Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
I think the answer is simple. He is jealous. In one breath he claims that Rossi is producing excess heat and wants him to share information. Next, he is making skeptical remarks. It makes it clear to me that he wishes he could produce the same output Rossi can. So instead of admitting that, he attacks Rossi. From: Robert Leguillon To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern Jed, You claimed previously that you didn't know of any smart people that disagreed on the results of Rossi's demos (a swipe at all of the remaining "vortex contrarians"). Obviously you respect Ahern's technical abilities. So, now that Ahern is claiming excess power with Ni-H, but doubting Rossi's claims, could you ask him why he doubts the demonstrations? Maybe he has some new revelations? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:43:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Someone pointed out to me that Ahern has been posting incendiary comments to Krivit's blog, such as this one, in which he loses the argument, according to Goodwin's Law; a.k.a. Reductio ad Hitlerum: "This criticism of Rossi is far to leient. He is making his beggest claim yet with no back up data whatsoever! Hitler got away with the big lie by deftly mixing in some small amount of truth. Rossi doesn’t seem to need to mix in even small amounts of truth any longer." I expect Ahern is jealous. He knows perfectly well that Rossi has real heat. He is pretty stupid posting baseless accusations. Ahern does not like Rossi personally. That is his business. I do not think it is wise to plaster your private dislikes all over the Internet. Who cares whether you like someone or not? Ahern should not let his feelings interfere with a technical evaluation. People betting against Rossi are playing a losing hand. Ahern should know that, based on his own results. Anyway, I quoted his message to me. He has said that many times. He has also often claimed that Rossi is a fraud and so on. Apparently he thinks the heat is real but exaggerated, and even though Rossi has a real effect, he is a fraud. That seems unlikely to me. It seems irrational. I suppose most of the scientists attacking Rossi are jealous. That is not surprising. He is miles ahead of them. Academic scientists are prone to hissy fits. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Robert Leguillon wrote: > You claimed previously that you didn't know of any smart people that > disagreed on the results of Rossi's demos . . . > That is not quite what I said. I do not know any smart people -- or stupid ones either -- who disagree for valid technical reasons. Regarding cold fusion in general I know many smart people who do not know the first thing about it yet who say with great authority that it does not exist. > Obviously you respect Ahern's technical abilities. So, now that Ahern is > claiming excess power with Ni-H, but doubting Rossi's claims, could you ask > him why he doubts the demonstrations? Maybe he has some new revelations? > No, he has none. I have discussed this with him. His reasons are similar to Mary Yugo's. He points to Rossi's personality, his dark past in which he was convicted of defrauding himself, and -- for example -- the fact that Rossi demonstrated different types of reactors in the different tests. Like Yugo he refuses to address the fact that these tests are first principle proof even though the instruments are inadequate. The proof is not based on the instruments. I expect he understands that whereas I'm sure Yugo does not. He is not as bad as Yugo insofar as he admits that Rossi does have heat sometimes to some extent. As I said he would be crazy to deny this given his own results. This is an emotional response. It is unbecoming of a scientist, but after all scientists are only human. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Jed, You claimed previously that you didn't know of any smart people that disagreed on the results of Rossi's demos (a swipe at all of the remaining "vortex contrarians"). Obviously you respect Ahern's technical abilities. So, now that Ahern is claiming excess power with Ni-H, but doubting Rossi's claims, could you ask him why he doubts the demonstrations? Maybe he has some new revelations? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:43:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Someone pointed out to me that Ahern has been posting incendiary comments to Krivit's blog, such as this one, in which he loses the argument, according to Goodwin's Law; a.k.a. Reductio ad Hitlerum: "This criticism of Rossi is far to leient. He is making his beggest claim yet with no back up data whatsoever! Hitler got away with the big lie by deftly mixing in some small amount of truth. Rossi doesn’t seem to need to mix in even small amounts of truth any longer." I expect Ahern is jealous. He knows perfectly well that Rossi has real heat. He is pretty stupid posting baseless accusations. Ahern does not like Rossi personally. That is his business. I do not think it is wise to plaster your private dislikes all over the Internet. Who cares whether you like someone or not? Ahern should not let his feelings interfere with a technical evaluation. People betting against Rossi are playing a losing hand. Ahern should know that, based on his own results. Anyway, I quoted his message to me. He has said that many times. He has also often claimed that Rossi is a fraud and so on. Apparently he thinks the heat is real but exaggerated, and even though Rossi has a real effect, he is a fraud. That seems unlikely to me. It seems irrational. I suppose most of the scientists attacking Rossi are jealous. That is not surprising. He is miles ahead of them. Academic scientists are prone to hissy fits. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
