Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
Vortex is known to be "forward thinking"... most of the time. This particular thread from last month about "Fluorescent light Bulb OU" appears with a new twist this weekend on Slashdot, which picked up this MSNBC story on the fluorescent light that continues to glow for over an hour after it is turned-off... Guess you would call it ..."light after death" ;-) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8825455/ - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber Mark Jordan wrote: Here is a copy/paste of a related message from the freenrg-l list: You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (US patent #3,781,601): http://tinyurl.com/9fc9f Thanks, Mark.A single tube 4 foot - 40 watt fluorescent shop light with electronic ballast runs about $20.00at Lowes.These are probably operating between 40 to 60 KHz which allows plenty of time forthe atoms/molecules to collide at the estimated 1,000 meter/sec Argon (6.64E-26 kg) and 500 meter/secMercury (3.32E-25 kg) velocities (based on a 3000 K gas temperature.According to this collision calculator for Argon-Mercury or H2 (3.32E-27 kg) -Argon etc.,the Argon atom can gain a 50% increase in velocity from an elastic collision witha Mercury atom rebounding from a wall collision at - 500 meter/second.If I didn't goof this would mean a 50% OU "kinetic energy" gain?http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/colsta.html#c4Not much advantage in going to Hydrogen-Mercury (3000 K H2 v = 5000 meter/sec) butthis doesn't square with the Double Ball Drop thing:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.html" If a light ball like a ping-pong ball is dropped along with a heavy ball like a large superball, the small ball rebounds with a remarkably high velocity, theoretically approaching three times the velocity with which the balls strike the surface. The analysis involves the nature of head-on elastic collisions and in particular the case of a light projectile hitting a heavy target. Slingshot orbits used in space exploration have features in common with this situation even though the objects involved never touch each other."I probably ain't got my vectors added right. :-)Frederick
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
One comment from the Slashdot thread - perhaps of interest to Jed Rothwell, I have one [Fluorescent light Bulb which stays lit] in my bedroom here in Japan for the last four years. I t is a ring florescent tube that glows like a night light after the light goes out. The light is made by NEC and is called Hotarukku (a play on the word hotaru, which is Japanese for firefly). It seems they launched the product in March 2000. http://www.nelt.co.jp/navi/la_shg/fre_shg.htm [nelt.co.jp] gives specs and has some pics showing the room lit with the light on and off. Needless to say another bright idea from Japan... (both corny and plagiarized) Jones BTW the active material appears to be **strontium** this has potential implicatations for both the experiments of Harvey Norris and BLP.
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
I wrote: A single tube 4 foot - 40 watt fluorescent shop light with electronic ballast runs about $20.00 at Lowes. If there is any OU energy it has to come from some sort of collision that initiates energy release as inMills' "Fractional Orbit" Hydrinoand/or the MAHG, orother OU phenomena. "The fluorescent lamp is a low-pressure gas discharge lamp that requires three basic elements to produce visible light: (1) electrodes, (2) gases, and (3) solid phosphor(s), which coat the lamp tube. It contains a highly purified noble gas (usually a few torr of argon) and a small amount of mercury (about 50 mg), which vaporizes during lamp operation." " Modern fluorescent lamps use blends of red-, green- and blue-emitting phosphors to achieve a white output and are called triphosphor lamps. These phosphors are generally complex stoichiometric metal oxides that emit light in a narrow region of the visible spectrum. For example, a cool white fluorescent-lamp phosphor blend may use Y2O3:Eu3+ for the red emission, BaMg2Al16O27Eu2+ for the blue, and Ce0.67Tb0.33MgAl11O19 for the green [9]. The precise color output of the phosphor depends not only upon the energy separation of the rare earth ions valence levels (particularly the 5d and 4f levels) but on the nature of the host lattice as well." I've been told that some manufacturers add a small amount of Hydrogen too. If not, the 185 and 254 nm UV that gets through the phosphor and glass can dissociate water vapor condensed on the bulb surface into H and O , thus allowing the H to diffuse into the lower pressure tube. Are fluorescent lamps intrinsically Hydrino-Hydrino Hydride synthesizers? Frederick
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
...overunity at Walmart? http://www.otherpower.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=12446
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
