:Hot-Cat fails test : Rossi's still in ALL CAPS MODE
Andrea Rossi September 10th, 2012 at 3:14 PM DEAR READERS: TODAY A BIG MESS IS POPPED OUT FROM A SHORT MEASUREMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE THE LAST WEEK. I REALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PERSONS HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED WHAT I CLEARLY SAID IN MY PRELIMINAR STATEMENT IN THE REPORT PRESENTED IN ZURICH: I SAID THAT ALL THE DATA ARE NOT FINAL, THE VALIDATION, THE RD, THE CERTIFICATION OF THE HIGH TEMPERATURE REACTOR ARE IN COURSE AND THE FINAL REPORT WILL BE RELEASED WITHIN MONTHS. NOW, A GUY COMES HERE (INVITED FROM US) MAKES SOME HOUR OF MEASUREMENT, GOES AWAY AND A WEEK AFTER MAKES A PRESS CONFERENCE LIKE HE HAS MADE A PROCESS OF VALIDATION THAT TAKES MONTHES: DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? I AM VERY CONFUSED. ANYWAY: THE EXTERNAL SURFACE OF OUR REACTOR IS 933 CM^2 THE TEMPERATURE WE REACH WHEN IT IS STABLE IS 1050 CELSIUS ON THE EXTERNAL SURFACE. THE GUY IS ESCAPED FROM US BEFORE THE REACTOR REACHED THE DUE TEMPERATURE SAYING HE HAD SEEN ENOUGH ( ENOUGH OF WHAT?). THE MAX POWER OF THE RESISTANCE IS 8 kW WITH THESE NUMBERS ONLY, THE ENERGY PRODUCED IS ABOUT 17 kWH/H, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE ENERGY FROM THE INTERNAL CYLINDER (WHATEVER IT IS), THE CONVECTION ENERGY ( WHICH IS A LOT). NOW: IN THE NEXT 2 MONTHS WE HAVE TO ARRIVE TO A PRECISE DETERMINATION OF THE MAXIMUM COP, BUT JUST FROM THESE VERY BASIC ANC CONSTANT NUMBERS ( INDIPENDENT FROM THE MEASUREMENTS OF AMPS AND OHMS) WE HAVE A COP AROUND 2. THE ITER PROGRAM, TO MAKE ENERGY WITH NUCLEAR HOT FUSION, IS COSTED 100 BILLION OF EUROS AND GOT NOT EVEN 1.01 OF COP. SO, WHAT ? IN THE FINAL REPORT YOU WILL SEE A LIST OF MANY PROFESSORS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE MAKING ALL THE NECESSARY MEASUREMENTS FOR MONTHS. LET ME WORK, AND LET THE TEAM OF PROFESSORS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE MAKING THE VALIDATION ANDE CERTIFICATION WORK. THIS TIME, ANYWAY, WE GOT FRIENDLY FIRE, IT APPEARS. ANDREA ROSSI
[Vo]:Zurich report from Horst via Myron Evans
http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/e-cat-congress-in-zurich/ In a message dated 10/09/2012 11:30:41 GMT Daylight Time, [Horst ] writes: I am back now from the congress. This was a big succuss with about 200 participants. Rossi attended all sessions and gave an extensive evening talk with myriads of details. Main topic of the congress however was not the technique but market introduction aspects and comparisons with other technologies. The situation with the E-cat is as follows: Currently a 1 MW version in a container is going to be shipped. A first installation at military exists but cannot ve visited. In about 3 months a company in North Italy will have a first machine from series production which can be studied by interested buyers and investors. The 1 MW version has been certified for industry usage. The 10 kW version takes longer to certify since some experience with the industrial version has to be available first. Sales may not start before summer/autumn 2013. .. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Zurich report from Horst via Myron Evans
At 04:01 PM 9/10/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/e-cat-congress-in-zurich/ Evans seems to be associated with Unified Field Theory stuff ... Horst = H. Eckardt, Ph.D. (Munich) http://www.aias.us/index.php?goto=showPageByTitlepageTitle=Home http://www.aias.us/index.php?goto=showPageByTitlepageTitle=Unified_Field_Theory_papers [226] General ECE Theory of Field And Particle Interaction: Application to Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a226thpaper.pdf [227] ECE Theory of Low Energy Interaction From The Fermion Equation and Carbon Arc Induced Nuclear Fusion http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a227thpaper.pdf
[Vo]:Mats Lewan -- New Magazine
I only just found out that Mats now has his own magazine (as managing editor) : http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/we-just-launched-next-magasin-on-how-technologys-changing-the-world A few days ago we finally launched Next Magasin a new magazine on how technologys changing the world (just to be clear, its only in Swedish for now). Im the managing editor and its been a great time to work with the first issue, which is free to download http://www.nextmagasin.se/ or to read on Ipad/Android/Pc. ... http://www.facebook.com/NextMagasin http://twitter.com/nextmagasin (Next Magasin is published by Talentum Sweden which also publishes Ny Teknik and the business magazine Affärsvärlden, among other titles). (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?
