Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
Experimenters may keep some small plants, animals, and bacteria cultures adjacent to tests, and monitor them daily, including generations of offspring, for biology and especially behavior... They might even respond within seconds to transient events -- small dogs? Also, many families have members who are natural psychics, who can readily pick up all kinds of things, if people would only listen openly... !! Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 cell Imperial Beach, CA 91932 On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing > weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic > radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. > > Andrea Rossi > March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM > Jed Orwell: > I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make > a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 > hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the E-Cat > X. > Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to > make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I > am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until > the horse is good, better ride him. > F9. > Warm Regards, > A.R. > > LENR could be producing a form of stealth radiation; radiation that > damages structure and tissue but does not produce a reading on a radiation > meter. > > John Fisher has detected 1.5 MeV alpha particles radiating from a central > point of causation. Yet a gamma is not detected that should be there when > that alpha particle hits the CR-39. > > It is well known in many LENR experiments that helium is detected without > the generation of gamma radiation. This implies that alpha particles are > produced without the generation of the gammas that usually accompany the > alphas. > > How could this be possible, that alpha radiation can exist without the > detection of gamma radiation? It could be that a general state of multi > particle entanglement between the alpha particles and their center of > causation... let us call that cause an exotic neutral particle (ENP)... > transfers all gamma radiation through a quantum mechanical pathway to the > ENP. > > However, the damage that the alpha particle produces through kinetic > impact still occurs. Also, there is evidence that the ENP and float in the > air. If this is in fact true, this particle can be taken into the body > where it can catalyze nuclear reactions in tissue... and here too the gamma > radiation is hidden. > > This possibility entered my mind when Mark LeClair claimed that he and his > research partner were sickened and entered the hospital after a experiment > with a cavitation based LENR system. Could LeClair have taken into his body > a large number of these ENPs. > > It is important to understand how ENPs work if they exist to protect the > thousands of replicators that will be getting into the science of LENR. > > Like Marie Curie, Rossi might have sacrificed his health to the unknown > dangers that one must face in the LENR science. >
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe detected. This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. This is above 700mSv as fast dose there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv as fast dose. modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic destruction without any short or long term problem. above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any gravity) and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal irradiation, positron imaging... the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... this article in french is a good reference http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 translated: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst aggression for DNA) there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some details not written https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed by data. A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil : > Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing > weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic > radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. > > Andrea Rossi > March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM > Jed Orwell: > I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make > a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 > hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the E-Cat > X. > Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to > make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I > am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until > the horse is good, better ride him. > F9. > Warm Regards, > A.R. > > LENR could be producing a form of stealth radiation; radiation that > damages structure and tissue but does not produce a reading on a radiation > meter. > > John Fisher has detected 1.5 MeV alpha particles radiating from a central > point of causation. Yet a gamma is not detected that should be there when > that alpha particle hits the CR-39. > > It is well known in many LENR experiments that helium is detected without > the generation of gamma radiation. This implies that alpha particles are > produced without the generation of the gammas that usually accompany the > alphas. > > How could this be possible, that alpha radiation can exist without the > detection of gamma radiation? It could be that a general state of multi > particle entanglement between the alpha particles and their center of > causation... let us call that cause an exotic neutral particle (ENP)... > transfers all gamma radiation through a quantum mechanical pathway to the > ENP. > > However, the damage that the alpha particle produces through kinetic > impact still occurs. Also, there is evidence that the ENP and float in the > air. If this is in fact true, this particle can be taken into the body > where it can catalyze nuclear reactions in tissue... and here too the gamma > radiation is hidden. > > This possibility entered my mind when Mark LeClair claimed that he and his > research partner were sickened and entered the hospital after a experiment > with a cavitation based LENR system. Could LeClair have taken into his body > a large number of these ENPs. > > It is important to understand how ENPs work if they exist to protect the > thousands of replicators that will be getting into the science of LENR. > > Like Marie Curie, Rossi might have sacrificed his health to the unknown > dangers that one must face in the LENR science. >
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
Alain Sepeda. Agreed. Reminds of the media scare about people living near nuclear power plants getting cancer. Ignoring that the workers IN the power plants didn't. However well intentioned, comment's like Axil's get picked up and used by opponents of change. I much doubt Rossi would be "feeling well" if he had suffered a radiation overdose.
