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My paper was accepted there for publication. It is no wonder that I have mostly given up and am not actively working on new energy technology any more. This is a sad day indeed. Frank Znidarsic
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so they won - by getting you to "mostly give up and not actively work on new energy technology any more". how splendid! if only everyone else was as easy as that. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, wrote: > My paper was accepted there for publication. It is no wonder that I have > mostly given up and > am not actively working on new energy technology any more. > > This is a sad day indeed. > > Frank Znidarsic >
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Oh no: This is 'not' 'giving-up.' This merely means that the 'game-is-afoot' in 'earnest as of this moment.' This is the point that 'everyone' retires to their respective 'neutral corners' and REGROUPS, reboots, and digs-in-for-the-HOME STRETCH. . . extremely 'serious-stuff,' this. . . In short: Ultimately this is 'good-news.'-JHO- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:48:30 +0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings From: esaru...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com so they won - by getting you to "mostly give up and not actively work on new energy technology any more". how splendid! if only everyone else was as easy as that. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, wrote: My paper was accepted there for publication. It is no wonder that I have mostly given up and am not actively working on new energy technology any more. This is a sad day indeed. Frank Znidarsic
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No its not. We have no resources, no credibility, and nowhere else to go. The fields and its people have been kicked and kicked again. I have only so much energy. Even Jed must be getting tired. Sooner or later the whole thing will die. I am still scheduled to speak at International Conference for Space Exploration. Tom Valone is the organizer. Lets see how long it takes for this to also get kicked out. Tom was already kicked out of the state dept once. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 11:46 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings Oh no: This is 'not' 'giving-up.' This merely means that the 'game-is-afoot' in 'earnest as of this moment.' This is the point that 'everyone' retires to their respective 'neutral corners' and REGROUPS, reboots, and digs-in-for-the-HOME STRETCH. . . extremely 'serious-stuff,' this. . . In short: Ultimately this is 'good-news.'-JHO- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:48:30 +0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings From: esaru...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com so they won - by getting you to "mostly give up and not actively work on new energy technology any more". how splendid! if only everyone else was as easy as that. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, wrote: My paper was accepted there for publication. It is no wonder that I have mostly given up and am not actively working on new energy technology any more. This is a sad day indeed. Frank Znidarsic =
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Frank Znidarsic wrote: We have no resources, no credibility, and nowhere else to go. > I agree. > Even Jed must be getting tired. Sooner or later the whole thing will die. > Indeed. I am getting tired, and I do fear that the field will die when the last researcher dies. People such as Patterson and Les Case died leaving no trace of their work and no chance that anyone will replicate them. > Tom Valone is the organizer. Lets see how long it takes for this to also > get kicked out. > Tom was already kicked out of the state dept once. > He was kicked out of a meeting room in the State Department when Park and Zimmerman pulled strings. He was fired from the Patent Office because he talks about cold fusion and various forms of "o-u" energy. He was reinstated after years of hearings and administrative procedures. If that was a victory, I would hate to see defeat. - Jed
