Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
One point I forgot to mention, even though you might not consider a skeletal cat as capable of granular motion I have noticed many papers refer to a "rigid" Casimir geometry. As such you could have a similar frequency sensitivity of cilia like appendages left when the softer metal is leached away from cavities on either side of the harder alloy. The ability of these rigid cilia to oscillate at certain frequencies has the same effect on hydrogen atoms as granular motion oscillon. I don't think these theories are in conflict but if they can mathematically demonstrate that the oscilion/ nanomagnetism really side steps the 2nd law than it is the certainly the better way to introduce this field to the mainstream in a manner they can accept. Fran From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:22 PM To: 'hohlr...@gmail.com' Cc: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory Hi Terry, I agree oscillon activity could explain the anomalous heat in the Rossi Reactor, and helps to explain why an external exciter of certain frequencies is necessary but I don't think this is fast enough for pair separation like the recent article using SQUIDS to create the equivalent of boundaries moving near C. I think Mills correctly depicts this as a form of super chemistry although I feel a simpler oscillation between bond states of fractional h1>http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm T
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
Hi Terry, I agree oscillon activity could explain the anomalous heat in the Rossi Reactor, and helps to explain why an external exciter of certain frequencies is necessary but I don't think this is fast enough for pair separation like the recent article using SQUIDS to create the equivalent of boundaries moving near C. I think Mills correctly depicts this as a form of super chemistry although I feel a simpler oscillation between bond states of fractional h1>http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm T
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
Rossi is not the only show in town. There is good promise that there will be a hand full of other LENR events that will hold our interest over the winter. Rossi is just one of many interesting LENR players that are in the offing. First off, I am interested in what Brian Ahern of Ames National Laboratory has to say in early December. This will hold interest for quite a while. Ahern has also been guiding George Miley’s group at UIUC on this nanotechnology, and the group seems to be enjoying a great deal of success in the month of October. Interesting… Miley has been the patron saint of my LENR opinions for sometime now. Miley has researched Rydberg hydrogen species and I have not seen any deviation to reduce his interest in this possible causation. What is missing in Miley's theories includes exact details on how Rydberg species produces LENR power. Bose Einstein condensates were often mentioned as involved. But maybe this has been recently replaced with a new powder causation mechanism. It seems to me that the long term survival of the transiton metal lattice excludes nuclear reactions as we commonly understand them. "IT PROVIDES A CONCISE EXPLANATION FOR THE BIOENERGETICS OBSERVED IN ALL ASPECTS OF NATURE.” LENR in living systems also exclude traditional nuclear reactions. * * * * * * On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Rich Murray wrote: > Given that REAL is single, self-interactive, fractal and infinite in every > possible way, then it is a reasonable fantasy to guess that something like > "adjacent" "nearby" realms of yet undiscovered energetic things exist, able > to feed tiny to huge to infinite amounts of energy and momentum into our > realm in unexpected ways, just as in 1896 when unexpected and inexplicable > excess heat output appeared in ancient uranium atoms, with various lighter > weight heavy element inpurities, including lead -- so all of us have to > always be alert for black swan anomalies -- in the long run, more fun, > too... from an incompetent scientific layman and pragmatic skeptic... > > the new realm was the nuclear, incredibly deep within the flighty little > clouds of the chemical level of electrons and a million times more > energetic... Anyone predict that? Rutherford looked for and found proof > for the nucleus in 1911, using theory to measure the size and density of > the nucleus in the first nuclear scattering experiments with alpha > particles from radium, with the scientist peering at a screen in the dark, > counting the little flashes -- did he ever shiver, hair standing on end? > Only 34 years to Hiroshima... > > the output of the Sun in all directions for hundreds of millions of years > was a similar embarassment, until 1905, when E = MC^2 opened the door to > more of REAL a crack -- > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that >> it is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as >> conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located >> in the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. >> >> >> >> In defense of the “particles bound to the side of the reactor conjecture’ >> made with the greatest respect to your opinion… >> >> I don’t yet see a justification that the powder must vibrate. In fact, >> Rossi has stated that the powder was in the micron range which may be too >> heavy to be affected by sub-nanometer quantum mechanical vibrations which >> affect atoms at very low temperatures. >> >> Rossi has indicated that his powder is micron sized. It is the tubercle >> surface coverings on the particles that are nano-sized. Vacuum energy >> springing forth from any particular point in space, is most probably too >> feeble to move a micron sized particle into motion. >> >> But the particle may need to be as small as those found