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
To match with the problem of radiation accidents, the biggest cause of trouble in Chernobyl and in Fukushima is the terrible impact of stress. Andrea Rossi, like many of us, may just be tired, stressed, by fear, by enthusiasm, by challenges and stakes, by internal conflicts, by technical troubles... Anyway having a canari inside the LENR mine, like a guinea pig activity park, tropical aquarium, bacterial culture, orchids, CR39 stock, plus good old Geiger , may be a good idea. It is good for stress too to grow plants, watch fishes, care of animals. An roasted guinea pig is a south america especially, in case of big LENR bursts. 2016-03-04 15:48 GMT+01:00 a.ashfield : > Alain Sepeda. > Agreed. > Reminds of the media scare about people living near nuclear power plants > getting cancer. Ignoring that the workers IN the power plants didn't. > > However well intentioned, comment's like Axil's get picked up and used by > opponents of change. I much doubt Rossi would be "feeling well" if he had > suffered a radiation overdose. > >
RE: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM To: Vortex List Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe detected. This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. This is above 700mSv as fast dose there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv as fast dose. modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic destruction without any short or long term problem. above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any gravity) and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal irradiation, positron imaging... the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... this article in french is a good reference http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 translated: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr <http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1> &sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst aggression for DNA) there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some details not written https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed by data. A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com> >: Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. Andrea Rossi March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM Jed Orwell: I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the E-Cat X. Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until the horse is good, better ride him. F9. Warm Regards, A.R. LENR could be producing a form of stealth radiation; radiation that damages structure and tissue but does not produce a reading on a radiation meter. John Fisher has detected 1.5 MeV alpha particles radiating from a central point of causation. Yet a gamma is not detected that should be there when that alpha particle hits the CR-39. It is well known in many LENR experiments that helium is detected without the generation of gamma radiation. This implies that alpha particles are produced without the generation of the gammas that usually accompany the alphas. How could this be possible, that alpha radiation can exist without the detection of gamma radiation? It could be that a general state of multi particle entanglement between the alpha particles and their center of causation...
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
I think at least an equal concern to radiation exposure is the incidental exposure to vented nickel tetracarbonyl vapor. I believe this can cause pulmonary distress at quite low concentrations. The tolerance for nickel tetracarbonyl may be quite low. The nickel tetracarbonyl can come from heating nickel with oxidized powders with something containing carbon. The carbon becomes CO and reacts with the nickel forming nickel tetracarbonyl - known in the industry as "liquid death". On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Russ George wrote: > If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and > detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. > One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, > be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near > background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem > signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) > Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our > enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent > of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics > terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the > most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to > say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold > fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one > does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ > > >
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. There are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor and Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there is no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that be at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in case? On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George wrote: > If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and > detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. > One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, > be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near > background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem > signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) > Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our > enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent > of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics > terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the > most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to > say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold > fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one > does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ > > > > *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On > Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda > *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM > *To:* Vortex List > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? > > > > the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe > detected. > > This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. > > This is above 700mSv as fast dose > > > > there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is > independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv > as fast dose. > > > > > > > > modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic > destruction without any short or long term problem. > > above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any > gravity) > > and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. > > > > there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal > irradiation, positron imaging... > > the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold > scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... > > > > > > this article in french is a good reference > > http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 > > translated: > > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 > > > > for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen > few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock > protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for > any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst > aggression for DNA) > > > > there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some > details not written > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY > > > > for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can > endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. > > > > reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. > > I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed > by data. > > > > A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. > > > > > > > > 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil : > > Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing > weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic > radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. > > Andrea Rossi > March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM > Jed Orwell: > I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make > a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 > hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the E-Cat > X. > Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to > make withou
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
Maybe. One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense. making assumption on a blackswan is risky. anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not by theory. Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is part of it's rejection cause. 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George : > If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and > detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. > One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, > be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near > background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem > signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) > Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our > enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent > of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics > terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the > most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to > say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold > fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one > does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ > > > > *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On > Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda > *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM > *To:* Vortex List > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? > > > > the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe > detected. > > This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. > > This is above 700mSv as fast dose > > > > there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is > independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv > as fast dose. > > > > > > > > modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic > destruction without any short or long term problem. > > above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any > gravity) > > and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. > > > > there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal > irradiation, positron imaging... > > the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold > scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... > > > > > > this article in french is a good reference > > http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 > > translated: > > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 > > > > for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen > few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock > protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for > any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst > aggression for DNA) > > > > there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some > details not written > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY > > > > for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can > endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. > > > > reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. > > I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed > by data. > > > > A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. > > > > > > > > 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil : > > Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing > weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic > radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. > > Andrea Rossi > March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM > Jed Orwell: > I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make > a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 > hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the E-Cat > X. > Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to > make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I > am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until > the horse is good, better ride him. > F9. > Warm Regards, > A.R. &
Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick?