More tea-leaf reading : problems with the domestic certification ? Andrea Rossi August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 AM Dear Koen Vandewalle: We have all the resources necessary for a development of our technology, based on our businessplant. I do not think we will have delays as for the industrial apparatuses. For the domestic ones, certification will be possible, I think, after the industrialplants will have produced enough statistics. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible
At 12:50 PM 8/30/2012, Axil Axil wrote: Michael McKubre said that the reason he believes completely in the reality of the Papp engine reaction for the last 14 years is that Papp ran a full demo of his engine in front of patent examiners to their total satisfaction using a dynamometer it worked as advertised. On the strength of this demo, the patent office was forced to give Papp a patent on his engine. Is that documented anywhere? (googling doesn't give any quick, definitive links). Are patent office communications archived? The Papp engine is the only LENR device that has ever been patented. Since it depends on a plasma, I'd call it Hot fusion.
Re: [Vo]:Stronghold argument and Feynman (was:Feynman on the Papp engine and explosion)
At 09:31 AM 8/21/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Folks, if you are not prepared to lose $350, plus more (for the fuel and to actually build a piston/cylinder) don't buy one of those kits. There is a high risk, from the history of this field. Caveat emptor. I'd be happy to contribute a small amount (say $50) towards a popper kit set-up. (Hummingbird's tears, but they add up).
RE: [Vo]:DGT Forum Back Online -- REGISTRATION MESSAGE
If you're registered on DGT forum you need to check your messages for instructions on how to keep your registration (They apparently sent 5 messages which they deleted before being read)
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ⥠782keV can cause a proton to capture an electron to yield an ultra cold neutron. p + ⥠782KeV + e- » n + νe Unreadable for me. Krivit is making a Big Deal out of this presentation, and McKubre's co-authorship. I rather doubt that McKubre has reversed his position on neutrons. It is not clear at all that co-authorship represents endorsement of all of a presentation's conclusions or speculations. They just state it as a fact (in a couple of places ... for p+e and d+e ) Haven't been to Krivit's yet. But Coulomb shielding and hydrinos are still in play : see [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg69419.html http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWSPROFESSORS/pdf/LENR%20Korea%20ICCF-17%20Poster.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation - Krivit link
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, you wrote: They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : Unreadable for me. Krivit is making a Big Deal out of this presentation, and McKubre's co-authorship. I rather doubt that McKubre has reversed his position on neutrons. It is not clear at all that co-authorship represents endorsement of all of a presentation's conclusions or speculations. ICCF-17 Update and News http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/17/iccf-17-update-and-news/
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Unreadable for me. Full paper : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf Appendix A just lists a bunch of reactions ... with NO direct reference to WL (may be in the other Godes papers).
Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
At 04:29 PM 8/14/2012, Michael Foster wrote: The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that the helium in the noble gas mixture will stay in the cylinder for an appreciable length of time. Helium is notoriously fugitive and will escape from virtuall any container not made of solid glass or metal. O-rings just aren't going to work in their engine unless the noble gas mixture can be replenished frequently. Both the new patent application and John Rohner's descrpition http://pesn.com/2009/07/18/9501554_Plasma_Transition_Process_motor_system/ say there is a gas cannister so that the engine can be recharged on the fly : The same volume of gas mixture is used for reaction over and over again for an extended period of time. Loss of gas mixture is not considered because of the increased pressure during the power stroke and the vacuum during the non power stroke. So any gas leaking past the sealing rings of the pistons will be very small. The PlasmERG controller also has a refuel action to keep this from being a field problem. PlasmERG's fuel cans look like the air conditioner refueler freon cans used to refill a car air conditioner. They are screwed in and used as needed. . They also sense cylinder reaction power output, so they know when to refuel; and they expect to be able to do this automatically on the run.
