Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
- Original Message -
 Andrea Rossi
 December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=4#comment-514345
 
 Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
 You are touching a very important point: during these very days, and
 also during the more recent tests, we are working on this issue. I
 think we will be able to produce directly e.m.f. , but much work has
 to be done. Actually, we already produced direct e.m.f. with the
 reactors at high temperature, and we measured it with the very precise
 measurement instrumentation introduced by the third party expert, but
 we are not ready for an industrial production, while we are at a high
 level of industrialization for the production of heat and, at this
 point , also of high temperature steam, which is the gate to the
 Carnot Cycle. Thank you for your good comment.
 Warm Regards,
 A.R.

I just came across this old blog post
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2011/08/how-does-apply-prof-piantelli-rules-of.html

referring to an even earlier conversation with Piantelli 

Note: When our intensive and , for me, very instructive and enjoyable 
correspondence has started- March 2010, he wrote about the state of facts in 
his own LENR research- in his laboratory from Colle di Val d’Elsa: .

...
It is put in evidence a non-electrostatic potential difference between the 
extremities of the rod on which the metal clusters are deposited.



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-03 Thread mixent
In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:33:11 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
The Rossi claim may not be similar to the new Mills' CIHT device, but it is
similar to an old Mills' device - the one known as the reverse gyrotron.

That's true, but I think Mark was referring to Mills' latest work, given that he
used the present tense of the verb to seem. Hence my reply.


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

In reply to  MarkI-ZeroPoint's message:
Hi,

So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of
development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity?

This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct
conversion phenomenon if both companies were going down one path
(conversion-to-heat) and then discovered a more direct path to electricity.
BLP seems to have abandoned the direct-to-heat (d2h) path in favor of
direct-to-electricity (d2e), while Rossi is continuing the d2h path to get
something to market and cash-flow as soon as possible... perhaps a better
strategy than BLP.

Only other question is what kind of electrical current (and thus, power) is
being produced...

-Mark Iverson

I don't think the two processes are similar. Mills is using a chemical
approach
AFAIK, i.e. his device is similar to a fuel cell wherein however the energy
comes from Hydrino production. What Rossi appears to be talking about is
direct
conversion of particle energy to EMF (cyclotron frequency?) in a magnetic
field.

Presumably he would then allow the EMF to resonate in a chamber/antenna
converting it to a high frequency AC current which could then be rectified
to
DC.
 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
It is Beta Decay and Ionizing radiation triggered at the surface of that
plasmoid/dark matter particle.  It is also probably the reason Papp died of
Colon cancer, which is known to be caused from ionizing radiation.

http://www.clarku.edu/mtafund/prodlib/jsi/Colorectal_Cancer_and_Exposure_to_Ionizing_Radiation.pdf

and probably the reason Tom Rohner died of pancreatic cancer

http://www.hendersonbarkerfuneralhome.com/sitemaker/sites/hender0/obit.cgi?user=333640Rohner

and possibly why Richard Feynmam died of Abdominal Cancer.

bad, bad, bad, bad , bad stuff in concentrated doses.  Need to protect and
shield from that.

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 here is also a change of catalytic voltages.
 Change in catalytic voltages (very local) causes currents and therefore
 EMF.



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


 and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer.


Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp
device? I know that he was exposed to it, but only for a short time before
it exploded. If that was long enough to give him cancer then surely Papp
himself must have been exposed to massive amounts of radiation over many
years. He would have died after a few months I suppose.

(Incidentally, Mallove and others think that Feynman caused the explosion,
by unplugging the device.)

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:50:05 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer.
 
 
 Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp
 device? I know that he was exposed to it, but only for a short time before
 it exploded. If that was long enough to give him cancer then surely Papp
 himself must have been exposed to massive amounts of radiation over many
 years. He would have died after a few months I suppose.

I thought Feynman died of cancer because he was exposed to
radiation during his work on the Manhattan project.



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Alan Fletcher
Steven Karels
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi,

Your previous postings mentioned “direct EMF” coming from the reactor core. 
Could you please clarify? I have heard of possible direct conversion to 
electricity by coupling the energy from a charged moving particle into a 
“transformer”. In general, is this the approach by which you are able to 
extract “direct EMF”?
Andrea Rossi
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Dear Steven Karels:
Yes, that is exactly the path we are walking through. Too soon to give precise 
info, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.