Hell, we've got thousands of birds, fish, bats, bees, butterflies, coral polyps, sea stars, sea lions dropping dead around us and very few people seem to give a shit... On Friday, March 4, 2016, Alain Sepeda wrote: > Maybe. > One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological > canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense. > > making assumption on a blackswan is risky. > anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not > by theory. > Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is > part of it's rejection cause. > > 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George >: > >> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. >> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, >> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >> >> >> >> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com >> [mailto: >> alain.coetm...@gmail.com >> ] *On Behalf >> Of *Alain Sepeda >> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >> *To:* Vortex List >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >> >> >> >> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >> detected. >> >> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >> >> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >> >> >> >> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is >> independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv >> as fast dose. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >> destruction without any short or long term problem. >> >> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any >> gravity) >> >> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >> >> >> >> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >> irradiation, positron imaging... >> >> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >> >> >> >> >> >> this article in french is a good reference >> >> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >> >> translated: >> >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >> >> >> >> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen >> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for >> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst >> aggression for DNA) >> >> >> >> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some >> details not written >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY >> >> >> >> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can >> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. >> >> >> >> reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. >> >> I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed >> by data. >> >> >> >> A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil > >: >> >> Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition s
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It is true that ‘few’ of us give a shit about the great dyings in the world, but some are doing real work to provide the antidote to this … watch my dust this year for more (nano hematite dust that is;) read more about restoring the oceans at russgeorge.net From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? Hell, we've got thousands of birds, fish, bats, bees, butterflies, coral polyps, sea stars, sea lions dropping dead around us and very few people seem to give a shit... On Friday, March 4, 2016, Alain Sepeda mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com> > wrote: Maybe. One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense. making assumption on a blackswan is risky. anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not by theory. Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is part of it's rejection cause. 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George >: If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com ] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM To: Vortex List Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe detected. This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. This is above 700mSv as fast dose there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv as fast dose. modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic destruction without any short or long term problem. above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any gravity) and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal irradiation, positron imaging... the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... this article in french is a good reference http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 translated: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr <http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1> &sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst aggression for DNA) there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some details not written https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed by data. A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil >: Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as losing weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of chronic radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. Andrea Rossi March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM Jed Orwell: I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to make a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work my 12 hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophol
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FYI http://phys.org/news/2016-03-seeding-iron-pacific-carbon-air.html Seeding iron in the Pacific may not pull carbon from air as thought On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Russ George wrote: > It is true that ‘few’ of us give a shit about the great dyings in the > world, but some are doing real work to provide the antidote to this … watch > my dust this year for more (nano hematite dust that is;) read more about > restoring the oceans at russgeorge.net > > > > *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 10:14 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? > > > > Hell, we've got thousands of birds, fish, bats, bees, butterflies, coral > polyps, sea stars, sea lions dropping dead around us and very few > people seem to give a shit... > > On Friday, March 4, 2016, Alain Sepeda wrote: > > Maybe. > > One idea to protect humans from unknown risk is probably to put biological > canaries not far, especially some having less efficient HSP defense. > > > > making assumption on a blackswan is risky. > > anyway there are many things we have learned by observation, even if not > by theory. > > Until now the general ideas is that LENR really HATE radiations... that is > part of it's rejection cause. > > > > 2016-03-04 17:55 GMT+01:00 Russ George : > > If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and > detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. > One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, > be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near > background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem > signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) > Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our > enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent > of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics > terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the > most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to > say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold > fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one > does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ > > > > *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On > Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda > *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM > *To:* Vortex List > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? > > > > the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe > detected. > > This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. > > This is above 700mSv as fast dose > > > > there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is > independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv > as fast dose. > > > > > > > > modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic > destruction without any short or long term problem. > > above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any > gravity) > > and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. > > > > there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal > irradiation, positron imaging... > > the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold > scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... > > > > > > this article in french is a good reference > > http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 > > translated: > > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 > > > > for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen > few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock > protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for > any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst > aggression for DNA) > > > > there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some > details not written > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY > > > > for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can > endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. > > > > reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. > > I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be
