Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:



> One of many conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace these day. Sing
> along y'all From Natchez to Mobile, from Minot to Manas ... My mama done
> tol' me...
>
> But to backtrack a bit - it is amazing that the Press has all but forgotten
> another conspiracy - that six nuclear cruise missiles left from Minot ND in
> 2007 and only five arrived at Barksdale AFB in La.
>
> Seems like that would have been an ongoing story over the intervening
> years... that a nuclear weapon was essentially "lost" in transit in the USA.



The mystery continues with two more biting the dust at the 90th
Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyoming.

I guess they are still looking for the missing weapons.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/04/air-force-fires-2-more-nuclear-missile-corps-commanders-disciplines-another/

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-

Video - well worth watching even if it is from Faux News... (no one else
would air it)

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/19/retired-air-force-general-stand-by-theory-
malaysian-airlines-flight-could-have-landed-in-pakistan/

Retired Air Force General Thomas McInerney isn't backing away from his prior
assertion (and the Coen-head thriller screenplay suggestion) that the
missing Malaysian Airlines flight has landed in Pakistan - and he says his
theory is based on more than mere conjecture.

In fact, he implies that Boeing knows that it landed in Pakistan... which...
it should be noted ... does not mean that it did not stop somewhere else
fist, even if it did land in Pakistan later.

Yet, the Aussies say there is passenger plane debris in the South Indian
Ocean. And yes that will be confirmed today.

Of course, all of this is in the screenplay already. The 777 first land in
Diego Garcia to refuel, repaint, remove the contraband cargo headed for
China, transfer the bodies and luggage to another airplane and continue on
to Pakistan.

Then the corpses and luggage were placed aboard a derelict military
reconnaissance plane, on a one-way mission to the South Indian Ocean.

The only problem will be that some of the second plane did not sink as
planned, so the Malaysian victims and luggage will turn up, along with
airplane parts from a different airplane.

Of course the explanation will then be hastily concocted that this airplane
was a spotter-plane which had been sent from Diego Garcia to help find the
passenger plane ... 

ACT III to follow...

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Daniel Rocha]

The pilot did not trust his tilt instrument during a storm(it happened
before) and it crashed into a mountain.


2014-03-20 4:44 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda :

> It is clear that goodfellow hypotheis assume they were killed in minutes,
> just after "navigate" phase...
>
> another hypotheisis to check is whether they could call.
> were they in connection with any control.
> it seems they just left malaysian control, and were not yet in thai
> control zone...
>
> I don't know if there is black hole for radio...
>
> if they were in blackhole, this mean they were dead/uncounscious before
> reachin a control radio zone.
>
> I just notice that others hypothesis have hard to swallow problems...
>
>
> 2014-03-19 20:56 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>>
>> You are assuming the pilots were alive.
>>>
>>
>> No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
>> alive but too busy to call for help.
>>
>>
>>
>>> If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
>>> heads.
>>>
>>
>> That is a different hypothesis.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Alain Sepeda]

It is clear that goodfellow hypotheis assume they were killed in minutes,
just after "navigate" phase...

another hypotheisis to check is whether they could call.
were they in connection with any control.
it seems they just left malaysian control, and were not yet in thai control
zone...

I don't know if there is black hole for radio...

if they were in blackhole, this mean they were dead/uncounscious before
reachin a control radio zone.

I just notice that others hypothesis have hard to swallow problems...


2014-03-19 20:56 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell :

> ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
> You are assuming the pilots were alive.
>>
>
> No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
> alive but too busy to call for help.
>
>
>
>> If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
>> heads.
>>
>
> That is a different hypothesis.
>
> - Jed
>
>

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Ed sez:

> Ockham is about to slit his throat.

To paraphrase a famous saying from the movie CE3K

"Occam was one of them" ;-)

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[MarkI-Zeropoint]

Dave wrote:
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this 
list.


Been there, done that... don't like their beer!
;-)
-Mark

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, David Roberson wrote:

 It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from 
this list.  The flight was full. :-)


Dave


-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms 
To: vortex-l 
Cc: Edmund Storms 
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories 
these days?


On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a 
temporal rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates 
displaced by hours from the rest of the planet.


Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will 
reappear a year from now when we return to the previous temporal 
location.