RE: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of 
development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity?

This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct 
conversion phenomenon if both companies were going down one path 
(conversion-to-heat) and then discovered a more direct path to electricity.  
BLP seems to have abandoned the direct-to-heat (d2h) path in favor of 
direct-to-electricity (d2e), while Rossi is continuing the d2h path to get 
something to market and cash-flow as soon as possible... perhaps a better 
strategy than BLP.

Only other question is what kind of electrical current (and thus, power) is 
being produced...

-Mark Iverson

-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

Steven Karels
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi,

Your previous postings mentioned “direct EMF” coming from the reactor core. 
Could you please clarify? I have heard of possible direct conversion to 
electricity by coupling the energy from a charged moving particle into a 
“transformer”. In general, is this the approach by which you are able to 
extract “direct EMF”?
Andrea Rossi
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Dear Steven Karels:
Yes, that is exactly the path we are walking through. Too soon to give precise 
info, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.




Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread David Roberson
Interesting, but we are going to have to wait and see if there is anything to 
this latest statement.  Of course, electromagnetic transformers do not work 
with DC which is what I was expecting if the energy is due to radiation of some 
kind.  Perhaps he leaves out the part about an external chopper generating AC 
from internal DC.  Then he could speak of a transformer which is within the 
converter.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)


Steven Karels
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi,

Your previous postings mentioned “direct EMF” coming from the reactor core. 
Could you please clarify? I have heard of possible direct conversion to 
electricity by coupling the energy from a charged moving particle into a 
“transformer”. In general, is this the approach by which you are able to 
extract 
“direct EMF”?
Andrea Rossi
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Dear Steven Karels:
Yes, that is exactly the path we are walking through. Too soon to give precise 
info, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


 


Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
 My first thought was thermo-electric (in which Rossi has some .. history), 
 but that counter-indicated by his low temperature comments.

 How about gammavoltaics?


I mentioned this from of energy conversion to Rossi on his blog about
a year and half ago.
Harry

New thermophotovoltaic materials could replace alternators in cars and
save fuel.
By Kevin Bullis on June 1, 2006

Researchers at MIT are developing new technology for converting heat
into light and then into electricity that could eventually save fuel
in vehicles by replacing less-efficient alternators and allowing
electrical systems to run without the engine idling.


http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405894/an-alternative-to-your-alternator/

harry



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread mixent
In reply to  MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:45:37 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of 
development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity?

This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct 
conversion phenomenon if both companies were going down one path 
(conversion-to-heat) and then discovered a more direct path to electricity.  
BLP seems to have abandoned the direct-to-heat (d2h) path in favor of 
direct-to-electricity (d2e), while Rossi is continuing the d2h path to get 
something to market and cash-flow as soon as possible... perhaps a better 
strategy than BLP.

Only other question is what kind of electrical current (and thus, power) is 
being produced...

-Mark Iverson

I don't think the two processes are similar. Mills is using a chemical approach
AFAIK, i.e. his device is similar to a fuel cell wherein however the energy
comes from Hydrino production. What Rossi appears to be talking about is direct
conversion of particle energy to EMF (cyclotron frequency?) in a magnetic field.
Presumably he would then allow the EMF to resonate in a chamber/antenna
converting it to a high frequency AC current which could then be rectified to
DC.
 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed,  if you put enough steel, lead, earth or concrete between you and
ionizing radiation you can be protected.  I think Joseph Papp died at age
56...not exactly old age...

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:


 and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer.


 Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp
 device? I know that he was exposed to it, but only for a short time before
 it exploded. If that was long enough to give him cancer then surely Papp
 himself must have been exposed to massive amounts of radiation over many
 years. He would have died after a few months I suppose.

 (Incidentally, Mallove and others think that Feynman caused the explosion,
 by unplugging the device.)

 - Jed




RE: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
The Rossi claim may not be similar to the new Mills' CIHT device, but it is
similar to an old Mills' device - the one known as the reverse gyrotron.


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

In reply to  MarkI-ZeroPoint's message:
Hi,

So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of
development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity?