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ Report from ICCF-17August 14, 2012 I thought this comment from Tyler van Houwelingen deserved to be in separate post. Thanks Tyler! Greetings from ICCF-17, After seeing the DGT presentation, speaking with them and speaking with people who have been onsite to see the hyperion in Greece, my take is that they are farther away from having a commercial ready device than we had hoped. Based on what people are telling me here with first hand knowledge, as recently as 3 weeks ago they were still unable to obtain stable demos of their technology (problems with the spark plugs failing), thus I suspect no chance of any 3rd party results soon as we had hoped and they had promised. They stated something along these lines yesterday, saying now they will release 3rd party results only after receiving certification. That said, DGT does appear to be pretty sound both with the science and engineering, however I believe they will need more resources and a bit of luck to get this to market in the next 6-12 months. IMHO Brillouin is also very solid, as we knew, but still probably at least 1 year from commercial readiness as well. IMHO That just leaves Rossi in the short term and there are lots of mixed messages about him. Some things people with first hand knowledge are telling me makes me more confident, some things less. At this point on day 2 of the show I am lowering my optimism of commercial readiness in my presentation a bit. Maybe it will come back up before Friday when I present, we shall see. By the way, Celanis demo is being setup now and looks AWESOME. Finally seeing LENR first hand is very cool. With 25W excess heat expected, I will see if we can boil some water for the coffee here at the conference . tyler In addition, Jed Rothewell has been reporting on vortex-l about the Celani device that is being set up at the meeting:
Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments
At 01:47 PM 8/14/2012, Joe Hughes wrote: Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/ Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in the comments at the bottom of the article. Joe The usual old blank run, no calorimeter ... very neatly put down by martinezrr in the next post
Re: [Vo]:Gas driven E-cat = Gas BURNER
Iggy Dalrymple August 12th, 2012 at 10:17 PM Dear Dr Rossi, Regarding the fact that your industrial Hot-Cat can now be driven by gas: What type gas, propane? If driven by gas, do you still require electricity for the controls? If electric is still required, will a battery suffice? Sincerely, Iggy Dalrymple Andrea Rossi August 13th, 2012 at 7:19 AM Dear Iggy Dalrymple: Any gas. We are now designing the best possible catalyzed burner. Warm Regards, A.R. So this is NOT COP=infinity gas feedback FROM the eCat .. it's a Propane (or equivalent) replacement of the electric heater.
Re: [Vo]:Inteligentry Papp Engine plans ... 6-cylinder 1MW 150lbs, 12-cylinder 3MW 250lbs
I was asked on another (skeptical) forum how the Papp manages to transmit all its energy to the crankshaft, and only get warm. (In the second new-papp video John Rohner said they were planning to replace the metal piston with a molded plastic / composite piston, which would self-seal with the cylinder, so the teflon rings wouldn't be needed. )
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012 - Rydberg H
At 03:11 PM 8/9/2012, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Thanks, I perused it, but I'm not sure how Defkalion incorporates this into their proposed theory. Does anyone have any insights? -- Lou Pagnucco So's paper: http://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A53984973-1766-45cc-8bcf-055be714ed73/datastreams/THESIS01 Nothing directly, except from the introduction : It has been proposed that Rydberg atoms could be used for nanoscale pattern deposition on surfaces [6], especially as the spatial distribution of the Rydberg atoms could be controlled using low-intensity standing wave laser fields [6] or inhomogeneous electric fields [7, 8] and the fact that Rydberg H's are well-behaved (reproducible, and conform to theory) in the vicinity of a metal surface. Defkalion suggest that suitable magic elements in their Ni mix can guide the RSH's to the Active Nuclear Sites -- maybe by creating inhomogeneous electric fields. Papers 7,8 control the distance of Rydberg atoms from the surface, not their position parallel to the surface. [7] T. Breeden and H. Metcalf. Stark Acceleration of Rydberg Atoms in Inhomogeneous Electric Fields. Phys. Rev. Lett. 47, 1726 (1981). [8] E. Vliegen and F. Merkt, Phys. Rev. Lett., 97 (3), 033002 (2006). http://physics.aps.org/story/v18/st3 So also uses two lasers (VHF and UVHF) to set up the Rydberg states ... maybe related to Hagelstein's two-laser beat frequency stimulation. (Hagelstein wasn't the first to use this, but I just closed my browser window on one of his papers).