Ed Storms



From:   Jones Beene [ mailto:jone...@pacbell.net 
 ]

Sent:   Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
To:   vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject:   EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories 
these days? 


   
From:   Edmund Storms 


   
I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help 
of the pilots because they are actually hybrids. 


   
You could be right on this one Ed. 


   
At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to 
present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not 
everyone realizes that till later. 


   
Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see 
that the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it. 


   
BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they 
follow our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies 
and a lot of luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, 
about as far away from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise 
eyebrows even further… 


   
… or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica… 


   
   

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
With the information we have it's impossible to say.

It seems suspicious (if true) that the plane maneuvered after passing a 
logical emergency landing site. The only reason the iff (transponder) 
wouldn't be switched to emergency squawk is a very bad electrical fire 
where the procedure is to pull all the circuit breakers which would turn 
systems off while the fire was isolated. But it is unlikely the plane 
would fly on for 7 hours with a fire of that magnitude


With a rapid decompression (Chem E's scenario) There is a loud 'POP' the 
cabin fills with cloud (no huge wind with bodies flying out the window 
etc. as in the movies) & you have a few minutes to get down to breathing 
altitude after going on 100% Oxygen, supplied at a positive pressure. The 
pilots can't sustain high altitude flight unpressurized with out a 
pressure suit (you get the bends). It would seem to be tricky to kill all 
the passengers by hypoxia (they have oxygen too) without impairing the 
pilots also.


We really don't know what the radio or radar coverage is in the overwater 
areas. When I was flying there, in the Vietnam era, it was nil, except for 
HF radio position reporting radar was only good for a couple hundred miles 
out depending upon altitude.


Diego Garcia is definitely in the area but seems to me like there would 
less conspicuous ways to get an aircraft to repaint etc.


I enjoy reading the rampant uninformed speculation though.
Ron



--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:42 PM -0700 Jones Beene 
 wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus

... Speaking as a former B52 pilot.

Hey Ron,

What is your take on this disappearing plane incident?

As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth
about the missing Minot nuke was being told...

Jones

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus 

... Speaking as a former B52 pilot.

Hey Ron,

What is your take on this disappearing plane incident?

As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth about 
the missing Minot nuke was being told...

Jones

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Ron Wormus]

You have no idea what you are talking abut. Speaking as a fromer B52 pilot.
Ron

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:02 PM -0400 ChemE Stewart 
 wrote:



Things happen fast at 500 MPH.  They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell  wrote:




ChemE Stewart  wrote:



Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @
35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows




Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better
than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in
the event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in
microphones. The airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off
and it deviated from course. They had plenty of time to contact flight
control. 


When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land
in the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few
minutes to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control.


I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in
aviation, but this seems very far fetched.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> OK - I was thinking of the theme song, which cuts in here - you know the one
>
> Crimea River ...

  Okay, since it was most recently in a Brit flick "V for
Vendetta" we need a Brit to sing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxy8bLzsCfM

> ... hey, they don't call us Coen-heads for nuttin'

Fer sure.

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:

You are assuming the pilots were alive.
>

No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
alive but too busy to call for help.



> If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
> heads.
>

That is a different hypothesis.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Ok, I was assuming they were too busy and then "time ran out"


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
> You are assuming the pilots were alive.
>>
>
> No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
> alive but too busy to call for help.
>
>
>
>> If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
>> heads.
>>
>
> That is a different hypothesis.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237
> dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo
> bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent
> overhaul.

So, in order to complete the screenplay, brother Coen, we need to tie
in the action in the Crimea.

(Did you have to mention Pia?
http://www.starmedia.us/entertainment/actress-pia-zadora-ordered-to-do-anger-counseling-treatment-or-go-to-jail.html
I haven't thought of Ms. Zadora in ages.  She could play a flight attendant?)

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 

> IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about
237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the
Cargo bay and continue on, as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a
recent overhaul.

> So, in order to complete the screenplay, brother Coen, we need to tie in
the action in the Crimea.


OK - I was thinking of the theme song, which cuts in here - you know the one

Crimea River ... 

... hey, they don't call us Coen-heads for nuttin'

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

You are assuming the pilots were alive.

If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
heads.

If it was a government they have just kidnapped/killed  220+ civilians,
which makes no sense to me.