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I'll stick with my original 'take' on this: The 'kicking out of'/suppression' of groups/individuals that are getting 'too close' to this thing relative to potential &/or already achieved-tech along these lines is a VERY SPECIFIC INDICATOR, seen accurately; which is a huge heads-up/stimulus. Like I said before: Regroup & dig-in; ergo, GET CREATIVE. Cheers Friends~:-)-JHO- To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:26:44 -0400 From: fznidar...@aol.com No its not. We have no resources, no credibility, and nowhere else to go. The fields and its people have been kicked and kicked again. I have only so much energy. Even Jed must be getting tired. Sooner or later the whole thing will die. I am still scheduled to speak at International Conference for Space Exploration. Tom Valone is the organizer. Lets see how long it takes for this to also get kicked out. Tom was already kicked out of the state dept once. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 11:46 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings Oh no: This is 'not' 'giving-up.' This merely means that the 'game-is-afoot' in 'earnest as of this moment.' This is the point that 'everyone' retires to their respective 'neutral corners' and REGROUPS, reboots, and digs-in-for-the-HOME STRETCH. . . extremely 'serious-stuff,' this. . . In short: Ultimately this is 'good-news.'-JHO- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:48:30 +0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings From: esaru...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com so they won - by getting you to "mostly give up and not actively work on new energy technology any more". how splendid! if only everyone else was as easy as that. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, wrote: My paper was accepted there for publication. It is no wonder that I have mostly given up and am not actively working on new energy technology any more. This is a sad day indeed. Frank Znidarsic =
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"He was kicked out of a meeting room in the State Department when Park and Zimmerman pulled strings. He was fired from the Patent Office because he talks about cold fusion and various forms of "o-u" energy. He was reinstated after years of hearings and administrative procedures. If that was a victory, I would hate to see defeat." Amigo's: I remember another cautionary-tale of an EX-'Patent Office employee' loser that the established big-boys wanted to stifle & erase in the 'worst-way.' His name was Albert Einstein. And as for Patterson & Les Case: 'You-all' remember them and have just let the entire world know about them. . . I see the reverse point. The whole world knows Nikola Tesla even though the Edison-cartel did their worst to erase Tesla. . . Tesla died broke--->& quite alone. . . Who do we appreciate now? QUOTE: "Quit yer whinnin." (My Mom~;-) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:48:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Frank Znidarsic wrote: We have no resources, no credibility, and nowhere else to go. I agree. Even Jed must be getting tired. Sooner or later the whole thing will die. Indeed. I am getting tired, and I do fear that the field will die when the last researcher dies. People such as Patterson and Les Case died leaving no trace of their work and no chance that anyone will replicate them. Tom Valone is the organizer. Lets see how long it takes for this to also get kicked out. Tom was already kicked out of the state dept once. He was kicked out of a meeting room in the State Department when Park and Zimmerman pulled strings. He was fired from the Patent Office because he talks about cold fusion and various forms of "o-u" energy. He was reinstated after years of hearings and administrative procedures. If that was a victory, I would hate to see defeat. - Jed
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I wonder if Steve Kirvit is looking into this. Harry > >From: Jed Rothwell >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 9:08:46 AM >Subject: [Vo]:AIP abruptly cancels proceedings > > >On October 5, the AIP sent the attached letter to Jan Marwan abruptly >cancelling >the New Energy Technology Symposium Proceedings. See the letter and a memo >from >Marwan, below. > > >We will probably upload the papers from these proceedings to LENR-CANR.org. We >will probably do this soon, since the AIP's decision appears to be irrevocable. > > >This is disappointing. Marwin did a lot of work on these proceedings, and they >would have enhanced the status of cold fusion. We do not know why the AIP >cancelled. I can speculate that someone opposed to cold fusion is behind the >decision, but I have no knowledge of that. > > >- Jed > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > >Maya Flikop >Director Special Publications and Proceedings >American Institute of Physics >Suite 1NO1, 2 Huntington Quadrangle >Melville , NY 11747 > > > >October 5, 2010 > > >Dr. Jan Marwan >Forschung & Entwicklung >Rudower Chaussee , 29 >D-12489 