Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-24 Thread Ronda Brown

Oh Michael,

Why is it, that I am not believing what you are saying here?
You are part of MacResolve, you registered the domain  
macresolve.com.au, you are the Mike of the Super Duo Tony  Mike  
(are you not)?


But, you say you are unaware of a huge bulk email that has been sent  
from your Tony  Mike macresolveaustra...@me.com email address.
You also say you were unaware that this bulk email constitutes  
Unsolicited Commercial eMail.
Also that you did not realise the bulk emailing of this unsolicited  
email would be considered spam/junk email??


Come on Michael, you have been involved in Business long enough to  
know that what your MacResolve has done, is Unethical, a Violation of  
Proper Business Practices, and morally wrong.


You have achieved some publicity, but I don't feel that the saying  
Any Publicity is Good Publicity will apply in your case.

This is not the way to launch a new business.

The Mac Community does not appreciate Spam or Spammers, and which ever  
way you look at this it is SPAM!


Ronni


On 24/04/2009, at 12:05 PM, Michael Waldie wrote:


Hello all,

		 First of all, yes I am a part of MacResolve and as was pointed  
out, I registered the domain for macresolve.com.au.
I did not have a part in sending the email or any of the addresses.  
I have been trying to get the name around by word of mouth in person.
Unfortunately, the last few days I have been busy with family  
commitments. This is also why I have only just replied now, once I  
had caught up with emails and seen the fuss that has been created  
here.


I have been told that there is not an email list but it was a  
collection of emails, apparently some old and some new.
I have also been told that people who did not want to be contacted  
again, will not be. The email was not intended to be spam/junk email.


While I can not change what has happened, I can understand the  
complaints.


It is correct that I am not a financial member of WAMUG but I have  
been on and off the list for quite some years.
I tried to offer assistance where I could, most of the time there  
were a lot of people who gave the advice before I could. Certainly a  
good thing that there is many people here to help each other.


If you would like me gone from the list here, I can understand.


Michael Waldie
mikewal...@mac.com
http://homepage.mac.com/mikewaldie/


On 23/04/2009, at 9:24 PM, Matthew Healey wrote:


On 23/04/2009, at 8:22 PM, James Devenish wrote:

Since Michael Waldie is subscribed to this list, might he confirm  
or deny his involvement?


Well he only joined using his current email address on the 21st of  
April...


Mike.. want to let us all know what's going on?

- Matt




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-24 Thread Les Standish

Whoops! Sorry, spelt your name wrong Ronni.
Les
On 24/04/2009, at 6:44 PM, Les Standish wrote:


Well said Ronnie.
Les Standish
On 24/04/2009, at 2:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Oh Michael,

Why is it, that I am not believing what you are saying here?
You are part of MacResolve, you registered the domain  
macresolve.com.au, you are the Mike of the Super Duo Tony  Mike  
(are you not)?


But, you say you are unaware of a huge bulk email that has been  
sent from your Tony  Mike macresolveaustra...@me.com email address.
You also say you were unaware that this bulk email constitutes  
Unsolicited Commercial eMail.
Also that you did not realise the bulk emailing of this  
unsolicited email would be considered spam/junk email??


Come on Michael, you have been involved in Business long enough to  
know that what your MacResolve has done, is Unethical, a Violation  
of Proper Business Practices, and morally wrong.


You have achieved some publicity, but I don't feel that the saying  
Any Publicity is Good Publicity will apply in your case.

This is not the way to launch a new business.

The Mac Community does not appreciate Spam or Spammers, and which  
ever way you look at this it is SPAM!


Ronni


On 24/04/2009, at 12:05 PM, Michael Waldie wrote:


Hello all,

		 First of all, yes I am a part of MacResolve and as was pointed  
out, I registered the domain for macresolve.com.au.
I did not have a part in sending the email or any of the  
addresses. I have been trying to get the name around by word of  
mouth in person.
Unfortunately, the last few days I have been busy with family  
commitments. This is also why I have only just replied now, once I  
had caught up with emails and seen the fuss that has been created  
here.