What makes sense is that the pilot diverted to the closest large runway and
was "not able" to complete the task, for whatever reason.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>
>
>> some say that they first tried to same the plane
>> "aviate-navigate-communicate", but some remind in case of fire the
>> directive is communicate first then work on the fire.
>>
>
> They had many hours to deal with the emergency, assuming it started with
> the flight deviation. Surely, during all that time, they had a moment to
> contact flight control and issue an emergency. They could trigger the
> SARSAT emergency beacon in a second by pressing a button.
>
> The notion that they were fighting a fire for hours, and they never got a
> chance to communicate, makes no sense at all.
>
>
> did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ?
>> but were they connected by radio anyway ?
>>
>
> They always have radio contact. Large airplanes have SARSAT connections to
> satellite telephones.
>
>
> not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm.
>>
>
> Over several hours any pilot will be calm enough to press the emergency
> beacon button or call in an emergency. If the event had lasted only a few
> minutes I could understand they might be overwhelmed, but there is no doubt
> it lasted for hours.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

Alain Sepeda  wrote:


> some say that they first tried to same the plane
> "aviate-navigate-communicate", but some remind in case of fire the
> directive is communicate first then work on the fire.
>

They had many hours to deal with the emergency, assuming it started with
the flight deviation. Surely, during all that time, they had a moment to
contact flight control and issue an emergency. They could trigger the
SARSAT emergency beacon in a second by pressing a button.

The notion that they were fighting a fire for hours, and they never got a
chance to communicate, makes no sense at all.


did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ?
> but were they connected by radio anyway ?
>

They always have radio contact. Large airplanes have SARSAT connections to
satellite telephones.


not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm.
>

Over several hours any pilot will be calm enough to press the emergency
beacon button or call in an emergency. If the event had lasted only a few
minutes I could understand they might be overwhelmed, but there is no doubt
it lasted for hours.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Alain Sepeda]

that is a serious point.

some say that they first tried to same the plane
"aviate-navigate-communicate", but some remind in case of fire the
directive is communicate first then work on the fire. som answer to that
saying the pilot was young (<2000h flight)

did they have radio contact ? it seems they were out of any control area ?
but were they connected by radio anyway ?


anyway one symptom, as trecker, as skydiver, as climber, as cyclist, as
accidented guy, is that when facing huge incident, you lost half your
brain... normally if you are well trained you apply procedures, but else
you mostly apply known procedures that don't apply on your problem, and you
forget simple solutions...
being two does not surely helps much...

not everybody can land a plane of Hudson River and stay calm.

the "simple hypothesis" is not perfect, but others are not better for sure.

It remind me something about cold fusion theory.



2014-03-19 18:41 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell :

> ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
> I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.
>>
>
>  I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or
> copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in
> the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that
> if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be
> dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:

Things happen fast at 500 MPH.  They had just reached cruising altitude
> maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...




The airplane continued to fly for many hours after the event that caused
the IFF to go off and the airplane to deviate from the assigned flight
path. I assume that "event" was a pilot action, but whatever it was, hours
elapsed after that and the plane flew for thousands of miles.

Therefore it could not be a case of the pilots being incapacitated or dead.
They could not have changed course the way they did if they were
incapacitated. After it deviated the first time, it flew a complicated
course including zig-zagging. Again, no autopilot would do that.

It is extremely unlikely that the radio, IFF and the emergency radio beacon
in the tail (SARSAT) were destroyed by a fire, yet the aircraft could still
be controlled and flown for hours. Any fire bad enough to destroy all
communications would also crash the plane. Airplanes have multiple
redundant communication systems and other vital systems.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Things happen fast at 500 MPH.  They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> ChemE Stewart 
> 
> > wrote:
>
> Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000
>> ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows
>>
>
> Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better
> than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in the
> event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in microphones. The
> airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off and it deviated from
> course. They had plenty of time to contact flight control.
>
> When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land in
> the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few minutes
> to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control.
>
> I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in
> aviation, but this seems very far fetched.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:

Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000
> ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows
>

Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better
than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in the
event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in microphones. The
airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off and it deviated from
course. They had plenty of time to contact flight control.

When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land in
the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few minutes
to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control.