Is this what Fred is getting all Stoked up about? When a phosphor or other luminescent substance emits light, it gives in most cases an emission according to Stokes' Law. This law states that the wavelength of the fluorescent (emitted) light is always greater than the wavelength of the exciting radiation. It was first observed in 1852 in the memoir On the Change of Refrangibility of Light, by Sir G.G. Stokes. In terms of energy the relationship states that e em e ab. While Stokes' Law holds for the majority of cases, it does not hold in certain instances. In some cases the wave length is the same for both the absorbed and the emitted radiation. That is, the efficiency appears to be perfect or unity. This is known as resonance radiation. In other cases Stokes' Law does not hold where the energy emitted is greater than the energy absorbed. This is known as Anti-Stokes emission. In 1935 Prileshajewa showed that there is an energy difference as much as 1.1 v between the exciting light and the fluorescence of aniline vapor. This added energy is attributed to additions from the internal energy of the molecule. However, when the active medium produces excess energy emission, and continues to do so, then the added energy cannot be attributed to additions from the internal energy of the molecule, unless the internal energy of the molecule is itself continually being replaced from -- you guessed it -- the vacuum's fierce interaction with the molecule's charges. Further, the dynamic dipoles comprising the molecule or the particle/liquid boundary, can produce double-surface E-fields of large magnitude, as is well-known in electrochemistry. Multipass retroreflection between TiO2 particles (Lawandy) or between palladium-clad, charged beads (Patterson) can collect and disperse (as scattered coherent photons) additional energy from the powerful S-flows of the double-surface Poynting generators. It follows that, by doctoring anti-Stokes radiation situations so as to allow multipass retroreflection and thus multicollection, a permissible overunity process emerges that is practical. It is also one which can be developed into commercial overunity and even self-energizing power sources. Excess emission from a medium has been known for a long time, but not much has been done with it until the work of Letokhov and the work and inventions of Lawandy. Nabil M. Lawandy, Optical Gain Medium Having Doped Nanocrystals of Semiconductors and Also Optical Scatterers, U.S. Patent No. 5,434,878, July 18, 1995; Second Harmonic Generation and Self Frequency Doubling Laser Materials Comprised of Bulk Germanosilicate and Aluminosilicate Glasses, U.S. Patent No. 5,157,674, Oct. 20, 1992; Optical Gain Medium Having Doped Nanocrystals of Semiconductors and Also Optical Scatterers, U.S. Patent No. 5,233,621, Aug. 3, 1993; Optically Encoded Phase Matched Second harmonic Generation Device and Self Frequency Doubling Laser Material Using Semiconductor Microcrystallite Doped Glasses, U.S. Patent No. 5,253,258, Oct. 12, 1993; Optical Sources Having a Strongly Scattering Gain Medium Providing Laser-like Action, U.S. Patent application No. 08/210,710, filed Mar. 19, 1994. See also Nabil M. Lawandy, R.M. Balachandran, A.S.L. Gomes and E. Sauvain, Laser action in strongly scattering media, Nature, Letters, 368(6470), Mar. 31, 1994, p. 436-438.
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
From: Jones Beene ...overunity at Walmart? Why not? I have it on good authority (Newman's book :-) that Minn Kota stole an ou design for their trolling motor.
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
Jones Beene wrote: Is this what Fred is getting all Stoked up about? Getting close, Jones. BTW. water vapor from the air can form a tenacious adsorption layer on the bulb glass, the leaking UV can dissociate it into H O on the the surface. If you get the spin of one of the electrons in a H2 molecule in the right direction under a hard ball collision it should form Hydrino Hydride which is a LOW ENERGY version of the P-e-P (Proton-Electron-Proton) --- Deuteron + neutrino reaction seen in Hot Fusion. I'll explain that later. :-) Frederick http://electron6.phys.utk.edu/qm2/modules/m1-3/molecules.htm Homopolar molecules, consisting of two identical atoms, are inactive in the infrared. The Hamiltonian for the nuclear motion is not perturbed by the oscillating electric field, because the charge distribution has no permanent dipole moment. However the Hamiltonian for the electronic motion is perturbed, and therefore the molecule can acquire an induced dipole moment. If the frequency of the oscillating electric field lies in the optical range transitions between electronic states can be induced. Photons of energy can be absorbed and reemitted. This phenomenon is called Rayleigh scattering. If during the scattering a transition between occurs, then the energy of the scattered photon will be . We therefore can observe scattered photons of three different frequencies. ( Rayleigh line ), ( Raman-Stokes line ), ( Raman-anti Stokes line ). This can also be observed with heteropolar