Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:07:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] I suppose the press will hear of this, and will be asking questions. One can only hope! :) - Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
a word is missing: technological I will comment at Daniele's blog. Otherwise he cannot claim the paternity of Cold Fusion, or of Ni-H LENR. Peter On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-04-15 03:01, Jed Rothwell wrote: I assume this part is accurately translated: So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . .[...] Yes, it is. Several people on discussion boards I read on the matter have criticized that excerpt from the original audio interview for the same reasons (and also, because in my opinion it reinforces skeptics' argument that FP' experiments were a scam. Many still think that). Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
I guess Focardi must have meant there has been no significant technological progress. After all, he did mention Fleischmann's explosion. (He has it going the wrong direction.) - Jed
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I am surprised no one else has picked up on this. This part of the Focardi interview is likely to put the President of Greece and the Min. of Energy in the hot seat: it was easy to convince the Greek President, the minister... Consequently Greece has signed a contract with Rossi and can build these devices. I suppose the press will hear of this, and will be asking questions. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
What I wanted to say with the missing word technological? The truth is that Pd-D LENR has contributed to science but has not succeeded to become an energy source. If it ever will, that's an open question but in the spirit of fairness you cannot tell that Pd- D is nothing. The second non-ethical aspect in Focardi's discourse was that he well knows that Piantelii is the leading scientist in the field of Ni-H but he just mentioned en passant about Habel *and *Piantelli, as somebody of no importance. Peter On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:32 PM, SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-04-15 16:04, Jed Rothwell wrote: But Peter Gluck wrote: . . . one word is missing: 'technological.' What do you mean by missing word? Did Focardi say this and it is missing from the translation? Or did he fail to say this and he should have? He didn't say that in the interview and in retrospect he should have. I don't believe he really thinks there haven't been positive results from Pd-D LENR research, he was more referring to their scale. In that sense he is somewhat right that the difference between those and his/Rossi's is so large that in practical terms other researchers haven't got anything so far. You see that he is outspoken and he says all kinds of things, including stuff better left unsaid. Maybe he was just exaggerating, or mouthing off. It is hard to believe he does not know there have been positive results from palladium. It was a very informal interview on a local radio station (located in Bologna) with people that he already knew and already invited him a few times in the past months. Focardi probably didn't expect that an international audience would dissect it word by word, so he spoke without filters as he, reportedly, usually does. Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion\ [English translation]
Mössbauer spectroscopy is a spectroscopichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopytechnique based on the recoil-free, resonant absorption and emission of gamma rays http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray in solidshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid. This resonant emission and absorption was first observed by Rudolf Mössbauerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_M%C3%B6ssbauerduring his graduate studies in 1957, and is called the Mössbauer effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6ssbauer_effect in his honor. Mössbauer received a Nobel Prize in 1961 for this work. Like NMR spectroscopy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMR_spectroscopy, Mössbauer spectroscopy probes tiny changes in the energy levels of an atomic nucleus in response to its environment. Typically, three types of nuclear interaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_interaction may be observed: an isomer shift http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomer_shift, also known as a chemical shift http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_shift; quadrupole splitting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole_splitting; and, magnetic or hyperfine splitting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfine_splitting, also known as the Zeeman effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeman_effect. Due to the high energy and extremely narrow linehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_linewidths of gamma rays, Mössbauer spectroscopy is one of the most sensitive techniques in terms of energy (and hence frequency) resolution, capable of detecting change in just a few parts per 10e11. Depending on the local environment of the Fe atoms and the magnetic properties, Mössbauer spectra of iron oxides can consist of a singlet, a doublet, or a sextet. If the iron is superparamagnetic a telltale hyperfine sextet structure will be detected. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM, francis froarty...@comcast.net wrote: Jed wrote [snip] Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth. I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip] Focardi says “and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so they would have understood what it was, what was in it.” He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays…. That it participates in the nuclear reaction? Fran
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
I assume this part is accurately translated: So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . . I have heard he feels that way. Maybe he means they have made little progress toward technology, which is true, but I get the impression he has the same attitude as Arata or Steve Jones: I'm right; everyone else is wrong. He and Rossi have done great work and made immortal contributions to science and human progress. Why should he be such a petty jerk? Why lie about other people's research? Rossi is very gracious toward others, Fleischmann especially. - Jed
[Vo]:RE: [Vo]: Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
Isn't it ironic in a way, since you have said before that Arata shares a similar level of vanity ? Arata probably considers himself the father of nanoparticle LENR . without which, Ni-H might not be possible. . so who's you daddy ? From: Jed Rothwell So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . . I have heard he feels that way. Maybe he means they have made little progress toward technology, which is true, but I get the impression he has the same attitude as Arata or Steve Jones: I'm right; everyone else is wrong.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