I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in
aviation, but this seems very far fetched.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

ChemE Stewart  wrote:

I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.
>

I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or
copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in
the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that
if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be
dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000
ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows

[image: Aloha.gif]





On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
> I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.
>>
>
> I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or
> copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in
> the event of a fire. That only takes a moment. They would have known that
> if they had to land in the ocean, dozens of rescue teams would be
> dispatched, and that would be their only hope of survival.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[David Roberson]

It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this list.  
The flight was full. :-)

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms 
To: vortex-l 
Cc: Edmund Storms 
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these 
days?




On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:



They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal 
rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from 
the rest of the planet.




Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a 
year from now when we return to the previous temporal location.


Ed Storms



 
 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

 
From: Edmund Storms
 
I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
pilots because they are actually hybrids.
 
You could be right on this one Ed.
 
At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present 
these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not everyone realizes 
that till later.
 
Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the 
conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.
 
BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our 
original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage 
from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego 
Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further…
 
… or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
 
 

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Edmund Storms]

Ockham is about to slit his throat.

Ed Storms
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:21 AM, James Bowery wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
> Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation has
> surfaced.
> 
> A water spout sucked it into a Keplerian orbital WIMP sinkhole.
> 
> Haven't you guys ever heard of Ockham's Razor? 

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Edmund Storms]

On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

> They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal 
> rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours 
> from the rest of the planet.

Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a 
year from now when we return to the previous temporal location.

Ed Storms
>  
>  
> From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
>  
> From: Edmund Storms
>  
> I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
> fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
> airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
> pilots because they are actually hybrids.
>  
> You could be right on this one Ed.
>  
> At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to 
> present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not 
> everyone realizes that till later.
>  
> Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the 
> conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.
>  
> BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow 
> our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of 
> luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away 
> from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further…
>  
> … or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
>  
>  

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_)


From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:06 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these 
days?


On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:


They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal 
rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from 
the rest of the planet.

Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a 
year from now when we return to the previous temporal location.

Ed Storms



From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

From: Edmund Storms

I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
pilots because they are actually hybrids.

You could be right on this one Ed.

At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present 
these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor... though not everyone 
realizes that till later.

Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading... it is fun to see that the 
conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.

BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our 
original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage 
from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego 
Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further...

... or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica...

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[James Bowery]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
> Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation
> has
> surfaced.


A water spout sucked it into a Keplerian orbital WIMP sinkhole.

Haven't you guys ever heard of Ockham's Razor?

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Edmund Storms]

On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

> Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_)

Yes, your comment applies to the physical location, not to the temporal 
location. As we know, time and space are not located in the same place. ;-)

Ed Storms
>  
>  
> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:06 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these 
> days?
>  
>  
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
> 
> 
> They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal 
> rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours 
> from the rest of the planet.
>  
> Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the plane will reappear a 
> year from now when we return to the previous temporal location.
>  
> Ed Storms
> 
>  
>  
> From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
>  
> From: Edmund Storms
>  
> I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
> fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
> airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
> pilots because they are actually hybrids.
>  
> You could be right on this one Ed.
>  
> At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to 
> present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor… though not 
> everyone realizes that till later.
>  
> Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading… it is fun to see that the 
> conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.
>  
> BTW – the next episode – possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow 
> our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of 
> luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away 
> from Diego Garcia as possible – so as not to raise eyebrows even further…
>  
> … or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica…
>  
>  
>  

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore
given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire started
in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious and
eventually dead.  I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story conveniently
forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily available, and I would
bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put the masks on if any
problem occurs, especially smoke. so much for erudite expertise.

-mark

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

 

From: Jed Rothwell 

 

This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong:

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris
_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a
flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the
simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia
Island in the Indian Ocean. 

 

Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
areas in Afghanistan:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors
-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/

 

It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably
the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of
killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to
oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US
complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out.

 

Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives,
which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This  has of course been
disputed by Officials of the Maldives.

 

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-mal
dives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/

 

Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would
mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a
passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely.

 

Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the
Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the
Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by
starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel.

 

One way to do that would be to load a "missing nuke" aboard a repainted 777,
now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and
blame Israel at the same time.

 

Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.

 

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Roarty, Francis X]

They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal 
rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from 
the rest of the planet.


From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

From: Edmund Storms

I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
pilots because they are actually hybrids.

You could be right on this one Ed.