molecules. When a phosphor or other luminescent substance emits light, it gives in most cases an emission according to Stokes' Law. This law states that the wavelength of the fluorescent (emitted) light is always greater than the wavelength of the exciting radiation. It was first observed in 1852 in the memoir On the Change of Refrangibility of Light, by Sir G.G. Stokes. In terms of energy the relationship states that e em e ab. While Stokes' Law holds for the majority of cases, it does not hold in certain instances. In some cases the wave length is the same for both the absorbed and the emitted radiation. That is, the efficiency appears to be perfect or unity. This is known as resonance radiation. In other cases Stokes' Law does not hold where the energy emitted is greater than the energy absorbed. This is known as Anti-Stokes emission. In 1935 Prileshajewa showed that there is an energy difference as much as 1.1 v between the exciting light and the fluorescence of aniline vapor. This added energy is attributed to additions from the internal energy of the molecule. However, when the active medium produces excess energy emission, and continues to do so, then the added energy cannot be attributed to additions from the internal energy of the molecule, unless the internal energy of the molecule is itself continually being replaced from -- you guessed it -- the vacuum's fierce interaction with the molecule's charges. Further, the dynamic dipoles comprising the molecule or the particle/liquid boundary, can produce double-surface E-fields of large magnitude, as is well-known in electrochemistry. Multipass retroreflection between TiO2 particles (Lawandy) or between palladium-clad, charged beads (Patterson) can collect and disperse (as scattered coherent photons) additional energy from the powerful S-flows of the double-surface Poynting generators. It follows that, by doctoring anti-Stokes radiation situations so as to allow multipass retroreflection and thus multicollection, a permissible overunity process emerges that is practical. It is also one which can be developed into commercial overunity and even self-energizing power sources. Excess emission from a medium has been known for a long time, but not much has been done with it until the work of Letokhov and the work and inventions of Lawandy. Nabil M. Lawandy, Optical Gain Medium Having Doped Nanocrystals of Semiconductors and Also Optical Scatterers, U.S. Patent No. 5,434,878, July 18, 1995; Second Harmonic Generation and Self Frequency Doubling Laser Materials Comprised of Bulk Germanosilicate and Aluminosilicate Glasses, U.S. Patent No. 5,157,674, Oct. 20, 1992; Optical Gain Medium Having Doped Nanocrystals of Semiconductors and Also Optical Scatterers, U.S. Patent No. 5,233,621, Aug. 3, 1993; Optically Encoded Phase Matched Second harmonic Generation Device and Self Frequency Doubling Laser Material Using Semiconductor Microcrystallite Doped Glasses, U.S. Patent No. 5,253,258, Oct. 12, 1993; Optical Sources Having a Strongly Scattering Gain Medium Providing Laser-like Action, U.S. Patent application No. 08/210,710, filed Mar. 19, 1994. See also Nabil M. Lawandy, R.M. Balachandran, A.S.L. Gomes and E. Sauvain, Laser action in strongly scattering media, Nature, Letters, 368(6470), Mar. 31, 1994, p. 436-438.
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
Mark Jordan wrote: Here is a copy/paste of a related message from the freenrg-l list: You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (US patent #3,781,601): http://tinyurl.com/9fc9f Thanks, Mark. A single tube 4 foot - 40 watt fluorescent shop light with electronic ballast runs about $20.00 at Lowes. These are probably operating between 40 to 60 KHz which allows plenty of time for the atoms/molecules to collide at the estimated 1,000 meter/sec Argon (6.64E-26 kg) and 500 meter/sec Mercury (3.32E-25 kg) velocities (based on a 3000 K gas temperature. According to this collision calculator for Argon-Mercury or H2 (3.32E-27 kg) -Argon etc., the Argon atom can gain a 50% increase in velocity from an elastic collision with a Mercury atom rebounding from a wall collision at - 500 meter/second. If I didn't goof this would mean a 50% OU "kinetic energy" gain? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/colsta.html#c4 Not much advantage in going to Hydrogen-Mercury (3000 K H2 v = 5000 meter/sec) but this doesn't square with the Double Ball Drop thing: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.html " If a light ball like a ping-pong ball is dropped along with a heavy ball like a large superball, the small ball rebounds with a remarkably high velocity, theoretically approaching three times the velocity with which the balls strike the surface. The analysis involves the nature of head-on elastic collisions and in particular the case of a light projectile hitting a heavy target. Slingshot orbits used in space exploration have features in common with this situation even though the objects involved never touch each other." I probably ain't got my vectors added right. :-) Frederick
