How do we know that what is coming out of the Rossi XCat are electrons and not muons?
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:04 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mats, are Muons hard to detect? Or just hard to distinguish from > electrons? > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mats Lewan <m...@matslewan.se> wrote: > >> Yes Axil, >> >> I spoke to Holmlid, and one thing that he underlined was possible large >> amounts of muons from the reaction, and that muons were hard to detect. He >> said that that he suspected that also LENR reactions could have this >> effect, without LENR experimenters knowing it. >> >> Mats >> >> 4 mars 2016 kl. 18:32 skrev Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>: >> >> I don't understand yet what is happening in the Holmlid experiments. >> There are shiploads of subatomic particles produced in the Holmlid reactor >> and Holmlid says that hot fusion is happening (which I doubt) and yet there >> is no gamma radiation coming out of all that chaos. Would the powers that >> be at CERN let their personal walk around the ATLAS detector when it was in >> operation producing Kaons. I don't think so. Does muons catalyze fusion >> inside the body if muons are injected? What happens to decaying Kaons >> inside the lungs. Should LENR experiments be done inside a Hot Cell just in >> case? >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> If speaking of conventional known radiations this comment about dose and >>> detection is true however in ‘cold fusion’ clearly the unknown is afoot. >>> One of those unknowns is what is it that can be there but not, or poorly, >>> be seen. For example what might be seen as a nominal presence near >>> background that can suddenly be made ‘visible’ to detectors where millirem >>> signals turn into kilorem! (micro-Sieverts to Sieverts if you prefer) >>> Fortunately the human body is more akin to our normal detectors than our >>> enhanced cold fusion mischegunon detectors so the harming dose equivalent >>> of those massive cold fusion radiations remains for us in health physics >>> terms as low doses. Still the better cold fusion cooks are sure to see the >>> most exposure and the nature of this new and still very poorly observed to >>> say nothing of described radiations is far from clear. More than a few cold >>> fusion scientists have succumbed already. As is said in ancient texts ‘one >>> does not catch the unknown in a net of the known.’ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 12:13 AM >>> *To:* Vortex List >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi sick? >>> >>> >>> >>> the dose, and the speed of dose to make someone sick is huge and canbe >>> detected. >>> >>> This is what people name "deterministic effect" in radioprotection. >>> >>> This is above 700mSv as fast dose >>> >>> >>> >>> there is also undeterministic effect, typically cancer, whose severity >>> is independent of the dose, but which are trigger for adult above >>> 100-200mSv as fast dose. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> modern biology taught that a cell can endure a given number of genetic >>> destruction without any short or long term problem. >>> >>> above a given rate, there is undeterministic effect (risk of caner of >>> any gravity) >>> >>> and then above a high rate deterministic effect from sickness to death. >>> >>> >>> >>> there is much unfounded fear, especially for fulbody scan , foetal >>> irradiation, positron imaging... >>> >>> the threshold today are well known, and the linear dose no treshold >>> scarmongering is definitively dead, escept in the media... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> this article in french is a good reference >>> >>> http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article1789 >>> >>> translated: >>> >>> >>> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pseudo-sciences.org%2Fspip.php%3Farticle1789&sandbox=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> for those doubting on it, it refers to element of biology that I've seen >>> few decade ago described for cancer inception , linked to HSP (heat shock >>> protein, which as said in the article don't work only for radiation but for >>> any aggression, mostly oxidative stress caused by respiration, the worst >>> aggression for DNA) >>> >>> >>> >>> there is a video in french which is very clear and interesting fro some >>> details not written >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L9rrD3t3FY >>> >>> >>> >>> for example there is reference to the number of damage that a cell can >>> endure without problem, and above whoch there is non deterministic risks. >>> >>> >>> >>> reference also to many myth propagated by scaremongers. >>> >>> I don't expect to convince as the propaganda is too strong to be opposed >>> by data. >>> >>> >>> >>> A phenomenon we observe in LENR domain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-04 6:57 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Rossi is complaining about a 'failure to thrive' condition such as >>> losing weight without reason. We might consider that a primary symptom of >>> chronic radiation exposure is unexplained weight loss. >>> >>> Andrea Rossi >>> March 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM >>> Jed Orwell: >>> I continue to lose weight and we do not understand why. I am going to >>> make a lot of “scopies” you name one, I scope it, but I feel well and work >>> my 12 hours per day on my E-Cats; today another important loophole with the >>> E-Cat X. >>> Anyway: yes, I am ready to pass to my Team all the skills necessary to >>> make without me, just in case. But I never in my life worked as well as I >>> am doing during these days. Obviously, the faster we go, the better. Until >>> the horse is good, better ride him. >>> F9. >>> Warm Regards, >>> A.R. >>> >>> LENR could be producing a form of stealth radiation; radiation that >>> damages structure and tissue but does not produce a reading on a radiation >>> meter. >>> >>> John Fisher has detected 1.5 MeV alpha particles radiating from a >>> central point of causation. Yet a gamma is not detected that should be >>> there when that alpha particle hits the CR-39. >>> >>> It is well known in many LENR experiments that helium is detected >>> without the generation of gamma radiation. This implies that alpha >>> particles are produced without the generation of the gammas that usually >>> accompany the alphas. >>> >>> How could this be possible, that alpha radiation can exist without the >>> detection of gamma radiation? It could be that a general state of multi >>> particle entanglement between the alpha particles and their center of >>> causation... let us call that cause an exotic neutral particle (ENP)... >>> transfers all gamma radiation through a quantum mechanical pathway to the >>> ENP. >>> >>> However, the damage that the alpha particle produces through kinetic >>> impact still occurs. Also, there is evidence that the ENP and float in the >>> air. If this is in fact true, this particle can be taken into the body >>> where it can catalyze nuclear reactions in tissue... and here too the gamma >>> radiation is hidden. >>> >>> This possibility entered my mind when Mark LeClair claimed that he and >>> his research partner were sickened and entered the hospital after a >>> experiment with a cavitation based LENR system. Could LeClair have taken >>> into his body a large number of these ENPs. >>> >>> It is important to understand how ENPs work if they exist to protect the >>> thousands of replicators that will be getting into the science of LENR. >>> >>> Like Marie Curie, Rossi might have sacrificed his health to the unknown >>> dangers that one must face in the LENR science. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