Berlin, GERMANY > > >Dear Dr. Marwan: > > >Having received the technical presentation and PDF files related to the “New >Energy >Technology Symposium”, AIP’s Publisher’s Office has had a chance to evaluate the >contents of the material presented. Based on this evaluation, AIP has decided to >exercise its right under Section C.1(a) of the Publishing Contract to decline >publishing >the proceedings and materials as an AIP publication. > > >As an accommodation to the Symposium Organizers, AIP would be willing to >facilitate >the printing of the Volume book for the attendees of the Symposium, including >the >title page, table of contents, and index, which will be otherwise prepared in >accordance with the technical specifications. Because we are declining the >print >or >electronic publication of such materials as an AIP publication, we will not >seek >any >copyright rights, nor will AIP include its name on the book materials. If the >Symposium >Organizers would like to have the Volume book printed, AIP can prepare and >provide >such print proceedings at a reduced price of $27 per copy. This reduction in >price is >being offered strictly as a courtesy. The Symposium Organizers are also free >to >find >another printer or publisher for its materials. > > >As an additional courtesy to assist the Symposium with finding a suitable >publisher, AIP >can provide you with a PDF file of the entire Volume so that you may use it at >your >discretion for online applications. No affiliation with AIP should be stated >or >implied in >connection with any such publication. > > >Please let me know if you would like any of the books printed, and if so, how >many. If >you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me. I look forward >to >hearing >from you. > > >Thanks and best regards, > > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >Dear colleagues, >Same as you I am disappointed that at final stage our AIP conference >proceedings, although already published on the AIP web site (Table of content, >title, abstract, ISBN and price), has been declined. As you noticed, from the >email by the AIP that I forwarded to you, the director of the AIP publishing >service is missing a detailed explanation for her unexpected decision. I leave >it to you to require specific details on that issue from the AIP. >Jed Rothwell suggested to publish this volume on his website and Scott Chubb >suggested to publish it in his journal. I am sending both the whole volume >that >I submitted to the AIP on June 29. >Jan Marwan > >
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Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan wrote: Amigo's: I remember another cautionary-tale of an EX-'Patent Office > employee' loser that the established big-boys wanted to stifle & erase in > the 'worst-way.' His name was Albert Einstein. > That is about the stupidest thing I have ever read here on Vortex. Einstein was a highly valued employee at the Patent Office, but in 1909 he was lured away by the best physicists in Europe to the university of his choice, where he set the terms and conditions. He was given a professorship with no teaching responsibilities (what he wanted). He was a star academic; one of the hottest, most sought-after scientists in academic history. No one ever tried to "stifle" him. In 1921 they gave him the Nobel Prize. Please, Jack, learn a little history. - Jed
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At 01:48 PM 10/7/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Indeed. I am getting tired, and I do fear that the field will die when the last researcher dies. People such as Patterson and Les Case died leaving no trace of their work and no chance that anyone will replicate them. Jed, don't give up. Seriously. There are so many other positive signs. Not the least of these is Ed Storms being appointed to the editorial board of Naturwissenschaften, and the publication of that review, "Status of cold fusion, 2010." Seriously, the AIP publication would have looked good, but those were all just a notch up from conference papers. Maybe the AIP didn't like the standards, but, from the beginning this has been the physicists against the chemists. Bauer on Pathological Science. Have you read that paper? He talks about the "pathological science" concept, thoroughly debunks it, and with special reference to cold fusion. It was published under peer review, I believe, and is on-line. Come to think of it, shouldn't this be in the bibliographies? Britz put in other papers that were not as much on point as Bauer