I have been told that there is not an email list but it was a  
collection of emails, apparently some old and some new.
I have also been told that people who did not want to be contacted  
again, will not be. The email was not intended to be spam/junk  
email.


While I can not change what has happened, I can understand the  
complaints.


It is correct that I am not a financial member of WAMUG but I have  
been on and off the list for quite some years.
I tried to offer assistance where I could, most of the time there  
were a lot of people who gave the advice before I could. Certainly  
a good thing that there is many people here to help each other.


If you would like me gone from the list here, I can understand.


Michael Waldie
mikewal...@mac.com
http://homepage.mac.com/mikewaldie/


On 23/04/2009, at 9:24 PM, Matthew Healey wrote:


On 23/04/2009, at 8:22 PM, James Devenish wrote:

Since Michael Waldie is subscribed to this list, might he  
confirm or deny his involvement?


Well he only joined using his current email address on the 21st  
of April...


Mike.. want to let us all know what's going on?

- Matt




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-24 Thread Les Standish

Well said Ronnie.
Les Standish
On 24/04/2009, at 2:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Oh Michael,

Why is it, that I am not believing what you are saying here?
You are part of MacResolve, you registered the domain  
macresolve.com.au, you are the Mike of the Super Duo Tony  Mike  
(are you not)?


But, you say you are unaware of a huge bulk email that has been sent  
from your Tony  Mike macresolveaustra...@me.com email address.
You also say you were unaware that this bulk email constitutes  
Unsolicited Commercial eMail.
Also that you did not realise the bulk emailing of this unsolicited  
email would be considered spam/junk email??


Come on Michael, you have been involved in Business long enough to  
know that what your MacResolve has done, is Unethical, a Violation  
of Proper Business Practices, and morally wrong.


You have achieved some publicity, but I don't feel that the saying  
Any Publicity is Good Publicity will apply in your case.

This is not the way to launch a new business.

The Mac Community does not appreciate Spam or Spammers, and which  
ever way you look at this it is SPAM!


Ronni


On 24/04/2009, at 12:05 PM, Michael Waldie wrote:


Hello all,

		 First of all, yes I am a part of MacResolve and as was pointed  
out, I registered the domain for macresolve.com.au.
I did not have a part in sending the email or any of the addresses.  
I have been trying to get the name around by word of mouth in person.
Unfortunately, the last few days I have been busy with family  
commitments. This is also why I have only just replied now, once I  
had caught up with emails and seen the fuss that has been created  
here.


I have been told that there is not an email list but it was a  
collection of emails, apparently some old and some new.
I have also been told that people who did not want to be contacted  
again, will not be. The email was not intended to be spam/junk email.


While I can not change what has happened, I can understand the  
complaints.


It is correct that I am not a financial member of WAMUG but I have  
been on and off the list for quite some years.
I tried to offer assistance where I could, most of the time there  
were a lot of people who gave the advice before I could. Certainly  
a good thing that there is many people here to help each other.


If you would like me gone from the list here, I can understand.


Michael Waldie
mikewal...@mac.com
http://homepage.mac.com/mikewaldie/


On 23/04/2009, at 9:24 PM, Matthew Healey wrote:


On 23/04/2009, at 8:22 PM, James Devenish wrote:

Since Michael Waldie is subscribed to this list, might he confirm  
or deny his involvement?


Well he only joined using his current email address on the 21st of  
April...


Mike.. want to let us all know what's going on?

- Matt




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Neil Houghton
Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their mailing list
with that address.

Cheers


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on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office address but
 not
 my personal email address!
 
 On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:
 
 Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
 email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.
 
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Jude
I'v also been hit, but I'm also on Digilife and WAMUG, so not sure 
which. Not a great way to get my custom, anyway, especially by 
telling me in the actual email that it's not spam. Um, unsolicited 
sales via email, looks like spam, smells like spam, annoys me like 
spam..


