RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
They do, about 1/2000th that of a proton.
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: helloke...@sbcglobal.net
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic
particles; spatial harmonic resonances
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> Do electons have mass or do they not?
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> Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a
> MASSless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial
> properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines
> originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier
> leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of
> the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but
> with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which
> would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum
> vacuum,
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> thereby increasing the inertia and thus manifesting a heavier MASS.
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> ***A MASSless particle won't manifest a heavier MASS. Either way, the theory
> postulates that electrons would acquire intertia. That means the electrons
> are manipulable, and if they have inertia, they can be pushed away from
> Protons in the Hydrogen nuclei and thus the Coulomb barrier is easier to
> overcome. I postulate this in the thread where I suggest the Poynting
> Asymmetrical Capacitor Thrust vector is discussed
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66755.html
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
Do electons have mass or do they not? Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a MASSless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, thereby increasing the inertia and thus manifesting a heavier MASS. ***A MASSless particle won't manifest a heavier MASS. Either way, the theory postulates that electrons would acquire intertia. That means the electrons are manipulable, and if they have inertia, they can be pushed away from Protons in the Hydrogen nuclei and thus the Coulomb barrier is easier to overcome. I postulate this in the thread where I suggest the Poynting Asymmetrical Capacitor Thrust vector is discussed http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66755.html
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
Hi Mark, Clarification please, you wrote: "...such that the effects of the equal and opposite zones are prevented from cancelling..." R U referring here to a polarization of the vacuum as well, creating a dipole of some sort? Not a dipole but rather an accumulation and segregation of like "spacetime micro-curvature effects'" into regions bounded by the lattice geometry or in the extreme the Casimir cavity where I posit the concentrated suppression inside the cavity must be balanced by a shallow compression distributed across the exterior plate surfaces where the area -intensity products are equal. Gas atoms exposed equally to both regions might cancel the effects but I suspect that nature and geometry cause gas atoms to be exposed in a biased manner that leads to anomalies. And this: "It's all about the segregation of these 'spacetime micro-curvature effects' mentioned by Nickisch and Mollere." I think these spacetime micro crvatures are a mesoscopic example of the wormholes theorized to exist at the quantum foam scale but brought up to this scale by interaction with the lattice that organizes and segregates them into repeating space-time regions that vary with geometry based on suppression - to some extent there is a casimir force holding bulk metals and powders together in layers even when solid the "suppression" is there holding the bulk together even if the "layers" are real or just imaginary. So it's not electrical dipoles but you have polarization of the suppression levels wherever the isotropy is broken - lattices or more so in Casimir cavities. It may lead to the dipole effects you mention later when h+ is introduced to this lattice environment ... we are all beating in the same bushes but when you start exchanging space and time the effect on mass and other metrics starts to become gibberish / conflictive..you almost need to state your perspective in front of every metric or someone will come along and show you to be wrong from their perspective... inertia , equivalence, time dilation and rydberg matter may all be just a matter of perspective from different suppression levels. Regards Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances Hi Fran... What I like about their work, especially the recent stuff, is that it is based on a physical model.. a physical reality, and not just abstract math. Clarification please, you wrote: "...such that the effects of the equal and opposite zones are prevented from cancelling..." R U referring here to a polarization of the vacuum as well, creating a dipole of some sort? And this: "It's all about the segregation of these 'spacetime micro-curvature effects' mentioned by Nickisch and Mollere." Again, segregation would imply a separation or concentration of into a nonhomogenous state, at least at a microscopic/nanoscopic level. In my visual model, this separation then sets up local 'fields' which impart forces onto subatomic particles. At a large scale these fields manifest as the electric and magnetic fields. Again, I feel strongly that we could easily come up with better models if we started from scratch and only considered models which i ncorporated some physical reality to them... I recently posted a msg to the Collective on just such a model which is very similar to mine, but which has been developed and more importantly described, to a much greater extent. It is still basically a qualitative model, but at least it explains numerous phenomena with a logical physical model; physical entities: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66212.html http://cordus.wordpress.com/ For you theoretical types, I think it's worth the read... -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances Mark, Nice choice of citations, I believe Haisch and Rueda got it right but the connection drawn by Nickisch and Mollere (2002): zero-point fluctuations give rise to spacetime micro-curvature effects yielding the origin of inertia could, in fact should have gone further I think the wormholes described at the quantum foam level can be responsible for most of the anomalous claims we are discussing on vortex, from superconductivity to modification of decay rates, Casimir effect and unexplained spectrum shifts. What we call isotropic space time is only a macro effect that can actually be segregated to different levels by matter and geometry - not giving anything for
RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
Hi Fran. What I like about their work, especially the recent stuff, is that it is based on a physical model.. a physical reality, and not just abstract math. Clarification please, you wrote: ".such that the effects of the equal and opposite zones are prevented from cancelling." R U referring here to a polarization of the vacuum as well, creating a dipole of some sort? And this: "It's all about the segregation of these 'spacetime micro-curvature effects' mentioned by Nickisch and Mollere." Again, segregation would imply a separation or concentration of into a nonhomogenous state, at least at a microscopic/nanoscopic level. In my visual model, this separation then sets up local 'fields' which impart forces onto subatomic particles. At a large scale these fields manifest as the electric and magnetic fields. Again, I feel strongly that we could easily come up with better models if we started from scratch and only considered models which incorporated some physical reality to them. I recently posted a msg to the Collective on just such a model which is very similar to mine, but which has been developed and more importantly described, to a much greater extent. It is still basically a qualitative model, but at least it explains numerous phenomena with a logical physical model; physical entities: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66212.html http://cordus.wordpress.com/ For you theoretical types, I think it's worth the read. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances Mark, Nice choice of citations, I believe Haisch and Rueda got it right but the connection drawn by Nickisch and Mollere (2002): zero-point fluctuations give rise to spacetime micro-curvature effects yielding the origin of inertia could, in fact should have gone further.. I think the wormholes described at the quantum foam level can be responsible for most of the anomalous claims we are discussing on vortex, from superconductivity to modification of decay rates, Casimir effect and unexplained spectrum shifts. What we call isotropic space time is only a macro effect that can actually be segregated to different levels by matter and geometry - not giving anything for nothing but isolating equal and opposing regions of space time that average out to what we consider isotropic - the Nature paper indicates the space-time is modified by the lattice but I would posit the material exposed to these regions must be chosen to have a biased preference for one geometry over another such that the effects of the equal and opposite zones are prevented from cancelling and we get these opposing claims of decay modification from different researches using different lattices or gases. I posit the lattice equates to the Haisch Rueda abstract .[snip] in accelerated reference frames results in a force that appears to account for inertia [/snip] but, velocity relative to a perpendicular ether isn't needed - instead the "equivalent" velocity of the ether we perceive as C is directly modified through suppression [taken to extreme Casimir effect] and results in a much simpler way to modify the Pythagorean relationship between V and C .. In a Puthoff atomic model I think this "standard" relationship between matter and C is what establishes the periodic relationship of elements. This is why this paper in Nature needs the lattice to create both heavy and speedy electrons and why Rossi and Mills need the lattice to create relativistic hydrogen [call them hydrinos or inverse Rydberg hydrogen no matter] - It's all about the segregation of these "spacetime micro-curvature effects" mentioned by Nickisch and Mollere. - I think we are at a PV/T moment where time is going to be exposed as the hidden variable to be manipulated only instead of air conditioners this may yield free energy, propulsion and even the possibility of temporal effects at the macroscale. Regards Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 4:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances When I lived in SoCal I visited Dr. Rueda several times to discuss his work on inertia and the electromagnetic zero-point field. their seminal paper came out in 1994. Dr. Rueda did the math in that paper, which is way above my pay-grade! I now see that they've been applying their work to atomic physics. Update on an Electromagnetic Basis for Inertia, Gravitation, the Principle of Equivalence, Spin and Particle Mass Ratios http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0209016.pdf Abstract A po
RE: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
