RE: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
Two messages are coming through loud and clear wrt the "big picture". First - Rossi is getting horrendous legal advice, and the beneficiary of that is the "rest of us". This is no doubt the worst patent application in memory and it follows a very good one that Rossi got when LTI paid the bill (extremely competent, actually, which is why I am calling this one nothing more than a joke). IOW - with an unenforceable patent as his only protection -junk really, then Rossi will go down as a "great inventor" with big bucks in the bank from the Greeks - and at the same time US consumers will be able to buy these things from China for a very low cost, as space heaters, since they are non-nuclear. Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle - we have effectively lowered fossil fuel consumption by up to 30%. That will get back to lower oil costs, in the end. It is the best of all scenarios. And the E-Cat might work on an organic vapor cycle (i.e. ammonia) instead of steam, anyway. What's not to like about that? Jones From: Roarty, Francis X So Rossi let us go ahead and think the cu was outside the SS reactor while it was actually the sealed inner reactor filled with Ni powder and a resistive heater. Water flows around the copper reactor inside a SS jacket. The SS is a jacket not a reactor! See patent & drawing Jed just uploaded : http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf
Re: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
Could a copper reactor tube even be able to handle the heat (1100F?) and pressure (25 bar?) of H2? On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Two messages are coming through loud and clear wrt the “big picture”… > > > > First - Rossi is getting horrendous legal advice, and the beneficiary of > that is the “rest of us”. This is no doubt the worst patent application in > memory and it follows a very good one that Rossi got when LTI paid the bill > (extremely competent, actually, which is why I am calling this one nothing > more than a joke). > > > > IOW – with an unenforceable patent as his only protection –junk really, > then Rossi will go down as a “great inventor” with big bucks in the bank > from the Greeks - and at the same time US consumers will be able to buy > these things from China for a very low cost, as space heaters, since they > are non-nuclear. > > > > Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest > fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle – we have > effectively lowered fossil fuel consumption by up to 30%. That will get back > to lower oil costs, in the end. It is the best of all scenarios. > > > > And the E-Cat might work on an organic vapor cycle (i.e. ammonia) instead > of steam, anyway. > > > > What’s not to like about that? > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From:* Roarty, Francis X > > > > So Rossi let us go ahead and think the cu was outside the SS reactor while > it was actually the sealed inner reactor filled with Ni powder and a > resistive heater. Water flows around the copper reactor inside a SS jacket. > The SS is a jacket not a reactor! See patent & drawing Jed just uploaded : > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf > > >
RE: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
I don't think this idea could have been overlooked but just for the sake of being thorough ... Is it possible the "secret" ingredient is the cooling loop? My point being the cases of life after death could be attributed to absorbed hydrogen leaching out, What if this process is self choking itself such that heat can only be generated slowly unless you actively cool the absorbed hydrogen in the ni coating of the reactor inner wall? I think you need a majority population of h2 for the catalyst to disassociate at a discount but if heat and confinement are preserved you quickly run out of H2 and have to wait for it to slowly cool or leach out. Fran BTW this coating is awful similar to Moller's sputtered vacuum tube [MAHG] and IMHO depends on the same oscillation between h1 and h2. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel Two messages are coming through loud and clear wrt the "big picture"... First - Rossi is getting horrendous legal advice, and the beneficiary of that is the "rest of us". This is no doubt the worst patent application in memory and it follows a very good one that Rossi got when LTI paid the bill (extremely competent, actually, which is why I am calling this one nothing more than a joke). IOW - with an unenforceable patent as his only protection -junk really, then Rossi will go down as a "great inventor" with big bucks in the bank from the Greeks - and at the same time US consumers will be able to buy these things from China for a very low cost, as space heaters, since they are non-nuclear. Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle - we have effectively lowered fossil fuel consumption by up to 30%. That will get back to lower oil costs, in the end. It is the best of all scenarios. And the E-Cat might work on an organic vapor cycle (i.e. ammonia) instead of steam, anyway. What's not to like about that? Jones From: Roarty, Francis X So Rossi let us go ahead and think the cu was outside the SS reactor while it was actually the sealed inner reactor filled with Ni powder and a resistive heater. Water flows around the copper reactor inside a SS jacket. The SS is a jacket not a reactor! See patent & drawing Jed just uploaded : http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf
Re: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
Jones Beene wrote: > Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest > fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle . . . > Previous results with Ni-H and Pd - gas loading D show that high temperatures can be reached. That will not be a problem. Even if it were a problem, there are many other promising high temperature cold fusion techniques, such proton conductors. If the Rossi device is sold, surely everyone will realize that cold fusion exists, and people will do intense research on proton conductors. Rapid progress will be made on this and all other forms of cold fusion. In the end, Ni-H may predominate, but all other types will be developed for a while. This is what happened with semiconductors, in which different materials such as Ga, and various configurations were tested, and even sold for a while, before we settled on Si. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