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown


On 23/04/2009, at 2:47 PM, Jude wrote:

I'v also been hit, but I'm also on Digilife and WAMUG, so not sure  
which. Not a great way to get my custom, anyway, especially by  
telling me in the actual email that it's not spam. Um, unsolicited  
sales via email, looks like spam, smells like spam, annoys me like  
spam..



You and me both Jude!
It's one sure way NOT to get my custom.

I emailed them asking  I would like to know where you got my email  
address from please.

I'm not expecting a reply.
Perhaps everyone who has received this Spam email, should reply asking  
the same question, perhaps they would then get the message We are not  
Happy!


 Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown

Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses to  
this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than  
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor will  
they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You may cancel  
your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their  
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office  
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:


Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Forsdyke
I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the address  
that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses  
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than  
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor  
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You may  
cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their  
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office  
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got  
an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread mince and pud
Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's list 
and I didn't get the spam


regards
Alastair

www.goatpix.com




On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the address 
that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses 
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than 
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor 
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You may 
cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their 
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au 
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office 
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got 
an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list 
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Eugene

Ditto

 Regards,
 Eugene


On 23/04/2009, at 5:02 PM, F.W. Hänel wrote:


I am also on the Digilife list and received the email this morning.

Cheers,

Walter


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown

Hi Daniel,

If it is ex-employee's or personnel of Digilife and they have used The  
Newsletter Mailing list to Spam us, I would suggest that they cannot  
Legally do this.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the  
address that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses  
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than  
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor  
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You  
may cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their  
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office  
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I  
got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Kerr
On 23/4/09 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:

 Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
 email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.
 
 - Matt Healey
 
 

I didn't get an email at all, and seeing as I only use wa...@mydomain I
would have known if it was from the WAMUG list for spam. And I wasn't on the
Digilife mailing list.
So wouldn't be surprised if it had come from there, seeing as DigiLife are
now closed down and maybe a couple of their techs or trainers have gone out
on their own. But I'm guessing there. :o)
(Could always all ring the mobile numbers on their website and ask where it
came from,..lol,..I'm sure that would be enough to start asking
questions,...lol) :o)

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Shay Telfer

On 23/04/2009 3:05 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


 On 23/04/2009, at 2:47 PM, Jude wrote:


 I'v also been hit, but I'm also on Digilife and WAMUG, so not sure
 which. Not a great way to get my custom, anyway, especially by telling
 me in the actual email that it's not spam. Um, unsolicited sales via
 email, looks like spam, smells like spam, annoys me like spam..



 You and me both Jude!
 It's one sure way NOT to get my custom.

 I emailed them asking I would like to know where you got my email
 address from please.
 I'm not expecting a reply.
 Perhaps everyone who has received this Spam email, should reply asking
 the same question, perhaps they would then get the message We are not
 Happy!

 Cheers,
 Ronni


Of course if you've been a customer of them in the past and they 
consider you to have a 'strong business relationship' with them and 
you haven't opted out of this then it's probably not considered spam 
as there's inferred consent:


HTTP://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310572

There doesn't seem to be a time limit on how old this relationship is 
of course... Also not sure what happens if the list is sold off as 
part of a company's assets...


If they'd harvested the WAMUG list then of course that would be 
another matter, but without proof...


Otherwise, complaints and enquires can be lodged with ACMA:

http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_2008

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread David Moyle
With you on that one Alastair!

Sounds like I was one of the lucky ones!
Digilife.. Are they going completely under or just in receivership for a period 
of time?

Cheers
- Original Message -
From: mince and pud minceand...@goatpix.com
To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
Sent: Thursday, 23 April, 2009 5:03:50 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong 
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Re: MacResolve Spam

Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's list 
and I didn't get the spam

regards
Alastair

www.goatpix.com




On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

 I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the address 
 that was used for this.

 Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

 Regards
 Daniel Forsdyke

 On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:

 Hi Neil  Others,

 If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses 
 to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than 
 Receivership.

 http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
 Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor 
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 Cheers,
 Ronni

 On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:

 Hi

 Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their 
 mailing list
 with that address.

 Cheers


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 wrote:

 Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office 
 address but
 not
 my personal email address!

 On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

 Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got 
 an
 email from them and would like to see where they got their list 
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread F.W. Hänel

I am also on the Digilife list and received the email this morning.

Cheers,

Walter
On 23/04/2009, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the  
address that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses  
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than  
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor  
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You  
may cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their  
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office  
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I  
got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Malcolm Burtenshaw


Intermatron detective to the rescue.

The macresolve.com.au domain registration shows:

Registrant Contact Name
Michael Waldie

Oh look what we have here? May I partake?

http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg45002.html

A We at digilife labelled email from Michael Waldie to the list?

Uh oh! Spaghetti-os!

Dodgy bastards are using the Digilife mailing list to springboard a  
new Mac business. And they would have gotten away with it if not for  
us meddling mailing list members.


Happy to help.

Mal

On 23/04/2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:


On 23/4/09 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:


Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.

- Matt Healey




I didn't get an email at all, and seeing as I only use  
wa...@mydomain I
would have known if it was from the WAMUG list for spam. And I  
wasn't on the

Digilife mailing list.
So wouldn't be surprised if it had come from there, seeing as  
DigiLife are
now closed down and maybe a couple of their techs or trainers have  
gone out

on their own. But I'm guessing there. :o)
(Could always all ring the mobile numbers on their website and ask  
where it

came from,..lol,..I'm sure that would be enough to start asking
questions,...lol) :o)

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Martin Sulkowski

I'm only on the WAMUG list and didn't receive anything
Martin
On 23/04/2009, at 5:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Daniel,

If it is ex-employee's or personnel of Digilife and they have used  
The Newsletter Mailing list to Spam us, I would suggest that they  
cannot Legally do this.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 4:58 PM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the  
address that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email  
addresses to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more  
trouble than Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor  
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You  
may cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their  
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au  
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my  
office address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I  
got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their  
list from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown

Well done Malcolm,

What we do with this information is up to us!
I for one will be pursuing it ... I do not like my email address being  
exploited by Spammers.

As I said before:

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses to  
this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than  
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor will  
they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You may cancel  
your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 6:28 PM, Malcolm Burtenshaw wrote:

Oh and if you find this as abhorrent as I do please complain at this  
address:


http://www.acma.gov.au/interforms/spam_complaint_email.asp

Make sure to log it as a complaint so that they investigate it  
rather than adding it to the pile.


Mal

On 23/04/2009, at 6:19 PM, Malcolm Burtenshaw wrote:



Intermatron detective to the rescue.

The macresolve.com.au domain registration shows:

Registrant Contact Name
Michael Waldie

Oh look what we have here? May I partake?

http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg45002.html

A We at digilife labelled email from Michael Waldie to the list?

Uh oh! Spaghetti-os!

Dodgy bastards are using the Digilife mailing list to springboard a  
new Mac business. And they would have gotten away with it if not  
for us meddling mailing list members.


Happy to help.

Mal

On 23/04/2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:


On 23/4/09 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got  
an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




I didn't get an email at all, and seeing as I only use  
wa...@mydomain I
would have known if it was from the WAMUG list for spam. And I  
wasn't on the

Digilife mailing list.
So wouldn't be surprised if it had come from there, seeing as  
DigiLife are
now closed down and maybe a couple of their techs or trainers have  
gone out

on their own. But I'm guessing there. :o)
(Could always all ring the mobile numbers on their website and ask  
where it

came from,..lol,..I'm sure that would be enough to start asking
questions,...lol) :o)

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Malcolm Burtenshaw
Oh and if you find this as abhorrent as I do please complain at this  
address:


http://www.acma.gov.au/interforms/spam_complaint_email.asp

Make sure to log it as a complaint so that they investigate it rather  
than adding it to the pile.