There is a lot of meat in this report. Read it carefully. A lot of food for thought. And for gossip! Focardi clearly says that the Cu isotopes are NOT natural. This contradicts Essen, as noted here. Mass spectroscopy can be tricky, that's all I know. I have seen many similar disagreements about isotopes. (By the way, many people have suggested that enhancing one isotope or another in the catalyst might boost the reaction. That idea has been around for years.) Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth. I'll bet this ruffles some feathers! I enjoy the big mouth but I wish his ego was smaller, and his attitude more gracious. Sigh . . . Rossi was smart not to tell him what the two magic elements are. He would have blabbed 'em. He says, I don't want to know. I'll bet there's a lot of other stuff in this article Rossi wishes Focardi did not know. I advise readers to save a copy in case they decide to delete it. As in so many other reports from these people, there are claims that seem outlandish to me, being far wrong on the scale of nuclear versus chemical reactions. They remind of someone who told me he could see bubbles of helium rising from a cathode. He did not realize that the energy produced by one visible bubble would be enough to blow him and most of the neighborhood to smithereens. Focardi says: . . . the latest application has nickel inside it, then the hydrogen is supplied by electrolysis, so that … because you cannot keep a hydrogen tank at home, of course, it’s dangerous. Instead we generated it from water by electrolysis. So, the device kept on working [in heat after death], and I thought to myself: I guess I’m going to have to use a hammer to stop it. Until one day Rossi told me “I stopped it!”. And how did you do that?. He said: I cut the power to the electrolysis, obviously. Right! All you have to do is run the electrolysis from a separate power source. You cut the power off there, and once the hydrogen is used up, the device stops by itself. Oh, yeah? How long does that take? I would believe it if they said they opened the valve and degassed it, or inserted nitrogen. But cutting off the hydrogen supply and leaving pressure intact would leave enough hydrogen to run for a couple of years, I suppose. Maybe I'm missing something? How long would it take if Mills is correct? Does this rapid falling off in the reaction indicate that the hydrogen is consumed much faster than in a conventional nuclear reaction? And they never thought to degas it before that? Hmm m m . . . If they had called me on the phone, that's the first thing I would have suggested. Followed by a thermal shock. (BTW, I don't know why the response I just posted came out a new thread.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]: Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Isn’t it ironic in a way, since you have said before that Arata shares a similar level of vanity ? Yup. I would hate to bring those two together. Arata probably considers himself the father of nanoparticle LENR … without which, Ni-H might not be possible. I think everyone would acknowledge he is the father of nanoparticle LENR. That's what I don't get about these people. Everyone in cold fusion acknowledges that Arata has made vital contributions. They have told him that, giving him awards and special sessions. Same in other fields. Both Emperors gave him medals. The Welding Institute established an award in his name: http://www.iiw-iis.org/TheIIW/Recognition/Pages/Arata.aspx I am sure he deserves every honor! That's not my point. You would think that person whose ego has been stroked by so many people would feel a sense of magnanimity . . . or noblesse oblige, or a sense that he has made it to top and there no need to step on anyone else or denigrate them to make himself look better. Yet the praise heaped upon him seems to make him less secure, and more anxious for more homage. He is like one of these rock stars, like Michael Jackson, that wretched man. Arthur C. Clarke had a tremendous ego. He and his friends joked about it. He used to send out circulars titled EGOgram. He was anxious to amass recognition and awards, and he loved to drop names. He, too, deserved every award that came his way. But he was the polar opposite of Arata in personality. He was the nicest, friendliest person you would ever want to meet. (We never did meet, but I spoke with him on the phone.) He would never put on airs or boast. He loved animals and children. He grew up on a farm and was good with horses. His biographer McAleer described his egomania, and he did not mind a bit. It was an authorized biography. He told me he learned a lot from it. I reminded him that it described his habit in youth of keeping a record of orgasms in his diary, and proudly pointing out to all and sundry that he exceeded the Kinsey report averages. He was taken aback. He had completely forgotten that and thought it was hysterical. Evidently the book was not too carefully authorized since he had overlooked that. But he was a the last person in the world who would worry about appearing . . . undignified, I guess you would call it. He and Chris Tinsley were the funniest people I have ever known. Cold fusion has attracted a cast of characters, that's for sure. Rossi tops them all. The news and the buzz he generates, the mind-boggling claims he makes, and the aura of the unexpected he emanates is stronger than the field strength generated by #2 through #10 strange-aura researchers tied together. THAT is quite an accomplishment in this business. He is also a sweet fellow. Kind of aggravating at times, but who isn't? I do not think he intends for every word in his blog to be taken seriously. He has a devious sense of humor. - Jed
[Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion\ [English translation]
Jed wrote [snip] Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth. I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip] Focardi says and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so they would have understood what it was, what was in it. He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays.. That it participates in the nuclear reaction? Fran
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:50:39 -0400: Hi, [snip] How long would it take if Mills is correct? Does this rapid falling off in the reaction indicate that the hydrogen is consumed much faster than in a conventional nuclear reaction? It well may. If a fast cloning process is responsible for the energy, then it should stop pretty much instantly upon removal of Hydrogen supply. However with Hydrogen dissolved in a Nickel powder, removal of the external supply wouldn't immediately remove all the Hydrogen from the reactor. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of Ni-H Cold-Fusion\ [English translation]
In reply to francis 's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:26:42 -0400: Hi, Not necessarily. It could be producing an x-ray spectrum due to stimulation by ionizing radiation produced elsewhere. [snip] Jed wrote [snip] Focardi says some things that are supposed to be confidential. I will leave it to the reader to find those bits, as an exercise. He's got a big mouth. I'll bet this ruffles some feathers![/snip] Focardi says and then there's this chemical compound. The issue came up during that demonstration because, when some people tried to measure the gamma rays, Rossi objected, because by measuring the gamma rays they would have also measured the gamma rays emitted by this secret compound, and so they would have understood what it was, what was in it. He is revealing that it is a chemical compound that emits gamma rays.. That it participates in the nuclear reaction? Fran Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
