Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Hi, On 7-5-2011 22:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote: They've already put references to the Italian patent approved last month but that only recently (in the last couple days) people discovered. I don't think they would have done that without the exposure on Wikipedia and other channels (maybe even Vortex-l ?) on the Internet. It's even worse it seems there are some scammers active from the Netherlands. However visiting these domain-names is not possible anymore; it seems Defkalion has put their lawyer onto the matter. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 22:54:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] >On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:49 PM, wrote: > >> I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the >> Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If >> Defkalion >> is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are >> worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency >> and >> Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the >> Euro. > >Isn't it tantamount to abandoning the petrodollar as the currency for >purchasing oil? You can buy ECats with a Euro or you can buy them >with a currency that Greece controls. Looks to me like George could >be in the driver's seat. > >T You might be right, but would it really make all that much difference? Germany does just fine using the Euro (because of it's exports), and wouldn't even contemplate leaving it. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Sweet Dreams... Of E-Cats jumping over band-gaps! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent Oh, heck, the ECat is probably a measurement error anyway. I'm going to bed. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Oh, heck, the ECat is probably a measurement error anyway. I'm going to bed. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:49 PM, wrote: > I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the > Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If Defkalion > is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are > worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency > and > Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the Euro. Isn't it tantamount to abandoning the petrodollar as the currency for purchasing oil? You can buy ECats with a Euro or you can buy them with a currency that Greece controls. Looks to me like George could be in the driver's seat. T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 22:25:02 -0400: Hi, [snip] >A protest against austerity measures in Athens. Greece is considering >leaving the euro zone, according to sources in the German government. [snip] I don't really see the point. Bankrupt is bankrupt. It's not the fault of the Euro, and changing currencies isn't going to make any difference. If Defkalion is playing a part, then Greece's fortunes will turn (it's Nickel reserves are worth about 3 trillion in energy dollars; assuming 30% conversion efficiency and Ni62/64 only), and it still won't matter whether or not it's part of the Euro. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > You are saying the patent might be different from the application? How so? We do not know what is in the recently granted patent. Plus we do not know what pressures might have been brought to bear on the patent office to rapidly consider a grant. T
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Good find Terry! As I said in previous posting, the Greek govt is facing major financial problems and internal unrest, and given the fact that they may be in posession of the golden egg-laying goose, are going to exploit that opportunity to its fullest. I don't think this latest move is a coincidence... They are posturing now because they've gained a tremendous amount of leverage (via E-Cat/Defkalion). Interesting times doesn't even describe what is taking place! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent And what about this little tidbit: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,761201,00.html "Greece Considers Exit from Euro Zone By Christian Reiermann REUTERS A protest against austerity measures in Athens. Greece is considering leaving the euro zone, according to sources in the German government. The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist. Sources with information about the government's actions have informed SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained information from German government sources knowledgeable of the situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency. Well, I might be injecting more to this than I should, but what Sword of Damocles might the Greek government hold over the head of the EU? A threat of bankruptcy or exclusive rights in the EU to a new energy source? It all could be coincidence; but, did we know about the patent before today? Interesting times, indeed! T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
And what about this little tidbit: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,761201,00.html "Greece Considers Exit from Euro Zone By Christian Reiermann REUTERS A protest against austerity measures in Athens. Greece is considering leaving the euro zone, according to sources in the German government. The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist. Sources with information about the government's actions have informed SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained information from German government sources knowledgeable of the situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency. Well, I might be injecting more to this than I should, but what Sword of Damocles might the Greek government hold over the head of the EU? A threat of bankruptcy or exclusive rights in the EU to a new energy source? It all could be coincidence; but, did we know about the patent before today? Interesting times, indeed! T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Terry Blanton wrote: > This is here: > > http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 > > You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. > > That's the application. Noone has seen the actual patent #0001387256 > and might not. If I were the Italian government, I would sequester it > for security reasons. > You are saying the patent might be different from the application? How so? I doubt the Italian government is aware of any of this, but in any case they must know as well as I do that once machines are made available anywhere on earth, they will soon be reverse engineered. You cannot keep something secret by hiding a patent. All you can do by hiding the patent is make it hard for Rossi to collect royalties. This application does not describe the powder in any detail. He has probably made progress since this was filed in 2008. This is probably not the version he is now working on. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Greece (the government) is in a real financial mess, so there is tremendous pressure to stimulate their economy and get tax revenues up. They've just been handed a goose laying golden eggs... They'd be complete idiots to kill and eat the goose... But governments have done stranger things! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application >> number MI2008A 000629 > > This is here: > http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 > You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. That's the application. Noone has seen the actual patent #0001387256 and might not. If I were the Italian government, I would sequester it for security reasons. Consider that you now have two EU governments who might accept that they have the most valuable asset in their hands since King Midas. Once convinced, would not you, as the head of the government, see to it that the bureaucracy expedited the paper? T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application >> number MI2008A 000629 > > This is here: > http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 > You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. That's the application. Noone has seen the actual patent #0001387256 and might not. If I were the Italian government, I would sequester it for security reasons. Consider that you now have two EU governments who might accept that they have the most valuable asset in their hands since King Midas. Once convinced, would not you, as the head of the government, see to it that the bureaucracy expedited the paper? T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > You lost me. What is the Grik web site? Greek? What site? "Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. is a legal entity operating under Greek Law with sole purpose to sell, license, and manufacture industrialized commercially applicable products using the Andrea Rossi's patent protected* Energy Catalyzer with global exclusivity rights; except the Americas. (*Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629, http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=1610895&table=Invention&#ancoraSearch )"
