Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Greg Pennefather]

Diana

If you're buying a new printer then get one with an inbuilt Ethernet port.
These all support IP printing as do OS 9 and OS X.  If your chosen printer
only has a USB port then also get a USB print server (a Netcomm USB print
server will set you back another $150 or so) and again these all support IP
printing.  No need to worry about Appletalk - besides, it is a protocol used
less and less and equipment vendors are tending to drop support for it.

Sorry if my previous explanation went over your head - I'll try again.
Basically, the switch on your G604T and the wireless part appear to be
separate networks although they are in the same device.  So they would (if
my assumption is correct) have different IP address ranges (or subnets) -
the same applies for Appletalk (cable range instead of subnet).  So, to get
traffic between these 2 networks you need a router but in doing so all
broadcast traffic, like that used to advertise the presence of printers, is
blocked and usually can't be forwarded - that's the whole idea of a router.
Whereas the switch ports are all on the same network and broadcasts travel
freely between them all.

So, a switch will allow Appletalk to go to all ports.  But a router will
only forward protocols it supports - in the case of SOHO routers that is
only IP.  So Appletalk will be dropped.

I don't imagine your Ethernet/Localtalk bridge will support IP printing so
you're stuck with Appletalk if you want to use it.  A USB print server or an
inbuilt Ethernet port will support IP but not Appletalk.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Greg


> From: Diana & Graham Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:51:24 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless
> 
> Just found Mark & Greg's contributions
> 
> Mark wrote:
>> assign an IP address to the printer (though it may already picking
>> it up from the router via DHCP if so configured - best to make it
>> static though)
>> 
>> find "desktop printer utility" in classic app utilities folder and
>> use that to set up a tcp/ip printer connection
> 
> With the LinkSys router the Printer was always listed with an IP
> address but it does not show up in the list for the DSL router.
> 
> I shall try assigning a static IP address to the printer later, have
> to go out now and try out a new printer. The Typhoon is about on its
> last legs and no longer repairable and I am ambivalent about spending
> more money on the LaserJet.
> 
> Greg wrote:
>> It sounds like you router is routing between the switch ports and the
>> wireless interface.  Plenty of wireless access points with inbuilt switches
>> just switch between the switch ports and the wireless.
>> 
>> If this is true, then as others have pointed out, the routing software on
>> the G604T would need to specifically route Appletalk - unfortunately not
>> something most consumer grade routers do, they only route IP.  However, if
>> you connect to a switch port you shouldn't have any problems.
>> 
>> A little strange that Dlink route between the switch and the wireless as
>> that would be a little more expensive than just switching.
> 
> This is a bit over my head but I shall read it again later when I
> have more time.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for being so helpful, it is a great list.
> 
> Diana
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Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Just found Mark & Greg's contributions

Mark wrote:
assign an IP address to the printer (though it may already picking 
it up from the router via DHCP if so configured - best to make it 
static though)


find "desktop printer utility" in classic app utilities folder and 
use that to set up a tcp/ip printer connection


With the LinkSys router the Printer was always listed with an IP 
address but it does not show up in the list for the DSL router.


I shall try assigning a static IP address to the printer later, have 
to go out now and try out a new printer. The Typhoon is about on its 
last legs and no longer repairable and I am ambivalent about spending 
more money on the LaserJet.


Greg wrote:

It sounds like you router is routing between the switch ports and the
wireless interface.  Plenty of wireless access points with inbuilt switches
just switch between the switch ports and the wireless.

If this is true, then as others have pointed out, the routing software on
the G604T would need to specifically route Appletalk - unfortunately not
something most consumer grade routers do, they only route IP.  However, if
you connect to a switch port you shouldn't have any problems.

A little strange that Dlink route between the switch and the wireless as
that would be a little more expensive than just switching.


This is a bit over my head but I shall read it again later when I 
have more time.


Thanks to everyone for being so helpful, it is a great list.

Diana

Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Shay said:

Sounds like your wireless router isn't forwarding AppleTalk packets.


Rod said:
Aaahh, that's because your wireless router does not support 
Appletalk/Appleshare.  The IP stuff is fine, as it is an industry 
standard.  Appletalk is a unique piece of Apple software,  and 
sounds like it is unsupported by the wireless component of your 
router.