Mal

On 23/04/2009, at 6:19 PM, Malcolm Burtenshaw wrote:



Intermatron detective to the rescue.

The macresolve.com.au domain registration shows:

Registrant Contact Name
Michael Waldie

Oh look what we have here? May I partake?

http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg45002.html

A We at digilife labelled email from Michael Waldie to the list?

Uh oh! Spaghetti-os!

Dodgy bastards are using the Digilife mailing list to springboard a  
new Mac business. And they would have gotten away with it if not for  
us meddling mailing list members.


Happy to help.

Mal

On 23/04/2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:


On 23/4/09 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:


Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




I didn't get an email at all, and seeing as I only use  
wa...@mydomain I
would have known if it was from the WAMUG list for spam. And I  
wasn't on the

Digilife mailing list.
So wouldn't be surprised if it had come from there, seeing as  
DigiLife are
now closed down and maybe a couple of their techs or trainers have  
gone out

on their own. But I'm guessing there. :o)
(Could always all ring the mobile numbers on their website and ask  
where it

came from,..lol,..I'm sure that would be enough to start asking
questions,...lol) :o)

Hope that helps.

Kind Regards
Daniel
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread James Devenish
Hi,

I don't think it's the WAMUG list OR the DigiLife newsletter list per se.

Following from Daniel and Malcolm B's contributions, I have been using
this address (Gmail) for WAMUG since 2005 and I did NOT receive the
SPAM here.

The common denominator and most likely suspect seems to be Digilife,
but NOT their newsletter, as I have never been subscribed to their
newsletter yet I received the spam. I have only ever bought
off-the-shelf accessories from Digilife and never used them for
service. The only way they could have had my old address (from five
years ago) is if I'd filled out a survey or competition several years
ago. Perhaps MacResolve scraped Digilife's customer database (rather
than the newsletter list). Maybe (as Shay pointed out), this is a
tactic to claim a 'strong business relationship' with us. But in my
case, filling out a survey does not count! Since Michael Waldie is
subscribed to this list, might he confirm or deny his involvement?

James

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Healey

On 23/04/2009, at 8:22 PM, James Devenish wrote:

Since Michael Waldie is subscribed to this list, might he confirm or  
deny his involvement?


Well he only joined using his current email address on the 21st of  
April...


Mike.. want to let us all know what's going on?

- Matt


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Barb Zahari

Ditto .. no Digilife, no spam ...

BarbZ


On 23 Apr 2009, at 5:03 PM, mince and pud wrote:
Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's list 
and I didn't get the spam


regards
Alastair

www.goatpix.com




On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the 
address that was used for this.


Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses 
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than 
Receivership.


http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor 
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You may 
cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their 
mailing list

with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au 
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office 
address but

not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got 
an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list 
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Malcolm McCallum

I am not on digilife's list and got no spam

Mac
On 23/04/2009, at 5:37 PM, Chris Burton wrote:


Ditto for me on the control, I have not received any spam from them

regards to all

chris


On 23/04/2009, at 5:19 PM, David Moyle wrote:


With you on that one Alastair!

Sounds like I was one of the lucky ones!
Digilife.. Are they going completely under or just in receivership  
for a period of time?


Cheers
- Original Message -
From: mince and pud minceand...@goatpix.com
To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
Sent: Thursday, 23 April, 2009 5:03:50 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing /  
Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi

Subject: Re: MacResolve Spam

Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's list
and I didn't get the spam

regards
Alastair

www.goatpix.com




On 23 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:

I was Digilife's mailing list as well, and it was probably the  
address

that was used for this.

Could it be some recently ex-employee's setting up own business?

Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 16:54, Ronda Brown ro...@wn.com.au wrote:


Hi Neil  Others,

If it proves to be Digilife that has given/sold our email addresses
to this MacResolve, they could find themselves in more trouble than
Receivership.

http://www.digilife.com.au/newsletter.html
Your contact details will not be given to any other company, nor
will they be used for any purpose other than our newsletter. You  
may

cancel your subscription to our newsletter at any time.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 2:00 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


Hi

Digilife could also be the connection for me - I was on their
mailing list
with that address.