At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to present 
these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor... though not everyone 
realizes that till later.

Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading... it is fun to see that the 
conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.

BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow our 
original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of luggage 
from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away from Diego 
Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further...

... or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica...

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

From: Edmund Storms 

 

I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of
the pilots because they are actually hybrids. 

 

You could be right on this one Ed. 

 

At least you may have now just realized that Terry and I always try to
present these kind of tall tales as tongue-in-cheek humor. though not
everyone realizes that till later.

 

Sometimes the only giveaway is the subject heading. it is fun to see that
the conspiracy theorists have already picked up on it.

 

BTW - the next episode - possibly happening this afternoon, if they follow
our original script - will be the one where most of the bodies and a lot of
luggage from Flight 370 will turn up in the Indian Ocean, about as far away
from Diego Garcia as possible - so as not to raise eyebrows even further. 

 

. or else ET will place all the evidence on an iceberg near Antarctica. 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Edmund Storms]

I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and 
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation.  The 
airplane was captured by a ET mothership.  This was done with the help of the 
pilots because they are actually hybrids. The goal is to show the population of 
the world the ability of the ET and to educate the passengers about the need to 
change world policy.  Once the passengers have been give a guided tour of the 
mother ship with several good meals thrown in, they will be returned to tell 
their story.  Too bad Bond would have no one to shoot. Perhaps this is why this 
explanation will not be used as a movie plot and is not getting attention. This 
can not be any more far fetched than the present explanations and it has a 
happy ending, at least for the passengers. For the world leaders, not so much.

Ed Storms
On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

> One more story of interest – relates to hidden motives
>  
> http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/
> [snip] The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot’s home 
> found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the 
> simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia 
> Island in the Indian Ocean.
> Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else…
>  
>  

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 


> Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)...

Actually, there aren't:

http://goo.gl/LsLjBL

Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though.

As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-cou
ld-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/


OK - The plot thickens but not all the details. 

Could not Air Force Gen. Thomas McInerney be a shill and actually be a part
of the scheme (or a patsy)? 

IOW when he speculates that the missing airliner had been flown to Pakistan,
to be used as a delivery vehicle for nuclear explosives by terrorists...
isn't that exactly what what schemers would want the world to believe? And
it could be true as of today... to wit:

Consider those hangars - yes they would leave the tail section of the 777
open to view, but there is a fix for that. Any by now, the plane has been
repainted refueled - and could actually be in Pakistan, just as the good
General sez. 

IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237
dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo
bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a recent
overhaul.

I'm still waiting for the call from Hollywood with the screenplay advance
... 

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Wow

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jones Beene  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton
>
>
> > Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
> hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)...
>
> Actually, there aren't:
>
> http://goo.gl/LsLjBL
>
> Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though.
>
> As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan:
>
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-cou
> ld-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/
>
>
> OK - The plot thickens but not all the details.
>
> Could not Air Force Gen. Thomas McInerney be a shill and actually be a part
> of the scheme (or a patsy)?
>
> IOW when he speculates that the missing airliner had been flown to
> Pakistan,
> to be used as a delivery vehicle for nuclear explosives by terrorists...
> isn't that exactly what what schemers would want the world to believe? And
> it could be true as of today... to wit:
>
> Consider those hangars - yes they would leave the tail section of the 777
> open to view, but there is a fix for that. Any by now, the plane has been
> repainted refueled - and could actually be in Pakistan, just as the good
> General sez.
>
> IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about
> 237
> dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo
> bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a
> recent
> overhaul.
>
> I'm still waiting for the call from Hollywood with the screenplay advance
> ... 
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

The USAF stooddown on Sept. 14, 2007 possibly to find the missing
nuke.  Here is a discussion:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:58 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:
> Jones,
> Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing?
> See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
> hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
> areas in Afghanistan:

Actually, there aren't:

http://goo.gl/LsLjBL

Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though.

As this Fox report says, it's in Pakistan:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-gen-doubles-down-on-claim-malaysian-plane-could-be-in-pakistan-to-be-used-for-terror/

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

One more story of interest - relates to hidden motives

 

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture
-by-us-navy/

[snip] The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home
found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the
simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia
Island in the Indian Ocean.

Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.