in cold hydrogen >> dusty plasma. A dusty plasma contains tiny charged particles of dust (as >> typically found in space), which also behaves like a plasma. Plasma that >> contains larger particles is called grain plasma. >> >> The information we have about the Rossi reaction points to the formation >> of exotic hydrogen spices comprised of multiple atoms configured in a >> number of crystalline forms. >> >> It may be these plasma derived dust particles which are the subject to >> vibrations. >> >> Next, the temperatures within the Rossi reactor are above the Curie >> temperature of nickel which would remove any magnetic property interactions >> that are mentioned associated with these vibrations. >> >> However, Rydberg hydrogen crystals are exquisitely reactive to magnetic >> influence because of their electromagnetic characteristics. >> >> Furthermore, in living systems that have been referenced, nickel is >> seldom if ever involved, but hydrogen in some form or another are always >> found. >> >> In short, Rydberg hydrogen crystals may be the subject of the oscillon >> mechanism. >> >>
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Given that REAL is single, self-interactive, fractal and infinite in every possible way, then it is a reasonable fantasy to guess that something like "adjacent" "nearby" realms of yet undiscovered energetic things exist, able to feed tiny to huge to infinite amounts of energy and momentum into our realm in unexpected ways, just as in 1896 when unexpected and inexplicable excess heat output appeared in ancient uranium atoms, with various lighter weight heavy element inpurities, including lead -- so all of us have to always be alert for black swan anomalies -- in the long run, more fun, too... from an incompetent scientific layman and pragmatic skeptic... the new realm was the nuclear, incredibly deep within the flighty little clouds of the chemical level of electrons and a million times more energetic... Anyone predict that? Rutherford looked for and found proof for the nucleus in 1911, using theory to measure the size and density of the nucleus in the first nuclear scattering experiments with alpha particles from radium, with the scientist peering at a screen in the dark, counting the little flashes -- did he ever shiver, hair standing on end? Only 34 years to Hiroshima... the output of the Sun in all directions for hundreds of millions of years was a similar embarassment, until 1905, when E = MC^2 opened the door to more of REAL a crack -- On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it > is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as > conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located > in the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. > > > > In defense of the “particles bound to the side of the reactor conjecture’ > made with the greatest respect to your opinion… > > I don’t yet see a justification that the powder must vibrate. In fact, > Rossi has stated that the powder was in the micron range which may be too > heavy to be affected by sub-nanometer quantum mechanical vibrations which > affect atoms at very low temperatures. > > Rossi has indicated that his powder is micron sized. It is the tubercle > surface coverings on the particles that are nano-sized. Vacuum energy > springing forth from any particular point in space, is most probably too > feeble to move a micron sized particle into motion. > > But the particle may need to be as small as those found in cold hydrogen > dusty plasma. A dusty plasma contains tiny charged particles of dust (as > typically found in space), which also behaves like a plasma. Plasma that > contains larger particles is called grain plasma. > > The information we have about the Rossi reaction points to the formation > of exotic hydrogen spices comprised of multiple atoms configured in a > number of crystalline forms. > > It may be these plasma derived dust particles which are the subject to > vibrations. > > Next, the temperatures within the Rossi reactor are above the Curie > temperature of nickel which would remove any magnetic property interactions > that are mentioned associated with these vibrations. > > However, Rydberg hydrogen crystals are exquisitely reactive to magnetic > influence because of their electromagnetic characteristics. > > Furthermore, in living systems that have been referenced, nickel is seldom > if ever involved, but hydrogen in some form or another are always found. > > In short, Rydberg hydrogen crystals may be the subject of the oscillon > mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it >> is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as >> conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located in >> the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. >> >> Also, if oscillon activity does explain the anomalous heat in the Rossi >> Reactor, it is easily understood why an external exciter is necessary, eg >> the "frequencies" described by AR. >> >> Now comes the speculation for the heat source. It definitely could be a >> ZPF heat generator considering that the standing collisions could be >> limiting the pair formation much like a Casimir cavity or could be allowing >> rapid pair separation similar to the "mirror" discussed previously. >> >> In such case, the energy source could really be positron annihilation, >> each one liberating 0.511 MeV. >> >> I think Ahern, et al have found the secret with this oscillon theory. If >> so, the new game begins. >> >> Here is a simple explanation of oscillons: >> >> http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm >> >> T >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located in the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. In defense of the “particles bound to the side of the reactor conjecture’ made with the greatest respect to your opinion… I don’t yet