This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct
conversion phenomenon if both companies were going down one path
(conversion-to-heat) and then discovered a more direct path to electricity.
BLP seems to have abandoned the direct-to-heat (d2h) path in favor of
direct-to-electricity (d2e), while Rossi is continuing the d2h path to get
something to market and cash-flow as soon as possible... perhaps a better
strategy than BLP.

Only other question is what kind of electrical current (and thus, power) is
being produced...

-Mark Iverson

I don't think the two processes are similar. Mills is using a chemical
approach
AFAIK, i.e. his device is similar to a fuel cell wherein however the energy
comes from Hydrino production. What Rossi appears to be talking about is
direct
conversion of particle energy to EMF (cyclotron frequency?) in a magnetic
field.

Presumably he would then allow the EMF to resonate in a chamber/antenna
converting it to a high frequency AC current which could then be rectified
to
DC.
 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html





[Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread Alan Fletcher

Andrea Rossi
December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=4#comment-514345

Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
You are touching a very important point: during these very days, and also 
during the more recent tests, we are working on this issue. I think we will be 
able to produce directly e.m.f. , but much work has to be done. Actually, we 
already produced direct e.m.f. with the reactors at high temperature, and we 
measured it with the very precise measurement instrumentation introduced by the 
third party expert, but we are not ready for an industrial production, while we 
are at a high level of industrialization for the production of heat and, at 
this point , also of high temperature steam, which is the gate to the Carnot 
Cycle. Thank you for your good comment.
Warm Regards,
A.R.



[ I've interleaved the questions and answers ]

January 1st, 2013 at 6:50 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=5#comment-520563

I received your words with great enthusiasm regarding the findings of measuring 
direct EMF from your LENR devices. 

1. Were you referring to converting heat to electricity, or were you able to 
detect EMF coming directly from the reactor core? 
  1- directly from the reactor core

2 Is the amount of EMF seen moderated or controlled by the temperatures made by 
the Hot Cat? 
  2- still under probe

3 Will you next try to increase the effect to be able to produce power/energy 
directly without the need to convert heat to energy?
  3- yes

4 Will it ever be possible to have a “Cold Cat” make energy without heat? 
  4- possibly

5 Or with less heat?
  5- I hope too


Also, on the familiar 1MW :


Andrea Rossi
December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Dear Scott L.:
As I said and wrote many times, the Container of the 1 MW plant is the same 
tested one year ago, since to the military Customer we delivered different 
ones. This one, seen also in the Swedish Television, has been used to make 
tests, modifications, improvements, certification. It has been a tremendous 
tool for RD. Now it is destined to a Customer. It will be delivered on March, 
after further series of modifications we have in course now. Thanks to it now 
we can pass to a repetitive manufacturing line. After a glorious first life as 
a prototype for RD, it is on his way to go to work in a centralized heating 
plant to supply heat: this will be his seconf life.
Warm Regards,
A.R.



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread Alan Fletcher
My first thought was thermo-electric (in which Rossi has some .. history), but 
that counter-indicated by his low temperature comments.

How about gammavoltaics?



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread David Roberson
Reminds me of the atomic battery concept.  I gave that consideration when he 
originally stated that the energy was released in the form of low energy gammas 
that were converted into heat inside his shield.  It did not take long to come 
to the conclusion that this must not be true unless the gammas were really low 
energy.  Horace made it very clear that anything over 100 keV would escape the 
original lead lined beast and be dangerous.


Do you suspect that Rossi is back with the gamma radiation concept and is 
converting them to electricity?  Or, is this another diversion?


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)


Very interesting.
This revelation, the production of a feedback current as it also appears in the 
Papp reaction, tells me that the underlying and fundamental mechanism which 
drives the Rossi reaction is electrostatic charge separation(aka ionization). 
Way back at the beginning of his development effort, Rossi said that his 
reaction would produce a detectable electric potential.
At that early juncture, he discarded this curious characteristic of his 
reaction as not significant because he viewed it as too feeble to be productive.
I guess that the changes that he has recently made to his design have 
sufficiently enhanced this thermionic effect in preference to heat generation 
to a level that may now overshadow the production of heat as the primary energy 
product of his device. 
 