Re: [Vo]:AP Fleischmann obit
At 04:09 PM 8/10/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news-DS-Cold-Fusion-Chemist-Martin-Fleischmann-Dies-at-85-080912.aspx Research on cold fusion persists on the fringes of the scientific world. Psheeesh !!!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 11:34 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Part I : audio accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. Disguised or Masquerading proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everything happens very quickly. Cascade of nuclear reactions with very short 1/2-life (Developing real-time mass spectrometer) End up with gamma, possibly absorbed by heavy electrons Needs a pulse from HI-voltage spark plugs. One burst of power from each pulse. They just fixed the pdf links : 2012-08-08_NIWeek_Defkalion Summary_Defining a new source of energy-.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=24 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 11:40 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: 2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 165007 (2012) [5 pages] Novel Attractive Force between Ions in Quantum Plasmas P. K. Shukla1,2,* and B. Eliasson1, (PRL says that Abstracts are fully protected by copyrights).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 12:33 PM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Reference 5 is to http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i16/e165007 Full paper is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.5556
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 12:40 PM 8/9/2012, Teslaalset wrote: Here's a link to the pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556v6.pdf You beat me to it!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012
At 01:16 PM 8/9/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23 I couldn't find the So paper (other than abstract) on the interaction between Rydberg H and metals, but here's a similar one which references him : http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/45/1/015204/article/ Detection of electrons in the surface ionization of H Rydberg atoms and H2 Rydberg molecules
Re: [Vo]:e-cat at 1200°C
At 12:14 PM 8/7/2012, Michele Comitini wrote: Hot summer for Rossi. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=679cpage=3#comment-296311 Also : http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=679cpage=3#comment-297077 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2012 at 4:53 PM To Whom it may interest: After the validation of the Hot Cat made on July 16th we made today another Third Party Validation, with the Certificator: the results have been the same of the test made on July 16th. The power of the Hot Cat is 10 kW. The maximum temperature we reached has been 1 200 Celsius. Of this validation will be made an indipendent report which will be published soon. This test has been performed in the Product Validation Process that we have asked after the Safety Certification. This test has been directed by an indipendent Nuclear Engineer who is leading the certification processes of the industrial plants. We are extremely enthusiast of the work of today, because is the second time we get a third party validation in a month, getting the same results. Warm Regards, A.R. and Jake Di Vita August 8th, 2012 at 9:57 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Is there a theoretical limit in your mind to the potential temperature of the Hot Cat? Andrea Rossi August 8th, 2012 at 10:04 AM Dear Jake Di Vita: There is a limit due to the fact that nickel melts at 1455 Celsius degrees, but we will have to heat water, so the actual limit will be 600 Celsius when we will go to make steam. At 600 Celsius the efficiency will be around 50%. Wre are working on this, now, with our Friends of Swedish Siemens Friends. When we told them we reached 1 200 Celsius they became lyric. Warm Regards, Andrea
Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012 + NANOR Status
At 10:16 AM 8/8/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Akira Shirakawa wrote: Please watch this from minute 15:00 onward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw There's a rough transcript at http://ecatnews.com/?p=2291 Photo of some attendees and ID's ... including Alexandros Xanthoulis (Defkalion GT founder) A lot of comments (cautiously) optimistic on Celani and Hagelstein, now totally against Rossi. Nicholas Payne Reply August 8, 2012 at 6:09 pm I just emailed his [Hagelstein's] secretary Ms Davco who says the NANOR is out being tested elsewhere, but he hopes to have a better demo of it at MIT later this year.
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman
At 04:12 PM 8/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: A first hand eye witness to the Dr. Rickard P. Feynman ill fated demo said Dr. Feynman actually kills that poor unlucky by-stander when he pulled the power plug which in tern disables the control electronics on the Papp engine and the engine over-revs. The engine eventually blows a rod the killed the guy. Cal Tech removed all records of the incident to protect Feynman and so died the Papp engine in the science community. Feynman's account is at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman,Video
Feynman's account is at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html Infinite Energy description : http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html Papp demonstrating his engine with a dynonometer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wZqDQ7Pjg
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman,Video
At 05:05 PM 8/8/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Feynman's account is at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html Infinite Energy description : http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html Papp demonstrating his engine with a dynonometer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wZqDQ7Pjg The video is discussed at : http://hutchisoneffect.ca/Academy_Video%20of%20Jimmy%20Sabori%27s%20Papp%20Engine%20Variants%20-%20PESWiki.htm New Energy Congress member, and science advisor to PES Network, Ken Rauen, who has had extensive direct involvement with the Joseph Papp engine technology, says that what is shown below as a working device is not Sabori's work, but that of Joseph Papp, and that Sabori's work is not worth chasing. He provides some background in who's who in the field, including some developments that are imminent.