 

 

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Guys,

I have a theory.  Consider this a tier two theory that combines two other
theories...

http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/19/ok-i-do-have-a-theory-of-what-happened/



On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well (for humans)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
> wrote:
>
>> In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore
>> given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire
>> started in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious
>> and eventually dead.  I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story
>> conveniently forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily
>> available, and I would bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put
>> the masks on if any problem occurs, especially smoke... so much for erudite
>> expertise.
>>
>> -mark
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell
>>
>>
>>
>> This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html
>>
>> The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found
>> a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the
>> simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego
>> Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
>> hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
>> areas in Afghanistan:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/
>>
>>
>>
>> It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably
>> the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of
>> killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to
>> oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US
>> complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives,
>> which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This  has of course been
>> disputed by Officials of the Maldives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would
>> mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a
>> passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in
>> the Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in
>> the Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy
>> by starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel.
>>
>>
>>
>> One way to do that would be to load a "missing nuke" aboard a repainted
>> 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program,
>> and blame Israel at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else...
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well (for humans)


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:

> In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore
> given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire
> started in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious
> and eventually dead.  I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story
> conveniently forgot that the flight crew have oxygen masks readily
> available, and I would bet that it is standard procedure to immediately put
> the masks on if any problem occurs, especially smoke... so much for erudite
> expertise.
>
> -mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:39 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell
>
>
>
> This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html
>
> The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found
> a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the
> simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego
> Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean.
>
>
>
> Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
> hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
> areas in Afghanistan:
>
>
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/
>
>
>
> It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably
> the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of
> killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to
> oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US
> complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out.
>
>
>
> Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives,
> which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This  has of course been
> disputed by Officials of the Maldives.
>
>
>
>
> http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/
>
>
>
> Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would
> mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a
> passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely.
>
>
>
> Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the
> Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the
> Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by
> starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel.
>
>
>
> One way to do that would be to load a "missing nuke" aboard a repainted
> 777, now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program,
> and blame Israel at the same time.
>
>
>
> Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else...
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Alain Sepeda]

I've heard few critics by pilots ...
one is that the airport is not the nearest... anyway it is the easiest.
second is that getting at high altitude making yoyo is amateur... and
trying to extinguish fire that way is movie plot.
third is that in fire, procedure is to communicate first...
fourth is the fact that Malay control received a normal good-night after
turn... have to check... there are maybe some imprecisions...

some explain that numerous errors as caused by pilot limited experience.
you have to compare with others theories...

this is not a perfect explanation, nor the only one, but it is among the
less crazy, and it match the psychology of actors.


2014-03-19 15:17 GMT+01:00 ChemE Stewart :

> I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.  Those guys
> were always out playing frisbee on the lawn at college.
>
>
> Jeff Wise is a New York-based magazine writer and author of *Extreme
> Fear: The Science of Your Mind in 
> Danger*.
> A contributing editor at *Popular Mechanics* and *Travel + Leisure*, he
> specializes in aviation, adventure, and psychology
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
>> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
>>> passengers, the trajectory, the end
>>> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
>>>
>>
>> This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong:
>>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

From: Jed Rothwell 

 

This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong:

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris
_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a
flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from the
simulator indicated that the pilot had been training to land on Diego Garcia
Island in the Indian Ocean. 

 

Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
areas in Afghanistan:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/island-of-diego-garcia-factors
-into-mysterious-malaysia-flight-theories/

 

It get weirder and weirder since this implies that the Pilot and probably
the copilot as well - took the plane to 45,000 feet with the intention of
killing all of the passengers and flight crew that did not have access to
oxygen in the cockpit, and then headed to Diego Garcia. It also implies US
complicity - to land on a US base and avoid the News getting out.

 

Plus the Flight 370 was seen by local fishermen flying over the Maldives,
which is on the flight path to Diego Garcia. This  has of course been
disputed by Officials of the Maldives.

 

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-mal
dives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/

 

Thus, if a rogue element in the CIA was behind this act somehow, it would
mean that something very valuable was aboard that airplane and not a
passenger, since they would have all perished, most likely.

 

Or else, someone in the US military is out to trigger war, possibly in the
Middle East. The only apparent rationale for that is that someone in the
Pentagon or NSA thinks that the USA can avoid an even greater tragedy by
starting a local War now, possibly between Iran and Israel.