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Yes Axil, I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. Mats > 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil : > > I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. There > are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor and > Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there is no > gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that be at > CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in > operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion > inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons inside > the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in case? > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George wrote: >> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. One >> of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, be >> seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near background >> that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem signals turn >> into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) Fortunately the >> human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our enhanced cold >> fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent of those massive >> cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics terms as low doses. >> Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the most exposure and the >> nature of this new and still very poorly observed to say nothing of >> described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold fusion >> scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one does not >> catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >> >> >> >> From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf >> Of Alain Sepeda >> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >> To: Vortex List >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >> >> >> >> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >> detected. >> >> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >> >> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >> >> >> >> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is >> independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv as >> fast dose. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >> destruction without any short or long term problem. >> >> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any >> gravity) >> >> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >> >> >> >> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >> irradiation, positron imaging... >> >> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >> >> >> >> >> >> this article in french is a good reference >> >> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >> >> translated: >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >> >> >> >> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen few >> decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for >> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst >> aggression for DNA) >> >> >> >> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some >> details not written >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY >> >> >> >> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can >> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. >> >> >> >> reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. >> >&g
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Mats, are Muons hard to detect? Or just hard to distinguish from electrons? On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mats Lewan wrote: > Yes Axil, > > I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large > amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He > said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this > effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. > > Mats > > 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil : > > I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. There > are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor and > Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there is > no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that be > at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in > operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion > inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons > inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in > case? > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George > wrote: > >> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. >> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, >> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >> >> >> >> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda >> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >> *To:* Vortex List >> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >> >> >> >> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >> detected. >> >> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >> >> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >> >> >> >> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity is >> independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above 100-200mSv >> as fast dose. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >> destruction without any short or long term problem. >> >> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of any >> gravity) >> >> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >> >> >> >> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >> irradiation, positron imaging... >> >> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >> >> >> >> >> >> this article in french is a good reference >> >> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >> >> translated: >> >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >> >> >> >> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen >> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for >> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst >> aggression for DNA) >> >> >> >> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some >> details not written >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY >> >> >> >> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can >> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. >> &g
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How do we know that what is coming out of the Rossi XCat are electrons and not muons? On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:04 PM, John Berry wrote: > Mats, are Muons hard to detect? Or just hard to distinguish from > electrons? > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mats Lewan wrote: > >> Yes Axil, >> >> I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large >> amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He >> said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this >> effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. >> >> Mats >> >> 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil : >> >> I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. >> There are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor >> and Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there >> is no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that >> be at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in >> operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion >> inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons >> inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in >> case? >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George >> wrote: >> >>> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >>> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. >>> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, >>> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >>> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >>> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >>> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >>> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >>> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >>> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >>> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >>> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >>> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >>> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >>> *To:* Vortex List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >>> >>> >>> >>> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >>> detected. >>> >>> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >>> >>> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >>> >>> >>> >>> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity >>> is independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above >>> 100-200mSv as fast dose. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >>> destruction without any short or long term problem. >>> >>> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of >>> any gravity) >>> >>> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >>> >>> >>> >>> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >>> irradiation, positron imaging... >>> >>> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >>> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> this article in french is a good reference >>> >>> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >>> >>> translated: >>> >>> >>> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen >>> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >>> protein, which as said in the article