Cheers:Axil


 
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:


Andrea Rossi
December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=4#comment-514345

Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
You are touching a very important point: during these very days, and also 
during the more recent tests, we are working on this issue. I think we will be 
able to produce directly e.m.f. , but much work has to be done. Actually, we 
already produced direct e.m.f. with the reactors at high temperature, and we 
measured it with the very precise measurement instrumentation introduced by the 
third party expert, but we are not ready for an industrial production, while we 
are at a high level of industrialization for the production of heat and, at 
this point , also of high temperature steam, which is the gate to the Carnot 
Cycle. Thank you for your good comment.
Warm Regards,
A.R.



[ I've interleaved the questions and answers ]

January 1st, 2013 at 6:50 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771cpage=5#comment-520563

I received your words with great enthusiasm regarding the findings of measuring 
direct EMF from your LENR devices.

1. Were you referring to converting heat to electricity, or were you able to 
detect EMF coming directly from the reactor core?
  1- directly from the reactor core

2 Is the amount of EMF seen moderated or controlled by the temperatures made by 
the Hot Cat?
  2- still under probe

3 Will you next try to increase the effect to be able to produce power/energy 
directly without the need to convert heat to energy?
  3- yes

4 Will it ever be possible to have a “Cold Cat” make energy without heat?
  4- possibly

5 Or with less heat?
  5- I hope too


Also, on the familiar 1MW :


Andrea Rossi
December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Dear Scott L.:
As I said and wrote many times, the Container of the 1 MW plant is the same 
tested one year ago, since to the military Customer we delivered different 
ones. This one, seen also in the Swedish Television, has been used to make 
tests, modifications, improvements, certification. It has been a tremendous 
tool for RD. Now it is destined to a Customer. It will be delivered on March, 
after further series of modifications we have in course now. Thanks to it now 
we can pass to a repetitive manufacturing line. After a glorious first life as 
a prototype for RD, it is on his way to go to work in a centralized heating 
plant to supply heat: this will be his seconf life.
Warm Regards,
A.R.




 


Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread Alan Fletcher
 From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)
 Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration
 when he originally stated that the energy was released in the form of
 low energy gammas that were converted into heat inside his shield. It
 did not take long to come to the conclusion that this must not be true
 unless the gammas were really low energy. Horace made it very clear
 that anything over 100 keV would escape the original lead lined beast
 and be dangerous.
 
 
 Do you suspect that Rossi is back with the gamma radiation concept and
 is converting them to electricity? Or, is this another diversion?
 
 
 Dave

Googling on gammavoltaics gives a lot of speculation and one solid paper

Novel Nuclear Powered Photocatalytic Energy Conversion
John R. White, Douglas Kinsman, Thomas M. Regan, and Leo M. Bobek
UMass-Lowell Radiation Laboratory
University of Massachusetts Lowell
August 29, 2005

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/850408-3Vdsn0/850408.pdf

It uses a standard photovoltaic dye -- plus a GAMMA SCINTILLATOR to 
down-shift the energy into its optical range. eg Sodium Iodide, Cesium Iodide 


What if Rossi's secret sauce wasn't to create the reaction, but to capture 
gammas ???
(Pure speculation, of course ...) 



Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi’s secret sauce produces charge separation through the action of heat.
Think cesium.

Cheers:   Axil

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

  From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)
  Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration
  when he originally stated that the energy was released in the form of
  low energy gammas that were converted into heat inside his shield. It
  did not take long to come to the conclusion that this must not be true
  unless the gammas were really low energy. Horace made it very clear
  that anything over 100 keV would escape the original lead lined beast
  and be dangerous.
 
 
  Do you suspect that Rossi is back with the gamma radiation concept and
  is converting them to electricity? Or, is this another diversion?
 
 
  Dave

 Googling on gammavoltaics gives a lot of speculation and one solid paper

 Novel Nuclear Powered Photocatalytic Energy Conversion
 John R. White, Douglas Kinsman, Thomas M. Regan, and Leo M. Bobek
 UMass-Lowell Radiation Laboratory
 University of Massachusetts Lowell
 August 29, 2005

 http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/850408-3Vdsn0/850408.pdf

 It uses a standard photovoltaic dye -- plus a GAMMA SCINTILLATOR to
 down-shift the energy into its optical range. eg Sodium Iodide, Cesium
 Iodide 

 What if Rossi's secret sauce wasn't to create the reaction, but to capture
 gammas ???
 (Pure speculation, of course ...)




Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread David Roberson
Sorry, but that does not ring any bells for me Axil.  Could you give a brief 
description of how cesium would allow that?


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)


Rossi’s secret sauce produces charge separation through the action of heat. 
Think cesium.
 
Cheers:   Axil


On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com

 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

 Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration
 when he originally stated that the energy was released in the form of
 low energy gammas that were converted into heat inside his shield. It
 did not take long to come to the conclusion that this must not be true
 unless the gammas were really low energy. Horace made it very clear
 that anything over 100 keV would escape the original lead lined beast
 and be dangerous.


 Do you suspect that Rossi is back with the gamma radiation concept and
 is converting them to electricity? Or, is this another diversion?


 Dave


Googling on gammavoltaics gives a lot of speculation and one solid paper

Novel Nuclear Powered Photocatalytic Energy Conversion
John R. White, Douglas Kinsman, Thomas M. Regan, and Leo M. Bobek
UMass-Lowell Radiation Laboratory
University of Massachusetts Lowell
August 29, 2005

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/850408-3Vdsn0/850408.pdf

It uses a standard photovoltaic dye -- plus a GAMMA SCINTILLATOR to 
down-shift the energy into its optical range. eg Sodium Iodide, Cesium Iodide 


What if Rossi's secret sauce wasn't to create the reaction, but to capture 
gammas ???
(Pure speculation, of course ...)




 


Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-01 Thread Axil Axil
Electropositivity is a measure of an element's ability to donate electrons,
and therefore form positive ions; thus, it is opposed to electronegativity.
Mainly, this is an attribute of metals, meaning that for the most part, the
greater the metallic character of an element, the greater the
electropositivity.

Therefore the alkali metals are most electropositive of all. This is
because they have a single electron in their outer shell and, as this is
relatively far from the nucleus of the atom, it is easily lost; in other
words, these metals have low ionization energies.
While electronegativity increases along periods in the periodic table, and
decreases down groups, electropositivity decreases along periods (from left
to right) and increases down groups.

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electropositive

Cesium at .659 is the most electropositive of all the elements.

Another secret sauce candidate that has been verified as in use in the DGT
reaction is potassium. Its Electroposativity using the Allen scale is .734.

Conversely, the Papp reaction uses extreme electronegativity to power its
reaction.

In both cases charge separation is the basic engine powering the reaction
for both systems.




Cheers:   Axil
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Sorry, but that does not ring any bells for me Axil.  Could you give a
 brief description of how cesium would allow that?

  Dave


 -Original Message-
 From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:37 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

  Rossi’s secret sauce produces charge separation through the action of
 heat. Think cesium.

 Cheers:   Axil

  On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

  From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!!
 (??)
   Reminds me of the atomic battery concept. I gave that consideration
  when he originally stated that the energy was released in the form of
  low energy gammas that were converted into heat inside his shield. It
  did not take long to come to the conclusion that this must not be true
  unless the gammas were really low energy. Horace made it very clear
  that anything over 100 keV would escape the original lead lined beast
  and be dangerous.
 
 
  Do you suspect that Rossi is back with the gamma radiation concept and
  is converting them to electricity? Or, is this another diversion?
 
 
  Dave

  Googling on gammavoltaics gives a lot of speculation and one solid paper

 Novel Nuclear Powered Photocatalytic Energy Conversion
 John R. White, Douglas Kinsman, Thomas M. Regan, and Leo M. Bobek
 UMass-Lowell Radiation Laboratory
 University of Massachusetts Lowell
 August 29, 2005

 http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/850408-3Vdsn0/850408.pdf

 It uses a standard photovoltaic dye -- plus a GAMMA SCINTILLATOR to
 down-shift the energy into its optical range. eg Sodium Iodide, Cesium
 Iodide 

 What if Rossi's secret sauce wasn't to create the reaction, but to
 capture gammas ???
 (Pure speculation, of course ...)