 

One way to do that would be to load a "missing nuke" aboard a repainted 777,
now El Al 666, with which to eliminate Iran's nuclear weapon program, and
blame Israel at the same time.

 

Makes a good plot for the next Bond movie if nothing else.

 

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[ChemE Stewart]

I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.  Those guys
were always out playing frisbee on the lawn at college.


Jeff Wise is a New York-based magazine writer and author of *Extreme Fear:
The Science of Your Mind in
Danger*.
A contributing editor at *Popular Mechanics* and *Travel + Leisure*, he
specializes in aviation, adventure, and psychology



On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>
>
>> one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
>> passengers, the trajectory, the end
>> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
>>
>
> This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong:
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jed Rothwell]

Alain Sepeda  wrote:


> one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
> passengers, the trajectory, the end
> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
>

This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Alain Sepeda]

as people know here, I have a tendency to follow conservative point of
view...

one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
passengers, the trajectory, the end
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

usually I prefer situation where stupidity, ego and incompetence explains
the facts... It works very well for usual politics, science, accidents...
Here I have to surrender to assume professionalism and courage.

if confirmed I'm so sorry for the victims.
It would be so nice if they were simply hostage on a lost island.


2014-03-18 3:09 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene :

> Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
> Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation
> has
> surfaced.
>
> Over a week after the Boeing 777 vanished without a trace, The Independent
> reports that Malaysian authorities are seeking diplomatic permission to
> investigate a theory that the plane was flown to a Taliban stronghold ...
> apparently they heard that it avoided military radar by "shadowing" another
> commercial flight.
>
> http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-37
> 0-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
>
> One of many conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace these days. Sing
> along y'all From Natchez to Mobile, from Minot to Manas ... My mama
> done
> tol' me...
>
> But to backtrack a bit - it is amazing that the Press has all but forgotten
> another conspiracy - that six nuclear cruise missiles left from Minot ND in
> 2007 and only five arrived at Barksdale AFB in La.
>
> Seems like that would have been an ongoing story over the intervening
> years... that a nuclear weapon was essentially "lost" in transit in the
> USA.
> Some conspiracy nuts have said all along that the missing nuke was sold by
> disgruntled Minot airmen to the highest bidder- in a home grown conspiracy
> (this time not involving spooks). There were many mysterious deaths of
> soldiers who could have been part of a putative plot stretching from N
> Dakota to who knows, maybe Kyrgyzstan.
> http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/112107Lindorff.shtml
>
> The disappearance of the Malaysian 777 has now linked up with this incident
> to cause the same nutters to wonder if there is a master illuminati plan,
> and if the same group that purchased the Minot nuke latter arranged this
> mysterious disappearance. Since a cruise missile, as a terrorist weapon,
> could not really be used without cooperation at an impossibly high level in
> the Air Force, it requires another kind of vehicle to transport it into
> infamy, and even further than that, say ...to Tel Aviv. Get it?
>
> For instance, any nuke could be loaded onto a freshly painted 777 which
> looked to all the World like a real El Al passenger jet. Has an airline jet
> ever been shot down? Truth is stranger than fiction and in Hebrew (vav vav
> vav) is 666 but looks a lot like 777. Far-fetched, indeed ... but no more
> so
> than the events leading up to 9/11. BTW, one other bit of Taliban gloating
> was when the Kyrgyz parliament voted in favor of ending the lease agreement
> with the US for use of Manas air base. Maybe they found a higher paying
> customer ?
>
> When will this tragedy be planned to take place, you might ask? A wild
> guess
> is Land Day (Mar 30)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Day
>
> But it's damn hard to hide a 777 from the prying eye of satellites for
> several weeks... even at Manas air base. Matter of fact ... isn't this it?
> http://tinyurl.com/pz35uwb
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

April surprise?

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin98.htm

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> The missing cruise missile had a W80 warhead with a dialable yield of
> 5 to 150 kt.  You can do a lot of damage to NYC with that yield.  But
> detonate it at 40,000 ft over the NE corridor and you fry every
> semiconductor from DC to NYC.  Suddenly only China and Russia are
> Superpowers.
>
> You would need a modern aircraft with 7,000 mi range that you could
> insert into the stream of flights between Europe and the US.