Cheers


Neil
--
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 23/4/09 1:43 PM, rkor...@iinet.net.au at rkor...@iinet.net.au
wrote:


Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office
address but
not
my personal email address!

On Thu Apr 23 12:22 , Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com sent:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I  
got

an
email from them and would like to see where they got their list
from.

- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Hinchliffe


On 23/04/2009, at 5:03 PM, mince and pud wrote:

Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's list  
and I didn't get the spam


regards
Alastair




Same here...

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown



On 23/04/2009, at 5:17 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:



Of course if you've been a customer of them in the past and they  
consider you to have a 'strong business relationship' with them and  
you haven't opted out of this then it's probably not considered spam  
as there's inferred consent:


HTTP://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310572


Hello Shay,

I'm aware of Inferred Consent , but I have never purchased anything  
from Digilife or had any association with them other than receiving a  
couple of their Newsletters. I cannot remember subscribing to their  
Newsletters but I will accept that perhaps I did.


There is no way Inferred Consent could be interpreted in this  
situation.


If recipients don’t object, is that consent?
No, silence does not constitute consent. Just because a person does  
not actively unsubscribe from your mailing list does not mean they  
consent to receiving commercial electronic messages from you. You must  
have either express or inferred consent before you send such messages.


This email from MacResolve is Unethical to say the least, and the  
legalities are suspect. Certainly not the right way to start a business.


Cheers,

Ronni






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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown

Yes Rod,

The ACMA have been notified and are interested in this.

To think that a subscriber to WAMUG Mailing list (probably not a paid  
member) may be involved in this unethical situation is abhorring to me.


Would our paid up  Corporate Members of WAMUG  (the likes of Daniel  
Kerry MacWizardry, Matt Healey and numerous others) ever stoop to  
sending any one of us an unsolicited email ... NEVER!

Their Business Ethics and morals are above reproach.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/04/2009, at 8:51 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:



Seems like WAMUGgers weren't the only ones to get hit:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1165790

(Its on the second page about the spam)

I'd say the emails weren't scraped from WAMUG, but from somewhere  
else.


And I see Macresolve have already endeared themselves to the  
Whirlpool community..


And if it did come from Digilife's customer databases, I'm sure the  
receivers would be very interested to know who scraped it.  Scraping  
company data then using it for your own personal gain is a big no no!


Seeya

Rod!


On Friday, April 24, 2009, at 09:32AM, Ronda Brown  
ro...@wn.com.au wrote:



On 23/04/2009, at 5:17 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:



Of course if you've been a customer of them in the past and they
consider you to have a 'strong business relationship' with them and
you haven't opted out of this then it's probably not considered spam
as there's inferred consent:

HTTP://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310572


Hello Shay,

I'm aware of Inferred Consent , but I have never purchased anything
from Digilife or had any association with them other than receiving a
couple of their Newsletters. I cannot remember subscribing to their
Newsletters but I will accept that perhaps I did.

There is no way Inferred Consent could be interpreted in this
situation.

If recipients don’t object, is that consent?
No, silence does not constitute consent. Just because a person does
not actively unsubscribe from your mailing list does not mean they
consent to receiving commercial electronic messages from you. You  
must
have either express or inferred consent before you send such  
messages.


This email from MacResolve is Unethical to say the least, and the
legalities are suspect. Certainly not the right way to start a  
business.


Cheers,

Ronni



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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown
Sorry Daniel ;-( ... you know I must be upset to type your name  
incorrectly.



Kerry


Ronni

On 24/04/2009, at 9:09 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Yes Rod,

The ACMA have been notified and are interested in this.

To think that a subscriber to WAMUG Mailing list (probably not a  
paid member) may be involved in this unethical situation is  
abhorring to me.