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
Mark. I wrote: A single tube 4 foot - 40 watt fluorescent shop light with electronic ballast runs about $20.00 at Lowes. These are probably operating between 40 to 60 KHz which allows plenty of time for the atoms/molecules to collide at the estimated 1,000 meter/sec Argon (6.64E-26 kg) and 500 meter/sec Mercury (3.32E-25 kg) velocities (based on a 3000 K gas temperature). According to this collision calculator for Argon-Mercury or H2 (3.32E-27 kg) -Argon etc. the Argon atom can gain a 50% increase in velocity from an elastic collision with a Mercury atom rebounding from a wall collision at - 500 meter/second. If I didn't goof this would mean a 50% OU "kinetic energy" gain? Ha. After some number crunching, it finally soaked in. What the heavy atom/molecule loses in kinetic energy or momentum the smaller atom/molecule gains. If there is any OU energy it has to come from some sort of collision that initiates energy release as inMills' "Fractional Orbit" Hydrinoand/or the MAHG, orother OU phenomena. If Imris' circuit was actually getting OU from a 5000 torr Xenon gas discharge, it would be a real eye-opener. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/colsta.html#c4 Not much advantage in going to Hydrogen-Mercury (3000 K H2 v = 5000 meter/sec) but this doesn't square with the Double Ball Drop thing: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.html " If a light ball like a ping-pong ball is dropped along with a heavy ball like a large superball, the small ball rebounds with a remarkably high velocity, theoretically approaching three times the velocity with which the balls strike the surface. The analysis involves the nature of head-on elastic collisions and in particular the case of a light projectile hitting a heavy target. Slingshot orbits used in space exploration have features in common with this situation even though the objects involved never touch each other." Planets don't lose much kinetic energy/momenum in the "Slingshot" spacecraft interaction. Frederick
Re: Are Fluorescent Light Bulbs OU?
Electrons (1/1836 AMU) Argon (~40 AMU ions) and Mercury (~200 AMU ions) and about 100 volts worth of electric field at ~ 0.4 amps, 50- 60 Hz (in place of the gravity field) slamming the ends of that millitorr- pressure fluorescent light bulb?? Double Ball Drop:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.html "If a light ball like a ping-pong ball is dropped along with a heavy ball like a large superball, the small ball rebounds with a remarkably high velocity, theoretically approaching three times the velocity with which the balls strike the surface. The analysis involves the nature of head-on elastic collisions and in particular the case of a light projectile hitting a heavy target. Slingshot orbits used in space exploration have features in common with this situation even though the objects involved never touch each other.""The rebound velocity of 3v for the small ball implies that its kinetic energy is nine times its incoming kinetic energy since the kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity. Since the gravitational potential energy is proportional to the height and the kinetic energy is all converted to potential energy at the peak of the motion, it will rise to height 9h." Frederick
Re: Are Fluorescent Light Bulbs OU?
Reiterating: A standard 40 watt, 4-foot x 1.5 inch diameter fluorescent bulb operates at ~0.4 amps/ 100 volts 50 - 60 Hz (the electronic ballast up the frequency to 30 KHz or more). The fluorescentlamp usually contains "a drop" of Mercury molecules-ions (~200 AMU) with the (~ 40 AMU)Argon molecule-ions,,and electrons (~1/1836 AMU) at a fill pressure ~ 0.01Torr @ 300 K.. Electron and ion velocity v = (2*V*1.6E^-19/m)^1/2 Neutral Molecule velocity v = (kT/0.5*m)^1/2 (T could be very high for a neutralized ion) Is something like this going on in the MAHG and with Mills' Hydrino catalyst/s? Mean Free Path Calculator:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.htmlCollision Frequency Calculator:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/frecol.html#c1Molecular Speed Calculator:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4Standard Collision Applet (Java Calculator): http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/colsta.html#c4Double Ball Drop:http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/doubal.htmlFrederick