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

The missing cruise missile had a W80 warhead with a dialable yield of
5 to 150 kt.  You can do a lot of damage to NYC with that yield.  But
detonate it at 40,000 ft over the NE corridor and you fry every
semiconductor from DC to NYC.  Suddenly only China and Russia are
Superpowers.

You would need a modern aircraft with 7,000 mi range that you could
insert into the stream of flights between Europe and the US.

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

The conspiracy then:

http://projectcamelot.org/jack_carter.html

2014-03-18 13:54 GMT-04:00 Terry Blanton :
> Background on the Minot incident:
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7158

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Terry Blanton]

Background on the Minot incident:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7158

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

From: a.ashfield 

Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing? See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_in
cident

First, this is not exactly mine - or anyone else's "idea" since in fact, it
was initially reported that way in 2007, and this is what the "conspiracy
theory" folks still believe to be fact, based on News Reports at the time. 

These groups are often factually wrong, but they still believe that a that
Pentagon coverup ensued-  to placate public opinion. Of course, we know that
politicians never cover up the truth, especially in election years.

The Navy Times, reported from Barksdale on the day of the incident, "A B-52H
bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air
Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in
an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not
to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident." 

Notice, on the day of the flight, Barksdale thought there were only 5 nukes
on the B-52. 

Notice also that they are easy to count on the wing of this airplane since
each of the two pods hold three each, and a missing ACM stands out like a...
err... broken arrow. The conjecture is that 6 left Minot, and 5 were seen
when the plane landed at Barksdale. 

Related to the incident is a 24 hour nation-wide Air Force stand-down and
safety inspection that took place on September 14th. If speculation about
the missing weapon is correct, this stand down matches standard "broken
arrow" procedures where all operations would cease while all available
personnel is tasked with searching for the weapon.

Then the Press suddenly dropped the story and went on to something "really
important"


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Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[a.ashfield]

Jones,
Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing?
See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident

[Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Jones Beene]

Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation has
surfaced. 

Over a week after the Boeing 777 vanished without a trace, The Independent
reports that Malaysian authorities are seeking diplomatic permission to
investigate a theory that the plane was flown to a Taliban stronghold ...
apparently they heard that it avoided military radar by "shadowing" another
commercial flight. 
http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-37
0-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

One of many conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace these days. Sing
along y'all From Natchez to Mobile, from Minot to Manas ... My mama done
tol' me...

But to backtrack a bit - it is amazing that the Press has all but forgotten
another conspiracy - that six nuclear cruise missiles left from Minot ND in
2007 and only five arrived at Barksdale AFB in La. 

Seems like that would have been an ongoing story over the intervening
years... that a nuclear weapon was essentially "lost" in transit in the USA.
Some conspiracy nuts have said all along that the missing nuke was sold by
disgruntled Minot airmen to the highest bidder- in a home grown conspiracy
(this time not involving spooks). There were many mysterious deaths of
soldiers who could have been part of a putative plot stretching from N
Dakota to who knows, maybe Kyrgyzstan. 
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/112107Lindorff.shtml

The disappearance of the Malaysian 777 has now linked up with this incident
to cause the same nutters to wonder if there is a master illuminati plan,
and if the same group that purchased the Minot nuke latter arranged this
mysterious disappearance. Since a cruise missile, as a terrorist weapon,
could not really be used without cooperation at an impossibly high level in
the Air Force, it requires another kind of vehicle to transport it into
infamy, and even further than that, say ...to Tel Aviv. Get it?

For instance, any nuke could be loaded onto a freshly painted 777 which
looked to all the World like a real El Al passenger jet. Has an airline jet
ever been shot down? Truth is stranger than fiction and in Hebrew (vav vav
vav) is 666 but looks a lot like 777. Far-fetched, indeed ... but no more so
than the events leading up to 9/11. BTW, one other bit of Taliban gloating
was when the Kyrgyz parliament voted in favor of ending the lease agreement
with the US for use of Manas air base. Maybe they found a higher paying
customer ? 

When will this tragedy be planned to take place, you might ask? A wild guess
is Land Day (Mar 30)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Day

But it's damn hard to hide a 777 from the prying eye of satellites for
several weeks... even at Manas air base. Matter of fact ... isn't this it?
http://tinyurl.com/pz35uwb


<>