Rossi claims that he can produce steam up to 550C by connecting units together. There is no reason to think he cannot produce hot enough steam to produce electricity. Also, regardless as to the quality of this patent, what really matters is the patent that covers the catalyst. Anyone could buy nano-nickel powder and build what Rossi has described to us. Without the catalyst they could not produce a significant output. Being nuclear devices (transmutations and low level gamma rays being produced) the NRC may try to step in, but I think their efforts will be futile. Hopefully, the fact cold fusion exists will make some scientists take another look at other technologies such as those produced by Black Light Power. The world needs those hydrino hydride compounds! From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 5:07:53 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel Two messages are coming through loud and clear wrt the “big picture”… First - Rossi is getting horrendous legal advice, and the beneficiary of that is the “rest of us”. This is no doubt the worst patent application in memory and it follows a very good one that Rossi got when LTI paid the bill (extremely competent, actually, which is why I am calling this one nothing more than a joke). IOW – with an unenforceable patent as his only protection –junk really, then Rossi will go down as a “great inventor” with big bucks in the bank from the Greeks - and at the same time US consumers will be able to buy these things from China for a very low cost, as space heaters, since they are non-nuclear. Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle – we have effectively lowered fossil fuel consumption by up to 30%. That will get back to lower oil costs, in the end. It is the best of all scenarios. And the E-Cat might work on an organic vapor cycle (i.e. ammonia) instead of steam, anyway. What’s not to like about that? Jones From:Roarty, Francis X So Rossi let us go ahead and think the cu was outside the SS reactor while it was actually the sealed inner reactor filled with Ni powder and a resistive heater. Water flows around the copper reactor inside a SS jacket. The SS is a jacket not a reactor! See patent & drawing Jed just uploaded : http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf
Re: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
In order to get the temperature of the steam up to 550C, a very expensive high pressure steam loop is required. Such loops are found in nuclear and coal plants. The reaction vessels must also be reinforced to handle the high steam pressure. A ambient pressure liquid metal coolant (lithium hydride) alterative that can operate up to 1000C is a more cost effective solution. Such a solution can use super critical CO2 turbines which are far cheaper than steam turbines. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:37 PM, noone noone wrote: > Rossi claims that he can produce steam up to 550C by connecting units > together. There is no reason to think he cannot produce hot enough steam to > produce electricity. Also, regardless as to the quality of this patent, what > really matters is the patent that covers the catalyst. Anyone could buy > nano-nickel powder and build what Rossi has described to us. Without the > catalyst they could not produce a significant output. > > Being nuclear devices (transmutations and low level gamma rays being > produced) the NRC may try to step in, but I think their efforts will be > futile. Hopefully, the fact cold fusion exists will make some scientists > take another look at other technologies such as those produced by Black > Light Power. The world needs those hydrino hydride compounds! > > > -- > *From:* Jones Beene > > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 5:07:53 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel > > Two messages are coming through loud and clear wrt the “big picture”… > > > > First - Rossi is getting horrendous legal advice, and the beneficiary of > that is the “rest of us”. This is no doubt the worst patent application in > memory and it follows a very good one that Rossi got when LTI paid the bill > (extremely competent, actually, which is why I am calling this one nothing > more than a joke). > > > > IOW – with an unenforceable patent as his only protection –junk really, > then Rossi will go down as a “great inventor” with big bucks in the bank > from the Greeks - and at the same time US consumers will be able to buy > these things from China for a very low cost, as space heaters, since they > are non-nuclear. > > > > Hot water and winter heating consume vast amounts of coal, the dirtiest > fuel - so even if this baby does not work on a steam cycle – we have > effectively lowered fossil fuel consumption by up to 30%. That will get back > to lower oil costs, in the end. It is the best of all scenarios. > > > > And the E-Cat might work on an organic vapor cycle (i.e. ammonia) instead > of steam, anyway. > > > > What’s not to like about that? > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From:* Roarty, Francis X > > > > So Rossi let us go ahead and think the cu was outside the SS reactor while > it was actually the sealed inner reactor filled with Ni powder and a > resistive heater. Water flows around the copper reactor inside a SS jacket. > The SS is a jacket not a reactor! See patent & drawing Jed just uploaded : > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RossiAmethodandaa.pdf > > >
Re: [Vo]:cu pipe is sealed inner reactor not Stainless steel
In reply to Drowning Trout's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 19:13:05 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Could a copper reactor tube even be able to handle the heat (1100F?) and >pressure (25 bar?) of H2? I don't think that would be an issue if the outer tubes are strong enough, since it is all of them together that would need to withstand the pressure. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