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gely FOR THEM. The Hitler-Holocaust largely gutted those trends, but that was hardly guaranteed had Rommel for instance set the Jewish prison-camps free and sponsored the Zionist Establishment of Israel instead of later in 1948. FORGOTTON HISTORY: England was 'before Germany-crimes' was MONSTROUSLY GUILTY of machine-gunning Jews on decks of Zionist-ships to Palestine and often 'sinking' those refugee ships full of Jews. FACT: Menachim Begin's HAGANAH/MOSSAD was created to FIGHT THE BRITISH brutal anti-Semitic Pogrom against establishment of the STATE of ISRAEL. When the 3rd-Reich's initial anti-Semitic campaign/Crystal-Nacht etc. FIRST SOLUTION was simply to ship the German-Jewish Population to 'exile' in Palestine. BUT British backed/sponsored Mufti-Husseini/Wahabi-Prince of Jerusalem was 'counciled' to MAKE A PACT WITH THE WAFFEN-SS to become FIELD MARSHALL OF THE ARAB LEGION who with HIMMLER DESIGNED the DEATH-CAMP-JEWISH-EXTERMINATION SYSTEM while the BRITISH SENT THE JEWISH REFUGEES-->BACK TO GERMANY! Oh yes: History could easily bounced another direction and from those 'insane' days VERY NEARLY DID! Current Britain would VERY MUCH rather be giving credit for quasi-RELATIVITY etc. to the LUCASIAN-CHAIR etc. 'rather' than crediting Eintein if they possibly could have swung it as well. . . .but the 'BOMB' changed all that. . . . In short: Einstein's popularity & support in the largely anti-semitic United States & Britain of those days would have been 'tenuous' at best had events even 'slightly' been altered and the Hitler-3rd Reich been villified as a relative 'small cadre' of villains while a 'Heroic Rommel' duely 'hung them all' and somewhat 'redeemed' the German War effort as an ANTI-BOLSHEVIC/ANTI-COMMUNIST eventual ally of the west. Subsequently> No East Germany/No Berlin Wall etc. . . . Consider alternate events track:>NO BOMB---Pinko Einstein--->Massive Propaganda blaming Jewish Marx-Lenin-Trotsky-Stalin etc.(NOW HAPPENING IN RUSSIA)--a la' past>-->(Stalin-Holocaust=50 Million-plus slaughter of Russians)>NO 1948 American backing & Establishment of the State of Israel under a PRO-America First/Pro Rommelesque Germany)>and in THAT WORLD-->Semitic-Pinko Albert Einstein is NOT lionized, nor sponsored, nor given credit for even an EVENTUAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of 'Relativity-E=MC^2.' UPSHOT: Some other PC-Acceptable personage such as Zsilard or Boehr or Planck would have been given the credit for Eintein's brain-child. Albert Einstein's notoriety & success were dependent upon a huge convergence of fortuitous events. Lucky for us that they did converge. YOU who JUST CAN'T seem to get peer-recognition which generates the LAY-PUBLIC-ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to get LENR-CANR --'funded!'---> don't get it, that even OUR/YOUR even knowing WHO EINSTEIN IS dependent entirely on the same type of convergence of factors that is so far NOT HAPPENING FOR YOU. . . "What a concept!" Is success/notoriety fair or just or inevitable? Just & fair are IRRELEVANT to the currents of history. And how many quasi-dimensions of the above 'alternative histories' have/are happening? Some think that they 'all' are fact--->somewhere/somewhen. . . Is this a 'credible' notion? HISTORICAL FACT Synthesis is a 'science' in which I posit that 'you' are severely deficient. You think that this 'scientifically & socially-aware (relatively) modern America' at THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT within our particular-centric 'time-stream' was a guaranteed done-deal which is what allows your NARROW HISTORICALLY SEVERLY LIMITED PERSPECTIVE to spout-off naively. Our current l& argely 'fair' and relatively open-minded 'world/environment' is actually FAR more PROSCRIBED by behind the scenes forces than we care to admit. . . and if 'those behind the scenes information constrainers/surpressors' want any current 'EINSTEIN' &/or R&D to be suppressed/constrained/silenced; then trust me. . . he/they/it WILL be SUPPRESSED. Justice & Freedom of Thought & Expression is NEVER AN EASY ROAD. . . and NEVER guarantee'd, sponsorship, and/or meritorious recognition &/or subsequent worthy R&D funding. I think that you really know this, but just temporarilly 'misplaced' the notion in light of your own momentary dissappointing setbacks. What a champion you are. . . however; as a 'historian,' your paint is 'still' wet. . . QUOTE: "Quit yer Whinning & looking for Scapegoats to vent on." (Me)~Cheers-JHO- Plea