Mark, Nice choice of citations, I believe Haisch and Rueda got it right but the connection drawn by Nickisch and Mollere (2002): zero-point fluctuations give rise to spacetime micro-curvature effects yielding the origin of inertia could, in fact should have gone further I think the wormholes described at the quantum foam level can be responsible for most of the anomalous claims we are discussing on vortex, from superconductivity to modification of decay rates, Casimir effect and unexplained spectrum shifts. What we call isotropic space time is only a macro effect that can actually be segregated to different levels by matter and geometry - not giving anything for nothing but isolating equal and opposing regions of space time that average out to what we consider isotropic - the Nature paper indicates the space-time is modified by the lattice but I would posit the material exposed to these regions must be chosen to have a biased preference for one geometry over another such that the effects of the equal and opposite zones are prevented from cancelling and we get these opposing claims of decay modification from different researches using different lattices or gases. I posit the lattice equates to the Haisch Rueda abstract ...[snip] in accelerated reference frames results in a force that appears to account for inertia [/snip] but, velocity relative to a perpendicular ether isn't needed - instead the "equivalent" velocity of the ether we perceive as C is directly modified through suppression [taken to extreme Casimir effect] and results in a much simpler way to modify the Pythagorean relationship between V and C In a Puthoff atomic model I think this "standard" relationship between matter and C is what establishes the periodic relationship of elements. This is why this paper in Nature needs the lattice to create both heavy and speedy electrons and why Rossi and Mills need the lattice to create relativistic hydrogen [call them hydrinos or inverse Rydberg hydrogen no matter] - It's all about the segregation of these "spacetime micro-curvature effects" mentioned by Nickisch and Mollere. - I think we are at a PV/T moment where time is going to be exposed as the hidden variable to be manipulated only instead of air conditioners this may yield free energy, propulsion and even the possibility of temporal effects at the macroscale. Regards Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 4:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances When I lived in SoCal I visited Dr. Rueda several times to discuss his work on inertia and the electromagnetic zero-point field... their seminal paper came out in 1994. Dr. Rueda did the math in that paper, which is way above my pay-grade! I now see that they've been applying their work to atomic physics... Update on an Electromagnetic Basis for Inertia, Gravitation, the Principle of Equivalence, Spin and Particle Mass Ratios http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0209016.pdf Abstract A possible connection between the electromagnetic quantum vacuum and inertia was first published by Haisch, Rueda and Puthoff (1994). If correct, this would imply that mass may be an electromagnetic phenomenon and thus in principle subject to modification, with possible technological implications for propulsion. A multiyear NASA-funded study at the Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center further developed this concept, resulting in an independent theoretical validation of the fundamental approach (Rueda and Haisch, 1998ab). Distortion of the quantum vacuum in accelerated reference frames results in a force that appears to account for inertia. We have now shown that the same effect occurs in a region of curved spacetime, thus elucidating the origin of the principle of equivalence (Rueda, Haisch and Tung, 2001). [ I separated out the rest of the abstract for emphasis ] A further connection with general relativity has b een drawn by Nickisch and Mollere (2002): zero-point fluctuations give rise to spacetime micro-curvature effects yielding a complementary perspective on the origin of inertia. Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a massless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, thereby increasing the inertia and thus mani
[Vo]:FYI: ZPF-inertia work applied to subatomic particles; spatial harmonic resonances
When I lived in SoCal I visited Dr. Rueda several times to discuss his work on inertia and the electromagnetic zero-point field. their seminal paper came out in 1994. Dr. Rueda did the math in that paper, which is way above my pay-grade! I now see that they've been applying their work to atomic physics. Update on an Electromagnetic Basis for Inertia, Gravitation, the Principle of Equivalence, Spin and Particle Mass Ratios http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0209016.pdf Abstract A possible connection between the electromagnetic quantum vacuum and inertia was first published by Haisch, Rueda and Puthoff (1994). If correct, this would imply that mass may be an electromagnetic phenomenon and thus in principle subject to modification, with possible technological implications for propulsion. A multiyear NASA-funded study at the Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center further developed this concept, resulting in an independent theoretical validation of the fundamental approach (Rueda and Haisch, 1998ab). Distortion of the quantum vacuum in accelerated reference frames results in a force that appears to account for inertia. We have now shown that the same effect occurs in a region of curved spacetime, thus elucidating the origin of the principle of equivalence (Rueda, Haisch and Tung, 2001). [ I separated out the rest of the abstract for emphasis ] A further connection with general relativity has been drawn by Nickisch and Mollere (2002): zero-point fluctuations give rise to spacetime micro-curvature effects yielding a complementary perspective on the origin of inertia. Numerical simulations of this effect demonstrate the manner in which a massless fundamental particle, e.g. an electron, acquires inertial properties; this also shows the apparent origin of particle spin along lines originally proposed by Schrodinger. Finally, we suggest that the heavier leptons (muon and tau) may be explainable as spatial-harmonic resonances of the (fundamental) electron. They would carry the same overall charge, but with the charge now having spatially lobed structure, each lobe of which would respond to higher frequency components of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum, thereby increasing the inertia and thus manifesting a heavier mass. And in another paper at arXiv, I believe they incorporate a polarizable vacuum: Gravity and the Quantum Vacuum Inertia Hypothesis http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0504061.pdf Makes me seriously regret not having the math skills to express my qualitative models quantitatively. G'nite all. -Mark