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Fred wrote.. Neutral Molecule velocity v = (kT/0.5*m)^1/2 (T could be very high for a neutralized ion) Is something like this going on in the MAHG and with Mills' Hydrino catalyst/s? Fred, You amaze me with your insight. I went to a skin doctor some years ago. He said " stay out of he sun". I suugested the problem was the small desktop fluorescent lamp. Since that time I have considered the " artificial" light as a source of OU. During my recent visit to that doctor he said "I have been thinking about fluorescent light and you may be correct that natural sunlight plays a lesser role than lamp but welack a better method of measuring the role such lamps play in skin cancer. That triggered the thought that science needs methods of measuring OU before we spend more time trying toapply it. My thinking has been we are surrounded with the evidence .We need a believable method of measuring it.Perhaps a type of bio-genetic instrument may serve the purpose. My comments regarding CF being a " reaction" , a " counterforce", a system for maintaining " balance" is re-inforced everytime I read another hot fusion research report. The task may be described as attempting to measure centripital forces using a weight scale when it requires an unlimited amount of slack as in catching a fish. The measure is in the length of the line extended as required to tire the fish. Richard
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Richard Macaulay wrote: Fred I went to a skin doctor some years ago. He said " stay out of he sun". I suggested the problem was the small desktop fluorescent lamp. Since that time I have considered the " artificial" light as a source of OU. During my recent visit to that doctor he said "I have been thinking about fluorescent light and you may be correct that natural sunlight plays a lesser role than lamp but welack a better method of measuring the role such lamps play in skin cancer. Neutral Molecule velocity v = (kT/0.5*m)^1/2 (T could be very high for a neutralized ion) Is something like this going on in the MAHG and with Mills' Hydrino catalyst/s? Thefluorescent lamphasa 253.7 nm and 184.9 nm mercury UV and lower energy UV that isn't suppoesed to get through the phosphor, glass, and air at close range. OTOH, if the Mills Hydrino-Type "Fractional Orbit" in the argon/mercury or phosphor/glassis being formed, there could be some KeV (soft X-Rays coming out. We need a believable method of measuring it.Perhaps a type of bio-genetic instrument may serve the purpose. A concentic tube calorimeter around a standard bulb would be a start. Frederick Richard
Re: Are Fluorescent light Bulbs OU ?
On 30 Jul 2005 at 8:56, Frederick Sparber wrote: Thefluorescent lamp has a 253.7 nm and 184.9 nm mercury UV and lower energy UV that isn't supposed to get through the phosphor, glass, and air at close range. OTOH, if the Mills Hydrino-Type Fractional Orbit in the argon/mercury or phosphor/glass is being formed, there could be some KeV (soft X-Rays) coming out. A concentic tube calorimeter around a standard bulb would be a start. Frederick Here is a copy/paste of a related message from the freenrg-l list: -- You might also be interested in knowing about the Imris' circuit (US patent #3,781,601): http://tinyurl.com/9fc9f :: An optical generator of an electrostatic field at light frequencies for use in an electrical circuit, said generator having a pair of spaced apart electrodes in a gas-filled tube of quartz glass or similar material with at least one condenser cap or plate adjacent one :electrode and a dielectric-filled container enclosing the tube, the generator substantially increasing the electrical efficiency of the electrical circuit. :: An optical electrostatic generator which is effective for producing high frequencies in the visible light range of about 10^14 to 10^23 Hz. :: The present optical electrostatic generator does not perform in accordance with the accepted norms and standards of ordinary electromagnetic frequencies. :: The device can be used in a flourescent lighting circuit, with motors, flash lamps, high speed controls, laser beams, high energy pulses, electrostatic particle precipitation, chemical synthesis (such as ozone generation), and charging means for high voltage generators of the VandeGraph type, as well as particle accelerators. . . . :: The device removes the component of electricity which produces heat. For flourescent lighting, Imris shorted the pins on the ends of the tubes, indicating that the filaments are not used, or necessary. At higher pressures, the device becomes Over Unity. For instance, with a Xenon filled tube at 5,000 torr in a series circuit with 100 x 40 Watt fluorescent lamps (with a single wire going to each end of each lamp), the optical generator pulls 332 Watts, with each lamp pulling 9 tenths Watt (at 5 Volts) for 3,200 lumens output (8.8 Watts) per tube - giving a total for the circuit of 880 Watts output for 442 Watts input. As far as the compact flourescents - what I call the Scalar light bulb - I know someone who is using the circuits to power normal flourescent lamps, so you might try one of the circuits with a burned out tube. If the voltage pulse it puts out can jump the break in your filament, it might still work. If not, try reversing the tube, on the chance that only one filament is bad, in case the two outputs of the circuit are different. If all else fails, try putting an interruptor in the AC line going to the circuit. Regards, Jerry -- The dimensions given in the patent example are very similar to one of those 8Watt fluorescent tubes! Mark Jordan