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e of information we need is a flux-to-equivalent-dose conversion for muons in the energy environs of one GeV. This datum can also be found trivially using teh Google, on p. 55 of The Dosimetry of Ionizing Radiation, Vol. 3 by Gerard Meurant: 40 fSv m^2. Multiplying the flux by the the conversion factor, we get an effective dose rate at sea level due to muons: 40*170 = 6800 fSv/s = 0.21 mSv/year. A dose of 1 Sv confers a 5% excesschance of fatal cancer. Multiplying 0.21 mSv by 5% gives us a 0.001% excess chance of fatal cancer per year due to muons in the environment. Generally, your chance of kicking the bucket due to cancer as opposed to some other cause is about 25%, so the 0.001% excess is an absolute chance of 2.7E-6, and there is our answer: about one person in 370,000 will bite the big one due to muon exposure received in the course of one year. This is broadly about as risky as driving 100 miles. But, unless you want to live your life under a glacier, in a mine shaft, or in a submarine, there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from these little extraterrestrial bullets. All you can do is sit back and bewail your unfortunate lot in life, destined to die some day--perhaps done in by the flying remains of some ancient supernova. [/quote] On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > How do we know that what is coming out of the Rossi XCat are electrons and > not muons? > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:04 PM, John Berry wrote: > >> Mats, are Muons hard to detect? Or just hard to distinguish from >> electrons? >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mats Lewan wrote: >> >>> Yes Axil, >>> >>> I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large >>> amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He >>> said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this >>> effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. >>> >>> Mats >>> >>> 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil : >>> >>> I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. >>> There are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor >>> and Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there >>> is no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that >>> be at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in >>> operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion >>> inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons >>> inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in >>> case? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose >>>> and detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is >>>> afoot. One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or >>>> poorly, be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >>>> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >>>> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >>>> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >>>> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >>>> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >>>> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >>>> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >>>> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >>>> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >>>> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >>>> *To:* Vortex List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >>>> detected. >>>> >>>> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >>>> >>>> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity >>
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t; 3. Your risk of being killed by muons (muicide) > > Let's consider an average person living at sea level. Googling "muon flux > at sea level" returns a number of reasonably-authoritative sources putting > this quantity at 1/(cm^2 min) = 0.017/(cm^2 s) = 170/(m^2 s). The mean > energy is in the range of 2-4 GeV; this is important because I am about to > make an assumption that there are few muons below 0.1 GeV in this spectrum. > (Muons of <0.1 GeV energy, as mentioned above, tend to decay within your > body and cause more damage, so their weighting factor is higher.) The other > piece of information we need is a flux-to-equivalent-dose conversion for > muons in the energy environs of one GeV. This datum can also be found > trivially using teh Google, on p. 55 of The Dosimetry of Ionizing > Radiation, Vol. 3 by Gerard Meurant: 40 fSv m^2. Multiplying the flux by > the the conversion factor, we get an effective dose rate at sea level due > to muons: 40*170 = 6800 fSv/s = 0.21 mSv/year. A dose of 1 Sv confers a 5% > excesschance of fatal cancer. Multiplying 0.21 mSv by 5% gives us a 0.001% > excess chance of fatal cancer per year due to muons in the environment. > Generally, your chance of kicking the bucket due to cancer as opposed to > some other cause is about 25%, so the 0.001% excess is an absolute chance > of 2.7E-6, and there is our answer: about one person in 370,000 will bite > the big one due to muon exposure received in the course of one year. This > is broadly about as risky as driving 100 miles. But, unless you want to > live your life under a glacier, in a mine shaft, or in a submarine, there > is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from these little extraterrestrial > bullets. All you can do is sit back and bewail your unfortunate lot in > life, destined to die some day--perhaps done in by the flying remains of > some ancient supernova. > [/quote] > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> How do we know that what is coming out of the Rossi XCat are electrons >> and not muons? >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:04 PM, John Berry >> wrote: >> >>> Mats, are Muons hard to detect? Or just hard to distinguish from >>> electrons? >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mats Lewan wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Axil, >>>> >>>> I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large >>>> amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He >>>> said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this >>>> effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. >>>> >>>> Mats >>>> >>>> 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil : >>>> >>>> I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. >>>> There are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor >>>> and Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there >>>> is no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that >>>> be at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in >>>> operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion >>>> inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons >>>> inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in >>>> case? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose >>>>> and detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is >>>>> afoot. One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or >>>>> poorly, be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >>>>> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >>>>> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >>>>> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >>>>> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >>>>> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >>>>> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >>>>> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >>>>> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few >>>>> cold >>>>> fusio