And
Well, I think that is the case :-)  Might be as Shay said, the 
wireless part is not forwarding the Appletalk packets.


How do I find out what is what?

In the old days of the LinkSys router I could print via wireless from 
the Toshiba Laptop to the Typhoon connected to it via the 
Ethernet/LocalTalk bridge.


Then the bridge apparently gave out and we could not print (in fact 
it was probably because we bought the new router).


So we bought a second hand LaserJet MV4. I could still print via 
wireless from the iBook (I don't know if I printed from Classic at 
that stage) but I could no longer print from the PC. I was told this 
was because Windows XP could not use AppleTalk.


It was assumed that previously I was printing from the PC to the 
Typhoon via TCP-IP (Typhoon must have TCP-IP turned on by default). I 
tried to turn on TCP-IP on the LaserJet but I could not make it save 
the settings and I could not find the correct instruction manual (the 
printer manual does not include the optional features). At this time 
the LaserJet developed a fault, it thinks there is a paper jam. I did 
not think it worth fixing and decided to buy a new bridge and use the 
Typhoon again. But the guys at Computer Trade Centre said the bridge 
was working, it just would not talk to the router, hence the old hub 
inserted between the two.


I do not understand what is going on and we are about to buy a new 
Printer so I need help. I just want a system that works so I can get 
on and use it!


I would happily pay an expert to come and sort it out for me. Please 
recommend someone.


Diana

Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Greg Pennefather]

It sounds like you router is routing between the switch ports and the
wireless interface.  Plenty of wireless access points with inbuilt switches
just switch between the switch ports and the wireless.

If this is true, then as others have pointed out, the routing software on
the G604T would need to specifically route Appletalk - unfortunately not
something most consumer grade routers do, they only route IP.  However, if
you connect to a switch port you shouldn't have any problems.

A little strange that Dlink route between the switch and the wireless as
that would be a little more expensive than just switching.

Sorry it's not a solution but at least it's an explanation.

Regards

Greg


> From: Diana & Graham Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:35:26 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Printing in Classic via Wireless
> 
> I find I can't print in Classic from the iBook via wireless. It will
> print via wireless in OSX.
> 
> The set-up is a bit complicated. The iBook is connected via wireless
> to the DSL-G604T router.
> 
> The DataProducts Typhoon 8 is connected to a LocalTalk/Ethernet
> Interface which is connected to a NetGear EN104 Hub, which is
> connected to the DSL-G604T router.
> 
> The printer will not work if connected directly to the router.
> 
> My question:
> 
> Is it impossible to print in Classic from the iBook via Wireless or
> is it just my strange set up?
> 
> I thought I had printed via Wireless from the iBook in OS9 and/or
> Classic when we had a LinkSys Router which would talk to the
> LocalTalk interface, but maybe I  am mistaken.
> 
> Diana
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Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Mark Secker]

assign an IP address to the printer (though it may already picking it 
up from the router via DHCP if so configured - best to make it static 
though)


find "desktop printer utility" in classic app utilities folder and 
use that to set up a tcp/ip printer connection


I find I can't print in Classic from the iBook via wireless. It will 
print via wireless in OSX.


The set-up is a bit complicated. The iBook is connected via wireless 
to the DSL-G604T router.


The DataProducts Typhoon 8 is connected to a LocalTalk/Ethernet 
Interface which is connected to a NetGear EN104 Hub, which is 
connected to the DSL-G604T router.


The printer will not work if connected directly to the router.

My question:

Is it impossible to print in Classic from the iBook via Wireless or 
is it just my strange set up?


I thought I had printed via Wireless from the iBook in OS9 and/or 
Classic when we had a LinkSys Router which would talk to the 
LocalTalk interface, but maybe I  am mistaken.


Diana

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Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Rod]

On 12/04/2005, at 12:06 PM, Rod wrote:



On 12/04/2005, at 11:56 AM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:


Hi Rod

Have you set up the Classic side drivers for the Typhoon?  Even 
though you are running Classic, the printing structures of OS 9 and 
OS X are entirely different and separate (unlike networking). Seeing 
as it is a localtalk printer, does it appear when you click on the 
Laserwriter 8 icon in the Chooser?  Does the printer appear when you 
directly connect the printer (via localtalk box) to the iBook?