Would our paid up  Corporate Members of WAMUG  (the likes of  
Daniel Kerry MacWizardry, Matt Healey and numerous others) ever  
stoop to sending any one of us an unsolicited email ... NEVER!

Their Business Ethics and morals are above reproach.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 24/04/2009, at 8:51 AM, Rod Lavington wrote:



Seems like WAMUGgers weren't the only ones to get hit:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1165790

(Its on the second page about the spam)

I'd say the emails weren't scraped from WAMUG, but from somewhere  
else.


And I see Macresolve have already endeared themselves to the  
Whirlpool community..


And if it did come from Digilife's customer databases, I'm sure the  
receivers would be very interested to know who scraped it.   
Scraping company data then using it for your own personal gain is a  
big no no!


Seeya

Rod!


On Friday, April 24, 2009, at 09:32AM, Ronda Brown  
ro...@wn.com.au wrote:



On 23/04/2009, at 5:17 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:



Of course if you've been a customer of them in the past and they
consider you to have a 'strong business relationship' with them and
you haven't opted out of this then it's probably not considered  
spam

as there's inferred consent:

HTTP://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310572


Hello Shay,

I'm aware of Inferred Consent , but I have never purchased  
anything
from Digilife or had any association with them other than  
receiving a

couple of their Newsletters. I cannot remember subscribing to their
Newsletters but I will accept that perhaps I did.

There is no way Inferred Consent could be interpreted in this
situation.

If recipients don’t object, is that consent?
No, silence does not constitute consent. Just because a person does
not actively unsubscribe from your mailing list does not mean they
consent to receiving commercial electronic messages from you. You  
must
have either express or inferred consent before you send such  
messages.


This email from MacResolve is Unethical to say the least, and the
legalities are suspect. Certainly not the right way to start a  
business.


Cheers,

Ronni



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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread John Thompson

Likewise.
On 24/04/2009, at 8:31 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:



On 23/04/2009, at 5:03 PM, mince and pud wrote:

Just as a 'control' in this experiment - I wasn't on digilife's  
list and I didn't get the spam


regards
Alastair




Same here...

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Ronda Brown

Hey Malcolm,

Looks like they have also copied this guys Rate Sheet and the name  
MacResolve.

http://www.macresolve.com/
Look at his Rate Sheet and look at http://www.macresolve.com.au/   
Information Sheet and Rates ??


macresolve.com is registered to Race Owen an American working in  
Hollywood.


Boy, these MacResolve (Australia), guys are becoming murkier  I  
think they have Shot Themselves In The Foot!


Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 6:19 PM, Malcolm Burtenshaw wrote:



Intermatron detective to the rescue.

The macresolve.com.au domain registration shows:

Registrant Contact Name
Michael Waldie

Oh look what we have here? May I partake?

http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg45002.html

A We at digilife labelled email from Michael Waldie to the list?

Uh oh! Spaghetti-os!

Dodgy bastards are using the Digilife mailing list to springboard a  
new Mac business. And they would have gotten away with it if not for  
us meddling mailing list members.


Happy to help.

Mal




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Michael Waldie

Hello all,

		 First of all, yes I am a part of MacResolve and as was pointed out,  
I registered the domain for macresolve.com.au.
I did not have a part in sending the email or any of the addresses. I  
have been trying to get the name around by word of mouth in person.
Unfortunately, the last few days I have been busy with family  
commitments. This is also why I have only just replied now, once I had  
caught up with emails and seen the fuss that has been created here.


I have been told that there is not an email list but it was a  
collection of emails, apparently some old and some new.
I have also been told that people who did not want to be contacted  
again, will not be. The email was not intended to be spam/junk email.


While I can not change what has happened, I can understand the  
complaints.


It is correct that I am not a financial member of WAMUG but I have  
been on and off the list for quite some years.
I tried to offer assistance where I could, most of the time there were  
a lot of people who gave the advice before I could. Certainly a good  
thing that there is many people here to help each other.


If you would like me gone from the list here, I can understand.