see a justification that the powder must vibrate. In fact, Rossi has stated that the powder was in the micron range which may be too heavy to be affected by sub-nanometer quantum mechanical vibrations which affect atoms at very low temperatures. Rossi has indicated that his powder is micron sized. It is the tubercle surface coverings on the particles that are nano-sized. Vacuum energy springing forth from any particular point in space, is most probably too feeble to move a micron sized particle into motion. But the particle may need to be as small as those found in cold hydrogen dusty plasma. A dusty plasma contains tiny charged particles of dust (as typically found in space), which also behaves like a plasma. Plasma that contains larger particles is called grain plasma. The information we have about the Rossi reaction points to the formation of exotic hydrogen spices comprised of multiple atoms configured in a number of crystalline forms. It may be these plasma derived dust particles which are the subject to vibrations. Next, the temperatures within the Rossi reactor are above the Curie temperature of nickel which would remove any magnetic property interactions that are mentioned associated with these vibrations. However, Rydberg hydrogen crystals are exquisitely reactive to magnetic influence because of their electromagnetic characteristics. Furthermore, in living systems that have been referenced, nickel is seldom if ever involved, but hydrogen in some form or another are always found. In short, Rydberg hydrogen crystals may be the subject of the oscillon mechanism. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it > is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as > conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located in > the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. > > Also, if oscillon activity does explain the anomalous heat in the Rossi > Reactor, it is easily understood why an external exciter is necessary, eg > the "frequencies" described by AR. > > Now comes the speculation for the heat source. It definitely could be a > ZPF heat generator considering that the standing collisions could be > limiting the pair formation much like a Casimir cavity or could be allowing > rapid pair separation similar to the "mirror" discussed previously. > > In such case, the energy source could really be positron annihilation, > each one liberating 0.511 MeV. > > I think Ahern, et al have found the secret with this oscillon theory. If > so, the new game begins. > > Here is a simple explanation of oscillons: > > http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm > > T >
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
That's kinda what I have been saying, that magnetism is not a conserved property of the universe. I, however, correctly identified the nuclear magnetic or nuclear spin orbit force and the actor. Frank Znidarsic http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
Oscillon or soliton? Not sure which. The difference can be subtle. Neither is gainful on its own, but that is not the end-of-story. A good analogy is the 'rogue wave' on the ocean (which is a rare massive energy anomaly) but is not evidence of net gain. The net gain would then need to come from derivative interactions with the wave, and in the spirit of Hotson this could relate directly to positronium - but probably not to full "annihilation". (that would have turned up already). . more likely it is a disruption in the epo lattice, with result being the ionization potential of virtual Ps is deposited in our 3-space. This is falsifiable ! since the gain is in the form of UV light at 6.8 eV. It should be evident (but could be downshifted) when anomalous energy is seen. From: Terry Blanton I think Ahern, et al have found the secret with this oscillon theory. If so, the new game begins. Here is a simple explanation of oscillons: http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm T
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Unlike the earlier situation – where Henri demonstrated that the new kind of > radiation did not depend on an “external source” of energy (but came > spontaneously from within the metal) the source of energy in > Nanomagnetism/Energy Localization is more problematic to verbalize; but can > be described as external (at least insofar as a 4th spatial dimension is > external). Unless, of course, extra dimensions are ‘enfolded’ … and then they > can also be described as internal as well. Whether it be something internal or parallel, there will likely be "consequences" which could impact the viability of massive use of oscillon energy. I much enjoyed your speculation on the source of radioactive iodine although it had such mundane conclusion. Parallel consequences may go unnoticed in this 3-space for a while or forever. Or, like the detonation at trinity, it could summon a hoard of snoopers like the one spirited away to Wright Patterson in 1947. T
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Terry Blanton > > ** ** > > Imagine yourself in Paris around the turn of the century. You would have > been at a similar “loss for words.” But the establishment found a way to > save face, as always. > > ** ** > > Wait a minute … not the “last turn of the century” but the one before that > – where in 1896 Becquerel discovered that uranium emitted extremely > powerful rays. There was no name for this apparent violation of CoE … at > least not till Madame C. provided one along with the proof that certain > “Laws” needed to be reworded – and a whole new field opened up. > Surely you're not saying that radioactivity violates COE? Yes, Rossi or anyone could tap into a source of energy never known before such as radioactivity was before it was discovered. But let's show that it happened in a credible manner before worrying about *how* they may have done it.
RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
From: Terry Blanton "Apparently, energy localization at the nano-scale circumvents the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics." Blasphemy! Not really "blasphemy" - closer to "semantics-in-action". If Ahern is correct, and many on Vortex will appreciate that he builds on Dirac (Hotson's version) for the "ultimate" source of energy, then we could simply be caught in the process of redefining precisely "what is external" to any gainful system. Imagine yourself in Paris around the turn of the century. You would have been at a similar "loss for words." But the establishment found a way to save face, as always. Wait a minute . not the "last turn of the century" but the one before that - where in 1896 Becquerel discovered that uranium emitted extremely powerful rays. There was no name for this apparent violation of CoE . at least not till Madame C. provided one along with the proof that certain "Laws" needed to be reworded - and a whole new field opened up. Isn't that all that is going on here ? - we are seeing the first efforts to provide a new name (and formalism) to the extraction of energy from the Dirac sea (Hotson's BEC, or epo field). This process is apparently very specific to geometry below 12 nm. A branch of science is opening - but it is not "nuclear" primarily, although it may have nuclear effects. Unlike the earlier situation - where Henri demonstrated that the new kind of radiation did not depend on an "external source" of energy (but came spontaneously from within the metal) the source of energy in Nanomagnetism/Energy Localization is more problematic to verbalize; but can be described as external (at least insofar as a 4th spatial dimension is external). Unless, of course, extra dimensions are 'enfolded' . and then they can also be described as internal as well. Lord Kelvin had already decreed, 50 years prior to Henri/Marie, in an early version of what became the second law, that what Curie described was completely impossible. Yet then as now, experiment rules. Kelvin was just as wrong then as are the pseudo-skeptics of today, a few of whom seem to have taken over this forum's bandwidth recently. Don't get me wrong - skepticism is not a bad thing - and Rossi has not proved anything. He will never be in line for the big prize (and is more likely to end up back in the Carcere than in Stockholm) . but in the spirit of verisimilitude he probably has adequately demonstrated a high level of "anomalous thermal gain" as have dozens of others - and this field (which is not LENR precisely) is well on its way into forming an new semantic branch. In the end, CoE will stay alive (as a surrogate religion) . at least in the minds of adherents. "Tunnel vision" is a curious phenomenon that can be said to operate in a similar way as 'energy localization' but surprisingly to describe its own logical failures in the quest for verisimilitude. Jones > This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR, > in general ... > http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826 > Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists
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Nice piccy of an oscillon on this page: http://www.mech.northwestern.edu/web/people/faculty/umbanhowar/ T
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Examining the web's limited oscillon information, it would appear that it is important that the powder not be bound to the side of the reactor as conjectured by others. The powder must remain free and could be located in the center of the reactor as stated on the ecat.com web site. Also, if oscillon activity does explain the anomalous heat in the Rossi Reactor, it is easily understood why an external exciter is necessary, eg the "frequencies" described by AR. Now comes the speculation for the heat source. It definitely could be a ZPF heat generator considering that the standing collisions could be limiting the pair formation much like a Casimir cavity or could be allowing rapid pair separation similar to the "mirror" discussed previously. In such case, the energy source could really be positron annihilation, each one liberating 0.511 MeV. I think Ahern, et al have found the secret with this oscillon theory. If so, the new game begins. Here is a simple explanation of oscillons: http://www.raczynski.com/art/oscillon.htm T
Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR, > in general ... > > http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826 > > Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists > > They appear to be non-profit opportunists. The site is owned by http://e3blue.com/ . "Citi5 cautions all that while LENR may in fact represent one of the most important advances in human history, we must move forward logically with testing for unanticipated and unitended (sic) consequences." I guess someone should tell Rossi before he pumps out too many reactors. T
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*"Apparently, energy localization at the nano-scale circumvents the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics."* * * *Blasphemy!* * * *T * On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR, > in general ... > > http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826 > > Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists > > >
[Vo]:Nanomagnetism Theory
This theory, or a version of it, could be behind more than Rossi and LENR, in general ... http://citi5.org/launch/?p=1826 Note sure what the Citi5 group is ... other than opportunists <>