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s and stopped (quasi-heroically) the holocaust in it's tracks. The Manhattan project might have then been suspended. . . . It ALMOST happened. Add to this that in those days in America that the PRO-GERMAN 'America-First' movement a la' Lindberg was IMMENSELY POPULAR in the United States. A few short years before that the MILLION-MAN-MARCH in D.C. was all wearing WHITE-SHEETS and the American Public was largely FOR THEM. The Hitler-Holocaust largely gutted those trends, but that was hardly guaranteed had Rommel for instance set the Jewish prison-camps free and sponsored the Zionist Establishment of Israel instead of later in 1948. FORGOTTON HISTORY: England was 'before Germany-crimes' was MONSTROUSLY GUILTY of machine-gunning Jews on decks of Zionist-ships to Palestine and often 'sinking' those refugee ships full of Jews. FACT: Menachim Begin's HAGANAH/MOSSAD was created to FIGHT THE BRITISH brutal anti-Semitic Pogrom against establishment of the STATE of ISRAEL. When the 3rd-Reich's initial anti-Semitic campaign/Crystal-Nacht etc. FIRST SOLUTION was simply to ship the German-Jewish Population to 'exile' in Palestine. BUT British backed/sponsored Mufti-Husseini/Wahabi-Prince of Jerusalem was 'counciled' to MAKE A PACT WITH THE WAFFEN-SS to become FIELD MARSHALL OF THE ARAB LEGION who with HIMMLER DESIGNED the DEATH-CAMP-JEWISH-EXTERMINATION SYSTEM while the BRITISH SENT THE JEWISH REFUGEES-->BACK TO GERMANY! Oh yes: History could easily bounced another direction and from those 'insane' days VERY NEARLY DID! Current Britain would VERY MUCH rather be giving credit for quasi-RELATIVITY etc. to the LUCASIAN-CHAIR etc. 'rather' than crediting Eintein if they possibly could have swung it as well. . . .but the 'BOMB' changed all that. . . . In short: Einstein's popularity & support in the largely anti-semitic United States & Britain of those days would have been 'tenuous' at best had events even 'slightly' been altered and the Hitler-3rd Reich been villified as a relative 'small cadre' of villains while a 'Heroic Rommel' duely 'hung them all' and somewhat 'redeemed' the German War effort as an ANTI-BOLSHEVIC/ANTI-COMMUNIST eventual ally of the west. Subsequently> No East Germany/No Berlin Wall etc. . . . Consider alternate events track:>NO BOMB---Pinko Einstein--->Massive Propaganda blaming Jewish Marx-Lenin-Trotsky-Stalin etc.(NOW HAPPENING IN RUSSIA)--a la' past>-->(Stalin-Holocaust=50 Million-plus slaughter of Russians)>NO 1948 American backing & Establishment of the State of Israel under a PRO-America First/Pro Rommelesque Germany)>and in THAT WORLD-->Semitic-Pinko Albert Einstein is NOT lionized, nor sponsored, nor given credit for even an EVENTUAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of 'Relativity-E=MC^2.' UPSHOT: Some other PC-Acceptable personage such as Zsilard or Boehr or Planck would have been given the credit for Eintein's brain-child. Albert Einstein's notoriety & success were dependent upon a huge convergence of fortuitous events. Lucky for us that they did converge. YOU who JUST CAN'T seem to get peer-recognition which generates the LAY-PUBLIC-ACKNOWLEDGEMENT to get LENR-CANR --'funded!'---> don't get it, that even OUR/YOUR even knowing WHO EINSTEIN IS dependent entirely on the same type of convergence of factors that is so far NOT HAPPENING FOR YOU. . . "What a concept!" Is success/notoriety fair or just or inevitable? Just & fair are IRRELEVANT to the currents of history. And how many quasi-dimensions of the above 'alternative histories' have/are happening? Some think that they 'all' are fact--->somewhere/somewhen. . . Is this a 'credible' notion? HISTORICAL FACT Synthesis is a 'science' in which I posit that 'you' are severely deficient. You think that this 'scientifically & socially-aware (relatively) modern America' at THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT within our particular-centric 'time-stream' was a guaranteed done-deal which is what allows your NARROW HISTORICALLY SEVERLY LIMITED PERSPECTIVE to spout-off naively. Our current l& argely 'fair' and relatively open-minded 'world/environment' is actually FAR more PROSCRIBED by behind the scenes forces than we care to admit. . . and if 'those behind the scenes information constrainers/surpressors' want any current 'EINSTEIN' &/or R&D to be suppressed/constrained/silenced; then trust me. . . he/they/it WILL be SUPPRESSED. Justice & Freedom of Thought & Expression is NEVER AN EASY ROAD. . . and NEVER guarantee'd, sponsorship, and/or meritorious reco
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Go to Hulu and watch the Six steps to Avert the Collapse of Civilization. by Davd Eagleman. what is the cause of collapse. 1. Running of of energy 2. The censor of information (in our case by the science police) enjoy Frank Znidarsic