Michael Waldie
mikewal...@mac.com
http://homepage.mac.com/mikewaldie/


On 23/04/2009, at 9:24 PM, Matthew Healey wrote:


On 23/04/2009, at 8:22 PM, James Devenish wrote:

Since Michael Waldie is subscribed to this list, might he confirm  
or deny his involvement?


Well he only joined using his current email address on the 21st of  
April...


Mike.. want to let us all know what's going on?

- Matt


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-23 Thread Alexia Langley
FYI

I've never been on the DigiLife mailing list however used to deal with
them regularly a few years ago.

I received the email and didn't really bother to read it because it
looked like spam! 



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MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Healey
Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an  
email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.


- Matt Healey


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Daniel Forsdyke

Yes I did as well.
It went to the address I used to use for WAMUG, but changed mid-late  
last year.


Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 12:22, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:

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email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Jane Griffiths


Me too,  but not the email address that i use for WAMUG or for most of  
my Mac related communications. It did puzzle me as to where they  
sourced my particular email address.


I wondered whether DigiLife was possibly the connection in my case but  
that is just conjecture.


Jane.

On 23/04/2009, at 12:25 PM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:


Yes I did as well.
It went to the address I used to use for WAMUG, but changed mid-late  
last year.


Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 12:22, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got  
an email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Ronda Brown

Hi Matt,

Me too, and it is the address I use for WAMUG Mailing list.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 23/04/2009, at 12:36 PM, Jane Griffiths wrote:


Me too,  but not the email address that i use for WAMUG or for most  
of my Mac related communications. It did puzzle me as to where they  
sourced my particular email address.


I wondered whether DigiLife was possibly the connection in my case  
but that is just conjecture.


Jane.

On 23/04/2009, at 12:25 PM, Daniel Forsdyke wrote:


Yes I did as well.
It went to the address I used to use for WAMUG, but changed mid- 
late last year.


Regards
Daniel Forsdyke

On 23/04/2009, at 12:22, Matthew Healey mat...@mac.com wrote:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got  
an email from them and would like to see where they got their list  
from.


- Matt Healey




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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Neil Houghton
Me too

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on 23/4/09 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey at mat...@mac.com wrote:

 Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an
 email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.
 
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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Susan Hastings

Yea, happened to me, too.
On 23/04/2009, at 12:22 PM, Matthew Healey wrote:

Did anyone else get spammed by Tony  Mike from MacResolve? I got an  
email from them and would like to see where they got their list from.


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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread James Devenish
Hi,

Mine came through to an address that I have not used since 2004 or
2005. The address is not currently associated with any mailing lists
or online stores, so Tony  Mike must have used a  spam list that is
several years old. It *does* seem to be specifically targeted to Mac
users and not others, so it could logically have come from a breach of
an old mailing list or sales list from several years ago...

James.

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread rkor...@iinet.net.au
I also got it but to my Office address!!!

Roger


On Thu Apr 23 13:32 , James Devenish jndeven...@gmail.com sent:

Hi,

Mine came through to an address that I have not used since 2004 or
2005. The address is not currently associated with any mailing lists
or online stores, so Tony  Mike must have used a  spam list that is
several years old. It *does* seem to be specifically targeted to Mac
users and not others, so it could logically have come from a breach of
an old mailing list or sales list from several years ago...

James.

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread rkor...@iinet.net.au
Digilife could be the connection as they would have had my office address but 
not
my personal email address!

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Re: MacResolve Spam

2009-04-22 Thread Neil Houghton
It can't just be an old list as mine came to an address on a domain I didn't
register till 2007 - but it IS my WAMUG list address.


Cheers


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 Hi,
 
 Mine came through to an address that I have not used since 2004 or
 2005. The address is not currently associated with any mailing lists
 or online stores, so Tony  Mike must have used a  spam list that is
 several years old. It *does* seem to be specifically targeted to Mac
 users and not others, so it could logically have come from a breach of
 an old mailing list or sales list from several years ago...
 
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