I assume all is well, if I connect the iBook via Ethernet to the 
router it prints in Classic.


But in Classic via Wireless you can't see the printer in Chooser. Nor 
can you see the other computers on the network via AppleShare though 
you can connect to them by typing the IP address in the box in 
Chooser.




Aaahh, that's because your wireless router does not support 
Appletalk/Appleshare.  The IP stuff is fine, as it is an industry 
standard.  Appletalk is a unique piece of Apple software,  and sounds 
like it is unsupported by the wireless component of your router.



Well, I think that is the case :-)  Might be as Shay said, the wireless 
part is not forwarding the Appletalk packets.


Seeya

Rod!

Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Shay Telfer]

I assume all is well, if I connect the iBook via Ethernet to the 
router it prints in Classic.


But in Classic via Wireless you can't see the printer in Chooser. 
Nor can you see the other computers on the network via AppleShare 
though you can connect to them by typing the IP address in the box 
in Chooser.


A similar thing happens when I connect my old G3 PowerBook running 
8.6 to the router via Ethernet, can't print or see the other 
computers but can connect to them via IP address. [I use the 
PowerBook as it has a floppy drive and I still collect family 
history information via floppy!]


Sounds like your wireless router isn't forwarding AppleTalk packets.

Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Rod]

On 12/04/2005, at 11:56 AM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:


Hi Rod

Have you set up the Classic side drivers for the Typhoon?  Even 
though you are running Classic, the printing structures of OS 9 and 
OS X are entirely different and separate (unlike networking). Seeing 
as it is a localtalk printer, does it appear when you click on the 
Laserwriter 8 icon in the Chooser?  Does the printer appear when you 
directly connect the printer (via localtalk box) to the iBook?


I assume all is well, if I connect the iBook via Ethernet to the 
router it prints in Classic.


But in Classic via Wireless you can't see the printer in Chooser. Nor 
can you see the other computers on the network via AppleShare though 
you can connect to them by typing the IP address in the box in 
Chooser.




Aaahh, that's because your wireless router does not support 
Appletalk/Appleshare.  The IP stuff is fine, as it is an industry 
standard.  Appletalk is a unique piece of Apple software,  and sounds 
like it is unsupported by the wireless component of your router.


Seeya

Rod!

Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Diana & Graham Stevens]

Hi Rod

Have you set up the Classic side drivers for the Typhoon?  Even 
though you are running Classic, the printing structures of OS 9 and 
OS X are entirely different and separate (unlike networking). 
Seeing as it is a localtalk printer, does it appear when you click 
on the Laserwriter 8 icon in the Chooser?  Does the printer appear 
when you directly connect the printer (via localtalk box) to the 
iBook?


I assume all is well, if I connect the iBook via Ethernet to the 
router it prints in Classic.


But in Classic via Wireless you can't see the printer in Chooser. Nor 
can you see the other computers on the network via AppleShare though 
you can connect to them by typing the IP address in the box in 
Chooser.


A similar thing happens when I connect my old G3 PowerBook running 
8.6 to the router via Ethernet, can't print or see the other 
computers but can connect to them via IP address. [I use the 
PowerBook as it has a floppy drive and I still collect family history 
information via floppy!]


Thanks for your help, Diana

Re: Printing in Classic via Wireless

[Rod]

On 12/04/2005, at 11:35 AM, Diana & Graham Stevens wrote:

I find I can't print in Classic from the iBook via wireless. It will 
print via wireless in OSX.


The set-up is a bit complicated. The iBook is connected via wireless 
to the DSL-G604T router.


The DataProducts Typhoon 8 is connected to a LocalTalk/Ethernet 
Interface which is connected to a NetGear EN104 Hub, which is 
connected to the DSL-G604T router.



Hi Diana,

Have you set up the Classic side drivers for the Typhoon?  Even though 
you are running Classic, the printing structures of OS 9 and OS X are 
entirely different and separate (unlike networking).  Seeing as it is a 
localtalk printer, does it appear when you click on the Laserwriter 8 
icon in the Chooser?  Does the printer appear when you directly connect 
the printer (via localtalk box) to the iBook?


Seeya

Rod!