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application > number MI2008A 000629 > This is here: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444 You can read the whole thing. I assume this is it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Terry Blanton wrote: > > Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? > > Nope. The form says "issued" and a new number is applied. From the > Grik web site: > You lost me. What is the Grik web site? Greek? What site? The Italian Wikipedia says the following, translated by Google: All Italian Patent and Trademark Office has filed an application on behalf of his wife Andrea Rossi Maddalena Pascucci ie, for a patent for the Energy Catalyser (Patent No. 0001387256). The title of the patent is " process and apparatus for exothermic reactions, particularly nickel and hydrogen . " The filing date is April 9, 2008. The patent was granted April 6, 2011. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalizzatore_di_energia_di_Rossi_e_Focardi#Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
LOL. The Chinese curse ... ...If you are Rossi, then the next of the 3 curses could be worse: "May you come to the attention of those in authority" Curse or no, these are interesting times ... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
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Didn't we all notice that the patent does not include Focardi's name? T
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I think we will see ECats starting to be pumped out. Revenue will flow in. Challenges will be issued. Lawyers will be unleased. I doubt that any of us will live to see a resolution to the claims; but, we might all benefit from the products. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM, wrote: > >> Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? > > Nope. The form says "issued" and a new number is applied. From the > Grik web site: > > Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application > number MI2008A 000629 My bet is that strings were pulled because someone(s) were getting close to guessing. Now, will we get to "see" the patent and does it include the "secret", only the Shadow knows. T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM, wrote: > Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? Nope. The form says "issued" and a new number is applied. From the Grik web site: Patent number 0001387256/ April 6th 2011 on the WIPO application number MI2008A 000629 T
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
wrote: > >Ah, you beat me to it! > > > > > >> I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? > > Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? > I have no idea. I don't know enough Italian to judge. I will ask Rossi. The Defkalion site says the patent was granted, but maybe they do not understand Italian procedures either. See: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ - Jed
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 7 May 2011 11:44:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Ah, you beat me to it! > > >> I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Isn't it just a patent request (i.e. not yet granted)? >> > >Isn't there a rule that they have to honor a patent in another country? > >(I don't know. As you see, I know little about patents.) > >- Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
On 2011-05-07 17:55, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mats Lewan says "This means the EU patent is granted." Not necessarily, I'm afraid. Or does he know more about this matter? By the way, it looks like Defkalion Green Technologies is aware of people's response to E-Cat related news. Have a look at their homepage as of today: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ They've already put references to the Italian patent approved last month but that only recently (in the last couple days) people discovered. I don't think they would have done that without the exposure on Wikipedia and other channels (maybe even Vortex-l ?) on the Internet. Cheers, S.A.
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/EnergyCatalyzer Harry > > I posted this information on the _Cold Fusion Andrea Rossi Method_ Facebook >page > It has attracted over 1000 fans now... > > Harry > > > > Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > Hello group, > > > > This is straight from Wikipedia: > > > > * * * > > >>http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=1610895&table=Invention&#ancoraSearch >h > >h > > > > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi > > > > TITLE: "processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in > >particolare da nickel ed idrogeno." > > (TRANSLATION: "process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in > >particular from nickel and hydrogen") > > N. Brevetto 0001387256 > > Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, > > Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, > > Inventori: Andrea Rossi.
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
I posted this information on the _Cold Fusion Andrea Rossi Method_ Facebook page It has attracted over 1000 fans now... Harry Akira Shirakawa wrote: > Hello group, > > This is straight from Wikipedia: > > * * * > >http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=1610895&table=Invention&#ancoraSearch >h > > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi > > TITLE: "processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in >particolare da nickel ed idrogeno." > (TRANSLATION: "process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in >particular from nickel and hydrogen") > N. Brevetto 0001387256 > Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, > Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, > Inventori: Andrea Rossi. > > * * * > > I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? > > Cheers, > S.A. > >
Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Mats Lewan says "This means the EU patent is granted." - Jed
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Ah, you beat me to it! > I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? > Isn't there a rule that they have to honor a patent in another country? (I don't know. As you see, I know little about patents.) - Jed
[Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent
Hello group, This is straight from Wikipedia: * * * http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Avanzata.aspx?load=info_list_uno&id=1610895&table=Invention&#ancoraSearch http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufficio_italiano_brevetti_e_marchi TITLE: "processo ed apparecchiatura per ottenere reazioni esotermiche, in particolare da nickel ed idrogeno." (TRANSLATION: "process and equipment to obtain exothermal reactions, in particular from nickel and hydrogen") N. Brevetto 0001387256 Data Deposito: 09 aprile 2008, Data Brevetto 06 aprile 2011, Inventori: Andrea Rossi. * * * I wonder if this will have a positive effect on other patent offices? Cheers, S.A.