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
At 07:39 PM 8/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Jed, Obama was indeed NOT born in Hawaii. If he was, why the fake Birth Certificate? Why hide his Birth Certificate for so long? Once again, I find myself having to correct your misinformation. You like taking pot shots and insult those you disagree with, using these one liners. Jojo http://thefogbow.com/forum/index.php
[Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...
Rossi blog : Marco July 31st, 2012 at 4:57 AM Dear Andrea, some day ago I asked you something about Siemens turbines, since Siemens is about to buy Ansaldo Energia. Now I have gathered more detailed information. First, the acquisition of Ansaldo Energia by Siemens is very likely. Second, Ansaldo Energia has better turbines as Siemens, so this is one of the reasons of its interest. Third, Ansaldo Energia has strong Nuclear Power expertise, again a strong reason to buy it. Fourth, and most relevant for your concerns, Ansaldo Energia has a department working on cold fusion/LENR energy I dont know if after this acquisition Siemens is going to be the best partner for you. It could steal your secrets What do you think? Andrea Rossi July 31st, 2012 at 7:56 AM Dear Marco: We trust in Siemens. Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/update-from-brillouin-energy/ GreenWin on July 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm dragonX, you recall of course that Andrea Di Vita was one of the scientists who attended Rossis October 28, 2011 1MW demo in Bologna. DiVita was interviewed briefly and told the reporter his job (at Ansaldo Energia) required him to stay abreast of cold fusion. He indicated that he was attending the demo to evaluate a relationship with Rossi/Focardi. What is more interesting is the struggle for control of Ansaldo at the moment. It is jointly owned by Italys biggest defense contractor and an American energy investment company. The Americans are not particularly interested in selling to Siemens AG at the current offer (around $1.3B) http://finmeccanica.academia.edu/Departments/PDE_ISV_CEN http://finmeccanica.academia.edu/AndreaDiVita (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...
A few more dots : http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/03/lenr-meets-henr-in-turin/ Walter Pecorella University of Rome Tor Vergata, Ansaldo EnergiaRe: 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in H Loaded Met http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2t=150#p461 http://www.iscmns.org/work10/participants.htm Dr WalterPecorella Ansaldo Energia ITALY
Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...
At 12:37 PM 7/31/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Andrea Aparo, Senior Advisor RD - Ansaldo Energia Spa Putting down $1.5M for a 1MW eCat would be chicken-feed (vs sparrow tears) for them.
[Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?
http://emdrive.com/ Latest news July 2012 An English translation of the 2010 Chinese paper, together with unpublished test results have been obtained. The last line of the paper confirms that experimental thrust measurements have been made at 1kW input power. The unpublished test results show a large number of thrust measurements at input powers up to 2.5kW. The mean specific thrust obtained is close to that measured in the SPR flight thruster tests. Note that the Chinese thruster, if deployed on the ISS, would easily provide the necessary delta V to compensate for orbital decay, thus eliminating the need for the reboost/refueling missions. The original 2010 paper, the translation and the unpublished test results are given here: NWPU 2010 paper (Chinese) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010paper.pdf NWPU 2010 paper (English translation) http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010translation.pdf NWPU 2010 unpublished test results http://www.emdrive.com/NWPU2010testresults.pdf Conclusion : ... With 1000W microwave input, using brass as the material of the cavity, using the classical theory of electrodynamics, the maximum theoretical thrust produced in modes TE011 and TE012 is 411mN and 456mN respectively, and the practical measurements are 214mN and 315mN. (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Company offering E-cats for sale in Australia
At 03:27 PM 7/16/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/16/e_cat_opens_australian_web_shopfront/ I would need a lot of convincing that they were on the up-and-up before giving them any of my money. Looks to me like the standard ecat licensee foo. (Domestic : Mid 2012 -- now passed -- has slipped to mid 2013)