I think that there are a group of competitors that are working together to try and bash Rossi, so they can slow down the commercialization of the E-Cat until they can make their systems produce 1/10th as much output. For the time being they are putting aside their differences. From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern Daniel Rocha wrote: Krivit claimed that a few days ago. It was the topic of one of his blog posts, I think. Ah. Well, he did not ask Ahern. Brian always speaks his mind. He is quite clear about this issue. I can't imagine where Krivit got his information. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
He is very jealous. From what I hear, he has only been able to produce small amounts of output (perhaps 10-50 watts). Rossi has produced a technology that generates huge amounts of output. Rossi once stated that a 50cc reactor core has a maximum safe output of 10 kilowatts. The problem with the Rossi tech is not producing enough heat, it is not producing too much! There are a bunch of competitors going around bad mouthing Rossi right now. They may have a right to criticize his business practices, but they have no right to criticize his technology. No one has produced a cold fusion technology that produces anywhere close as much output. Also, I wonder why he is wanting Rossi to share so much information. I wonder if he had a technology that could produce 10 kW from a 50cc reactor if he would share much information. From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern Someone pointed out to me that Ahern has been posting incendiary comments to Krivit's blog, such as this one, in which he loses the argument, according to Goodwin's Law; a.k.a. Reductio ad Hitlerum: "This criticism of Rossi is far to leient. He is making his beggest claim yet with no back up data whatsoever! Hitler got away with the big lie by deftly mixing in some small amount of truth. Rossi doesn’t seem to need to mix in even small amounts of truth any longer." I expect Ahern is jealous. He knows perfectly well that Rossi has real heat. He is pretty stupid posting baseless accusations. Ahern does not like Rossi personally. That is his business. I do not think it is wise to plaster your private dislikes all over the Internet. Who cares whether you like someone or not? Ahern should not let his feelings interfere with a technical evaluation. People betting against Rossi are playing a losing hand. Ahern should know that, based on his own results. Anyway, I quoted his message to me. He has said that many times. He has also often claimed that Rossi is a fraud and so on. Apparently he thinks the heat is real but exaggerated, and even though Rossi has a real effect, he is a fraud. That seems unlikely to me. It seems irrational. I suppose most of the scientists attacking Rossi are jealous. That is not surprising. He is miles ahead of them. Academic scientists are prone to hissy fits. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Someone pointed out to me that Ahern has been posting incendiary comments to Krivit's blog, such as this one, in which he loses the argument, according to Goodwin's Law; a.k.a. *Reductio ad Hitlerum:* * * "This criticism of Rossi is far to leient. He is making his beggest claim yet with no back up data whatsoever! Hitler got away with the big lie by deftly mixing in some small amount of truth. Rossi doesn’t seem to need to mix in even small amounts of truth any longer."* * I expect Ahern is jealous. He knows perfectly well that Rossi has real heat. He is pretty stupid posting baseless accusations. Ahern does not like Rossi personally. That is his business. I do not think it is wise to plaster your private dislikes all over the Internet. Who cares whether you like someone or not? Ahern should not let his feelings interfere with a technical evaluation. People betting against Rossi are playing a losing hand. Ahern should know that, based on his own results. Anyway, I quoted his message to me. He has said that many times. He has also often claimed that Rossi is a fraud and so on. Apparently he thinks the heat is real but exaggerated, and even though Rossi has a real effect, he is a fraud. That seems unlikely to me. It seems irrational. I suppose most of the scientists attacking Rossi are jealous. That is not surprising. He is miles ahead of them. Academic scientists are prone to hissy fits. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Daniel Rocha wrote: Krivit claimed that a few days ago. It was the topic of one of his blog > posts, I think. Ah. Well, he did not ask Ahern. Brian always speaks his mind. He is quite clear about this issue. I can't imagine where Krivit got his information. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Krivit claimed that a few days ago. It was the topic of one of his blog posts, I think. 2011/11/18 Jed Rothwell > (Someone here claimed that Ahern does not believe Rossi . . . I do not > recall who.) > >
[Vo]:Clarifications from Brian Ahern
Brian Ahern wrote to me: "I [will] give a presentation on the topic of energy localization. I believe [Rossi] did in fact see lots of heat on certain occasions, but he lacks the ability to probe for the conditions that produce the energy. . . ." As I said yesterday, the topic of "energy localization" is over my head. Brian was reiterating what he told me before, which is that he definitely does believe Rossi has seen anomalous energy, but he does not think Rossi has good control over it, or good understanding of it. As I remarked here, it would be weird for Ahern not to believe Rossi when he himself has seen the same effects. (Someone here claimed that Ahern does not believe Rossi . . . I do not recall who.) Ahern does not like Rossi's business practices. He thinks that Rossi is being selfish because he does not share information. I told him: "This discovery is worth billions of dollars. It is unreasonable for you to demand Rossi give it away for nothing. Until he gets a patent he should keep it secret." - Jed
